İlber Hoca çok haklı. Bir Türk vatandaşı olarak benim bir Yunan vatandaşı ile sorunum yok. Hatta, milli çıkarlardan ve güvenlikten taviz verilmediği sürece aşırı milliyetçi tavırlar bir kenara konup Ege'de bir barış ortamı kurmak elzemdir. Türk ve Yunan devletlerinin müzakere ile çözemeyeceği hiçbir şeyin olmadığını düşünüyorum. Bütün mesele hükümetler arasıdır. Savaş akıllara getirilmeden bir araya gelip diplomatik yollar kullanılmalıdır. Bu bakımdan Tunç Soyer'in barış çağırısını çok doğru buluyorum
@@DA-eo8ps If Greece wants to live in peace with us, it should not harass as our NATO ally. I do not like the aggressive policies of the government, but I think we should not remain silent. We know that they changed the pacts to seize the islands to which we are entitled. they did this by unlawfully increasing the continental shelf boundary.
@@DA-eo8ps First of all, thank you. As a Turk, i can say: It is true that we have politicians in Turkey who make provocative statements against Greece. They did the same for Israel for many years. however, the purpose here was not to harbor enmity against Israel or Greece and to go to war with them. People who could not develop themselves and remained ignorant in Turkey like these aggressive attitudes and they believe that the Ottoman Empire can be resurrected. but every self-developed and conscious Turkish citizen knows that the Ottoman Empire is now history and that such a thing would not be possible under today's conditions. Also, conscious people are not in the minority, as you might think. The politicians I mentioned know this too, but their only goal is to get votes. Apart from that, I completely reject the thesis that Turkey has displayed an aggressive attitude. because Greek politicians are also trying to gain votes by using the fear of the ottoman in the Greek people. I don't know if your media reflects these on you, but know that the Greek side is also engaged in provocative activities. With these provocative activities, they give the politicians I mentioned earlier an opportunity, and both sides make their political shows in front of their own public opinion. but the western world unfortunately sees turkey as the only culprit. But the West should not forget that the destabilization of Turkey causes the buffer between Europe and the Middle East to disappear and Europe to be dragged into deep crises. We lived together with the Greeks for centuries. yes, we have succeeded and the two nations that have succeeded can resolve all the problems between them peacefully. But for this, mutual interests must be observed. It would not be fair if Greece was provoked by the West on issues where Turkey was right, and if Turkey was asked to make concessions. Therefore, the attitude of the West and the preservation of its diplomatic neutrality are very important issues in establishing peace. Where are you from btw?
Orda da seçim var 😂 ikisi hükümet de oy için gerilim yaratıyorlar. There is a election in both countries, so governments try increasing tension for vote.
@@DA-eo8ps The EU and the USA are the source of all the problems on earth, colonialism, nuclear destruction, genocide and slavery. Those who try to advise us should first look at themselves and clean up the mess they have done, we are right and we are the only nation on earth that will die for our lands.
Yok ya sen severdin halbuki öyle filozofları,aristokrasisi komutanları falan.n'oldu yav sayın ilber hocam hangi dağda kurt öldü de böyle konuşmaya başladınız?
guzel konusma , iyi noktalara isaret edilmis ....
Konu suriyelilere gelince Murat efendi hemen panikledi.
dedesi suriyeliymis diye duydum da ondan.
İlber ortaylı tam olarak haklıların düştüğü yalnızlığa düşmüş programda.
@@nacikemer2503🐏
@@nacikemer2503 mal
😡💪🇹🇷🖕
Hoca fena geçirmiş ilk defa bu kadar net muhalif yaptığını gördüm
10 sene önce Eski yazı/osmanlıca mevzusunda da Murat Bardakçı ve Erhan Afyoncu’yu kafa kafaya vurmuştu 😂😂 helal olsun
😅 bence hocanın karın ağrısı var o yüzden
Bravo İlber hocam
ilber hoca sonuna kadar haklı. Hocanın ikide bir sözünü kesiyor bardakçı , Bir insanın anlattıkları karşısındakini dinlediği kadardır.
İlber Ortaylı yine formunda 😎
İlber hocam icinden gecmis Murat Bardakcinin...
Büyük adamsın İlber Hoca ama u dönüşü yapmazsan. Savaş mavaş istemiyoruz arkadaş.
Yorumları ile cahiller kendini belli ediyor ilber hoca cok haklı
Murat Hoca Haddini Bildirmiş Ilbere
İlber Hoca çok haklı. Bir Türk vatandaşı olarak benim bir Yunan vatandaşı ile sorunum yok. Hatta, milli çıkarlardan ve güvenlikten taviz verilmediği sürece aşırı milliyetçi tavırlar bir kenara konup Ege'de bir barış ortamı kurmak elzemdir. Türk ve Yunan devletlerinin müzakere ile çözemeyeceği hiçbir şeyin olmadığını düşünüyorum. Bütün mesele hükümetler arasıdır. Savaş akıllara getirilmeden bir araya gelip diplomatik yollar kullanılmalıdır. Bu bakımdan Tunç Soyer'in barış çağırısını çok doğru buluyorum
@@DA-eo8ps If Greece wants to live in peace with us, it should not harass as our NATO ally. I do not like the aggressive policies of the government, but I think we should not remain silent. We know that they changed the pacts to seize the islands to which we are entitled. they did this by unlawfully increasing the continental shelf boundary.
@@DA-eo8ps First of all, thank you. As a Turk, i can say:
It is true that we have politicians in Turkey who make provocative statements against Greece. They did the same for Israel for many years. however, the purpose here was not to harbor enmity against Israel or Greece and to go to war with them. People who could not develop themselves and remained ignorant in Turkey like these aggressive attitudes and they believe that the Ottoman Empire can be resurrected. but every self-developed and conscious Turkish citizen knows that the Ottoman Empire is now history and that such a thing would not be possible under today's conditions. Also, conscious people are not in the minority, as you might think. The politicians I mentioned know this too, but their only goal is to get votes. Apart from that, I completely reject the thesis that Turkey has displayed an aggressive attitude. because Greek politicians are also trying to gain votes by using the fear of the ottoman in the Greek people.
I don't know if your media reflects these on you, but know that the Greek side is also engaged in provocative activities. With these provocative activities, they give the politicians I mentioned earlier an opportunity, and both sides make their political shows in front of their own public opinion. but the western world unfortunately sees turkey as the only culprit. But the West should not forget that the destabilization of Turkey causes the buffer between Europe and the Middle East to disappear and Europe to be dragged into deep crises.
We lived together with the Greeks for centuries. yes, we have succeeded and the two nations that have succeeded can resolve all the problems between them peacefully. But for this, mutual interests must be observed. It would not be fair if Greece was provoked by the West on issues where Turkey was right, and if Turkey was asked to make concessions. Therefore, the attitude of the West and the preservation of its diplomatic neutrality are very important issues in establishing peace.
Where are you from btw?
Orda da seçim var 😂 ikisi hükümet de oy için gerilim yaratıyorlar. There is a election in both countries, so governments try increasing tension for vote.
@@DA-eo8ps The EU and the USA are the source of all the problems on earth, colonialism, nuclear destruction, genocide and slavery. Those who try to advise us should first look at themselves and clean up the mess they have done, we are right and we are the only nation on earth that will die for our lands.
@@DA-eo8ps
we are accustomed to sleepless living, wolves are always on the alert🐺
Yok ya sen severdin halbuki öyle filozofları,aristokrasisi komutanları falan.n'oldu yav sayın ilber hocam hangi dağda kurt öldü de böyle konuşmaya başladınız?
Filozoflarla ne alakasi var durumun?
Bardakçı haklı.
İlber Ortaylı kaypaklık yapıyor
Sırf senin Yorumun üstüne 3 kez izledim . Kaypaklık nerede ?
@@ffgffg645 kaypaklık yorum yapan şahısın kanında. O yüzden baktığı her yerde kaypaklık görüyor ama farkında değil ki asıl kaypak kendisi
Herkesi kendin sanma ustat.
@@ffgffg645 yunan lafını geçirmemesi hatadır demesi çok zor değil ama adamı savunmak için lafı eveliyor geveliyor
@@ffgffg645 Murat Bardakçı hatta Fatih ben anlamadım diyor dikkat edersen
İlber bu yaşta güzel kıvırtıyor.