The Group S Cars (Part 1)

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  • Опубликовано: 22 дек 2024

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  • @JackohMotors
    @JackohMotors  5 лет назад +167

    You guys all seem to be really positive about me making a part 2 to this video. I'm currently onto the editing phase, so estimate it should be around a week until it is out. Thanks for waiting!

    • @ryanc00p3r3
      @ryanc00p3r3 5 лет назад +2

      You forgot the the Lada Samara S Proto.
      It may look like a joke on paper and looks but the car is pretty competative, its a predecessor of the Group A Lada.
      Yeah the Horse power figure is to make it allow for Group B and Group S.
      Same engine as the Lada Group A, 300 BHP NA down tune restricted and central dif AWD Mid engine layout.
      Official Max Power, Still classified from Soviet era to modern era by the Russian Jet engine manufacture.
      Chasis is a Alluminum space frame monocok insted of lighter materials for stragnt, low cost, easy to build and yeah.. To make it for FIA weight regulation which is pretty heavy regulation.

    • @kaidokiller
      @kaidokiller 5 лет назад +2

      Please make part two this is really interesting

    • @BikingwithJP
      @BikingwithJP 5 лет назад +2

      Love the dry wit humour, keep the videos coming :)

    • @Blueflag04
      @Blueflag04 5 лет назад +1

      I can wait

    • @bravelittleabacus
      @bravelittleabacus 5 лет назад +2

      There was one other car you forgot for part 2: The Lada Samara EVA. It was like it's VFTS cousin in Group B, but it was based on a Lada Samara and was mid-engined rear wheel drive. It was also producing 380hp.

  • @iSkiLLeTXx
    @iSkiLLeTXx 5 лет назад +315

    the moment you remember that even lada wanted to make a +350hp midengined awd hatch for group s

    • @ineednochannelyoutube5384
      @ineednochannelyoutube5384 4 года назад +22

      I mean, 250bhp rwd tuned ladas were all over the regionals in all of the eastern block, making a porpouse built rally version would make sense.

    • @racecardriverrr4201
      @racecardriverrr4201 3 года назад +3

      there was already a Gr.B lada

    • @Madrat-tw2in
      @Madrat-tw2in 2 года назад +10

      @@racecardriverrr4201 yeah but that car was nothing compared to their group s car

    • @racecardriverrr4201
      @racecardriverrr4201 2 года назад +1

      @@Madrat-tw2in True

    • @dusankocisevic6823
      @dusankocisevic6823 2 года назад +1

      LADA. BONKERS. RESPECT.
      🙃🙃🙃

  • @TamiyaGuy123
    @TamiyaGuy123 5 лет назад +121

    Even as a bit of a Group B nut, there was a staggering amount of information I never even knew about Group S in this video - you've clearly done your research on this, and it absolutely shows. Big props for searching around for images & videos as well, and not just using the more easy-to-find videos from the cars' Group B counterparts or their replicas. I never even knew that the 405 was planning to be the 205's successor specifically for its longer wheelbase before being repurposed as a hillclimb car, particularly given Group B's tendency towards shorter wheelbases for manoeuvrability.
    I'd be absolutely fascinated in learning more about the smaller/more obscure Group S cars you mentioned at the end. The concept of a dual-engine system in something as tiny as the Ibiza sounds like one of those the bonkers ideas that could only have existed in the 80's.
    And to top it all off, you credited your sources when you used videos from other people. Anyone that does that earns immediate respect in my books.

    • @JackohMotors
      @JackohMotors  5 лет назад +19

      Thank you so much!! Comments like yours make the whole video-making process all the more worthwhile :)

    • @AmirPomen
      @AmirPomen 3 года назад +1

      I dont think 405 were meant to be successor to the 205...
      It was used only in dakar rally and hillclimb because longer wheelbase means better stability on high speed run for those 2 type of events ?
      Anyway this is just my thinking..not in anyway backed by any official fact/figure

    • @poplaurentiu4148
      @poplaurentiu4148 2 года назад +2

      Well the list of Group-B to merge in Group-S secret cars was a bit longer than what is mentioned for part 2 : Mitsubishi also did modify a Starion 4WD for Group-S was in full testings.. along with Porsche 959 S (that won latter Dakar) and FSO 2500 Strato-Polonez 4WD.. Nissan also made a mid-engine 4WD prototype that old rumors spoken it was intended to enter WRC Group-S but not sure why got ditched Nissan Mid4 II, other old 84-85 WRC clips show BMW - M1, they did few races in last 2 years of WRC Group-B most famous courses only on dry & paved tarmac stages and intended to fully enter entire season WRC in Group-S along with another exotic name Ferrari who got the 308 GT/M for WRC raced just same like M1-PROcar few times in Group-B but one italian auto-magazine had an article about more serious intentions of Ferrari announcing to enter next with the 288 GTO EVO prototype in WRC Group-S.. After the Group-B banning the one off 288 GTO EVO prototype was intensively used by factory engineers as testing-muhle helping Ferrari to build the legendary F-40..

  • @Shinyodd
    @Shinyodd 5 лет назад +128

    These videos are fantastic! Really high quality stuff, really hope more people begin watching these!

    • @JackohMotors
      @JackohMotors  5 лет назад +10

      Shinyodd Thank you very much! Glad you enjoyed it! :)

    • @rikkwedge7531
      @rikkwedge7531 5 лет назад +7

      High power rallyboyes yeet
      Petition for a Group S rally car themed Automation/BeamNG build lul

    • @__Not_To_Knovv__
      @__Not_To_Knovv__ 5 лет назад +3

      Sup Shiny! Waddup?

    • @paccin339
      @paccin339 5 лет назад +2

      Whoa that's a weird encounter I must say

    • @DAZUNIVERSALINDUSTREIS
      @DAZUNIVERSALINDUSTREIS 3 года назад +1

      WASSUP SHINY

  • @slaidk1405
    @slaidk1405 5 лет назад +132

    Just one word:
    Perfect

    • @exvious6066
      @exvious6066 5 лет назад +1

      NO ONE CHANGE IT FROM 69 LIKES! (Also nice.)
      Edit: frick

    • @wizzotizzo
      @wizzotizzo 8 месяцев назад

      ​@@exvious6066 how old are you now mate

  • @rucarnuts13
    @rucarnuts13 5 лет назад +62

    Do a Part 2, if only for the Group S RX-7!
    That would have been nuts! The lightweight, rev-happy, compact nature of the rotary engine inside an short AWD sports car chassis would have been insanity!
    As it was, the Group B RX-7 was pretty nutty with only 350~ish horsepower from a NA Peripheral Ported 13B.
    10K+ RPM, AWD, 600+ HP! Man, if only...

    • @peterdaviesracing
      @peterdaviesracing 5 лет назад +6

      I even read something about 4 wheel steering...

    • @rucarnuts13
      @rucarnuts13 5 лет назад +3

      David Jundt - If it’s anything like the rear wheel steering that they had in the standard FC’s; then it’d likely be a form of dynamic tracking based on body roll. Super lightweight, simple and effective way to get better turn-in. Probably would have made for a killer combination!

    • @dusankocisevic6823
      @dusankocisevic6823 2 года назад

      @@peterdaviesracing there is a Lancia Delta Integrale gr.A prototipo with 4WD steering parked in somebody’s showroom/livingroom in northern Italy………. MADNESS

  • @noahmcgonigle8099
    @noahmcgonigle8099 3 года назад +16

    We need a full on Group B rally racing. Like, a full simulation. Spectators on the track, dangerous jumps and turns, and malfunctioning parts, like the co-drivers mic being broken. Once you finish the group b sector, you race in group s. I know group b never had an official ending, and group s never started, it would be cool to have a rally game like that

    • @xMrManu
      @xMrManu Год назад +4

      I know I'm a bit late, the only game I know that adds group S cars is art of rally. It's not a simulator, but it's quite fun as well, and it's the only one I've heard of that imagines the world if group b was never suspended and deleted

    • @noahmcgonigle8099
      @noahmcgonigle8099 Год назад +1

      @@xMrManu saw that little game. Pretty sick

    • @yaboianz
      @yaboianz Месяц назад

      Would be actually balls to the wall if Codemasters implemented something like this in their rally games

  • @m1a2abramsmainbattletank58
    @m1a2abramsmainbattletank58 2 года назад +4

    The Peugeot 405 t16 remains as a pikes peak hill climb monster that still competes in pikes peak today

  • @eugenizer
    @eugenizer 5 лет назад +61

    I'd like to see part 2 ;-) + your editing got better! Keep it Up!

    • @JackohMotors
      @JackohMotors  5 лет назад +3

      eugenizer Thank you! I’ll get onto it eventually!! 👍

    • @futten3230
      @futten3230 5 лет назад +2

      same

  • @akosadriankasza266
    @akosadriankasza266 5 лет назад +16

    Since i first saw the Lancia ECV i thought it's a scary car. It looks scary and is an absolute beast.

    • @kfoalbfkdkd5302
      @kfoalbfkdkd5302 5 лет назад +4

      Yup, and it was so far ahead its time, especially the usage of a carbon fibre body. Also the triflux engine is a fascinating piece of machinery!

  • @pentagrammotorsport
    @pentagrammotorsport 5 лет назад +17

    Great video. You’ve missed the biggest innovation on the ECV though. It ran a triflux cylinder head with a central inlet manifold and exhaust manifolds on either sides so the inlet and exhaust valves were diagonally opposed and there was no “hot side”
    This meant some of the experimental maps yielded over 900bhp from a 1.75 litre lampredi twin cam. Absolutely awesome machine!

    • @JackohMotors
      @JackohMotors  5 лет назад +6

      Its a shame it never saw any official races, would've been awesome :(

    • @derschwarzgeist
      @derschwarzgeist 5 лет назад +6

      I was waiting for this to be mentioned. It's too bad the concept kind of died with the ECV (as far as I know). It's probably a fair bit more mechanically complex, but I could see it potentially being used to get more power out of modern engines and/or improve their fuel efficiency.

  • @danwright7389
    @danwright7389 5 лет назад +11

    Very interesting and I'd like to see part two! Technically Group S resurfaced in 1997 as WRC regulations.

  • @TheSergioTurbo
    @TheSergioTurbo 5 лет назад +4

    One interesting thing about the ECV "replica" is that it isn't exactly a replica - while they had to use a regular S4 chassis as the only ECV chassis is fitted to the ECV 2, the body panels are the original ones and a spare Triflux engine has been fitted to it. The car even has the original experimental Campagnolo carbon fiber wheels, though those are fitted only when the car is on static display and regular racing spec alloys are used when the car does show runs.
    All in all, I believe that more of a replica it can be considered more of a "completion" using the closest replacement avaible for parts that simply weren't available.

  • @lancergt1000
    @lancergt1000 5 лет назад +8

    1:48 "The TCT faded away and isn't remembered that well"
    Unless they've played SEGA Rally that is

  • @TheKurtkapan34
    @TheKurtkapan34 5 лет назад +1

    Yes! Just watched Group B video and easily a new subscriber. You did good my man. RUclips algorithm worked good today.
    That Skoda is awesome!

    • @JackohMotors
      @JackohMotors  5 лет назад

      Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! I think the Skoda is fantastic and sadly overshadowed by the big boys

  • @kirkniese
    @kirkniese 4 года назад

    Thank you so much from the State of Maine. I can't get enough of this technical detail. Well done!

  • @deadredeyes
    @deadredeyes 5 лет назад +13

    Fantastic video! Subbed and hoping for a Part 2.

    • @JackohMotors
      @JackohMotors  5 лет назад +1

      deadredeyes I’ll get on it at some point!

  • @connorminniss9621
    @connorminniss9621 5 лет назад +1

    This was such a good video, the best historical automotive video I have seen in a while!

  • @RogueBeatsARG
    @RogueBeatsARG 5 лет назад +3

    That Lancia look so futuristic!

    • @poplaurentiu4148
      @poplaurentiu4148 5 лет назад +2

      Well if that looks futuristic just hear me out because you will tank me latter.. the Peugeot 405 was just a test bed for the prototype named 'Peugeot Quasar' (search it with google pics) that space-ship for roads suppose to run in Group S rally.. ;0)

    • @RogueBeatsARG
      @RogueBeatsARG 5 лет назад +1

      @@poplaurentiu4148 what about the Oxia! Peugeot got some space ship looking cars in the 80s :D

    • @poplaurentiu4148
      @poplaurentiu4148 5 лет назад +1

      @@RogueBeatsARG That one might have being build to follow Audi 100/200 Quattro on Trans-AM American series or European Touring series Nurburgring included since the Oxia concept suppose to have 2 limited slip differentials, four wheel steering (front opposite to rear) and the body made in experimental honey-comb structure it was very light, definitely it could have been a deadly weapon on any tracks ! ;0)

  • @JkTheMixer
    @JkTheMixer 5 лет назад +3

    A couple of notes for the otherwise brilliant video!
    Group S was first meant to be the "prototypes for rallying" with little to no restrictions. This included the 10 car homologation and unrestricted engine size and power. However, after Toivonen's and Cresto's accident everyone knew that Group B was too dangerous to be left alive. After this, the Group S was modified as the successor of the Group B with the 10 car homologation rule kept, but with the permitting of exotic materials and 1,2l turbos or 2,4l NAs with around 350 bhp.
    This class was pitched against the Group A regulations and I believe Lancia first supported these regulations before seeing the marketing potential of the Group A and switched over. Peugeot supported the Group S rules but left the negotiations early to focus on the 905 and Dakar, and Mazda switched from Group S RX-7 to the 323 4WD Group A. The only real supporter for the Group S was Toyota, which of course joined the Group A in the 90s. When discussing about the new regulations for the 1997 season the Group S was again brought to the table, with bans to some exotic materials. This was however quickly ruled out in favor of the WRC regs.
    Basically, when the Lancia and Audi could push over 700 bhp (900 was probably reachable), they were made for the older, pre Corsica 86-Group S rules. If the Group S were to be materialized in 87 or 88 (there was a one year delay proposed which was to be driven with Group A cars), they would have had the before mentioned 1.2s or 2.4s.

  • @aahessu
    @aahessu 5 лет назад

    These videos are pure Gold and your narrating voice is perfect for these kind of videos. Instant sub!

  • @PrehistoricBeasts
    @PrehistoricBeasts 5 лет назад +1

    This was an enjoyment to watch. Thank you.

  • @Hopscotchlemonadespritz
    @Hopscotchlemonadespritz 3 года назад

    Each of these cars are so brutishly beautiful

  • @josaphatfebrianj.f_works2838
    @josaphatfebrianj.f_works2838 2 года назад +1

    the fact that the 405 T16 won Paris Dakar and Pikes Peak is a proof that Group S meant serious business

  • @blackbirdsr71
    @blackbirdsr71 5 лет назад

    Great video, excellent information. Please do part 2!
    I concur, Group B shrine is the best website on the internet!

  • @roystevenson1635
    @roystevenson1635 5 лет назад +2

    Great video mate really enjoyed that

    • @JackohMotors
      @JackohMotors  5 лет назад

      Roy Stevenson Thank you very much!

  • @Cosigner22
    @Cosigner22 5 лет назад +4

    1:00... That RX7 is RAD!!!

  • @BastardX13
    @BastardX13 5 лет назад +2

    Wicked look and sound, that Mr2

  • @jxpd7898
    @jxpd7898 5 лет назад +2

    These cars just look awesome, insanely awesome

  • @kajwis2675
    @kajwis2675 5 лет назад +6

    I discovered your group b vid yesterday and I really like it good job👍

  • @ack434
    @ack434 5 лет назад

    These are like the forbidden gems of the auto world.

  • @vintageman91
    @vintageman91 5 лет назад +2

    The Rallygroupbshrine site is amazing , i have been reading it over and over. But i think the Mid engine sport Quattro was actually meant for group b and the rs002 for group S.

    • @JackohMotors
      @JackohMotors  5 лет назад

      Tyrox 222 Ywah I realised that after writing the script, but I felt it would be good to keep in because it’s quite interesting. Thanks for watching :)

  • @teemumyyrylainen9247
    @teemumyyrylainen9247 5 лет назад +2

    most of those cars raced in rally cross and hill climb events from 87 to 94-95... some even in non official rally events that did not follow FIA group rules, where group b cars still raced after 86 season. apart from audi and lancia prototypes that where never raced.

  • @TheRUBrally
    @TheRUBrally 4 года назад

    Great GREAT video... but why Lancia produced ECV2 in 1988... the group S was scrapped in 1986...

  • @MoultrieGeek
    @MoultrieGeek 5 лет назад

    Excellent video, definitely do part 2. I really enjoy seeing prototype rally cars of any class.

  • @andregon4366
    @andregon4366 2 года назад +2

    Damn, Lancia truly was something else.
    Would Group S get green light and we might see another epic battle between Lancia and Audi.

  • @Superstocker669
    @Superstocker669 3 года назад +6

    The time Homer Simpson designed a car for Audi....

  • @woopimagpie
    @woopimagpie 5 лет назад

    Excellent work! I learned a few things I didn't know and I'm quite the rally enthusiast, well done. Do part 2!

  • @danimokahal9496
    @danimokahal9496 5 лет назад

    Amazing video, i was bit surprised that you did not mention the triflux engine that lancia developed.

  • @simonalexandercritchley439
    @simonalexandercritchley439 2 года назад

    I am familiar with the ECV1 but had not seen the more rounded ECV2,same for the Ford.Amazing stuff,keep up the good work.

  • @LaFritePerreGoat
    @LaFritePerreGoat 5 лет назад +1

    part two? YES!

  • @sugar4522
    @sugar4522 5 лет назад +1

    Just found you! Brilliant video very informative👍🏻 subbed

  • @luscorpio3679
    @luscorpio3679 Год назад

    I've seen the 405 prototype at the Peugeot museum. Even looking at it, you could imagine how crazy it would have been. The 405T16 was there too

  • @tyleresker3306
    @tyleresker3306 5 лет назад

    I would very much like to see a PT.2 to this, you have earned my subscription brotha

  • @peterdaviesracing
    @peterdaviesracing 5 лет назад +1

    I hadn't noticed that the RX-7 Group S even existed... until I stumbled over pics that also lead me back to rallygroupbshrine :D
    Weird you didn't cover it directly, since it looks as alien to the original RX-7 as do the Gr. S Quattro and the ECV2.

  • @360madfish9
    @360madfish9 5 лет назад +1

    Yes mate, make part 2 👏👍🚗💨

  • @Jeff-kz5kl
    @Jeff-kz5kl 5 лет назад

    Cool! Make part 2!!! Let's see that RX7S!

  • @Mr037rally
    @Mr037rally 3 года назад

    Good video, just a small point the mid-engine quattro shown in the photo with an S1 E2 quattro wasn't a Group S car it was the mid engine Group B car. One of the reasons it was scrapped by the VAG board was that they thought that it was admitting that the front engine quattro concept didn't work and they were afraid it would kill the sales of the 4wd road cars. Also they had already decided to leave rallying so making a brand new rally car was taking the piss, so it was destroyed in front of Ferdinand Piech. The photos are from the article in Motorsport Magazine from the early 2000's about the Group S cars and the single mid-engine Group B car , I have a copy in a box somewhere. The article is available online and is well worth reading. Keep up the good work though mate.

  • @afrobrur2065
    @afrobrur2065 5 лет назад

    Back at it again with a banger of a video!

  • @DjNikGnashers
    @DjNikGnashers 5 лет назад

    Awesome video, with genuine outstanding, interesting, and factual content. Well done sir.

  • @remiracine7172
    @remiracine7172 5 лет назад +2

    Yes do part 2 very interesting

  • @adamkurek7214
    @adamkurek7214 5 лет назад

    The most quality content I've seen in a while, hope you gain the deserved amount of subs 🚗

    • @JackohMotors
      @JackohMotors  5 лет назад +2

      Thanks man! Really appreciate it!

  • @bogfinken
    @bogfinken 5 лет назад

    Great stuff, keep up the good work! Looking forward to part 2

  • @andymb601
    @andymb601 5 лет назад

    Man, your channel is going to get a lot of subscribers in the near future

    • @JackohMotors
      @JackohMotors  5 лет назад

      Thanks for the support! I'm already ecstatic with the growth of the channel over the last month considering I was at 30 subscribers 3 weeks ago ;)

    • @andymb601
      @andymb601 5 лет назад

      @@JackohMotors dude your quality is through the roof! It's like the WhatBass? channel. Good quality and good research = lots of subscribblers. You should make a discord. I think that'd be a good idea

    • @JackohMotors
      @JackohMotors  5 лет назад

      @@andymb601 Yeah, I've had a few comments asking me to make one, I think I will ;)

  • @HasBeensNAddicts
    @HasBeensNAddicts 5 лет назад

    So happy I found your channel. Great content 👍

  • @vitamc1213
    @vitamc1213 5 лет назад +1

    I love these videos, I wonder whether you could do the death of GT1 racing?

  • @GRamerDim
    @GRamerDim Месяц назад

    7:41 so you skip straight over the 222d ? 🤔

  • @Kautz2
    @Kautz2 5 лет назад

    Great Video! Ur channel is very underrated

  • @BassyBoy
    @BassyBoy 5 лет назад +1

    Am I allowed to say I was one of the first when your channel blows up? Love these mini documentaries :)

  • @Hellisoy
    @Hellisoy 5 лет назад +17

    And dont forget the 300 HP limit for the cars.

    • @AnthroGearhead
      @AnthroGearhead 5 лет назад +2

      Its a troll , actually those 300hp rally cars were having over 400hp

    • @liverush24
      @liverush24 5 лет назад +5

      I've got John Davenport's Group B book, where it states that the Group S horsepower was, as you say, to be limited to around 300/350HP. Also the car's silhouettes were to be calmed down, so that they more closely resembled road going cars. So no more massive wings, ect.

    • @AnthroGearhead
      @AnthroGearhead 5 лет назад +3

      Despite that fiery incident , grp B rally cars stayed on till 1991 with lesser power before resignation from the event .

    • @Hellisoy
      @Hellisoy 5 лет назад +3

      @@liverush24 That is a great Book, with fantastic images from McKlein.

    • @liverush24
      @liverush24 5 лет назад +2

      @@Hellisoy Yes it's a lovely book.

  • @slaidk1405
    @slaidk1405 5 лет назад +2

    The video didn’t loaded and I give a Like, continue with this good content

    • @JackohMotors
      @JackohMotors  5 лет назад

      Disgustang No mustang Thank you very much, glad you liked it 😃

  • @andrewwang8204
    @andrewwang8204 5 лет назад +1

    Make more! Need to know about the Group S RX-7

  • @timakimat
    @timakimat 5 лет назад +3

    Btw, it's Hannu Mikkola driving that Audi in Goodwood

  • @mmababy
    @mmababy 5 лет назад +1

    Please do a part 2👍

  • @CharlieFoxtrot06
    @CharlieFoxtrot06 5 лет назад

    I'd love to see a Part 2. Especially interested in the Mazda, but it would be great to see some of the other almost-rans from that insane period of rally.

  • @prorandocopier7945
    @prorandocopier7945 3 года назад +1

    Group S was the aerodynamic monster, with
    *B U B B L E* HEADLIGHTS.

  • @Ogmu.
    @Ogmu. 5 лет назад

    Subscribed, good content, good delivery, keep doing what you're doing

  • @kltsoi5860
    @kltsoi5860 5 лет назад

    Yes part 2 pls, since those are less known for

  • @devxc2789
    @devxc2789 5 лет назад

    Oh yes I was hoping for this.
    Thanks great vid ;) Do more if you can
    @7:21 hahahaha nice :D

  • @Mr037rally
    @Mr037rally 5 лет назад +1

    Excellent video but there is one part that is inaccurate. The mid engined quattro was built as a group B car it was nothing really to do with group S, Dr Roland Gumpert told me the story in Goodwood FoS, it was to show the board of VAG that they couldn't compete against the other teams who were building facing prototypes and they were racing a modified road car.
    Also one of the biggest reasons it was canned was J M Blastre FISA president didn't want the manufacturers to have any real say in rule making etc in the sport. This also wasn't helped by the FIA going against their own rules by banning group B and group S without giving the manufacturers 2 years notice, Peugeot were going to sue and didn't return to rallying for years. BTW Gumpert mentioned that one of the 002 group S cars was missing, and I'm pretty sure he knows we're it is. But fair play mate brilliant video and can't wait for a part 2.

    • @JackohMotors
      @JackohMotors  5 лет назад

      Yeah, I thought the mid-engined quattro was extremely cool and I wanted to talk about it, and I didn't think I'd be able to speak about it at another point, so I bunged it in here. Probably would've helped if I'd remembered to mention it was a Group B prototype and not S.

    • @Mr037rally
      @Mr037rally 5 лет назад

      @@JackohMotors That's the best video on the subject I have ever seen, just finding out bare facts is such an effort, even the FIA archives aren't much help. 😏

  • @ticalh76
    @ticalh76 5 лет назад

    instant sub, part 2 would be lovely!! thanks a lot

  • @bobsmudger3979
    @bobsmudger3979 4 года назад

    Wonderful upload thanks 👍

  • @sportquattro8430
    @sportquattro8430 5 лет назад

    Great vid! What's most interesting...Audi denied the existence of the group s car for almost two decades

  • @rb5stevenumber903
    @rb5stevenumber903 5 лет назад

    I actually saw the vauxhall astra group s rally car on the Audisport rally in Wales in the 80s when group B was coming to and. We were on our way home and noticed the ford service team waiting for the RS200s to arrive, so we stop and waited to watch the service when the fords came in, having enjoyed watching that we were just about to go when the group s vauxhall arrived for service, that's the first and only time I saw a group s car in action.

  • @jonmarshall1502
    @jonmarshall1502 5 лет назад +1

    I’d rather watch these cars screaming through a special stage, than the boring crap the WRC has now. Good video.👍🏻👍🏻

  • @kexcz8276
    @kexcz8276 3 года назад +1

    Where is the Group B video??? :(
    I cant find it anywhere....

    • @JackohMotors
      @JackohMotors  3 года назад

      It was taken down in a copyright claim, I may reupload it eventually without the copyrighted material.

  • @rseasyguidesto
    @rseasyguidesto 3 года назад

    This video is sick man

  • @dirksteffen9375
    @dirksteffen9375 Год назад

    What is the white prototype car at high speed testing, loosing control and exploding in a ball of fire at the beginning of the video and what were the circumstances of that event?

    • @JackohMotors
      @JackohMotors  Год назад

      That's a Ford RS200 piloted by Marc Surer at the 1986 ADAC Hessen Rallye, his co-driver Michel Wyder would be killed in the accident.

  • @dominique21480
    @dominique21480 5 лет назад

    Make a part 2 ! Ur doing some good work!

  • @kieran8881
    @kieran8881 5 лет назад

    good on you for this content brother

  • @DrMurdercock
    @DrMurdercock 5 лет назад

    another top notch video

  • @hepo3544
    @hepo3544 5 лет назад +8

    Jesus and I thought the group B quattro sounded intimidating, this group S version is a horror story. In a good way

  • @yiukdosfg
    @yiukdosfg 5 лет назад

    So interesting. Thank you for this!

  • @CyberCreeper22
    @CyberCreeper22 5 лет назад +1

    petition to include group s in dirt rally

  • @mrg8963
    @mrg8963 8 месяцев назад

    That Peugeot 405 looks awesome

  • @glenntaylor7906
    @glenntaylor7906 4 года назад

    A great informative watch, how technology and times change if you compare the Group B and S cars to current WRC cars of 2020.... however did you say 20 cars for homologation, I always thought this was 200?

    • @JackohMotors
      @JackohMotors  4 года назад +2

      Yeah I made a mistake in the script, its 200 units for the initial homologation and then 20 for any subsequent updates to the model that are entered.

  • @quincygaming9529
    @quincygaming9529 5 лет назад

    I noticed you only mentioned it having turbos. Did they switch to twin turbo for the ECV and ditch the twin charge setup?

    • @JackohMotors
      @JackohMotors  5 лет назад

      Quincy Gaming The ECV used sequential Twin turbos so that the car would work better at lower power ranges. Hoped this helped.

  • @ThatWolfFromHyruleGaming
    @ThatWolfFromHyruleGaming 2 года назад

    Anyone else recognize the Toyota MR2 222D from, say, Top Gear 2 on SNES? The RS200S was also in the first Top Gear without the second wing and a two tone medium blue/gray paint scheme.

  • @haydarfuel
    @haydarfuel 5 лет назад +2

    i'd like to see part 2
    i've never heard of group s before and i would like to see the kadett

  • @farizshj
    @farizshj 5 лет назад

    Great video!

  • @beijingbond
    @beijingbond 2 года назад

    Great video. Thanks.

  • @byrondot
    @byrondot 2 года назад

    My guess about the odd look of the Audi Group S, is that was just a design to cover the chassis while they were doing some tests, and nothing more. On those years, Audi design lenguage was very boxy, and I don't feel that they were developping a car that couldn't be associated with any of their cars on production. As it was a "secret" car even to to audi, it's logic that they tried to do that with that prototype.
    Nice video, and thanks for share it with all us!

  • @TheRenaissanceGuys
    @TheRenaissanceGuys 2 года назад

    Great videos!

  • @metalgt6828
    @metalgt6828 3 года назад

    Where is this Group B video you mention at the beginning? Didn't see it on any of your uploads...

    • @JackohMotors
      @JackohMotors  3 года назад +1

      It was taken down for copyright infringement due to some footage I used, I may reupload a re-edited version eventually.

    • @metalgt6828
      @metalgt6828 3 года назад

      @@JackohMotors sounds good! Thanks!

  • @supersonic1246
    @supersonic1246 3 года назад

    ...Thanx for uploading ... :)

  • @ponyempiresunite9702
    @ponyempiresunite9702 5 лет назад

    I would accept a new group b/s championship. The advancements were massive, like AWD, Carbon Chassis/ Bodies, and a bunch of other stuff like fitting so much power in such a small motor. More advancements would be welcome. Hydrogen v.s. Electric v.s. Gasoline etc. would be interesting to watch.

  • @speedymike3058
    @speedymike3058 5 лет назад

    Keep doing these videos😊👍

  • @The_Big_Jay
    @The_Big_Jay 5 лет назад

    You are *criminally* undersubbed.

  • @alexrimeisis1298
    @alexrimeisis1298 5 лет назад +1

    If group S never got cancelled, we would probably have LMP1 style rally cars by now.

    • @tedt7991
      @tedt7991 5 лет назад +1

      No need to imagine, look up pikes peak hillclimb cars, trailblazers.

  • @manoliswec5674
    @manoliswec5674 5 лет назад +1

    i thought group s were ment to be for road rallying only and if i remember correctly jaguar xjs 220, porsche 959 and ferrari 288 gto manufactured for this reason.