MEOWGIK GUIDE: ruclips.net/video/6P1PKzadXNE/видео.html If you still can't figure out who to buy, I made another video discussing them both: ruclips.net/video/C95VeqZ_gyI/видео.html *EDIT: SINCE THE NEW SYLVAN PATCH* - Meowgik's cats now follow your target even if attacking behind the wall - Meowgik's cats seem to _not miss or miss a lot less_ than before, I haven't counted but I don't see my cats missing anymore - Rage is now available Thanks for waaatching~ Have fun with Helix or Meowgik, whoever you prefer! :)
So when I heard first rumours about meowgik i begun saving coins and gems for him and on day one I bought him and leveled up to lv60 and quickly realised his full potential. Crazy strong against tanks, bosses and melee enemies. But as you said, not great for farming so I'm grinding C9 to avoid xp and get coins
It definitely is but I'm still not 100% if it's based on that ability. Every special ability in the game is an increase in damage (Rolla increase freeze), Rage, Clones, Blaze etc. I think Onir is the only one with a more special side! The kitties go through walls, spawn on chance, wait for targets and follow targets. I'm not 100% confident to say it's based off Sword Strikes specially since I can still pick them up with Meowgik :D
@@PurpleMoon799 I don't think has much to do with clones, but the rest seems right. I got him for the 5 dodge, but kinda miss the extra life and damage from helix, as the cats only spawm with certain proximity
Hahaha I knew that Meowgik was going to be OP since the first video talking about the hero. I previously was going to write about why it was going to be OP but at that time it was going to be a long essay comment so I decided to write a smaller comment to easily understand and discuss about. A well made video!! and thank you for putting in the time to making this video informative!!
There's a point you missed though, which is that Helix's damage transfers over abilities like Ricochet and Bouncy Walls, crit... etc while the cats are only going to hit the first target you hit, which means that Helix's damage buff also buffs other abilities while Mewogix's doesn't
True, but Ricochet and Bounce Wall keep decreasing their damage the more they proc. And also, According to Teed's guide on Meowgik, his cats can crit too, and their damage is ~3 times stronger than your Meowgik's crit.
I suggest you watch my Meowgik Guide if you are still curious about weapon interactions. Another thing about Meowgik's cats that I have discovered is that epic weapon effects also transfer over to the cats incase you don't reach that part of the video 😊
Me before trying out Meowgik: "Pffft. Let's give this novelty hero a try so I can go back to playing mah boi Helix." Update: Never used Helix even since the first Meowgik run. 😂
@@somxr_738 epic death scythe, epic vest 2 x rare serpent ring, epic elf, rare living bomb and green locket and bracelet. I forgot which one I used then I changed them now
Another thing worth considering that in chapter 13 you really need to burst enemies, and the spirit cats aren't good at that. Considering that his cats misses way too often and take too long to start hitting enemies, In my opinion Helix is still better and more reliable, despite Meowgik having more potential. Edit: Another thing I just realized and that is worth mentioning, if you get the wall crossing ability you can cheese a lot of rooms with the spirit cats, and considering that staying inside walls is the best strategy for chapter 13 I think meowgik will be better for that. Fuck me, now I'll need to save gems and coins to upgrade him.
i guess it comes down to whether you like a chance to do higher damage or have a decently high source of damage thx once again teeds for the info just need to spend 1.6m coin to lvl meowgik to 60
@@SuperTeeds I'm brazilian. I didn't understand anything in the video because I don't know English. so could you tell me which one is better? helix or meowgic?
Hey!! I’m new to the game as well to your channel and I’m watching all your videos to get tips. Now about this video, I’m happy to see that the best looking hero (meow) is also the strongest f2p. I’m surely going to him.
Hi teeds new player here . Tnx for the advices and explanations I already have 1600 gems and I can't decide yet who's hero I'm gonna buy for . I think I'll buy meowgik then. By the way I love the way you exlain and ur voice is so clear. More subscribers for u love yah :)
Hi Teeds :) Can you make a Maths Video about the new weapons please? I feel like the hunting staff is the strongest weapon atm Bit i Need confirmation:) you create Good Videos!
I think helix is pretty good, I haven’t tried meowgik yet because I need to save up gems, but I have gotten to dungeons and traps with helix so he’s definitely worth using!
Triller ThanMost epic tornado epic best of dexterity, Perfecr epic laser bat, epic scythe mage, epic bear ring, perfect epic serpent ring, great frozen bracelet and a common angels locket. Not to mention I had helix at level 59
I found more characteristics on the habit of the auto-cat after playing for an hour. Pros: 1. The auto-cat will only home to the target enemy that you are currently hitting and has a direct line of sight from you. Result: fewer obstacles map will have more chance of auto-homing cat. 2. The auto-cat will not disappear after it spawns. It goes away because the enemy you are currently hitting has been dead. Result: Auto-cat is extremely strong against the boss. It will stay at the original place and home to the boss even though the boss temporarily leaves the map and appear again. Cons: 1. The auto-cat will just go straight away after the mob is dead. It will not home to another target. Result: Auto-cat quite seldom reaches the mob once you have the ability to kill a mob within three-shot (33% spawn rate and traveling time required). Conclusion: extremely strong against BOSS. (BOSS rounds usually have fewer obstacles on the map) Weak against mobs. (Low chance to hit)
I don't know why but I could listen to you all day. Why do I think about FFVII when I hear you speak? You seem young not sure if you've ever played it. 😂 Keep up the vids I'll be looking for them.
Any chance you'll release your Onir video, Teeds? You said you were working on a video for him a while back, and I'm still curious to know how you feel about him. Keep up the good work! 👍❣️
Thanks for this vid :) I just got my Meowgik today but I don't know I still love to use my Lvl 64 Helix as I already invested lots of coins and sapphires to him :v Since Rage isn't working for Meowgik I guess I will stay for Helix for a moment :v I just get it's Lvl 20 universal stats :)
Meowgik cat summon chase your current target mob, unless its dead it will just run to the direction where it was last seen alive. Also, when you dont have a target and meowgik cat was summon it will run to the direction where your hero is facing. Thats what I noticed. Try it out on a boss that borrows underground the cat will wait for it to come out and attack
OK, I'm 40 seconds into this video (first time I've seen your channel...) and I'm already incredibly impressed with the level of professionalism and clarity you provide. I would love to see you expand into games beyond mobile too! I've played Old School Runescape for years and that community would benefit greatly for having someone like you making regular videos. Keep up the awesome videos - and hope you had a happy New Year! :D
Nice video as always and touche on the math calculation.. never tried Meowgik on a proper run but its really hard to replace 35k crit damage from Helix on chp 13 😝, i'll be sure to try Meowgik after watching this lol..
Of course, Helix is still super strong :D I still need to do a lot more research on Meowgik in regards to ability interactions. :D This is just Helix comparison with raw atk, I haven't done the crit comparison yet.
Hi, thanks for the video. I still have a doubt, what about the attack modifiers? I mean, what happen when you get double attacks or frontal attack +1? It duplicate meowgik's ability? (Fire rate) If it doesn't wouldn't Helix still have the advantage? There's ricochet too, helps a lot clearing mobs and do tons of damage to bosses with minions. Does meoggik's abilitie benefit from any active power up? Thank you
recently got back to the game because my phone died and I thought my account couldn't be transferred, to my pleasant surprise it did and when I notice the kitty.. I must have the kitty paws down! eventually you'll want to have as much heroes as possible because of the carry over passives. cant resist to give a heartfelt thanks for the math ;)
@superteeds I'd love for you to try something out for me. I've been using helix and bow or scythe for a long time. With new gear I've been using kitty with spear sometimes staff I have all heroes lv59 and weapons lv60 legendary. I have been stuck on ch13 for a while best is level 29. So today I tried using Rolla with spear and cleared ch13 with ease first time! She already has the highest base damage, when she gets rage her dps goes out the fringing window! But that's not the thing which made her so strong for me, it's her freeze. On ch13 the freeze was stopping the bosses using any of their special abilities. Worm couldn't shoot big ball, last boss could only sit at a distance and do small orbs. It was a cake walk! You must try!!
Did anyone notice that the ads in archero are now 45 seconds? 30 seconds main add + 15 seconds picture add which both cannot be cancelled. Can anyone talk to the devs about this? it's really ruining your momentum when playing.
You say that Meowgik ability isn't like anything we've seen ingame meaning that the other heros ability somewhat resembles existing ingame abilities? Meowgik ability is pretty similar to "Blazing strike" minus the burn effect and damage ofcourse.. its just a reskin @SuperTeeds anyways love your vids.. keep up the good work.
Thank you! It is similar to the strikes. But through walls? Across water? Runs to the Enemy? (the pause for underground enemeis is so cool too!) Definitely isn't like anything we've seen in game. The only Hero who has a "special" ability is Onir which is based on Holy Touch. His ability also goes through walls. Every other Hero's abilities are pretty much the same as the ability their based off with just damage/time increase. :)
@@SuperTeeds I see.. I'd call what the heros have an upgraded version of ingame abilities.. Meowgik is just really really upgraded. Anyways.. didn't think I'd get a reply so thanks.
You didn't mention anything about the extra crit dmg on Helix lvl20... I guess it would make some pretty good difference on the dps of the hero, since it actually affects its dmg and also since there's a percentage of chance of releasing the cats, same as it is for the crit dmg on Helix... Really don't know if it would make him the strongest, but since the parameter of the strenght of each hero was mainly the dmg, and the spirit cat is a special ability from Meowgik, I guess that for a fair comparison you also would have to consider Helix's special ability which, same as the spirit cat, affects the dmg, but wasn't counted... Makes sense to me... At last, really good job, keep up with the good work, and ty.
great comparison! but i feel that crit should also be taken into account since that is also what makes helix so strong. even though it is RNG, the bonus crit damage will affect the output of helix by a lot.
Just wondering if you're planning on re-making a weapon tier list video again since the release of spear + staff. Well I bought Meowgik since I got a staff from 10x epic chest and Helix wouldn't look as good with a staff LOL
I would love to be able to buy atleast one of them but I cannot farm all the gems and I cannot buy anything in the game for money ... But atleast I can watch your great videos where you play them
Not that Long. With The daily 30 and some luck at the wheel. Then some gifts by mail and you have it. I'll Safe 300 more for miaugik. Will take 1 week and I have him :)
Thank you for putting this together. In theory your calculation is correct (only for auto attack tho) I truely believe the end game builds are all about crits, which factors in base character auto attack and eventhough Mewgik has a higher +1 base attack per level and that dodge % at level 40, helix's rage multiplier raises the crits the most. This is just my opinion but with crit chance becoming more viable, its definately going to put crit builds at the top of the list in the upcoming patches. So its worth investing in wolf rings and a bow since farming is too tedious lol.
The problem some players said Meowgik is not strong because of the cat. If the cat is not like a missle and go hit another. It will be OP. Like for example, u hit the monster that is almost dead, then the cat is spawn to go hit that monster. However your next bow or any weapon you use should already hit the monster. The problem is cat just go straight away without hitting other monster. To sum up, cat spawn to hit specific target. That's annoying.
I have a lv58 helix, and had a lv 49 meow, and cleared chapter 12 in about 10 tries... compared to the dozens I did as helix. Meow also brought me to 13-33 on my first go. 100% best f2p hero. By a good margin.
If u have the chance to try it. I think helix is better with the staff+ diagonal arrow, his dmg increased will multiply by 3. That would be my future set up
That's all well and good but the rng skills also do play a very important part in the game so it can still be debatable if meowgik is better or helix I'm specifically talking about bouncy walls plus the arrow upgrades plus theres also a fact that the cats tend to miss alot while you can more reliably deal damage with helix Though when the bugs with meowgik are fixed he will no doubt be better than helix
thanks, i'm starting to save gems for one of them, guess i know which one I'll buy now (unless the new one coming next patch is f2p and better than those 2 xD)
Helix is still way better. The cats miss 75% of the time as you kill the enemy you are attacking before the cats hit it a lot of the time. Helix ability is way better than cats. Meowgik only has an advantage against bosses.
I don't agree and I do not experience a "75%" miss majority but I do understand that the Meowgik's misses can turn people away from him and it does happen but it's not fair to say that is the general outcome when every run is different with both Helix and Meowgik. Both are very powerful. As I said in the video, Meowgik is terrible for farming runs or easier chapter runs because his cats do not reach the target since he often kills them beforehand. But I also think that Helix is not great for farming runs either, you'll get more out of Bonnie or Phoren. Thanks for your input!
If you use stalker staff meowgik can't touch helix. With diagonal arrows you triple your damage and helix increases the damage of each of those 3 lines of "arrows".
How did you max out your spear already. Im jelly!!! Can't get new equipment drops to save my life 😒. I had a rare one to drop and that was at the beginning of the update and not one new one since then😤
So if i buy meowgik i won't need to farm a better bow like helix needs to be op? That's would be a huge point to buy mewgik over helix, specially for players without many lvl40/50 weapons 🤔 Ps : could you please make a guide of the best rings in the long term for the whole game? (based on all the enemys (ground/range/melee/range) in all the lvls)
Go for Helix man. The only way to meowgik will be better than Helix is if he gets rage bc Helix with staff and diagonal arrow is dealing his boosted dmg x 3 and the cat is only gonna spawn kittens 30% and only 30% of them hit
Also with Meowgick you have one more strong ability to choose from, Rage, compared to Helix. So your chance of getting a good ability to choose from level ups is a bit higher.
@@SuperTeeds not sure if you know already, meowgik's little kitty now auto aim after go through wall (after new update). i kinda feel like the little kitty move faster now (this one i not sure). cheers.
Thanks hey i'm lvl 30 just unlocked barrens of shadow today with lvl 26 urasil. i have enough gems to get 10 obsidian chest (2600), Do you think i should get the chest or Meowgik? I have one epic scythe mage, 3 rare and 4 great equips (Almost all rare) Thanks for the help :)
But this means that helix power scalates with +1 front arrow and multishot, because its ability is aplied directly on the final damage, but launching +1 front or multi arrow wont count as extra shot fot cat spawn, right?
What happens with a cat if the hero kills enemy before the cat gets him?? I mean the cat runs from hero to enemy, not appears near enemy, it takes a time to get there, hero can kill enemy before it happens
Ah btw, if you get something like diagonal arrows, meowgik chance to spawn is increased by a lot, i had the luck to have 3 pf that kind of buff, 2 diagonal and 1 side arrows, it was fcking ridiculous every attack spawned at least 3 cats.
What if you have ricochet though? Does the cat hit all the targets? Helix will get bonus damage on all the mobs correct? Get what I'm saying? So we need to compare them on AOE, instead of just single target.
With rage mewogik would be better, but you forgot that attacks can crit. The thing is the spawned cats can't crit so all calculations would be very different in dps values. With rage (which you would have to get in a run first) it would be different and mewogik should be better in this case.
Ah! I believe they do Crit but don't think it's very often. Had my cats crit for 12k a few times before when I was trying to figure out if they crit or not:)
Ah that sounds nice ^^ I didn't buy mewogik because I am free to play and prefer to have the gems if a intresting epic turns up at a merchant, so I am fine to stick around with helix. But I thought no skill could crit. Maybe mewogik is indeed the best current hero then (if crit damage multipliers work on that as well, especially with the new bonus from the epic bracelet it adds up)
@@seramiseryfang52 fair! Helix is still a really strong Hero and more reliable atm imo :) yeah I will test some more, it didn't happen very often! I did this at 5am I need to rest this while alert haha
Hope they fix his power as the cats miss too much they seem to work on bosses better than mobs would be better if they either moved faster like swords or traces more
Well do meogik’s cats deal more damage when you choose Attack boost? Because if they’re solely on his base damage they become less and less useful as you move up through the stages.
But guys don't forget the difference between helix and meowgik is that helix's dmg can crit while meowgiks kitties will not so it more or less equals out ALTHOUGH meowgic is deffo safer since you don't have to drop below 50% to to do the damage
Helix hability does scale with upgrades like +dmg ingame and things like that, but do the cats from meowgik scale too? I't might be an important factor to concider
They do scale with attack boosts. Not sure about crit boosts yet but if we are going by abilities, that might have to be for another video since that would be based off ability rng :)
I still disagree to this, how many cats are succesful to hit a monster every room? Most of the time none right? He's just strong against bosses but not on multiple enemies.
@superteeds What happens if i pickup front arrow and multishot (what you always want to do). Then the new damage should also scale with helix low health damage bonus. Then ultimately helix would maybe still be stronger? Calculation need to be done here :) Based on Archero wiki : Multishot -10% dmg and front arrow -25% dmg. (= -35%) That would mean if you do 1000dmg per hit minus 35% (650dmg) times 4 arrows would be 2600 dmg instead of 1000 dmg without an ability. And now add the helix bonus lets say at 50% health (50 x 1.2 % = 60%) would then be 4160 instead of 1600 without an ability at 50% health.
I have thought about it but because that is more ability based I didn't include it in this video. Not sure how Meowgik scales yet but Meowgik does spawn more cats with Multishot. I will find out in the guide most likely :)
And if you pickup Ricochet (-30% dmg) you will aswell get the bonus damage from helix passive on every of the 3 bounces. So if you have multishot + front arrow as calculated above at 50% health you would deal 4160 dmg. Now add that -30% from ricochet and you would hit 3 additional targets with 2912 dmg. Where as you would without helix passive only do 1820 on every ricochet hit. So helix at 50% with front arrow, multishot and ricochet would deal 5838 dmg ( 12896 complete dmg) more per one attack with the arrows bounce 3 times compared to helix at 100% health. And dont forget that all these bonuses are dubbled if you land a crit! ---> with a bow (150% bonus dmg on crit) would equal 32240 dmg per attack. Good luck Meowgik!
@@SuperTeeds Oh sorry, i didnt saw your comment because it didnt update because i was still writing my comment. Even tho its really complicated and we do not know for sure that helix bonus apply before or after abilities are picke up, I still hope that you will try to calculate this again so we can see who is the real winner. Maybe with some actual testing of dmg numbers ingame we can find it out. Keep up the great work👍🤠
I kinda figured from the beginning that Meowgik was gonna end up being strong, because I instantly got him to lvl 45 when I bought him after I got the early apk update. And used gems I save up. I've been using him since. I have him and Helix both lvl 57 rn which is my level cap right now. I like using my epic lvl 40 bright spear and I'm still stuck on Chapter 11 because I have only epic weapons
@[RAGE]Fusion I only have the lvl 30 blue staff, but he seems pretty good with it, I'd like to get an epic version before I have more input on the Staff. It seems pretty op tho but I still like the spear more at the moment
I played Meowgik quite a lot. And I realized that she couldn't get rage skill every time she leveled up. I don't know this is a wrong or a neft for Meowgik.
@@SuperTeeds In addition you did not take account the amount of arrows shot by the hero. You shot rarely one arrow at once at the end of a run: multishot, front, diagonal, side, rear, bouncy, ricochet and even piercing arrow could increase significantly the damage bonus from helix's ability, whereas meowgik's ability is not impacted by these skills. As a result i'm still hesitating between helix and meowgik to invest my gems in... :(
@@fenakor2926 Meowgik's ability is affected by Multishot, Front, Diagonal etc. More cats spawn with those Arrows as well. Also, I did take in account haha, I didn't show all my data but that's how I got the conclusion. But again, since this has been brought up a few times... This video is not based on ability build, that's a whole different story. That is RNG based, you do not get those abilities everytime. This video is based on raw attack.
MEOWGIK GUIDE: ruclips.net/video/6P1PKzadXNE/видео.html
If you still can't figure out who to buy, I made another video discussing them both: ruclips.net/video/C95VeqZ_gyI/видео.html
*EDIT: SINCE THE NEW SYLVAN PATCH*
- Meowgik's cats now follow your target even if attacking behind the wall
- Meowgik's cats seem to _not miss or miss a lot less_ than before, I haven't counted but I don't see my cats missing anymore
- Rage is now available
Thanks for waaatching~ Have fun with Helix or Meowgik, whoever you prefer! :)
thanks for all ur effort and work have some rest now :)
So when I heard first rumours about meowgik i begun saving coins and gems for him and on day one I bought him and leveled up to lv60 and quickly realised his full potential. Crazy strong against tanks, bosses and melee enemies. But as you said, not great for farming so I'm grinding C9 to avoid xp and get coins
thats good news as im a meowgik main. cant wait to see the guide :D i will test out archero master for sure it seems interesting
Just as a sidenote, hp growth of helix IS higher the meowgik, so as you level up, he gets more hp the the cat
@@micha4940 I'm new to this game, what makes him not good at farming?
Me after spending all my gems on Helix: *FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU*
Juste Just did that nooooo
Me too, just like 15 minutes ago
Me after getting Helix to level 70:
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Ahmed Aljarraah lolz
@@ahmadthefrog how?
Me: uses 1500 gems
Habby:
Great content teeds! Every time I see you post a new video it puts a smile on my face ☺️
Thanks for the motivation! 😊😊
Actually, meowgik abillity is a better version of the 'strikes' swords
It definitely is but I'm still not 100% if it's based on that ability. Every special ability in the game is an increase in damage (Rolla increase freeze), Rage, Clones, Blaze etc. I think Onir is the only one with a more special side! The kitties go through walls, spawn on chance, wait for targets and follow targets. I'm not 100% confident to say it's based off Sword Strikes specially since I can still pick them up with Meowgik :D
i would say its a mix of the swords and the shadow clone one
@@PurpleMoon799 I don't think has much to do with clones, but the rest seems right. I got him for the 5 dodge, but kinda miss the extra life and damage from helix, as the cats only spawm with certain proximity
@@SuperTeeds isn't onir just a enchanted holy arrow? Never got him. What is his extra?
@@ianesgrecia8568 it goes through walls so more than just a damage increase! :)
I'm a simple man. I see a great Archero channel paired with a great sounding voice, I hit 'like'.
You’re a simple man. You hear a female voice, you simp.
Hahaha I knew that Meowgik was going to be OP since the first video talking about the hero. I previously was going to write about why it was going to be OP but at that time it was going to be a long essay comment so I decided to write a smaller comment to easily understand and discuss about. A well made video!! and thank you for putting in the time to making this video informative!!
There's a point you missed though, which is that Helix's damage transfers over abilities like Ricochet and Bouncy Walls, crit... etc while the cats are only going to hit the first target you hit, which means that Helix's damage buff also buffs other abilities while Mewogix's doesn't
True, but Ricochet and Bounce Wall keep decreasing their damage the more they proc. And also, According to Teed's guide on Meowgik, his cats can crit too, and their damage is ~3 times stronger than your Meowgik's crit.
Ghuito damn.
I suggest you watch my Meowgik Guide if you are still curious about weapon interactions. Another thing about Meowgik's cats that I have discovered is that epic weapon effects also transfer over to the cats incase you don't reach that part of the video 😊
@@SuperTeeds Alright, i'll check it out
Do you rather be low in hp or high in hp with extra damage
Me before trying out Meowgik: "Pffft. Let's give this novelty hero a try so I can go back to playing mah boi Helix."
Update: Never used Helix even since the first Meowgik run. 😂
Hahahah this made me burst out laughing, glad you are enjoying the cat! :D
Hey Teeds :) thanks for all your content.
I have a maxed out archero account and I’d be down to let you run a video with it :)
That's so nice of you to offer, thank you! I think I have what I need on mine thankfully 🙌
I love both and switch alot
But meowgic helped me complete chapter 11:) maybe I like him a little more...
What level are ur equipment
@@somxr_738 epic death scythe, epic vest 2 x rare serpent ring, epic elf, rare living bomb and green locket and bracelet. I forgot which one I used then I changed them now
I'm at 13 using helix only 😂
Wow this is really helpful, thx Superteeds now I'm much more clearer about the 2 heroes
''Is Meowgic or Helix stronger...''
Sylvan : '' Let me introduce myself! ''
Yup, it's implied that it's among F2P heros...
Another thing worth considering that in chapter 13 you really need to burst enemies, and the spirit cats aren't good at that. Considering that his cats misses way too often and take too long to start hitting enemies, In my opinion Helix is still better and more reliable, despite Meowgik having more potential.
Edit: Another thing I just realized and that is worth mentioning, if you get the wall crossing ability you can cheese a lot of rooms with the spirit cats, and considering that staying inside walls is the best strategy for chapter 13 I think meowgik will be better for that. Fuck me, now I'll need to save gems and coins to upgrade him.
i guess it comes down to whether you like a chance to do higher damage or have a decently high source of damage thx once again teeds for the info just need to spend 1.6m coin to lvl meowgik to 60
I agree!
I've been waiting for you ♥
Thx for the quality video and your effort! :D
thank you, your support means so much to me! :)
@@SuperTeeds I'm brazilian. I didn't understand anything in the video because I don't know English. so could you tell me which one is better? helix or meowgic?
Ty Teeds, officially saving up for meowgik!
Great vid... Looking forward to your break down of the new items
Hey!! I’m new to the game as well to your channel and I’m watching all your videos to get tips. Now about this video, I’m happy to see that the best looking hero (meow) is also the strongest f2p. I’m surely going to him.
I like helix more
Hi teeds new player here . Tnx for the advices and explanations I already have 1600 gems and I can't decide yet who's hero I'm gonna buy for . I think I'll buy meowgik then. By the way I love the way you exlain and ur voice is so clear. More subscribers for u love yah :)
Hi Teeds :) Can you make a Maths Video about the new weapons please? I feel like the hunting staff is the strongest weapon atm Bit i Need confirmation:) you create Good Videos!
Will do! Thank you :)
Phone: SuperTeeds made a new video Me: this does put a smile on my face
Great video, this game is awesome i got it from Huawei AppGallery and cant stop playing it
I'll always love your videos! I agree completely.
Thank you ❤😩🙌
Allways play the hero u love the most .
Me just playing the first one . The one with no abilities bonus at all . That is the best way .
Thank you for putting this together!
I think helix is pretty good, I haven’t tried meowgik yet because I need to save up gems, but I have gotten to dungeons and traps with helix so he’s definitely worth using!
Never mind I just beat 12
M from Norway What gear you running with?
Triller ThanMost epic tornado epic best of dexterity, Perfecr epic laser bat, epic scythe mage, epic bear ring, perfect epic serpent ring, great frozen bracelet and a common angels locket. Not to mention I had helix at level 59
@@mfn1311 thankyou!! im still stuck at stage 11.. i actually like helix more than meowgik
I found more characteristics on the habit of the auto-cat after playing for an hour.
Pros:
1. The auto-cat will only home to the target enemy that you are currently hitting and has a direct line of sight from you.
Result: fewer obstacles map will have more chance of auto-homing cat.
2. The auto-cat will not disappear after it spawns. It goes away because the enemy you are currently hitting has been dead.
Result: Auto-cat is extremely strong against the boss. It will stay at the original place and home to the boss even though the boss temporarily leaves the map and appear again.
Cons:
1. The auto-cat will just go straight away after the mob is dead. It will not home to another target.
Result: Auto-cat quite seldom reaches the mob once you have the ability to kill a mob within three-shot (33% spawn rate and traveling time required).
Conclusion: extremely strong against BOSS. (BOSS rounds usually have fewer obstacles on the map) Weak against mobs. (Low chance to hit)
That makes perfect sense thanks
I don't know why but I could listen to you all day. Why do I think about FFVII when I hear you speak? You seem young not sure if you've ever played it. 😂 Keep up the vids I'll be looking for them.
Me at 1740 gems rn: HEHEHEHHEHEHE
same😂😂😂
Any chance you'll release your Onir video, Teeds? You said you were working on a video for him a while back, and I'm still curious to know how you feel about him. Keep up the good work! 👍❣️
Yes! Sorry for the delay! :)
Thanks for this vid :) I just got my Meowgik today but I don't know I still love to use my Lvl 64 Helix as I already invested lots of coins and sapphires to him :v Since Rage isn't working for Meowgik I guess I will stay for Helix for a moment :v I just get it's Lvl 20 universal stats :)
rage isn't working?
Appreciate your hard work on testing and doing the data 👍💝
Meowgik cat summon chase your current target mob, unless its dead it will just run to the direction where it was last seen alive. Also, when you dont have a target and meowgik cat was summon it will run to the direction where your hero is facing. Thats what I noticed. Try it out on a boss that borrows underground the cat will wait for it to come out and attack
OK, I'm 40 seconds into this video (first time I've seen your channel...) and I'm already incredibly impressed with the level of professionalism and clarity you provide. I would love to see you expand into games beyond mobile too! I've played Old School Runescape for years and that community would benefit greatly for having someone like you making regular videos. Keep up the awesome videos - and hope you had a happy New Year! :D
Oh my, thank you soooo much! Happy New Year :)
genuinely enjoyed watching this very well put together and extremely informative video. Thanks!
edit: gonna buy meowgik rn
Nice video as always and touche on the math calculation.. never tried Meowgik on a proper run but its really hard to replace 35k crit damage from Helix on chp 13 😝, i'll be sure to try Meowgik after watching this lol..
Of course, Helix is still super strong :D
I still need to do a lot more research on Meowgik in regards to ability interactions. :D This is just Helix comparison with raw atk, I haven't done the crit comparison yet.
Hi, thanks for the video.
I still have a doubt, what about the attack modifiers?
I mean, what happen when you get double attacks or frontal attack +1? It duplicate meowgik's ability? (Fire rate) If it doesn't wouldn't Helix still have the advantage? There's ricochet too, helps a lot clearing mobs and do tons of damage to bosses with minions. Does meoggik's abilitie benefit from any active power up? Thank you
recently got back to the game because my phone died and I thought my account couldn't be transferred, to my pleasant surprise it did and when I notice the kitty.. I must have the kitty paws down! eventually you'll want to have as much heroes as possible because of the carry over passives. cant resist to give a heartfelt thanks for the math ;)
Now i Have to level up my Meowgik . OMG imagine him with Rage eqiuped
Meowboi: You made me drop my catnip. Nyow you gonna get my claws! Err, my minion's claws. I'm throwing scythes.
@superteeds I'd love for you to try something out for me. I've been using helix and bow or scythe for a long time. With new gear I've been using kitty with spear sometimes staff I have all heroes lv59 and weapons lv60 legendary. I have been stuck on ch13 for a while best is level 29. So today I tried using Rolla with spear and cleared ch13 with ease first time! She already has the highest base damage, when she gets rage her dps goes out the fringing window! But that's not the thing which made her so strong for me, it's her freeze. On ch13 the freeze was stopping the bosses using any of their special abilities. Worm couldn't shoot big ball, last boss could only sit at a distance and do small orbs. It was a cake walk! You must try!!
Nice breakdown, thanks
Did anyone notice that the ads in archero are now 45 seconds? 30 seconds main add + 15 seconds picture add which both cannot be cancelled. Can anyone talk to the devs about this? it's really ruining your momentum when playing.
You say that Meowgik ability isn't like anything we've seen ingame meaning that the other heros ability somewhat resembles existing ingame abilities? Meowgik ability is pretty similar to "Blazing strike" minus the burn effect and damage ofcourse.. its just a reskin @SuperTeeds anyways love your vids.. keep up the good work.
Thank you! It is similar to the strikes. But through walls? Across water? Runs to the Enemy? (the pause for underground enemeis is so cool too!) Definitely isn't like anything we've seen in game.
The only Hero who has a "special" ability is Onir which is based on Holy Touch. His ability also goes through walls. Every other Hero's abilities are pretty much the same as the ability their based off with just damage/time increase. :)
@@SuperTeeds I see.. I'd call what the heros have an upgraded version of ingame abilities.. Meowgik is just really really upgraded. Anyways.. didn't think I'd get a reply so thanks.
You didn't mention anything about the extra crit dmg on Helix lvl20... I guess it would make some pretty good difference on the dps of the hero, since it actually affects its dmg and also since there's a percentage of chance of releasing the cats, same as it is for the crit dmg on Helix... Really don't know if it would make him the strongest, but since the parameter of the strenght of each hero was mainly the dmg, and the spirit cat is a special ability from Meowgik, I guess that for a fair comparison you also would have to consider Helix's special ability which, same as the spirit cat, affects the dmg, but wasn't counted... Makes sense to me... At last, really good job, keep up with the good work, and ty.
Forgot to mention that my comment is also because the heroes are at lvl40 on the video. Another reason why the extra crit should be on the math.
great comparison! but i feel that crit should also be taken into account since that is also what makes helix so strong. even though it is RNG, the bonus crit damage will affect the output of helix by a lot.
Yeah this is based of raw damage. Meowgik cats also crit so I have a lot more research to do haha.
@@SuperTeeds thanks for the effort!
Multiplied by 2.95 is a 195% increase honey
Love your video's by the way!
early for the first time :D luv ur vids keep up the good work !!!!
Just wondering if you're planning on re-making a weapon tier list video again since the release of spear + staff. Well I bought Meowgik since I got a staff from 10x epic chest and Helix wouldn't look as good with a staff LOL
I will be! :) LOL, fair reasoning hahaha
I would love to be able to buy atleast one of them but I cannot farm all the gems and I cannot buy anything in the game for money ... But atleast I can watch your great videos where you play them
You can, i Just farmed 1500 gems
Frederik Berger and how long it took you
Not that Long. With The daily 30 and some luck at the wheel. Then some gifts by mail and you have it. I'll Safe 300 more for miaugik. Will take 1 week and I have him :)
Don't waste your gems on revives
That's a huuuge mistake that I sadly have done
Great Video ty. And your voice is sooo cute omg 😅😘
Thank you for putting this together.
In theory your calculation is correct (only for auto attack tho)
I truely believe the end game builds are all about crits, which factors in base character auto attack and eventhough Mewgik has a higher +1 base attack per level and that dodge % at level 40, helix's rage multiplier raises the crits the most.
This is just my opinion but with crit chance becoming more viable, its definately going to put crit builds at the top of the list in the upcoming patches. So its worth investing in wolf rings and a bow since farming is too tedious lol.
i ONLY play w atreus
A true king
imma wait to see what the next hero is cause this takin a toll on my gems
The problem some players said Meowgik is not strong because of the cat. If the cat is not like a missle and go hit another. It will be OP. Like for example, u hit the monster that is almost dead, then the cat is spawn to go hit that monster. However your next bow or any weapon you use should already hit the monster. The problem is cat just go straight away without hitting other monster. To sum up, cat spawn to hit specific target. That's annoying.
I have a lv58 helix, and had a lv 49 meow, and cleared chapter 12 in about 10 tries... compared to the dozens I did as helix. Meow also brought me to 13-33 on my first go. 100% best f2p hero. By a good margin.
If u have the chance to try it. I think helix is better with the staff+ diagonal arrow, his dmg increased will multiply by 3. That would be my future set up
That's all well and good but the rng skills also do play a very important part in the game so it can still be debatable if meowgik is better or helix
I'm specifically talking about bouncy walls plus the arrow upgrades plus theres also a fact that the cats tend to miss alot while you can more reliably deal damage with helix
Though when the bugs with meowgik are fixed he will no doubt be better than helix
Hey great video! I want to ask you is it good to spend 2600 gems to open 10 epic chests? Ty love you
Hey not sure sorry! I usually save mine for the vendor. But right now they do have increase drop rate chance. Thanks you!! :)
Like u videos very greetings from GER 🇩🇪
thx for this vid, very useful to know =)
But what about ricochet or the upgrade that lets your attack go through mobs? You only calculated single target dmg.
Thanks Teeds!
You're welcome:) thanks for watching
thanks, i'm starting to save gems for one of them, guess i know which one I'll buy now (unless the new one coming next patch is f2p and better than those 2 xD)
Helix is still way better.
The cats miss 75% of the time as you kill the enemy you are attacking before the cats hit it a lot of the time. Helix ability is way better than cats. Meowgik only has an advantage against bosses.
once meowgik gets rage he will be better.
I don't agree and I do not experience a "75%" miss majority but I do understand that the Meowgik's misses can turn people away from him and it does happen but it's not fair to say that is the general outcome when every run is different with both Helix and Meowgik. Both are very powerful. As I said in the video, Meowgik is terrible for farming runs or easier chapter runs because his cats do not reach the target since he often kills them beforehand. But I also think that Helix is not great for farming runs either, you'll get more out of Bonnie or Phoren. Thanks for your input!
@@SuperTeeds Watch and count in your video. The cats miss 75%
If you use stalker staff meowgik can't touch helix. With diagonal arrows you triple your damage and helix increases the damage of each of those 3 lines of "arrows".
How did you max out your spear already. Im jelly!!! Can't get new equipment drops to save my life 😒. I had a rare one to drop and that was at the beginning of the update and not one new one since then😤
So if i buy meowgik i won't need to farm a better bow like helix needs to be op? That's would be a huge point to buy mewgik over helix, specially for players without many lvl40/50 weapons 🤔
Ps : could you please make a guide of the best rings in the long term for the whole game? (based on all the enemys (ground/range/melee/range) in all the lvls)
I'm almost at 1500 gems, and i was sure about buying helix, but now i have some doubts... D:
Go for Helix man. The only way to meowgik will be better than Helix is if he gets rage bc Helix with staff and diagonal arrow is dealing his boosted dmg x 3 and the cat is only gonna spawn kittens 30% and only 30% of them hit
What do you think of crit build Taranis @lv80 with his +50% crit attack ?
Teeds, isn’t meowgiks ability same as STRIKE (frost strike without frost)
Oh good call, yeah basically haha. A very powerful strike!
@@davidsanders3250 im sure Helix's Fury increase more damage than Rage
@@dnghn.design teeds said as much in the video. Rage goes by 1% and helix gets 1.2%
@@TheRealBrotherGrimmy you are missing the point of my comment
@@dnghn.design LMAO you are 100% correct now that I've reread everything XD my bad
Also with Meowgick you have one more strong ability to choose from, Rage, compared to Helix. So your chance of getting a good ability to choose from level ups is a bit higher.
A guide app? Heck yea!!
i just realized that the little kitties which go thru walls have no aiming ability.
Yup! But that would be very op haha
@@SuperTeeds thats what i was expecting. but u got point. :)
@@SuperTeeds not sure if you know already, meowgik's little kitty now auto aim after go through wall (after new update). i kinda feel like the little kitty move faster now (this one i not sure). cheers.
Thank you sooo much
I just purchased Meowgik
I hope he serves me well
Can someome explain the difference between fire effect and poison effect
Fire damage: short duration high damage.
Poison damage: long duration low damage.
@@LeGamer65 what do you prefer
@@DIVINGBELL04 Fire
this video came out right after i bought meowgik, good to know i didnt make a mistake lol
Thanks hey i'm lvl 30 just unlocked barrens of shadow today with lvl 26 urasil. i have enough gems to get 10 obsidian chest (2600), Do you think i should get the chest or Meowgik? I have one epic scythe mage, 3 rare and 4 great equips (Almost all rare) Thanks for the help :)
Hey what about about helix with diagonal + bouncy? That should be more DMG than cats
Hard to say, I have to do more testing with Meowgik. He also spawns more cats with multiple arrows :)
@@SuperTeeds True! Okay keep up the good work, uv got a really sexy accent 😂😉
But this means that helix power scalates with +1 front arrow and multishot, because its ability is aplied directly on the final damage, but launching +1 front or multi arrow wont count as extra shot fot cat spawn, right?
What happens with a cat if the hero kills enemy before the cat gets him?? I mean the cat runs from hero to enemy, not appears near enemy, it takes a time to get there, hero can kill enemy before it happens
Ah btw, if you get something like diagonal arrows, meowgik chance to spawn is increased by a lot, i had the luck to have 3 pf that kind of buff, 2 diagonal and 1 side arrows, it was fcking ridiculous every attack spawned at least 3 cats.
What if you have ricochet though? Does the cat hit all the targets? Helix will get bonus damage on all the mobs correct? Get what I'm saying? So we need to compare them on AOE, instead of just single target.
When mixed with abilities Helix comes out stronger
Ye, but does he have cute little catos :3
I think Meowgick is stronger abilities+stalker staff... because more balls to hit more pussy cats are summoned...
You are crazy!))). Wow! Don't regret spending 1800 for Meowgik!))
With rage mewogik would be better, but you forgot that attacks can crit. The thing is the spawned cats can't crit so all calculations would be very different in dps values.
With rage (which you would have to get in a run first) it would be different and mewogik should be better in this case.
Ah! I believe they do Crit but don't think it's very often. Had my cats crit for 12k a few times before when I was trying to figure out if they crit or not:)
Ah that sounds nice ^^
I didn't buy mewogik because I am free to play and prefer to have the gems if a intresting epic turns up at a merchant, so I am fine to stick around with helix.
But I thought no skill could crit.
Maybe mewogik is indeed the best current hero then (if crit damage multipliers work on that as well, especially with the new bonus from the epic bracelet it adds up)
@@seramiseryfang52 fair! Helix is still a really strong Hero and more reliable atm imo :) yeah I will test some more, it didn't happen very often! I did this at 5am I need to rest this while alert haha
Hope they fix his power as the cats miss too much they seem to work on bosses better than mobs would be better if they either moved faster like swords or traces more
Well do meogik’s cats deal more damage when you choose Attack boost? Because if they’re solely on his base damage they become less and less useful as you move up through the stages.
They do, I mention that in the video:)
SuperTeeds really, well then meowgik is an amazing hero.
But guys don't forget the difference between helix and meowgik is that helix's dmg can crit while meowgiks kitties will not so it more or less equals out ALTHOUGH meowgic is deffo safer since you don't have to drop below 50% to to do the damage
Just bought Meowgic and before was playing Helix. This cat is amazing. The only cons is lower health.
Helix hability does scale with upgrades like +dmg ingame and things like that, but do the cats from meowgik scale too? I't might be an important factor to concider
They do scale with attack boosts. Not sure about crit boosts yet but if we are going by abilities, that might have to be for another video since that would be based off ability rng :)
I still disagree to this, how many cats are succesful to hit a monster every room? Most of the time none right? He's just strong against bosses but not on multiple enemies.
So Meo is more strong?
ty so much for such calculations! would save gems for mew!
@superteeds What happens if i pickup front arrow and multishot (what you always want to do). Then the new damage should also scale with helix low health damage bonus. Then ultimately helix would maybe still be stronger? Calculation need to be done here :) Based on Archero wiki : Multishot -10% dmg and front arrow -25% dmg. (= -35%) That would mean if you do 1000dmg per hit minus 35% (650dmg) times 4 arrows would be 2600 dmg instead of 1000 dmg without an ability. And now add the helix bonus lets say at 50% health (50 x 1.2 % = 60%) would then be 4160 instead of 1600 without an ability at 50% health.
I have thought about it but because that is more ability based I didn't include it in this video. Not sure how Meowgik scales yet but Meowgik does spawn more cats with Multishot. I will find out in the guide most likely :)
And if you pickup Ricochet (-30% dmg) you will aswell get the bonus damage from helix passive on every of the 3 bounces. So if you have multishot + front arrow as calculated above at 50% health you would deal 4160 dmg. Now add that -30% from ricochet and you would hit 3 additional targets with 2912 dmg. Where as you would without helix passive only do 1820 on every ricochet hit. So helix at 50% with front arrow, multishot and ricochet would deal 5838 dmg ( 12896 complete dmg) more per one attack with the arrows bounce 3 times compared to helix at 100% health. And dont forget that all these bonuses are dubbled if you land a crit! ---> with a bow (150% bonus dmg on crit) would equal 32240 dmg per attack. Good luck Meowgik!
@@louissenn9897 thanks for the effort but as I said before, still need to figure out Meowgiks scales to make it comparable haha.
@@SuperTeeds Oh sorry, i didnt saw your comment because it didnt update because i was still writing my comment. Even tho its really complicated and we do not know for sure that helix bonus apply before or after abilities are picke up, I still hope that you will try to calculate this again so we can see who is the real winner. Maybe with some actual testing of dmg numbers ingame we can find it out. Keep up the great work👍🤠
@@louissenn9897 all good! I will, thank you for your input :)
I kinda figured from the beginning that Meowgik was gonna end up being strong, because I instantly got him to lvl 45 when I bought him after I got the early apk update. And used gems I save up. I've been using him since. I have him and Helix both lvl 57 rn which is my level cap right now. I like using my epic lvl 40 bright spear and I'm still stuck on Chapter 11 because I have only epic weapons
And I've noticed I am better with meowgik than i am with Helix
@[RAGE]Fusion I only have the lvl 30 blue staff, but he seems pretty good with it, I'd like to get an epic version before I have more input on the Staff. It seems pretty op tho but I still like the spear more at the moment
Your voice is amazing
I played Meowgik quite a lot. And I realized that she couldn't get rage skill every time she leveled up. I don't know this is a wrong or a neft for Meowgik.
It is glitched right now but they said they will fix it :)
They don’t glitch, you first need to hit enemy with you weapon, only then cats will target
Math is on point, but if we factor in the amount of hits that meowgik misses, it gets more complicated
Agreed, it's just really hard to calculate when each run is so different :'(
and if u shoot a mob behind a wall hoping the little kitty will do the auto aim, it wont. it goes straight line. not sure, please test.
@@SuperTeeds In addition you did not take account the amount of arrows shot by the hero. You shot rarely one arrow at once at the end of a run: multishot, front, diagonal, side, rear, bouncy, ricochet and even piercing arrow could increase significantly the damage bonus from helix's ability, whereas meowgik's ability is not impacted by these skills.
As a result i'm still hesitating between helix and meowgik to invest my gems in... :(
@@fenakor2926 Meowgik's ability is affected by Multishot, Front, Diagonal etc. More cats spawn with those Arrows as well. Also, I did take in account haha, I didn't show all my data but that's how I got the conclusion. But again, since this has been brought up a few times... This video is not based on ability build, that's a whole different story. That is RNG based, you do not get those abilities everytime. This video is based on raw attack.
@@SuperTeeds oh ok thanks !