Lord of the Flies - Thug Notes Summary and Analysis

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  • Опубликовано: 22 дек 2024

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  • @jackleeper6310
    @jackleeper6310 8 лет назад +3661

    oh man... Just picture the pure amount of awkwardness of the boat trip back home...

    • @kris242
      @kris242 5 лет назад +264

      @Coley Durham I would friggen LOVE to see a "Where Are They Now?" story of these kids :P I bet Jack is the head of an evil corporation and Ralph is an alcoholic on the streets cuz he can't deal with the madness of reality.

    • @raspberrycrowns9494
      @raspberrycrowns9494 5 лет назад +74

      @@kris242
      I'd honestly imagine Jack to go all Patrick Bateman

    • @raspberrycrowns9494
      @raspberrycrowns9494 5 лет назад +6

      Or maybe Roger idk

    • @fredarok579
      @fredarok579 5 лет назад +11

      And Piggy is *dead.*

    • @mr.shepherdspie7958
      @mr.shepherdspie7958 4 года назад +9

      @@chloe-ev3qk yeah, basically a sociopath

  • @johnmiller2132
    @johnmiller2132 9 лет назад +3264

    Love how Piggy's stick figure is drawn with a thick crayon.
    Because he's fat.

    • @liamkearton9696
      @liamkearton9696 9 лет назад +37

      +John Miller huh, hadn't noticed that

    • @Thewritingelf
      @Thewritingelf 7 лет назад +12

      John Miller Thought I was the only one who noticed that lol

    • @coolgirlraquel
      @coolgirlraquel 7 лет назад +29

      John Miller he just thicc

    • @Yzzo1
      @Yzzo1 7 лет назад +2

      John Miller oh wow no shit sherlock

    • @katoklips9846
      @katoklips9846 6 лет назад +5

      T H I C C

  • @EpicLLOYD
    @EpicLLOYD 11 лет назад +3198

    this is the only way i can analyze books now. also R.I.P. piggy

    • @ILikePi31415926535
      @ILikePi31415926535 10 лет назад +73

      ***** Yeah. I always found it sad how at the end when the captain asks how many people died on the island, Ralph says 2, having completely forgotten the kid with the birthmark.

    • @doommagic
      @doommagic 10 лет назад +35

      Oh my god...EpicLLOYD approved of Thug Notes. *EpicLLOYD* approved of Thug Notes. RUclips royalty thinks Thug Notes is cool. *spazzes* CROSSOVER WITH ERB! MAKE IT HAPPEN!!

    • @smashroid9813
      @smashroid9813 10 лет назад +3

      yay erb

    • @jerimiahjohnson8113
      @jerimiahjohnson8113 10 лет назад +5

      ERB like thug notes omg

    • @tishainot105
      @tishainot105 10 лет назад +3

      Doommagic YES OMG MAKE IT HAPPEN ERB

  • @andro7862
    @andro7862 8 лет назад +1246

    'Little white boys losing their mind' that line always cracks me up for some reason xD

  • @beveie123
    @beveie123 9 лет назад +2521

    You missed the whole point of Piggy's death. He wasn't just "thrown off a cliff", he was hit by a giant rock that was pushed by the savage Roger who was overcome with bloodlust. Piggy represented Prometheus, a god who gave humans fire but then he was punished by Zeus by being chained to a rock and getting his liver eaten out by a vulture everyday. This idea adds on to how the superego, sense of morality or reason which Piggy and Prometheus possessed, will be destroyed and conquered by the savage human id, natural instinct. Just putting that out there, awesome video! :D

    • @XerosXIII
      @XerosXIII 9 лет назад +102

      dang, that just show how deep the rabbit holes goes :/

    • @FNP26
      @FNP26 9 лет назад +62

      Jenny Gao Good point, but I think you have to let a lot of things out when working with this kind of format. Much less people would stick around for a seven minute video.

    • @nickyesparza8321
      @nickyesparza8321 9 лет назад +94

      Not true.. you're making too much of it. The author said in an interview himself that he intended some symbolism to be true but not as deep as many readers interpret it to be.

    • @nickyesparza8321
      @nickyesparza8321 9 лет назад +6

      Interesting thought though

    • @beveie123
      @beveie123 9 лет назад +22

      Nick Esparza Ah, but Golding also mentioned that his writing was greatly impacted by Greek writers and mythology my friend.

  • @Flubberg464
    @Flubberg464 9 лет назад +924

    Anyone looking to write an essay, focus on piggy and how he changes once his glasses are first smashed by Jack (after ralph sees the fire go out) and how piggy begins to change and challenges jack. He loses reason.

    • @correctopinionhaver
      @correctopinionhaver 8 лет назад +54

      +Flubberg464 THANKS FAM U REAL AS FUCK

    • @Lionstar00001
      @Lionstar00001 8 лет назад +10

      +Flubberg464 Whoa...I cant believe I missed that! Proves how there is so much symbolism in this book!

    • @CarlosValenzuela-sx9xb
      @CarlosValenzuela-sx9xb 8 лет назад +2

      +Lionstar00001 can explain pls?

    • @Lionstar00001
      @Lionstar00001 8 лет назад +54

      Carlos Valenzuela About there being lots of symbolism in this book? Well, some examples are Piggy's glasses, which are a symbol of reason (as said above). The conch is a symbol of togetherness. The paint Jack and his crew wear is a symbol of savagery/inhumane behavior, and the Lord of the Flies itself is a symbol of evil, created from the madness within the boy's hearts. There are other forms of symbols within the book as well, but those are some of the big ones.

    • @CarlosValenzuela-sx9xb
      @CarlosValenzuela-sx9xb 8 лет назад +1

      Okeuy thanks

  • @blookmoon
    @blookmoon 9 лет назад +116

    If my students were a bit older and parents weren't such uptight freaks, I would love to show this in my class. They're actually great lessons for retell/summary. Very cleverly done.

    • @litgal783
      @litgal783 Год назад +5

      I thought the same thing! When my team of teachers plan, we always say, “What does Thug Notes have to say about this?” It gives us a good laugh and solidifies what we are trying to teach in terms of theme, characterization and so on.

    • @noodl3bo117
      @noodl3bo117 Год назад +1

      It’s their children? 💀

    • @markobosnjakovic4952
      @markobosnjakovic4952 Год назад +3

      ​@@noodl3bo117so what?

    • @ambision4114
      @ambision4114 Год назад +1

      I showed the crucible one to my am lit class

  • @67kingdedede
    @67kingdedede 8 лет назад +652

    quick tips: the end of chapter 1 is super foreshadowy
    the conch represents democracy, order and power
    the glasses represent piggy's logic and reason
    Ralph and the other boys' taking off their clothes represent them shedding the ideas of modern culture
    When Ralph stands on his head (which he does a lot), it means that he doesnt see the situation for what it really is
    When Ralph moves his hair out of his eyes, it represents him taking a more logical approach
    When Piggy cleans his glasses, it means that his line of logic and nature blur
    Piggys glasses are super important
    Like super important
    Chaos vs Order
    Psychological vs Physiological
    Nature vs Culture
    Maturity vs Immaturity
    And a whole lot of other opposites

    • @nathanhoward9556
      @nathanhoward9556 8 лет назад +32

      Fuck I wish I knew this for the essay I had to do for honors
      Got a good grade anyway but could've done better

    • @KaitlynSchulz
      @KaitlynSchulz 7 лет назад +8

      Yeah did they say that when that poor little kid died when the island was on fire, that there was a "drumroll".

    • @TheDude-fx7zx
      @TheDude-fx7zx 7 лет назад +1

      Bairhug A

    • @sajidah2864
      @sajidah2864 5 лет назад

      Can you explain to me how savagery is represented?

    • @abigletdownalways700
      @abigletdownalways700 4 года назад

      Yeeeeea!

  • @novemberblessings12
    @novemberblessings12 10 лет назад +303

    "Have you kids lost ya'll damn mind?!" XD

  • @kinleyyoung9482
    @kinleyyoung9482 9 лет назад +315

    I cannot believe I only now discovered this! Thug Notes is amazing!!

  • @freddy346ify
    @freddy346ify 10 лет назад +342

    I thought that this was great, but a little disappointed Roger was not included. Most people say that Roger isn't important until the end, but I believe that means something. If Jack is the foil of Ralph, then Roger is the foil for piggy. Piggy loves civilization, society, and reason the most while Roger loves savagery, murder and torture the most. In the beginning reason reigns and Piggy gets satisfaction from helping Ralph as a reasonable leader while Roger is in the background. However later Jack comes into power along with savagery and Roger has a chance to take his own satisfaction by "helping" Jack hunt, kill, and torture while Piggy is less important in the governance of the boys. When Roger kills Piggy, it symbolizes the triumph of savagery over reason and civilization. Plus he's a sadistic sociopath which is always fun.

    • @raspberrycrowns9494
      @raspberrycrowns9494 5 лет назад +6

      I'm not a sociopath but Roger is probably my favorite character in the book

    • @markobosnjakovic4952
      @markobosnjakovic4952 Год назад +4

      I thought of Roger as a representation of their sanity and order. at the start he threw rocks at Henry but made sure not to hit him, and throughout the book he became more violent

  • @nickmo9356
    @nickmo9356 10 лет назад +69

    This actually helped me...
    I'm a sophomore in high school and my English class is currently reading this book. I watched this to help me study for the test about it, and it actually really helped.
    Thanks, Thug Notes!

    • @irenerocha8609
      @irenerocha8609 3 года назад

      Hi how did your test go? Where are you nowwww I hope you are doing well

    • @Cxptivate
      @Cxptivate 3 года назад

      @@irenerocha8609 LMAO I don't think anyone would be able to remember what they got on a test six years ago•

  • @EmbracingTime
    @EmbracingTime 10 лет назад +699

    Lol fuck yes. Now I can study without falling asleep

    • @WisecrackEDU
      @WisecrackEDU  10 лет назад +656

      Thanks for not falling asleep during my episodes!

    • @zenexp
      @zenexp 7 лет назад +48

      falling is a reoccurring theme in the novel, lol

  • @ZergrushEddie
    @ZergrushEddie 11 лет назад +71

    This homey dun missed something important, yo. You see, when the lil' shorties are saved by the Naval Officer, they dun start sobbing like little bitches. Check it; man will attack and kill just 'cause they feel it, even beyond survival; Jack would hunt just to be able to cap some pig. But when the cold light of society hits them, they are turned from the Beast back into Men. It makes it less cold hard truth 'bout whether Man truly be evil.
    Love the videos. I have to say that this is one of the greatest channels I have ever seen.

  • @vamcat23
    @vamcat23 10 лет назад +2922

    We watched this in class lol

  • @WisecrackEDU
    @WisecrackEDU  11 лет назад +131

    The rock pushed him off the mountain where he fell 40 feet to his death. So, yes, he did.

  • @QuikVidGuy
    @QuikVidGuy 7 лет назад +45

    I'm quoting, here, so bear with me:
    "This reminds me of a discussion that I read once which said Lord of the Flies would have turned out a hell of a lot differently if it was a private school of young girls (who are expected to be responsible and selfless instead), or a public school where the children weren’t all from an inherently entitled, emotionally stunted social class (studies have shown that people in lower socioeconomic classes show more compassion for others).
    Or that the same premise with children raised in a different culture than the toxic and opressive British Empire and it’s emphasis on social hierarchy and personal wealth and status.
    And that what we perceive as the unchangable truth deep inside humanity because of things like Lord of the Flies and the Stanford Prison Experiment, is just the base truths about what happens when you remove any accountabilty controlling one social group with an overwhelming sense of entitlement and an inability to feel compassion."
    "I just wanna say that the Lord of the Flies was explicitly written about high-class private school boys to make this exact point. Golding wrote Lord of the Flies partially to refute an earlier novel about this same subject: The Coral Island by R.M. Ballantyne. Golding thought it was absolutely absurd that a bunch of privileged little shits would set up some sort of utopia, so his book shows them NOT doing that."
    So it might not necessarily be the evil in all of humanity, but the inability of the comfortable to deal with real-world problems.

  • @patsfreak
    @patsfreak 3 года назад +22

    Calling Simons murder a “cracked out frenzy” has to be the best description of that scene ever

  • @DavyWhitezel
    @DavyWhitezel 10 лет назад +85

    This is one of the best breakdowns of a book I've ever seen. Pourin' out some liquor for you, Simon & Piggy.

  • @Theevil6ify
    @Theevil6ify 10 лет назад +199

    I know this might sound cliche or whatever, but I swear to God, I've learned more and have become FAR more interested in all the books this guy reviews in these quick little 5 minute vids, than I was through YEARS of school.
    And I'm not even a 'gangsta' or whatever. I'm a middle-class white guy.
    They're all just presented in a funner, easier-to-grasp, and even more interesting way than any of my many English teachers did.
    Props.

    • @itsmyytaccount8498
      @itsmyytaccount8498 5 лет назад +1

      WakinTheDeadFan
      Don’t see how this comment makes him dumb ? How so ?

    • @slothful2039
      @slothful2039 4 года назад +1

      Here comes the patronizing force!

    • @robertdavies5139
      @robertdavies5139 3 года назад +2

      Yep I have to admit that these video's have helped me to understand a lot of the classics that I paid no attention to at school. I, too, and a middle-class white guy who just happens to find the style of these videos to be engaging, easy to understand, and way more interesting that I ever thought they would be.

    • @Kikkia2018
      @Kikkia2018 3 года назад +4

      I’m studying to become an English teacher, and if I ever have to teach Lord of the Flies I’m showing them this video lol

    • @waterywingz
      @waterywingz 2 года назад

      My English class teachers were always my fave teachers thru-out middle school & onwards. The way they were passionate about the books they were teaching us, tryinna engage us… they were the most articulate outta all the subject teachers 🤩

  • @sophieo.4527
    @sophieo.4527 8 лет назад +10

    I just finished this book five minutes ago. This is just what I needed. I feel an emptiness somewhere. I didn't want it to end.

  • @ArcheryRuleZ
    @ArcheryRuleZ 2 года назад +29

    Ralphs biggest mistake was not beating jacks a** in front of everyone and saying “whoever wants to be chief can fight me 1 on 1”. The group would agree

  • @ToadenK
    @ToadenK 10 лет назад +105

    This . . . is . . . amazing

  • @FridaDina
    @FridaDina Год назад +4

    I wish I had a teacher like this when I was in school. Great summary and take on a story that I can’t help but see a parallel to how our society has responded to the turmoil of the pandemic and a loss of humanity.

  • @DNorbs7
    @DNorbs7 9 лет назад +11

    I just found "Thug Notes" and love them, but Piggy doesn't die because he is "thrown off a cliff" during a fight between Jack and Ralph; Piggy is deliberately killed by Roger (who pulls a lever that drops a boulder on Piggy). This is noteworthy/important because it is the most evil action that any of the boys take part in, and illustrates that Roger is perhaps the most malicious character in the entire novel.
    Thanks for making these. Highly entertaining and informative. Love the Kafka one.

  • @TheSkyHazCloudz
    @TheSkyHazCloudz 8 лет назад +62

    Summer reading assignment: "Write a summary of important symbols."
    Me: "SPARKY SWEETS, PhD!"

  • @ThePortraitArt
    @ThePortraitArt 10 лет назад +128

    brilliant channel, surprised by how good the analysis is

  • @jameshetfieldserbia
    @jameshetfieldserbia 7 лет назад +6

    Throughout the years you have helped me study at least 15 novels! For most of them I literally just parroted what you said, without slang, and always got at least 8 :)
    Thanks Thug Notes guy :D

  • @crumbtheraven
    @crumbtheraven 8 лет назад +8

    We watched this in English class today. The class and our teacher loved it. Hope you keep doing what you're doing and I look forward to future episodes ;)

  • @chrono47minecraft
    @chrono47minecraft 9 лет назад +263

    I passed my test cuz of this

  • @RedH4wk13
    @RedH4wk13 8 лет назад +341

    Didn´t Piggy get crushed by a rock rather than fall off a cliff?

    • @TheGoldenDunsparce
      @TheGoldenDunsparce 8 лет назад +6

      Yeah, I thought he was in the tent and they smashed it with a boulder with him inside...

    • @jarede9480
      @jarede9480 8 лет назад +125

      They were on the mountain and roger dropped a boulder on Piggy's head, crushing his head and making him fall of the cliff.

    • @bigmanjenkinslittlemanjenk9196
      @bigmanjenkinslittlemanjenk9196 8 лет назад +10

      RedHawk13 both

    • @doctortequila5268
      @doctortequila5268 8 лет назад +29

      He gets killed by the boulder crushing him, but his body falls off the cliff.

    • @brentonmccoy6928
      @brentonmccoy6928 8 лет назад +3

      I read the book recently Rodger accidentally releases a boulder which hits piggy sending him splat leaving his head split open, and drenching the rock in water and blood leaving a pink color.

  • @stephenregister7355
    @stephenregister7355 11 лет назад +8

    This just helped me pass my AP English class, I would like to thank you about a million times but that would take a while

  • @joerybarczyk64
    @joerybarczyk64 9 лет назад +12

    You could also argue that all three parts of the psychic model are represented in the novel. Jack is impulsive and driven only by a mad, animalistic desire to hunt and kill, making him the id. Piggy is the most intelligent and reasonable kid on the island, and he's influenced by order and civilization, making him the superego. And finally, Ralph represents the ego since he is the person who creates balance between the id and the superego.

    • @sophiawilson8696
      @sophiawilson8696 7 лет назад +1

      I know this 2 years old so what is Roger then?.

  • @pierrepiea3279
    @pierrepiea3279 2 года назад +2

    Great summation - you hit the points. Our Storytellers are of great value to society and deserve honor for telling an entertaining story while still delivering the underlying warning to others to be aware of the danger individuals can become. Yes, Lord of the Lies is a brilliant piece of fiction that resonates truth. We gotta look back at that face in the mirror and root out anything we see on it that doesn't represent who we are. As a man think, so he acts. Thank you, Professor Doc. Going to check your channel out more.

  • @YourEverdayGM
    @YourEverdayGM 5 лет назад +9

    This shows enfaticly that you should never judge a book by its cover. Thug notes has taught me alot about literture, in a very unique way.

  • @masteroftheassassins
    @masteroftheassassins 11 лет назад +9

    This story actually gave me a nightmare. I dreamt that I was Simon and I was on my way to tell the others about "The Beast" but before I could tell them anything, they killed me. I still remember there faces and how they wanted to kill me so badly.

  • @m.e_.
    @m.e_. Год назад +7

    we just finished the book in my english class and my teacher told us to watch this video for the LOF quiz tomorrow, this was indeed helpful 😭😂

  • @germ187
    @germ187 3 года назад +6

    I remember reading this in high school, it was super impactful, especially when Jack took over, those were some dark pages to read as a 15 year old

    • @9cake
      @9cake 3 года назад

      Im reading this and I'm in 6th grade lol 😓

    • @germ187
      @germ187 3 года назад

      @@9cake lol omg that’s too young to read about Piggy!

  • @fuhqtoo
    @fuhqtoo 11 лет назад +1

    I am loving this guy. His reviews are well thought out, he has a great grasp of symbolism, and I think the style he is choosing to do the reviews couldn't be more perfect- don't judge a book (or a player) by it's (or his) cover. Genius!

  • @JMPZeleven
    @JMPZeleven 2 месяца назад

    These are the best! Thank you so much - 11 years later, literally some of the best synopsi I've seen. I hope there are lots more!

  • @tekobari
    @tekobari 11 лет назад +6

    Terrific analysis. OMG, I've fallen in love.

  • @Swily
    @Swily 10 лет назад +5

    Informative, well analyzed, and extremely entertaining. Subscribed!

  • @bryantgoh124jj
    @bryantgoh124jj 9 лет назад +105

    This is amazing. Thank god for African Americans talking Lit.

  • @qlamoy
    @qlamoy 6 лет назад +1

    These videos are all summaries of books I have read and wrote papers on in the day.
    Phenomenal recounts with wisdom mixed with ebonix.
    Very good!

  • @guitarlover302
    @guitarlover302 8 лет назад +2

    As a private tutor these are invaluable in getting some key points across to young people - as a 60 year old find them hilarious ! Very clever - thanks for doing them ! Bravo 🍺

  • @HR1Prince
    @HR1Prince 11 лет назад +76

    This guy has a PhD right?

  • @shredgardo
    @shredgardo 10 лет назад +36

    I just noticed that the stick figure for piggy is thicker because he's chubby

  • @xXInfinityDiesXx
    @xXInfinityDiesXx 9 лет назад +16

    This. Is. Amazing.

  • @bondfall0072
    @bondfall0072 8 лет назад

    I finished reading this book last Night for a class assignment. This video is a good refresher for me to get my homework done. Thanks thug notes!

  • @juy6092
    @juy6092 10 лет назад

    this was the first video of Thug Notes i have watched, and I had to subscribe. Im reading this and it helped me study for the test. You are awesome. I understand the book better now. Thanks!!

  • @Holammer
    @Holammer 11 лет назад +5

    I remember writing a book report on this some 20 years ago. I was one of the few that actually read it and the rest of my class called it in by watching it on TV.
    But I got the last laugh because our teacher recognized the vast amount of differences between the book and film, she handed out grades accordingly and chewed out the cheaters in class. Good times.

  • @farisabdilah241
    @farisabdilah241 9 лет назад +6

    Thanks a lot dude, i got a test on this tomorrow and i'm sure as hell going to pass..wooohoo!!

  • @Bipolarvideos
    @Bipolarvideos 10 лет назад +3

    dayum. if only i had this before my 8th grade exam. i probs would never have been given that harsh 45 min lecture by my english teacher about doing better at life!

  • @las8883
    @las8883 9 лет назад

    Watching your videos makes me want to re-read all the classic books I read in high school. I really enjoyed Lord of the flies back in grade 10.

  • @danielgabbay6615
    @danielgabbay6615 11 лет назад

    This is some of the best stuff on youtube. Thanks Thug Notes.

  • @joaquinperez9965
    @joaquinperez9965 9 лет назад +82

    I showed this to my english teacher apparently the video is worth 5 detentions...

    • @CassieGrey21
      @CassieGrey21 7 лет назад +46

      My English teacher showed us these kind of videos in class for The Scarlet Letter, The Pearl and Julius Ceasar. Your teacher is uptight, she needs to loosen up.

    • @applemusic751
      @applemusic751 6 лет назад +1

      Angy Olivier My teacher showed me this for
      To Kill a Mocking Bird, Fahrenheit 451, and Romeo and Juliet

  • @connorveenstra
    @connorveenstra 10 лет назад +5

    This actually helped me understand the book better.

  • @OttoVonGarfield
    @OttoVonGarfield 8 лет назад +26

    Wasn't exactly WW2 that the book was set around, if memory of implication serves.
    Tip: They were worried that the reds would find them first.

    • @StormLaker
      @StormLaker 8 лет назад

      +max larsen when I was 16 years old reading this.....all I could think of was the Mad Max movies i'd grown up watching with my sister in the 80's. Especially "The Road Warrior".

    • @primarchicarus7099
      @primarchicarus7099 8 лет назад

      They were also worried about nukes

    • @jklinders
      @jklinders 8 лет назад +2

      It's been more than 20 years since I read this depressing book but yeah, definitely not WWII. There was a post apocalyptic vibe from what little info the kids knew before their plane crashed. they didn't understand what was happening but knew some world ending shit was going down. It was not really stated outright but in the subtext.
      Wisecrack seems to have missed that this was also a satire of some pretty bad Victorian era books about good British kids being shipwrecked being the perfect boy scouts and surviving well on their camping lessons and keeping a stiff upper lip (wut, wut) against all realism and reason. Frankly that was the book's only redeeming quality to me as I otherwise felt the message was hammered in with all the subtlety of the Hiroshima nuke.

    • @julietfischer5056
      @julietfischer5056 6 лет назад

      It was written shortly after that, I think. English readers would have remembered being evacuated from London and parts of the British Empire. These boys were aboard the plane escaping whatever was happening (or about to happen) and then it crashed on the island. They didn't know if they would be found or by whom.

    • @julietfischer5056
      @julietfischer5056 6 лет назад

      Those crappy books were written for boys, so of course they had happy, jolly, adventures on islands while awaiting rescue. At the end of the book, when our little band of homicidal castaways find an honest-to-God adult, said adult looks at these spear-waving savages and refers to one of those books. The average British reader would have known just how far off target the fellow was.

  • @tommythompson7941
    @tommythompson7941 3 года назад

    I have been obsessed by this story since 1990. This breakdown is very helpful and clever. There is something for the adult I should be, and also the boy who first read this as well. Thank you Gangstas.

  • @jennybrown6221
    @jennybrown6221 10 лет назад +1

    This is one of my very favorite channels.

  • @ache4cake456
    @ache4cake456 10 лет назад +31

    What about Roger? He was very important to the story.

    • @OfficialAliceLiddell
      @OfficialAliceLiddell 10 лет назад +8

      Not particularly. He was a main character but the primary characters are Ralph, Piggy, Jack and Simon. Roger only becomes a particularly prominent character towards the end. He's kind of equal with characters like Sam, Eric and Percival. They're important for their own reasons but they don't create the real religious, moral or social tensions of the book. They merely contribute to the end of innocence.

    • @ache4cake456
      @ache4cake456 10 лет назад +2

      Thanks.

    • @matthewlaurence3121
      @matthewlaurence3121 10 лет назад +17

      Roger represents the particular savage, brutal aspect of humanity,as he kills Piggy and Jack is somewhat stunned by it momentarily. One analysis of the story refers to him representing the devil and Jack the feeble qualities of humanity.

    • @maddiek.9437
      @maddiek.9437 10 лет назад +1

      roger that little sociopath i love him

    • @stretcharmstrong3736
      @stretcharmstrong3736 7 лет назад +2

      Samneric represented loss of individuality, since later on in the book people always referred to them as both and not Sam and then Eric.

  • @ABabe-om5dl
    @ABabe-om5dl 9 лет назад +4

    Thank you so much!!! The Analysis really helped too 🙏🙏🙏🙏

  • @xmoore5659
    @xmoore5659 9 лет назад +22

    You forgot to mention the Jesus symbolism within Simon.

  • @joshg8167
    @joshg8167 11 лет назад +1

    reading this book for english class.. this video was actually EXTREMELY helpful

  • @HDCE-nv1uy
    @HDCE-nv1uy 8 лет назад +1

    man just stumbled across these videos, and I'm really loving them!!! keep up the great work.

  • @fer5787
    @fer5787 9 лет назад +510

    jack=communism, Ralph=democracy, piggy=intelligence & simon=spirituality

    • @99batran
      @99batran 9 лет назад +11

      fernando arcos Fascism

    • @99batran
      @99batran 9 лет назад +34

      Bryan McCormick
      actually it's more of a dictatorship, despite fascism being one tho

    • @PanicbyExample
      @PanicbyExample 9 лет назад

      99batran i wouldn't defend the one to justify the other; life is superior to them both; they are the exploitation of children becoming men by those who find themselves superior to both
      the way that the state is idealized as not holding hands with the nation to where states-rights are somehow an emboldening of the people is so ridiculous... the rights lie with the people, as does the true interpretation of what their life is worth; getting past that gridlock is where the tire can finally hit the road and real proliferation and reconciliation and burden-free breathing be made
      suggesting a difference between dictatorships and fascism is a rationalization of preference of one over the other in the resignation that life is the sum of those parts, eating and breathing determinism; ain't havin it son

    • @heatherclarey9843
      @heatherclarey9843 9 лет назад +6

      fernando arcos Jack is unbridled savagery and the desire for power.

    • @PanicbyExample
      @PanicbyExample 9 лет назад +1

      Heather Clarey i'm glad this thread's still alive... i was thinking about it and i wondered could it just be delayed gratification (ralph) versus bottom-feeding (jack)
      it just seems so unfair how the rest of the cast is almost anonymous except for piggy... i should re-read it but it's like simon is the one other character we see almost arbitrarily, like he's chosen from the herd of anonymous static with no idea how to really think for himself...
      if jack is savage, how would you characterize the other anonymous kids? is that our past we're trying to improve on? is it all we can hope to be?

  • @The8thHorocrux
    @The8thHorocrux 10 лет назад +23

    Can you do beloved by Morrison?

    • @WisecrackEDU
      @WisecrackEDU  10 лет назад +48

      The8thHorocrux You got it

    • @NodDisciple1
      @NodDisciple1 9 лет назад +5

      +Wisecrack Hey G. Yo wanna talk about fallin' ya gotta read for these lil' shorties "The Call of Cthulhu" by H.P. Lovecraft, ya dig? I gotta be gettin mahself some more Lovecraft after that whack expedition to Antarctica you read earlier.

  • @RomanPineapple
    @RomanPineapple 11 лет назад +27

    I thought Piggy got hit by a rock and then fell off a cliff?

    • @Thoughtland
      @Thoughtland 11 лет назад +1

      Yeah he gets stoned to death a few pages before the end of the book. He's a symbolic sacrifice.

  • @long-timelistenerfirst-t-us2yy
    @long-timelistenerfirst-t-us2yy 10 лет назад

    I was expecting a parody, but this was actually really good. no comedy, just brilliant analysis. brief and to the point. *uprated*

  • @esztermegyeri6308
    @esztermegyeri6308 7 лет назад

    just discovered your videos. i'm an absolute fan!
    i didn't like reading that book back in school ,but your explanations give it more interest than I 've thought it had.
    great great job!

  • @fernandar7601
    @fernandar7601 9 лет назад +11

    Could you do The Outsiders by SE Hinton? :(

  • @sarahwoods2883
    @sarahwoods2883 10 лет назад +29

    Piggy doesn't get thrown off a cliff. He gets hit in a head with a boulder that the twins drop on him then he falls down a cliff.

    • @asharmstrong9308
      @asharmstrong9308 10 лет назад +36

      it was actually Roger that dropped the rock on him

    • @sarahwoods2883
      @sarahwoods2883 10 лет назад

      AshArmstrong I stand corrected

    • @asharmstrong9308
      @asharmstrong9308 10 лет назад +2

      that you do

    • @Ming64
      @Ming64 10 лет назад +3

      It wasn't the twins it was Roger. How do I know? I was that boulder.

    • @TTH247
      @TTH247 10 лет назад

      He didn't actually say Piggy was "thrown" off the cliff, if that's what you're implying.

  • @Abuamina001
    @Abuamina001 10 лет назад +3

    Simply brilliant.

  • @cyberocarinaman1196
    @cyberocarinaman1196 7 лет назад

    PhD in Literature here too. This channel rocks a lot.
    I really enjoyed it!
    Thumbs up!!

  • @aislingoconnell3508
    @aislingoconnell3508 10 лет назад

    this is my favourite video ever and i can now go to school on monday without crying, THANKYOU

  • @badgerbar3623
    @badgerbar3623 8 лет назад +58

    Is it bad I'm using this to study for my finals

  • @killer74798
    @killer74798 10 лет назад +50

    I thought Simion when he died represented the death of innocence or was i wrong?

    • @Lunacyrabbit
      @Lunacyrabbit 10 лет назад +12

      Yeah, pretty much.

    • @chinyerekalu6654
      @chinyerekalu6654 10 лет назад +9

      samneric became the loss of innocence when they started to become different people

    • @PorkFrog
      @PorkFrog 10 лет назад +20

      simon was a mystic-type figure trying to tell people a truth they couldn't accept ['It's just us!']
      'the death of innocence' was the slow realization by Ralph that his dream of having fun and no adults was just a dream...there'a line in there where Ralph or Piggy says 'people don't help much.' and him or Piggy says they found out 'what people are like'. I don't think any one thing represented losing innocence

    • @chinyerekalu6654
      @chinyerekalu6654 10 лет назад +2

      I think you're right... i am currently reading it.

    • @kerstinfoster8002
      @kerstinfoster8002 10 лет назад +11

      I think the death of simon represents in a way the death of Jesus. Now I don't know if I am right but there are a lot of biblical references in this book like how the beastie is a snake they thought and the snake convinced Adam and Eve to eat the fruit (the fruit on the trees) on the garden of Eden (the island). Also there were a lot of gross things that represent devilish symbols like pigs, flies, how the boys take care if their business.

  • @nlee220
    @nlee220 10 лет назад +3

    This dude makes learning fun!

  • @mctielpresidente
    @mctielpresidente 10 лет назад +1

    "HAVE YOU KIDS LOST YO DAMN MINDS?!?"
    idk y, but this comment just had me lolling all day! Thanks ThugNotes!

  • @alancantu2557
    @alancantu2557 6 лет назад +1

    Love this approach at summarizing books

  • @keyboy2332
    @keyboy2332 10 лет назад +3

    Hahaha love this book. You earn a new subscriber

  • @TheITinFIT
    @TheITinFIT 11 лет назад +16

    I see you got on That Guy WIth the Glasses. Well dog I watched your Crucible and Pride & Prejudice videos and you just got yourself a subscriber...I apologize for my attempt to be street >_

  • @maggieduran6733
    @maggieduran6733 9 лет назад +4

    Please do a video on hatchet by gary paulsen

  • @Chrominance87
    @Chrominance87 11 лет назад +2

    I hope these reviews dont have too many spoilers, a lot of these books I would really like to read in the future.

  • @brandname6
    @brandname6 9 лет назад +1

    this is the greatest thing i have found on the internet...ever

  • @LoganWH8
    @LoganWH8 9 лет назад +8

    Piggy didn't fall off a cliff, there was no cliff to fall off of. Roger, jack's lieutenant, in a panic at the thought of losing his power to his followers being persuaded by piggy's talk of reason, drops a boulder on piggy that kills him and smashes the conch. And the naval officer didn't know they were intent on killing Ralph, he just saw the whole island was on fire

    • @pablofalcon7055
      @pablofalcon7055 9 лет назад +13

      Actually, Roger rolled the boulder off the castle rock and it hit piggy, then he fell off the cliff

    • @liamkearton9696
      @liamkearton9696 9 лет назад +3

      +king of games and anime yeah, roger intentionally killed piggy. cold blood. he also tortured samneric (Sam and Eric, they are just loose their identity as separate people) as well as some other littl'uns

  • @raspberryeri
    @raspberryeri 11 лет назад +5

    oh my god... i just discovered that i had read this book when i was about 12... I didnt know the title... but i realized that i know the story and i remember reading it now.. hehe, good to have recalled the story though!

  • @WDB662
    @WDB662 10 лет назад +2

    Thank you for this dude

  • @alondravazquez5043
    @alondravazquez5043 10 лет назад

    I have never read this book but after seeing this summery and analysis, I might check it out. The analysis really caught my attention because everything said is true. If a civilized individual had to pick between staying “innocent” or fighting for his/her life, the life will be chosen without a doubt. The way the kids chose a leader but like always one boy had to disagree and let jealousy overcome and want more power than the rest foreshadowed the kind of savages they would become. I also really liked the analysis made between the soldier who had been looking for his enemy but instead found these kids attacking their enemy and stopped them.

  • @styx5912
    @styx5912 3 года назад

    Best way to study for a final exam
    I understand this guy better than my teacher
    Man can u bring dat amazing way of explaining of ur to my school I think society would be a better place

  • @angryyoshin
    @angryyoshin 10 лет назад +14

    Holy fuck this would have been so helpful like 4 years ago lol.

  • @ferofax
    @ferofax 8 лет назад +37

    GODDAMMIT, FAM, where u literate ass at when we and ma crew were in school, dawg?

  • @luchadorito
    @luchadorito 10 лет назад +13

    so...will write an exam in few days about this book.I didn't even read it because o was too bussy with A song of Ice and Fire.I'm going to do it using knowledge from here---lets see what will be the result!Thug Notes, dont fail me!

  • @alocalweeb7555
    @alocalweeb7555 7 лет назад

    I saw this in class with my english teacher and while watching this, I was nodding about how accurate this was the whole time

  • @EveWC18
    @EveWC18 11 лет назад +1

    this is one of my favorites! Love this series so very much

  • @TheIridesence
    @TheIridesence 11 лет назад +5

    i cannot believe this is actually real stuff. this is great

  • @TheJohnnyCalifornia
    @TheJohnnyCalifornia 10 лет назад +13

    As Machiavelli and Nietzsche make clear, only the people who abjure morality are able to provide the security that allows civilization the luxury of aspiring to be good.

  • @upland77
    @upland77 9 лет назад +22

    Shit, I thought this book was about some magic fly that a group of peeps had to get back to Mordor? Or am I trippin, son?!

    • @Bailskywalker
      @Bailskywalker 9 лет назад +7

      +upland77 you trippin. Lord of the FLIES. not lord of the RINGS

  • @yeseniacantabrana8569
    @yeseniacantabrana8569 10 лет назад

    I read Lord of the Flies freshman year, so this video helped refresh my memory! I think this book is a great example of the violence in society. Today, society goes for violence without thinking that's exactly what the kids do in the book, they hurt each other for dumb reasons. Violence is simply unnecessary.

  • @EyeLean5280
    @EyeLean5280 8 лет назад

    My favorite of yours so far. Lots of substantial analysis! Thank you!