Looking to buy a used one of these. Perfect for us in terms of range (even in winter), size and spec. Taking an oldie to visit family 90 miles away is made easier with a heated rear seat with a centre armrest and the fact that they will need to stop at least once for a comfort break allows 15 minutes of splash and dash eliminating any perceived as opposed to actual issues over range.
I think 39 kwh paired with the Ioniq's incredible efficiency makes for a near perfect electric car for almost anybody. When deciding what EV to get I begrudgingly got up-sold to a Kona EV because I want to do long road trips (in Canada/USA). In my planning, 200km of highway range is just not enough to comfortably get from charger to charger, without an absurd number of stops per day, or bringing the battery dangerously low. However, the addition of 100+ km will bridge the gap and make this an electric car that makes no concessions in terms of long-range driving. 300+ km is the perfect entry level amount for an EV to be your primary vehicle, it will be capable of doing anything you need to do with it, be it driving cross-country, or just reliably going to work and back for people with an abnormally long daily commute.
Thanks for the detailed exposition, Duncan. The charging limitation is fine with me, if it prolongs battery life. The main consideration is efficiency, and the next is range. For most drivers in Britain, the charging speed is almost irrelevant. Relatively few journeys are for further than 200 miles / 300 kilometres, without a sensible break, and that's essentially a full charge. Overnight charging can be up to 12 to 14 hours without inconveniencing anyone. Looking forward to seeing the results of a decent test drive, and to Hyundai taking the sales of EV's more seriously. This deliberate throttling back of supply, with flimsy excuses about battery availability, just doesn't wash with me. If they mean business, they can strike a deal with any reputable battery manufacturer, and still sell plenty of cars, even if those battery deals mean a modest price increase. Even Tesla would supply cells to Hyundai, if they were given a suitable incentive to do so. The Tesla deal with Panasonic is drawing to a close, so Panasonic will be looking to expand their customer base, thus making them the obvious supplier with whom to strike a deal.
12 to 14 hours is too long and not practical at all. My Ioniq usually takes about 4 hours to recharge at home which is somewhat acceptable but would never ever buy an EV that needs 12-14 hours for a full charge.
A lot of negativity about the design here. I actually love all of the new details, exterior and interior, makes the car look more aggressive (appeals to the man in me). Especially the lights. But I think the charging time is a deal breaker unfortunately...
We have a 2019 Ioniq Electric (US), and we love it. We leased it, and are way above our allocated miles so far, as it's range is much more usable than we expected. Right now, you can lease a base Electric for $109/month with $2500 down. That's crazy, especially since my state (CA) will give you a $2500 check for getting one. Unfortunately, nobody has any idea right now, almost in November, if this redesign will be available in the US...
BDF02M Crazy cheap, there are deals in the UK on this but no where near as cheap. £260 (350USD?) for 10k miles with over 1k down. I don’t understand how the US lease companies make any money...
Much more usable with the larger battery, and so aerodynamic already (200+ miles are possible?). Reduced charging speed may be a deal breaker for traveling types, especially if the battery isn’t able to cool when charging. A good look for those interested in the sedan/hatchback shape. Hopefully the price doesn’t jump - and Hyundai can build them at an acceptable rate.
Price and availability will be key. For people who use the car within its ample range limits most of the time, the charging should be OK. Might be a nasty surprise rapid charging it for the first time on a long trip though...
@@ZeroTailpipe I will look with great interest, I prefer the older styling and 28kwh is enough for me. If they ruin the fast charging and make it slow like the 40kwh Leaf, bugger.
My only complaint about the Ioniq is that they have never put a long range battery in it. Put 50 plus kWh and up the DC charging rate slightly and it would have smashed the model 3 in most markets, US not included. Still, Hyundai know their business better than I do.
I had to buy a first gen Ioniq due to need for a new car, pricing and availability. I was considering upgrading to the 38.3kWh model when it becomes available, but I think the slower DC charging speed is a deal breaker for me. I can live with the new interior, but I hate the new grille and the new wheels are less attractive in my opinion. The various feature improvements are of course welcome, Australia already has app support of sorts. Looks like I will now upgrade to a Tesla Model 3 sometime in the future.
Gregory O'Sullivan yeah bro Tesla all the way mate. Model3 is a crazy good car for the money and don't forget free over the air updates for life. And Auto Pilot no one can beat Tesla
@@ZeroTailpipe Very poorly :( It is a slightly modified version of Hyundai's Autolink Premium app that they use for their ICE cars. Very limited functionality. There is a 3G module plugged into the OBDC port that communicates with Hyundai's servers. The app allows remote lock/unlock , start/stop, activate climate control, sound horn, activate hazard flashers. You can see some data from the car but it isn't updated it's frozen in time when the car was last stopped. So the battery SOC can't be monitored while charging! All your trips are uploaded to the Hyundai server so some analysis of your driving (eco score) is possible. Some privacy issues here I think.
There was a comment in Bjørns video that stated 23/33min charge time to 80% on 100/50kw chargers, Hyundai apparently used the kona 64 charging time. The maths seem to support it too, 360v*200A=72kw, 320v*200A=64kw max rate, so then it mostly depends on the charging profile and when it will throttle. Id wait for someone to it test to verify before spending the money though. It will be slower, but it should only be about 12% slower fast charging unless the pack can take higher amps. Heat might be an issue for multiple sessions too since its air cooled and a denser pack.
@@ZeroTailpipe It will be slow on any charger you put it on, it will peak at about 40 kW. Hyundai changed the supplier and battery chemistry, it has more capacity and range for the same weight, but it charges a lot slower. It became a good short road trip / mid-range commuter car - full stop.
Yeah, I think Hyundai would have changed the press release by now if it was an error. Seems they did go over to 622 from 523, was hoping they would use 811. On my calculations based on a 53m vs 25m(but i think its more advantages to only charge to 77%? What time is 10-77%?, added 5 mins per stop for getting in/out etc) time the old ioniq is faster on distances longer than 350km up to 10% faster on a 1100km distance, all theoretical though, but not a lot in the grand scheme of things.
@@xiziz Obviously the Ioniq has the same battery as the Kona 39 kWh. I have found only one picture of it's charging curve and it goes like this: cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/g3629/s1/hyundai-kona-electric-charging-rates-compared-39-kwh-vs-64-kwh.jpg All the other EVs have significantly different and /almost all but a few/ also better charging curves: pbs.twimg.com/media/DkGvO9GXsAA6Tkr.jpg The old Ioniq had a pretty small 30,5 kWh battery (28 kWh net capacity), but it could charge about 20 kWh of that capacity really fast, in less than 20 minutes, at a charging rate of 60-70 kW. The new Ioniq (==> Kona 39 kWh) will charge at some 35 kw (give or take). Once the battery is warm, the speed may actually drop go some 25 kW. While the first charging session with a cold battery and starting at some 15% to 65% at some 35 kW in 35-40 minutes, the second charging session with a warm battery should start at 5% and already drop off at 55%. Give or take to get these 50% of the battery (~20 kWh) charged it will take close to 40 minutes. This is somewhere in the class of Leaf 40 kWh and VW e-Golf 36 kWh. So yes, the new Ioniq is better than those two, but just by a margin due to a slightly bigger battery and better efficiency. They are having a play among themselves while totally missing that the Leaf 62 kWh, Kia e-Niro 64 kWh or even the in-house Hyundai Kona 64 kWh even exist. Yet alone the Model 3, be it Standard Plus. It leaves all of them in the dust, especially using Superchargers or HPC CCS chargers (in Europe). Even the Chevrolet Bolt 60 kWh charges significantly faster - and on long trips that one could be caught by the old Ioniq. Hyundai made the Ioniq 2019 fall in the line of other short-to-mid-range commuter cars with no real medium-to-long trip aspirations. It succeeds to be _slightly better_ than the Leaf 40 or the e-Golf, but not even an inch more. It has built in a few goodies that were missing in the old one (app support, limited SOC for better battery life) and it may be actually better on daily trips up to some 300 km (200 miles), but with the sacrifice for long trips. We'll see.
The new model around 38 minutes to 70% (200Km) versus the old model 94% 180 km in around 25-30 minutes(?). I'm still hesitante to buy the new one as fast chargers will go up from 175 kW, replacing the lower 50 to 100 kW chargers more and more. Some providers charge per minute, so will it become more costly over time as charging time has increased (new model 10% to 80% in 53 minutes) and lower-end DC chargers (50 to 100 kW) become less available.
Have you considered Tesla Model 3 SR+ or just the off-menu (can be ordered by phone or in the shops, but not online) SR? The latter may not even cost more than the Ioniq but has much more range, better efficiency when you most need it (highway speeds), more space for people and luggage, much MUCH faster charging, an easy-to-use, faster and cheaper charging network all over Europe, much more power, more fun to drive, and much more third party accessories, as well as autopilot and the possibility to upgrade to full self driving (many ifs and buts apply to this last point). I'm quite a fan of the Ioniq, but I think everyone else needs to lower their prices to remain competitive now that Model 3 has arrived. I think it's clearly a better car than Model S or X, and the SR starting at $35,000 shouldn't be much more than the Ioniq. SR+ is a bit more, but offers fantastic value, so in my view it's an even better choice for anyone who can afford it. (Tesla doesn't want to sell the SR, and the fact it can be bought off-menu is only because Tesla promised this price point when the Model 3 was launched back in 2016, and wants to be able to claim they are keeping that promise - although I think many find this a very strange and half-baked way of keeping promises!)
@@antoniozerkhfaoui1918 tesla is not available at all here where I live, we only have the Renault Zoe and MBV i3 and Hyundai ioniq (g1) and that's it. No tesla s, x, 3 or Kona or any other As for pricing we have the only one model of the Ioniq which is the top model and its the cheapest electric car, the Zoe cost a lot more and have less features and safety, i3 is the most expensive and i don't like it
Sal, agreed; the grille is not pretty. But most of the rest of the car is interesting. I'm hoping that Hyundai have managed to stop water ingress around the hatchback, with this iteration. Whereabouts are you based? The EV situation in your region doesn't sound too good at this time.
Compared to the Chevy Bolt, Nissan Leaf, Kia Niro etc... The new Ioniq gets similar range to the 60 kWh versions of these cars. Even with 'slow' DC charging it still takes a similar time to charge up a similar range for half the E cost. Unless charged by time. It is also cheaper and runs a similar range. Leaf 62 is not good in hot or cold temperatures. Offers similar range and repeated charging on long trips will have it taking twice as long to charge. Bolt is cheaper inside will take just as long to go just as far. Less cargo space. Kia E Niro costs lots more and while it charges faster it needs to charge 64 kWh battery not a 38 kWh battery. 64 kWh battery is 168% the size for a similar range. Charge speed is not 68% more than new Ioniq. Kona 39 charges at a similar rate but can't go as far. Costs more with less interior space.
Hi, do you know if it has adaptive cruise control? Wondering about that kerb weight being equal to 1st gen does not seem physically possible unless the battery chemistry has changed dramatically. Great report though.
Thanks, yeah, it has adaptive cruise - although always check your local spec. Hyundai has been known to add/delete options in different market regions. Battery chemistry has moved forward in terms of energy density. They may have snipped some weight here and there too... :)
Nope. It’s still there (you can see it on the right hand side of the engine bay footage). I think either the PHEV or the Hybrid IONIQ uses the HV battery pack instead...
I've subscribed your channel. Those tests are very useful! I wonder if I attach a brenthon badge on the front sensor will affect the function of the anti collision system. Can you test this? Thanks.
I think if the price of the top spec Ioniq is too close to the Model 3 sr+ people will go for the Tesla. The Ioniq needs to be a bargain compared to the model 3 for people to choose it
It won't even be close. A comparably equipped Model 3 would cost about $50,000 in the US. Granted, the Model 3 would have about 50% more total range, faster charging capability, and great looks, but it also wouldn't have a sunroof you can open, wouldn't support Apple Carplay or Android Auto, wouldn't have ventilated seats and does not include built-in wireless charging. Also, the Ioniq has a much more functional and bigger rear storage area since it's a hatch back.
Thanks a lot for all your tips and useful video’s! Really appreciate it! I just received my new Ioniq premium full electric 😀 I really like it, although some things need time to get used to. I am glad I have the Polar White one, which comes with the piano black nose/grill. What I do not like is the lame key. The remote can be detached from the ring with a little knob, so you can use a normal key in case of emergency. But it keeps on coming off spontanously, also with the second spare one. It is only a matter of time I will lose a remote, with all hassle involved. Is this a complaint more users experience? What can I do about it? Thanks for any advice! 👍 And excuse my English, I am Dutch. 😉
Thanks. I’ve had the same thing happen. Went to get into a friend’s car. Heard a ‘clunk’. My fob had detached from the spare internal key and fallen into the street. Lucky I spotted it. This was in Sweden and my car was in the U.K. at the time. Would not have been easy to recover the fob :)
This may be what you need, even with the poor charging speeds it still will charge to 80% in 54-57 minutes which is 100%+ of the 1st gen car. 69% should be 94% of 1st gen car. DC limit. Maybe 10 minutes longer maybe not charging time. But if you AC charge at 7.2 kW it will be faster and you can get a full charge over night at a hotel on holidays...
Very useful review. Thank you. I notice that 15" wheels are an option on the higher specs. I intuitively suspect a better ride on the 15" wheels than the17", but does it make any difference to range as far as you know?
Will be interesting when it arrives in Australia since we were last to get the original only since about Dec last year. I'm very happy with mine and the new one not sure I like the new dash & instrument cluster or nose cone design. Nose cone just looks like something for bugs to hit and get squished in nicely. Although we have App support on the Ioniq both trim levels it is very bad wondering if we be able to use new App as old one was ever so slightly adjusted for EV from ICE version, though car may need software update to use it I'm thinking.
Good point, given how recently the IONIQ was released in Australia. Hadn’t considered cleaning that nose cone. My flat one is full of flies right now. Yes, eek! Why do you consider the app support bad? We don’t have it here so genuinely interested :)
@@ZeroTailpipe Here is a review someone did so you have an idea what we get: www.drivezero.com.au/cars/review-hyundai-autolink-premium/ The review talks about two App levels well for the Ioniq EV both trim levels get the Premium App support.
The loss of "fast" charging is a real deal breaker for most of the People I know, myself included. With the old ioniq you could technicly beat an Etron on the longrange at highspeed. Now the ioniq is just another "slow" charging EV.
Looks like I was misled by salesman. I see on website that although the hybrid has 0 cost option of 15" wheels the ev does not. So please ignore question!!
Hi Zero tailpipe, thanks for a great introduction to the 2nd gen. I’ve got a 1st gen on order, due 12 June, but now I’m thinking of cancelling and waiting for the 2nd gen, or a Kona. At 13:50ish in the video you mention “the app is coming to to the 1st gen with a software update, using a WiFi hotspot”. Is this really true, or did I misunderstand? The lack of an app made me swither about ordering but in the end I went ahead. My other major annoyance was that Hyundai refuse to offer a sunroof as an option on the 1st gen, even though it is offered in (at least) the US, Canada, Australia, mainland Europe. Do you know if a sunroof will be offered in the UK on the 2nd gen? Doug
Thanks. Sorry I was not clear in the video. After a system update, and with a WiFi hotspot, you can access live weather, live charger locations and status - that kind of thing. It is separate from the app, came in an update for the 1st Gen, now appears to be standard in the 2nd Gen. I hope this helps?
I'm confused. Didn't Hyundai say that the on-board charger is capable of faster charging? The new one at 7.2kw and the old one is at 6.6kw. Why would they point that out if you can't charge the new model faster than the old one? Also, how long does it take to charge to 80% of capacity on the current model? I don't think he said. On the new one it takes 54 minutes to get to 80% so how long does it take to get to 80% on the 1st gen? It would be good to know how long it would take each car to get to a 100 mile range if you begin the charging with 10 miles of range left on the car. I guess you can extrapolate a number from the given information, but there always seems to be a real world difference by either the type of charger used or the weather. Well, if my math is correct, and using the numbers provided on range for the 2nd gen, the 2nd gen model would take 40 minutes to get 96 miles of range. So is the reviewer saying that the 1st gen would get to 96 miles of range in less time? If so, that would suck for the 2nd gen.
Thanks. For the onboard I think you’re right. I was imagining it was like the old ones, where they would assume it could pull 32A but was actually capped at 28A so wouldn’t draw more from an EVSE etc. For the rapid charging, I think you’re right. We’ll have to wait for some real world testing to assess if it’s good or bad, and how much so... :)
Mr ZT, i will take delivery of my IoniqEV soon. Mostly short trips so no stress. However some of your vids are demonising the public charge system. I rode my bike to Newmarket A14 service station and found most were out of order. I dont have range anxiety but public charging anxiety. Have you vids on various types and issues, and how to solve them. Cheers
Hi, these days I would recommend Polar, Instavolt and IONITY as the rapid charging networks of choice. PodPoint pretty good too. Not perfect but amongst the best out there. It’s still a fragmented mess of apps, subscriptions and only a few with contactless payment sadly. My 1,000 mile road trip video shows a few issues ... but I never did a systematic tour of different rapid chargers sorry
I always found the front seats great. Very adjustable - electric, with lumbar, plus the wheel adjusts for reach and height. And there are two seat memories. I spent many hours in them without issue. I can’t say much about the rear seats but they seemed OK too :)
@@ZeroTailpipe You got it second hand didnt you. What was the available charging range and mileage when you sold it? Bjorn Nyland prefers your version, not happy with the slow charging speed of the new one.
I have an app to heat or cool my ioniq , find, lock, unlock, security, honk the horn, drive battery percentage , 12volt ,tyre pressure, journeys, efficiency. And yes I've seen mind blowing efficiency figures , but always ruined by Melbourne traffic light
The Ioniq is an excellent car in many ways (the view out the rear is my main complaint about it), but please, stop referring to this mildly face-lifted version a "second generation". Nissan kinda ruined this for everyone with their "secund generation Leaf", because up until then, a car generation was pretty much universally agreed to mean what chassis/platform generation it was based on. But the Leaf is still the same chassis as in 2010 (when MY2011 launched). It's not really a new generation, the car hasn't been re-engineered, but it is a comprehensive facelift with a significantly different body and interior, including more rear legroom and a bigger boot. This Hyundai facelift is much less comprehensive than that, but I do think the changes really matter. Hyundai still states net energy for the battery pack, so you can be sure the gross capacity is over 40 kWh and there's both a top and of course a bottom buffer (not really optional on that end). You said something a bit silly about the charging rates. If you think about it, I'm sure you realise. Everything else equal, larger packs always charge faster than smaller ones in kW terms. After all, they are *packs*. So it's like asking what charges faster, one battery cell or two battery cells, and answering based on how many Watt charging power you can use. If the cells are the same and the charger doesn't have a relevant limitation, two cells charge at exactly the same time as one, because you charge both simultaneously. The power is double, and you gain miles twice as fast, so it is definitely very relevant stuff to take into consideration. But it is not strange, and it does not indicate better technology in one of the packs or anything like that. (This is also why batteries are usually NOT rated with how much power they can take, in W or kW, but rather by their C-rate, which is a capacity-relative rate. If you have a 40 kWh battery pack, 1C is equivalent to 40 kW, while for the 0.02 kWh pack in your cellphone, it is just 0.02 kW = 20 W.) The charging rate is worse than for your Ioniq because the more energy-dense chemistry now used lowers the C-rate of the cell - or, alternatively, the number of cycles before a given capacity loss would be expected. Using the same technology, there are some inherent advantages to using a big pack. Charging rate is one. Just as important, because you drive farther on each charging cycle, capacity loss happens more slowly. If pack A typically degrades 10% after 50,000 miles, you'd expect a 50% larger pack to degrade 10% after 75,000 miles (in the same vehicle) or slightly less due to a percent or two higher consumption from increased mass. But the engineers could perhaps also choose the same longevity and instead push the cells harder in the second pack, by using smaller buffers, or using higher C-rates for faster charger and a bigger power increase than the capacity increase. The facelift keeps Ioniq ahead of most of the competition IMHO, but personally I'd have a long, hard look at Tesla Model 3 SR+ before making any decisions. It will cost a little more, but offers much more range, space, power and prestige, at least some of which are factors that should be important for almost any buyer. Unlike Hyundai, Tesla actually wants to sell electric cars, as many as they can, not just enough to lower the fleet emissions average to make room for more profitable SUV sales (which is what every other manufacturer is currently doing).
dojohanson, the price point is important in Britain. The Model 3 SR+ will cost more than the 'luxury car' tax threshold of £40,000, thus incurring an additional ~£5,000 in costs, spread over the first few years of ownership. If Hyundai keep their price just below that threshold, then sales of the Ioniq will be noticeably higher here, assuming that they choose to match the market demand for the car.
Yes and no. It's not just a face lift because it also has a much larger batter and it's not just the outside of the car that has changed. In fact, the inside has changed much more than the outside. A face lift has usually referred to the outside of the car having a new front and rear end. The Tesla is way more expensive when comparable outfitted. It's about $15,000 more in the US. Both cars have their strengths and weaknesses. It all depends on you're preferences. Personally, there are three main issues with the Tesla. 1st, it doesn't have a sunroof you can open. 2nd, it doesn't support Apple Carplay or Android Auto. And 3rd, I don't like that you have to do just about everything through the fix mounted panel. I especially don't like that about 1/3 of that screen is always taken up by an graphical air view representation of the car. That seems like a huge waste. There is no way to hide that if you don't really need to see it at any given time. I also don't like that the trunk space is not as functional as the one on the Ioniq because the Ioniq is a hatchback design. Interesting why Tesla decided to change that compared to the Model S which is a hatchback. Lastly, I love the ventilated seats on the Ioniq. It's much more efficient way to cool your butt than turning on the A/C which is a battery hog. Again, it depends on what you think is important to you in a car. Of course, a $15,000 price difference is also a huge difference. And the question of reliability is a big one for Tesla compared to Hyundai that has one of the best warranties on the market.
It’s in the menus on the right hand side of the instrument cluster. Fiddle with the buttons on the right side of the steering wheel. LOTS of menus but it’s there :)
Zero Tailpipe thank you, didn’t realise I could go straight to that scroller without accessing another system first. I am going to set zero at my next charge. Ioniq is fabulous and suits my limo like driving style, just can’t help remembering the brochure quotes 170 miles range, I find I get no more than 134 miles after a 7kw home Charge cycle. Appreciate this calculates to 80% to help battery life but I will see how true miles relate to GOM miles as a 16 mile trip to work May use 12 miles of GOM, have you ever tried this idea? Thank you again....😊
So do I and I also prefer the looks of the interior displays (behind the steering wheel and infotainment). Esp I don't like all the blue touch buttons. The real buttons in the first gen feel very nice.
The new ioniq could have been great. 64kwh battery and the 201 hp motor that is in the kona/Niro. The specks in the 2.0 version isn't as good as the outgoing Nissan Leaf (40kwh version). Its numders are better than the Fiat, the Smart for 2 but little else. Even the i3 now has a larger battery and a ton more HP.
the Ioniq is not a specific electric car, so was the batteries simply trow in the trunk instead under the body like "real" electric cars: it's a pity because the aeroidynamics from the ioniq is excellent and garantee a correct range on road/highways despite a tiny battery...the only thing i don't like is all dark sad interior, same thing for the awailable body colors...
Id have bought an Ioniq over all the other options but due to the boot being very shallow its a no for me unfortunately. due to the fact I have a largish dog (Golden labrador) don't think my family would be happy if i got rid of the dog!! :(( another great video. Are you going to FCL in June? I am. be great to meet up if you are. cheers - Tim
@@ZeroTailpipe - Aahh, moving countries. yes we did that nearly 4 years ago. In Malta for now. good luck with the move. where you headed? or is it top secret?. great video as always. cheers Tim
@@ZeroTailpipe - Denmark is a great country. I cycled the length of it on my way to russia from Uk, back in 1995. I must have been mad but it was fun, most of the time. have family friends in Aarhus. Hope it goes well. so you going to sell the Ioniq?
@@ZeroTailpipe I spoke with a dealer today who said its within the next three months, I'm not sure if that's for preorders to start or actual cars shipping to the UK
But why did they only put a freaking 40kw battery for God sake? It will be 2020 when this comes out IF it does we need minimum 60kw they had the chance to do that and then they go for 40kw this makes me mad 😡 the modern family doesn't drive only 60miles we need to drive all around the uk and we want to go to Europe with the car as well. Also Model 3 will be more efficient than the IONIQ how strange this was the strong point of the IONIQ. I am disappointed I must say I was looking forward to see the new IONIQ and now this. So am afraid that it is going to be Tesla Model3 all the way.
Funny, I’ve been waiting for the Model3 for 3 years but now it’s launched it’s too expensive for me (if you include the luxury road tax in the Uk that will add another £1.5k) so now I’m looking at what else will fit my need. My first choice will be the VW ID on the 8th of May if that is still too expensive I’ll see how much this is.
@@ZeroTailpipe Doing a conversion, 136bhp = 101kw or closer to the 99kw someone else reported Bit sad its light compared to the Leaf as this is what it will be compared to. The Gen1 ioniq's handling was also mediocre to the Leaf I hope they have improved this. Certainly this looks like the future (second hand) EV for me (I need to tow for 2 years). ruclips.net/video/ilh4HLV4g_o/видео.html
@16:58 is there any official word that the voltage is less, or is it entirely based on speculation that LG Chem doesn’t know how to make difference sized cells? Common sense dictates that the new Ioniq is simply replacing their high power cells with high energy cells of the exact same size, which gives more energy in the same battery, same voltage, but it can’t charge at as high a C-rate. It would be pretty stupid to put a 320 Volt battery in the car because there are still plenty of 125A chargers, and that’s going to mean it’s going to start charging at 35 kW, still be limited to 40 kW @50% SOC, and never even come close to using 50 kW from the charger. That means every 50 kW DCFC that charges by the minute is going to cost you more per kWh. Is Hyundai really this stupid?
Zero Tailpipe, if that’s not a misprint, I think the new Ioniq is not going to do very well. It’s going to add range slower than the old model, and with more expensive fast charging sessions. Making this a city car suitable for at home charging. That’s a step in the wrong direction.
@@imho7250 It will sell well. They will sell as many as the can make. For longer distance trips it will still be quicker than the original one as you have a bigger battery to start with. So time from point A to point B will be quicker. As for the cells. As pack voltage had dropped and weight is the same it would indicate a lower amount of batteries with a higher capacity (say moving from 2500mAh to 3450mAh). Hopefully this will mean it's priced well below £30k basically keeping it in a class of it's own.
gavjlewis, it indicates a lower power cell is used, which charges slower. On a short trip it will have a tiny advantage, but on a real trip 1000 miles each way, the new one will have a disadvantage, costing more to charge slower. The Chevy Bolt uses the same low power cells, and it generally can never reach 50 kW on a 50 kW charger either because by time the surface voltage reaches 400v, the BMS is already throttling it. They may sell all they make because they don’t make as many as they can. But people will not like the slow charging of a 320v battery at $35¢/minute. The same person happy with a 40 kWh Leaf might be happy with a 38 kWh Ioniq. But if they are use to taking trios in their old Ioniq they will be disappointed with the new one, assuming the specs don’t change between now and then.
@@imho7250 Here in the UK nobody drives 1000 miles (that longer than the entire UK!) The average is 7900 miles for a whole year. Also here in the UK 99% of charges are 50kw chargers. Very few UK users will need more than one quick change per long trip which will be a lunch stop anyway. But yes if you are in the USA and drive 1000 mile trips (New York to Florida?) in one day (16+hrs) then it may be an issue and probably not the car for you.
Whats the point of hybrids? Expensive. Patetic range in E mode. Worse cold starts when suddenly changing to gas at cruising speed. In no time you have wasted the battery cycles and have to replace it. The small amount you saved gone up in smoke.
You have no idea what you're talking about. I've had my Prius for 15 years and still get about 52-53 MPG. Yes, I swapped out the hybrid battery in 2017 after about 230,000 miles. I currently have about 265,000 on the car and it's doing fine. The reconditioned battery replacement cost me $1200 and it's guaranteed for 18 months, but I'll be buying a new car this year. I'll probably end up getting the 2020 Ioniq plug-in hybrid. My daily commute is about 25 miles so no need to get a full EV for now because I'll be driving it in EV 99% of the time anyway. And I don't need to spend the extra money on installing a 2nd level charger in my garage which I would need to do if I got a full EV for me to charge it in a practical way.
I guess all systems are not fool proof but I had a teenager walk out in front of me at night in a poorly lit area and he realised what he’d done and did the worse thing and turned around I did brake but the car took over also and brought me to a rapid halt, I was so impressed, I am certain I manually would’ve stopped but the safety systems for this event were faultless. Great videos by the way.
Sorry, too much waffle and repetition. Harsh I know, but true for for. But of a shame as I'm an Ionic fan and was interested in the subject, but couldn't keep watching.
Agreed. I am afraid I now know what my students feel like after one of my lessons. Don't bore us, get to the chorus! Don't make a 20 minute video with 3 minutes worth of information. The current Ioniq hits some kind of sweet spot due to decent range/fast charging/high efficiency that makes its owner love it deeply. Those parameters have somewhat changed with the update, some better some slightly worse. Will that make them hit another sweetspot, or did they miss the mark? That is the interresting question, and this video spent the entire 20 minutes on what should have been the intro. Never got to the point. The other interresting question is the technical details as to why it seems like Hyundai won't be offering telemetry to the current owners even if they now have the infrastructure in place.
@@HenriZwols but the new ioniq with the larger battery does. that's why they reduce the charging rate to half, which pretty much happens with the rapid gate leaf. henri, please read it my post in context.
With the Model 3 now available, is the Ioniq a "Good Buy"? My response is YES... but I use different spelling. The Ioniq is a "Good Bye" car. Biggest drawback with all these legacy carmaker EV's is that to UPGRADE the car, you have to trade the old one in and get the latest model. Massively expensive. A couple of weeks ago, Tesla increased the range of their S and X by 10%... via a software update. Cost to owners? Nothing. S and X owners went to sleep one night, and the next morning had a BETTER CAR. New features are created and given to owners on a realtime bases... dog-mode, sentry mode, being two small examples. Rambling on at great length about things like "the shape of the grill" amounts to little more than vacuous waffle, and detracts from what really counts in these cars... How future-proof are they? Sadly, they aren't.
You can't physically change a car via software updates to increase the battery capacity. The only reason Tesla was able to do that ONCE is because they had a bigger buffer to begin with in the battery. So, you can think about it as them increasing the range. Or, you can think about them screwing you on the actual range to begin with. Also, the reliability of the Model 3 is still a big issue. Hyundai has one of the best warranties in the market.
Ps. You should be a car journalist, you are really good at explaining and discussing these cars.
Looking to buy a used one of these. Perfect for us in terms of range (even in winter), size and spec. Taking an oldie to visit family 90 miles away is made easier with a heated rear seat with a centre armrest and the fact that they will need to stop at least once for a comfort break allows 15 minutes of splash and dash eliminating any perceived as opposed to actual issues over range.
Thanks to your insight and well presented Ioniq reviews, I’m am now a new EV driver and took delivery of my 2021 Ioniq last week . 😀
Wonderful. Enjoy! :)
I think 39 kwh paired with the Ioniq's incredible efficiency makes for a near perfect electric car for almost anybody. When deciding what EV to get I begrudgingly got up-sold to a Kona EV because I want to do long road trips (in Canada/USA). In my planning, 200km of highway range is just not enough to comfortably get from charger to charger, without an absurd number of stops per day, or bringing the battery dangerously low. However, the addition of 100+ km will bridge the gap and make this an electric car that makes no concessions in terms of long-range driving. 300+ km is the perfect entry level amount for an EV to be your primary vehicle, it will be capable of doing anything you need to do with it, be it driving cross-country, or just reliably going to work and back for people with an abnormally long daily commute.
Thanks. Agreed :) The one concern is charging speed of the pack. Hopefully we’ll get to see the car soon then people can test it...
Thanks for the detailed exposition, Duncan. The charging limitation is fine with me, if it prolongs battery life. The main consideration is efficiency, and the next is range. For most drivers in Britain, the charging speed is almost irrelevant. Relatively few journeys are for further than 200 miles / 300 kilometres, without a sensible break, and that's essentially a full charge. Overnight charging can be up to 12 to 14 hours without inconveniencing anyone.
Looking forward to seeing the results of a decent test drive, and to Hyundai taking the sales of EV's more seriously. This deliberate throttling back of supply, with flimsy excuses about battery availability, just doesn't wash with me. If they mean business, they can strike a deal with any reputable battery manufacturer, and still sell plenty of cars, even if those battery deals mean a modest price increase. Even Tesla would supply cells to Hyundai, if they were given a suitable incentive to do so. The Tesla deal with Panasonic is drawing to a close, so Panasonic will be looking to expand their customer base, thus making them the obvious supplier with whom to strike a deal.
Thanks. I’m hoping I’ll get a drive if one at some point. I’m trying to build a contact with Hyundai. No idea if I’ll succeed...
12 to 14 hours is too long and not practical at all. My Ioniq usually takes about 4 hours to recharge at home which is somewhat acceptable but would never ever buy an EV that needs 12-14 hours for a full charge.
A lot of negativity about the design here. I actually love all of the new details, exterior and interior, makes the car look more aggressive (appeals to the man in me). Especially the lights. But I think the charging time is a deal breaker unfortunately...
Yeah it's look really good, i find it kinda futuristic
@@salemazzam6502 I agree
We have a 2019 Ioniq Electric (US), and we love it. We leased it, and are way above our allocated miles so far, as it's range is much more usable than we expected. Right now, you can lease a base Electric for $109/month with $2500 down. That's crazy, especially since my state (CA) will give you a $2500 check for getting one.
Unfortunately, nobody has any idea right now, almost in November, if this redesign will be available in the US...
Super prices :)
I got a quote today for $175/month for the Limited, with 15k miles.
BDF02M Crazy cheap, there are deals in the UK on this but no where near as cheap. £260 (350USD?) for 10k miles with over 1k down. I don’t understand how the US lease companies make any money...
Much more usable with the larger battery, and so aerodynamic already (200+ miles are possible?). Reduced charging speed may be a deal breaker for traveling types, especially if the battery isn’t able to cool when charging. A good look for those interested in the sedan/hatchback shape. Hopefully the price doesn’t jump - and Hyundai can build them at an acceptable rate.
Price and availability will be key. For people who use the car within its ample range limits most of the time, the charging should be OK. Might be a nasty surprise rapid charging it for the first time on a long trip though...
@@ZeroTailpipe I will look with great interest, I prefer the older styling and 28kwh is enough for me. If they ruin the fast charging and make it slow like the 40kwh Leaf, bugger.
My only complaint about the Ioniq is that they have never put a long range battery in it. Put 50 plus kWh and up the DC charging rate slightly and it would have smashed the model 3 in most markets, US not included.
Still, Hyundai know their business better than I do.
I had to buy a first gen Ioniq due to need for a new car, pricing and availability. I was considering upgrading to the 38.3kWh model when it becomes available, but I think the slower DC charging speed is a deal breaker for me. I can live with the new interior, but I hate the new grille and the new wheels are less attractive in my opinion. The various feature improvements are of course welcome, Australia already has app support of sorts.
Looks like I will now upgrade to a Tesla Model 3 sometime in the future.
Gregory O'Sullivan yeah bro Tesla all the way mate.
Model3 is a crazy good car for the money and don't forget free over the air updates for life. And Auto Pilot no one can beat Tesla
How does the app work in Australia?
@@antoniozerkhfaoui1918 where does he say he bought a tesla?
@@ZeroTailpipe Very poorly :( It is a slightly modified version of Hyundai's Autolink Premium app that they use for their ICE cars. Very limited functionality. There is a 3G module plugged into the OBDC port that communicates with Hyundai's servers. The app allows remote lock/unlock , start/stop, activate climate control, sound horn, activate hazard flashers. You can see some data from the car but it isn't updated it's frozen in time when the car was last stopped. So the battery SOC can't be monitored while charging! All your trips are uploaded to the Hyundai server so some analysis of your driving (eco score) is possible. Some privacy issues here I think.
@@gregoryosullivan how are you enjoying your car after 10 months?
There was a comment in Bjørns video that stated 23/33min charge time to 80% on 100/50kw chargers, Hyundai apparently used the kona 64 charging time. The maths seem to support it too, 360v*200A=72kw, 320v*200A=64kw max rate, so then it mostly depends on the charging profile and when it will throttle. Id wait for someone to it test to verify before spending the money though. It will be slower, but it should only be about 12% slower fast charging unless the pack can take higher amps. Heat might be an issue for multiple sessions too since its air cooled and a denser pack.
If there’s a portion it will charge really fast this will be useful for calculated splash-and-dash charging on longer runs, yes :)
@@ZeroTailpipe It will be slow on any charger you put it on, it will peak at about 40 kW. Hyundai changed the supplier and battery chemistry, it has more capacity and range for the same weight, but it charges a lot slower.
It became a good short road trip / mid-range commuter car - full stop.
Yeah, I think Hyundai would have changed the press release by now if it was an error. Seems they did go over to 622 from 523, was hoping they would use 811. On my calculations based on a 53m vs 25m(but i think its more advantages to only charge to 77%? What time is 10-77%?, added 5 mins per stop for getting in/out etc) time the old ioniq is faster on distances longer than 350km up to 10% faster on a 1100km distance, all theoretical though, but not a lot in the grand scheme of things.
@@xiziz Obviously the Ioniq has the same battery as the Kona 39 kWh. I have found only one picture of it's charging curve and it goes like this:
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All the other EVs have significantly different and /almost all but a few/ also better charging curves:
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The old Ioniq had a pretty small 30,5 kWh battery (28 kWh net capacity), but it could charge about 20 kWh of that capacity really fast, in less than 20 minutes, at a charging rate of 60-70 kW.
The new Ioniq (==> Kona 39 kWh) will charge at some 35 kw (give or take). Once the battery is warm, the speed may actually drop go some 25 kW. While the first charging session with a cold battery and starting at some 15% to 65% at some 35 kW in 35-40 minutes, the second charging session with a warm battery should start at 5% and already drop off at 55%. Give or take to get these 50% of the battery (~20 kWh) charged it will take close to 40 minutes.
This is somewhere in the class of Leaf 40 kWh and VW e-Golf 36 kWh.
So yes, the new Ioniq is better than those two, but just by a margin due to a slightly bigger battery and better efficiency.
They are having a play among themselves while totally missing that the Leaf 62 kWh, Kia e-Niro 64 kWh or even the in-house Hyundai Kona 64 kWh even exist.
Yet alone the Model 3, be it Standard Plus. It leaves all of them in the dust, especially using Superchargers or HPC CCS chargers (in Europe).
Even the Chevrolet Bolt 60 kWh charges significantly faster - and on long trips that one could be caught by the old Ioniq.
Hyundai made the Ioniq 2019 fall in the line of other short-to-mid-range commuter cars with no real medium-to-long trip aspirations. It succeeds to be _slightly better_ than the Leaf 40 or the e-Golf, but not even an inch more.
It has built in a few goodies that were missing in the old one (app support, limited SOC for better battery life) and it may be actually better on daily trips up to some 300 km (200 miles), but with the sacrifice for long trips. We'll see.
The new model around 38 minutes to 70% (200Km) versus the old model 94% 180 km in around 25-30 minutes(?). I'm still hesitante to buy the new one as fast chargers will go up from 175 kW, replacing the lower 50 to 100 kW chargers more and more. Some providers charge per minute, so will it become more costly over time as charging time has increased (new model 10% to 80% in 53 minutes) and lower-end DC chargers (50 to 100 kW) become less available.
I don't like the grill but everything else is amazing, im getting this one :)
Sal? It will cost the same as Model 3 with hell of lots less features and you can't beat the superchargers network
Have you considered Tesla Model 3 SR+ or just the off-menu (can be ordered by phone or in the shops, but not online) SR? The latter may not even cost more than the Ioniq but has much more range, better efficiency when you most need it (highway speeds), more space for people and luggage, much MUCH faster charging, an easy-to-use, faster and cheaper charging network all over Europe, much more power, more fun to drive, and much more third party accessories, as well as autopilot and the possibility to upgrade to full self driving (many ifs and buts apply to this last point).
I'm quite a fan of the Ioniq, but I think everyone else needs to lower their prices to remain competitive now that Model 3 has arrived. I think it's clearly a better car than Model S or X, and the SR starting at $35,000 shouldn't be much more than the Ioniq. SR+ is a bit more, but offers fantastic value, so in my view it's an even better choice for anyone who can afford it. (Tesla doesn't want to sell the SR, and the fact it can be bought off-menu is only because Tesla promised this price point when the Model 3 was launched back in 2016, and wants to be able to claim they are keeping that promise - although I think many find this a very strange and half-baked way of keeping promises!)
@@antoniozerkhfaoui1918 tesla is not available at all here where I live, we only have the Renault Zoe and MBV i3 and Hyundai ioniq (g1) and that's it. No tesla s, x, 3 or Kona or any other
As for pricing we have the only one model of the Ioniq which is the top model and its the cheapest electric car, the Zoe cost a lot more and have less features and safety, i3 is the most expensive and i don't like it
@@dojohansen123 yes but it's not available here at all. I don't know when it will be available. Also the Ioniq is cheapest EV available here
Sal, agreed; the grille is not pretty. But most of the rest of the car is interesting. I'm hoping that Hyundai have managed to stop water ingress around the hatchback, with this iteration.
Whereabouts are you based? The EV situation in your region doesn't sound too good at this time.
Compared to the Chevy Bolt, Nissan Leaf, Kia Niro etc... The new Ioniq gets similar range to the 60 kWh versions of these cars. Even with 'slow' DC charging it still takes a similar time to charge up a similar range for half the E cost. Unless charged by time. It is also cheaper and runs a similar range.
Leaf 62 is not good in hot or cold temperatures. Offers similar range and repeated charging on long trips will have it taking twice as long to charge. Bolt is cheaper inside will take just as long to go just as far. Less cargo space. Kia E Niro costs lots more and while it charges faster it needs to charge 64 kWh battery not a 38 kWh battery. 64 kWh battery is 168% the size for a similar range. Charge speed is not 68% more than new Ioniq.
Kona 39 charges at a similar rate but can't go as far. Costs more with less interior space.
Thanks. Good take on these EVs :)
Hi, do you know if it has adaptive cruise control? Wondering about that kerb weight being equal to 1st gen does not seem physically possible unless the battery chemistry has changed dramatically. Great report though.
Thanks, yeah, it has adaptive cruise - although always check your local spec. Hyundai has been known to add/delete options in different market regions.
Battery chemistry has moved forward in terms of energy density. They may have snipped some weight here and there too... :)
Thanks for the video, do you know if the Kona or the 2020 Ioniq electric have done away with the lead-acid battery for accessories?
Jay Atkinson watch Byorn nylan review he covers this topic
Nope. It’s still there (you can see it on the right hand side of the engine bay footage). I think either the PHEV or the Hybrid IONIQ uses the HV battery pack instead...
@@ZeroTailpipe is this on the 2020 model or the current model that they use the HV battery pack instead of the 12v?
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I'm surprised at just how nice the design is.
I've subscribed your channel. Those tests are very useful! I wonder if I attach a brenthon badge on the front sensor will affect the function of the anti collision system. Can you test this? Thanks.
Lower voltage on the battery 319.4V vs 360 V on the old version.
Yes
@@ZeroTailpipe so a chemistry change as a longevity overhead?
I think if the price of the top spec Ioniq is too close to the Model 3 sr+ people will go for the Tesla. The Ioniq needs to be a bargain compared to the model 3 for people to choose it
Pricing will be key, yes
It won't even be close. A comparably equipped Model 3 would cost about $50,000 in the US. Granted, the Model 3 would have about 50% more total range, faster charging capability, and great looks, but it also wouldn't have a sunroof you can open, wouldn't support Apple Carplay or Android Auto, wouldn't have ventilated seats and does not include built-in wireless charging. Also, the Ioniq has a much more functional and bigger rear storage area since it's a hatch back.
Thanks a lot for all your tips and useful video’s! Really appreciate it! I just received my new Ioniq premium full electric 😀 I really like it, although some things need time to get used to. I am glad I have the Polar White one, which comes with the piano black nose/grill. What I do not like is the lame key. The remote can be detached from the ring with a little knob, so you can use a normal key in case of emergency. But it keeps on coming off spontanously, also with the second spare one. It is only a matter of time I will lose a remote, with all hassle involved. Is this a complaint more users experience? What can I do about it? Thanks for any advice! 👍 And excuse my English, I am Dutch. 😉
Thanks. I’ve had the same thing happen. Went to get into a friend’s car. Heard a ‘clunk’. My fob had detached from the spare internal key and fallen into the street. Lucky I spotted it. This was in Sweden and my car was in the U.K. at the time. Would not have been easy to recover the fob :)
This may be what you need, even with the poor charging speeds it still will charge to 80% in 54-57 minutes which is 100%+ of the 1st gen car. 69% should be 94% of 1st gen car. DC limit. Maybe 10 minutes longer maybe not charging time. But if you AC charge at 7.2 kW it will be faster and you can get a full charge over night at a hotel on holidays...
Very useful review. Thank you. I notice that 15" wheels are an option on the higher specs. I intuitively suspect a better ride on the 15" wheels than the17", but does it make any difference to range as far as you know?
Will be interesting when it arrives in Australia since we were last to get the original only since about Dec last year. I'm very happy with mine and the new one not sure I like the new dash & instrument cluster or nose cone design. Nose cone just looks like something for bugs to hit and get squished in nicely. Although we have App support on the Ioniq both trim levels it is very bad wondering if we be able to use new App as old one was ever so slightly adjusted for EV from ICE version, though car may need software update to use it I'm thinking.
Good point, given how recently the IONIQ was released in Australia. Hadn’t considered cleaning that nose cone. My flat one is full of flies right now. Yes, eek!
Why do you consider the app support bad? We don’t have it here so genuinely interested :)
@@ZeroTailpipe Here is a review someone did so you have an idea what we get: www.drivezero.com.au/cars/review-hyundai-autolink-premium/
The review talks about two App levels well for the Ioniq EV both trim levels get the Premium App support.
There is a quick fix to the grill! Wrap it! They seem to sell well in Canada!
Great review. Looks like a impressive car. Wonder how many months it would take to get one.
This is a major concern, yes
Thank you for another excellent thorough review. It would be great if you could review the Kia e niro in a similar way.
If I can get in one, yes :)
What an amazing CAR! I want one now. :)
The loss of "fast" charging is a real deal breaker for most of the People I know, myself included. With the old ioniq you could technicly beat an Etron on the longrange at highspeed. Now the ioniq is just another "slow" charging EV.
Makes me glad I'm getting the original.
yes thats true ...
Looks like I was misled by salesman. I see on website that although the hybrid has 0 cost option of 15" wheels the ev does not. So please ignore question!!
Hi Zero tailpipe, thanks for a great introduction to the 2nd gen. I’ve got a 1st gen on order, due 12 June, but now I’m thinking of cancelling and waiting for the 2nd gen, or a Kona.
At 13:50ish in the video you mention “the app is coming to to the 1st gen with a software update, using a WiFi hotspot”. Is this really true, or did I misunderstand? The lack of an app made me swither about ordering but in the end I went ahead.
My other major annoyance was that Hyundai refuse to offer a sunroof as an option on the 1st gen, even though it is offered in (at least) the US, Canada, Australia, mainland Europe. Do you know if a sunroof will be offered in the UK on the 2nd gen?
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Thanks. Sorry I was not clear in the video. After a system update, and with a WiFi hotspot, you can access live weather, live charger locations and status - that kind of thing. It is separate from the app, came in an update for the 1st Gen, now appears to be standard in the 2nd Gen. I hope this helps?
Thanks - yes that clarifies it
I'm confused. Didn't Hyundai say that the on-board charger is capable of faster charging? The new one at 7.2kw and the old one is at 6.6kw. Why would they point that out if you can't charge the new model faster than the old one? Also, how long does it take to charge to 80% of capacity on the current model? I don't think he said. On the new one it takes 54 minutes to get to 80% so how long does it take to get to 80% on the 1st gen? It would be good to know how long it would take each car to get to a 100 mile range if you begin the charging with 10 miles of range left on the car. I guess you can extrapolate a number from the given information, but there always seems to be a real world difference by either the type of charger used or the weather.
Well, if my math is correct, and using the numbers provided on range for the 2nd gen, the 2nd gen model would take 40 minutes to get 96 miles of range. So is the reviewer saying that the 1st gen would get to 96 miles of range in less time? If so, that would suck for the 2nd gen.
Thanks. For the onboard I think you’re right. I was imagining it was like the old ones, where they would assume it could pull 32A but was actually capped at 28A so wouldn’t draw more from an EVSE etc.
For the rapid charging, I think you’re right. We’ll have to wait for some real world testing to assess if it’s good or bad, and how much so... :)
Mr ZT, i will take delivery of my IoniqEV soon. Mostly short trips so no stress. However some of your vids are demonising the public charge system. I rode my bike to Newmarket A14 service station and found most were out of order. I dont have range anxiety but public charging anxiety. Have you vids on various types and issues, and how to solve them. Cheers
Hi, these days I would recommend Polar, Instavolt and IONITY as the rapid charging networks of choice. PodPoint pretty good too. Not perfect but amongst the best out there. It’s still a fragmented mess of apps, subscriptions and only a few with contactless payment sadly. My 1,000 mile road trip video shows a few issues ... but I never did a systematic tour of different rapid chargers sorry
Thanks - i will check online
I heard the seats in the Ionic are not very good? Any comments?
I always found the front seats great. Very adjustable - electric, with lumbar, plus the wheel adjusts for reach and height. And there are two seat memories. I spent many hours in them without issue. I can’t say much about the rear seats but they seemed OK too :)
How much loss in range did you notice over time in your original ioniq?
None that was noticeable. I just got better at driving efficiently over time...
@@ZeroTailpipe You got it second hand didnt you. What was the available charging range and mileage when you sold it? Bjorn Nyland prefers your version, not happy with the slow charging speed of the new one.
I have an app to heat or cool my ioniq , find, lock, unlock, security, honk the horn, drive battery percentage , 12volt ,tyre pressure, journeys, efficiency. And yes I've seen mind blowing efficiency figures , but always ruined by Melbourne traffic light
Does the app heat/cool when the IONIQ is not plugged in? Interested to know, thanks
@@ZeroTailpipe www.drivezero.com.au/cars/review-hyundai-autolink-premium/
The Ioniq is an excellent car in many ways (the view out the rear is my main complaint about it), but please, stop referring to this mildly face-lifted version a "second generation".
Nissan kinda ruined this for everyone with their "secund generation Leaf", because up until then, a car generation was pretty much universally agreed to mean what chassis/platform generation it was based on. But the Leaf is still the same chassis as in 2010 (when MY2011 launched). It's not really a new generation, the car hasn't been re-engineered, but it is a comprehensive facelift with a significantly different body and interior, including more rear legroom and a bigger boot.
This Hyundai facelift is much less comprehensive than that, but I do think the changes really matter.
Hyundai still states net energy for the battery pack, so you can be sure the gross capacity is over 40 kWh and there's both a top and of course a bottom buffer (not really optional on that end).
You said something a bit silly about the charging rates. If you think about it, I'm sure you realise. Everything else equal, larger packs always charge faster than smaller ones in kW terms. After all, they are *packs*. So it's like asking what charges faster, one battery cell or two battery cells, and answering based on how many Watt charging power you can use. If the cells are the same and the charger doesn't have a relevant limitation, two cells charge at exactly the same time as one, because you charge both simultaneously. The power is double, and you gain miles twice as fast, so it is definitely very relevant stuff to take into consideration. But it is not strange, and it does not indicate better technology in one of the packs or anything like that. (This is also why batteries are usually NOT rated with how much power they can take, in W or kW, but rather by their C-rate, which is a capacity-relative rate. If you have a 40 kWh battery pack, 1C is equivalent to 40 kW, while for the 0.02 kWh pack in your cellphone, it is just 0.02 kW = 20 W.)
The charging rate is worse than for your Ioniq because the more energy-dense chemistry now used lowers the C-rate of the cell - or, alternatively, the number of cycles before a given capacity loss would be expected.
Using the same technology, there are some inherent advantages to using a big pack. Charging rate is one. Just as important, because you drive farther on each charging cycle, capacity loss happens more slowly. If pack A typically degrades 10% after 50,000 miles, you'd expect a 50% larger pack to degrade 10% after 75,000 miles (in the same vehicle) or slightly less due to a percent or two higher consumption from increased mass. But the engineers could perhaps also choose the same longevity and instead push the cells harder in the second pack, by using smaller buffers, or using higher C-rates for faster charger and a bigger power increase than the capacity increase.
The facelift keeps Ioniq ahead of most of the competition IMHO, but personally I'd have a long, hard look at Tesla Model 3 SR+ before making any decisions. It will cost a little more, but offers much more range, space, power and prestige, at least some of which are factors that should be important for almost any buyer. Unlike Hyundai, Tesla actually wants to sell electric cars, as many as they can, not just enough to lower the fleet emissions average to make room for more profitable SUV sales (which is what every other manufacturer is currently doing).
Interesting points, thanks :) And perhaps it’s Gen 1.5...?
dojohanson, the price point is important in Britain. The Model 3 SR+ will cost more than the 'luxury car' tax threshold of £40,000, thus incurring an additional ~£5,000 in costs, spread over the first few years of ownership. If Hyundai keep their price just below that threshold, then sales of the Ioniq will be noticeably higher here, assuming that they choose to match the market demand for the car.
Yes and no. It's not just a face lift because it also has a much larger batter and it's not just the outside of the car that has changed. In fact, the inside has changed much more than the outside. A face lift has usually referred to the outside of the car having a new front and rear end.
The Tesla is way more expensive when comparable outfitted. It's about $15,000 more in the US. Both cars have their strengths and weaknesses. It all depends on you're preferences. Personally, there are three main issues with the Tesla. 1st, it doesn't have a sunroof you can open. 2nd, it doesn't support Apple Carplay or Android Auto. And 3rd, I don't like that you have to do just about everything through the fix mounted panel. I especially don't like that about 1/3 of that screen is always taken up by an graphical air view representation of the car. That seems like a huge waste. There is no way to hide that if you don't really need to see it at any given time. I also don't like that the trunk space is not as functional as the one on the Ioniq because the Ioniq is a hatchback design. Interesting why Tesla decided to change that compared to the Model S which is a hatchback. Lastly, I love the ventilated seats on the Ioniq. It's much more efficient way to cool your butt than turning on the A/C which is a battery hog. Again, it depends on what you think is important to you in a car. Of course, a $15,000 price difference is also a huge difference. And the question of reliability is a big one for Tesla compared to Hyundai that has one of the best warranties on the market.
Hi, Trying to find a mileage "Trip" meter , there must be one somewhere....?
It’s in the menus on the right hand side of the instrument cluster. Fiddle with the buttons on the right side of the steering wheel. LOTS of menus but it’s there :)
Zero Tailpipe thank you, didn’t realise I could go straight to that scroller without accessing another system first. I am going to set zero at my next charge. Ioniq is fabulous and suits my limo like driving style, just can’t help remembering the brochure quotes 170 miles range, I find I get no more than 134 miles after a 7kw home Charge cycle. Appreciate this calculates to 80% to help battery life but I will see how true miles relate to GOM miles as a 16 mile trip to work May use 12 miles of GOM, have you ever tried this idea? Thank you again....😊
Do you know if it's liquid cooled ?
It isn't. It's actively air cooled.
Bader Jamal, it's not liquid cooled am afraid
Are there any idea what the price could be for Denmark?
Thanks. Not yet. Trying to follow up with Hyundai Europe...
Thanks 👍🏻🙂
Does the VESS light up when on or off?
I think it does... Hard to remember...
Light is on when the sound is on.
I prefer the smooth nose cone of 28kWh.
Me too :)
So do I and I also prefer the looks of the interior displays (behind the steering wheel and infotainment). Esp I don't like all the blue touch buttons. The real buttons in the first gen feel very nice.
The new ioniq could have been great. 64kwh battery and the 201 hp motor that is in the kona/Niro. The specks in the 2.0 version isn't as good as the outgoing Nissan Leaf (40kwh version). Its numders are better than the Fiat, the Smart for 2 but little else. Even the i3 now has a larger battery and a ton more HP.
The body design is quite limiting it seems. Hyundai didn’t plan for doubling the battery from the outset, perhaps...
@@ZeroTailpipe maybe so but with a slight redesign they could have made model 3 light instead of leaf 2.0 light.
the Ioniq is not a specific electric car, so was the batteries simply trow in the trunk instead under the body like "real" electric cars: it's a pity because the aeroidynamics from the ioniq is excellent and garantee a correct range on road/highways despite a tiny battery...the only thing i don't like is all dark sad interior, same thing for the awailable body colors...
@@leneanderthalien if you can't fit a 64kwh battery in the ioniq then a redesign was in order. Not this.
Id have bought an Ioniq over all the other options but due to the boot being very shallow its a no for me unfortunately. due to the fact I have a largish dog (Golden labrador) don't think my family would be happy if i got rid of the dog!! :(( another great video. Are you going to FCL in June? I am. be great to meet up if you are. cheers - Tim
Thanks. June is going to be chaotic if my move out of the U.K. goes ahead. Otherwise Fully Charged Live would have been great...
@@ZeroTailpipe - Aahh, moving countries. yes we did that nearly 4 years ago. In Malta for now. good luck with the move. where you headed? or is it top secret?. great video as always. cheers Tim
Denmark most likely... ;)
@@ZeroTailpipe - Denmark is a great country. I cycled the length of it on my way to russia from Uk, back in 1995. I must have been mad but it was fun, most of the time. have family friends in Aarhus. Hope it goes well. so you going to sell the Ioniq?
Possibly selling IONIQ. Next video likely to be about it :)
Does anyone know when will see this version in the uk yet?
No news yet :(
@@ZeroTailpipe I spoke with a dealer today who said its within the next three months, I'm not sure if that's for preorders to start or actual cars shipping to the UK
But why did they only put a freaking 40kw battery for God sake? It will be 2020 when this comes out IF it does we need minimum 60kw they had the chance to do that and then they go for 40kw this makes me mad 😡 the modern family doesn't drive only 60miles we need to drive all around the uk and we want to go to Europe with the car as well. Also Model 3 will be more efficient than the IONIQ how strange this was the strong point of the IONIQ. I am disappointed I must say I was looking forward to see the new IONIQ and now this. So am afraid that it is going to be Tesla Model3 all the way.
Space constraints in the platform design, I think...
Funny, I’ve been waiting for the Model3 for 3 years but now it’s launched it’s too expensive for me (if you include the luxury road tax in the Uk that will add another £1.5k) so now I’m looking at what else will fit my need. My first choice will be the VW ID on the 8th of May if that is still too expensive I’ll see how much this is.
What did you buy in the end.
i like this Car
:)
Excellent. Very well done. Subscribed!!
Thanks :)
Neck pain mounts because of poor seating....
you need to buy a subscription for bluelink though.
:(
113kw or 99kw? Ive heard 99kw
The spec chart I saw says 100kW
Maybe I misread it... 113kW seemed wrong for the 136 BHP stayed elsewhere...
@@ZeroTailpipe Doing a conversion, 136bhp = 101kw or closer to the 99kw someone else reported Bit sad its light compared to the Leaf as this is what it will be compared to. The Gen1 ioniq's handling was also mediocre to the Leaf I hope they have improved this. Certainly this looks like the future (second hand) EV for me (I need to tow for 2 years). ruclips.net/video/ilh4HLV4g_o/видео.html
Whatever the price is for the new ioniq remember $5000 more is about $100 more per month over 5 years
Eric Johnson yes andbtgatsbwhy I will go for the model 3
It's only 83 more. Remember a year has 12 months.
@@JohnDoe-vx3z most loans have interest.
Why this price 39 000 ?
I don’t think the price has been announced yet...?
Excellent vid.
Thanks :)
I travel 100 km every day would this car be a good buy for me then?
Yes. On that use profile - and if you can charge easily at home ;)
@@ZeroTailpipe this is the issue, I cannot charge at home :(
Great review, subbed :-)
Thanks :)
@16:58 is there any official word that the voltage is less, or is it entirely based on speculation that LG Chem doesn’t know how to make difference sized cells? Common sense dictates that the new Ioniq is simply replacing their high power cells with high energy cells of the exact same size, which gives more energy in the same battery, same voltage, but it can’t charge at as high a C-rate.
It would be pretty stupid to put a 320 Volt battery in the car because there are still plenty of 125A chargers, and that’s going to mean it’s going to start charging at 35 kW, still be limited to 40 kW @50% SOC, and never even come close to using 50 kW from the charger. That means every 50 kW DCFC that charges by the minute is going to cost you more per kWh. Is Hyundai really this stupid?
The voltage is stated in Hyundai’s press materials
Zero Tailpipe, if that’s not a misprint, I think the new Ioniq is not going to do very well. It’s going to add range slower than the old model, and with more expensive fast charging sessions. Making this a city car suitable for at home charging. That’s a step in the wrong direction.
@@imho7250 It will sell well. They will sell as many as the can make. For longer distance trips it will still be quicker than the original one as you have a bigger battery to start with. So time from point A to point B will be quicker.
As for the cells. As pack voltage had dropped and weight is the same it would indicate a lower amount of batteries with a higher capacity (say moving from 2500mAh to 3450mAh). Hopefully this will mean it's priced well below £30k basically keeping it in a class of it's own.
gavjlewis, it indicates a lower power cell is used, which charges slower. On a short trip it will have a tiny advantage, but on a real trip 1000 miles each way, the new one will have a disadvantage, costing more to charge slower. The Chevy Bolt uses the same low power cells, and it generally can never reach 50 kW on a 50 kW charger either because by time the surface voltage reaches 400v, the BMS is already throttling it.
They may sell all they make because they don’t make as many as they can. But people will not like the slow charging of a 320v battery at $35¢/minute. The same person happy with a 40 kWh Leaf might be happy with a 38 kWh Ioniq. But if they are use to taking trios in their old Ioniq they will be disappointed with the new one, assuming the specs don’t change between now and then.
@@imho7250 Here in the UK nobody drives 1000 miles (that longer than the entire UK!) The average is 7900 miles for a whole year.
Also here in the UK 99% of charges are 50kw chargers.
Very few UK users will need more than one quick change per long trip which will be a lunch stop anyway.
But yes if you are in the USA and drive 1000 mile trips (New York to Florida?) in one day (16+hrs) then it may be an issue and probably not the car for you.
Great review mate
Thanks :)
That's fine 🤌🏻
No very slow charging destroying the overall view
@sal where do you live ?
Detects cyclists you say? I'm in!
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My Hyundai ionic hybrid detects cyclists it's a late 2018 model
You get 10 points for a cyclist . Only 1 point for old ladies carrying groceries .
Good👍
Whats the point of hybrids?
Expensive.
Patetic range in E mode.
Worse cold starts when suddenly changing to gas at cruising speed.
In no time you have wasted the battery cycles and have to replace it. The small amount you saved gone up in smoke.
You have no idea what you're talking about. I've had my Prius for 15 years and still get about 52-53 MPG. Yes, I swapped out the hybrid battery in 2017 after about 230,000 miles. I currently have about 265,000 on the car and it's doing fine. The reconditioned battery replacement cost me $1200 and it's guaranteed for 18 months, but I'll be buying a new car this year. I'll probably end up getting the 2020 Ioniq plug-in hybrid. My daily commute is about 25 miles so no need to get a full EV for now because I'll be driving it in EV 99% of the time anyway. And I don't need to spend the extra money on installing a 2nd level charger in my garage which I would need to do if I got a full EV for me to charge it in a practical way.
1st gen does see people and cyclists in my experience
Me too, but the manual has cautions about it (they’re in an earlier video...)
I guess all systems are not fool proof but I had a teenager walk out in front of me at night in a poorly lit area and he realised what he’d done and did the worse thing and turned around I did brake but the car took over also and brought me to a rapid halt, I was so impressed, I am certain I manually would’ve stopped but the safety systems for this event were faultless. Great videos by the way.
Sorry, too much waffle and repetition. Harsh I know, but true for for. But of a shame as I'm an Ionic fan and was interested in the subject, but couldn't keep watching.
Agreed. I am afraid I now know what my students feel like after one of my lessons. Don't bore us, get to the chorus! Don't make a 20 minute video with 3 minutes worth of information.
The current Ioniq hits some kind of sweet spot due to decent range/fast charging/high efficiency that makes its owner love it deeply. Those parameters have somewhat changed with the update, some better some slightly worse. Will that make them hit another sweetspot, or did they miss the mark?
That is the interresting question, and this video spent the entire 20 minutes on what should have been the intro. Never got to the point.
The other interresting question is the technical details as to why it seems like Hyundai won't be offering telemetry to the current owners even if they now have the infrastructure in place.
@Moto Z Play ?
Everything is great except the front grill. That looks ugly af
It’s a bizarre design choice :)
Plug in is better
Don’t trust him probably he works for Hundai to promote this vehicle...it’s not good for regular drive due to heavy neck apain....
hyundai hasn't learned from the nissan leaf
How's that?
@@HenriZwols
mate, i am not your private investigator. do some research on your own
i give you a hint, google "rapid gate"
@@ursodermatt8809 Ioniq (current Ioniq) does not rapid gate.
@@HenriZwols
but the new ioniq with the larger battery does. that's why they reduce the charging rate to half, which pretty much happens with the rapid gate leaf.
henri, please read it my post in context.
CHARGES LIKE A PIECE OF SHIT STICK TO THE FIRST GEN
Thanks. Agreed. It needs some caution on that :)
With the Model 3 now available, is the Ioniq a "Good Buy"? My response is YES... but I use different spelling. The Ioniq is a "Good Bye" car.
Biggest drawback with all these legacy carmaker EV's is that to UPGRADE the car, you have to trade the old one in and get the latest model. Massively expensive. A couple of weeks ago, Tesla increased the range of their S and X by 10%... via a software update. Cost to owners? Nothing.
S and X owners went to sleep one night, and the next morning had a BETTER CAR.
New features are created and given to owners on a realtime bases... dog-mode, sentry mode, being two small examples.
Rambling on at great length about things like "the shape of the grill" amounts to little more than vacuous waffle, and detracts from what really counts in these cars... How future-proof are they? Sadly, they aren't.
You can't physically change a car via software updates to increase the battery capacity. The only reason Tesla was able to do that ONCE is because they had a bigger buffer to begin with in the battery. So, you can think about it as them increasing the range. Or, you can think about them screwing you on the actual range to begin with. Also, the reliability of the Model 3 is still a big issue. Hyundai has one of the best warranties in the market.
You're English, you should be able to say Hyundai correctly 😒
Not a review. Just 20 minutes of prattling on... 🙁