Why I’m Buying Bonds
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- 2022 has seen one of the worst bond crash ever, and it’s interesting that when this happens to equity people say you should buy it because it’s a bargain, but you never hear that about bonds. In this video, I take a look at what’s been happening to government bonds, I also discuss whether now is a good time to buy bonds or not and then finish off by showing you what I'm doing in my own “fun” portfolio.
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00:00 Introduction
00:29 Reasons
01:29 Bond Losses
07:27 Recession
09:39 Higher Yield Now
11:30 Sticky Inflation
13:25 Growth Suprise
15:20 What I'm Doing
16:47 Conclusion
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This 77yrs old investor advises.... Use pound cost averaging, ignore rises and falls, let the dividends roll up, avoid high commission charges like the Covid, buy funds only, unless you have insider knowledge.
Finally, mix equity funds, bond funds, commodity funds.
Do not trust newspaper 'experts'.
Agree completely!
I put 20% of my pension into bond ETFs before the US CPI data release. They went up 1% whilst the S&P dropped 5%.
Also, got in just before distribution date.
Glad I watched this video.
I bet your'e not glad you watched it now...
@@arturo468 why is that? I sold them for a profit.
Listened to this great video again. Decided to buy a one month T Bill directly. The payout is reasonable and I can repeat for as long as the rate stays decent.
This is the best analysis better than fund managers I had been listened on the media for months. Thank you so much
thanks - I am glad you found it helpful @Khammarut Chaimongkon
Thank you! Very interesting. Be sure to try the methods.
Glad you enjoyed it @Douglas Strong
Thanks for a great video!
Question: Why do people or institutions invest in long government bonds in times when the yield is very low? Which means that the price of the bond is very high. And if the interest rate rises, the price of the bond falls. It's more likely that the yield/interest rate will increase over time and lower the bond's value. So, what is the incentive to invest in times like this? For example, if banks invest in long term government bonds with low yield that will lead to a mismatch in duration between borrowing and lending.
And How can banks hedge against higher interest rates without selling their long-term government bonds and make a loss? We have seen recent example of this regarding SVB, Silicon Valley Bank and Signature bank.
Thanks, Ramin. Another great video. This is really helpful.
My pleasure @msprinz100
Hi what broker will you recomend to buy bonds?
👍Updates on bonds would be interesting. Most people expect a US recession so bonds are now interesting.😊
Another great video, thanks Ramin!
Glad you enjoyed it @IBBarochia
Thanks for the video. I'd be curious to hear a 6 month update (or maybe you've made one but I couldnt' find it?). Did you keep your bonds? TLT seems to bottomed in November and would have been another whopping 20% drop...almost 30% for 2022!
Aged like Milk
Looks like yet another disastrous recommendation to me.
Good work. Thank you
Thank you too @Gurbachan Singh
@PensionCraft, What kind of bonds to invest as retiree? thanks
Great Vid, very well explained, wish I'd seen this two years ago. Thank-you.
Glad you enjoyed it @D Smith
Lucid, calm, rational as always. Love this chanel 💕
Thank you @James S
It is indeed a lovely fragrance.
@@wolfiestreet6899 lol. . OK channel. 👍
So it seems uncertain how bonds perform when faced with stagflation?
This was a great video.
Glad you enjoyed it @Rinaldo Merlo
For year and years, I lost shorting the stock market. Last fall I finally gave up and switched to buying bonds. The bad luck continues.
You got in too early. Should have got in when Ramin did. I got in this week and am now down
@@voice.of.reason did you buy TLT?
Way too nearly. Yields goings to 8% imo
@@voice.of.reason this aged horribly
Title of this video is wrong. You are buying bond etf not bonds. There is a difference between these two. Bond etf has nothing to do with fixed income and can fluctuate a lot (depending on duration). We've had unpleasant example of this fluctuation recently. Buying actual bonds directly is a fixed, guaranteed income investment but good luck in getting those if you are a retail investor based in UK.
What about corporate bonds? Is it time to buy them too? Or they are gonna be falling because of the recession increase the probability of default?
Thanks ramin, your analysis is always brilliant and loaded with facts
My pleasure @Discombobulated
I'm on the opposite side of the fence to you, still holding TLT shorts because:,
1. Inflation is sticky (low supply due to supply disruptions in many sectors i.e food, energy, chip shortages, labour, china lockdowns etc, and employment and wage growth, fiscal policy causing high demand) which could mean need for much high nominal rates if Fed is serious about reducing inflation to 2%. I don't think the inflation readings will start to come down for some time, and rates could rise significantly in every FOMC meeting.
2. The FED isn't buying bonds anymore. Can private investors really sustain similar price levels to when the FED was an active participant in the bond market? There's much less liquidity now.
Did you close your short?
@@bspiderm yeah I sold the TLT shorts maybe 1 month ago? At 114
Honestly despite that comment Ramin kind of spooked me with this video 🤣🤣 I bought the put options at 144 around April time so they did well.
Not all good news though, also had some SPY put options which are not exactly printing right now haha. Expire in December though
@@FamilyFinancialCoach are you gonna short TLT again or no? TLT is crashing back down lately
It would be interesting to see how these bond buying recommendations have fared over the last year - not too well I suspect.
An understatement. Inflation has ravaged them
The horror show continues
Hi Ramin, thank you for a lot of great content - very educative.
Can you explain difference between buying bonds using ETFs (e.g. some vanguard ones like VGOV) and buying bonds directly from government. Is it correct to say that buying bonds using ETFs is driven by supply and demand and price movement of the ETF while buying directly from government gives a guaranteed income? Can an individual buy bonds directly from the government (in the UK)?
Following..
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You can buy bonds directly from a bank, eg 1 year fixed return bond, 2 yr etc. The 1yr rate is getting up to about 3.75% at the moment.
good question....would love the answer!!
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Many municipal bonds are also tax free, meaning they are NOT subjected to local, state or federal taxes.
So would a fund like Lifestrategy 60/40 be a good hedge as its selling at a lower price now? It has a good mix of everything
Hi @Jim Spencer it wouldn't really hedge anything. A hedge usually comes as half of a pair of assets such that it gains/loses when its counterpart does the opposite. Preferably it only gains when the other asset loses and doesn't lose when the other asset gains. A mix of equity and bonds like LS60 doesn't behave that way as it has both bonds and equity in it. But I guess the bonds and equity are both now relatively cheaper - perhaps that what you mean? Thanks, Ramin.
@@Pensioncraft Yes, I did mean theyre much cheaper, and is it not that Bonds do well in environments like now, and equities when economy is good, so its a kind of hedging? My main point is not knowing where we are exactly isn't this type of fund ideal with that 60/40 split such that its diversified during the downturn, and if things bounce back, its a win win?
Hello, did you buy TLT? Once in a lifetime opportunity
I think VUTY still has some legs given the outlook and the dollar strength on income is good! Why only suggest using a tiny bit of capital? Bonds should make up a good part of a balanced portfolio.
agreed, maybe the 60/40 can make a comeback
If inflation is being driven my a lack of commodities and the same level of demand, would that mean that it is worse for the economy, to keep rates high, because the money that should be going to commodity mining is going into bonds instead?
I’ve been putting 10% of my monthly investment into bonds since January. Currently they have the highest return to date the US interest rate increases have sent them upwards. I’ll start selling out when interest takes first cut. Return sitting at 9.69%.
Excellent
Hi Ramin - I have been following this channel with interest. but there are some things about bonds I do not understand, Why buy government bonds when you can get a short term interest rate 4% from your average building society at the minute- no risk, And what about corporate bonds, wouldn't they have a greater yields? (albeit with slightly more risk?).
1. You may think the value of bonds will rise. 2. To secure a 4% B/S rate you'd normally need to commit your funds for at least one year, whereas with Govt bonds you have access to your funds pretty much immediately.
Thanks Ramin. Do you have any videos about your Core Portfolios?
Hi @Dylan PAN I do have a members video about how I invest for my core portfolio here www.pensioncraft.com/patreon-post/how-i-invest-my-money/
Hi Ramin , love your analysis !! keep on doing what I call public service! (whats not taught at schools and it should ) , have you got Etoro account?
Hi Rui thank you! No I don't have an Etoro account. Thanks, Ramin.
In your opinion, will treasury bond a good short term investment for 6 months?what is your opinion on Ibond?
A few questions. I see you buy a bond through an ETF fund. Is there a way to buy the bond directly, so you hold the rights to the bond itself? For instance. I want to buy a three-year bond worth $10,000 which yields 3%. I intend to keep this bond for three years. So I collect the yield each year and get my $10,000 back after 3 years.
How does this work in ETF fund? You have management fees and I suppose since ETF funds are trading bonds, its value goes up and down as does the yield. Is the yield in ETF bond fund variable then, you get different returns on your initial investment depending on the bond price? And, if after three years you find yourself in time when bond is 20% down you only get $8,000 back after the bond matures?
Wouldn’t then be better to bypass the ETF fund, and hold on to the bond itself? What am I missing here?
Its very hard to own Gilt's directly because there isn't much of a secondary market for them. You're going to struggle to find someone to sell you £10,000 worth of gilts for example. They tend to be transacted in much larger quantities and they're not usually accessible to retail investors like us.
Why don't any mainstream Bond investors talked about buying high grade corporate bonds
Great video as always! Would inflation-adjusted bonds be a better option in case of sticky high inflation?
Hi Mick only if you think inflation will exceed the breakeven rate over the duration of the inflation-linked bond fund or life of the inflation linked bond. If this happens the inflation linked bond would give higher returns than an equivalent nominal (normal) government bond with the same maturity. They might still fall in price if real yields rise. Thanks, Ramin.
I-bonds are always better, their return have been 9.5%-13.5% since they were made
@@leagueofchodes2346 not on the charts I have seen.
If ever you can update with bond etf like tip and jnk
Triple A Presentation !
Is SPHY a good bond to buy?
I have made more money in bonds dividends then all the s&p 500 a200 way more cash in dividend returns if you find the right one
Housing rent prices have a big time lag in the CPI calculation. A big reason inflation is still high. Housing rent is a much much bigger component than fuel/energy.
I think energy prices are likely to remain high. We have just cut out one of the marginal suppliers (Russia/OPEC+) I think KSA is lying about how much they have left/can pump and everytime the market tries to price a level that would bring new supply online we penalise them with 'Windfall taxes'... Gas was supposed to be Europes transitional fuel until renewables took up the slack. We are now looking at a decade+ of higher energy prices so Inflation is here to stay IMO.
We also cut out a big part of US petroleum production with sleepy creepy Joe Biden as well don’t forget that part .
stagflation - rates up, growth flat.. companies under stress.. cds widens with rates up.. bonds get hammered double and you buy bonds??
can i buy with a credit card ?
Yes
So we buy US bonds and then get destroyed by the exchange rate once the pound becomes strong again?
I doubt that will happen, if the $$ is going down the £ is going down with it
Hi Pension Craft. How can I get a guaranteed say 5% annually for the next 10 years? Thank you
Hi @Seiko 7 the closest to a guaranteed fixed income is buying a developed market government bond in its domestic currency. Current yields are well below 5%. So I'd say that's probably not possible without taking credit risk which in turn means the income is _not_ guaranteed. Thanks, Ramin.
Investec are doing a 2yr bond with a 4.35% return , if the interest rates keep going up then maybe in a few months (or even sooner) there will be some 5% bonds on the market.
Has anyone tried recreating the chart in 14:52? I get slightly different version, can't figure out why?
Hi @mm make sure you're using the 5 year rolling median (use rollapplyr) for year-on-year GDP. Then you should get the same numbers. The data's from FRED. Thanks, Ramin.
Watch Harry’s rant. He was talking about TLT since last month.
Who's Harry?
Great video Romin. Thank you so much. I enjoy your videos a great deal. At 15:40 you said your core portfolio had three funds, but then you only listed global equity and global bonds. What's the 3rd?
Hi @Jeffrey Wong I'm pleased you like the video. I do have a member video about how I invest for my core portfolio here www.pensioncraft.com/patreon-post/how-i-invest-my-money/
If you're buying bonds right now, you should only buy longer-term bonds.
Bonds shorter than 2 years will drastically increase yields over the next 3-6 months.
All I know is index Bond's go up when the 10 Treasury Note goes down.
Has your opinion changed on bonds? Are we finally seeing the lowest numbers or is inflation still on the up 😅
Now what do I buy?
Gud.eve..,sir,,my question?,if ever I hve 1 (one) fed. reserve bond,,then I want to trade or sell it..their is any person to buy?,,thanks sir,,God bless & more power in your youtube channel🙏😇.
Great video. I’m waiting to see if new reserve currency from BRICS countries causes depression & hyperinflation in US.
Decade away.
We are on the verge of topping r
the inflation percentage of 78-81
Just buy 6month treasuries. Price risk doesn’t exist as you can hold till maturity. This is better then treasury funds
Important to consider that the largest oil producer in the World at the moment is actually the States (neither Russia or Saudi Arabia), and consequently moderately higher oil prices might not actually be a devastating result for America. US ten-year treasury yield is well under three percent so you are getting a crappy fixed-income yield for your bonds. Ultimately, you are probably better off looking to assets that offer a better long-term return than low-yield bonds.
Great video as usual. Are you still thinking the same way after Liz Truss and Kamikwasi have completely decimated the UK economy?
Where can we get 3x leveraged us treasury etf? 🤔
Direxion Daily 20+ Year Treasury Bull 3X Shares (TMF)
I started monthly investment in UK 15-year gilt (goverment bond) index fund, and 5-year inflation-linked gilt index fund, the prices are in low area even compared with 2017 one (dropped > 20% from Dec 2021 peak).
Do you have a video on your core portfolio?
Hi @19grand my community asked and here's my answer: www.pensioncraft.com/patreon-post/how-i-invest-my-money/I don't usually discuss this on RUclips any longer, but I occasionally talk about my market crash shopping list. Thanks, Ramin.
@@Pensioncraft thanks Ramin! You know, last night I was watching your video on Global Fund ETFs. Its a really good video. Didn't take much of it in on the first watch. I struggled to understand it, but watched it again and again and learned alot. Thanks again. 😊
Buy whatever you want I only wish you good luck. You're smarter than me no doubt so in any case you will lose money with your investment portfolio and especially with bond at least you're doing great with RUclips video good luck.
we are already in a recession.
Parroting the Woods narrative....
Buying TLT?
What's your view on TIPS?
The money that floods into bond the less you are helping with inflation
Thank you for the information..way to many ifs in your analysis. We are in a recession. During inflation prices go up and never down that's called a Depression. Good luck with your bond. On a different not I did buy I-Bonds..
Are we?
To me, it seems that central bank will have to raise that interest rate significantly to hold inflation. In this case, does this long term bonds still have space to fall?
yes
Where is it best to store funds when neither bonds or equities are safe? Commodities? Real estate?
Both of those could fall too, though some say bonds are now preferable to cash at these low prices
how do you check your fan following/loyalty of subscribers ? talk about bonds for 18 min :)
Surely you know that bonds are cool Rakesh? 8-) Thanks, Ramin.
Why not just buy individual bonds ??
Come in to see if this guy will survive the inflation linked bonds crisis...
So no lambos then?
I'm not seeing how inflation drops to 2-3% quickly unless the market crashes. So, I am not buying bonds yet, but I understand why some people are. The yield just isn't high enough.
Inflation is not dropping back to those rates quickly. That is a lie that's perpetrated by the equities industry to convince you to keep giving them your money.
I will never understand why anyone would want to hold bonds. Why not buy a mix of good stable long term companies like Coca-Cola, Microsoft Nike, Google, Apple?
less risk
Higher income payouts (vs most dividends), lower risk, more stable. Coca-Cola, MSFT, GOOG, and AAPL are volatile in the short term. Also, the stock market is overvalued right now.
Because they're in the withdrawal stage and they can't stomach the risk of 100% stocks.
Hey Ramin, thanks so much for the video - say I was interested in adding some bonds. Would the bond allocation in LS80 do the job of the ‘bond funds’ you talk about? I normally buy LS100 but I might start buying LS80 for a bit to effectively add some bonds! Many thanks!
Hi Ramin,
In all acknowledgement that your portfolio needs to fit your situation and might not be right for everyone, please could you let us know (in percentage terms so we won't know the size) of asset allocations in your personal portfolio? It would be so interesting to see your assets.
Ramin*
@@NZAnimeManga thanks 😅
Copycat....
i believe the charts thrown have too much data and the conclusion does not weight the 4 (2 pro, 2 against bonds) leads. also the Fun Portfolio does not make much sense. Is it better to research an argument to which commit to have skin in the game in the core portfolio.
side projects take away time to the core principal investment and also can be misleading for the audience.
but as always, thank you for the analysis Ramin, you are in my top 1 hands-on macro analysis channel
Just buy the bond instead of this etf and hold it to maturity.
Why so much understanding of the markets, if at the end of the day his core portfolio is very basic? Isn't having an strategic portfolio that usually lose money just means that trying to position yourself depending on the current macro situation has no value?
Hi @J P do complex portfolios perform better? Also, this is a financial education channel not a stock tipping channel - there are plenty of those. The goal is to educate people to make up their own minds about how to invest. People learn from mistakes (theirs and those of other people) so I think that it's important to share those too. Thanks, Ramin.
Stock markets seem great until you encounter your first major downturn. Sure, the SP500 has never lost money over a 20 yr span but bonds would be profitable in far less time than 20 yrs. in pretty much any case.
@PensionCraft Hi Ramin! I am a big follower of your channel, I am an engineer and the data analysis and models you put out there are top notch, I believe you didn;t understand my message. Let me put it in another way. If even you that has such a deep understanding and does such deep analysis to find value still have a big core portfolio which is the commonly known ETF diversification and then a small "strategic plays for fun" which mostly loses money, isn't the whole work you are putting in finding this macro trends / asymmetric risk reward plays massively diminishing returns? All the wasted time fur such a small gain?
Also, just as constructive feedback, I found strange in this video that you talk about buying bonds but analyse bond ETFs, I have never bought US bonds so I started looking into it and couldn't find a way to buy them directly as an European investor, is that what you are buying ETFs instead? Don't they have completely different investment profiles than regular bonds? I was thinking that a good play right now after watching your video is buy 6 months bonds just for the 3.5% interest while waiting for markets to correct but the short term ETFs don't seem a good play for that...would be great a video about how to buy bonds US and difs between ETF bond plays vs Real bonds..
Thanks man, really appreciate your work!
What about interest rates?
As Ramin said, short end of yield curve follows Fed (up to 2 years), long end (5 year +) is a combination of inflation and growth expectations.
great presentation but i'm reminded of hotshot brokers recommending bonds in the early eighties
Haha i remember 2y ago you spoke of hyper inflation, money printing and so on and now you want to buy bonds? Rofl. What happened with “fed will not let stocks crash narrative”?
He figured out he was wrong I guess
Never buy a bond fund. Been in Muni bonds for twenty years . one best investments I made own the bond to maturity. Beat my stocks over that time period in the S&P. Tax free sleep well at night. No funds own the paper.!
Exactly what time period was that? Must have been very short
Bonds will only go lower as interest rates go up. Right now you want to be in cash. Wait for the stock market to bottom and then either buy growth stocks or dividend stocks or a mix. A dividend stock like GSK or BCE give over 4% return ,more then you would get with a bond.
No one knows when the market will bottom...hope is not a plan.
Seems to me the argument against buying bonds is stronger than the argument for
Plus also if the fed pivots, they will print again and inflation will keep going
so…whats the bottımline? tell us what you are buying and selling? all the analyiais and when it comes to tell us what to do… well this is fun portdolio and it is a small portion of my money blah blah blah:)))
Hi Naso K the idea is that this is financial education that helps you make up your own mind. I tell our subscribers what I'm doing with my portfolio but I always say "don't do what I do". It's best to take ownership of your own portfolio rather than be dependent on others. Thanks, Ramin.
My advice to new investors: Buy good companies stocks and hold them as long as they are good companies. Just do this and ignore the forecasts and market views which are at best entertaining but completely useless
No.
I dont trust equities right now. I will be maxing out Ibonds first.
@@matthewphillips5483 Individual bonds?
That didn't age well
I was buying bonds too but this week with that drop in yields...I think im going to buy only when it goes up to 3,2% on 10Y treasuries. Thanks for the content
Agree with the thesis..start of deflationary tipover seemed to be present last week with weak oil and copper..I was looking for 3.6 on the long duration as buy point but getting an itchy trigger finger..maybe buy TLT and sell calls against it..
Nah, I'd hardly call oil and copper 'weak' overall. You'll get your fingers burned trying to time this.
We are in a much different world now from 6 months ago. Could be early, but the bond market will "pivot" well before the FED. I am timing this...still looking for 3.6 on the thirty...but I would...I'm retired and I need the income!
It would seem reasonable to buy short duration treasury inflation protected securities right now (TIPS)? I realize the inflation rate used to link the securities is a bit low compared to real inflation, but should do better than the average bond fund, even short duration bonds?
Bridgewater would agree linkers are a good idea right now, but in my experience it's hard to find a bond fund with short duration linkers. Do you know one?
Cons: Long-term debt cycle. Like what Dalio explains.
I really think bond yields have been falling to rediculous low levels for so long, it's time for a reversal and yields will be increasing for many years to come. In other words bond prices will crash along with share prices. Cash and hard assets will be king, more so hard assets as the CPI will continue marching upwards.
Where did you buy your crystal ball?
@@wolfiestreet6899 Just my thoughts, thats all. I don't think government bonds are as low risk as they've been over the last 30 or 40 years when yields had a long way to fall. And look at how governments are spending the money.
If yields increase for many years to come exactly what will happen to the federal budget? Isn't currently our payments for our bonds 10% out of our budget, how much higher do you feel this could go without breaking the bank?
@@ianbaker2599 The upside risk of yields is greater than the downside.
Makes sense. Thank you.
Your welcome Andrew Marsden
Looking at previous inflation periods, seems even throughout the interest rate hikes, inflation is growing steady. So does that means non-inflation-indexed bonds will probably perform badly in the near future?
And the inflation protected bonds, usually follow CPI. The problem her is CPI is usually not a valid metric, real inflation is usually higher than CPI inflation. So you might again end up loosing money.
I don't really understand how bonds are issued, but I'm guessing the government will issue new bonds with returns higher than the inflation, otherwise nobody would buy them.
I guess you'll win the most if you buy the bonds issued during the highest inflation. The bad part here is nobody know when inflation will peak.
Inflation is handled usually within 1 or 2 years, so I guess it makes sense to buy at regular intervals in throughout the next year or two?
Way, waaaaayyyy too much uncertainty from you here.
This game is not for you.