Accrued Interest On Treasury Notes & Bonds | What Is Accrued Interest?
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- Accrued interest on Treasury notes & bonds - what is accrued interest, why do you have to pay accrued interest & how does it show up when you buy Treasury notes & Treasury bonds on Fidelity, Schwab, Vanguard, TD-Ameritrade & Merrill Edge?
That's what I'll be talking about in this video as well as how TreasuryDirect handles accrued interest on new issue Treasury notes & bonds!
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This accrued interest rate makes my car twice as expensive. Because the time my car factor breaks ground to build my car to the time I pay of my car loan; 50yrs can pass.
Not only do I have to reward my investors that loaned me the money to buy the car, but plus I have to reward the investors that built the car. Plus the investors that built the factory.
All this interest is accruing from the time the factory broke ground on construction to build the factory. All the way up to the last car payment.
The construction of a car has a long-term assembly line to a finished product and the last car payment.
AKA accrued interest rates.
Something important to note, which you only hinted to it as “tax adjustments”, is that you will have to deduct the accrued interest you paid at purchase, from the coupon payments you received on first year that coupons are paid. Since you paid that accrued interest to the seller, you are essentially recovering it in your first coupon(s) so you don’t have to pay tax for that amount. To complicate things, Fidelity reports that accrued interest only in the supplemental information of the consolidated 1099 form for the year of purchase. So, if you get your first coupons the year after, you need to remember to go back to the previous year’s form to take that accrued interest and subtract it from the interest paid in the current year. Since this is only in the supplemental information not reported to the IRS, is easy to miss and you end up paying more taxes than you should. The subtraction is done on Schedule B.
HOW to subtract the accrued interest I paid at purchase, from the coupon payments I received? I purchased a Treasury note ( 0.75% interest) in 2022 in the secondary market with $156 accrued interest included in my purchase price. The $300 interest I received in 2023 includes the $156 I paid upfront (so my real interest is only $144) . I sold the note in 2023 before maturity. this $156 is not showing in my Schwab 1099 and the cost basis does not include the $156 I paid upfront. I am being double taxed here, the $156 as interst and also as part of the capital gain. I don't see how to do it in the Schedule B per your comments. there is no "adjustment/subtraction" line on the Schedule B. Thanks
I am really enjoying your content. And because of your advice, I bought four t-bills from fidelity over the last several months. I don't think I would have done it without your step-by-step simple explanation.
Glad the step-by-steps were helpful
Same here, I open Fidelity account and purchased 6 t-bills after following Jennifer, love Jennifer channel.
Your T-bill ladder email was my instruction manual for doing the same, thanks for being so precise and thorough.
Glad you’re enjoying the vids!
Thanks a lot for the wonderful video. One thing I think may be important to consider is that the YTM of secondary market bonds published on the website of brokerage houses such as Schwab is based on the so-called clean price, i.e. the price without considering the accrued interest. So the published YTM is really not what I call the "real" YTM. To calculate the "real" YTM, I think one needs to add back the accrued interest to the clean price. I did some test calculations and found that the "real" YTM can be significantly lower than the published YTM. I am not 100% sure I am thinking about this correctly. Any comments from anyone would be greatly appreciated.
The price you see quoted for notes/bonds trading in the U.S. secondary market is what is known as the "clean price", it does NOT include accrued interest. Some brokerage firms will show you the accrued interest at the time of purchase, others will not. Interactive Brokers, for example, displays the clean prices only, and pays the accrued interest to the seller (as an additional debit from your account) when the transaction settles. Conversely, if you sell a note/bond in the secondary market you will receive the clean price and also receive the accrued interest on top of the sale price.
Some countries quote "dirty prices" which has the accrued interest already embedded in the quoted price.
Love your videos! Super clear and helpful!
Clear and concise explanation, thank you!
These videos are very descriptive and helpful.
More awesome info from Jennifer.
Thx for the education ! great job as always .
Easy to understand and with real life examples
Good content
Your videos are excellent!
I recently bought & sold some Treasury bonds on the secondary market via Schwab. The accrued interest was broken out in the “order review” for the sale, just as you showed it is for the purchase. What I hadn’t previously realized is that any income from the sales price - the purchase price (including any accrued interest on either side) is taxed as capital gains for both federal & state taxes. Only interest actually paid out to you (every 6 months) is state tax-free.
I wonder how that works for international investors since we pay 0% on capital gains but a crazy flat 30% tax on interest, I wonder if I can get away with selling my treasuries a couple of days before the coupon payment day so I don't have to pay taxes for the accrued interest 🤔
Thanks, Jennifer 😊
Thank you for illuminating this subject. In Fidelity, I bought new-issue 5 year TIPS at auction. The trade confirmation says I bought 4,000 at 99.69713, for a principal amount of $3,996.86, interest $4.16, and settlement amount $4,001.02. I don't fully understand why there's accrued interest due for new issues, but what's weirder is 40 * 99.69713 ~= $3,987.89, NOT $3,996.86, so it's not at all clear to me how quantity and price relate to the principal amount. Perhaps the inflation factor? Why so complicated for new issues? It seems opaque.
Thank you very much! So one should get accrued interest if selling early ?
Thanks to you I bought Ibond last year and a 5% APY CD from Capital One.
Glad you’re enjoying our videos!
Slightly confused. If I purchase a 2 year note through Treasury Direct, do they deposit the interest earned into my funding bank account every 6 months? Or does the interest stay in Treasury Direct for the full 2 years and only available when the Note matures in 2 years?
Is there a choice selection to do it one way or the other?
I have been trying to figure this out, too. It's still unclear to me.
Not sure about Treasury Direct, but you can usually withdraw the coupon payments from a brokerage account. Similar to stock dividends
I have never bought on secondary market.May be worth looking at them
thanks a lot
Thanks for the accrued market information…been wondering about that. Please do a video on your recommendation for which treasury term you should buy with your available cash in this raising rate environment ( ex: 9 or 12 month if rates very close?)
You're welcome & stay tuned!
it appears to show the intrest erned under the estimated market value on my fidelity statement.
Accrued interest is broken out on the preview page on ETrade the same as Fidelity.
I am learning a lot about from your videos! I am with Vanguard and want you to make newest video on how to buy T-bills and Brokerage CD on Vanguard step by step! TIA
How To Buy T-Bills At Vanguard (Step By Step Tutorial)
ruclips.net/video/luCA-a-FPX8/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/xYnjafDJvd4/видео.html for how to buy brokered CDs on Vanguard
I assume it works the same way for an auction where the bond is reopening. So if you buy it at the first reopening you would have to pay one month interest for example?
I haven’t purchased a bond at reopening yet, but that’s my assumption as well. Perhaps some other supersavers can share some of their insights?!
I have a question: if the Fed keeps increasing the interest rate which T bill is the best to buy? The 4 week, 8 week, 13 or 17? Thanks.
That really depends on your financial situation - this video on laddering may help: My New $60,000 T-Bill Ladder (How To Build A T-Bill Ladder | Bond Ladder | Treasury Bills 2023)
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Just to be clear the brokerage takes care of handing over the accrued interest to the previous owner? I did not hear that mentioned but maybe I missed it. In any case another good vid with a mystery unraveled.
Yes, accrued interest is already included in the price you pay for your secondary market Treasury security
Great explanation, thanks! If I understood correctly, the accrued interest is not reflected in YTM. And so, the accrued interest "eats" into my YTM. If comparing two similar bonds, I should prefer the one that has lower accrued interest. Is this correct or I am missing something?
My experience is that on new issues at auction, you only pay accrued interest if the issue date falls on a non business day. For example 2-year note issued on 9/30/2023 (Saturday) settled on the following Monday 10/2, so I paid two days accrued interest. A 2-year note issued on 9/30/2022 paid no accrued interest since it settled the same day (Friday)
Thanks for sharing Mark
why no examples of selling Treasury notes/bonds on the fidelity secondary market
It seems to me it will be more straight forward to purchase directly from Treasury Direct. T Notes are still worth it.
I just found some info about Compound Banc’s new real estate saving bonds offering 7.00% APY. What do you think about it? Thanks
Thanks for the info - I’ll need to look into this further
@@DiamondNestEgg Thank you. I won’t trust it until run it by you.
One thing I know is treasury bills are better over Fidelity money market.Also cuts down on Liability .
It seems I am seeing more and more 'reopened issue" in the treasury market. Can you make add a small piece in one of your videos about what a 'reopened issue' is and, more importantly, why the govt would go this route? Could this have something to do with the 'extraordinary measures' Secretary Yellen spoke of to deal with the debt ceiling issue?
Reopening auctions happen regularly. The first part of this video explains further: Secondary Market T-Bills vs New Issue T-Bills At Auction (What's Better) | Treasury Bills 2023
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For me it pays to buy in Auction price
Thanks for sharing Coco
Why would there be accrued interest then on a T-bill when I am trying to buy the bond on the secondary market on my TD Ameritrade account? Specifically a 1 month T Bill??..
Why am I paying for this?.. Is this part of the Yield or the Rate of return?. Basically I am buying interest from someone else?. That would mean I would probably be yielding less on my return??..
Was trying to show a screen shot but it is not pasting in sorry.. Just trying to figure this all out and the best way to increase my assets with lowest amount of risk. With the best possible upside! =) Thanks in advance for any help or advice you have!
Jason
There is no accrued interest on a T Bill. Only on Notes and longer.
Separately computed accrued interest applies only to bonds on which interest is actually paid out to the bondholder. The Treasury will pay the full amount of six monthly interest on Treasury NOTES and BONDS, which have maturities of 2 years or more. Whoever purchases T-Notes or Bonds will be paid the full amounts of six monthly interest, regardless who owned the bonds during that 6 monthly period. In that situation, the seller of the bonds will charge the buyer separately for the interest earned by the seller before the date of sale. That is the accrued interest, and the buyer will need to pay the accrued interest to the seller in addition to the "clean" bond price.
In the case of Treasury Bills, the interest is not paid out periodically to the owner. It is in the form of a discount that reduces the purchase cost of the T Bills. The buyer will pay less than face value upon purchase but will receive the full face value if the T Bills are held hold through maturity date. What this means is that on T-Bills, you receive the interest (disount) at the time of purchase,, which means the interest is received BEFORE it is earned. If the T Bills are sold on on the secondary market before they mature, the sellling price is adjusted to include whatever portion of the discount (interest) the seller esarned before the sale. Therefore, there is no separate adjustment made for accrued interest.