Bruce Lee fans oblivious to full contact fighting in the 1960’s. Poor Xu Xiaodong. America now.
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- Over the years, I have heard hundreds of people repeat the idea that in Bruce Lee’s day, the only form of martial arts competition that existed was point karate no one touch sparring. While Bruce Lee existed primarily with the point karate social circles of the west coast of the USA in the 1960’s, in the world at large, full-contact fighting contests with limited rule sets not only existed already, but had been established decades, and in some cases centuries prior to the advent of Bruce Lee.
Mr. Lee is often credited with the revolutionary idea of pioneering full contact fighting, integrating striking and grappling together- meanwhile in Russia (sambo), Brazil (vale tudo), China (sanda), and Thailand (Muay Thai), among other countries, such contests were old news.
Gene Lebell, a contemporary of Bruce Lee (who actually taught Lee judo techniques) was doing full contact mixed martial arts challenge matches back in the 1960’s (including his well documented fight with boxer Milo Savage) while Lee was merely pontificating about the possibility of such things.
Bruce Lee did no more to “invent MMA” than Sylvester Stallone did to “invent boxing”. Both men were charismatic actors who made popular action movies that dramatically raised public interest in combat sports.
In this video, I go on a tangent about dueling in China prior to the cultural revolution, illustrated with the contrasting narrative of Xu Xiaodong, the infamous Chinese retired MMA fighter who blew up the internet after beating up Wei Lei, a fake tai chi master. Since dueling has been banned in modern China (as it has in most countries) Xu Xiaodong has run into some legal trouble- which has been spun into a tear-jerker narrative of oppression.
Finally, Bruce Lee was an American. A proud American. Don’t believe everything the media shines in your eyes. 
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Bruce Lee was a master at marketing himself. That marketing was so good, it outlived him.
"I want to think of myself as a human being."-Bruce Lee
👍👍👍
Had he ever seen other humans? More often than not, they leave something to be desired... I'd certainly to like to have a second option.
@The Alpha and Omega" ...for under the heavens, we are but one family."
No full contact fighting competitions in the 1960s, did Boxing just stop existing during that decade?
Bruce studied boxing and boxers so it's a bit of stretch to suggest he didn't know about full contact combat sports.
Aren't boxing and wrestling has been a thing since the ancient Greek.
@@iliveinsideyourhouse3943 Forms of it. But boxing has changed since the 1800s. You see the fighting Irishman stance? That's an exaggerated way they actually did it. Look up (rough and tumble)
Kyokushin was founded in 1964 that was full contact.
Bruce Lee won Hong Kong highschool boxing championship.
Muay Thai was at that time even more hardcore than today. If i well remember, until 1980, even groin strikes were legal, and up to '70, headbutt to (just like in Myanmar Lethwey). Back then they were about 300.000 pro Muay Thai fighter in Bangok and around. Like a whole city, from baby born to oldman made of pro hardcore full-contact fighters. Imagine what a hell of a competition was to reach the top of such a pyramid, to reach the top 50 or even top 100. I read some years ago an archive with a history of Kung Fu vs Muay Thai (and not only...). Various martial artists around the world, from Japan and China to US (including Don Wilson and Benny Urquidez) went to Thailand to try their hand, and very very few did fare well.
@Eisen Chao
As far i know, that's a legend, never happened. What happened was fighting with hands wrapped in ropes with knots in the knuckle's area in the older times of Muay Boran, which was banned for combat tournaments somewhere in the '30s, remaining for demos only. But glued and glass on the hands...i never found anything confirmed about that, besides movies (Kickboxer with JCVD for example).
@@sorinturle4599 muay kaad (rope fists) is still done as regular fights. Just not as many fighters like to do it any more. No broken glass though.
@Eisen Chao dambe is known for that
300k seems a bit too high.
don wilson did good though
Vale tudo fights had been a thing for decades LMAO.
For decades but not since the 20s lol. The term vale tudo started being used after 1945
@@hasanc1526 vale tuda literally means "anything goes" im assuming is what he meant. Meaning they was doing it before it was a phrase.
Lei Tai fights had been happening for centuries but were banned when the communists came in.
yeah but they weren't a mainstream thing obviously
I think that Bruce helped popularize the idea of full contact fighting
@@lauri6052 They were in Brazil. How did he do that without really doing any though?
As a film maker myself and deeply being in connection with stunt men, actors, producers etc from the Bourne series, Marvel Universe etc when you travel and make films, you truly are focused primarily on your craft while in that particular location. Very small free time is available for anyone that's main performers or crew. People that are in a scene or two, that have small roles etc will be cut loose early and or have free time before filming sets that last all day long in many cases. However the main actors that are nearly every scene of the movie are always tied up because you have a limited time and budget to get casts amounts of work done. It's even more so with action scenes, because they take the longest to film than any other type of scene period. The constant and daily Choreography, timing, spacing, relying on the concentration, focus, well being etc is a continuous process and on those inevitable "bad days" you will have to spend more time picking up the slack for any said cast or crew. As a fight Choreographer and stunt performer, I can attest to this 100% Rehearsals, practice, getting to bed on time, Choreography etc repeatedly doesn't leave time for wondering and exploring about any new area when on a limited time and budget. Main cast and crew are on set EVERY day, while those who have finished their scenes are free to go and explore. Even so, everyone isn't the exploring type and or may not have the means to. I've been on film shoots and even vacations when I keep it local when off duty and just enjoy my time in the immediate area with the people I'm with at the time. In this type of situation, especially in an age where the internet wasn't around, The chances of not knowing and simply being unaware is much higher than it being a lie.
@Tejin what you "think" has nothing to do with other people's reality. Only yours.
It's not entirely provable, but supposedly, a local Thai boxing champion may have challenged Bruce on the set of "The Big Boss". Bruce knew about Thai Boxing and had definite opinions on it: www.jkdlondon.com/did-bruce-lee-have-a-fight-with-a-muay-thai-fighter-on-the-set-of-the-big-boss/
Im an extra i used to get regular work and the days were usually 14 hours long and start between 5am to 6 30 am, and we were the last to enter and the first to leave !, i cant imagine the hours the crew and you guys do, i am in love with the A.D s i dont know how they can look after hundreds of extras for so long and nefver freak out ! i miss being on film since the coronavirus hit, its the only job i loved.
@Tejin 😂 you've obviously never seen me in the comment section while I'm stoned 🤣🤣 I'll start hitting paragraphs before I know it
@Tejin it's not that big.
I understand dueling is illegal, but the government is also favoring Xu's opponents and the refs/judges appointed are also biased. Why are his opponents not facing any penalties? They make up half of the duel.
bc their opponents have ties with local sport authorities and bc xu is plain off vulgar. The govt is going to everything possible to discourage that attitude, specially if he is a celebrity
Yeah Ramsey's lost a fan in me from this bullshit
China likes to promote a more spiritual Martial art, tai chi and all that.
It brings tourist, and that brings money.
@@12345done6 no man, he's just wrong about one thing. I mean I like everything else he's done, I wouldn't stop watching just because of this one thing he said. Dang
Still a Ramsey fan he got me into this stuff
@@bryanfong1023 yes I wasn't literally asking why, it's just that that is the reason we are displeased right? We don't like the fact that the Chinese government is using their power to control the media and silence the guy. It's not that they can't it's that they shouldn't.
During the time Bruce Lee was operating and calling Karate out for being point fighting, Kyokushin Karate was conducting full contact competitions in a no holds barred format. As you said, Bruce Lee had his vision very limited and sometimes I think he is given more credit than is due.
Even taekwondo back in the 60’s was a full contact sport with few rules.
Kyokushin karate and old school taekwondo were full contact yes, but you were not allowed to punch the face. The full contact was limited to the torso and legs
@@austinsavage i love old school tkd. i think the art lost a lot when it modernised into a sport. swings and roundabouts i suppose.
they allowed punching to the face in tkd and kyokushin?
Braveheart yup i think so too. If u look at old school tkd vs Olympic tkd today, u’d burst out laughing. In Olympic tkd as long as u hv long legs, u can ‘tap’ ur opponent’s head with ur feet and u’d be given full marks for a ‘head kick’. Smh
You're oblivious to street fights. As the great Tito ortiz says:
''Your'e reaching for those grapes. You're trying to make your wine. And the wine is already signing like a violin,.. with that cheese and wine..ahmmm...''
Ahh words floweth like honey from the mouth of Tito thou wordsmith.
deep quote.
I dont understand it.
so it must be deep.
🤣🤣 wong in da house! Better have a cup on!
The Huntington Beach Bad Boy isn't a pro, just a causal poker player!
BARS!!!!
So you're telling me that Bruce wasn't the greatest fighter like me?
He didn't show the round-eye westerners to rip derr borrs off an serve 'em onna dinna table so in many ways you are the real pioneer of Full Contact Martial Arts for Da Streetz....
There is something wong wih this statement....
no offence master, you are a powerful warrior, but you wouldn't be able to stand up to the Legend
such is a difference between a god and a mere mortal
That isn't Master W. He only has 17 subs.
Well, Legend has it Bruce Lee was only 1727,2 mm in height.
The way Gene Lebelle countered that boxer's 1 - 2 combination in that film was crazy!!! O_O
That's how most self-defence experts teach the counters to straight punches, But never seen it action like that, great timing!
He learned boxing before Judo and set that up perfectly. His opponent who was changed last minute was also covered in vaseline.
In the US, the Xu Xiaodong fights would very likely be legal; the "Mutual Combat" concept would almost definitely come into play. That is, even if a police officer did choose to arrest them, the courts would more than likely throw it out (i.e. there is legal precedent for this).
there are very few states where mutual combat is legal -IIRC there are only like 4.
This is actually why Street Beefs exists, they have a mutrual combat law where they're at
@@bemusedalligator "Mutual combat, a term commonly used in United States courts, occurs when two individuals intentionally and consensually engage in a fair fight, while not hurting bystanders or damaging property. *There is not an official law that forbids mutual combat in the United States* .
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@@diddlypoop Title 18 - Criminal Code. ... (1) If two or more persons shall fight by agreement in a public place, except in a sporting event authorized by law, the persons so fighting commit a class 1 petty offense.
Colorado Criminal code. So, yes, there are laws prohibiting mutual combat outside a sanctioned sporting event. Also, should injury or death occur outside a sanctioned event, mutual combat is not a defense against a criminal charge.
Love Ramsey but he’s being careful with what he’s saying . Being in China and all.
What about Pankration? That happened in 648 BC & it was a form of full on fighting where you could do almost anything.
One Olympic champ defended his championship while dead. Look it up its crazy.
@@cosmicnous7772
The rule is literally just no biting
@@cosmicnous7772 ancient Greek wrestling is a sumbision wrestling and no pankration allow any type of strike or hold
@@cosmicnous7772 nope
@@cosmicnous7772 Greeks had kickboxing whey called πυξ λαξ
Joon Rhee, who supposedly taught Lee the kicks that were pretty unique to Taekwondo at the time, said that "Bruce was a guy from San Francisco that was really REALLY good at talking, marketing, and making powerful connections. Bruce didn't really do Kung Fu but rather tried all sorts of different things and got into some fights and learned from that experience."
It was refreshing to hear a more honest and realistic description of Lee from his peer rather than the usual deification that's so commonplace.
speaking of crap. if i hadn't believed in bruce lee's wing chun kung fu i would have been slaughtered by a nasty 3rd dan tai kwon do black belt with 4 followers sitting on couch. after defending for 4 min plus a spinning head/temple kick block, i drove a kick straight into his left ribcage causing him to fold in such a way as his head basically sticking out where a handshake would occur, [ on a platter ]. me 40 and bruces height, the scum bag was 23 and well conditioned, i was only getting 2 maybe three ton of wood orders a week. dont mess with a woodcutter. taztez.
Heard that chuck showed him some high head kick also. Chuck also tkd
I thought “the world” used to refer to America was old news. Bloody hell. Just listen to every country chiming in to the current thing happening over there. Being labeled the “Creator” of something doesn’t depend on who started it but who introduced the most people to it. This has happened throughout history. I’m not a huge Bruce Lee fan outside of his movies but him viewing America as the place to be is no different than that of the Gracees, although for different reasons. Both knew that if they stayed in thier own countries the rest of the world would never know or care abound them. As far as the mma goes, I’ve never seen a interview where Bruce claimed to be the best fighter in the world. This is just another case of fans ruining something because they’re trying to defend thier own egos. The same goes for the whole mma vs tma thing. I’ve never met a mma practitioner who was a ahole too me for doing Taekwondo and I’ve never met a blackbelt who claimed to be superior to a trained fighter. It’s always just fanboys being internet trolls to boost their own egos. Sorry for the rant though.
You don’t have to apologize, somebody has to say it every now and then to keep the ego driven maniacs at bay
Cool rant and I agree
Well the gracie's did. 😁
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for me Bruce is one of the best combat figher in the world, why its not about ego its about fact and evidenced.1 how he use his shaku he beats a world champion tennis player whit it thats a world record maybe, becuose ive never seen anything like it or done it its a imposible accuracy. if i ask you about select a arnis betwen shacku if you chosse arnis uve never yu dont know what shacku is. 2 he kick 4 icn wide tabble i half and thats a wood use by those bullshido. 3 he invent his onw style by learning deffernt style and disregard the useless simplefying it 4 thie alot of fighing using sword back in thousand of year past but ur time hes poiner to lead teach hes oppen minded 5 word class athlet. may those reason are enough.
Besides all other examples you made from Brazil, Thailand, Russia and everywhere:
Boxing is a martial art.
I don't know how this is even a debate.
Bruce Lee : I'm going to destroy all point karate masters with my new full contact style
Mas Oyama: Am I a joke to you?
Bruce Lee: doing two finger push ups, elevated V sits and dragon flags.
Mas Oyama: eeee...nope.
@@eduardoescoban7790 Oyama breaks horn off bull....Bruce wets pants while doing 2 finger pushup/
@@cuzz63 I'm sure fat Oyama was as good farmer as american fat farmers. Shame he was not a matador as well.
The issue whenever Bruce Lee comes up is all of these Hollywood movie translations, he said she said Bruce did this, etc. The reality is this.......A LOT OF US WEREN'T ALIVE WHEN BRUCE WAS ALIVE.
All we can do is take what someone said with a grain of salt and just appreciate what martial artists bring to the table.
Why didn't the xu and the other guys get charge with illegal dueling then, they set up the match he responded so I expect at most the "kungfu masters" to get the harsher punishment, why was he ordered to apologize for insulting traditional martial art instead of peer say breaking the law. I'm not saying what your saying is wrong I know very little about China and the little I know isnt really good so I'm not in a position to make any actual claims, but I feel you didn't really explain/ debunk the Xu situation, all you did was make fun of the people who empathized with him. If they are being fed false information then it is understandable why they would be sorry for him, so I dont think you have to make fun of people who dont know while at the same time not explaining fully they "myth" that was spun about Xu. He wasn't just charge his, life was ruined From, ( according to external reports), I would love for you to tell me I'm wrong.
There are A LOT of myths going around in this subject. I don’t know which ones you have heard. As far as fighting goes in China, the guy who is hurt more is legally the victim, and the guy who is hurt less is legally culpable.
@@RamseyDewey Yeah, but all it is is essentially an MMA match. I fail to see your point here, it's not really dueling, nor were they forced to accept in any way.
Also how tf is his "social credit" score being lowered an adequate response to this situation?
@@RamseyDewey Also you yourself were challenging Master Wong (or accepting his challenge) not too long ago, so how is that situation different?
I think both sides are correct, if Xu had made it a street fight then the government wouldn't have been involved, but because it was publicized like a televised professional bout AND there was also prize money involved, the 'gaming warden' had to step in. If you go fishing and don't tell anybody you don't have a fishing license, then you won't get in trouble. But if you invite your family and friends for a fishing contest, and then put it on RUclips gleaming and sparkling with lights and fireworks, then the gaming warden is gonna give you a visit and want to see fishing, fireworks, gaming, tax, electrical, and boating license. I'm sure in Xu's case he just walked away with the winnings.
Ramsey Dewey Why don’t you made a podcast with him, he is on RUclips too
When are you dropping your Album?
He should seriously think about it. xD xD
Dan Inosanto spoke of how Bruce would study recordings of savate matches. He was an open-minded martial artist. The problem with the mythology of Bruce Lee is that it requires so much debunking. It makes people think that he was a fraud and I don't agree. I know he trained like a madman and have heard many testimonies from other martial artists that he was an exceptional fighter (though he may have not been as well rounded as modern MMA fighters). Alas, we weren't able to see him further develop as a martial artist or actor.
He also was in poverty for a long time prior to and somewhat after the birth of his first child, so his focus behind the scenes was making money to support his family.
@@badgejohnson5596 Lol Bruce was never in poverty. He was a rich kid born to rich actors. He wasn't born to poor or middle class parents
He eventually was broke so did his family cus he grew up in the street his own brother said it himself so idk wym with rich all his life
Bruce is the one who trains one kick weeks , months , years . And put it in to use , the quality wil rise .
@Joe Max Lol you're clueless. Bet you believe that Bruce grew surrounded by gangs and was had to fight to make a living to?
Full contact ?? I'm pretty sure Vale Tudo was going on at this time.
Edit: you just mentioned it lol love this channel
By the way, I've grown to appreciate point sparring. I've tried it after 6 years practicing full contact (Muay Thai, boxing, Goju-Ryu), and point sparring really allows to develop some good timing, distance and footwork skills.
To me it's about as important as full-contact at the moment)
I think it's good for beginners and kids.
to really learn u gotta spar . I wouldn’t do full contact excessively but do it to test myself against other guys who train. it’s not easy especially at the beginning because they have more skills but u learn how to not get hit as well as timing ur technique. haven’t been able to spar in a minute cause of Coronavirus but going to the park to meet a friend this Saturday. I’m gonna try to upload my footage. I won’t have anyone to hold my cam tho. I’ll find a spot to put it . then we can go get some Mexican food.
True I also believe both are important.less injuries and more focus on fine tuning your skills meanwhile full contact makes you understand what works and what doesn't.as a kid I hated point sparring but as I grew up I appreciated it because I trained and completed my training without zero concussions or severe damage to the body.
Point sparring is garbage for fighting
Great video, Ramsey! I honestly never knew a lot of this, about Bruce Lee, the man, and full contact fighting! Great history lesson! Thank you!
"The one eyed man in the land of the blind". Hahahaha.
Also: Bruce Lee was born in San Francisco and eventually lived in Oakland right? Kinda funny people see him as this guy who came from Asia and dominated Hollywood (or at least that was always my perception when I was younger).
He grew up in Hong Kong.
Being of a different race was still a formidable challenge to overcome and it says something about his charisma and talent that he was able to become a legend.
He didn't come back till he was 18. He was raised traditional Chinese.
He grew up in Hong Kong
Oh the days when my account was allowed to curse. I miss those days.
Here's my take on all this. I love Bruce Lee. He was tremendously influential in my development. He was the ambassador to a new world that I never knew existed. But as I get older and keep learning, I realize what he was, and what he wasn't.
One thing I don't think he was, is really interested in fighting. Let me explain what I mean. He was incredibly dedicated. But if he wanted to really test himself, he would have gone to Thailand and learned some Muay Thai. He would have gone to Japan and tried world-class Judo. He would have come to Gleason's Gym and boxed some talented professionals. Yet he didn't. His journey was expressing his art through film. He spent a lot of time acting, looking for work as an actor, and creating his own career. If he really wanted to make a living fighting, there were avenues, but none so lucrative as film.
Your point is valid but only in a romantic philosophical way. How would he pay for all his around the world adventures. Would he became a nomad without family or money. Would he even be famous if he went to each of these in comparison small small venues instead of the big screen
He actually did know judo
For the same reason why today 's fighters from Thailand, Holland don't travel to Hollywood to fight scot atkins or Michael jai white.They are fine martial artists and athletes, but they don't fight professionaly on daily basis.
@jim moreisin He was not a big name when he was alive. He achieved real fame only after his death.
Actually I take issue with that , bruce was solely interested in street survival, not sport and that's a different animal., boxing , judo and even muay thai are sports,
Just the other day I had a long and useless argument about the importance of experience, the fundamentals of fighting and the cliche of "it's for da streetz" vs. Bruce Lee was an unbeatable demigod.
I always tell myself I'm not getting into another RUclips comments discussion yet I always do it again XD
I can see your point, the Bruce Lee fan boys are just not realistic about the guys ability and they buy into all the hype and lies as if it's all true.
Ha! Naysayers, weak sauces. Ofcourse it's for da streets where it counts & not your soft gym mats & taped boxing gloved pulled back punches. Of course you get tired debating against them. Even the great RUclips Ramsey can be seen breaking tiles on his forehead/ groin areas vs these weak arguments against the master if Hollywood, the one...inch punch man. Bruce Lee
@laurence holden They believe the hype that's the first thing then those Lee boys think Bruce Lee is actually like his movie persona able to beat anyone. I have researched Lee's life from birth to his death and what I found may well be shocking and hard to take in to be honest.
he was fighting on rooftops for wing chun and in the streets before exposed to formal karate in usa and rules
Love your content coach!
Blame Dana White and the UFC for pushing the Bruce Lee the Father of MMA claim.
That being said Lee's stance of taking what works and removing what doesn't sounds a lot better than the Gracies' Gracie Jiu-jitsu is unbeatable philosophy when it comes to MMA.
Except BJJ is very effective. you're telling me a guy like Firas Zahabi is telling me a lie when they say that BJJ is the most effective grappling system?
@@theterrar3566 it's certainly effective but not unbeatable as proven by Sakuraba a catch /shoot wrestler. You can't rely on BJJ alone in an MMA fight.
@@Elementa2006 Sure but no one claimed it was. It's the best grappling system. I think that we all can agree
There is no denying that Xu was heavily censored in China and there is on going, intentional effort from the chinese authority to undermine his influence.
No he wasn’t. His fights were and still are all over the internet in China. Nobody censored them.
xu has already sold himself out to CCP，that's why he can beg for money on RUclips from China. just think about it.
@@RamseyDewey His social media channels are routinely deleted. There must be some reasons for that.
Great stuff. Subbed. You deserve more viewers this is great content, very intelligent and insightful channel. Thank you 👍
Tbh, I never thought about it that way, but you are absolutely right. You just changed my look at Bruce Lee quite a bit, since in my mind, for some reason, despite knowing of vale tudo and sambo, I always took him for being revolutionary with his combination of styles. Thank you for helping me to notice my mistake.
Speaking of BL myths and sticking to "dogma"... My friend said that all of Bruce' physique, the lats development etc. was the result of practicing martial arts only. "No weightlifting and diet sh...t, just pure ancient hocus-pocus!". Man, he was so angry when I showed him the picture of Lee doing barbell arm curls...
Bruce Lee was definitely aware of Muay Thai, he included several techniques from it in his book
Bruce Lee didn't like Muay Thai! You thought it was primitive and outdated but he was full of s***!!!!!!!!!!
Love your channel Sir ⚡👍👍
That's what i'm talking about for years at the RUclips community but many ignorant, delusional and oblivious bruce lee fans call me hater.Every real combat martial arts fighter has the same opinion like you and i, cause if someone don't fight he isn't a fighter, its simple as beans.I appreciate for your sincere and realistic view on this matter cause i'm tired of explaining to people that bruce lee wasn't what they think he was.Ossu!!!
I told my brother when he asked me why I didn't try to go pro as a boxer. And I told him it's levels to being a fighter. It takes a certain type of person to take that kind of physical punishment over and over. It's almost like fighting for your food everyday.
laurence holden me too. It’s a little bit of a what if for me. But at the same time I have to much respect for what fighters do to let it ever truly bother me.
Sport fighting can be done by aholes all over, why bad mouth Bruce Lee,,
Intro worked well like this with the smooth music and you already talking🤙🏽
Bruce knew about Muay Thai and he left some comments in his book. "Commentaries on the martial way"
He didn't seem to be a fan of it iirc.
Although Bruce wasn't the inventor of MMA he created his way of fighting g which is called JKD, in this way of fighting footwork is a big part of the curriculum and if you look at MT footwork isn't their main focus because there are no DL or SL or any TD allowed except sweeps and clinch throws. I do train both stiles JKD and Muay Thai (martial arts in general since over 33 years) and JKD wants mobility because you have to be well rounded like in MMA to avoid TD and or to do them on yourself. People like Wonderboy Thompson or Jon Jones or McGregor would have a hard time with their way of moving (which is exactly the same as in JkD) when they would face MT fighters under MT rules. Maybe they would win but due to the fact that their stances are wider their front legs would get damaged.
There is a good old fight between Rick Roufus vs some Thai fighter under limited MT rules. (no clinching and no elbows) and Rick lost.....BUT in the first round after 1.33 min or so, can't remember exactly, Rick knocked the Thai fighter down broke his jaw and if it was an MMA fight he could finish him on the ground or kick him in his face easily. What I wanna say is, rules determine your way of practice and determine your development of skill set. Bruces approach to fighting was more of an MMA-ish way of fighting with (dirty/necessary) stuff.
@@pancho43 Does JKD cover ground fighting that much ? He only incorporated grappling because Gene LeBell put him in a headlock he couldn't escape .
No unfortunately not that much. But I'm sure if Bruce had the chance to meet Helio Gracie back in the 60/70is he would've incorporated more of ground work into JKD, I think also that Bruce would loved Helios way of fighting because Helio was also a small man and had amazing skills that Bruce could related himself to, being also small.
People often forget that back in the 60 martial arts in general were very rare, almost super exotic on TV shows or movies. Today everybody does kicks and armbars in shows like Criminal Minds aso....Brazil was far far away in those times. Today I'm sitting on my sofa as Serbian from Switzerland chating on an American mans video filmed in Shanghai China about Bruce Lee. That was science fiction back then.
@@pancho43 "if you look at MT footwork isn't their main focus because there are no DL or SL or any TD allowed except sweeps and clinch throws."
That seems odd to me; isn't footwork a big deal in boxing, where only punches are allowed?
Awesome video.. thanks for sharing
Just joined my first real mma gym and I gotta say man I love you videos. Just by the way you talk I can tell you’re focused on knowledge and actually take time to think. Man just to sit down and talk with you would be amazing. Keep up the great videos!
I love the footage.
About Xu, I have no information so I can't say anything, but you did not explain the situation.
The question (again question not a claim) remains to be not if the duels have to be licensed or not, but can he acquire license to fight traditional martial artists in China comparing to acquiring that licence in Europe or US
Ramsey is in China so if he doesn't agree with the government he'll end up in prison.
^exactly lol I raise my brow when all of the commentary has a positive spin to it. Idk
The music is amazing man.
One of your best video discussions 👍.
Great video!!! Keep up the good work.
Perhaps Lee's most important contribution was to present Krishnamurti's iconoclastic and paradigm shattering philosophy in a form it could be understood illustrated within martial arts.
@Christopher Culley No, Krishnamurthy was a Hindu from India.
Here is in example: sourcingbrucelee.blogspot.com/2017/08/to-be-is-to-be-related.html
@Christopher Culley Taoism man Taoism, with of course little of Buddhism tradition. His favourite was Alan Watts.
At my old job me and my co worker were talking about Martial Arts and he said this ridiculous statement that Bruce Lee could hang with any UFC fighter ; I laughed in his face and replied “Anyone who thinks Bruce Lee could beat a UFC fighter has no idea what real martial arts is.” Bruce Lee’s own delusional fans don’t even know that he said something along the lines of “ a man with months worth of training in boxing or wrestling would beat a lifelong martial artist.”
So glad you spoke some truth about the media. Thanks for using your platform for this 🙏🏻 another relevant Bruce quote “you have to learn to control your emotions, because if you don’t, your enemies will use them against you”
I love the informative Brucey vids.
Back in ancient Rome, gladiators were fighting tigers, lions, bears, and rhinos for their lives. They were ahead of our times in terms of caged fights.
Pompey used damnatio ad bestias for showcasing battles and, during his second consulate (55 BC), staged a fight between heavily armed gladiators and 18 elephants. The most popular animals were lions, which were imported to Rome in significant numbers specifically for damnatio ad bestias.
American wrestling was quite large in the 1960's as well. Guys like Dan Gable were around getting lots of attention during this time and achieving great things on a worldwide scale. Didn't seem Bruce took time to understand that aspect as well.
One of your most important videos, mate.
"Mutual Combat," i.e. fights between two people who agree to the contest is still legal in some states in the US. It's where money starts being made on it that the government takes issue with.
t. used to fight in my backyard with buddies and when the cops came we used the specific term 'mutual combat' and they would either A) leave or B) hang around and watch to "make sure no one really got hurt"
Bruce Lee popularized mixed combat. That is all. He was a superstar.
He brought eyes to mixed combat. Is what I am trying to say.
Exactly.He caught alot of flack for it,too.
@@jhernandez7144 in his tradition it was heresy to even think about training the same discipline from a rival lineage never mind actually training multiple arts. he was an early advocate of cross training in his community but obviously there were folks around the world doing exactly that for millennia.
@@jhernandez7144 Judo Gene LeBell & the Greeks (pankration) bought eyes to MMA before BL..fact*
Bruce Lee taught Elvis... Who was an FBI agent under NIXON!... during the cold War!!
That means Bruce beat those Russians!!
No, I heard it was Ed Parker who trained Elvis.
I hope you are joking
I'm just getting this video in my feed, now?wow gold!!!! I'm loving these videos.
Thanks!
Oh man, how true your words are about America and the media, today, and this video is now nearly a year old. Great video post!
You can trace the genesis of modern mixed martial arts to any number of sources: Vale Tudo, the various mixed-rules challenge matches of the late 19th/early 20th century, Japanese pro wrestling "shoot matches", etc. But I don't think Bruce Lee is one of them, which is why I often roll my eyes at people calling him "the grandfather of MMA" or something to that effect.
I *do* think it's fair to say that he helped to influence or *contribute* to the growth of MMA and the mindset that fostered it, however. If only because he was a charismatic man with a large cult following that openly advocated mixing of styles rather than rigid adherence to tradition, along with acknowledging the value of combat sports relative to TMAs.
And finally -- the biggest one here -- he was a martial arts icon that many MMA fighters grew up watching on the silver screen. I've lost count of how many interviews I've seen where professional fighters mention getting into martial arts in the first place simply because "they watched a lot of Bruce Lee movies as a kid and wanted to emulate him". Getting an entire generation engaged with martial arts is in and of itself an indirect contribution to MMA.
Unfortunately people go too far and oversell the point by acting like MMA (or full-contact fighting in general) was Lee's brainchild or something. That's a disgrace to Bruce and the earliest of fighters who were pioneering the field decades before he was even born.
They had MMA in ancient Greece. lol
Bruce Lee already trained in boxing in hong kong and the US, he watched countless times the most famous boxing matches at his time.
I really like the outro music- how did you make it?
I love that line about being an American. I also am a first-generation American, born from Jamaican parents. Just subbed to you.
I think some Bruce Lee zealots take your comments too personally. I think there's fair few people out there that didn't get into martial arts because of this man. He's a hero to many, including myself.
Though the overblown myths about the man do him little justice and some even counter every thing the man was about.
Fair play to the guy for hanging about with point fighters and trying to get them to do actual fighting. It's a shame he didn't get into the ring himself (given that those venues were available to him) so we could have got a proper assessment of his skill outside of a sparring video and a bunch of dubious demonstrations.
Though people need to realise that he wasn't a fighter. He simply wasn't. He was an actor that sadly died early into his own career.
Brazil had vale tudo at the time... Mas Oyama's dojo in Tokyo had full contact anything goes sparring... and much more... Bruce Lee mentions muaythai in his Tao of Jeet Kun Do book and drew diagrams of Thai kick methods in the book.
Bruce may of not started mix martial arts but he definitely brought it to life. Meaning he the most responsible for most people wanting to become martial artist. Anderson Sylvia one of the greatest ufc fighters became a martial artist because of Lee myself and millions more. Rip dragon
I respect your craft, Ramsey. I have been into boxing my whole life; got my pro-boxing license in Japan in 2007. It took me a while to get into MMA,It grew on me. I love MMA now that I have a better understanding of it.
Hey Coach i Think You forgot about Pankration the First Hybrid Martial Art originate in Greece in 648 BC in the 33rd Olympiad my ancestors created thousand Years ago mixing Boxing which originate from Mesopotamia and Wrestling originate from Egypt. Right now am Training Kyokushin , Boxing , and Pankration i has really helped me in my amatuer MMA fights i really want to know what is your thoughts on pankration.
What was the state of pankration in Greece in the 1960’s?
Jim Aravanitis, the father of modern pankration was cross training different styles in the 60s. It wasn't a full contact sport at that time.
@@RamseyDewey A lot of Time has Passed Since the 8th century BCE and Greece since then have gone through a lot of Wars and a 400 year slavery but Boxing and Wrestling were always popular here. The only places that pankration was still alive were the villages that pankration olympians come from like Thasos,Thebes,Skotoussa,Sparta and Rhodes that was the only places pankration was active at the time but in greece they were plenty of Boxing,Wrestling fights at that time. Pankration was practiced as an Olympic event for over a thousand years, and remained the focus of a hoplite’s training program for just as long a period and Alexander the Great help to spread it in Asia and giving birth to eastern martial arts.
@@nmn8829 Jim Arvanitis
Bruce was aware of Muay Thai and even commented on it during a conversation with his friend Dan Lee. What *you* said is mis-information. And just because Gene Lebell fought a Boxer which was a style vs Style match, That was hardly MMA the way Bruce was espousing. Do you think the First UFC was Modern MMA as it is today? It was nothing but an advertisement for Gracie Jujitsu and its effectiveness with a Style Vs Style match up at a time when Not many people knew what it was. Guess what happened when everyone WISED up to what it was? Gracies are now no where to be found in the Top Ten of MMA competitors. Modern MMA as it exists today, validates what Bruce was saying all along. Moreover, the whole notion of MMA in the way Bruce was expressing it was NOT expressed back in those days, even if Vale Tudo existed. That is the difference. And finally, let's get one thing straight, Jeet Kune DO is NOT MMA. It is not even a style, and was Bruce's personal expression of the martial arts in which he encouraged his students and followers to pursue what works for them, "using no way as way, and no limitation as limitation " There is a subtle difference.
Slimz, I agreed with you
Yes because it was obscure to the rest of the world
As a fighter, and Chinese Boxer, I questioned Bruce Lee. Not out of disrespect, but because I have the right to think for myself. Your right.
Hey coach!, I just wanna say thanks for inspiring to improve myself In my work! Especially with your discussion about the Russian Work Ethic :D
“Bruce Lee was a wimp”
- Chael Sonnen
I love that video. Out of context it sounds so mean, but man, it’s one of the best things on RUclips.
One of the best aside from yours, of course!
I've got a question coach! How and why did you move to China? What is the benefits vs the bad about living there?
To think there was ever a time when two people never agreed to beat eachother up without protection is hilarious but I don't think that's the only reason people love Bruce. He was also a philosopher and a movie star. We love his wisdom and we love his passion. We love him for his help getting the world to NOTICE martial artists. And we love his dedication to the art and to himself.
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I think part of Bruce Lee that also adds to Bruce Lee's mystique is his untimely death. We can't help but wonder where he would of went and how it would have continued to change the world. Perhaps if he had lived longer he would even be less famous. But the fact he vanished before he had a chance to do something people disliked means he went out leaving us wanting more.
I have been doing karate for 5 years now and it was always point sparring, once you land a strike, you stop. Recently I've been doing full contact sparring and it's a thrill. I don't think I'm gonna be able to go back to karate.
And for Lee’s so called “legendary speed” point based fighting would be ideal but for some reason he never tested himself in tournaments, it’s just asinine to me
Bob Wall said that Bruce ego wouldnt let him. He couldnt take losing, which he would have.
Bruce Lee actually mentioned how the Thais kick in an interview. I believe it was his last audio interview. He was very aware.
What software do you use to drop those beats? They sound nice :)
Thank you for this.
I love it when you debunk the Bruce Lee myths. He didn’t compete cause it would have exposed him and ruined his brand
He did compete. Many say bruce lee had superior fighting ability after he beat them up
@@rickocconnell9056 That’s because he was beating up wimps and dorks
I don't know about that, Louis Delgado, ernst lieb.... skipper mullins, who said he'd pick bruce in any street situation. A lot of tough guys vouch for him, Ed Parker, Haywards nishioka. Etc etc etc etc etc etc etc, rinse and repeat
@@rickocconnell9056 1.) in order to be a fighter you have to fight/compete. Bruce has almost never done this. For all of Bruce Lee’s bravado and story telling he only has one “fight” that is backed with substantial evidence (photographical and documented), it was an amateur highschool boxing match. His contest with Wong Jack Man has no photographical evidence, no video evidence, and all of the eye witnesses were pupils of Bruce and none of their stories matched up...sketchy to say the least. So competitively he has 1 fight to his name.
2.) he claimed his reasoning for not competing in combat sports was there was no avenues of competition available to him other than point karate...that was simply not true. Boxing, wrestling, TKD, American kickboxing, and Judo were available to him. He also lived in Thailand while filming a movie and had every opportunity to partake in Muay Thai and didnt. There were even mixed rules bouts going on at the time (Gene Lebell a judo guy fought full contact in a ring with a boxer). He did not compete because it would have exposed him and ruined his brand/legacy.
3.) his fans have the audacity to say that a celebrity with 1 amateur fight could easily beat JCVD, Chuck Norris, Dolph Lundgren, Muhammad Ali...guess what all of these people have in common? They were champions in their forms of striking with a multitude of documented fights fights unlike Bruce Lee.
4.) he was a physical super freak...yet another myth. Yes he was in fantastic shape but this mythical unbeatable legend that his fanbase paints him as doesn’t line up with the reality that he was a 5’8 135lb guy who lacked testosterone because he had a medically undescended testicle and also had a sinus disorder and horrible eye sight. The army wouldn’t even take him. Even if he did have the guts to compete I’m not sure a commission would allow someone that fragile to fight.
5.) “he invented mixing style/mma”...not true. Pankration was an ancient style practiced in Greece that combined Greco Roman wrestling with boxing, sambo is a Russian style that combined judo/wrestling/boxing/kickboxing that has existed before Bruce was even born, bar jitsu was a style that combined pugilism and jiu Jitsu, Kudo was around which is a form of karate that is very similar to sambo in that it was a combination of styles (boxing, karate,bjj,wrestling,Judo)...etc. and before Bruce even began mixing styles there were a multitude of combat athletes who cross trained in wrestling and boxing. There were many mixed rules fights and Vale Tudo bouts that took place including Gene Lebell a judo practitioner fighting a boxer full contact in a ring before Bruce was even relevant. He may have made it more popular but it was already happening at the time.
6.) never lost a fight...nope. Judo Gene Lebell sparred with him back stage and mauled him like a bear and even lifted him over his head. Bruce was so angered by this he screamed “LET ME DOWN OR I WILL KILL YOU”. Multiple eyewitnesses have all shared the exact same story all of which matched up.
7.) “but Chuck Norris and Joe Lewis said he was a great fighter”...let me put it to you this way...Anderson Silva and Lyoto Machida will swear up and down that Steven Segal taught them the kick that won them their UFC titles. Is that the truth? No, it is the admiration 2 fighters had for a Hollywood icon they grew up watching on the big screen cloud the fact that he was just an actor looking to chase some clout by hanging out with some real fighters and ride their coattails.
8.) HE BASICALLY SAID SO HIMSELF! Bruce Lee said later in his life that anyone who trained in boxing or wrestling for 1 year could beat a life long martial artists...All of Bruce’s training was from lifelong traditional style martial artists in Hong Kong.
Bruce was seen as the best martial artist at the time. Its up to you to challenge him if your not a believer. He doesn't need to do what you want him to do to be considered a fighter.
Bruce was happy for everyone to see him as the best. So there was never any idea he hadn't proved himself.
I'm sure when everyone was acknowledging bruce was the best martial artist Bruce's first instict wasnt to go to Russia and compete in tough guy competitions, or fight exhibition fights like lebel! If you think he's not as good as article claims, or if you think he's fake, you challenge him its as simple as that!
I’ll say this. There’s been a concerted effort in the past 20 years to tarnish and discredit Bruce lee’s legacy and image. A lot of people, especially MMA/UFC people are extremely ignorant and misinformed about the guy saying such nonsense such as he “couldn’t fight” or was just an “actor”. He didn’t compete. So what. Not everyone wants to compete on a professional level. I don’t think most people enjoy getting punched in the face or getting into fights for the sake of it. Gene label doesn’t know what day of the week it is and spins his own tales and stories. It’s known he likes to make things up, he’s just as guilty as Steven seagal in that regard.
Anyone who says ridiculous things such as “I’ve been in hundreds of fights” is an ego manic with a major chip on their shoulder. What the hell are you doing with your life to be getting into that many fights? I’m not talking about competing here. Chuck Norris often like’s to say how he was a “champion” and Bruce wasn’t.
Chuck Norris did point karate. He likes to talk about how him and Bruce where friends, yet he’s done nothing but slander him since he died whenever the topic comes up about his skills. Some friend he is.
Bruce was legit, he was incredibly gifted. He died unexpectedly and as a result is frozen in time. The comparisons between him and today’s so called “martial artists” is an absolute joke. He’s been gone for almost 50 years. The guy is gone. But he left behind a body a work the majority of us will never accomplish in our lives and he achieved it in only 32 years. I do not think the majority of people today can even compare to him in terms of his attributes and abilities. Bruce lee was a work in progress and died as a work in progress, but none the less was more than capable of defending himself. I think the disrespect, slander and blatant attempt to ruin his legacy is shameful. He had people saying the same shit to him back when he was alive. It takes a long time to find out information about Bruce lee because a lot of information is not easy to find nor common knowledge. I myself only recently learnt new information and I’ve been trying to find things out for a long time. He’s done so much beyond just martial arts, but that seems to be the thing people obsess over.
Even if you don’t like him, that’s on you. It seems people have their own issues about Bruce that actually has nothing to do with him. Insecurity perhaps. I just feel like the disrespect needs to stop. It’s shameful to be honest. Give credit where it’s due. This isn’t directly aimed at you Ramsey, just seems like a lot of people have got a major chip on their shoulder when it comes to Bruce and I think that says more about them then about him.
Read the 3rd word in this video’s title so you know who this message is directed towards. You seem to have missed that important detail.
@@RamseyDewey no it’s not that. I just feel in general there’s a lot of spiteful remarks about Bruce. I watched the video. There’s always been full contact stuff through history 🤷♂️
@@RamseyDewey probably should have posed this on another video rather than this one since this wasn’t really aimed at this particular video.
I would have never heard of Vale Tudo and others you mentioned and the clips you showed if you didn't talk about Mr. Lee in this video. Your point at the end about him popularising MMA and full contact fights is the main point about Bruce. Let's give him credit for shinning a light on what existed before him but many would not have heard about it if it wasn't for him.
My question to you Ramsey is what do you think of rapid assault tactics course which originated from Paul vunnack in jest June do and do you see it as legitimate since it was presented to navy seal team six as part of their training
Sorry Ramsey, but YOU are oblivious in what Bruce Lee said or promoted in martial arts. He knew muay thai existed he SURELY knew BOXING existed if you had the book with his notes it's obvious ,as many other styles.In that era, was sth that in many classical styles wasnt "allowed" by their teachers at that time(even today teachers dont like their students to do other stuff and leave them cause it's bad business) .The man wasnt even allowed to be taught cause his grandmother was German. Bruce Lee openly mixed martial art styles ,never said he was the first one, but at that time a guy that knows karate , kung fu ,judo , fencing boxing ,savate and every other style he adopted from must be extremely rare, even in today standards (unless you are tought those stuff in a cucruculum as a unity like JKD concepts).He had the idea of realistic training for combat and had the passion to evolve it to it's perfection.To think that a guy who thinks martial arts all day went to Thailand and never even thought of even seeing muai thai is so over the sky . This is the first video that i think you dont know what you are talking about thus the long essay.
Agree with Paul Phoenix
I believe Ramsey ignores some history issues.
During 1960s, information was not as easy to access as today. We can not demand people who lived in that era can know as much as we are today.
In Hong Kong, the 1st full contact fighting tournament was held in 1971. Before 1971, boxing is the only legal fighting competition in HK.
Bruce Lee knew muay thai exists before he went to US. He did talk about muay thai with his students, he said he loves savate, a combat art from France.
Not to mention about vale tudo, I am sure that not much people had heard of Gracie jiu jitsu or Brazilian jiu jitsu in the 1960s.
In addition, sambo was recognised in US around the early 1970s. Which is after Bruce Lee' death, and soviet union green-lighted combat sambo for the public in the mid 1980s and combat sambo was introduced to US after the fall of the iron curtain.
Sanda? It was popular in Taiwan during Bruce Lee's childhood. His wingtsun mentor WONG, Shun-leung experienced an epic fail in a Taiwan sanda match. In addition, Sanda in china was developed after the culture revolution.
@@superfatbobtail Mhm.
Love ya Ramsey, thanks for teaching me so much.
Bruce Lee deserves acclaim for what he achieved in the film industry, not for his fighting prowess in real life. It’s a shame so many people see him as an all round god. He was very influential in terms of the martial arts genre of film and media in general. People like Jackie Chan, Jet Li and lots of others took inspiration from him. But in terms of real life martial arts, he didn’t contribute much. People need to separate fact from fiction more often, when it comes to martial arts. It doesn’t help that even some MMA fighters idolise Bruce Lee, and don’t show enough respect for the others that came before him that were involved in real life fights.
wow thanks Ramsey i too assumed there was little to no full contact martial artys outside muay thai kick boxing and boxing ! thanks for informing me !
Powerful. Thank you. Time to start some myths about you, man. 🙃
A pleasure as always Ramsey, however as an American living in the country, a kung fu and bjj practitioner and instructor and also a dual citizen living year in and year out in 2 different countries throughout my childhood as well as the European countries I have to say a couple of things on why I am slightly disappointed at this video:
1) Have you read the Tao of Jeet Kune do? it really doesn't seem like it, maybe you don't remember? I don't mean to sound rude, but maybe it is you who is oblivious to this or at least sound oblivious in these statements, Lee wrote in detail about about muay thai ( thai boxing) pros and cons, he even had sketches of stances and uses of elbows, savate, western boxing, jujitsu and freestyle wrestling and even sketches of heel hooks and ankle locks ( probably Gene taught him that who by the way had nothing but great things to say about Lee)
2) He didn't invent cross training in martial arts, of course, but he was one of the first to write extensively about all the styles in the east and west at the time, those western boxers shaking their heads you speak about also had dogmas and holes in their combat, probably thinking all eastern arts were nonsense as well, through his influence and philosophical approach was able to breach the barrier between east and west and in that he was indeed a pioneer, by this video's judging standard then, ufc or anything else nowadays is also not revolutionary either.. that is why Dana white says Bruce Lee was one of if not the father of mma and he is not wrong.
3) Yes, Bruce Lee was an American citizen, he was born there, but not raised, he spent most of his developmental years in Hong Kong, his first language was not English ( obviously you can tell by his accent) therefore he was more Hong Kongian than anything, where you are born matters a lot less than your actual culture and appearance, as you may or may not know, it's very different when your first language is English and also you are white or at least white looking, even though you may be an immigrant or a son of immigrant parents, ( you may be born an American, but if you don't speak like an American or look like one is a very different story) he was happy to be both and proud to be able to breach those barriers, to stomp on both dogmas and shine both benefits and ultimately to find your own path ( pride I think should be reserved for the things we achieve on our own, not where we happen to be born) to say that he did is much as Stallone did for boxing is a pretty distasteful and ill informed statement, sorry. I appreciate you though :3 excellent content 99% of the time .. 1% being this video.
Jesus1 Lee`s martial arts moves were miles above Stallone`s boxing, Sly didn`t spar at all and his fight scenes just involved him getting hitr alot then punching, surely Ramsey knows Lee`s skill level was miles above Stallones!
There are an awful lot of racist white nationalists leaving similar comments on this video about how if you’re not white you’re not American. Keep that racist garbage off my channel! Last warning!
You mean first and last? and excuse me, RACIST ? You read my spanish name right? I'm not sure you understand, yet again, my point was that a lot of people in America THOUGHT like that, especially white people in the 50's 60's and it was/is AWFUL, and for that reason I said that one is treated differently when you are white or white enough and english is your first language ( like you for example) vs being a tan hong kong man with a heavy accent, which is what Bruce was, he encountered quite a lot of adversity here in America as well, thus way more culturally hongkongian than American, also his ancestors house is an attraction in Foshan.
You implied that because he was not in mainland China and he was born in the US he was mostly American ( which is not true at all) he was born there and had every right live and be there but to white americans he wasn't an american, awfully wrong as that is, and that was my point. :/ that's why I said "he was happy to be both"
Also, you failed to mention my other, more important points about you misintepreting history and not knowing and/or reading his book, which of course now I reckon more obviously so, that you didn't since you are stating that he did as much for martial arts as what stallone did for boxing. * vomit*
Dissapointed by your response and context interpretation as well, pity.
@@markant9534 I know right ?
@@RamseyDewey Bruh what
My man Ramsey thanks for being honest and dropping knowledge bombs on ignorant followers
What we have got remember is we have the benefit of hindsight on documented events of these fighting tournaments and the internet to easily inform people. People didn't have that luxury back then. I doubt most people in the 60's even knew the most famous fighters that Ramsey Dewey is referring to in this video, such as Chuck Norris, Joe Lewis, Bill Wallace, Bob Wall and Mike Stone, that Bruce trained with.
Most of the Western world only heard of Bruce after the theatrical release of Enter The Dragon, by which time he had, sadly, already passed away. From documentaries I watched on Bruce Lee, friends in America heard the news late of his passing, and some didn't even believe it, as it was so hard to verify quickly back then.
Completely different age of media and information.
Bruce Lee knew about muay thai as far as I'm aware, maybe he thought it was too strict?
Bruce Lee knew muay thai before he went to US. However, what impressed him are savate, boxing, judo and wrestling.
you defending CPC is ridiculous. Yeah, Xu Xiadong might have fought some fights illegally (although what was the difference compared to ordinary hard sparing in a gym? You are obviously being untruthful in comparing it to some tournament), but that has nothing to do with the fact that he's indeed being persecuted by deleting his social media accounts and lowering his social credit so that he can't do almost anything. Do you think that the people who were fighting against him were punished in the same way? Surely nothing to do with him speaking out about Honkgkong, right?
In most of your videos, it seems that you have a strong sense of morality, so I don't know whether you've been persuaded by propaganda or if the bootlicking is a part of doing business in China...
You are confusing an explanation of how laws work in every country around the world with a political agenda.
@@RamseyDewey no, I am not confusing anything because in some other countries are courts of law actually independent and impartial.
And it's hard not to see political agenda when you're talking about him being punished for illegal fighting but only thing that can be found in english* is that he was sentenced for defamation of tai chi master (who definitely deserved being called fraud)
* there is a marginal possibility that *everything* in english is wrong, so I'd love to see something in chinese that says the same thing as you are
Gene Lebell... 87 years old still alive... trained: Rhonda Rhousy, Chuck Norris, Parisyan, Ed Parker etc... He seems to have trained all kinds of superstars in martial arts... he did boxing, judo, wrestling, taihojutsu... He had a career in Judo, CatchWrestling (WWE style), movies... Time for a new dogma
You're exactly right about the media . Good job
Damm, kung fu would be cool if there were no dueling rules/laws
I would have loved to see the gene lebell fight if the boxer had no gi. Hehe
Yep! Wearing a gi for Milo Savage was a weird concession to make for that fight.
I heard that he wore a greased Karate Gi, so Gene couldn't properly grab it and also that he loaded his gloves. There was so much weird stuff going on around this match
They weren’t loaded gloves, they were standard bag gloves with a metal grip bar (which should never be used for fighting)
@@RamseyDewey right? Why even make those kind of gloves? I had some when I was a kid.
@@RamseyDewey it might have been the only way at the time to make it sporting. Gi less judo or bjj is a newer thing right? Gi less judo doesn't exist.
Hey coach what's the skill difference between the top professional fighters vs top amateur fighters? Eg amateur boxing vs professional boxing, combat sambo vs professional MMA, kudo vs professional MMA, Sanda fighter vs K1 or Glory fighters.
I began training in what you call the point karate days. While it's true tournaments were judged by points, we sparred continuously in the dojo, not point sparring, and we hit each other. The only place we were careful was with face strikes. This was for two reasons, one, we did not wear any gloves so face strikes caused a lot of damage. And two, it was bad for business if the instructors had beat up faces.
I don’t understand the need to trash a dead man... could it be jealously?
He is not trashing anyone. People's delusions about what works and what doesn't in a fight are dangerous and the whole Bruce Lee myth has contributed a lot to this problem. Is it trashing to call him what he was? Isn't it a bigger insult to his memory and philosophy to blindly accept myths instead of seeking the truth?
The only people who are being “trashed” are the very much alive fools on the internet propagating false information.
Today I learned that telling the truth about something is "trashing" someone. I guess you learn something new everyday lol.
It's the absurd idolatry that mythology creates lies, that he is mocking... And rightly so.
Ramsey Dewey dead men can’t defend their honor
Great explication about Xu Xiaodong, the political blindness makes western see all that occurs in marxist countries as political oppression,as comunist oppression, even when the same thing occurs in most of western countries.
Ramsey is an anti marxist too.
@@masterwrong4933 and that is ok to me. I'm not here for economics or politics, but even Ramsey, the antimarxist (at least according you), didn't buy this "chinese repression" narative.
Ramsey what DAW program do you use to record your music? Is it Protools?... Logic Pro?... ???
Ramsey Dewey
the illusion-destroyer !
Always great content... Thank You.