Looks nice, LOVE the slider, nice features, and the tactile touch doesn't bother me. But the price, I just can't see paying double, sometimes triple the price. Just bought some Zooz dimmers for $23. Granted, these are better, but 3 times the price better, nope.
This looks like a nice update! And I'm with you on the "where was this a year or two ago" comment since I have like 20 of the original switches installed. I still have a few rooms I have not made "smart" yet, so I may try a couple of these switches and swap them with some of my more frequently used switches. At $70 each, I won't be buying them in bulk, that's for sure! As for the three way compatibility and not needing a Pico, I actually liked the Pico solution because it was much cheaper than buying two switches.
Also you can also use the Pico as a three way switch with these new ones too. Sorry if I wasn’t clear about that in the video. But I might be doing the same thing as you.
Not needing a Pico (still have that option but Pico remotes use Maestro aesthetics, not Diva) drastically reduces the device count. Also, the companion dimmer/switch is roughly the same $20 that a Pico remote is so cost wise, it’s a wash, worst case.
At this point I’m more inclined to go with Inovelli Blue Series Zigbee switches. Seems to have all of these features for the most part with the added benefit of zigbee and having a smart bulb mode.
@@SmartHomeSolver please do a review and compare. The Inovelli has a smart bulb mode to work with smart bulbs. Can also bind to zigbee smart bulbs elimination that Huu
I LOVE the leaving the room feature. If this was $50, I'd consider it. $70 is too much. My traditional dimmer switch with a Shelly 1 behind it is just fine.
@@damonwynne2098 The Hookup has done a couple of good videos on this. It doesn’t control the dimming functions though. Just the power. www.thesmarthomehookup.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Shelly1.jpg www.thesmarthomehookup.com/beginners-guide-to-shelly-relays-choose-the-right-relay-for-the-job/
@@curtisbme I doubt anything is changing in the near future. Caseta has always sold on reliability and connectivity. The VAST majority of competitive devices are WiFi and that just isn’t a good solution for dozens of low-bandwidth devices. We are just beginning to see Thread switches and dimmers trickle out and they do not offer much in capability or companion devices compared to Lutron.
LOL, $70 is waaaay less than anything from Lutron's RadioRa 3 line, or their QSX line. It is also less than anything from Vantage or Control4 or Crestron by at least half. Sure there are some off-brand products that are cheaper, but they don't work as well. These things are a bargain at $70.
@@JasonBrown527 I have to disagree, there are a lot of very good smart switches out there if all you are grading it by is functionality of controlling lights. When comparing good switches to good switches what benefit is Lutron offering? Brand name and cosmetics? That's not worth $70 to me.
@@LifeWithMatthew Those cheap $20-30 dimmers typically use wi-fi to communicate. Not a big deal when you only have a few. But Caseta, which is Lutron's smallest system, supports up to 75 devices. Wi-Fi based switches would significantly slow down most networks if you had even 20 or 30 devices. ClearConnect operates at 434 MHz which does not interfere with Wi-Fi or Bluetooth or Zigbee, which are all sharing the same RF space. And Lutron has been making dimmers longer than anyone. They actually patented it in 1959. They have tried and tested more light bulbs for compatibility than any other manufacturer. Chances are that if you buy a dimmable bulb that lists any known compatibility the list of verified dimmers will be 70% Lutron devices. So if you want to buy something and know that it will actually work, but a Lutron. If you want to save a few bucks and roll the dice, have at it. Either way, $70 for this dimmer is NOT "ludicrous".
@@JasonBrown527 happen to know what an RA3 Sunnata dimmer goes for? I’m starting to think Lutron is intentionally withholding the Sunnata devices from the DIY market but then again, it’s available as a “dumb” switch/dimmer for $40. Considering the $10 price difference between Sunatta and Diva dumb devices, and the $10 hike for Diva aesthetics in a Caseta device, I don’t understand why we couldn’t have Sunatta devices on the Caseta platform.
@@JasonBrown527 Hey, I'm glad you found a brand that you love and trust, but you're not going to convince me that my own smart home set up, with quite a few devices, that is stable and very responsive is in fact broken and has huge delays. The only benefit to the Lutron I see over an equivalent device, of which there are quite a few, is the brand name and slightly superior cosmetic design. And since I can easily have equivalent devices for 1/3 the cost ludicrous is the only adjective I feel adequately describes that price point. But you do you, man.
I had converted almost every switch in the house except the bathrooms due to the prior dimmer buttons. I'll likely be getting some now with the physical slider. Thanks for the great review!
What I was waiting for was an updated dimmer switch that was the same as their pico format. I never understood why the pico was more advanced and easier to use than the main switch. This new format does make sense for people who want limited Caseta control but a consistent look throughout their home.
I installed all Lutron Maestro Switches back in 2016 and they worked perfectly with 0 issues. My house does also have a lighting panel which controlls certain main areas with keypads, but I think I will be replacing all the Maestro dimmers with the new Sunnata dimmers as they do look much nicer.
Maestro pairs with a wired companion switch, a standard snap switch or a pico switch. but of course, if it is more important to you to play with the switches from your smartphone, Maestro doesn't do as much with the smartbridge system.
The improvements are great. In my next house I had planned to use Inovelli, but this is now a consideration. But $70? I don't see myself dropping $70 per switch. That's a tough pill to swallow. I'll get my rear end off the couch to flip lights on and off. It'll keep me young and I'll pocket the hundreds or a thousand dollars. That or roll with Kasa.
My only complaint with the old ones has been the price and these are about $20 more. My current ones are fine. I only have 4 but plan to expand them to the rest of the house soon. I think I'll stick with the cheaper ones.
About time! I have been quite critical of their old Caseta dimmer switches here and elsewhere as being too cheap and not at all well designed. Also wondered what was holding them back from integrating the smart technology into the Diva design that has been around forever to begin with - maybe they wanted to have a "disruptive design" but I feel if it ain't broken, don't fix it.. If they had introduced the Smart switch in the Diva form factor sooner, I would have invested in those and NOT have as many Kasa light switches in the house. And even now, I would hesitate switching over since the value of the Kasa switches is much better than the Lutron. Will be interesting to see how well these new switches are adopted with so much competition already in the smart switches space. BTW, are these (or going to be) Matter compatible?
Sounds like a great switch. You had me until the price. Yowza. I finished upgrading everything to the Leviton smart switches, and the whole time I was thinking a slider would be great. Now Lurton comes out with one.
I'm a bit biased but I would say it's not the best smart switch you can buy and $70 seems a bit pricy. I think I'd prefer something that was $50, could be used as either a dimmer or on/off, has an RGBW light strip with notifications, and also gives you scene control with tap commands. 😉😉
.... Inovelli also has the ability to integrate seamlessly with smart BULBS. For those who don't know, Inovelli offers a setting on their smart switches where the power never gets cut, and the switch sends software commands to control the bulbs or (literally anything else in the smart home, for that matter). It's the best of both worlds: smart switch, smart bulb. No limitations. I have Inovelli's control Phillips Hue in my house and it's... chefs kiss. Lutron is great even you just want basic control of brightness, but I'm a huge fan of Inovelli if you want anything more than that (e.g. color and scene control). You guys don't get enough love in the smart home space, IMO
Inovelli blue seems ideal but it’s too late for me I went all in on Leviton 2nd gen because of support for both Alexa and HomeKit and I don’t think that Inovelli supports HomeKit
@@GoFastGator Blue Series can be upgraded from Zigbee to Matter. We're also exploring a Thread switch for HomeKit but are still in the very early stages of development.
If you have the LED’s with Zero to 10 Vdc Dimming, there is a “Blink’n’Dim” Switch that wires in at the Light Fixture. No 10 Vdc wire in the walls. You will have three light levels, by turning the wall switch on and off. Bit pricey at around $70, though.
I might have to try these, though I'm not a big fan of the price. I currently have no smart switches and have been doing everything w/ smart bulbs. Guess time will tell.
Looks like there’s no matching accessory dimmer for 3-way configurations, so you’d have to use a Pico. Uniform switches with status lightbars is my favorite part of my RadioRa3 Sunnata switches.
Yeah, seems like they are going to keep Sunnata locked to RadioRa3 to appease their customer installers. Bad for everyone but the few of you willing to deal with creating and maintaining RadioRa3.
$70 is just too expensive for a single dimmer switch. I have quite a few Kasa dimmer switches that work flawlessly. Yes, they're wifi but I spent a lot of time making sure I have a solid mesh wifi network. Is there a longer delay in automations? Yes, but when I can get them for under $15 each, I'll accept the extra 50-100ms. In Homekit via HomeAssistant.
Extra 50-100ms of latency.... compared to what? Are you saying WiFi is 50-100ms higher latency than other wireless protocols like zigbee, zwave, etc... If so, you're wrong.
@@BallsworthBallsbury not saying that at all. I’m saying with a scene that contains Lutron and Kasa switches, the Lutron switches turn on faster but not by much(under a quarter of a second). I was taking about perceived delay, not communication protocol latency.
Lutron Caseta switches still can't control other lutron devices like the Smart Plug and Outdoor Plug, so you're still have mount an extra Pico remote. So I can't walk into a room, hit a single hardwired switch and turn on overhead lights with a Caseta dimmer and also turn on bedside lamps with a Smart Switch. Still have to use that extra wall mounted Pico. Same thing in any room where you want multiple light sources turned on without having to wall mount an extra Pico.
I'm not a fan of the slider. It's quick, but with kids and guests, I don't want them messing with that. I'm still very happy with my Inovelli switches, clean look without the slider. Press and hold up or down to select your brightness, and its set.
How is it that TP Link can get the cost of their devices so low and Lutron cannot? $70 is way too much money for a GD dimmer switch and the new model needs a neutral wire. This market is ripe for lower cost competition that doesn't require a neutral.
Lutron is a premium product. Compared to my friends using those other brands who are always running into issues, I've never had a single problem. Add to that Lutron's 24/7 US-based tech support call center, and it's worth the extra money.
What is the minimum load spec? The typical problem with dimmers that don't have a neutral wire is that they require a higher minimum load for reliable operation. P.S. The National Electric Code (NEC) added a requirement in 2011 that all switch boxes have a neutral wire, even if they don't use it, because so many dimmers for energy efficient lighting need it. [To be pedantic -- you don't have to have a neutral wire if you have direct access to above or below the switch box.]
Not sure I understand this correctly. So if I have a 3 way switch, I can replace just one of the two switches with this without messing around with the other switch. This is as expensive as the old caseta dimmer/pico set. I do like the convenient of a pico but don't want to mess with the wiring again.
My perfect smart switch would a something that looks exactly like a normal light switch, but it has a motor so when you turn it on or off remotely, it physically moves the switch. Same for the perfect dimmer switch. I have found that when elderly people use our smart switches they get so confused because it doesn’t flip positions like a regular switch.
Love the videos! Relatively new here. A home assistant beginners guide, adding ZigBee devices, etc would be super helpful. Point me to one of your videos if already created please. Saw the NFC video now I'm hooked on figuring it out
So, you live in Arizona, right? Have you had any power issues, power outages/brownouts, etc? Im planning on moving to the Chandler area in a couple of years, so curious how these switches would be affected. Also, these Lutrons, do they require a web service like Hue bulbs?
Big question in my mind is how is it's dimming performance with low power LEDs? Old switches can cause noticeable flicker of light at anything but 100% on as well as not continuing to slightly illuminate the LED when the switch is actually off.
I had a feeling something was coming out the pipeline. I went to start slowly buying for a new house but I noticed a bit of a price drop so I thought I wait to see if something new was coming out.
DO you know of a good wifi 4 Way switch? I went the cheaper route a few years back with Kasa and for my needs it is great but it is annoying having most lights in my house on wifi switches except the hall lights because they are 4 way. Thank you in advance for taking the time to answer my question.
The price is high, but hopefully it will go down. I would love to have some of these for my office and control the lighting while working. Do you know if these are an easy swap if you already have 3 way Lutron switches?
Can you test something for me? If the physical dimmer is at 50% and then you change it to 25% on the app and then turn it off. Does it turn on the light again at 50% or 25% if you ask it to turn on the light using a voice assistant?
I sure wish I would’ve seen your video when it first came out. Over the last couple weeks I’ve replaced most of the switches in my home with the old style Casita dimmer. These are a little bit more money, but definitely would’ve been what I chose. Also, do you know if Lutron still makes an on/off switch that doesn’t need neutral? I have a neon sign that doesn’t work with their no neutral dimmer. Thanks.
Hello. I was wondering if you could possibly help me with a question. My dad is blind and uses IOS accessibility to navigat his phone. I was wondering if you knew or could test how well it works with Home assistant. I want to help him set up a smart home. But I want to know how well different hub environments will work for him before I suggest one for him to use.
I have a question for a what would be a good smart wall switch. Project for my kitchen, track lighting with RGB smart bulbs (I can't find any track heads with RGB function) so I found the bulbs. Looking at a few 3 & 4 light track light units. Anyway, I want to be able to turn on/off (maybe dim as well) from the wall switch, but still be able to turn on/off and color change from a smart phone app, Google Home/Alexa. A standard wall switch will kill power to the track lights and I won't be able to turn the lights on without turning on the wall switch... Advice? Nothing has been purchased yet. For the track lights, I found there on Amazon: Avatar Controls 4 Pack Smart Bulb GU10, Alexa LED Light Bulbs Music Sync RGBCW Color Changing Dimmable WiFi Spot Lights Works with Google Home, Quick Connection
Does the new version fix the automation issue? Example setting the light to turn on to a certain brightness during specified times without that annoying delay? Or does it still ramp to 100% then goes to the automation light level?
Don’t really care about the tactile aspect in this sort of situation. The light turning on or off is the only feedback I need. I’ve only swapped one switch so far, and that’s a simple on/off one that’s not even a rocker style. But to each their own :)
So do you set up the dimming level for scenes using the slider, or is that just for the local on level? In other words, if someone moves the slider will it mess up scenes?
2 points: The first is that the physical 3way is important as some local codes DONT ALLOW (pico) non wired remotes (won't pass inspection/ 3 pole most be hard wired) The second is that they need to come out with ELV and MLV ASAP. hate having to spec different styles of dimmers in complex lighting situations
Are you aware if they can be used in 4 way applications? Also since there is no neutral wire do they turn on whenever the power goes out and back on like my smart bulbs?
Yeah, I don't mind paying for quality at all, and I am a Lutron fan, but at $70, it's just too much. Will be watching for a significant price decrease and then will pickup quite a few.
I just bought 7 of these and I am starting to get them set up. I also use Home Assistant and right now I am not able to find them within Home Assistant. I do see the pico remote I added from the starter kit but not these dimmers. Has anyone been able to add these to Home Assistant?
Great video! I've had problems with the OG Caseta dimmers causing most LED bulbs to flicker or not turn on unless at over 50% brightness. This includes bulbs Lutron says are compatible with the dimmer and work with non-smart Lutron dimmers. I see the Diva dimmer has "LED+". Will that improve LED bulb compatibility?
Just installed the diva today with a halo 4 inch LED recessed lighting fixture. Both are brand new and the LED bulbs still flicker unless I don’t dim them too much. Just fyi.
Hi. Do you know if these new switches fixed power leakage. My son has some of the older model and some of his outdoor led lights has a glow with the old switch
Such a new dimmer, and if it doesn’t offer matter, then it’s a deal killer for me. I’ll wait till one comes out. I have an order right now for 58 switches in dimmers, but I’ll cancel the order if I can’t confirm if it has matter or thread.
Smart switches, great, but do they work seamlessly with smart bulbs (e.g. Hue) ? I've tried more that a few wifi/z-wave, with smartthings, HomeAssistant and Hubitat I've yet to see a "smart" dimmer that can dim a "smart" light, as easily and reliably as a dumb dimmer can dim a dumb light
I can't find tech specs on the Lutron website yet - is the smart dimmer still a triac dimmer like the others in the diva line? I have a fixture with integrated LEDs that flickers when off with the old Caseta dimmer, which the manufacturer said would work properly with "a triac dimmer, which Lutron has available in their Diva product line".
Lutron sells a small capacitor that you can install to get around this problem. I can't say it will work for every situation, but it fixed that problem on a few of ours. PN: LUT-MLC
@@t0kinl3lunts thanks, I asked Lutron support about that previously and they said "We no longer advise on using the LUT-MLC on dimmers due to it possibly shorting out the internal components in the dimmer." Not sure if maybe I should just try it anyway...
@@GuyWithAScythe I’m not suggesting you ignore their recommendations, but I’m well over 6 months with it in and no issues so far. It was installed on a Caseta on/off switch (not dimmer) for a 1/2 watt LED nite-lite, built into a bathroom vent fan. The light wouldn’t fully shut off without it. Btw, the pro dimmer (with neutral) helped reduce flickering at low brightness settings with some other fixtures, but didn’t eliminate it completely (can just barely see it at the lowest levels). I never tried it on the nite-lite, or for a fixture that wouldn’t shut off, but you might ask them about it. Downside is that it’s very expensive at ~$110!
This is a very good additional option - it retains what's good about Lutron - including that its completely intuitive how to use it for anyone who has never seen one before. I have many existing Lutron Caseta switches & dimmers and I hardly ever touch them - they are either on room scenes controlled from scene picos, or automated in some other way (timed/sensors). Not sure it makes much real difference beyond initial look & feel to me. It would make more difference if you interact with the dimmers a lot (remembering the level, quick to full on and room exit are nice).
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Looks nice, LOVE the slider, nice features, and the tactile touch doesn't bother me. But the price, I just can't see paying double, sometimes triple the price. Just bought some Zooz dimmers for $23. Granted, these are better, but 3 times the price better, nope.
This looks like a nice update! And I'm with you on the "where was this a year or two ago" comment since I have like 20 of the original switches installed. I still have a few rooms I have not made "smart" yet, so I may try a couple of these switches and swap them with some of my more frequently used switches. At $70 each, I won't be buying them in bulk, that's for sure! As for the three way compatibility and not needing a Pico, I actually liked the Pico solution because it was much cheaper than buying two switches.
Also you can also use the Pico as a three way switch with these new ones too. Sorry if I wasn’t clear about that in the video.
But I might be doing the same thing as you.
Not needing a Pico (still have that option but Pico remotes use Maestro aesthetics, not Diva) drastically reduces the device count. Also, the companion dimmer/switch is roughly the same $20 that a Pico remote is so cost wise, it’s a wash, worst case.
At this point I’m more inclined to go with Inovelli Blue Series Zigbee switches. Seems to have all of these features for the most part with the added benefit of zigbee and having a smart bulb mode.
I'm planning to try that out soon when it's available!
@@SmartHomeSolver please do a review and compare. The Inovelli has a smart bulb mode to work with smart bulbs. Can also bind to zigbee smart bulbs elimination that Huu
@@SmartHomeSolver looking forward to your thoughts on it!
Preordered an Inovelli white dimming switch. It’s Matter over Thread.
I LOVE the leaving the room feature. If this was $50, I'd consider it. $70 is too much. My traditional dimmer switch with a Shelly 1 behind it is just fine.
I love that feature too! But yeah the price is definitely steep.
No way it stays at this level as that is crazy price vs the many, many competing options. Imagine it will be $50 or less very soon.
Chris - is there a wiring diagram you could share? Had an electrician try to wire traditional dimmer with sonoff mini2 and couldn't get it to work.
@@damonwynne2098 The Hookup has done a couple of good videos on this. It doesn’t control the dimming functions though. Just the power.
www.thesmarthomehookup.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Shelly1.jpg
www.thesmarthomehookup.com/beginners-guide-to-shelly-relays-choose-the-right-relay-for-the-job/
@@curtisbme I doubt anything is changing in the near future. Caseta has always sold on reliability and connectivity. The VAST majority of competitive devices are WiFi and that just isn’t a good solution for dozens of low-bandwidth devices. We are just beginning to see Thread switches and dimmers trickle out and they do not offer much in capability or companion devices compared to Lutron.
I love the design and hope more smart switch designers go this route, but $70 is ludicrous.
LOL, $70 is waaaay less than anything from Lutron's RadioRa 3 line, or their QSX line. It is also less than anything from Vantage or Control4 or Crestron by at least half. Sure there are some off-brand products that are cheaper, but they don't work as well. These things are a bargain at $70.
@@JasonBrown527 I have to disagree, there are a lot of very good smart switches out there if all you are grading it by is functionality of controlling lights. When comparing good switches to good switches what benefit is Lutron offering? Brand name and cosmetics? That's not worth $70 to me.
@@LifeWithMatthew Those cheap $20-30 dimmers typically use wi-fi to communicate. Not a big deal when you only have a few. But Caseta, which is Lutron's smallest system, supports up to 75 devices. Wi-Fi based switches would significantly slow down most networks if you had even 20 or 30 devices. ClearConnect operates at 434 MHz which does not interfere with Wi-Fi or Bluetooth or Zigbee, which are all sharing the same RF space. And Lutron has been making dimmers longer than anyone. They actually patented it in 1959. They have tried and tested more light bulbs for compatibility than any other manufacturer. Chances are that if you buy a dimmable bulb that lists any known compatibility the list of verified dimmers will be 70% Lutron devices. So if you want to buy something and know that it will actually work, but a Lutron. If you want to save a few bucks and roll the dice, have at it. Either way, $70 for this dimmer is NOT "ludicrous".
@@JasonBrown527 happen to know what an RA3 Sunnata dimmer goes for? I’m starting to think Lutron is intentionally withholding the Sunnata devices from the DIY market but then again, it’s available as a “dumb” switch/dimmer for $40. Considering the $10 price difference between Sunatta and Diva dumb devices, and the $10 hike for Diva aesthetics in a Caseta device, I don’t understand why we couldn’t have Sunatta devices on the Caseta platform.
@@JasonBrown527 Hey, I'm glad you found a brand that you love and trust, but you're not going to convince me that my own smart home set up, with quite a few devices, that is stable and very responsive is in fact broken and has huge delays. The only benefit to the Lutron I see over an equivalent device, of which there are quite a few, is the brand name and slightly superior cosmetic design. And since I can easily have equivalent devices for 1/3 the cost ludicrous is the only adjective I feel adequately describes that price point. But you do you, man.
I had converted almost every switch in the house except the bathrooms due to the prior dimmer buttons. I'll likely be getting some now with the physical slider. Thanks for the great review!
What I was waiting for was an updated dimmer switch that was the same as their pico format. I never understood why the pico was more advanced and easier to use than the main switch.
This new format does make sense for people who want limited Caseta control but a consistent look throughout their home.
The Caseta ELV+ dimmer (PD-5NE) has the same button layout as the Pico and can handle a 250W LED load
@@the4ner and have you seen the price is double! ? Should be included.
I installed all Lutron Maestro Switches back in 2016 and they worked perfectly with 0 issues. My house does also have a lighting panel which controlls certain main areas with keypads, but I think I will be replacing all the Maestro dimmers with the new Sunnata dimmers as they do look much nicer.
Maestro pairs with a wired companion switch, a standard snap switch or a pico switch. but of course, if it is more important to you to play with the switches from your smartphone, Maestro doesn't do as much with the smartbridge system.
The improvements are great. In my next house I had planned to use Inovelli, but this is now a consideration. But $70? I don't see myself dropping $70 per switch. That's a tough pill to swallow. I'll get my rear end off the couch to flip lights on and off. It'll keep me young and I'll pocket the hundreds or a thousand dollars. That or roll with Kasa.
Cheaper to go the eBay route. Love the new design. I had no idea about the delayed off feature until you showed us. That’s so cool
I had the Maestro for years I just wish they would go ahead and make the Maestro light switches wireless.
That's what I want too.
Game changer! I have been dying for a smart switch with a physical dimmer... Now if it was only ZigBee or Z-Wave.
Inovelli Blue 2-1
My only complaint with the old ones has been the price and these are about $20 more. My current ones are fine. I only have 4 but plan to expand them to the rest of the house soon. I think I'll stick with the cheaper ones.
All right who all is going to be a Diva here? 🙋🏻♂
You can get these at Home Depot starting today if you’re interested: homedepot.sjv.io/a1gx1Y
About time! I have been quite critical of their old Caseta dimmer switches here and elsewhere as being too cheap and not at all well designed. Also wondered what was holding them back from integrating the smart technology into the Diva design that has been around forever to begin with - maybe they wanted to have a "disruptive design" but I feel if it ain't broken, don't fix it.. If they had introduced the Smart switch in the Diva form factor sooner, I would have invested in those and NOT have as many Kasa light switches in the house. And even now, I would hesitate switching over since the value of the Kasa switches is much better than the Lutron. Will be interesting to see how well these new switches are adopted with so much competition already in the smart switches space. BTW, are these (or going to be) Matter compatible?
It’s not online ????
What's the model number for the dimer and on/off switch or link to Home Depot?
I just bought a GE Cync that's a no-neutral wire as well. About 60% of the price.
@@marcesw35 any link?
Sounds like a great switch. You had me until the price. Yowza. I finished upgrading everything to the Leviton smart switches, and the whole time I was thinking a slider would be great. Now Lurton comes out with one.
Watching this video after buying a bunch of now "old" Lutron switches is very frustrating lol. These look amazing
I feel your pain!
I like my Feit Electric 3 way smart dimmers (neutral required). 2 pack at my Costco was $30. Added to Google Home with ease.
Awesome improvements. Sucks they are ignoring coming out with a fan & light combo smart switch.
I'm a bit biased but I would say it's not the best smart switch you can buy and $70 seems a bit pricy. I think I'd prefer something that was $50, could be used as either a dimmer or on/off, has an RGBW light strip with notifications, and also gives you scene control with tap commands. 😉😉
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.... Inovelli also has the ability to integrate seamlessly with smart BULBS. For those who don't know, Inovelli offers a setting on their smart switches where the power never gets cut, and the switch sends software commands to control the bulbs or (literally anything else in the smart home, for that matter).
It's the best of both worlds: smart switch, smart bulb. No limitations. I have Inovelli's control Phillips Hue in my house and it's... chefs kiss.
Lutron is great even you just want basic control of brightness, but I'm a huge fan of Inovelli if you want anything more than that (e.g. color and scene control). You guys don't get enough love in the smart home space, IMO
Inovelli blue seems ideal but it’s too late for me I went all in on Leviton 2nd gen because of support for both Alexa and HomeKit and I don’t think that Inovelli supports HomeKit
HomeKit or Matter support in the near future?
@@GoFastGator Blue Series can be upgraded from Zigbee to Matter. We're also exploring a Thread switch for HomeKit but are still in the very early stages of development.
If you have the LED’s with Zero to 10 Vdc Dimming, there is a “Blink’n’Dim” Switch that wires in at the Light Fixture. No 10 Vdc wire in the walls. You will have three light levels, by turning the wall switch on and off. Bit pricey at around $70, though.
I might have to try these, though I'm not a big fan of the price. I currently have no smart switches and have been doing everything w/ smart bulbs. Guess time will tell.
Looks great but you should look into the new Inovelli Blue series. They are a bit cheaper and have a whole lot more features.
Yes I'll be looking into those as well! I really like Inovelli too!
Looks like there’s no matching accessory dimmer for 3-way configurations, so you’d have to use a Pico. Uniform switches with status lightbars is my favorite part of my RadioRa3 Sunnata switches.
Yeah, seems like they are going to keep Sunnata locked to RadioRa3 to appease their customer installers. Bad for everyone but the few of you willing to deal with creating and maintaining RadioRa3.
$70 is just too expensive for a single dimmer switch. I have quite a few Kasa dimmer switches that work flawlessly. Yes, they're wifi but I spent a lot of time making sure I have a solid mesh wifi network. Is there a longer delay in automations? Yes, but when I can get them for under $15 each, I'll accept the extra 50-100ms. In Homekit via HomeAssistant.
Extra 50-100ms of latency.... compared to what? Are you saying WiFi is 50-100ms higher latency than other wireless protocols like zigbee, zwave, etc...
If so, you're wrong.
@@BallsworthBallsbury not saying that at all. I’m saying with a scene that contains Lutron and Kasa switches, the Lutron switches turn on faster but not by much(under a quarter of a second). I was taking about perceived delay, not communication protocol latency.
Lutron Caseta switches still can't control other lutron devices like the Smart Plug and Outdoor Plug, so you're still have mount an extra Pico remote.
So I can't walk into a room, hit a single hardwired switch and turn on overhead lights with a Caseta dimmer and also turn on bedside lamps with a Smart Switch. Still have to use that extra wall mounted Pico.
Same thing in any room where you want multiple light sources turned on without having to wall mount an extra Pico.
I'm using the Meross switches. I've been really impressed with their products 👍
I'm not a fan of the slider. It's quick, but with kids and guests, I don't want them messing with that. I'm still very happy with my Inovelli switches, clean look without the slider. Press and hold up or down to select your brightness, and its set.
I wish they had something like with a fan speed combo. Having trouble finding one.
How is it that TP Link can get the cost of their devices so low and Lutron cannot? $70 is way too much money for a GD dimmer switch and the new model needs a neutral wire. This market is ripe for lower cost competition that doesn't require a neutral.
Lutron is a premium product. Compared to my friends using those other brands who are always running into issues, I've never had a single problem. Add to that Lutron's 24/7 US-based tech support call center, and it's worth the extra money.
What is the minimum load spec? The typical problem with dimmers that don't have a neutral wire is that they require a higher minimum load for reliable operation. P.S. The National Electric Code (NEC) added a requirement in 2011 that all switch boxes have a neutral wire, even if they don't use it, because so many dimmers for energy efficient lighting need it. [To be pedantic -- you don't have to have a neutral wire if you have direct access to above or below the switch box.]
Imo, they should have made the sunnata the smart switch instead of the diva. Looks and works so much nicer.
I used to work at Lutron engineering. Some of their biggest markets are mansions and yachts... The $70 price tag doesn't surprise me
Not sure I understand this correctly. So if I have a 3 way switch, I can replace just one of the two switches with this without messing around with the other switch. This is as expensive as the old caseta dimmer/pico set. I do like the convenient of a pico but don't want to mess with the wiring again.
My perfect smart switch would a something that looks exactly like a normal light switch, but it has a motor so when you turn it on or off remotely, it physically moves the switch. Same for the perfect dimmer switch.
I have found that when elderly people use our smart switches they get so confused because it doesn’t flip positions like a regular switch.
I like the cleaner look of these. Maybe replacement coming soon.😂
Love the videos! Relatively new here. A home assistant beginners guide, adding ZigBee devices, etc would be super helpful. Point me to one of your videos if already created please. Saw the NFC video now I'm hooked on figuring it out
So, you live in Arizona, right? Have you had any power issues, power outages/brownouts, etc? Im planning on moving to the Chandler area in a couple of years, so curious how these switches would be affected. Also, these Lutrons, do they require a web service like Hue bulbs?
When are we going to get a smart local rotary switch??
Will this handle led smart bulbs (multiple) in a chandelier and not make them all flicker?
Yeah I’m mad like you. I just upgraded about 10 of my switches to Lutron and now they come out with diva which fixes a bunch of my complaints
Big question in my mind is how is it's dimming performance with low power LEDs? Old switches can cause noticeable flicker of light at anything but 100% on as well as not continuing to slightly illuminate the LED when the switch is actually off.
I'll probably upgrade all mine to this once it is proven out and the price drops next year.
Doesn't seem like it's available in home depot yet. Any early birds know where to buy?
I had a feeling something was coming out the pipeline. I went to start slowly buying for a new house but I noticed a bit of a price drop so I thought I wait to see if something new was coming out.
DO you know of a good wifi 4 Way switch? I went the cheaper route a few years back with Kasa and for my needs it is great but it is annoying having most lights in my house on wifi switches except the hall lights because they are 4 way.
Thank you in advance for taking the time to answer my question.
The price is high, but hopefully it will go down. I would love to have some of these for my office and control the lighting while working. Do you know if these are an easy swap if you already have 3 way Lutron switches?
I still haven't seen many reviews of the Runless Wire switches.
Can you test something for me? If the physical dimmer is at 50% and then you change it to 25% on the app and then turn it off.
Does it turn on the light again at 50% or 25% if you ask it to turn on the light using a voice assistant?
What is the product number? Can't find it on the Lutron page.
I sure wish I would’ve seen your video when it first came out. Over the last couple weeks I’ve replaced most of the switches in my home with the old style Casita dimmer. These are a little bit more money, but definitely would’ve been what I chose. Also, do you know if Lutron still makes an on/off switch that doesn’t need neutral? I have a neon sign that doesn’t work with their no neutral dimmer. Thanks.
Hello. I was wondering if you could possibly help me with a question. My dad is blind and uses IOS accessibility to navigat his phone. I was wondering if you knew or could test how well it works with Home assistant. I want to help him set up a smart home. But I want to know how well different hub environments will work for him before I suggest one for him to use.
I love your outros!
I am using this switch with 75w multi color hue bulbs but for some reason it flickers when I dim the light.
Any way to fix it?
I have a question for a what would be a good smart wall switch. Project for my kitchen, track lighting with RGB smart bulbs (I can't find any track heads with RGB function) so I found the bulbs. Looking at a few 3 & 4 light track light units. Anyway, I want to be able to turn on/off (maybe dim as well) from the wall switch, but still be able to turn on/off and color change from a smart phone app, Google Home/Alexa. A standard wall switch will kill power to the track lights and I won't be able to turn the lights on without turning on the wall switch... Advice?
Nothing has been purchased yet.
For the track lights, I found there on Amazon: Avatar Controls 4 Pack Smart Bulb GU10, Alexa LED Light Bulbs Music Sync RGBCW Color Changing Dimmable WiFi Spot Lights Works with Google Home, Quick Connection
$70 is the dealbreaker for me.
I personally prefer the squishy buttons because they are quiet. My kids somehow make the switches that click way too loud.
I assume these don't do ELV and there is currently no ELV version? I find the ELV dimmers don't make my fixtures/bulbs hum like the non-ELV ones do.
Does the new version fix the automation issue?
Example setting the light to turn on to a certain brightness during specified times without that annoying delay?
Or does it still ramp to 100% then goes to the automation light level?
Don’t really care about the tactile aspect in this sort of situation. The light turning on or off is the only feedback I need. I’ve only swapped one switch so far, and that’s a simple on/off one that’s not even a rocker style. But to each their own :)
What about the fan switch? Anything that can do both light and fan separately?
So do you set up the dimming level for scenes using the slider, or is that just for the local on level? In other words, if someone moves the slider will it mess up scenes?
2 points: The first is that the physical 3way is important as some local codes DONT ALLOW (pico) non wired remotes (won't pass inspection/ 3 pole most be hard wired) The second is that they need to come out with ELV and MLV ASAP. hate having to spec different styles of dimmers in complex lighting situations
Can you do an updated Hub comparison 2022? I'm looking to get into it but not sure which hub to get. Thanks!
Are you aware if they can be used in 4 way applications? Also since there is no neutral wire do they turn on whenever the power goes out and back on like my smart bulbs?
I’m using regular toggle switches in 3 way with my Casétas so I’m not sure what you’re talking about.
Yeah, I don't mind paying for quality at all, and I am a Lutron fan, but at $70, it's just too much. Will be watching for a significant price decrease and then will pickup quite a few.
I love it!
I just bought 7 of these and I am starting to get them set up. I also use Home Assistant and right now I am not able to find them within Home Assistant. I do see the pico remote I added from the starter kit but not these dimmers. Has anyone been able to add these to Home Assistant?
Great video! I've had problems with the OG Caseta dimmers causing most LED bulbs to flicker or not turn on unless at over 50% brightness. This includes bulbs Lutron says are compatible with the dimmer and work with non-smart Lutron dimmers. I see the Diva dimmer has "LED+". Will that improve LED bulb compatibility?
Just installed the diva today with a halo 4 inch LED recessed lighting fixture. Both are brand new and the LED bulbs still flicker unless I don’t dim them too much. Just fyi.
Hi. Do you know if these new switches fixed power leakage. My son has some of the older model and some of his outdoor led lights has a glow with the old switch
What’s the model# and name of this switch ?
Can you confirm if this dimmer is going to be able to operate with matter or thread?
Such a new dimmer, and if it doesn’t offer matter, then it’s a deal killer for me. I’ll wait till one comes out. I have an order right now for 58 switches in dimmers, but I’ll cancel the order if I can’t confirm if it has matter or thread.
Doe this work with hue bulbs?
wish they had it for fan control. probably still use it for that but it's not ment for it
From an installation standpoint, I can't stand the pigtail wires coming out of it. Why not just screw terminals like Lagrand dimmers have????
I just want the sunnata style but compatible with caseta
I think it would be cool to have a smart
Dimmers with no neutral wire and the hug built in... 💯
Of course I JUST bought Caseta switches for my entire loft lol
Such a DIVA!
Why do the on/off switches need a neutral but the dimmers do not?
The DIVA routine at the end needed some additional work 😂
Z-wave controllable?
Would this work for fans with a slider for 3 fan speeds?
Smart switches, great, but do they work seamlessly with smart bulbs (e.g. Hue) ?
I've tried more that a few wifi/z-wave, with smartthings, HomeAssistant and Hubitat
I've yet to see a "smart" dimmer that can dim a "smart" light, as easily and reliably as a dumb dimmer can dim a dumb light
Inovelli Blue 2-1 in smart bulb mode and Zigbee binding with your preferred home automation- Home Assistant, Hubitat or Smartthings.
Sticking with kasa
Does it still enable 3-way control with Caseta pico remote?
Yes
Wait, why add the physical slider, which gets out of sync when you use the Smart. They already solved this with Sunnata. 🤦♂️
Question is how long will it hold up after getting used for years and years? For $70 it should probably last a long time.
People have had Lutron switches for years with zero problems. I'd bet these last a long time.
I can't find tech specs on the Lutron website yet - is the smart dimmer still a triac dimmer like the others in the diva line? I have a fixture with integrated LEDs that flickers when off with the old Caseta dimmer, which the manufacturer said would work properly with "a triac dimmer, which Lutron has available in their Diva product line".
Lutron sells a small capacitor that you can install to get around this problem. I can't say it will work for every situation, but it fixed that problem on a few of ours. PN: LUT-MLC
@@t0kinl3lunts thanks, I asked Lutron support about that previously and they said "We no longer advise on using the LUT-MLC on dimmers due to it possibly shorting out the internal components in the dimmer." Not sure if maybe I should just try it anyway...
@@GuyWithAScythe I’m not suggesting you ignore their recommendations, but I’m well over 6 months with it in and no issues so far. It was installed on a Caseta on/off switch (not dimmer) for a 1/2 watt LED nite-lite, built into a bathroom vent fan. The light wouldn’t fully shut off without it.
Btw, the pro dimmer (with neutral) helped reduce flickering at low brightness settings with some other fixtures, but didn’t eliminate it completely (can just barely see it at the lowest levels). I never tried it on the nite-lite, or for a fixture that wouldn’t shut off, but you might ask them about it. Downside is that it’s very expensive at ~$110!
Does anyone know if the 3-way configuration requires two switches or can you just replace one like some other brands?
You didn't mention but I assume it supports HomeHit.
Yes it works with HomeKit since it connects to Lutron’s Caseta bridge.
Price is a deal breaker!
If I have a 3 way or 4 way light can I use (1) "New" Lutron switch and leave the Pico's in place?
Yes
Amazon says these are 6 years old?
This is a very good additional option - it retains what's good about Lutron - including that its completely intuitive how to use it for anyone who has never seen one before. I have many existing Lutron Caseta switches & dimmers and I hardly ever touch them - they are either on room scenes controlled from scene picos, or automated in some other way (timed/sensors). Not sure it makes much real difference beyond initial look & feel to me. It would make more difference if you interact with the dimmers a lot (remembering the level, quick to full on and room exit are nice).
No decoupled mode, that's unfortunate
I'm shocked you would prefer these over Z wave 😮
Will these work if ordered to the UK? It seems you can only buy them online from the US
Probably not. US runs at 120V, UK is at 240V.
@@JamieStuff Yeah, I thought that would be the case, thanks
$70 a switch is crazy!
Kasa smart switch still seems to be the better deal