Yall just don't get it do you it don't matter if you go independent or not you will still get that phone call or unexpected visit from the powers that be especially if you have any type of impact over your community or any other community is it best to not just do music at all if you plan on doing music just do it for yourself and your family simple
I hate that y’all say things like this lol y’all try to single out a single person “PRINCE TRIES TO TELL YALL” like if everyone hasn’t been telling y’all about record deals from the beginning of time
@@andyleo8418 Not true. Independent artists may not have the same visibility as label artists, but they are able to build a small audience through social media and sustain a modest living by doing what they love. 99% of label artists music remain shelved while they are stuck with that label and owe a massive debt.
@@ElStanleysMusic-pb9jm yeah but he had to finesse it. I notice every rapper or singer that actually understands their contract has to finesse their way out of it like you said.
@@TizzTv nah he didn't finesse his way out, he finessed his way in. The deal with Russ was a partnership deal, not a signed under the label deal. So he retains rights to everything hes already done and will do in the future, they only have access to what he does with them during their contracted period. Most these rappers aren't financially literate so they get a big advance, and blow it on material ish... then when the music doesn't recoup they complain about how they're trapped by the label.
Bro what are you saying? Ne-Yo blew up in the mid 2000s, everyone already knows he was huge, he's still one of the greatest singer song writers of the last 20 years.
@@StochasticWolf I’m saying I’m a Pro musician and my experience tells me that Ne-Yo was very famous. Not talking about the time period of his fame. Trust me.
@@BobbyGeneric145 Because the strategy is to keep the artist indebted to them, especially if they’re successful. The more and longer an artist is successful and keeps re-upping on ‘advances’ (new contracts) the longer they’ll be getting paid back plus all of the other money the artist is bringing in. The purpose of a 360
@@BobbyGeneric145because they don’t care lol. well the people in charge do but everyone else could care less. a&rs will go on trips with people’s budgets
When I hear Real Stories like this... the Music Industry just pisses me off... when it comes to Record Deals. It shows how Young Artists have been Manipulated in the Past. Hopefully Everyone is a lot more Educated Now.
I’ve got some friends that are basically unknown artists. They can produce like crazy. Lots of their shit was stolen and further stolen. It’s a game of crooks .
Singing out loud was actually his way of keeping his voice in shape until the right opportunity came which is what every artist needs to do in the meantime
I would’ve been pissed at someone else having my song without telling me, but I get and like Filly’s point about knowing you’re capable of a hit song. Taking a negative situation and making something positive out of it can’t be wrong, it puts fire in your belly.
Bro I’m so hurt.. Neyo always been my top favorite artist of my generation(born 89). I also love Marques Houston’s music, and “that girl” is one of my favorites. Considered a classic in mines. And now to hear this from Neyo, I can’t even listen to it with so much beautiful childhood memories and joy no more.. damn.. love you Neyo !
I remember hearing something like this back in the 90s. Toni Braxton. Its a shame that desperation will cause most artists to go through similar things, even with all the info available.
it’s not desperation. Think about being told you would get every help and every support for your music. That’s an opportunity I think every independent artist will jump on
Things turned around for Neyo, I want to shake Tango's hand for that 🏆 Record deals have always been slave contracts. Debt slaves. The days of 'Ne-Yo's making it to the top despite it all are over. As if that's not enough, they control what you do, what music you do, who you work with, when and how your music comes out.. despite you footing the bill for everything. If you work with their Satanic agendas you will get a break, and profit. It's simple. Lucifer is the master of music. God made it so. He has enslaved us all, knowing that music and singing was created for worship. Be independent! Stay independent.
remember listening to "Schaffer Lonely Sad & Blue" back in 2000 in NYC cable radio the same exact time Bilal's single hit "Soul Sista" was released into heavy rotation. I was like, "Who is this German-American White dude doing on urban radio....man he's good"...and then 7 years later, I found he out that Schaffer changed his name to Ne-Yo.
This clip got ruined by the nonsensical commentary. Neyo has years of experience and industry knowledge, and they’re inserting a lazy opinion like it makes sense
Being shelved by a record company is humiliating but them not letting you go after they shelve you is criminal. Ruined my whole career. I was lock in for 5 years and by time I was released from my contract I was too old to be relevant.
@@AiAkademiks Wish there was one. Recorded the album, toured to promote, came home on cloud nine, shot two videos and then nothing. No promo. Management was going crazy trying to get results and the label went ghost. Mind you this was 1989-93. BMG before they were acquired by Sony. I always chalked it up to the acquisition. It was for the best I always say. I thought it went well, but I guess they had other plans. Touring was fun; there is nothing like being on stage and feeling respected for the work you put in, but I guess God had other plans. I am doing well for myself now, so no harm no foul. Life is good.
Hold up.. the brother on the right was spot on..👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 I look at life like. Pain only makes me stronger.. we black people. Don't forget that we are strong.
I've worked with shaffer in A band backing up Tedra Moses before he blew up. He ran the BG vocals for her. Dawn from Envogue was in that band as well. Band was HOT. This was before he became "NE YO''. Super talented cat. I wish him well.
One thing I always hated, was Jive records not promoting RnB singer Joe, because R Kelly had hits n had an issue because he wanted to be their RnB guy. Joe is underrated AF too. Man In Your Life & Where You At are two great songs, and he was on G-Units debut too.
I would prefer for the interviewers to calm down with their pretense of what they thought they would have done. My Goodness. Glad Neyo felt comfortable sharing this on this platform. Overall good interview.
They prey on young artists man. Its crazy. So glad to see neyo pushed through this and still became the greatest! or one of them! That early 2000s -2010 was the best.
U know how hard it is to make a million dollars? You see the highlights on RUclips and ig all day and think that luxury life is a given. So realizing u were almost there and not knowing if u will ever get an opportunity again going to a minimal wage job interview can break u.
For those who don’t know. What he is explaining from paying for stuff without knowing and from not deciding what music to make to not owning any rights too his music that’s what some may call “SELLING YOUR SOUL” it’s not news. This has been going on for ages.
I don't understand how that isn't illegal (to use someone money without their consent). Only in the music industry can you basically "scam" people out of their own money. Insane.
I feel how annoyed he is as a Producer / Song Writer and Studio Engineer, this why im doing my "entire Album myself" because once someone is messing with your music the Arist vision is destroyed!!!! Might take people longer to Produce it, Record it, and and Engineer it themselves under your own label, in the end $200,000 on your own is better than $400,000 as an "employee"
I totally believe him they dirty as hell tho they actually do this to a lot of artists not just Columbia so that’s why it’s important not to give them full control over you
i dont feel sorry for these artists because what hes saying the people before him have been saying the same thing for a long time. with all his connections within the industry from Jlo to pitbull to producers he never asked one question related to business or no1 schooled him?? and if he was too busy getting pissed and partying whos fault is that? thats his fault for not reading, asking questions, and asking for help
Did you even listen to the story? He didn’t have anything or any connections and thought it was a way out. these artists are usually poverty stricken and desperate to get out of the hood by any means. It’s not like they are working some six figure corporate job with money and resources to hire a lawyer. They have nothing to lose
My thing is, why are all these artists steady giving their woes about shady deals INSTEAD OF teaching modern age music business in the best interests of artists. They like to big up the modern days vibes of indie artistry that steer away from label deals...but don't give their modern day formulas. They mostly see all of us in the same lane as a threat so they don't normally give those jewels away. Days of old industry business doesn't land like these artists think they do
@Metro6am You're obviously not in the same attitude or era of independent artists that I and many others are apart of. This era is about 15 years deep now where indie artists don't need record labels, record deals, or high end distribution. Tell Mac Miller from 15 yrs ago that same comment and he'd prove your comment wrong then or in his last yrs as an artist. Tell Cassie Ventura back 18 yrs ago when she blew up hard enough off of 1 album that she blew up even more as a model, and transitioning into modeling from music STILL isn't trendy for female music artists to venture into. She broke all the rules independently back then. There's so many independent approaches that require little to no cash, a mic, a phone, and some time. Doesn't cost money to craft Ur own marketing approach or just copy and steal somebody else's model that's already working in independent artists. British rock, psychedelic indie rock, Hip Hop, Hip Pop, New Wave, and so many genres are blowing up in spite of Ur assumption that ALMOST ALL indie artists are too broke to be artists. I think maybe your heart for making music is broken. Try having fun 1st, then figure out the business minus your baseless assumptions. I just bet you've not heard of today's indie artists killing it in Web3 because you sound like you're still stuck in the lazy era of Web2. And if you've never heard of web3 or no clue of whut Web2 is....then U really need to do Ur homework before U make replied comments like U just did
@@WhoIsRevolution Are you making significant money from your music? As in living from it? My distribution advanced me 20K for a 5 track EP last year and it was just about enough to get things moving. I bet Cassie and Mac Miller had A LOT of money pumped into them lol.
Well to be a lil fair on the Marcus Houston song u agreed to be let go from the label they got to keep all the stuff u already did so they didn’t need to tell him anything or even owe him anything
This is how an interview is done! The hosts never interrupted and let Neyo tell his story.
I actually think that hearing his unvarnished truth is good.
Exactly...
Prince tried to tell y’all about the shady record labels. They intentionally try to enslave you. 99% of artists experience this. Go independent!
Yall just don't get it do you it don't matter if you go independent or not you will still get that phone call or unexpected visit from the powers that be especially if you have any type of impact over your community or any other community is it best to not just do music at all if you plan on doing music just do it for yourself and your family simple
I hate that y’all say things like this lol y’all try to single out a single person “PRINCE TRIES TO TELL YALL” like if everyone hasn’t been telling y’all about record deals from the beginning of time
Yup & nobody listened. Even to this day
99% of independent artists go nowhere.
@@andyleo8418 Not true. Independent artists may not have the same visibility as label artists, but they are able to build a small audience through social media and sustain a modest living by doing what they love. 99% of label artists music remain shelved while they are stuck with that label and owe a massive debt.
im convinced every record deal is shady..
Hundo
Not russes he finessed that shit
@@ElStanleysMusic-pb9jm yeah but he had to finesse it. I notice every rapper or singer that actually understands their contract has to finesse their way out of it like you said.
That’s because they all are
@@TizzTv nah he didn't finesse his way out, he finessed his way in. The deal with Russ was a partnership deal, not a signed under the label deal. So he retains rights to everything hes already done and will do in the future, they only have access to what he does with them during their contracted period. Most these rappers aren't financially literate so they get a big advance, and blow it on material ish... then when the music doesn't recoup they complain about how they're trapped by the label.
I was on a Label for 7 yrs back in the 80’s and I can 100% confirm that Ne-Yo was a successful singer back in the day.
hush
@@dirtysprite6312😂
Bro what are you saying? Ne-Yo blew up in the mid 2000s, everyone already knows he was huge, he's still one of the greatest singer song writers of the last 20 years.
@@StochasticWolf I’m saying I’m a Pro musician and my experience tells me that Ne-Yo was very famous. Not talking about the time period of his fame. Trust me.
hes a good story teller
Yes and a good singer, but his love life is permanently in shambles.
@@carpediem4512That ain’t got shit yo do with us lol
It’s goes hand to hand with being a good writer lmao
A record deal is just a loan you have to pay back through work and earnings
Why don't they try to spend the artists money responsibly?!
@@BobbyGeneric145 Because the strategy is to keep the artist indebted to them, especially if they’re successful. The more and longer an artist is successful and keeps re-upping on ‘advances’ (new contracts) the longer they’ll be getting paid back plus all of the other money the artist is bringing in. The purpose of a 360
@@BobbyGeneric145because they don’t care lol. well the people in charge do but everyone else could care less. a&rs will go on trips with people’s budgets
It ain’t just a loan. You have 360 deals where they take everything
Don't forget the most important thing.... interest
When I hear Real Stories like this... the Music Industry just pisses me off... when it comes to Record Deals. It shows how Young Artists have been Manipulated in the Past. Hopefully Everyone is a lot more Educated Now.
They're not. Just because you are hip to the methods from 20 years ago doesn't mean they didn't come up with new methods of sucking you dry
Nope. They will continue to make the same mistakes, even though there are 100s of artists who had warned them.
I’ve got some friends that are basically unknown artists. They can produce like crazy. Lots of their shit was stolen and further stolen. It’s a game of crooks .
I have met both Tango and Ne-Yo . Tango is a great manager who cares about who he signs, and it open to opportunities. Ne-Yo is the Man!
TANGO THE LEGEND 💯
Singing out loud was actually his way of keeping his voice in shape until the right opportunity came which is what every artist needs to do in the meantime
I would’ve been pissed at someone else having my song without telling me, but I get and like Filly’s point about knowing you’re capable of a hit song. Taking a negative situation and making something positive out of it can’t be wrong, it puts fire in your belly.
Industry rule #4080: Record company people are shadyyyyy
Tribe 👏🏾😂
I was trying to remember what # rule it was lol
Bro I’m so hurt.. Neyo always been my top favorite artist of my generation(born 89). I also love Marques Houston’s music, and “that girl” is one of my favorites. Considered a classic in mines. And now to hear this from Neyo, I can’t even listen to it with so much beautiful childhood memories and joy no more.. damn.. love you Neyo !
I remember hearing something like this back in the 90s. Toni Braxton. Its a shame that desperation will cause most artists to go through similar things, even with all the info available.
it’s not desperation. Think about being told you would get every help and every support for your music. That’s an opportunity I think every independent artist will jump on
She signed a bad contract, went to court an won.. but she spent all her money too soon
Mariah Carey built Columbia and look how they treated her after Tommy.
Ne-Yo is a top performer. I saw him live - his voice sounded better in person, dancing Top 3, real showmanship.
They fumbled the bag 😂😂on neyo
Definitely did. That Girl was that shit
Talented guy smooth I miss when negro did rnb
Ne-Yo has some good songs! definitely one of the greatest r&b singers i have ever heard! 💪🏽
Bless Tango's wonderful soul. He took a bet on a winning horse!!!!
Things turned around for Neyo, I want to shake Tango's hand for that 🏆 Record deals have always been slave contracts. Debt slaves. The days of 'Ne-Yo's making it to the top despite it all are over. As if that's not enough, they control what you do, what music you do, who you work with, when and how your music comes out.. despite you footing the bill for everything. If you work with their Satanic agendas you will get a break, and profit. It's simple. Lucifer is the master of music. God made it so. He has enslaved us all, knowing that music and singing was created for worship. Be independent! Stay independent.
Dope interview. Great story
Factz
yo this the friggin best damn youtube show ever!!!!!!!! rhank you... @neyo
remember listening to "Schaffer Lonely Sad & Blue" back in 2000 in NYC cable radio the same exact time Bilal's single hit "Soul Sista" was released into heavy rotation. I was like, "Who is this German-American White dude doing on urban radio....man he's good"...and then 7 years later, I found he out that Schaffer changed his name to Ne-Yo.
This clip got ruined by the nonsensical commentary. Neyo has years of experience and industry knowledge, and they’re inserting a lazy opinion like it makes sense
Uninformed opinions at that lol
@@dangerman-vq9xr said it better than me, thank you
They weren’t even paying attention. A bunch of talking heads.
These guys needa learn to podcast, views only cuz of the guest. Quality below mid.
That’s because most of them have went to Charlemagne University
Industry Rule #4080 never went away.
They too young for that ..they dnt knw wat u talkin bout lol
@bronxriverchinobrown2856 I know. They got computers at their fingertips and yet choose to be dumb as f***.
@@bronxriverchinobrown2856even some of us youngings have watched interviews and documentaries
Dope podcast! Organic! Great questions and yes Neyo’s life needs to be made a movie!
Being shelved by a record company is humiliating but them not letting you go after they shelve you is criminal. Ruined my whole career. I was lock in for 5 years and by time I was released from my contract I was too old to be relevant.
What was your biggest song?
@@AiAkademiks Wish there was one. Recorded the album, toured to promote, came home on cloud nine, shot two videos and then nothing. No promo. Management was going crazy trying to get results and the label went ghost. Mind you this was 1989-93. BMG before they were acquired by Sony. I always chalked it up to the acquisition. It was for the best I always say. I thought it went well, but I guess they had other plans. Touring was fun; there is nothing like being on stage and feeling respected for the work you put in, but I guess God had other plans. I am doing well for myself now, so no harm no foul. Life is good.
Hold up.. the brother on the right was spot on..👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 I look at life like. Pain only makes me stronger.. we black people. Don't forget that we are strong.
Shoutout to tango! everyone needs a tango
I've worked with shaffer in A band backing up Tedra Moses before he blew up. He ran the BG vocals for her. Dawn from Envogue was in that band as well. Band was HOT. This was before he became "NE YO''. Super talented cat. I wish him well.
Tango a real one
I just wanna rock with you, rock with cha baby, you looking for real love, this is real love🎵🎶
#SignMeUp 💪🏾💪🏾
One thing I always hated, was Jive records not promoting RnB singer Joe, because R Kelly had hits n had an issue because he wanted to be their RnB guy. Joe is underrated AF too. Man In Your Life & Where You At are two great songs, and he was on G-Units debut too.
Great interview. Captivated me!!
Success is a process people no matter what you do . Don’t give up !!
I would prefer for the interviewers to calm down with their pretense of what they thought they would have done. My Goodness. Glad Neyo felt comfortable sharing this on this platform. Overall good interview.
Excellent interview!
Soooooo SHADY!! OMG The British guts reaction is the icing one cake!! LMAO
One time for Tango
Yo! Great interview segment ! Great 10 minutes 👍
that's an awesome story!! 🎉👏👏👏👏
That’s why wherever you go you tell people your ideal career first before your actual job because you never know who’s listening or watching
They prey on young artists man. Its crazy. So glad to see neyo pushed through this and still became the greatest! or one of them! That early 2000s -2010 was the best.
Shout out to tangle for having the ear for music during a busy LA day.
Big love for Neyo one of my favourites
Neyo - I like your positive outlook
I don’t 😭
5:01 - 5:07 lol that was from the heart telling the truth LMAO
50 cent was dropped from Columbia after he got shot
Why?
@@ginaclame20 because it was from a street beef, and they thought they wouldv've been in danger if they kept him on roster
That’s crazy
Big l got dropped to and then nas
Crazy stories plus the dude seems chill and down to earth! Shot out Neyo and Tango 💯🔥
Aww man i had no idea that Neyo went through all of that. Man he suffered alot.
nahhh bro, tango is loyal af - deserves all the riches
Damn! Bigup tango man
Love this. Good hosts too! Subbed!!
I'm waiting for some artists to come out saying how their record deal is amazing. I think I'll be waiting a while.
Crazy but amazing story, like my nan used to tell me what's for you won't go by you.
Here's to Neyo for sticking with Tango... That's loyalty.💯
one of the craziest stories ab a music artist ever
Big shout out to Tango 🎉
Mf was saying 'Job Interview' like he was about to start collecting unemployment cheques 😂😅
I mean he was on the shelf for 2 years. So, he had to work regular jobs to survive.
He was the label wasn’t paying him what money you think he had?🤨
U know how hard it is to make a million dollars? You see the highlights on RUclips and ig all day and think that luxury life is a given. So realizing u were almost there and not knowing if u will ever get an opportunity again going to a minimal wage job interview can break u.
@@bronxriverchinobrown2856 You're right. That's a really good point
S/O to Tango for discovering, believing, and investing in my absolute favorite artist🥰😍🥰😍
The camera quality is crazy.
That was my song when it came out too. Wow, didn't know Ne-Yo wrote it. Crazy
What a story, makes me scared to ever sign a deal 😭
Just listened to(that girl)....that song is definitely a neyo song.
Now I'm curious what became of the rest of the records from Columbia
That girl Neyo version is on RUclips and some of those leaks
Great story. Glad he made it
Great interview and great Talent
We all need a tango!
Drop a song called.diddy jr its gone go hard bro
Ask em how do I get under compound in to get into contact with tango
This title will not help getting other celebs on this podcast.
Big man dat don’t matter u gotta keep it 100 nowadays
@@lukeejordan5954 I don't think u get what i meant but its cool.
True
Thanks for showing us an alternative frank ocean
This still goes on…
Shout out Tango, fr fr
nah nah nah this needs to be a movie
Wow....shout out to Tango!
BIG UP MAN LIKE TANGO!
For those who don’t know. What he is explaining from paying for stuff without knowing and from not deciding what music to make to not owning any rights too his music that’s what some may call “SELLING YOUR SOUL” it’s not news. This has been going on for ages.
Q-Tip warned us.
Columbia Want that Pen Game ✍🏿 📚 they got Real Hit Singles over there
Who else got confused with shady records in the title
No because we can read sufficiently
@@eddy562🤣🤣 init
None of the ones that can actually read 🤷🏾♂️
@@eddy562 allow it bro jus saw shady and got excited man 😂
The click bait worked on you lol
You have to reveal the truth about the break❤😢
Listen Normani fans
What an amazing story ❤
New a movie 🍿 bro
How do you disrespect a talent like Neyo ? This is a lesson for all....Pay attention folks
I don't understand how that isn't illegal (to use someone money without their consent). Only in the music industry can you basically "scam" people out of their own money. Insane.
Same thing with music video clothing budgets
Is Tango/Tengo Tishawn Gayle?
they also put those dinners as a business expense, which is a tax write off
Love from the 305❤
Yo, Tango is a real one
Big up Tango
I feel how annoyed he is as a Producer / Song Writer and Studio Engineer, this why im doing my "entire Album myself" because once someone is messing with your music the Arist vision is destroyed!!!!
Might take people longer
to
Produce it, Record it, and and Engineer it themselves under your own label, in the end
$200,000 on your own is better than $400,000 as an "employee"
I totally believe him they dirty as hell tho they actually do this to a lot of artists not just Columbia so that’s why it’s important not to give them full control over you
W interview
Hard to understand the business sense behind the decisions these labels have made
i dont feel sorry for these artists because what hes saying
the people before him have been saying the same thing for a long time.
with all his connections within the industry from Jlo to pitbull to producers he never asked one question related to business or no1 schooled him?? and if he was too busy getting pissed and partying whos fault is that?
thats his fault for not reading, asking questions, and asking for help
Did you even listen to the story? He didn’t have anything or any connections and thought it was a way out. these artists are usually poverty stricken and desperate to get out of the hood by any means. It’s not like they are working some six figure corporate job with money and resources to hire a lawyer. They have nothing to lose
My thing is, why are all these artists steady giving their woes about shady deals INSTEAD OF teaching modern age music business in the best interests of artists. They like to big up the modern days vibes of indie artistry that steer away from label deals...but don't give their modern day formulas. They mostly see all of us in the same lane as a threat so they don't normally give those jewels away. Days of old industry business doesn't land like these artists think they do
Because almost no independent artist can really afford to put up the funds to get a project off the ground
@Metro6am You're obviously not in the same attitude or era of independent artists that I and many others are apart of. This era is about 15 years deep now where indie artists don't need record labels, record deals, or high end distribution. Tell Mac Miller from 15 yrs ago that same comment and he'd prove your comment wrong then or in his last yrs as an artist. Tell Cassie Ventura back 18 yrs ago when she blew up hard enough off of 1 album that she blew up even more as a model, and transitioning into modeling from music STILL isn't trendy for female music artists to venture into. She broke all the rules independently back then. There's so many independent approaches that require little to no cash, a mic, a phone, and some time. Doesn't cost money to craft Ur own marketing approach or just copy and steal somebody else's model that's already working in independent artists. British rock, psychedelic indie rock, Hip Hop, Hip Pop, New Wave, and so many genres are blowing up in spite of Ur assumption that ALMOST ALL indie artists are too broke to be artists. I think maybe your heart for making music is broken. Try having fun 1st, then figure out the business minus your baseless assumptions. I just bet you've not heard of today's indie artists killing it in Web3 because you sound like you're still stuck in the lazy era of Web2. And if you've never heard of web3 or no clue of whut Web2 is....then U really need to do Ur homework before U make replied comments like U just did
@@WhoIsRevolution Are you making significant money from your music? As in living from it? My distribution advanced me 20K for a 5 track EP last year and it was just about enough to get things moving. I bet Cassie and Mac Miller had A LOT of money pumped into them lol.
Well to be a lil fair on the Marcus Houston song u agreed to be let go from the label they got to keep all the stuff u already did so they didn’t need to tell him anything or even owe him anything