Remington Express 2-3/4" 9 Pellet 00 Buck Pattern Test W/ Mossberg 835 Ulti-Mag & Stock Full Choke
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- Today we bring out some of the Remington Express 2-3/4" 9 pellet 00 buckshot loads and pattern test them at 40 yards through the Mossberg 835 Ulti-Mag and its stock full choke. These shells have been surprisingly good, so stick around and see how they perform!
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Matt Tyree
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Warrenton, VA 20186
That's a pretty damn good practical buckshot pattern. Not too tight, not too loose. You need to keep in mind, the factory "full" choke on an 835 is 0.730". For a choke that big at 40 yrds, with factory ammo, that's a good pattern. If your 1187 was using a tighter choke, then that's why the pattern was tighter in it.
Because you shoot factory only, you'd probably be interested in this. I recently did a choke test in the 835. I used 0000 buck(0.380" pellets) and 15 chokes at 50 yrds. The sizes were between 0.680" and 0.774"(all the Carlson's and Mossberg flush non-ported 835 chokes). My best patterns were with chokes 2 times the diameter of the pellets(0.760" and 0.765"). Patterns were consistent and repeatable down to about 4% smaller than 2 times the pellet diameter, or down to about a 0.735" choke(0.765" X 0.96 = 0.7344"). My mold cast a little large so my pellets are actually 0.3825"-ish. Up to 0.774" choke, the patterns were fine, though that's only 1.17" larger than 2X pellet size. The data also showed that the Mossberg chokes inherently suck, except for the 0.765" choke that was the perfect size for the shot. The Mossberg chokes had very poor shot to shot consistency, while the Carlson's had good consistency shot to shot. The only difference I can see in the chokes, is Mossberg crown has a significant bevel, and the Carlson's crown is nearly 90 degrees sharp by comparison. These results were independent of any wads(because it's the largest pellets you can stack in a 12ga hull). Wads have a very significant effect on patterns, as you have noticed, and not all wads are the same. My data suggest that, in conventionally loaded buckshot, a choke of 2X the pellet diameter gives the tightest patterns. Up to 4% below that size gives reliable patterns, more than 4% below that size and the wheels come off. I intend to test with other pellet sizes in the future to see what the top end is for tight patterns, my hypothesis is roughly about 4% there too. These results are not definitive. They are from 1 guy, shooting 1 gun with 1 barrel, with 1 load, with 15 chokes and 2 shots per choke. Much more testing needs to be done. However the data is extremely and highly suggestive of the above. If you or any one else is a data nerd(like me) I have raw data, charts, graphs, and equations I can send.
For an example, factory 00 buck is usually 0.320"(some 0.310" and a few 0.330"). 0.320" X 2 = 0.640", 0.640" X 0.96 = 0.6144" min choke size(not aware of one this tight in 12 ga). Per my hypothesis, 0.640" X 1.04 = 0.6656" max for the tightest patterns without a wad. I've gotten great 00 buck patterns with a wad out of a 0.695" choke(excellent general purpose size) and you just got a good pattern with a wad out of a 0.730" choke.
If anyone is interested in seeing the data, please let me know. I hope you or someone finds this info useful and/or interesting.
Keep up the good work
That's a lot of great info!
Very nice group
Definitely not bad!
I have been running a stevens 320 in both 12 and 20 gauge with good results with buckshot. With the 12 gauge i am running a full choke. With the 20 gauge i am running the factory modified
What distance from the muzzle are you setting up your chronograph at?
Please review S&B 00 buck 2 3/4"
We have some S&B testing in the way soon
When it comes to shotguns these New scree in choke 28" and shorter barrels are junk,If you have a extra $325 on gun broker they have a old Mossberg 12 ga with a 30" fixed full choke barrel They will put a full load in a 10" circle at 100 yards,on my old channel I had a video up with one, These New guns are cylinder bore from chamber to the end of the barrel,then the load gets just 1&1/2" to adjust to whatever choke you have in,The old guns were full, or modified from chamber to the end of the barrel the load had time to settle and stabilize, But in that 835 you have those are back bored barrels Mossbergs horrible experiment 🤣 great for Bird shot crappy for buckshot the only Buck shot that works well in it is the 3.5" #4 Buck with 54 pellets but only good to about 50 yards now if you put a kick's x full in you will kill deer at 90 yards all day
A lot of those old fixed choke guns got screwed up by people shooting slugs through them when they didn't know any better. The choke in them is often deformed, and not uniformly, so many have an oblong choke now. If you get one without this problem, they're great. I have 3 835's than I load for and they shoot fine with everything. Picking the correct load and choke matters, depending on what you're trying to do. I've got a 10 pellet 0000 buck(0.380" pellets) doing 1075fps that does 18" at 100 yrds and each pellet still has over 100 ft-lbs at that range.
That's something I definitely want to test one day, I just need to figure out the logistics of doing it. I think it would be really interesting to see the difference side by side between a short choke and a choke that slowly constricts over a longer distance
@@matttyreeoutdoors we have a shotgun contest in my town twice a year I show up with my old Coast to coast master mag a Mossberg clone sold by a hardware store back in the 70's and 80's new it cost $72.97 has a 30" vr barrel with a fixed full choke, shoot's 2 &3/4" and 3" shell's, But with 3"#4 buck 41 pellets at 110 yards it puts 38 to 40 pellets in a 10" pie tin 3" 00 puts all 9 pellets in a baseball size group,We have video of that same shotgun using load data from BUBBA ROUNTREE OUTDOORS killing deer at 147 yards,The old fixed choke gun's are outstanding, When it comes to shotguns longer is better I have another Mossberg 1970's turkey gun with a 34" XX FULL barrel that you have to aim like a rifle it will put a whole turkey load in a birds neck
@@joearledge yeah the old pumpkin balls ruined a bunch of good shotguns,I buy them every time I spot one for sale, First thing I do is rechoke the barrels and hone the chamber and bore,
@@Outlaws-g5e sweet. I prefer old gats in general, but especially now days. I've got an 835, so do 2 family members. Mine was bought new about a year or 2 ago, 1 of theirs is used about 15 years old and the other one is used about 25 years old. I have had nothing but problems from mine(bad springs, bad extractor, ect....) theirs are perfect. Same story with a Savage 110 I have, old ones are fine, new ones suck. I'd definitely recommend going with a used older model for anyone looking to buy any type of gun, with very few exceptions. The QC at all major companies has gone to crap in the last 10-ish years.