If you listened to what he said then you won't look like a dumbass. He said that due to the in game limitations the aam 4 cannot be used to its full potential. The russian devs even said it themselves on a few of their streams and stated the aam 4 is limited to the IRL system
@@mybru1 Okay, take a breath, nobody looks like a dumbass here. I’m aware it’s nerfed that’s not the point. Now, based on the graphs that we’ve seen comparing missile energy stats, we can see that the AAM-4 is the worst but it’s energy retention is actually pretty damn good. It doesn’t bleed energy very quickly at all, similar to the amraam. So we have a missile that’s slightly slower than an amraam with slightly less range that turns much harder. It’s only real downside in game is that in most launch environments it’s the slowest fox 3 out of all missiles in game. But imo, that does not make it worse than the R-77 whatsoever
yeah, i completely agree, the whole point of 'fox 3' is BVR. I tried so hard to make r-77 work, but its not a BVR missile. its probably the pointless fox 3 out there and lives without any long range options, especially when you need to guide r-27 while amraam platform can just turn back and you fleeing directly into fox 3. I can only see r-77 being an upgrade to r-73 in medium range combat whete r-73 lacks the energy and are prone to flarring. Overall r-77 is not BVR and way different missile overall
Mica has an innacurate range cue it has way too much drag in the game, in real life it could get up to 80km of range wich would improve its bvr capabilities of another 10-15 km
MICA is extremely deadly at medium range. I'm consistently getting kills between 20km and 30km with MICA. Yes, beyond 30km the MICA falls way off compared to AIM 120, especially past 35km its basically a wasted missile beyond that range. But you can absolutely get just as many kills at medium range with MICA as AIM 120. The benefit with the MICA is that at short range, it can pull insane maneuvers that none of the others can due to the thrust vectoring. Try running the Mirage 2k at high altitude when an enemy jet is tail chasing you at around 10km. With HMD, you don't even have to face them to kill them. You just turn enough to get the HMD lock, launch the missile and go back cold. Trust me, that MICA will pull a 120 degree angle and kill them. I've gotten countless kills at well beyond 180 degrees at 7km or 9km etc after I was already dead because I managed to lock them up while I was in a tail spin after being hit. MICA is an R73 that can still hit them at 25-30km. Because the vast majority of top tier kills are going to happen around that 20km or lower range, the MICA is just objectively the best in practical terms. AIM 120 is absolutely best at long range, but most players have adjusted their playstyles and are much more defensive now, so it doesn't feel as OP as it did when the patch hit.
I think what people forget is 35Gs is PLENTY of G pull to hit a target, I don't think people think much about that the 120 has more G pull than the R-60, which was one of the hardest pulling missiles for years (besides magic 1 and 2) Then there is also the point that, you actually never need to engage in a dogfight if you want to, because you can literally go cold and climb or whatever and then re-engage later in the match.
I found out that AAM4 is getting a lot better with even more range, I've succesfully used and still using it at around 70 km's, above 50 km's is the point where amraam starts loosing energy massively and aam4 does not due to it being heavier. I found that AAM4 has a lot easier time ripping through air at "low" speeds above 50 km mark
@@The_LeMi aim 9x is onely 14 km 😂 Mica ir is a dogfight missiles and goes 60-80km With thrust vectoring and all the mica characteristics Aim-9x goes at Mach 2.5 Mica ir goes Mach 4 Aim-9 x first successful shot was in 2016-2019 Mica-ir first shot was in 1995 I hope that you’re talking about the aim-9 x nasams Because the aim-9 x MML had a lot of problems with overheating issues that made it randomly explode 🤯 The mica was used in combat and proved his capabilities The aim-9 x didn’t : ( Rn in Ukraine, onely some aim-9M are used with some kind of conversions ( ground/air )( FrankenSAM ) And classic aim-9M as air2air of course
@@TheDPoint4 i never said they should be used in the same way. I’m just comparing the performance. Btw ad-hominem argumentation isn’t useful, keep it for yourself. Bis : what do you mean by mica ? Mica ir or Mica em ? I’ll give you back your « Think before you speak 💀» in that case.
Mica gets really hard to hit above 16 km. In the beginning you can't contest because you are outranged by enemy missiles, and after the initial rush, most enemies will be semi aware of you and when they maneuver you won't hit much with them. Having an unaware enemy 10km above you ? -> no problem, launch the missile, and they are going to eat it. Enemy doesn't pay attention / is distracted by other planes and below 16km ? -> yeet the missile and it's almost an assured kill If the range goes above 16 its unlikely that they will stay put the entire flight time and if they turn the mica will lose too much energy. Other than that, amazing missile
I am sorry but how can you put the R-77 above any top tier Fox-3 missile in war thunder. I have literally watched my missile BE KINETICALLY DEFEATED from a target flying perpendicular away from me from 3 km (No it was not due to a notch I watched the tactical replay nor was it multipathing they were flying around 1km above the ground)
Agreed, r-77 does everything wrong paired with some of the weakest radars at top tier. The only kills I seen to connect with at top tier are pretty close range and even at that the mica is better. USSR top tier in Sim doesn’t feel worth playing.
I wanna know what u we’re smoking when making this AIM-120, MICA and PL-12 are S tier R77 is A Derby and Darter are B AAM-4 is C but it should be the best
@@sean3144 AIM-120 and PL-12 are basically the same. They have good maneuverability and the most range. And MICA is a thrust vectoring 50G fox 3 missile. With good enough range. R-77 pulls 50gs and has similar range to the MICA Derby and darter are simply just worse AIM-120. They are built of an IR short range missile do their range isn’t great. The only thing they have is pull. And the R77 and MICA beat them in that And AAM-4 should perform like an AIM-120C-5/7 but they butchered the stats and haven’t fixed it yet. Which is why I say it should be the best
@@garrettobrien5197 The first point is, dont trust the stats play the missiles by yourself. Do you even got them? Im playing even rn and can tell what ive got are derby, r77 and aim120. Derby is def. better then aim120 overall but depends on situation. r77 is just underperforming. its shit. cant tell what about the mica and pl-12 ive never played them
@@sean3144 I’ve used all but the AAM-4 and darter. But darter and derby are the same and I’m just going off of my own experiences and what I’ve heard from others
@@garrettobrien5197 if this is the truth then i wont understand how it comes to this rating your just made there this is litterly no sence xd at least not for rb
Top tier fox-3s are not a long range weapons, they're very easy to dodge and bc of that you need to shoot them from less than 15 km head-on. And on this distance Derby is the fastest.
@@cactuslietuva No, USA doesn't tho, I think also Japan is also getting a Meteor missile with an AESA seeker. USA is developing AIM-260, it can do IR and ARH.
What a wonderfully original video. I know I'm not the first person to invent the tier list, but if you're going to post the exact same video idea and rip off my thumbnail at least wait a couple weeks so you dont fuck over my impressions.
I agree with you, we need multiple opinions from multiple CCs, I dont mind that he wanted to make the same video But like, the thumbnail is basically the same, and it came out 2 days after mine. I dont even care that it's the same video type, I just wish there was enough respect to wait a week or two so we can both have our videos do well instead of competing for views.
I closed the video after he placed Derby in tier S and aim120 in tier A next to Mica... Unfortunately, gaijin messed up all the missiles except the aim120. Aim 20 is S+, a missile that will stand out, it has the most important thing about a bvr missile which is the range, the rest of the missiles stand out in the difference in G force in very specific situations. In a tier S I would put aam4 and pl12 because of the range. Tier A is the MICA EM and the Derby/A-Darter due to the general performance. Tier B goes to r77 due to the absurd drag it has
@@gustavofelix3433 Wait, until you find out, that range is not the most important parameter of fox 3, unless you're firing at bots or at someone, who doesn't even try to notch
@@-..----.--.-... You said little, but you talked shit. Range is not only the most important thing about a Fox 3, but the development of new missiles increasingly seeks greater range and greater speed. Are the United States developing the AIM174B by then? If range doesn't matter, why are the most feared missiles today is the Meteor, PL15 and R37M? Pls bro... just shut up
@@gustavofelix3433 i know you commented this 1 month ago but when did he say it doesn't matter? He said that its loads of other parameters in a fox3 that is extremly important. The Aim120 in game is better than the r-darter at one thing and it range and its not even by that much. The R-darter has better close ground seeker head beacuse its newer, can pull more gs and pull the gs faster then the aim120.
@@gustavofelix3433 U know that the meteor is feared because it can kinda loiter and it will chase u down no matter what if you don't put atleast 60 km or a mountain between you and the missle. Sure the range is important but if the meteor was an aim120c7 with more range than nope it wouldn't be feared.
I have no experience with the others but the PL12. I can hit tagets out 10-12km away max pretty consistently. No more than that cause it falls out of the sky.
@@leazy911 yeah I do agree it isn’t the worst in my opinion it’s the third best but the fact people think it’s better than the aim-120 is just so wrong
Is top tier right now, it doesn't even matter, what aircraft has the best turning capability, because the mirage just wins in a dogfighting, by shooting one mica
Not talking about the video but people in general here. Many people love to say that X missile is the best but really almost all of them have a thing they’re best at so every missile has a time and place to use them Aim-120 are the best for range at the edge of the envelope yes but I’d use it way more as a 20km missile At the same time if someone shoots a mica at you from 10km you might as well start thinking about the next match because your ass is going back to the hangar Edit: oh you said the exact same thing about mica in the video lol
Matt……question? Did you not sleep last night? How delusional were you made this list😂, AAM-4 at c-tier when its an objectively better aim-120 is crazy lol
No, the PL-8B is an upgraded variant of the Python 3 made by China that gets IRCCM, and it has been discussed that Gajin might add them to the J-10 if they feel it is necessary.
@@AiRbU380 Bro i played top tier on gripen and i can say with confidence that the only missle i've been dying to most of the time, is amraam or pl12, they're strongest atm.
The AAM-4 is better than the AMRAAM in close range. It pulls more than the AIM-120 and has more fin AOA. It has worse range than the AMRAAM but better at closer range.
Depending on altitude the AIM-120 is by far the best long range option. At high altitude (10km ish) the AIM-120 is only the best when fired at 25km or more. However at low altitude (250m ish) the AIM-120 is superior to everything when fired at 8km or more. And when considering fighting a good enemy, it is important to remember that they will be trying to drain your missile of energy, either by cranking or going cold. If you want to hit a player who knows what he is doing, AIM-120 is almost always the best option. The only exception to this is if you are at very close range or even in a dogfight. (though in dogfights the planes performance is more important than the missiles) My point is that AIM-120 should definitely be S tier. Mat if you are reading this, you even made a video on the graphs showing that this was the case.
@@zeusgr6954 it certainly is not, even at close range the AIM-120 accelerates faster than the AAM-4, only at extremely close range (below 3km at low altitude) does the AAM-4 carry more energy than the AIM-120. Every distance above that and the AIM-120 will be the faster and more lethal missile. The turning capability is also only really important when fighting super close. Though its model might look very close its performance is not.
Yeah and no, for starters if you playing a player that knows what they at 8km+ your missile is getting notched and chaffed there's no doubt about it chaff is overpowered, or he could multipath it. The only exception to this is the Mica, R-77 and derby they seem to be better at tracking if you turn a bit too much out of your notch they re acquire pretty fast. Off bore shots at 3-5km the 120 is pretty bad at those as it can't pull that well for a few seconds after launch. The 77 will definitely hit you and the Mica is not even a challenge.
It's not how it works. Mica, derby, pl-12 and r-77 has better acceleration (especially mica and derby) so near the ground at 10-15 km range (where the inferior drag doesn't affect much yet) they're better, than amraam, since they give less time, to notch, multipath or just react to them in any way
@@-..----.--.-... i didn’t come up with these Numbers, there is a Reddit post called “A change in rocket dynamics, as Well as a comparison of the behavior of rockets at altitude and at the bottom” In the post there should be a ton of graphs including a graph where all the missiles and their speed is compared at 10km and at 250m.
@@zeusgr6954 have you used the AAM-4 it’s a easy missle to dodge die to the lack of energy it has the TTH( time to hit) is horrible and a aim 120 will prob kill the target before your missle even gets close
So you’re telling me, as of right now in game, the R-77/RVV-AE, is a better missile than the AAM-4? Good lord what a take
If you listened to what he said then you won't look like a dumbass. He said that due to the in game limitations the aam 4 cannot be used to its full potential. The russian devs even said it themselves on a few of their streams and stated the aam 4 is limited to the IRL system
@@mybru1 Okay, take a breath, nobody looks like a dumbass here. I’m aware it’s nerfed that’s not the point.
Now, based on the graphs that we’ve seen comparing missile energy stats, we can see that the AAM-4 is the worst but it’s energy retention is actually pretty damn good. It doesn’t bleed energy very quickly at all, similar to the amraam. So we have a missile that’s slightly slower than an amraam with slightly less range that turns much harder. It’s only real downside in game is that in most launch environments it’s the slowest fox 3 out of all missiles in game. But imo, that does not make it worse than the R-77 whatsoever
yeah, i completely agree, the whole point of 'fox 3' is BVR. I tried so hard to make r-77 work, but its not a BVR missile. its probably the pointless fox 3 out there and lives without any long range options, especially when you need to guide r-27 while amraam platform can just turn back and you fleeing directly into fox 3. I can only see r-77 being an upgrade to r-73 in medium range combat whete r-73 lacks the energy and are prone to flarring. Overall r-77 is not BVR and way different missile overall
Mica has an innacurate range cue it has way too much drag in the game, in real life it could get up to 80km of range wich would improve its bvr capabilities of another 10-15 km
yeah but its french so gaijin said fuck y'all french mains ( gaijin trying hard to give MICA's the same range as R511 )
@@stone1er371 even R511 as better range at this point xD
Stop throwing around irrelevant numbers, yes it could get up to 80km range but at what conditions? launch speed? altitude? temperature?
@havox4020 all sources possible are claiming 60 to 80 km operational range , not 10 and a half
@@stone1er371ah like the R77? Lmfao
The aam4 should be way ahead of the aim120 but gaijin said fuck it
It should be about on par with the 120C-5, but then it would be wildly op
@@christopherchartier3017lmao the 120 c-5 is the factory name of the pl12
@@G1smurphywt Lol yeah, I mean the US amraam, not the knockoff lol
@@christopherchartier3017 it’s not a knock off the aim 120 c-5 aka the pl12 is license made lol
@@christopherchartier3017 Why did you add them so early then?? The Japanese F15 could only stay with the 120a in a 1st time. Gaijin...
MICA is extremely deadly at medium range. I'm consistently getting kills between 20km and 30km with MICA. Yes, beyond 30km the MICA falls way off compared to AIM 120, especially past 35km its basically a wasted missile beyond that range. But you can absolutely get just as many kills at medium range with MICA as AIM 120.
The benefit with the MICA is that at short range, it can pull insane maneuvers that none of the others can due to the thrust vectoring. Try running the Mirage 2k at high altitude when an enemy jet is tail chasing you at around 10km. With HMD, you don't even have to face them to kill them. You just turn enough to get the HMD lock, launch the missile and go back cold. Trust me, that MICA will pull a 120 degree angle and kill them. I've gotten countless kills at well beyond 180 degrees at 7km or 9km etc after I was already dead because I managed to lock them up while I was in a tail spin after being hit. MICA is an R73 that can still hit them at 25-30km.
Because the vast majority of top tier kills are going to happen around that 20km or lower range, the MICA is just objectively the best in practical terms. AIM 120 is absolutely best at long range, but most players have adjusted their playstyles and are much more defensive now, so it doesn't feel as OP as it did when the patch hit.
And this is why I fear French planes.
S: AIM-120, AAM-4
A: MICA-EM, PL-12/SD-10A
B: R-77
C: Derby/R-Darter
How is the R-Darter not as good as the Derby? They are pretty much identical missiles (at least IRL)
@@fulcrum6589 in the game the R-Darter had worse drag characteristics but better AoA, they changed it already but I didn't update the tables
AMRAAM i think is the best all rounder missile. and often paired with great radars
That is derby. Amraam has less acceleration, than mica, derby, pl-12 and r-77. Derby also gets first to the target at ~12-25 km
I think what people forget is 35Gs is PLENTY of G pull to hit a target, I don't think people think much about that the 120 has more G pull than the R-60, which was one of the hardest pulling missiles for years (besides magic 1 and 2) Then there is also the point that, you actually never need to engage in a dogfight if you want to, because you can literally go cold and climb or whatever and then re-engage later in the match.
I found out that AAM4 is getting a lot better with even more range, I've succesfully used and still using it at around 70 km's, above 50 km's is the point where amraam starts loosing energy massively and aam4 does not due to it being heavier. I found that AAM4 has a lot easier time ripping through air at "low" speeds above 50 km mark
aam 4's internal guidance is pretty good, it's harder to dodge and chaff than the aim120.
If mica-ir get added : 😳
If aim 9x get added
@@The_LeMi aim 9x is onely 14 km 😂
Mica ir is a dogfight missiles and goes 60-80km
With thrust vectoring and all the mica characteristics
Aim-9x goes at Mach 2.5
Mica ir goes Mach 4
Aim-9 x first successful shot was in 2016-2019
Mica-ir first shot was in 1995
I hope that you’re talking about the aim-9 x nasams
Because the aim-9 x MML had a lot of problems with overheating issues that made it randomly explode 🤯
The mica was used in combat and proved his capabilities
The aim-9 x didn’t : (
Rn in Ukraine, onely some aim-9M are used with some kind of conversions ( ground/air )( FrankenSAM )
And classic aim-9M as air2air of course
@@Derp12348hey dipshít aim9x and mica are not used in the same way, maybe think before u speak 💀
@@TheDPoint4 i never said they should be used in the same way. I’m just comparing the performance.
Btw ad-hominem argumentation isn’t useful, keep it for yourself.
Bis : what do you mean by mica ?
Mica ir or Mica em ?
I’ll give you back your « Think before you speak 💀» in that case.
@@Derp12348 your right I shouldn’t say that, but you can’t compare two missiles that are used in different ways
I hope we will see R-27EA at one day....would be the best BVR missile in the game.
Mica gets really hard to hit above 16 km.
In the beginning you can't contest because you are outranged by enemy missiles, and after the initial rush, most enemies will be semi aware of you and when they maneuver you won't hit much with them.
Having an unaware enemy 10km above you ? -> no problem, launch the missile, and they are going to eat it.
Enemy doesn't pay attention / is distracted by other planes and below 16km ? -> yeet the missile and it's almost an assured kill
If the range goes above 16 its unlikely that they will stay put the entire flight time and if they turn the mica will lose too much energy. Other than that, amazing missile
So basically R-77 but better. I should grind French tech tree next.
I am sorry but how can you put the R-77 above any top tier Fox-3 missile in war thunder. I have literally watched my missile BE KINETICALLY DEFEATED from a target flying perpendicular away from me from 3 km (No it was not due to a notch I watched the tactical replay nor was it multipathing they were flying around 1km above the ground)
Agreed, r-77 does everything wrong paired with some of the weakest radars at top tier. The only kills I seen to connect with at top tier are pretty close range and even at that the mica is better. USSR top tier in Sim doesn’t feel worth playing.
fakour 90 is actually the best if we talk about range, you should've added it
20G...
20 g is insane for its range
@@РуловскийHe can't pull 20g at the lax rabge of the missiles
@@Руловский150km is pure theory. In reality it’ll rarely hit longer than an aim120a…
@@Руловский It's terrible
I wanna know what u we’re smoking when making this
AIM-120, MICA and PL-12 are S tier
R77 is A
Derby and Darter are B
AAM-4 is C but it should be the best
i want to know what you were smoking while writing this ranking xd
@@sean3144 AIM-120 and PL-12 are basically the same. They have good maneuverability and the most range. And MICA is a thrust vectoring 50G fox 3 missile. With good enough range.
R-77 pulls 50gs and has similar range to the MICA
Derby and darter are simply just worse AIM-120. They are built of an IR short range missile do their range isn’t great. The only thing they have is pull. And the R77 and MICA beat them in that
And AAM-4 should perform like an AIM-120C-5/7 but they butchered the stats and haven’t fixed it yet. Which is why I say it should be the best
@@garrettobrien5197 The first point is, dont trust the stats play the missiles by yourself. Do you even got them? Im playing even rn and can tell what ive got are derby, r77 and aim120. Derby is def. better then aim120 overall but depends on situation. r77 is just underperforming. its shit. cant tell what about the mica and pl-12 ive never played them
@@sean3144 I’ve used all but the AAM-4 and darter. But darter and derby are the same and I’m just going off of my own experiences and what I’ve heard from others
@@garrettobrien5197 if this is the truth then i wont understand how it comes to this rating your just made there this is litterly no sence xd at least not for rb
So how should i use Derby? I tried those Fox 3 missiles, but had a better results with Phoenixes A with F-14A :)
Use within 10 km because it's a super maneuverable missile and at range it has too much drag to be used consistently
Derby is usable around 20-10 km
Top tier fox-3s are not a long range weapons, they're very easy to dodge and bc of that you need to shoot them from less than 15 km head-on. And on this distance Derby is the fastest.
What are you talking about? Doesn't AAM-4 has very similar acceleration to the 120's? But they turn way better at close ranges with higher AOA.
It has a better turning capability, but AAM-4 is slower than the AIM-120 and the latter has better range I think.
yeah it does, the OP the probably have AAM-4
@@cactuslietuva I also have the F-15J(M), AAM-4 is prob the best missile in the game, AIM-120C-7 might be better.
@@monke0603 there is AAM-4 B variant with AESA seeker. I dont know if USA has AESA on aim-120 atm
@@cactuslietuva No, USA doesn't tho, I think also Japan is also getting a Meteor missile with an AESA seeker. USA is developing AIM-260, it can do IR and ARH.
Does aim 120a and 120b have differences in game? I know they are different irl
Could you make this but with Ir-missiles? They have changed alot
What a wonderfully original video. I know I'm not the first person to invent the tier list, but if you're going to post the exact same video idea and rip off my thumbnail at least wait a couple weeks so you dont fuck over my impressions.
To be fair, Mat has done these tier videos on missiles over 2 years ago... Your first one was a year ago.
They are both great and its nice to have multiple CCs doing this type of content. Lots of WT players out there that love the info.
I agree with you, we need multiple opinions from multiple CCs, I dont mind that he wanted to make the same video
But like, the thumbnail is basically the same, and it came out 2 days after mine. I dont even care that it's the same video type, I just wish there was enough respect to wait a week or two so we can both have our videos do well instead of competing for views.
I closed the video after he placed Derby in tier S and aim120 in tier A next to Mica...
Unfortunately, gaijin messed up all the missiles except the aim120.
Aim 20 is S+, a missile that will stand out, it has the most important thing about a bvr missile which is the range, the rest of the missiles stand out in the difference in G force in very specific situations.
In a tier S I would put aam4 and pl12 because of the range.
Tier A is the MICA EM and the Derby/A-Darter due to the general performance.
Tier B goes to r77 due to the absurd drag it has
@@gustavofelix3433 Wait, until you find out, that range is not the most important parameter of fox 3, unless you're firing at bots or at someone, who doesn't even try to notch
@@-..----.--.-... You said little, but you talked shit.
Range is not only the most important thing about a Fox 3, but the development of new missiles increasingly seeks greater range and greater speed.
Are the United States developing the AIM174B by then? If range doesn't matter, why are the most feared missiles today is the Meteor, PL15 and R37M?
Pls bro... just shut up
@@gustavofelix3433 i know you commented this 1 month ago but when did he say it doesn't matter? He said that its loads of other parameters in a fox3 that is extremly important. The Aim120 in game is better than the r-darter at one thing and it range and its not even by that much. The R-darter has better close ground seeker head beacuse its newer, can pull more gs and pull the gs faster then the aim120.
@@gustavofelix3433 U know that the meteor is feared because it can kinda loiter and it will chase u down no matter what if you don't put atleast 60 km or a mountain between you and the missle. Sure the range is important but if the meteor was an aim120c7 with more range than nope it wouldn't be feared.
S：aim120
A：mica、pl12
B：r77、Derby
C：aam4
wheres r darter
@@sbcfggsh3506 At the release it was like that, but after many changes, done to many of this missiles, the tier list looks, like one in the video
R darter is not s tier are you out of your mind???? The only missle i can speak off is r darter and its DEFINETLY NOT a s tier missle...
Why did you copy PerennialE
Excluding the F-14's from top tier conversations is why it gets to stay low and seal club.
F14 should be 13.0 like wth atleast iranian version should be cause fakours are stupid
early f14 should be 12.7 def
I have no experience with the others but the PL12. I can hit tagets out 10-12km away max pretty consistently. No more than that cause it falls out of the sky.
Aren't Derby and R-Darter literally just Pythons but with a ARH seeker? Low speed, no sustainers, terrible energy retention. Like wth?
Bro is ranking from stat card or something
This is so wrong lmao, like AAM-4(a better AMRAAM at C tier), and MICA lower than DARTER AND DERBY
Have you used the aam-4? It has a horrible booster that makes the TTH(time to hit) horrible, it gives the enemy too much time to evade it.
@@LitdabLitdab they've buffed it. it is better than an amraam at close range but worse at long range
@@leazy911 it barely has more pull and with a fox 3 range and energy is more important in my opinion
@@LitdabLitdab Yeah, I agree but in the video hes saying that its worse than every other missile which is completely wrong and insane
@@leazy911 yeah I do agree it isn’t the worst in my opinion it’s the third best but the fact people think it’s better than the aim-120 is just so wrong
remember!!!
all the missiles are awsome
Immagine a plane that have 4 Aim 120 and 4 Micas....
Is top tier right now, it doesn't even matter, what aircraft has the best turning capability, because the mirage just wins in a dogfighting, by shooting one mica
Not talking about the video but people in general here.
Many people love to say that X missile is the best but really almost all of them have a thing they’re best at so every missile has a time and place to use them
Aim-120 are the best for range at the edge of the envelope yes but I’d use it way more as a 20km missile
At the same time if someone shoots a mica at you from 10km you might as well start thinking about the next match because your ass is going back to the hangar
Edit: oh you said the exact same thing about mica in the video lol
Putting the AAM-4 in the C tier really makes me question your knowledge of the matter at hand...
yeah this dude seems never played with these missiles
Everything is AMAZING
Aim 120 i have fires 86 and 0 kills i only seem to get aim7m kills and aim 9ms what gives?? I have tried from 20 miles to 7 miles always misses...
RB Player: ThE MeTA DoEsnt SupPoRt ToP TiEr bvr
Sim Player: …you don’t even know TOP TIER..you don’t even know war, it’s just a game to you
Where is the AIM-54 Phoenix?
The AAM-4 is a really good missile
why
@@Anthony1102www It pulls better than the amraam
@@leazy911doesn’t matter. The aim 120 has better range and acceleration
@@leazy911 i wish aam4 is better, but Gaijin doesnt let it be
Irl yes... 😂😂
Personal tier list:
S AIM-120
A R-77 and MICA-EM
B Derby and Darter
I aint putting anything else because i didnt tried yet the PL-12 and AAM-4.
Bro was definitely high
An R77 will hit every shot a MICA can except within 3km off boresight which almost never happens.
Could that missile hit 50 irl? Some how I doubt it.
*cries in r-77*
why Derby S tier??
Best amraam
NEVER COOK AGAIN
Huh? I heard the AAM-4 was better than the AIM-120, even in the game.
Matt……question? Did you not sleep last night? How delusional were you made this list😂, AAM-4 at c-tier when its an objectively better aim-120 is crazy lol
This is about the game not real life lol
In game not real life. He said that due to the game limitations the aam 4 cannot be used to full potential
@@thatoneguy1741in game it still outperforms the amraam in every way. It just doesn't do it to the extent it should
@@tristanblair4453 true but in range the AIM-120A still beats it (30/09/24) but I'm sure they will fix it once the AIM-120C-5 and R-77-1 are added
I heard that python 3s get irccm irl gaijin?
No, the PL-8B is an upgraded variant of the Python 3 made by China that gets IRCCM, and it has been discussed that Gajin might add them to the J-10 if they feel it is necessary.
@@chugachuga9242 Oh thanks i mixed a couple of things together, turns out python 4s get irccm
The darter is trash
I've heard mee kha so many times, wouldn't it be mai kuh?
i thought the pl12 was gonna get a c tier
edit: bt ier
pl12 is insane wym?
@@bruhmomentum2901 cause of people saying like "oh... its chinese BAD quality d tier"
@@AiRbU380 Bro i played top tier on gripen and i can say with confidence that the only missle i've been dying to most of the time, is amraam or pl12, they're strongest atm.
The AAM-4 is better than the AMRAAM in close range. It pulls more than the AIM-120 and has more fin AOA. It has worse range than the AMRAAM but better at closer range.
I must be doing something wrong with the Darters cause they never hit anything...
No Fakour?????=(
Depending on altitude the AIM-120 is by far the best long range option.
At high altitude (10km ish) the AIM-120 is only the best when fired at 25km or more. However at low altitude (250m ish) the AIM-120 is superior to everything when fired at 8km or more.
And when considering fighting a good enemy, it is important to remember that they will be trying to drain your missile of energy, either by cranking or going cold. If you want to hit a player who knows what he is doing, AIM-120 is almost always the best option. The only exception to this is if you are at very close range or even in a dogfight. (though in dogfights the planes performance is more important than the missiles)
My point is that AIM-120 should definitely be S tier. Mat if you are reading this, you even made a video on the graphs showing that this was the case.
AAM-4 is basically identical to AAM-4 but AAM-4 turns better as well. its just better amraam
@@zeusgr6954 it certainly is not, even at close range the AIM-120 accelerates faster than the AAM-4, only at extremely close range (below 3km at low altitude) does the AAM-4 carry more energy than the AIM-120. Every distance above that and the AIM-120 will be the faster and more lethal missile. The turning capability is also only really important when fighting super close.
Though its model might look very close its performance is not.
Yeah and no, for starters if you playing a player that knows what they at 8km+ your missile is getting notched and chaffed there's no doubt about it chaff is overpowered, or he could multipath it.
The only exception to this is the Mica, R-77 and derby they seem to be better at tracking if you turn a bit too much out of your notch they re acquire pretty fast.
Off bore shots at 3-5km the 120 is pretty bad at those as it can't pull that well for a few seconds after launch. The 77 will definitely hit you and the Mica is not even a challenge.
It's not how it works. Mica, derby, pl-12 and r-77 has better acceleration (especially mica and derby) so near the ground at 10-15 km range (where the inferior drag doesn't affect much yet) they're better, than amraam, since they give less time, to notch, multipath or just react to them in any way
@@-..----.--.-... i didn’t come up with these Numbers, there is a Reddit post called “A change in rocket dynamics, as Well as a comparison of the behavior of rockets at altitude and at the bottom”
In the post there should be a ton of graphs including a graph where all the missiles and their speed is compared at 10km and at 250m.
Hold on bro,so far l would claim the following:
S-Mica & aim 120
B-derby & falkour
Z-r77🎉😢😅
the aam4 is just an amram
better amraam
No the aam-4 is worst
@@LitdabLitdab I'm sorry but u got like no idea
@@zeusgr6954 have you used the AAM-4 it’s a easy missle to dodge die to the lack of energy it has the TTH( time to hit) is horrible and a aim 120 will prob kill the target before your missle even gets close
@@LitdabLitdab have u even tested what u are saying
You forgot the Fakour90
He said at the start of the video that he didn’t include the Aim-54 and Fakour-90 because they aren’t top tier.
dude no no no the R-77 is by far the worse than the AAM-4
Mat, you didn't use the right flag for the V4 R-Darter😒
The modern South African flag was first used in 1994, and the darter entered service in 1995.
@@chugachuga9242 But was developed by
South Africa and not Kaffir South Africa
@@Kevin-wf6zu it’s a copy of the Derby
@@chugachuga9242 In-game no, IRL no. It was made before the Derby in WT but has most of the same values
@@Kevin-wf6zu😂😂😂 wow congratulations you've just committed a crime that's actually punishable by 2 years in prison
this list is just... so wrong... on so many things
bros throwing
There is nothing to be mad on matt
Derby is fast asf and very agile while have a lot of range
W jewish tech
yes it's "good" at a lot of thing but great at nothing, which is not really represented in game
Yahweh's arrow
@@joundii3100 ?
@@opalow_ its second ro bvr after amram jts the best missile to arb
Yahweh is the Hebrew name of God.
Never rate again bro
1 view after 1 second bro fell off
😂😂😂😂😂so funny😂😂😂😂😂
Shut up Tommy, tell ur gramma to give Tyler his hat back🙃
Never was funny
Yeah fell off right into your face
Almost everything in this video is wrong.
R-Darter sucks man, it just doesn't work as other FOX3s
R77 is the best
not really no... maybe the R-77M.
@@STRYKER1467no but the R-37M is.
@@STRYKER1467well the first r-77 was on par with the first aim-120s and the r-77-1 was also on par with the aim-120-c5-7
Best for rage
Nop
Wheres the fakour tho? 😂
Did you even watch the video? He said within the first like minute that he was only going to rank top tier Fox-3s
@@chugachuga9242 you realise i put a laughing emoji on rigth? Implying the fakour belongs at top tier.
another brain dead missile tier list