XTNG Gen3 Pro Install and First Ride | Metering Rod Carburetor | Highland Cycles
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Installing an XTNG Gen3 Pro Carburetor on my 2018 KTM 300XC-W
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I'm pulling this from my business course years ago but as patents go an original idea that's patented is exclusive to the inventor for a period of 20 years, after that it's fair game to all.
One guy invented a motorcycle right? Shame on anyone that rides any other bike than the original inventor's brand... Can't wait to see how this carb pans out! If its good I'll be a bootlegger with you... :). Thanks for sharing!
I'd like you see you go back to back with this, and Smartcarb.
Same
Great to see the install and your craftsmanship. A few more rips and you’ll have her tuned smooth! Can’t wait to see the progress bro
Me too
i have the first gen xtng in my 19 xc and it’s great. don’t love the throttle housing but the rest of it is great
As an owner of two SC's and Keihins, I am intrigued. Good content thanks.
Great to go along (daily lol) and see what bike stuff you are up to - the humor, mechanics, riding passion etc.
Addictive.
Thanks man.
China has great engineers just like the US does. The bad rap (that some people can't see past) is because most chinese production is dedicated toward making the least expensive items and maintain their status as the largest global producer of goods. Out of 1.4 billion people, there have got to be a lot of smart people.
I don't disagree with you but this is kinda a copy, not totally but pretty close minor tweaks to improve it hopefully.
Yes. And, Hong Kong is quite different than the other Chinese industrial metros
@@1176hambone good point
@@andrecontois8510 Aren't all dirt bikes a copy of an original invention... just saying... the original one isn't quite as nice as these latest versions are right...
@@1176hambone yes and no. Still a Chinese territory and a lot of things coming out of hong Kong are made in mainland China.
personally trading with China for 8 years i can assure that they tell you what you want to hear
Good to see Daisy again. 🤘🤘
Honestly this is really good to see, I've seen XTNG around for a while and figured with metering carbs it kinda went: XTNG < Lectron < SmartCarb but it is just hard to hear much on the XTNG let alone their newest version.
Got one of the GPX TSE300's coming and...I'm realistic, it's a china-bike, I'm not spending $700 on a smartcarb if I get a metering carb and the bike comes with a PWK-40mm carb which feels a bit large to me, normally see 36-38mm on this size engine. Either way additional options are always a good thing.
China doesn't copy stuff by themselves, it's usually an American, Australian or European that takes something with a big margin to be "modified". Electron, BlueMax, Quicksilver, Smart Carb all have had a run at the metering rod carb game.... Probably more.
The Chinese are catching up very fast on a lot of products👍
finally someone doing this carb can i say review ? I hnow about XTNG like 2 years but there was no good quality video about it. If it gonna be good i jump into it XTNG carb GEN3 PRo cost 450 USD lectron and smartcarb are much much more thanks man for the hard work !
Stay tuned. We will beat on it.
Interesting.
But if you got no elevation diff. I would recommend to get a usual keihin
We have tons of elevation differences
I’d like to see a comparison/tolerances of the internal bits compared to the lectron. I’ve had a few throttles lock wfo on me and it’s a bit scary.
if you going to do some comparison against the new bike if you got time try the red power valve spring in the old bike and a race plug like a ngk BPR7EIX iridium. also see if the throttle cams are the same in both bikes. little things like this can lead to big differences. thanks
Seems like you got Loretta running almost as good as my TE with the Billetron ... 😂🤣
😂🤣
I watched the unboxing video. That carb looks exactly like my 38mm SC2 but with an extra screw for the pilot circuit. The stamped 38 is a dead give away. So the bigger let down for me is that it appears that SC is outsourcing the build to China or Hong Kong. And that’s pretty lame. Additionally, it appears that the manufacturer is selling the carb bodies to another company with the addition of the adjustable pilot circuit and calling it Xting.
I stick my head out of the window when it’s closed
Instead of air I get glass stuck into my head🤘
It does look rather like the SC2 doesn't it? They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...
Let us be perfectly clear, we are absolutely not outsourcing production, parts, intellectual property, or anything else to China, Hong Kong, or anywhere else. SmartCarbs are designed and manufactured in the USA, with currently active patents and patent protection, and we plan to keep it that way. XTNG is an entirely separate entity based out of Hong Kong that has no qualms about directly copying American technology, use of technology, marketing phraseology, and even copyrighted materials/graphics from its competitors to then reproduce in China for pennies in order to undercut those competitors.
Their Gen 1 was an exact Lectron H-Series clone down to the metering rod being interchangeable. This new Gen 3 appropriates the SmartCarb's (and earlier Edmonston-designed QuikSilver's) top clicker adjuster, TPS sensor implementation and mounting location, variable throttle rate venturi shape, and more. They have directly copied our marketing language and even used our graphics in their earlier user manuals.
Regardless of the dubious legality of its actions, XTNG is a company that is clearly willing to copy the designs of its competitors and they are in no way affiliated with us.
I love it man!!!! I love your videos. Keep it up man!
Do you think I should do the tsp split kit when I do the power kit!? (Head and ecu re flash)
Yes, I think it is a really solid upgrade to performance and reliability
Btw I changed my RUclips name. It was TCG fruition lmao
Ok cool. Should I keep running the oil pump or delete it? I’m worried about the injector in the intake boot providing enough fuel and oil at start up and idle if I delete the pump
@@ChrisBurns1119 I noticed that
I've had great luck with the cheaper carbs on everything from pitbikes to 2 and 4 strokes I've also ran 300$ carbs with same results way I see it if u can fix ur shit for cheaper and it satisfies you then u should do so the point is getting out and having fun seriously
People so many have lost sight what this sports about me as a older man it's about getting out with friends family having a good time not about what's on ur machine or how much u have spent I could careless and to be honest I've seen some bikes built with cheap parts that ran strong and would out run any of are 10K bikes that have all the oem shit on them or big name products I love this sport but I'd be lying if I said I love the way its changed threw out the years
Maybe some float lowering is needed?
Maybe. But it stopped the first time out and leveled out while riding. SC's do this too. I will be digging deep
Morgan, l enjoy your videos, and was looking forward to this one a lot. But.....as clever as you obviously are, why would anyone leave the inlet manifold open, with all that dirt and grime directly above it ? And then later, start the engine with no filter installed ? Sorry, but they are fundamental no no's !! I'm not in anyway a clean freak in general life, but engines deserve respect !!. I realise this sounds negative, but cleanliness is so critical to life of the piston and bore... Still interested in the carb outcome though 😁
Hahaha, I hear ya. First of all with starting it with out the filter. We are inside with no dust and I check the intake before starting. There was nothing that was going to go in there. I don't know a mechanic that hasn't run a motor with the filter out inside of their shop. Snowmobiles don't even have filters because they are supposed to be in a dust free environment (but it is the world and its not perfect) and the run for a long time. As far as leaving it open like that, I check that very well before re installing the carb and trust me there was zero dirt in there. I will bet you a large sum of money that when I do a top end on this bike ( probably about 50 hrs from now) that everything will look perfect. I have done all those things on my bike for a scrillion hours and never had a failure. But you are correct, if you can operate in a world where you can keep everything out, you should. I have just been doing this for a long time and I know how to mitigate the risk even if I don't show all of that. Oh, and I have seen mechanics take a "clean" rag to put in an intake that actually had a little piece of metal in it and ruin a brand new motor on start up. It is all about checking things before you actually start them and making sure it is good.
Did you have to modify the air intake flange like you do for the smart carb?
Nope. Just bolted on
You work it out and ill buy one, theres always good china and bad china, i need a carb
So far this is looking very promising.
So do you recommend buying this carb?
No
@@highlandcycles Reason please.. i have plan to get this carb. What's your opinion sir.
@@accipiternisus649 I couldn’t get it to run right. No matter what I did, it would load up in rough stuff
How much for the carb?
$400
What is the cost of this carburator
$399
@@highlandcycles wow. I'm somewhat disappointed with the smart carb. Maybe I could sell it and pickup one of these
How much do these cost compared to the Lectron billetron or the smart carb?
Xtng 400$... lectron 700$
Hey Morgan , I offered two dealers 12,200.00 for a 2023 300 xc and got an answer of NO !
What do you think about that ? Am I way to cheap ?
Thats nuts. What do they want?
@@highlandcycles GGG 12,634.00 at Zeigler Motorsports, Kalamazoo, Mi and 12,340.00 at Trojan power sports , Monroe , Mi
@@goodboyringo9716 I’m surprised they won’t take it
@@highlandcycles .. I'm very disappointed . I think they are just wanting to get all they can from the customers. This is why I'm for doing away with dealers. I may have to wait for 2024 , KTM may fix a few things on the bike and make it better. I got the impression Trojan dealer don't care about the customers . I once went their to buy a 2022 300 and no one ever came over to help us , so we left and I never been back. But, I just noticed they got 3 KTM. 300 xc in stock so I called asking if they would take 12,200 and the sale man said NO.
@@goodboyringo9716 bummer
Please for the love of God do not hit a patch of ice on full throttle. 🙏🏽
No need shorter cable not razors...screw it no cable or slide wide F ing open
Hahaha yes!!
🤣🤣🤣 Zip ties FTW...
Say it... come on. Say it. You know it's in your heart. Carbs suck hahaha. Fancy carbs, rod carbs, blah blah blah.
Hahahhaa no. I won’t do it. How’s that 756 coming???
You're right...They do suck... a ton of air and fuel...
@@smashedfootlefty4726 I'll trade that for less tinkering.
Idk my Keihin carb 19 300xc runs perfect year round I love my carb
@@thatfast3002 travel at all ?
The XTNG Carb is absolutely infringing on US patents. Buyer beware!
Oh, really? Does it seem like it really crushed your SC2 market monopoly plans? You mean you guys invented the teardrop venturi and internal ventilation? US6505821 and CN200971812Y, what are these?
@@xtngcarbs1249 An earlier Edmonston patent, which we owned and is now expired, and a Chinese patent for a carburetor using a vent scoop to operate a diaphragm slide? These are meaningless. As with all of China, XTNG knows exactly which patents are being infringed upon.
@@coreydyess4119 This expired Chinese patent mainly states that two circles with different diameters undergo a smooth transition to form a water drop Venturi,Can increase low torque and throttle response and reduce fuel consumption. As for the ratio of the diameters of the two circles, it is not important, what is important is the degree of innovation,As for your patented Bernoulli formula, it is meaningless because it has lost its innovativeness.The upper part of CLICKER is a public technology, and the lower part is designed again, and is compatible with the previous metering rod, dodge your patents, and the lower part of your SC2's CLICKER is inconsistent with your patent, All technologies other than patents will be regarded as public technologies, and there is no gray area in the law. Strictly speaking, if you can repackage an expired patent and apply successfully, then I can also provide sufficient evidence to file an invalid application with the US Patent Office or partially invalid applications.
We will monitor the shipment to the US package, if there is an abnormal status we will take further action..
@@xtngcarbs1249 Misinterpretation of an expired Chinese patent and casting opinion on US patent validity means absolutely nothing. You know exactly which patents are being violated, and now you have T Morgan out here in front of God and everybody, selling out his own countryman, giving out false information and promoting a product that is in violation of several US import and patent laws. You really should be more upfront, a surprise customs audit will be the last thing any dealer would want.
I don't know if a patent is being infringed upon, but I do know that it appears Xtng has taken the design a few steps further than you guys. It makes me wonder why there isn't an SC3 with a low end circuit or other awesome technology that allows it to be on par with a regular carb, while still holding onto fuel efficiency.
I asked Kevin@Lectron about the use of non metric bolts on the Lectron. His response- "Why not? Metric is not American.Non metric is. I left it at that!