The 0.1% Lows for EndeavourOS are in most games the same as the 1%Lows, this surprised me. It has less stutters then Windows, with RT OFF, at least for games on Steam.
@@diuran1919 I will try to do it, in a few videos. This week will be dead, as I have friends coming over, so hopefully by the end of the month I can put something together
one thing to note is nvidia under vkd3d/dx12 games are not that optimized with nvidias drivers compared to if you had a amd gpu and used the latest mesa for that amd gpu, nvidia gets pretty close with dxvk/dx11 games vs windows, great video nonetheless :)
@@casuallygamin9 Nobara when setup runs a lot better than windows in these games. I saw that video and wondered why your numbers were so low. My 7900xt was performing better than your tested 77900xtx on nobara. Wierd.
I like the layout of your performance charts and how each object has their own unique color. You have it arranged in a way that makes it easy to read and absorb the information quickly. Some channels do a terrible job with this.
@@casuallygamin9 I absolutely love your videos. I always wonder why they don’t get more traction. They are straight forward and not pandering to a side.
It's normal for a small channel to not be promoted. RUclips gives a chance for the first 2-3 days and after that it stops promoting the video. Bigger channels have more subscribers, those share the video, and the video get more traction after RUclips stops pushing their video. It's normal for smaller channels to have less views then bigger one, even if both release a video on the same topic.
@@casuallygamin9The thing I don’t understand is why would Cachy, Endevour, Garuda, or plain Arch etc be different if they all can be made to be exactly the same with a few downloads? Or are these videos mostly about “fresh install” performance? Great video! Liked and subscribed.
Fresh install performance. And as it can be seen, it's a minimal difference of performance. As we speak I'm working on the 7900 XTX Windows vs Linux, and I'm first checking the gaming centric distros like Nobara and CachyOS and pit it against PopOS, a ditro that is not tailord for gaming. I'm gonna use the cachyos-gaming-meta package that should have everything set for gaming, as it is on Nobara 40 by default.
Excellent video! It absolutely matches my tests with my Legion 7 Nvidia 4060. Windows still rules when nvidia drivers used. I can't understand when Linux youtubers say that Linux is faster in most games. They may just test with AMD GPU.
I have some previous videos where I test the 7900 XTX and it trades blows with Windows when using the open source drivers in Linux with RT off. I will do a follow-up to that video using the 7900 xtx.
I began my Linux Journey during summer and started gaming on it a couple of weeks ago and I'm quite impressed with Proton. EndeavourOS is the distro I'm currently using and I did have to go into the file system and configure it to work correctly with my Nvidia GPU. My display image would crash upon waking my PC from its nap before applying the new changes. Nvidia users probably shouldn't pick EndeavourOS as their beginner distro.
I had the same issue on Nobara 40, I believe this a Mvidia thing. I'm not sure why you say Nvidia users should avoid it. This was my first time trying a Arch distri. I was on Ubuntu for 4 years and on Nobara since early this year. I didn't find it that hard to use it, you kust need to read the documentation on how to install package and that's it. Want more, then it becomes a bit more complicated, bit this is why there is a community behind every distro.
I used Endeavour in the past and had a lot of problems with it... Which was unfortunate as I liked the OS theme. Would love to give it another shot tho, since I have been wanting to move to new OS from Windows. The once I've been recommended were Zorin, Fedora with KDE, Endeavour and Mint. I appreciate videos like these with raw data, great job.
I would recommend to try a few and see which one you like the most. I like Arch based diatros as those ahve the latest patches and improvements available. It depends a lot of the hardware you have, so try and see which one is best for you.
@@casuallygamin9 Currently I'm still running GTX 1080 with 5900x, weird combo I know. I'll be definitely doing some distro hopping after getting new SSD to back up my files etc. Obviously gonna have to still dual boot for games that have anti-cheat measures so ugly that only mother could love, but that's just how it goes.
@casuallygamin9 it be great if you include cachy Linux or other distros that are the fastest for gaming supposedly, faster kernel, x86-64v3/v4 optimized repos and all
I've noticed the EndeavourOS content looks much darker compared to Win11 and Mint. Is it only because of recording differences or is it actually different in-game? Thanks for the benchmarks, greatly appreciated.
EndeavourOS stutters way more than what the FPS counter displays. I haven't tested, but it may be caused by GSP firmware, that can not be disabled on open Kernel version of Nvidia driver. I tested Kubunt 24.10 with Open Kernel driver on 4060, mouse pointer was skipping 500 pixels just on KDE desktop.
In the games tested, it didn't stutter, the exception been Alan Wake 2. Enabling RT seems to bring a bit more stutters then when is disabled. EOS seemd more stable though
@@casuallygamin9 Maybe stutter is caused by screen capture software. From video the EndeavourOS Black Myth: Wukong stutters way more than on Linux Mint.
translation of d3d12 to vulkan seems way less efficient than d3d11 to vulkan. most dx11 games are very close to windows performance under both linuxes. but with dx12 the difference is bigger for almost all cases.
the 6.11.x kernel is going to be significantly faster than the 6.8.x kernel, as it offers new scheduler options for gamers. I wish you had double checked this scheduling parameter, its a game changer
I actually updated Mint, and that was the kernel version that it was. Like I said in the video. I just downloaded the .iso, applied all the updates til the recording date and did the benchmark
@@casuallygamin9 Thank you for your reply, and again, for all the videos you make. I think the Linux space deserves a voice like you on youtube! I understand your approach with the testing to mint and the iso's available to people. But after all, the 6.11 kernel will offer the new scheduling options, and when enabled, might offer great improvements over the base numbers of the ISOs. Maybe worth testing for in a dedicated video, with optimized scheduler settings vs ZEN kernel or similar? I'll try to do some tests here at home, too, and see if this is a topic of interest! Good talking to you and thanks again for your videos
EndeavourOS has the 6.11 kernel so does Nobara 40. When it comes to gaming, the limiting factor is the Nvidia driver. With that said, I observed less stuttering on the 6.11 kernel.
Would that actually make a difference? By any chance, do you know what improvements or tweeks does the mentioned kernals have over the regular one? In this video I covered the out of the box performance of these 2 distros compared to Windows
Those are some very interesting results. Endeavour's 0.1% lows being basically identical to its 1% lows is kinda nuts, but Mint is holding its own pretty damn well and trading blows with Endeavour, which I did not see coming. This video came at just the right time, I've been going back and forth between sticking with Mint and hopping to Endeavour, which for me had some significant drawbacks because my drawing tablet monitor still relies on X11 to map its touch strips which I use all the time, so switching to Endeavour and using Wayland DEs is out of the question for me right now, sadly. I *do* wonder if running Endeavour with Cinnamon is even worth it though gaming performance wise or if I might as well stick with Mint at that point...
There is minimal performance difference between distris in gaming. If you're happy with Mint and given your use case I would stick to Mint. If you're curious and want to try other distros, when it comes to gaming, you will not notice the performance difference.
@@casuallygamin9 Yeah, that's what I figured. Basically the "only" selling point of Endeavour (for me personally) would be access to the AUR, but that's honestly not the biggest deal. I've already installed the Liquorix kernel on Mint and am only one Nvidia driver version behind, so the difference as you said is probably barely noticeable. Thanks for that sanity check!
@@NikolayStefanovkaminatadotnet oh I don't doubt it, but here's the thing - a lot of stuff I rely on for work still only works in X11, I don't spend all day downloading packages and as long as everything works stable and reliably, I personally don't really care all that much about the latest and greatest. Don't get me wrong, you are not wrong for pointing this stuff out, but different people care about different things. I get the appeal of tinkering and I've done my fair share in a lot of areas, but at the end of the day, for me personally, I want my OS to be just that instead of a hobby in and of itself.
subscribed and liked. well done on this video. keep up great work. Can i make suggestion please, for ubuntu team use pop os that has nvidia iso, nobara you have mentioned for fedora team. So having all 4 players would be great. pop os, nobara, endevour/cachy and win10/11. i dont know if its a lot of work, but thats what i really love seeing those comparisons. thanks
Nice Video, 🎉 thats good to see, that is not a big difference about ubuntu/debian based distro and archlinux distro. Can you also Test Cachyos and Bazzite?
Windows is a way better for flawless and smoothness vs those two linux distros. That was a reason I moved back to Windows with my 4070Ti. I tried Ubuntu, Nobara, Bazzite, CachyOs. IDK about how AMDGPU works about the gaming but from what I've experienced I still prefer Windows with Nvidia in gaming. Could you test Forza Horizon 5 in Linux with Nvidia and Amd against Windows (RT on), please?
AMD GPUs tend to run on par with Windows while on Nvidia, you are losing around 20% performance. I will try to include Forza Horizon 5 in later videos, as the next one is in the editing faze
@@casuallygamin9 Thank you very much. It's acceptable for me to lose 20% but the only case to migrate back was micro-stuttering and lagging. As I can see for AMDGPU no problems with that
@@sergielebedev I don't think I did something special to be honest. I just used proton experimental or proton GE. All the settings that I used are in the videos, I don't have any magic settings or tweaks
I've noticed from personal experience that specifically with Nvidia hardware in Linux, games perform better on Windows when GPU bound and perform better on Linux when CPU bound. I have an i7 11370H with an RTX 3050 Ti laptop GPU. An example of this is when I benchmarked Just Cause 4 myself. Windows got better performance when using the whole GPU, and Linux did when using the whole CPU. In Linux, I was at 1080p low settings getting about 60-70 FPS, then all I did was drop the resolution slightly to 900p, and it nearly doubled, going to 110-120 FPS. This is contrary to my all Intel or all AMD computers, which see improved performance across the board when gaming on Linux. My tests were independent of the Linux distro too, I've tested many and they do the same thing.
Linux tend to be a bit more optimized then Windows. Nvdia does worse in games due to the drivers, not the other components l. This is why on an AMD GPU, there is nor performance loss, or it's minimal without RT.
Your experiments clearly show how the GPU is the greatest obstacle in performance. They are probably optimized for Windows, and they maintain proprietary drivers, so it's up to the graphics card manufacturer
Probably Nvidia drivers causing this underperformance. I have 5800x3d + 6800xt and on Fedora 41 i have exact opposite results with +10-20% increased FPS on Linux system than on my dualboot W11 24H2
Why do most people test Nvidea Gpus when theyre known to perform poorly compared to AMD on linux? Id rather see Windows get destroyed. Use a 7900xt or something someone on linux would actually use. Looked like you were in gpus slilent bios dor hadnt made the update to fix the power bug in AMD gpus we had a few months back.
I didn't have time to do so, it would have taken me another few days, and since I'm expecting friends to stay with me, the video would have taken to much, and it may have become irrelevant. I will try to do a follow ip and include Nibara in a future video
@@casuallygamin9 The moment i use pathtracing the performance becomes straight up unplayable, and not even close to Windows. This is either an Alan Wake issue or a VKD3D issue, or maybe even Proton itself?
Try using different versions of proton proton-ge or wine and see which performs better. I have only a 4080 Super and To me what yo are reporting seems kinda strange.
Though, keep in mind that the 4070 Ti has only 12 GB and that may be the case as proton, wine or any other traslation layer will use extra VRAM as compared to Windows. Here the extra VRAM that most AMD cards have, in the same price range, helps.
Poor performance from Linux in general unless at 4k. The "sweet spot" is something like a 6-7 frame difference, perhaps 10 at the utmost. Anything more than that and there is zero reason to use Linux for gaming over Windows unless it's some kind of weird moral issues for the end-user. Using Nobara or CatchyOS would probably close this gap more but Endeavor is no slouch, so maybe not. Good video, thanks for doing the testing.
Yep. the performance loss is kinda big when using a Nvidia card. As for different distros, these perform more or less the same. I have now Nobara 40 installed, I added the kernel and the video driver that it uses in this video, but there is no performance difference.
Windows is a crap. Everybody should avoid it at all costs. And let's test some Linux native games on Windows? How will be the performance, what do you think?
@@tawandagamedevs maybe, but the diff. still is not so big. Endeavpurs has not Secureboot or good Antivirus Comtapility compare with Mint. Gaming isnt all! A good mix is the best
I don't think the difference is that big, I'm not fanatical enough to play and check the fps all the time, I care more if the game is running smoothly or not. I think the biggest impact would be on competitive fps games, otherwise nothing to care about too much. Linux is advancing every day, one day this difference will be insignificant. I'm on EOS btw.
The difference can be big in some games from below 30 FPS to staying above 30. Only in theae situations you will notice the difference. How is EOS? I tested only for a few days and I liked it a lot. I'm using Nobara 40 as my daily driver.
@@casuallygamin9 EOS is good in everything, good performance, good community and simplicity with AUR made me choose it, everything can be installed and found very easy. The syntax is very simple and I already have the knowledge, which is why I'm not leaving this distro anytime soon. I was surprised by Mint, maybe I'll give it a try in the future, I didn't know it could perform well in games. I would really like to try Nobara, but I had problems installing it several times.
@@FaustRSI I am sorry to hear that. However, we are talking about gaming and by default in generally the requirements for hardware is going to be pretty advanced given the nowadays 3d games specifically. Also, consider the next thing: Desktop environment actually determines as well in Linux if you have enough resources or not.
@@StarGazerTrek We are talking about Win, however bad it is, DOES NOT throw any limitations at me, and I can play whatever my craррy hardware can handle without ever thinking about it being "incompatible" with the system itself. Or maybe in your mind anything released not in 2024, i.e. nowadays, is not worth gaming? You are as far from gaming as those in Garuda or Nobara then.
Ouch. Windows is absolutely crushing Linux in performance. Not to mention with Linux, you're always in danger of your game losing support or being blocked entirely (I.e. Apex Legends) Sorry Linux fans, your OS is simply bad for gaming. As annoying as Windows 11 is, it's still the best for gamers.
why the hell anyone would test gaming performance on endevoure insted of nobara or pika or bazzite? theres literally gaming distros . . . . and again, mint is not stable its old. Old stuff is not automaticaly stable.
Well, I'm not sure what you think a gaming distro is. I did a few videos featuring Nobara on this channel. Gaming distros come with everything set up for gaming, that's it. Those don't have anything new, or any improvements over other distros. Plis, these two distros are quite popular, and perform more or less the same.
Bad comparition brosky. Would make more sense if you would use arch that is optimised for gaming with all gaming stuff installed, and better on amd gpu. I did compare my results with windows 11... 99% linux was better. In terms of windows 10 it was 50/50.
The 0.1% Lows for EndeavourOS are in most games the same as the 1%Lows, this surprised me. It has less stutters then Windows, with RT OFF, at least for games on Steam.
few only games.
@@diuran1919 I will try to do it, in a few videos. This week will be dead, as I have friends coming over, so hopefully by the end of the month I can put something together
one thing to note is nvidia under vkd3d/dx12 games are not that optimized with nvidias drivers compared to if you had a amd gpu and used the latest mesa for that amd gpu, nvidia gets pretty close with dxvk/dx11 games vs windows, great video nonetheless :)
I know, I have other videos where I use a 7900 XTX and Nobara, and it performs on par with Windows, except Ray Tracing
@@casuallygamin9 Nobara when setup runs a lot better than windows in these games. I saw that video and wondered why your numbers were so low. My 7900xt was performing better than your tested 77900xtx on nobara. Wierd.
I like the layout of your performance charts and how each object has their own unique color. You have it arranged in a way that makes it easy to read and absorb the information quickly. Some channels do a terrible job with this.
because is Wayland vs X11, that counts for some of the discrepancies
That could be the case, I just tested the out of the box performance
I have watched several of his videos. On Nvidia, the Linux candidates usually get absolutely smoked while AMD maintains parity.
Yes, that is true. Hopefully Nvidia drivers will improve.
Thanks for watching
@@casuallygamin9 I absolutely love your videos. I always wonder why they don’t get more traction. They are straight forward and not pandering to a side.
It's normal for a small channel to not be promoted. RUclips gives a chance for the first 2-3 days and after that it stops promoting the video. Bigger channels have more subscribers, those share the video, and the video get more traction after RUclips stops pushing their video. It's normal for smaller channels to have less views then bigger one, even if both release a video on the same topic.
Thanks for such detailed video ❤️
Good Video! It shows, that gaming on linux works.
Compare Win11 vs CachyOS vs Nobara 40 pls. They are actually called "best gaming distros" :)
It's in the pipline, probably a few weeks away
you forgot the go to now, which is bazzite
@@casuallygamin9The thing I don’t understand is why would Cachy, Endevour, Garuda, or plain Arch etc be different if they all can be made to be exactly the same with a few downloads?
Or are these videos mostly about “fresh install” performance?
Great video! Liked and subscribed.
Fresh install performance. And as it can be seen, it's a minimal difference of performance. As we speak I'm working on the 7900 XTX Windows vs Linux, and I'm first checking the gaming centric distros like Nobara and CachyOS and pit it against PopOS, a ditro that is not tailord for gaming. I'm gonna use the cachyos-gaming-meta package that should have everything set for gaming, as it is on Nobara 40 by default.
@ Ah! Copy that 👍
I’ll definitely be checking things out. Thanks.
Awesome tests! Great charts !
Excellent video! It absolutely matches my tests with my Legion 7 Nvidia 4060. Windows still rules when nvidia drivers used. I can't understand when Linux youtubers say that Linux is faster in most games. They may just test with AMD GPU.
I have some previous videos where I test the 7900 XTX and it trades blows with Windows when using the open source drivers in Linux with RT off. I will do a follow-up to that video using the 7900 xtx.
I began my Linux Journey during summer and started gaming on it a couple of weeks ago and I'm quite impressed with Proton. EndeavourOS is the distro I'm currently using and I did have to go into the file system and configure it to work correctly with my Nvidia GPU. My display image would crash upon waking my PC from its nap before applying the new changes. Nvidia users probably shouldn't pick EndeavourOS as their beginner distro.
I had the same issue on Nobara 40, I believe this a Mvidia thing. I'm not sure why you say Nvidia users should avoid it. This was my first time trying a Arch distri. I was on Ubuntu for 4 years and on Nobara since early this year. I didn't find it that hard to use it, you kust need to read the documentation on how to install package and that's it. Want more, then it becomes a bit more complicated, bit this is why there is a community behind every distro.
@@casuallygamin9 Arch is way better than both. And Ubuntu is a very bad chioce.
I used Endeavour in the past and had a lot of problems with it... Which was unfortunate as I liked the OS theme.
Would love to give it another shot tho, since I have been wanting to move to new OS from Windows. The once I've been recommended were Zorin, Fedora with KDE, Endeavour and Mint.
I appreciate videos like these with raw data, great job.
I would recommend to try a few and see which one you like the most. I like Arch based diatros as those ahve the latest patches and improvements available. It depends a lot of the hardware you have, so try and see which one is best for you.
@@casuallygamin9 Currently I'm still running GTX 1080 with 5900x, weird combo I know. I'll be definitely doing some distro hopping after getting new SSD to back up my files etc. Obviously gonna have to still dual boot for games that have anti-cheat measures so ugly that only mother could love, but that's just how it goes.
Great comparison, interesting to watch.
Leaving this comment to help with the algoritme :)
If you could do with a AMD GPU that would be great, and try cachyos, it is the fastest distro for now , btw nice video tho
I will do a 7900 xtx video in the future, that vudeo is in the pipline
@casuallygamin9 it be great if you include cachy Linux or other distros that are the fastest for gaming supposedly, faster kernel, x86-64v3/v4 optimized repos and all
I will compare catcyOs and nobara in a future video
Great video, thank you
I've noticed the EndeavourOS content looks much darker compared to Win11 and Mint. Is it only because of recording differences or is it actually different in-game? Thanks for the benchmarks, greatly appreciated.
I would say that it's the recording, there should not be any difference
EndeavourOS stutters way more than what the FPS counter displays. I haven't tested, but it may be caused by GSP firmware, that can not be disabled on open Kernel version of Nvidia driver. I tested Kubunt 24.10 with Open Kernel driver on 4060, mouse pointer was skipping 500 pixels just on KDE desktop.
In the games tested, it didn't stutter, the exception been Alan Wake 2. Enabling RT seems to bring a bit more stutters then when is disabled. EOS seemd more stable though
@@casuallygamin9 Maybe stutter is caused by screen capture software. From video the EndeavourOS Black Myth: Wukong stutters way more than on Linux Mint.
Yes, I saw that as well, I did a mistake. I captured the video at 4k 30 and the others at 1440p 60. It's better to have a look at the framerime graph.
thanks for the upload! you don't choose between right or wrong. it's right or comfortable. i chose both: dual boot 💪
translation of d3d12 to vulkan seems way less efficient than d3d11 to vulkan.
most dx11 games are very close to windows performance under both linuxes.
but with dx12 the difference is bigger for almost all cases.
I think this is aplicabile to Nvidia, I did check a 7900 XTX in Nobara a few videos back, and there is minor performance loss, if any.
@@casuallygamin9So Nvidia can iron this out in the future? Very nice...
the 6.11.x kernel is going to be significantly faster than the 6.8.x kernel, as it offers new scheduler options for gamers. I wish you had double checked this scheduling parameter, its a game changer
I actually updated Mint, and that was the kernel version that it was. Like I said in the video. I just downloaded the .iso, applied all the updates til the recording date and did the benchmark
@@casuallygamin9 Thank you for your reply, and again, for all the videos you make. I think the Linux space deserves a voice like you on youtube! I understand your approach with the testing to mint and the iso's available to people. But after all, the 6.11 kernel will offer the new scheduling options, and when enabled, might offer great improvements over the base numbers of the ISOs. Maybe worth testing for in a dedicated video, with optimized scheduler settings vs ZEN kernel or similar? I'll try to do some tests here at home, too, and see if this is a topic of interest! Good talking to you and thanks again for your videos
EndeavourOS has the 6.11 kernel so does Nobara 40. When it comes to gaming, the limiting factor is the Nvidia driver. With that said, I observed less stuttering on the 6.11 kernel.
Good video! But it would have been better with a gaming kernel, like Zen, Xanmod, etc.
Would that actually make a difference? By any chance, do you know what improvements or tweeks does the mentioned kernals have over the regular one? In this video I covered the out of the box performance of these 2 distros compared to Windows
Those are some very interesting results. Endeavour's 0.1% lows being basically identical to its 1% lows is kinda nuts, but Mint is holding its own pretty damn well and trading blows with Endeavour, which I did not see coming.
This video came at just the right time, I've been going back and forth between sticking with Mint and hopping to Endeavour, which for me had some significant drawbacks because my drawing tablet monitor still relies on X11 to map its touch strips which I use all the time, so switching to Endeavour and using Wayland DEs is out of the question for me right now, sadly. I *do* wonder if running Endeavour with Cinnamon is even worth it though gaming performance wise or if I might as well stick with Mint at that point...
There is minimal performance difference between distris in gaming. If you're happy with Mint and given your use case I would stick to Mint. If you're curious and want to try other distros, when it comes to gaming, you will not notice the performance difference.
@@casuallygamin9 Yeah, that's what I figured. Basically the "only" selling point of Endeavour (for me personally) would be access to the AUR, but that's honestly not the biggest deal. I've already installed the Liquorix kernel on Mint and am only one Nvidia driver version behind, so the difference as you said is probably barely noticeable. Thanks for that sanity check!
Glad I could help
@@achaziel AUR is not the "only" selling point. Arch is better thean Ubuntu/Mint in every single way. Flexible, convenient, faster package manager.
@@NikolayStefanovkaminatadotnet oh I don't doubt it, but here's the thing - a lot of stuff I rely on for work still only works in X11, I don't spend all day downloading packages and as long as everything works stable and reliably, I personally don't really care all that much about the latest and greatest. Don't get me wrong, you are not wrong for pointing this stuff out, but different people care about different things. I get the appeal of tinkering and I've done my fair share in a lot of areas, but at the end of the day, for me personally, I want my OS to be just that instead of a hobby in and of itself.
subscribed and liked. well done on this video. keep up great work. Can i make suggestion please, for ubuntu team use pop os that has nvidia iso, nobara you have mentioned for fedora team. So having all 4 players would be great. pop os, nobara, endevour/cachy and win10/11. i dont know if its a lot of work, but thats what i really love seeing those comparisons. thanks
I would not be able to put them side by side. I will have a look at PopOS in the future, but can't promise that this will be right away.
Nice Video, 🎉 thats good to see, that is not a big difference about ubuntu/debian based distro and archlinux distro. Can you also Test Cachyos and Bazzite?
I will do a test for cachyos in the future and also Bazzit, not sure when though
Windows is a way better for flawless and smoothness vs those two linux distros. That was a reason I moved back to Windows with my 4070Ti. I tried Ubuntu, Nobara, Bazzite, CachyOs. IDK about how AMDGPU works about the gaming but from what I've experienced I still prefer Windows with Nvidia in gaming. Could you test Forza Horizon 5 in Linux with Nvidia and Amd against Windows (RT on), please?
AMD GPUs tend to run on par with Windows while on Nvidia, you are losing around 20% performance. I will try to include Forza Horizon 5 in later videos, as the next one is in the editing faze
@@casuallygamin9 Thank you very much. It's acceptable for me to lose 20% but the only case to migrate back was micro-stuttering and lagging. As I can see for AMDGPU no problems with that
On my setup, Linux is much smoother. The reality is that an OS is a toot to reach your goals, so if Windows is beat stick with it
@ I see. Then, could you share with your Nvidia flawless and smooth settings in-game please?
@@sergielebedev I don't think I did something special to be honest. I just used proton experimental or proton GE. All the settings that I used are in the videos, I don't have any magic settings or tweaks
Now I wonder what the test would look like if AMD hardware was used instead of Nvidia
I will do a fallow up with a 7900 XTX in the future
I've noticed from personal experience that specifically with Nvidia hardware in Linux, games perform better on Windows when GPU bound and perform better on Linux when CPU bound. I have an i7 11370H with an RTX 3050 Ti laptop GPU.
An example of this is when I benchmarked Just Cause 4 myself. Windows got better performance when using the whole GPU, and Linux did when using the whole CPU. In Linux, I was at 1080p low settings getting about 60-70 FPS, then all I did was drop the resolution slightly to 900p, and it nearly doubled, going to 110-120 FPS. This is contrary to my all Intel or all AMD computers, which see improved performance across the board when gaming on Linux.
My tests were independent of the Linux distro too, I've tested many and they do the same thing.
Linux tend to be a bit more optimized then Windows. Nvdia does worse in games due to the drivers, not the other components l. This is why on an AMD GPU, there is nor performance loss, or it's minimal without RT.
Your experiments clearly show how the GPU is the greatest obstacle in performance. They are probably optimized for Windows, and they maintain proprietary drivers, so it's up to the graphics card manufacturer
EndeavorOS ❤️
I really like it to be honest
Probably Nvidia drivers causing this underperformance. I have 5800x3d + 6800xt and on Fedora 41 i have exact opposite results with +10-20% increased FPS on Linux system than on my dualboot W11 24H2
Yea, with AMD hardware you get better results. I did release a video using the 7900 XTX, and Linux fares better
Do this same test, but with gamemode activated in linux, pls.
in a future video, I will do that fort sure
Why do most people test Nvidea Gpus when theyre known to perform poorly compared to AMD on linux? Id rather see Windows get destroyed. Use a 7900xt or something someone on linux would actually use. Looked like you were in gpus slilent bios dor hadnt made the update to fix the power bug in AMD gpus we had a few months back.
I have almost the same system LOL
Should included Nobara
Can you do it inside of bottles too?
I didn't have time to do so, it would have taken me another few days, and since I'm expecting friends to stay with me, the video would have taken to much, and it may have become irrelevant. I will try to do a follow ip and include Nibara in a future video
Can you compare pop os vs mint? Maybe Pop vs Bazzite vs Nobara?
I will do a comparison between PopOS, CachyOS and Nobara 40 by the end of the month.
@@casuallygamin9 alright
How did you run Alan Wake 2 with RT? the moment i use it i get 10FPS on a 4070 Ti, is there something i'm missing here?
I use proton-ge. You can see in the settings that I use dlss quality. Also it is a stuttery mess, so I can't really say I can run it with RT
@@casuallygamin9 The moment i use pathtracing the performance becomes straight up unplayable, and not even close to Windows. This is either an Alan Wake issue or a VKD3D issue, or maybe even Proton itself?
Try using different versions of proton proton-ge or wine and see which performs better. I have only a 4080 Super and To me what yo are reporting seems kinda strange.
Though, keep in mind that the 4070 Ti has only 12 GB and that may be the case as proton, wine or any other traslation layer will use extra VRAM as compared to Windows. Here the extra VRAM that most AMD cards have, in the same price range, helps.
@casuallygamin9 I got the super variant with 16 gigs 💀
Poor performance from Linux in general unless at 4k. The "sweet spot" is something like a 6-7 frame difference, perhaps 10 at the utmost. Anything more than that and there is zero reason to use Linux for gaming over Windows unless it's some kind of weird moral issues for the end-user. Using Nobara or CatchyOS would probably close this gap more but Endeavor is no slouch, so maybe not.
Good video, thanks for doing the testing.
Yep. the performance loss is kinda big when using a Nvidia card. As for different distros, these perform more or less the same. I have now Nobara 40 installed, I added the kernel and the video driver that it uses in this video, but there is no performance difference.
@@casuallygamin9 Good stuff. Thanks.
Windows is a crap. Everybody should avoid it at all costs. And let's test some Linux native games on Windows? How will be the performance, what do you think?
Nvidia on Linux is a mess. Maybe NvidiaOS will come once upon a time...
It loses performance when compared to Windows, I wouldn't call it a mess. You should look at Intel right now, this I call a mess
@@casuallygamin9i know that, but still Nvidia on Linux is a mess too
EndeavorOS is more stable
This was my experience as well, albit a short one
Mint is way more stable than EndeavorOS
@demerdemer328 look at the1% lows and 0.1%
@@tawandagamedevs maybe, but the diff. still is not so big. Endeavpurs has not Secureboot or good Antivirus Comtapility compare with Mint. Gaming isnt all! A good mix is the best
I don't think the difference is that big, I'm not fanatical enough to play and check the fps all the time, I care more if the game is running smoothly or not. I think the biggest impact would be on competitive fps games, otherwise nothing to care about too much. Linux is advancing every day, one day this difference will be insignificant. I'm on EOS btw.
The difference can be big in some games from below 30 FPS to staying above 30. Only in theae situations you will notice the difference. How is EOS? I tested only for a few days and I liked it a lot. I'm using Nobara 40 as my daily driver.
@@casuallygamin9 EOS is good in everything, good performance, good community and simplicity with AUR made me choose it, everything can be installed and found very easy. The syntax is very simple and I already have the knowledge, which is why I'm not leaving this distro anytime soon. I was surprised by Mint, maybe I'll give it a try in the future, I didn't know it could perform well in games. I would really like to try Nobara, but I had problems installing it several times.
I will maybe give EndeavourOS more then a few days and see how it performs as I really liked it.
It does not matter if you get a few more frames on Windows, Linux is private and free, plus beats the hell out of Windows on resource usage.
@@StarGazerTrek but none of you mention how much hassle it is to get to that point...no distro is like this outt of the box
@@roklaca3138 CachyOS, Nobara, Garuda, and the list is longer. Try those, game out of the box! : D You're welcome.
@@StarGazerTrek bullshit. Nobara and Garuda won't even support my PC/GPU because it's "too old" for them. But it's surely not too old for Win10.
@@FaustRSI I am sorry to hear that. However, we are talking about gaming and by default in generally the requirements for hardware is going to be pretty advanced given the nowadays 3d games specifically.
Also, consider the next thing: Desktop environment actually determines as well in Linux if you have enough resources or not.
@@StarGazerTrek We are talking about Win, however bad it is, DOES NOT throw any limitations at me, and I can play whatever my craррy hardware can handle without ever thinking about it being "incompatible" with the system itself. Or maybe in your mind anything released not in 2024, i.e. nowadays, is not worth gaming? You are as far from gaming as those in Garuda or Nobara then.
Ouch. Windows is absolutely crushing Linux in performance.
Not to mention with Linux, you're always in danger of your game losing support or being blocked entirely (I.e. Apex Legends)
Sorry Linux fans, your OS is simply bad for gaming. As annoying as Windows 11 is, it's still the best for gamers.
You can have both, because the reason we do it is to not rely on Microsoft entirely. Some prefer to dual-boot while some use virtual machines.
I use both as I olay games online with friends, and some are not available on Linux.
If he used amd gpu and arch with cash kernel and all gaming packages... it smokes win 11 out of water
why the hell anyone would test gaming performance on endevoure insted of nobara or pika or bazzite? theres literally gaming distros . . . . and again, mint is not stable its old. Old stuff is not automaticaly stable.
Well, I'm not sure what you think a gaming distro is. I did a few videos featuring Nobara on this channel. Gaming distros come with everything set up for gaming, that's it. Those don't have anything new, or any improvements over other distros. Plis, these two distros are quite popular, and perform more or less the same.
Bad comparition brosky. Would make more sense if you would use arch that is optimised for gaming with all gaming stuff installed, and better on amd gpu. I did compare my results with windows 11... 99% linux was better. In terms of windows 10 it was 50/50.
I did test Nobara paired with a 7900 XTX against Windows some time ago and it traded blows with Windows.