KNIFE SHARPENING TIPS | 2 reasons why you can't get your knife sharp..
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- If you can't seem to get your knife sharp, it might not be because of your technique. There are other factors in knife sharpening, which play an important roll in how sharp a knife can get.
In this video I talk about the importance of knife steel and sharpening stones and some common mistakes beginners make when they first start sharpening. Hopefully this video helps. Be advised I don't go ever EVERY aspect of of knife sharpening in this video. Just some simple tips for the beginner. Thanks!
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OUTDOORS55 the fact that you try to reply at every comment makes you a great youtuber
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I got the Spyder Co Clipitool, the bottle opener version. Do you consider that to be a poor quality steel?
you know you're a knife guy when you have no more hair on your arm to test the knives on
Haha👍😂
When you have to test the edge on the hair of your knuckles or pull up a pant-leg...been there
When you have to test the edge on the hair of your knuckles or pull up a pant-leg...been there
Gienhetzwien absolutely! So true. People ask me all the time what happened to the hair on my arm? I just laugh and say testing my knife.
Just use the three finger sharpness test.
Thanks man--your videos are clear, common sensical and easy to follow. I've been making knives as a hobby for about 25 yrs--but have never learned the knack of sharpening--thanks to your videos --now I have hope. Also, your cutting tests are REAL WORLD tests and give us facts and really useful information that you've learned through personal experience ---you don't just parrot an opinion about a particular steel after looking at its composition.
I am 64 now. My dad used to sharpen our kitchen knives on the type of free standing stone you show in this video. When I got older and on my own I tried to copy him on the same stone he used but was never able to get that angle consistently right. I purchased a system called the Edge-Pro Professional and can now easily get a twenty-one degree angle every time. It's that accurate.
If the knife won't sharpen or won't hold an edge, I know it's not me, It's the knife. In addition, I now sharpen knives for ladies at church, a few bakeries, and butchers and the system I purchased has now paid for itself. So basically, I got it for free and now I don't have to pay someone to sharpen my knives and I can now do it better than any of them ever did.
I give guys that can sharpen a knife free-handed a lot of credit, it's a real skill and talent to be able to do it that way.
I know I'm 6 years late but could you share a link? 😊
@@ismailbadrm9698 "How To Sharpen a Knife - A Step-By-Step Guide For the Beginner"
Sure, here's a RUclips video for you to start with.
_How To Sharpen a Knife - A Step-By-Step Guide For the Beginner_
Your sharpening tips have helped me quite a bit. I have multiple great steel with amazing heat treat knives but never could get them super sharp until I used an old belt to strop and now they shave like a razor. I think technique and the knife matter as well in sharpening. Thanks for tips.
Your absolutely right! Technique does matter greatly but if the blade isn't heat treated properly no amount of technique will help. Glad the stropping is working out for you! Thanks for the comment 😀👍
knives like that Schrade , ur probably just to thin on edge angle for the cheap steel.. this is where FIXED ANGLE sharpeners come in handy .. i could always get ANY piece of metal sharp enough to CUT.. but since i invested in a WICKED EDGE , i get LASER SHARP , BEAUTIFULLY FLAWLESS MIRRORED EDGES .. if u buy CRK , Hinderer , Strider , etc. knives then a QUALITY sharpening system is worth its weight in gold 🤘🏼
'just to thin on edge angle for the cheap steel' - I'd say softer steel. There's also metal fatigue to factor in.
Love this channel. Great advice from a guy that explains things in a very down-to-earth way!
Good points. I've found the 'start with a coarse stone' point most helpful. Lots of sharpening guidance assumes you are just maintaining an edge but there are more cases where the edge is totally lost and needs to be reground. In those cases a super coarse stone is your friend. I have a coarse diamond stone that works great but before that I used 60 or 80 grit sandpaper. Coarse emery paper also works well but it dulls quickly.
Yeah I think most people who are learning have very dull blades. Coarse stones save a lot of work. 🙂
Thank u , because of you I can finally sharpen all my knifes ..... thank u so very much
Awesome! Glad I could help 😀👍
Thank you ! i do have trouble with some 420hc blades and now i have a hope to get them sharp thanks to you sir! ( re-heat threat them all the way down i will)
Straight to the point man- thanks for the tips. Made that mistake myself in using too fine a grit and spending hours getting nowhere. I've always said that a blunt knife is a dangerous knife..... it'll cut YOU very easily but not the job! Thanks again and subscribed of course.
That was very explanatory to me and has taken a lot of the frustration out. I just told my wife this morning that I give-up I've got four or five different ways of sharpening knives and I've got a decent edge on my better knives but the other ones still suck. And I guess they always will.
Thanks for the info, my grandpa gave me the same old timer that you have in the video and I never could put a decent edge on it and now I know what the problem was.
Maybe, I have several, ok, a lot of old timer and uncle Henry knives, they are fantastic . They take and hold an edge perfectly.
It could be the steel itself. Schrade steel has ( before they went to China) a high carbon content, you sharpen them a little differently than stainless. So many people have gotten used to stainless knives they don’t know the proper way to sharpen high carbon.
The instructions that came with the old Schrades explained it.
Glad I found this, I'm going to get a coarse stone I think. I have a 6" Smith's Arkansas stone and ever since my Ontario Rat 2 D2 steel come in I've had no luck sharpening it. I've had it for about 2 weeks now.
I like Arkies and that Smith's is a pretty good cheap stone, but only for softer steels. I tried a folder in 9Cr18MoV on it the other night and the blade just skated around. It cut a little but I gave up trying to raise a burr. For D2 try a Norton Crystolon combo, 120/320.
This was actually a great tip ....I was starting to question my sharpening skills.
Awesome clip bro ,thanks!!!!
Awesome video finally got the hang of stone sharpening.. Been making this mistake all this time I've been trying to sharpen knives..
I've fought with that exact same old timer. Good to know I'm not crazy. Keep up the great vids.
I hear some are great and some are not so great. I have also seem MUCH more expensive knives suffer from a poor heat treating process. Thanks for the comment😀
I'm a complete noob but... if it's a crap knife why not harden it? Worse case you're out a crappy knife
@@chanmang some knives cannot be taken apart, particularly traditional style knives, as they are held together with pins.
in I mean knives you don't really care about anyway. I get the collector value and sentimental thing. Imo if it doesn't work and it's not one of those two it would be better to recycle 🤷♂️
@@chanmang if you tried to heat treat a fully assembled knife it would ruin everything besides the blade.
Good advice. You have really helped me get a razor sharp edge on my kiife.
Very good information. I've been sharpening knives since I was about 12 and your tips are all right on point. Touch is important, as is the pressure you put on the blade during the process. Learned the right way from both my grandfathers (one an inventor, the other an outdoorsman) and the techniques are still the same.
Yes touch is important. Its hard to convey that through video though haha. Thanks for the comment my friend👍
Great video Bub! I like the simplicity!
I'm so glad you said something about the old time I have the shrade with the sheath and catch hell
Another great video from a great instructor!
I’ve got a USA made newer folding Buck knife that I’ve not been able to sharpen. I’m gonna try these techniques and see if they work! Thanks for the tips!
I tried these techniques on all my knives and they work well , I got the best edge on my knifes that they have every had
I have asked few quiestions before on this channel, and I got a strop, got few knives hair-shaving, other knives just dont wanna be sharp
This helps a lot
Yeah it all depends on the manufacturers quality control in how they heat treat or on the steel quality. I can't live without my strops haha. Glad it's working out for you😀👍
Great info as always! I think this is where I need to start...
Thanks for sharing the info... and congrats on up coming 10K :D
Thanks for watching my friend! Can't believe 10k happened so fast. Thanks for the kind words 👍😀
Years ago I got a simple sharpening guide that I thought was a joke, until I tried it. Works realy well. I can put a shaving edge on a penny. No lie it wont hold it of course but I can get that tight a profile.
Really like the fact that you bring up the quality of steel being sharpened, so many videos on this subject mislead people into believing that you can get a razor edge on some cheap low grade metal and the only thing that matters is technique. The Spyderco Tenacious is a great knife at a really good price point, I have been using that blade for a year and a half and only occasionally have to hone it.
Any knife can be sharpened razor sharp, idc what kind of steel it is, I've been sharpening knives since I was 7 years old. Once I got good, I've never come across a knife that I couldn't get to shave hair. It's definitely the person that's doing the sharpening, not the knife
You made perfect sense thanks!
Thanks for the video. Useful as all the time. It really helps me!
Awesome! Thanks for watching 😀
Congrats on 10K Alex! Excellent info.as always
Thanks Justin! 😀
GREAT information thank you for telling me about the heat treat because I have a kitchen knife that I just can't get an edge on it
Cheap steel and a bad heat treatment can be a super pain to sharpen. Not saying it can't be done but can be super difficult. Thanks for watching 😀
A good example of an exception the your clue about what is a good knife coming sharp from the factory. Benchmade. They have had good steel with great heat treats, but at times came with less than stellar edges.
Enjoyed your content. Plain and simple. Thanks for the video.
Thanks Andrew😀
This was actually really useful. Im just getting into freehand sharpening and I was trying to use a really shitty junk knife just to practice with but I couldn't get the edge to form a burr. I examined the edge and could clearly see that the scratch pattern went all the way to the edge but I just could not for the life of me get it to apex. After watching this I decided to bite the bullet and give it a shot on my chef knife. Sure enough I got that blade to apex. After two stones and a strop I got it to pop a couple hairs but not quite actually shaving. Need more practice.
How is your sharpening skills now? Just wondering. 💪
Another great video!
Thanks my friend 😀
1000% agreed on the Schrade! I've got almost an identical one to yours and it just will not get sharp. I know it's not technique because i can get most blades to easily "pop" hair off my arm.
Probably the worst offender in this category is the blade on my leatherman wave. I finally took it out and just ground a new bevel on the bench grinder with that one...
I have 30 plus years and can shafpen almost anything...and your videos have been very helpful. Explained muh of what I already knew in way the helped me understand. Thank you.
Thanks for watching my friend 😀👍
Dude! There is more info and detail to instruction in this Vid on sharpening technique then any other Vid I’ve seen so far! And I know how to sharpen my tools’ very good job on showing the basic things that can be done with minimal stones’ also shows that you don’t need Japanese water stones costing a whole paycheck to get that edge you need’ SUBSCRIBED!
I have one knife that I can't sharpen and it's driving me crazy. It came pretty dull when I bought it and it is the only knife I have that I can't get sharp. And I always wondered why I can't get it sharp. And this may be why thanks for telling me this.
Another excellent video with great information. Early on, I figured out, thanks to one of your videos, that I was destroying my good edge on the strop by using the same angle I sharpened at. The thickness of the leather allowed my blade to sink in a bit and it quickly rounded off my nice edge. So, by holding it at a lower angle on the strop, I can now shave with it. Thank you for all of the excellent information.
Awesome! It can definitely be easy to round off a nice crisp edge on a strop. I still do it from time to time haha. Glad I could help😀
HEY GUY THAT WAS GOOD COMMON SENSE ADVICE. TY
Actually great video! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching 😀👍
I have two of the schrades that you tour as having bad heat treatments. Granted they are about 20 years old but they have both been my go to hunting knives all these years. They have always took and kept the best edge I ever had. My hunting buddies always are stunned when they see my knife cutting hairs in half rather than pushing them aside while gutting deer. I have gutted 5 deervin a day without resharpening it. And that includes chopping through the pelvic bone on all of them. Every maker I am sure let's knives get though quality control at times. I usually don't comment but felt the need to say that the old timers I have are superb !
Yep! I've heard of $200 knives that have slipped through the cracks with a terrible heat treatment. There's just something wrong with this particular one. Thanks for the comment 👍
Thanks much for sharing this great video with us!! Very good points for sure!! I just subscribed and look forward to seeing all your videos blessings 😇
Thanks for the sub! I really appreciate you taking the time to comment! Happy New Years my friend 😀
Apex on the coarse: Good advice. To which I would add apex on X-tra coarse dial-sharp diamond hones: They mellow out and most importantly they stay flat. Also run the edge somewhat lengthwise to avoid rocking, then sideways, very lightly, once or twice at higher angle, to break off the burr on finer grit.
Great video. Im just starting out sharpening knives so havemt got much of a clue. Is the goal to create a burr on one side then create a burr on the other side then go to a higher grit and do the same u till its sharp enough?
Thank you!!
Loved the video. Answered my question.
Thanks for watching!
most excellent information my friend! great video as always!
Thanks Rick!
Subbed ya dude, great info!!!👍👍👍😃
Really enjoy your video and channel! Do you have much experience with diamond plate sharpening or higher quality steels like s30v and s90v by chance?
Great info !
Thanks John😀
I'm always missing that last bit of sharpness when sharpening freehand. Whenever I switch over to the Sharpmaker it needs a maximum of 5pps to give me a hair-popping edge. What could be the reason for this? I sharpen edge-leading. When the edge doesn't reflect light anymore, I start doing alternating passes with maybe 1-2° lifted angle.
Great video I would also add is as far as ruining a $40 knife or so consider buying a buck or Kershaw for this experience both will replace a blade in any of their knives for about $25 or less benchmade will do the same I think The blade replacement is about 30 i’ve done it myself learning
Interesting, I didn't know that. Thanks for the info 👍
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Thanks, the video is helpful.
This explains a lot thank you! Lol, I have my tenacious and can keep it really sharp. Even my cheap old timer folder is hair shaving sharp. But my crkt...oh.... Man... I got so mad I re-did the bevel. Started on a 80 grit then worked all the way to a 2000. When I was finished I had an awesome mirror polish, went to try the paper test and I think it's duller than it was when I started lmaooo.
Haha yeah I've experienced the same thing. The knife manufacturers quality control is super important. Even a $7 knife is capable of getting shaving sharp with a good heat treat. How well it holds that edge is a different story lol.
That's because it's a crap blade and you aren't being consistent with your angle. Also people have a bad habit when they near the end of their sharpening stroke as they lift the blade off the stone they actually roll up onto their edge effectively wiping the burr they just created right off the blade. When you lift the blade off the stone roll the blade towards the spine of the knife lifting the edge clear of the stone so you dont kill the edge you just put on it.
Ohh finally! Some crkt owners! I have M16 and maaan it's so frustrating. You can spend hours at any angle, unlimited time, on the knife and never ever in life it gets sharp! I know exactly what you mean!! Did it last night again and nothing. Sooo frustrating! Has to be the knife for sure! My Makarov is shaving sharp only a few strokes on the strop and it's back in business again but this CRKT is crap! Thinking to get spyderco, most collectable knife there is!
Great tips for beginners! Good job brother!
Thanks for watching!
I have a Old Timer just like yours and I can shave with it. Must of had a good heat treat. I have sharpened it many times and it’s great.
Yep I've had a knife or two that just wouldn't sharp up. Thank you for going over this issue. Basically its crappy steel.
Cheers for that. I've certainly had the experience with some knives that every time I've got to the point of a decent apex on the blade the edge has rolled over - I thought it was just me doing it wrong.
Awesome info,great video dude
Thanks for watching 😀
Could you do a video on sharpening serrated knives? Thanks for the great work, you have excellent content and the entertainment factor is a cherry on top. Cheers!
Thanks for your video! my friend had been sharpening his knife for an hour now to no avail. Its not sharp at all. Poor heat treatment i believe is the culprit.
Solid advise. Thanks bro
Thanks for watching👍😀
Mark the knife secondary bevel with a Sharpie type marker so you can see if you are removing steel up to the very edge and also keeping the right angle. Check for improper heat treat by seeing how much a fine file will scratch or cut it. Use a piece of unhardened steel as a baseline.
Good explanation of crap steel. I recently got a fillet knife from my boss who wanted me to sharpen it but I couldn't get it sharp.
I gave it a really toothy edge and that's the "sharpest" I could get it.
I told him don't expect much from this it's probably gonna dull as soon it touches something. He gave me a buck knife with that filet knife too and it was a noticeable difference between the two steels. The buck although cheap actually was heat treated properly and took a keen edge.
Yeah I've experienced the same myself. Even heard of some super steel knives with poor heat treat that couldn't be sharpened even on an edge pro. Lucky spyderco admitted it was poor heat treat and replaced the knife. Thanks for the comment 👍
Thanks for your videos. It gives me motivation to try my Buck Woodsman again one day. It has never been sharp in its life. I can sharpen my kitchen knives so they slice through atoms, but that Buck can only cut through warm butter.
Thanks for watching my friend 😀 Good luck with the buck!
I have a puma white hunter and from 1978 i was always a bit scared to go at it because I was so expensive and a recurve only in the last couple of years have I been able to sharpen it properly for shaving thanks to your advice
I had some knives I wouldn't even use in the beginning because I didn't want to dull them, and then have to sharpen them haha. I know exactly what you mean😀
I just came across your channel and wanted to ask if you have any tips for starting out a small knife sharpening side job. I just started last week from using my great uncles Norton sharpening stone and oil. I've been very busy already any info helps. Thank you!
I can’t believe it, I totally have an Old Timer knife, and wondered why it wasn’t working as well as day 1!... Thanks for the explanation, probably time to invest in something better! 🤙🏼😂
I had an old timer as a youngster and paying a reasonable price for it could not understand what was wrong. Later got a buck 110 but was afraid to try to sharpen it, for fear of the same end result. Some things have changed for the better. Am a big s35 vn fan as it stays sharp and is easy to resharpen.
Alex - love your videos, thank you so much for sharing! I have a question - I am sharpening a Cold Steel Carbon V folder and can’t seem to get it any better than taking off a few hairs with a bit of effort. I have sharpened using the Gatco system as well as done it free hand following your advice, and it just won’t get that shaving edge. I know of two times that I did get it in the distant past, but am having no luck now. Any thoughts or tips? Thank you again!
Are you using a strop?
thank you for the tips
Thanks for watching 😀
Good video. I have the spyderco tenacious. It was scary sharp when I got it. I can get a good edge on it but not like the factory edge. Thanks for sharing..
You video was very good and informative. One thing I would add and is a problem I have found over the years. Is that some knives are just to hard for the stones someone may be using. I have had gatco and lanski kits that the stones just were not strong enough to handle and put an edge on certain knife brands. Because the steel is stronger than the stones.
Yeah that can be true in some situations. Especially considering all the so called "super steels" out there now. Thanks for the comment 👍
Now I know. I have a moderate priced kitchen knife that I just can't get sharp. Now I know that the type/quality of its steel, and/or heat treat, may, is, the cause.
Thanks.
this is the answer, thanks bro.
my knife cant even cut any fur with 2000 grit
Good tips! Most people don't take into account the quality or tempering of the steel itself! Good informative video bud. Good work.
Thanks!😀
What are your thoughts on the spyderco delica 4? and vg10 vs zdp189? I have a zdp 189 that came crazy sharp, after accidently scraping it against concrete i noticed i messed up the edge and decided to take my worksharp to it. I was never able to get it shaving sharp again. I now have a diamond DMT Diafold Course / Fine sharpening tool. I was trying to reflatten the sides of my concave edge and got it shaving sharp again but after using a wet stone 1000/4000 to get it smoothed up I must have dulled it again. It is still pretty sharp and cuts paper and anything else just fine, edge retention is wonderful, but it won't shave super easy like it did when i had it brand new. It's driving me nuts but i don't want to keep grinding away this zdp steel just for that ONE thing when everything I do use it for it does just fine with the edge i was able to get. Help.
Good video and sound' !
Thanks😀
all this talk about old timers..made me go and find mine. in 1970s friend owed me 10 bucks ... ln trade...,gave me a old timer sheath knife 6" 150t schrade-walden ny usa 1/2 " broken tip...fixed it up ,had it ever since.. sharp,holds edge,easy to sharpen..rusts,must be carbon steel.. not a fancy yupie flatlander knife.... but to me it is a quality cutting tool....a keeper for sure....good job on your video
Yes sir i hear that!!! I too have one of these folding old timer locking knives passed down from my father. Gotta be from the late 60's early 70's and yup she is likely carbon. Still takes a hair shaving edge and its gonna be passed on to my children someday😉😉 they dont make em like they used to!!!!
My old Schrade Buck knife also I could never get super sharp. Thanks for the tips.
Great content.
Thanks!
Another excellent video! For a beginner would you recommend buying a strop or trying to DIY it? Do the manufactured ones offer any advantages?
It really depends on your budget.. diy will save some money but only about $15. The knives plus stropblock i think is only $24. It also lasts for a long time. I think diy is good if you really don't have an extra $15, or you don't have access to a good strop manufacturer (some people don't, so I've heard). Buying one takes all the guess work out of finding the correct compound as well. Honestly, at some point, you'll end up with both😉
what do you think about s30v? i could never get my benchmade 940 sharp. im decent at sharpening a blade.
So funny. I'm trying to sharpen this lock blade knife I have which has always been not as sharp as its brother. In frustration I asked you tube what I'm doing wrong and your videos as the first video I found. Your example of a bad knife.... the exact knife I'm trying to get sharper. Schrade Old Timer with 7 OT on the Blade.
I have a Schrade OldTimer skinning knife that is way sharper and holds a nice edge. I figured since both were Schrade, I'd be able to get both just as sharp. Thanks for your video. I'll just accept this is how it will be.
Awesome tips for beginners.
This helped a lot. I tried to sharpen a 440 Stainless knife I got at a flea market. I even used a sharpie to make sure I wasnt messing up the angle. No grit and no amount of time gave it a sharp edge whatsoever. Shoot even on cource I had a hard time even getting a burr. I am thinking now it must just have been a poorly heat treated knife. Looks like online its some nobody chinese company and they sell for $13.
It's you, not the knife. Any knife will sharpen to razor sharp. I can sharpen butter knives razor sharp and they're not heat treated at all
I have a CRKT Ruger Hollow Point in 8crmov14 that I could put a wicked sharp edge on but recently I haven't been able to get my usual edge back on so I'm just confused. Is it possible I've lost my technique or have I just used the knife to much?
Good video. I have multiple stones and I also hone straight razors. My left arm is bald as well as my right shin.
Thanks Alex, good video for beginner knife sharpening. I agree, good steel with GOOD Heat Treat is key. So so steel with good heat treat is also okay. The stone being toooooooo fine to easily get to a burr, good point. I do have one of those hardware store stones. Not sure I would put a nice knife on it but point taken. I am sort of a beginner in the sence I have been using a Spyderco Sharpmaker and other similar sharpening devices and finishing on a good strop. That said I don't want to be limited to that sort of thing. Starting to learn to use bench stones and know I am basically starting over. Will take your advice & start with one of my least favorite (read less expen$ive) knives and a coarser stone. I am new to your channel but will continue watching. Thanks
The Schrade knife in your video is an Old Timer 6OT. The Schrade + steel was 440A stainless. I actually prefer the 1095HC carbon steel in both of my Schrade USA 7OT's
I loved the video ty
Good shit bro, the new jdavis without the douchieness.
Jdavis! I forgot about that guy. Wonder if he's still has his channel. I don't ever remember thinking he was a douch though haha. Thanks for the comment my friend 👍
In the past you recommended a DMT 325 and a couple of strops as a sharpening toolkit. Is this still a good starting point for a do it all kit, or is there something else you would recommend?
Appreciate it!
I own that exact old timer. I got a shaving edge on it. With a Worksharp Presision adjust.
Nice vid as ever ;)
Thanks my friend 😀
Great video! I have a bunch of stones that were given to me. I don't know how to tell if they are water or oil stones. how do I figure that out?