Impressive. Not just the watch, but the quality of the review. This is a review. No one is shouting at me or telling me what the watch is or isn’t. Thank you.
Jack is the best in the business. His articles on Hodinkee website are always top notch. Especially when it comes to Grand Seiko. You can really feel his passion and he has a way with words.
@@SS-bk2zb Too bad he doesn't understand electronics, crystals or accuracy. The frequency of the crystal doesn't determine the accuracy, how the electronics control the crystal does. Watches require LESS temperature compensation because they are worn on the wrist which has a relatively small temperature deviation. Also will this watch be as accurate if it it stored upside down? That's right, the position of the crystal affects its frequency. Crystals also age and their frequency changes over time so this watch won't be as accurate as it is now in 5 years. The reason watch companies today are making more accurate watches has very little to do with the manufacturer and more to do with the advancement in crystal technology which is needed for applications like GPS. An 8 Meg crystal oscillator could not have been made for a watch ten years ago. The reason is that as frequency goes up current draw goes up. So making a $16k watch today, well, it's not such a big feat but the advertising is good and many of the people talking about the technology aren't techies like this reviewer but I'd be happy to debate him if he thinks I'm wrong. How many of you know why the standard watch crystal is 32,768 (he's wrong again, it's not "exactly" if it were the watch would be zero seconds a year off - for - ever). It's because 32,768 is 2^15 which makes dividing down to one second easier for the electronic circuits in the watch. It's not smoke and mirrors it's basic electronic engineering, guys work everyday with these parameters.
Rare these days, isn't it? Most of the reviews or so called features you'll come across are closer to rants than anything else. This is one of the few reviews/features that leaves you with something learned
LOL!? I don't care how accurate this watch is? There is no way I'm paying that price for a quartz movement. I'll buy a Grand Seiko or a Rolex Explorer II for less. 😂🤑
@@davenolan5709 grand seiko has three kind of movement: automatic, quartz with a battery, and a hybrid called spring drive. The spring drive just remove the issues related with the battery, such as leaking when the lifetime is over, has precision of the quartz, and the smoothest second hand ever witht the electromagnetic brake when the second hand spin to fast, however it has a little part of elettronic component.
The Bulova Precisionist UHF sweeps at 16 beats per second which is smoother than the highest beat automatic and no tick is visible so the issue of hitting the second markers is a non issue.
Its a very western-chauvinistic view. They are huge in Japan and their high end watches do extremely well in that market. They aren't well known because they don't really market their high end quartz outside of Japan and a few other East-Asian markets because there is no real demand for them (especially at high end prices) in the west. There is minimal demand or respect for high accuracy quartz in the west, the technology exists within the Swiss pantheon but is currently looked down on by both watchmakers and consumers. High accuracy quartz technologies have either been essentially wholly abandoned (e.g. CEH movements that were used by the likes of Rolex, Omega and Patek in the 70s and 80s) or been relegated to entry level watches (e.g. ETA's thermoline movements). Punctuality is much more important in Japanese culture and, at least in part due to this, high accuracy watches have much more respect and a much larger market share - when compared to the west where the obsession at the high end is with mechanical movements. Citizen dominates this part of the market, as whilst Seiko also makes high accuracy quartz they are more focused on combining quartz accuracy with mechanical movements (spring drive) than thermocompression. Going purely by income as stand-in for recognition, Citizen is actually well ahead of Seiko in terms of revenue and income.
@@SC-lo5ez I have seen an AT with obviously misaligned second hands though. But they better be (and I assume they are) willing to fix it asap for anyone getting a seamaster like that.
Grand Seiko are not always spot on. Trust me. And too early to tell if this movement will consistently be constructed so either. However, it is an encouraging sign they bent the seconds hand to emphasize how precisely it lands on each mark. That is showing confidence. But will they be consistently manufactured that way long term?
Citizen is totally underrated. Their passion and achievement on quartz movement should be recognized as those on automatic movement led by swiss watchmakers
Swiss watchmakers are a con still flogging mechanical watches and battery powered quartz watches when solar powered quartz watches should be the de facto standard.
The issue is that they put their fantastic movements in completely meh watches, Seiko realised that to get people to spend big money on watches you need more than just accuracy, you need beauty, finishing, and actual luxury, hence the creation of Grand Seiko and Credor. Your average punter is not going to spend this sort of money on a Citizen, they need a luxury brand, their own Grand Seiko.
@@Jabber-ig3iw Maybe this is for the person that really wants an understated watch. One that people wouldn't even steal when robbed on the street, but that is at the same time very special indeed. I do agree though that I don't see why you would want this over a spring drive, which offers quite amazing accuracy (compared to mechanical) and the smoothness is great. I still would probably get one from Seiko instead of GS, except their spring drive collection doesn't contain anything like these Citizen watches.
@@Eikenhorst I agree too. One thing that a lot of other brands have is variety. Want a GS spring drive? They've got visible patterns, understated ones, and even plain watches with that movement. Want a Casio with a digital dial? You can have it as a rectangle, a circle, some big, some small, some rugged, some clean. These companies and many others offer a variety of designs for the same movements/functions. Citizen should def keep this watch design, but they should also add other designs with this same movement! A look for every kind of watch enthusiast, but with the same incredibly accurate quartz movement that hits the second markers bang on every single time.
A lot of people don't understand the point here. Citizen is saying we built a watch that is so precise that it doesn't need to sync to an external source to be extremely accurate.
TheKingPhisher If I don’t understand the point then I guess the watch is not worth it. I have a watch just as accurate with external source correction....I don’t want to be pay $16000 more for something with the same accurate result
@@realitykicksin8755 A watch that synchs with a radio source like the casio's is extremely accurate but is only projecting external accuracy. Some people find interesting/pleasureable that the watch itself is accurate. At the end of the day watches have become essentially outdated/useless since everyone has a phone that is always synched so buying a watch these days is about what you find interesting/you think looks good.
@@BitmapFrogs No. Wristwatches are far from "useless". They are arguably the most efficient tool for telling time. Far more ergonomic than a cellphone. A wristwatch does one thing, and does it well. A smart phone does many things, but none of them are done efficiently. When a smart phone runs out of power it is as useful as a brick. A solar powered wristwatch never runs out of power, and has a service interval of 10-20 years. A cellphone becomes obsolete within 4 years.
At the end of the day, a watch is meant to tell and keep time. It's doesn't matter if your watch cost thousands of dollars if it isn't very accurate. Kudos to Citizen for their continued innovation and the pursuit of accuracy in time keeping.
@S I sync my watches to an internet time signal, which is itself based on an atomic clock. I then use this to measure how much they lose or gain per day. With that I have started to notice just how inaccurate "Accurate" methods people usually use to tell the time are. For instance the clock on your PC using a signal from the internet, is usually not displaying the correct time, when compared to various time signals based on atomic clocks you will notice that it is behind. Phones work on this basis too, and I can tell you that I place more faith in my quartz watches synced to a time signal than I do to any PC/Phone based clock. I am even lucky enough to have a chronometer certified watch, and let me tell you, when I set that and keep it wound I can come back to it pretty much a week later and it will still barely be ahead of the time signal I synced it to whereas the phone signal is still an entire minute or so behind. You cannot sync a phone because they run on a time signal udate/sync schedule set by the manufacturer and it will not be entirely accurate. Don't knock watches, My F-91W is more accurate than most of my mechanicals but my chrono cert watch gives it a run for its money. My other casio Quartzes are much more accurate than the F91-W. The Accuracy is out there, and chronometer certifications are a thing that exist.
@@Jabber-ig3iw First time? I do high end guitars and in "fairness", a LOT of people cant justify buying $20 glasses, $15 watches etc etc guitar over $100. On our hand though (no pun intended), do you see Ferrari drivers go out of their way to insult Honda Accord drivers to their face ?
@Temple of Ridicule I'm a realist, and I know about life. But you seem like nothing but a whiny little prick who enjoys to step on each and everyone's toes just to confirm to yourself by their reactions that every one else is a prick. Full disclaimer: I'm not a fan of Hodinkee. At all. But the way you tried to discredit the poster of the genuine comment above is not the way to bring your point across. Other than that, the Citizen watch this video is about doesn't get enough coverage for how great it is an engineering accomplishment.
@Temple of Ridicule don't know you but i like you.....you'd be a great person to take on all the self righteous sanctimonious wankers out there that i hate. I'd just punch them but you'd just take them apart verbally with microscopic surgical precision..THEN I'D PUNCH THEM.
Amazing engineering. I am always fascinated and excited by Citizen's relatively quiet pursuit of perfection. Their work with titanium and innovative scratch resistant coatings is a rabbit hole unto itself.
Love the titanium carbide coating on my BN0200. It seems like it basicly doesn't scratch, or if it does, the satin-ish finish makes hairlines near-invisible.
If we look at horological achievements in accuracy as something of primary importance ( which is how all the greats in the field approached and approach it to this day) then this really is one of the most worthy, fascinating and important advancements in the field made in many many decades. Thankfully there are lower priced models in steel to be had, some will still Balk at the cost but for those who love innovation in this hobby this has to be near the top of a purchase list I feel. Wonderful report Jack, oh and the black strap with cream dial has given me an idea for my GS with cream dial!
Incredible stuff. The cinematography in this video is top-tier. Everything from the incredible macro work to the sound design behind it. The video matches the watch itself so well!
John Blackwood there are diffrent levels of quartz watches just like with automatic ones. You can't compare a Swatch Quartz movement to the Citizen 0100, just like you can't compare a 4r35 movement from Seiko with a perpetual calendar movement from Patek
Cédric Conter On the top off what? Accuracy? No. Innovation? No. Price? No even that, although that is easy to achieve. Quality? No. Finish? Not AP for sure, Lange on the other hand ... Why is a PP so ridiculously expensive? Because it is “luxury” or is it “luxury” because it is expensive? And believe me, I own 2, PP movements are pretty crappy. This Citizen, for the price of 1/3 of a PP, really is on the top - no discussion or interpretation possible.
PINK DIAMOND i like them both equally! I agree for $16,800, I’d rather get 2-3 GS or Rolex or both and still have enough left over for ice cream to enjoy as I stare at the nice collection of GS and rolex.
Spot on indeed but what I did notice is that the minutes hand isn’t in sync with the seconds hand. I expect the minutes hand to be exactly in between two markers when the seconds hand is at 30 seconds, which it isn’t. For example at 4:39. Maybe only a simple manual adjustment is needed but that’s something I would have payed extra attention to especially when filming.
@@ChrisMisc1No, you probably don't understand what I meant. Probably because of how I tried to explain. What I mean is that at for example 12:00:00 all hands are on the 12. When it's 12:00:15 the seconds hand is at 3 and the minutes hand should be at 1/4 of the distance from the 12 to the 1. At 12:00:30 the minutes hand should be exactly in between the 12 and the 1 and so forth. I noticed this not to be the case.
I wonder what you'd think of the Jaeger-LeCoultre Geophysic True Second -- /watch?v=17fOFcGrb7A Or the A. Lange & Sohne Richard Lange Jumping Seconds -- /watch?v=M_YQLwkOEg4 Hopefully the Citizen 'Caliber 0100' can be used in more affordable models (besides the limited $7,400 titanium models) Though the more affordable Longines VHP (with ±5 seconds per year accuracy) might attract High Accuracy Quartz enthusiasts.
Two words: AMAZING REVIEW. The shots, the music, the text, the narration, the idea, the story told. Everything. And you got me excited and wanting this quartz watch. Not sure that was even your point, and that’s truly amazing...
The way that second hand hits every single marker on the dial is sooo satisfying... even more impressive than a GS 9F IMO. No backlash whatsoever and the hand is only ticking once every second this time, not twice like the GS. Remarkable piece but also very expensive... I think the Citizen Chronomaster line up offers the same feeling of high accuracy quartz at a way more affordable price... Unfortunately we hardly ever see any reviews of Chronomaster Watches on youtube...
Technically that's pretty low. Even a cheap arduino uses a 16Mhz crystal which is double. Let alone a modern cpu which runs at let's say 3Ghz (3 billion times a second)
I'm a total mechanical watch guy - all but one of the watches I wear run on springs 🙂BUT: Quartz watches start to get my attention at +/- 10 Sec/Year and better. I just love precision. That one watch of mine that doesn't run on springs is a Citizen Chronomaster at +/- 5 Sec/Year, with a jumping hour hand and a perpetual calendar that rolls forward and backward when I'm changing time zones. It's brilliant, and it's the one I wear while travelling. It's been running about +3 Sec/Year over the last few years, well within spec. I wear happily it along with my Rolex and Breguet watches. This model reaaallly floats my quartz boat. Unfortunately, Citizen doesn't seem to want to make this this watch available for sale. Pity.
There's something very honest and elegant about this watch. I _could_ afford it but it's a lot of money and I do have a Submariner (which gains about 30 seconds a month). It's 38 years old and I'll probably hang onto it. If it got lost, I'd seriously consider this Citizen but a nagging question in the back of my mind would be "Will it last at least 38 years"? For me, quality, reliability, engineering excellence and elegance are paramount. Absolute accuracy is not the reason I buy a watch but the extreme accuracy of this Citizen reflects the manufacturer's attention to detail. This watch is is groundbreaking and understated. If you got held up at gunpoint, the robber would probably not bother stealing the watch. There's a delightful poignancy in such a scenario.
This is why the Swiss stopped having accuracy contests. They picked up their marbles and went home in tears, back in the 60s, when the Japanese overtook them.
@@MontypPJ It was long time ago in 1974 ... and nothing since then. We are in 2019 now ... so get a good time perspective. Well Egyptian 4000 years ago had a Sun watch and it was very accurate :)
@@MontypPJ The problem was that a chronometer with a precision in the range of few seconds per year is not really useful if the battery don't even last one year and in the 70s battery technology was way behind. In any case Roger Smith has one and in one short video he, who is clearly biased toward mechanical watches, describes it as a "technical marvel"...or something like that.
that really is a simple looking thing of great beauty , hiding an incredible level of engineering , looking so so sleek. be glad it does not say Patek on the dial or 50k would be the price tag , and a ten year waiting list. Stunning photography too , really great review in both style and content.
I have two Citizen watches, a Chronograph Eco-Drive and a Promaster Eco-Drive Marine. Both are beautiful watches, and both are accurate to four seconds a month. That is less than one minute a year!. A truly remarkable watch that should get far more attention.
What you want is good thermal coupling between the quartz crystal and your wrist - ie, the temperature of the quartz crystal is determined by your body temperature. I had a Timex running watch that was amazingly accurate - the top was plastic with low conductivity and the back was metal. Good review - I have a Citizen watch and have been very happy with it.
As a huge Seiko fan, I must still say that Seiko is behind Citizen when it comes to extremely precise and accurate timekeeping, especially in regards to being able to independently move the hour hand to preserve the time. This is without mention of the Caliber 0100 including solar power in its thin frame. Seiko's stretch to the ±5s/y category is not comparable to the ±1s/y mark, from an engineering and production perspective. Citizen stands essentially unchallenged in this field.
@@SilencedMi5 I have a Grand Seiko quartz, which seems to be accurate to 1or 2 seconds per year. It's going in the bin and I'm getting this Citizen! Just kidding, the Grand Seiko has much better looks.
Great vid. I never thought I'd have a place in my heart for quartz watches again, but here I am back, almost full circle. Had a bad experience with the servicing of my 16253 last year, had to turn around and send it straight back to RSC. I've been without it for almost 10 months now, and my frustration over it got me to thinking about quartz again. I'm currently collecting 1970s Seikos and enjoying it immensely. Just snagged another, 9943 earlier this month. I haven't given up on mechanical movements, but I'm beyond my, “It's gotta be mechanical” phase.
I respect the hell out of this watch. But if this watch said Rolex at the same price tag, fanboys would be creaming in their pants over this. No love for Citizen, even though Eco Drive is fantastic technology.
As I was watching the review I started thinking, "What an impressive movement in a quartz I would really like to own one of those".... then I started searching the citizen site for one and found nothing there... so I searched for the caliber/reference number and it came up immediately... Let me say the price tag hit me like a ton of bricks!! WOW.. I guess I should have watched the rest of the review before searching because I was not aware you would be posting the price! Loved the review. Not sure if a quartz movement watch is worth 16k but, if your a collector of rare watches than I can see it. Also, being that it is so accurate maybe it is... Great review. New sub...
I'm into mechanicals, I only have two quartz pieces., A Citizen Eco-drive solar chrono in titanium. It's my beater, weighs 63 g on its rubber band and titanium buckle. And a Seiko Arctura Kinetic auto-relay with four years power reserve from its capacitor, although it won't retain its charge anymore (15 yrs old). I must say I am very intrigued by this new Citizen cal. PM is not for me, but in a steel case I would definitely want to have a closer look at it. I like dress watches, own a few. I love this dial, the way the hands are precisely placed, the extreme accuracy and the understated look yet packing groundbreaking tech, What a very seductive blend of attributes.
great video, but if you really want accuracy you can get a multiband radio-controlled watch, or gps controlled one, which some gshocks have. no need to ever adjust the time for DST etc. oh and they cost a fraction of the price and have 200m water resist :)
High end watch collectors: I own 3 Swiss quartz watches. I love them! Low end watch collectors: I would never ever own a quartz watch. I’d buy a seiko SKX before owning a quartz watch LOL!
Very nice voice over work. I love the slight nasal quality, it brings confidence and comfort. I liken it to the genius of Jonny Ive at Apple, without the British slant. Keep up the great work.
@@WatchTheHands A Chronomaster is still hella expensive. Hopefully they'll put the old Chronomaster caliber in something «even more reasonably priced» 😉😆
Beautiful Elegant Time Piece! $16,800.00 ? I like it but I have several “atomic Watches” That adjust themselves to the National Clock System. Plus, have timers, Chronographs and more for a lot less money!
Just switched from a Seiko Tuna SBBN031 to a Citizen BN2021-03E, My $500 Citizen is perfectly alligned like this and it's pure satisfaction. Citizen is underrated :)
nice watch, but I prefer the solar powered watches that are calibrated daily by the WWV time signal- set the zone and the clock corrects itself giving you the most up to date accurate time based on the atomic clock. You never have to adjust it for DST/Standard time and these watches have perpetual calendar so you never have to adjust it if the month has 30 days only- Casio makes a whole line of these wonderful watches.
I agree, amazing price for such a great watch. I’m so happy Longines have brought back their high accuracy movements and at really bargain prices. I would have one of those over the more expensive mechanical version any day as those autos are pretty vanilla in comparison.
I too agree. I wish more h.a.q. watches would be released around or below this pricepoint. Sadly, I can't stand the look of the Conquest. If they release the same calibre in a better looking watch I would probably get it.
@@TheCometHunter Not much point in comparing it to an RC controlled watch. It's still a 15s/month watch with the ability to display another watch's time that is accurate to (1/100000)s/year. Which is a cool technology in its own. But h.a.q. watches are all about autonomous accuracy and the fascination with how the movement produces it.
There are other ways to keep a watch accurate. One of the older ways is to have a radio receiver in the watch that synchronizes with NIST signals from Boulder, CO or signals in other countries. A step further is to have watches synchronized with the GPS system which works much more smoothly. Those watches still have the 32768 crystal in them, so they would lose accuracy without the time sync. Bulova puts out the Precisionist which has a quartz crystal oscillating at 262144, another power of 2 raised to the 18th (2^18). Th watch can be synchronized by eye using your cellphone GPS clock and it will stay accurate for quite a while. The watch demonstrated here is 2^ 23 which maintains more accuracy at 8,388,608. All crystal watches that I know of run with a time reference which is a power of two, which is easy to divide by two many times with digital circuitry. The national time reference at Boulder, CO is based on the oscillations of the energy levels of electrons in the Cesium atoms and the time is extracted in a different way. It is remarkable that this watch reference is close in frequency to the Cesium clocks in NIST (WWVB) signals and the same Cesium clocks used in the GPS satellites, Watches are getting better and better. I would like to see a watch with this frequency of 8388144 also have a GPS time synch. I think the prices of these watches will come down. This watch has a crystal, which is exactly 256 times the frequency of the the standard crystal watch. The Bulova Precisionist is 8 times the frequency of a standard crystal watch. I am a timekeeping Nerd, but not a scientist or expert in the field.
Agree, it's false to claim this watch is the most "accurate". First of all because accuracy is not the same as precision. This watch is very precise, meaning it measures the passage of time more precisely than other watches, but accuracy means how close a measurement is to a reference standard. In your examples a standard quartz watch with a precision of +- 15 sec/month that syncs to the atomic time each day would be more accurate and more precise over the course of a year than this Citizen. The simple math is if my Casio Wave Ceptor syncs to the NIST time each day it would be expected to be accurate to within .5 sec all day every day. The Citizen with a precision of +- 1 sec/year would be off by .5 sec or more for half the year. Plus the accuracy of the Citizen would totally depend on how close the user is able to set it initially to the NIST time, which could vary considerably from one person to another. Given that the tech to access the NIST radio signal and set a watch is inexpensive, there are Casio watches for under $90 that have it, it's hard to understand why that was not included in this $16k Citizen which is making it's claim to fame on the basis of precision.
This is why my Citizen tough APO 39mm excluding crown is my favourite watch , made of a solid one-piece case Titanium 7828-H09971 extra-thick sapphire crystal (and made famous by Ray Mears the survival expert, google it , hard to get hold of one now , especially in good condition as discontinued, apparently Citizen was losing money making them
I recently got a citizen watch. I think it was my first Citizen watch. It's an Eco Drive and I'm very pleased with it. It has a beautiful look to it but doesn't cost near what this one does. Still it's probably more than accurate enough for me. On the other hand my favorite dress watch is a Bulova precisionist which has a high level of accuracy. More than enough for me. And both of them together don't come near the price of this one. In fact all the watches in my collection don't add up to the cost of this one watch. LOL. And so far all the 30 watches that I have have proven to be accurate enough for my purposes.
1 major problem is quartz crystal becomes less accurate over time. Might be accurate when you buy it, but certainly not going to be accurate in the future. For a 16k watch, grand seiko certainly looks more appealing. Grand seiko also comes with time adjustment regulation which will allow you to offset that time drift later. I wonder how accurate spring drive will be in the future, since it's regulated by quartz crystal.
Jun Neo hmm, to sure that’s really true going by my experience as I own several forty year old quartz watches from Citizen, Seiko and Swiss and all still better their stated accuracy forty odd years later.
@@ianmedium It definitely changes over time. Changes are small, and based on many factors. but it certainly does happen. Which is the primary reason why Grand Seiko has adjustment regulation on their quartz movement. Google Quartz Crystal Aging. Or heres a site that you can read up on it. www.electronics-notes.com/articles/electronic_components/quartz-crystal-xtal/crystal-resonator-ageing.php
Temple of Ridicule lol. Imagine me feeling anything towards a troll’s comment online...😂😂🤣 You cared enough to reply on my comment! 😆 You actually commented on my life... 😁😆🤣😂 A true tool.
I truly hope so. Citizen deserves it for pushing the boundaries of wrist based timekeeping and horology, in a world where almost nobody cares, because on centre stage is mechanical nostalgia with a large portion of snobbery.
Not here, sorry. Just look at how the seconds hand *perfectly* hits those very thin markers. THAT is precision you do not want to be obscured by a faux sweeping seconds hand. Grand Seiko's Spring Drive's sweep is the one and only real sweep you wouldn't want to be obscured by any form of quantization. Here it's really the other way around.
@@GeeeAus True. Other than that, there are no Eco Drive (Solar) driven sweeping seconds Bulova's as far as I'm aware - due to the extra power consumption of a higher beat stepper motor. Also, Bulova is owned by Citizen, but no Citizen tech has went into any of Bulova's offerings until now AFAIK. This Citizen Cal 0100 is perfect in every sense as is IMHO.
Finally! This kind of watch perspective that Im looking for to a watch since Im a kid. The accuracy of seconds hand aligning to each seconds marking in dial.
Citizen also produced the Eco Drive with radio controlled perpetual calendar which HAS a perpetual calendar and does hold time to less than one second per ten years with the help of a daily signal which is just as accurate as this quartz. And the price is two decimals down...
Impressive engineering feat, no doubt, but 17,000USD renders this a slightly moot point. A 100USD solar g-shock with wave ceptor is effectively more accurate because of the regular automatic resyncing.
James M Watch snobs will never get over the fact that these and smartwatches etc are better timekeepers, and also more advanced from an engineering standpoint.
16,000 for the white gold model. I like quartz solar radio controlled watches for accuracy and environmental factors. I have a gshock m 5610U and it's mainly a work watch, stopwatch for breaks is extremely useful. And it is tough as nails for 105 Euro. There are gshocks going for 300, 600, 900, 1000, and that is also for me shocking. I have been thinking about a high end quartz. It's kind of depressing to think that I will someday settle for an ecodrive for around 300 and some people can afford this 16 grand model. A lot of people can afford it. It's still beautiful.
Citizen, as one of the largest watch companies in the world, is far from underrated! (The word "underrated" is used way too often on RUclips! ) Atlantic, West End Watch, and Zeno Watch Basel, are a few extant watch brands that are actually underrated!
Burkhold St. Rudderberg you just want to argue don’t you? That’s what’s used too much on RUclips. My point being is if you watch any of these watch videos that talk about entry level watches they all scream Orient and Seiko but no one ever mentions Citizen. When have you ever heard a RUclips watch personality talk about Citizen? Even the fake Brit in New York doesn’t mention them. I stand by my point, Citizen watches are underrated, especially on RUclips. Your argument is weak, telling me how big they are doesn’t mean shit is nobody knows they make everything in-house or even that they make Miyota movements. GTFOH with you moot point.
Burkhold St. Rudderberg also naming small obscure Swiss brands that you can’t find anywhere doesn’t prove your point. If nobody can rate them how the hell could they be underrated, they’ve been around over a 100 years and still can’t make an impression. Nice try...you name sounds like you come from a long line of inbreeding...passing down grandfathers Atlantic watch to your son next? Fucking twit.
@@justinboudreau3130 I said a multi-billion dollar watch co. is not underrated and you say I'm a inbred fucking twit. What is actually underrated is your anger! Would you like a little cheese with that whine? ( F.Y.I. no one uses their real name on RUclips except French teenagers! )
Wow, it's like an amalgamation of the best features of a quartz and a mechanical. Very classic looking, and really appeals to my accuracy sensibilities. I wonder where the cell is for the solar charging? Would that movement be made by Citizen or at their Miyota plant?
@@Zeratul306 if it does not - how will you know if your wrist watch is precise? precision is measured against a standard - if the standard dissapears precision no longer exists...
@@dannyjensen2123 because standards change. The signal can be turned off, or changed to a different incompatible signal. See: www.npr.org/2018/08/25/641835302/what-closing-a-government-radio-station-would-mean-for-your-clocks
Nice engineering feat. But I have a $500 Citizen Eco-Drive with atomic time sync that achieves the same or better accuracy for a fraction of the price. If this was in the low $1,000, I think it would be more appealing to the masses. It's hard to put $16k on a quartz watch.
Agree. I have a Casio that cost under $200 that's solar and auto syncs daily to the atomic radio broadcast. It's more accurate and precise than this highly touted and expensive Citizen. This is interesting engineering, but it's primarily for marketing splash and not creating the best timekeeping device.
Great looking watch and I so appreciate the horological significance. That being said, I think I’d stick with a Citizen Stilleto or Seiko Presage for a dress piece. Gotta love Japanese watch brands (Citizen, Seiko, and Casio) and their innovation to the field!
Great video and I love it that you guys also focus on quartz. Personally I prefer higher end quartz over automatic because of their superior time keeping
@@viadsss2264 Do I want a hand finished, hand engraved mechanical watch? Nah, I take the quartz Citizen because I need accuracy. Btw: the Apple Watch would be even more precise.
Even certain radio controlled watches and clocks can be out by at least a second a day, or even more, until it updates again and if it misses a day or more then the errors get bigger. The Citizen satellite watch is better it's continuosly being adjusted by GPS satellites that knows exactly where in the world you are.
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Impressive. Not just the watch, but the quality of the review. This is a review. No one is shouting at me or telling me what the watch is or isn’t. Thank you.
Jack is the best in the business. His articles on Hodinkee website are always top notch. Especially when it comes to Grand Seiko. You can really feel his passion and he has a way with words.
@Temple of Ridicule go back to your temple fool
@@SS-bk2zb Too bad he doesn't understand electronics, crystals or accuracy. The frequency of the crystal doesn't determine the accuracy, how the electronics control the crystal does. Watches require LESS temperature compensation because they are worn on the wrist which has a relatively small temperature deviation. Also will this watch be as accurate if it it stored upside down? That's right, the position of the crystal affects its frequency. Crystals also age and their frequency changes over time so this watch won't be as accurate as it is now in 5 years.
The reason watch companies today are making more accurate watches has very little to do with the manufacturer and more to do with the advancement in crystal technology which is needed for applications like GPS. An 8 Meg crystal oscillator could not have been made for a watch ten years ago. The reason is that as frequency goes up current draw goes up. So making a $16k watch today, well, it's not such a big feat but the advertising is good and many of the people talking about the technology aren't techies like this reviewer but I'd be happy to debate him if he thinks I'm wrong.
How many of you know why the standard watch crystal is 32,768 (he's wrong again, it's not "exactly" if it were the watch would be zero seconds a year off - for - ever). It's because 32,768 is 2^15 which makes dividing down to one second easier for the electronic circuits in the watch.
It's not smoke and mirrors it's basic electronic engineering, guys work everyday with these parameters.
Rare these days, isn't it? Most of the reviews or so called features you'll come across are closer to rants than anything else. This is one of the few reviews/features that leaves you with something learned
I also like the lack of energetic music which most reviewers plague their reviews with. Sometimes, even drowning out their own voice at certain times.
1. Loved it.
2. Wanted it.
3. Saw the price tag.
4. Shat the sofa.
5. Moved it to my, "If money was no object" list.
Only 100 worldwide, almost 15k usd
LOL!? I don't care how accurate this watch is? There is no way I'm paying that price for a quartz movement. I'll buy a Grand Seiko or a Rolex Explorer II for less. 😂🤑
@@davenolan5709 actually even grand seiko has quartz movement...
@@XFHU My understanding is there is a small quartz regulator in the Grand Seiko, but everything else is Automatic movement?
@@davenolan5709 grand seiko has three kind of movement: automatic, quartz with a battery, and a hybrid called spring drive. The spring drive just remove the issues related with the battery, such as leaking when the lifetime is over, has precision of the quartz, and the smoothest second hand ever witht the electromagnetic brake when the second hand spin to fast, however it has a little part of elettronic component.
Oh my OCD, seeing those watches’ second hand hitting the marker bang on, it’s just so... satisfying
The Bulova Precisionist UHF sweeps at 16 beats per second which is smoother than the highest beat automatic and no tick is visible so the issue of hitting the second markers is a non issue.
Citizen is very underrated. I love that they show off their superior engeneering with this masterpiece.
Its a very western-chauvinistic view. They are huge in Japan and their high end watches do extremely well in that market. They aren't well known because they don't really market their high end quartz outside of Japan and a few other East-Asian markets because there is no real demand for them (especially at high end prices) in the west.
There is minimal demand or respect for high accuracy quartz in the west, the technology exists within the Swiss pantheon but is currently looked down on by both watchmakers and consumers. High accuracy quartz technologies have either been essentially wholly abandoned (e.g. CEH movements that were used by the likes of Rolex, Omega and Patek in the 70s and 80s) or been relegated to entry level watches (e.g. ETA's thermoline movements).
Punctuality is much more important in Japanese culture and, at least in part due to this, high accuracy watches have much more respect and a much larger market share - when compared to the west where the obsession at the high end is with mechanical movements. Citizen dominates this part of the market, as whilst Seiko also makes high accuracy quartz they are more focused on combining quartz accuracy with mechanical movements (spring drive) than thermocompression.
Going purely by income as stand-in for recognition, Citizen is actually well ahead of Seiko in terms of revenue and income.
Really cool watch and great review. Jack proving again why he is one of the best.
Teddy Baldassarre classy comment!!! 👍🏽enjoy your reviews as well...
Well when they include your collection!
FINALLY!!! A QUARTZ WATCH WITH THE SECOND HAND PERFECTLY LINING UP WITH THE MINUTE MARKINGS!!!!!!!! YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well grand Seikos existed before this.
Omega has aligned second hands on its Seamasters quartz as well.
my 50€ casio duro does that
@@SC-lo5ez I have seen an AT with obviously misaligned second hands though. But they better be (and I assume they are) willing to fix it asap for anyone getting a seamaster like that.
Grand Seiko are not always spot on. Trust me. And too early to tell if this movement will consistently be constructed so either. However, it is an encouraging sign they bent the seconds hand to emphasize how precisely it lands on each mark. That is showing confidence. But will they be consistently manufactured that way long term?
Citizen is totally underrated. Their passion and achievement on quartz movement should be recognized as those on automatic movement led by swiss watchmakers
Swiss watchmakers are a con still flogging mechanical watches and battery powered quartz watches when solar powered quartz watches should be the de facto standard.
The issue is that they put their fantastic movements in completely meh watches, Seiko realised that to get people to spend big money on watches you need more than just accuracy, you need beauty, finishing, and actual luxury, hence the creation of Grand Seiko and Credor. Your average punter is not going to spend this sort of money on a Citizen, they need a luxury brand, their own Grand Seiko.
@@Jabber-ig3iw Maybe this is for the person that really wants an understated watch. One that people wouldn't even steal when robbed on the street, but that is at the same time very special indeed. I do agree though that I don't see why you would want this over a spring drive, which offers quite amazing accuracy (compared to mechanical) and the smoothness is great. I still would probably get one from Seiko instead of GS, except their spring drive collection doesn't contain anything like these Citizen watches.
@@Eikenhorst I agree too. One thing that a lot of other brands have is variety. Want a GS spring drive? They've got visible patterns, understated ones, and even plain watches with that movement. Want a Casio with a digital dial? You can have it as a rectangle, a circle, some big, some small, some rugged, some clean. These companies and many others offer a variety of designs for the same movements/functions.
Citizen should def keep this watch design, but they should also add other designs with this same movement! A look for every kind of watch enthusiast, but with the same incredibly accurate quartz movement that hits the second markers bang on every single time.
Citizen’s dedication to innovation and accuracy has my respect.
A lot of people don't understand the point here. Citizen is saying we built a watch that is so precise that it doesn't need to sync to an external source to be extremely accurate.
TheKingPhisher If I don’t understand the point then I guess the watch is not worth it. I have a watch just as accurate with external source correction....I don’t want to be pay $16000 more for something with the same accurate result
@@realitykicksin8755 A watch that synchs with a radio source like the casio's is extremely accurate but is only projecting external accuracy. Some people find interesting/pleasureable that the watch itself is accurate. At the end of the day watches have become essentially outdated/useless since everyone has a phone that is always synched so buying a watch these days is about what you find interesting/you think looks good.
@@BitmapFrogs No. Wristwatches are far from "useless". They are arguably the most efficient tool for telling time. Far more ergonomic than a cellphone. A wristwatch does one thing, and does it well. A smart phone does many things, but none of them are done efficiently. When a smart phone runs out of power it is as useful as a brick. A solar powered wristwatch never runs out of power, and has a service interval of 10-20 years. A cellphone becomes obsolete within 4 years.
@Jonnathan Crane Wow, how triggered do you have to be to equate not needing something this accurate to stapling a penis. lmfao
@@ivermec-tin666 Well said!
At the end of the day, a watch is meant to tell and keep time. It's doesn't matter if your watch cost thousands of dollars if it isn't very accurate. Kudos to Citizen for their continued innovation and the pursuit of accuracy in time keeping.
I like the "too expensive for quartz" responses. As if any wrist watch is actually worth that kind of money, mechanical or not.
@S I sync my watches to an internet time signal, which is itself based on an atomic clock.
I then use this to measure how much they lose or gain per day. With that I have started to notice just how inaccurate "Accurate" methods people usually use to tell the time are.
For instance the clock on your PC using a signal from the internet, is usually not displaying the correct time, when compared to various time signals based on atomic clocks you will notice that it is behind.
Phones work on this basis too, and I can tell you that I place more faith in my quartz watches synced to a time signal than I do to any PC/Phone based clock. I am even lucky enough to have a chronometer certified watch, and let me tell you, when I set that and keep it wound I can come back to it pretty much a week later and it will still barely be ahead of the time signal I synced it to whereas the phone signal is still an entire minute or so behind.
You cannot sync a phone because they run on a time signal udate/sync schedule set by the manufacturer and it will not be entirely accurate.
Don't knock watches, My F-91W is more accurate than most of my mechanicals but my chrono cert watch gives it a run for its money. My other casio Quartzes are much more accurate than the F91-W.
The Accuracy is out there, and chronometer certifications are a thing that exist.
my 15 bucks casio is
Some are absolutely worth even more. Unless of course you think skill, craftsmanship, history, innovation aren’t worth anything🙄🙄
@@Jabber-ig3iw First time? I do high end guitars and in "fairness", a LOT of people cant justify buying $20 glasses, $15 watches etc etc guitar over $100. On our hand though (no pun intended), do you see Ferrari drivers go out of their way to insult Honda Accord drivers to their face ?
Amazing macro, amazing narration, amazing watch. This is a step up over the usual Hodinkee content.
@Temple of Ridicule lmao I'd loved to be paid by Hodinkee if they wanted to, unfortunately I just happened to like the video. Sorry friend
@Temple of Ridicule lmao I'd loved to be paid by Hodinkee if they wanted to, unfortunately I just happened to like the video. Sorry friend
@Temple of Ridicule I like your positive outlook on life.
@Temple of Ridicule I'm a realist, and I know about life. But you seem like nothing but a whiny little prick who enjoys to step on each and everyone's toes just to confirm to yourself by their reactions that every one else is a prick. Full disclaimer: I'm not a fan of Hodinkee. At all. But the way you tried to discredit the poster of the genuine comment above is not the way to bring your point across. Other than that, the Citizen watch this video is about doesn't get enough coverage for how great it is an engineering accomplishment.
@Temple of Ridicule don't know you but i like you.....you'd be a great person to take on all the self righteous sanctimonious wankers out there that i hate.
I'd just punch them but you'd just take them apart verbally with microscopic surgical precision..THEN I'D PUNCH THEM.
Finally Citizen getting its due respect for innovation towards quartez movements
Weirdo
And its 17k...
Amazing engineering. I am always fascinated and excited by Citizen's relatively quiet pursuit of perfection. Their work with titanium and innovative scratch resistant coatings is a rabbit hole unto itself.
Love the titanium carbide coating on my BN0200. It seems like it basicly doesn't scratch, or if it does, the satin-ish finish makes hairlines near-invisible.
If we look at horological achievements in accuracy as something of primary importance ( which is how all the greats in the field approached and approach it to this day) then this really is one of the most worthy, fascinating and important advancements in the field made in many many decades. Thankfully there are lower priced models in steel to be had, some will still Balk at the cost but for those who love innovation in this hobby this has to be near the top of a purchase list I feel. Wonderful report Jack, oh and the black strap with cream dial has given me an idea for my GS with cream dial!
16k? I can be a few seconds late and save 15.9k lol
Haha
16.7k*
Or early
You've just won a $ 20 buck casio!!!! 😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄
Thank u
Incredible stuff.
The cinematography in this video is top-tier. Everything from the incredible macro work to the sound design behind it. The video matches the watch itself so well!
amazing what japan can do, totally underrated
Yeah it is called Quartz
John Blackwood there are diffrent levels of quartz watches just like with automatic ones. You can't compare a Swatch Quartz movement to the Citizen 0100, just like you can't compare a 4r35 movement from Seiko with a perpetual calendar movement from Patek
Cédric Conter True the Seiko 4R will most likely perform much better and even has hackable seconds. PP has stopped innovating 40 years or so ago .
Martin R. Krause don't be silly please, Patek, Lange, Vacheron and AP are on the top because they deserve it
Cédric Conter On the top off what? Accuracy? No. Innovation? No. Price? No even that, although that is easy to achieve. Quality? No. Finish? Not AP for sure, Lange on the other hand ... Why is a PP so ridiculously expensive? Because it is “luxury” or is it “luxury” because it is expensive? And believe me, I own 2, PP movements are pretty crappy. This Citizen, for the price of 1/3 of a PP, really is on the top - no discussion or interpretation possible.
They're also releasing a titanium version of the watch as well for $7,400
This is next-level stuff! Both from Citizen and Hodinkee. Excellent job!
Love everything about this watch until I saw the price ($16,800)! Holy moly! Time to dream again I guess.
For a Quartz movement watch...
Nah... I preffer the Grand Seiko spring drive!
Just buy Rolex OP. Way better than shitty GS dial.
@@PINKDIAMOND watch out we got rolex fanboy here
Alfred Potter i couldn’t agree more. A spring drive is definitely better in term of price and ingenuity!
PINK DIAMOND i like them both equally! I agree for $16,800, I’d rather get 2-3 GS or Rolex or both and still have enough left over for ice cream to enjoy as I stare at the nice collection of GS and rolex.
Love looking at the seconds hand hitting the hour makers spot on!!!
@Ahmed Ashraf It sure is
Same lmao
Spot on indeed but what I did notice is that the minutes hand isn’t in sync with the seconds hand. I expect the minutes hand to be exactly in between two markers when the seconds hand is at 30 seconds, which it isn’t. For example at 4:39. Maybe only a simple manual adjustment is needed but that’s something I would have payed extra attention to especially when filming.
@@GerardHennemann Doesn't that defeat the point of having a second hand?
@@ChrisMisc1No, you probably don't understand what I meant. Probably because of how I tried to explain. What I mean is that at for example 12:00:00 all hands are on the 12. When it's 12:00:15 the seconds hand is at 3 and the minutes hand should be at 1/4 of the distance from the 12 to the 1. At 12:00:30 the minutes hand should be exactly in between the 12 and the 1 and so forth. I noticed this not to be the case.
One of Hodinkee's best video yet. I'd love to see the same level of detail and love for a watch under 1000$
The narrative, the tempo and the tone of voice are impeccable. Thank you for a great review.
"It's a quartz watch that is so re-engineered that it may even appeal to the tastes of mechanical watches lovers..."
Count me in on that one.
Same
I wonder what you'd think of the Jaeger-LeCoultre Geophysic True Second -- /watch?v=17fOFcGrb7A
Or the A. Lange & Sohne Richard Lange Jumping Seconds -- /watch?v=M_YQLwkOEg4
Hopefully the Citizen 'Caliber 0100' can be used in more affordable models (besides the limited $7,400 titanium models)
Though the more affordable Longines VHP (with ±5 seconds per year accuracy) might attract High Accuracy Quartz enthusiasts.
“...that is so over-engineered...”
Two words: AMAZING REVIEW. The shots, the music, the text, the narration, the idea, the story told. Everything. And you got me excited and wanting this quartz watch. Not sure that was even your point, and that’s truly amazing...
That's the first quartz watch that I've seen where the second hand hits the minute markets ABSOLUTELY spot on every time.
Casio Oceanus does that too.
For curiosity’s sake, I would like to see an image of the quartz crystal.
Patrick Tutek might be secret/patented etc...
You can see it here. 1:56
ruclips.net/video/BjBajyfWBkk/видео.html
The way that second hand hits every single marker on the dial is sooo satisfying... even more impressive than a GS 9F IMO. No backlash whatsoever and the hand is only ticking once every second this time, not twice like the GS. Remarkable piece but also very expensive... I think the Citizen Chronomaster line up offers the same feeling of high accuracy quartz at a way more affordable price... Unfortunately we hardly ever see any reviews of Chronomaster Watches on youtube...
Frequency of 8 million vibrations a second! Just let that sink in, amazing.
Technically that's pretty low. Even a cheap arduino uses a 16Mhz crystal which is double. Let alone a modern cpu which runs at let's say 3Ghz (3 billion times a second)
@@svetko05 Quarz oscillators are limited to a few hundred MHz. Higher frequencies are synthesized via Phase Locked Loops.
I'm a total mechanical watch guy - all but one of the watches I wear run on springs 🙂BUT: Quartz watches start to get my attention at +/- 10 Sec/Year and better. I just love precision. That one watch of mine that doesn't run on springs is a Citizen Chronomaster at +/- 5 Sec/Year, with a jumping hour hand and a perpetual calendar that rolls forward and backward when I'm changing time zones. It's brilliant, and it's the one I wear while travelling. It's been running about +3 Sec/Year over the last few years, well within spec. I wear happily it along with my Rolex and Breguet watches.
This model reaaallly floats my quartz boat. Unfortunately, Citizen doesn't seem to want to make this this watch available for sale. Pity.
There's something very honest and elegant about this watch. I _could_ afford it but it's a lot of money and I do have a Submariner (which gains about 30 seconds a month). It's 38 years old and I'll probably hang onto it. If it got lost, I'd seriously consider this Citizen but a nagging question in the back of my mind would be "Will it last at least 38 years"?
For me, quality, reliability, engineering excellence and elegance are paramount. Absolute accuracy is not the reason I buy a watch but the extreme accuracy of this Citizen reflects the manufacturer's attention to detail. This watch is is groundbreaking and understated. If you got held up at gunpoint, the robber would probably not bother stealing the watch. There's a delightful poignancy in such a scenario.
Glad to see Citizen getting some recognition. My Calibre 2100 (Ron Swanson) is my daily tool watch, and it has never let me down.
I love my Ron Swanson as well. Beautiful watch.
This is why the Swiss stopped having accuracy contests. They picked up their marbles and went home in tears, back in the 60s, when the Japanese overtook them.
Eric Anderson ever heard of the Omega Marine Chronometer?
@@MontypPJ It was long time ago in 1974 ... and nothing since then. We are in 2019 now ... so get a good time perspective. Well Egyptian 4000 years ago had a Sun watch and it was very accurate :)
@@MontypPJ The problem was that a chronometer with a precision in the range of few seconds per year is not really useful if the battery don't even last one year and in the 70s battery technology was way behind. In any case Roger Smith has one and in one short video he, who is clearly biased toward mechanical watches, describes it as a "technical marvel"...or something like that.
@@tapsarautanen eco drive batterys last +10 years - i guess thats kindof usefull...
@@dannyjensen2123 Sure it is, somehow, assuming we really need to be precise to the second, I was talking of the Omega Marine Chronometer of the 70s.
that really is a simple looking thing of great beauty , hiding an incredible level of engineering , looking so so sleek.
be glad it does not say Patek on the dial or 50k would be the price tag , and a ten year waiting list.
Stunning photography too , really great review in both style and content.
I have two Citizen watches, a Chronograph Eco-Drive and a Promaster Eco-Drive Marine. Both are beautiful watches, and both are accurate to four seconds a month. That is less than one minute a year!. A truly remarkable watch that should get far more attention.
16k Oh my! Great review. Thank you.
Taipei Geek will there be a stainless steel option?
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For a fancy Quartz movement...
The technology came from Bulova when Citizen purchased them. Bulova started with the Precisionist.
This review couldn't have been more professional. The camera work is amazing. Background music perfect for the topic.
Outstanding piece. I love the way Citizen merged the two worlds: mechanical and quartz. Beautiful!
What you want is good thermal coupling between the quartz crystal and your wrist - ie, the temperature of the quartz crystal is determined by your body temperature. I had a Timex running watch that was amazingly accurate - the top was plastic with low conductivity and the back was metal.
Good review - I have a Citizen watch and have been very happy with it.
Seiko: Hold my Sashimi.
As a huge Seiko fan, I must still say that Seiko is behind Citizen when it comes to extremely precise and accurate timekeeping, especially in regards to being able to independently move the hour hand to preserve the time. This is without mention of the Caliber 0100 including solar power in its thin frame. Seiko's stretch to the ±5s/y category is not comparable to the ±1s/y mark, from an engineering and production perspective. Citizen stands essentially unchallenged in this field.
@@SilencedMi5 I have a Grand Seiko quartz, which seems to be accurate to 1or 2 seconds per year. It's going in the bin and I'm getting this Citizen! Just kidding, the Grand Seiko has much better looks.
@Ali Alexander Far behind... rofl
@Dave Mendoza Thank you! I can imagine that being true as well at some level.
@@SilencedMi5 Let’s see what happens. I cannot afford either. So, might as well watch and enjoy the show for now.
Great vid. I never thought I'd have a place in my heart for quartz watches again, but here I am back, almost full circle. Had a bad experience with the servicing of my 16253 last year, had to turn around and send it straight back to RSC. I've been without it for almost 10 months now, and my frustration over it got me to thinking about quartz again. I'm currently collecting 1970s Seikos and enjoying it immensely. Just snagged another, 9943 earlier this month. I haven't given up on mechanical movements, but I'm beyond my, “It's gotta be mechanical” phase.
I respect the hell out of this watch.
But if this watch said Rolex at the same price tag, fanboys would be creaming in their pants over this.
No love for Citizen, even though Eco Drive is fantastic technology.
As I was watching the review I started thinking, "What an impressive movement in a quartz I would really like to own one of those".... then I started searching the citizen site for one and found nothing there... so I searched for the caliber/reference number and it came up immediately... Let me say the price tag hit me like a ton of bricks!! WOW.. I guess I should have watched the rest of the review before searching because I was not aware you would be posting the price! Loved the review. Not sure if a quartz movement watch is worth 16k but, if your a collector of rare watches than I can see it. Also, being that it is so accurate maybe it is...
Great review. New sub...
This is the Bulova Precisionist taken to nearly the ultimate degree. No coincidence that Citizen owns Bulova.
I'm into mechanicals, I only have two quartz pieces., A Citizen Eco-drive solar chrono in titanium. It's my beater, weighs 63 g on its rubber band and titanium buckle. And a Seiko Arctura Kinetic auto-relay with four years power reserve from its capacitor, although it won't retain its charge anymore (15 yrs old).
I must say I am very intrigued by this new Citizen cal. PM is not for me, but in a steel case I would definitely want to have a closer look at it. I like dress watches, own a few.
I love this dial, the way the hands are precisely placed, the extreme accuracy and the understated look yet packing groundbreaking tech, What a very seductive blend of attributes.
great video, but if you really want accuracy you can get a multiband radio-controlled watch, or gps controlled one, which some gshocks have. no need to ever adjust the time for DST etc. oh and they cost a fraction of the price and have 200m water resist :)
Thanks for valuable information.
I know it is a bitch!
Citizen is a very underrated company
High end watch collectors: I own 3 Swiss quartz watches. I love them!
Low end watch collectors: I would never ever own a quartz watch. I’d buy a seiko SKX before owning a quartz watch
LOL!
Very nice voice over work. I love the slight nasal quality, it brings confidence and comfort. I liken it to the genius of Jonny Ive at Apple, without the British slant. Keep up the great work.
Incredible review - as always by Forster.
But Citizen, why white-gold - whyyyyy???
It's totally low key gangster. It looks like steel but it's heavier 'cause it's not, and you're the only one who knows. That's what it's all about.
D K Stealth wealth.
@@WatchTheHands A Chronomaster is still hella expensive. Hopefully they'll put the old Chronomaster caliber in something «even more reasonably priced» 😉😆
Because it's a $17,000 watch, and at that price it's just not going to be stainless steel.
White gold is 'stealth wealth'. Everyone seeing it will think its another steel eco-drive, but it isn't. Plus the gold case gives it some heft.
Beautiful Elegant Time Piece! $16,800.00 ? I like it but I have several “atomic Watches” That adjust themselves to the National Clock System. Plus, have timers, Chronographs and more for a lot less money!
it's gorgeous. hopefully they make one in SS... 16k is insane but considering the tech, material, ect. worth it to the right collector.
Just switched from a Seiko Tuna SBBN031 to a Citizen BN2021-03E, My $500 Citizen is perfectly alligned like this and it's pure satisfaction.
Citizen is underrated :)
It hits all of its indicies so exactly. It's hypnotic
nice watch, but I prefer the solar powered watches that are calibrated daily by the WWV time signal- set the zone and the clock corrects itself giving you the most up to date accurate time based on the atomic clock. You never have to adjust it for DST/Standard time and these watches have perpetual calendar so you never have to adjust it if the month has 30 days only- Casio makes a whole line of these wonderful watches.
Longines Conquest VHP- plus or minus 5seconds a year. Amazing at £760.
I agree, amazing price for such a great watch. I’m so happy Longines have brought back their high accuracy movements and at really bargain prices. I would have one of those over the more expensive mechanical version any day as those autos are pretty vanilla in comparison.
I too agree. I wish more h.a.q. watches would be released around or below this pricepoint. Sadly, I can't stand the look of the Conquest. If they release the same calibre in a better looking watch I would probably get it.
Or Bulova's with the 262Khz movement. 10 seconds a year $300.00 + depending on model. I use my Sea King to keep my automatics accurate.
Citizen A-T Skyhawk. Accurate to 1/100,000 of a second per year.
@@TheCometHunter Not much point in comparing it to an RC controlled watch. It's still a 15s/month watch with the ability to display another watch's time that is accurate to (1/100000)s/year. Which is a cool technology in its own. But h.a.q. watches are all about autonomous accuracy and the fascination with how the movement produces it.
There are other ways to keep a watch accurate. One of the older ways is to have a radio receiver in the watch that synchronizes with NIST signals from Boulder, CO or signals in other countries. A step further is to have watches synchronized with the GPS system which works much more smoothly. Those watches still have the 32768 crystal in them, so they would lose accuracy without the time sync. Bulova puts out the Precisionist which has a quartz crystal oscillating at 262144, another power of 2 raised to the 18th (2^18). Th watch can be synchronized by eye using your cellphone GPS clock and it will stay accurate for quite a while. The watch demonstrated here is 2^ 23 which maintains more accuracy at 8,388,608.
All crystal watches that I know of run with a time reference which is a power of two, which is easy to divide by two many times with digital circuitry.
The national time reference at Boulder, CO is based on the oscillations of the energy levels of electrons in the Cesium atoms and the time is extracted in a different way. It is remarkable that this watch reference is close in frequency to the Cesium clocks in NIST (WWVB) signals and the same Cesium clocks used in the GPS satellites, Watches are getting better and better.
I would like to see a watch with this frequency of 8388144 also have a GPS time synch. I think the prices of these watches will come down. This watch has a crystal, which is exactly 256 times the frequency of the the standard crystal watch. The Bulova Precisionist is 8 times the frequency of a standard crystal watch.
I am a timekeeping Nerd, but not a scientist or expert in the field.
Agree, it's false to claim this watch is the most "accurate". First of all because accuracy is not the same as precision. This watch is very precise, meaning it measures the passage of time more precisely than other watches, but accuracy means how close a measurement is to a reference standard. In your examples a standard quartz watch with a precision of +- 15 sec/month that syncs to the atomic time each day would be more accurate and more precise over the course of a year than this Citizen. The simple math is if my Casio Wave Ceptor syncs to the NIST time each day it would be expected to be accurate to within .5 sec all day every day. The Citizen with a precision of +- 1 sec/year would be off by .5 sec or more for half the year. Plus the accuracy of the Citizen would totally depend on how close the user is able to set it initially to the NIST time, which could vary considerably from one person to another. Given that the tech to access the NIST radio signal and set a watch is inexpensive, there are Casio watches for under $90 that have it, it's hard to understand why that was not included in this $16k Citizen which is making it's claim to fame on the basis of precision.
In addition to that, it is absolutely gorgeous, a top notch Calatrava alternative.
Thank you for this wonderfully produced review. Presentation 10/10. This is why I watch (pun intended) Hodinkee.
This is why my Citizen tough APO 39mm excluding crown is my favourite watch , made of a solid one-piece case Titanium 7828-H09971 extra-thick sapphire crystal (and made famous by Ray Mears the survival expert, google it , hard to get hold of one now , especially in good condition as discontinued, apparently Citizen was losing money making them
I recently got a citizen watch. I think it was my first Citizen watch. It's an Eco Drive and I'm very pleased with it. It has a beautiful look to it but doesn't cost near what this one does. Still it's probably more than accurate enough for me. On the other hand my favorite dress watch is a Bulova precisionist which has a high level of accuracy. More than enough for me. And both of them together don't come near the price of this one. In fact all the watches in my collection don't add up to the cost of this one watch. LOL. And so far all the 30 watches that I have have proven to be accurate enough for my purposes.
1 major problem is quartz crystal becomes less accurate over time. Might be accurate when you buy it, but certainly not going to be accurate in the future.
For a 16k watch, grand seiko certainly looks more appealing.
Grand seiko also comes with time adjustment regulation which will allow you to offset that time drift later.
I wonder how accurate spring drive will be in the future, since it's regulated by quartz crystal.
Jun Neo hmm, to sure that’s really true going by my experience as I own several forty year old quartz watches from Citizen, Seiko and Swiss and all still better their stated accuracy forty odd years later.
@@ianmedium It definitely changes over time.
Changes are small, and based on many factors. but it certainly does happen. Which is the primary reason why Grand Seiko has adjustment regulation on their quartz movement.
Google Quartz Crystal Aging.
Or heres a site that you can read up on it.
www.electronics-notes.com/articles/electronic_components/quartz-crystal-xtal/crystal-resonator-ageing.php
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That second hand movement is crazy. So precise.
Looking at this -
Somehow I feel 1969 Seiko Astron.
Just it’s impact is not immediate. But will be looked back on just the same!
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Temple of Ridicule
lol. Imagine me feeling anything towards a troll’s comment online...😂😂🤣
You cared enough to reply on my comment! 😆
You actually commented on my life... 😁😆🤣😂
A true tool.
I truly hope so. Citizen deserves it for pushing the boundaries of wrist based timekeeping and horology, in a world where almost nobody cares, because on centre stage is mechanical nostalgia with a large portion of snobbery.
Citizen's already has a quartz movement with a sweeping second hand for use in the Bulova Precisionist line. They certainly should have used one here.
Not here, sorry. Just look at how the seconds hand *perfectly* hits those very thin markers. THAT is precision you do not want to be obscured by a faux sweeping seconds hand. Grand Seiko's Spring Drive's sweep is the one and only real sweep you wouldn't want to be obscured by any form of quantization. Here it's really the other way around.
@@otobotrecords exactly. This watch was made to function like a quartz watch typically does so it can flex it's high accuracy muscles.
@@GeeeAus True. Other than that, there are no Eco Drive (Solar) driven sweeping seconds Bulova's as far as I'm aware - due to the extra power consumption of a higher beat stepper motor. Also, Bulova is owned by Citizen, but no Citizen tech has went into any of Bulova's offerings until now AFAIK.
This Citizen Cal 0100 is perfect in every sense as is IMHO.
Part of the pieces accuracy is that the second hand is locked from moving until just before it should. This design is intended to step.
I know. The extra bits above I only added with hindsight to the original post's assumptions which don't make sense.
Finally! This kind of watch perspective that Im looking for to a watch since Im a kid. The accuracy of seconds hand aligning to each seconds marking in dial.
Shout-out to the Gentry. I know you're here!
The fact that the second hand hits the marker perfectly every single time is very very VERY satisfying.
I love this watch, its the only quartz watch on my grail list but its towards the top of my grail list.
I felt in love with this Caliber since they announced it. Love it.
I LOVE IT!!!!!
That second hand hitting all the markers is so satisfying :)
This was fascinating to watch. Well delivered
Citizen also produced the Eco Drive with radio controlled perpetual calendar which HAS a perpetual calendar and does hold time to less than one second per ten years with the help of a daily signal which is just as accurate as this quartz. And the price is two decimals down...
Impressive engineering feat, no doubt, but 17,000USD renders this a slightly moot point. A 100USD solar g-shock with wave ceptor is effectively more accurate because of the regular automatic resyncing.
James M Watch snobs will never get over the fact that these and smartwatches etc are better timekeepers, and also more advanced from an engineering standpoint.
16,000 for the white gold model. I like quartz solar radio controlled watches for accuracy and environmental factors. I have a gshock m 5610U and it's mainly a work watch, stopwatch for breaks is extremely useful. And it is tough as nails for 105 Euro. There are gshocks going for 300, 600, 900, 1000, and that is also for me shocking.
I have been thinking about a high end quartz.
It's kind of depressing to think that I will someday settle for an ecodrive for around 300 and some people can afford this 16 grand model. A lot of people can afford it.
It's still beautiful.
"The Most Accurate Watch Ever Made?"
Casio's Atomic Time Keeping: "Hold my LCD"
@Peter Aremone not good enough for who exactly?
@Peter Aremone quartz isnt for anyone who is intro "true horology" either. sorry to break your bubble.
@@Othusdragonreviews lol this just isnt true , I love both mechanical and quartz watches you sir sound like a snob with a statement like that
othus chronometry > horology
Eco drive...now eleven years in use... Very precise...only touch the knob for summer- wintertime..
I'm 78 years old I don't I have TIME to save up for such a watch i might be able to get one SECOND HAND .😁😁😁
Absolutely outstanding review! Saw the price and then firmly understood why Wall Street is included in the video. Thanks for the education. Be well.
Citizen is the most underrated brand.
Citizen, as one of the largest watch companies in the world, is far from underrated! (The word "underrated" is used way too often on RUclips! )
Atlantic, West End Watch, and Zeno Watch Basel, are a few extant watch brands that are actually underrated!
Burkhold St. Rudderberg you just want to argue don’t you? That’s what’s used too much on RUclips.
My point being is if you watch any of these watch videos that talk about entry level watches they all scream Orient and Seiko but no one ever mentions Citizen. When have you ever heard a RUclips watch personality talk about Citizen? Even the fake Brit in New York doesn’t mention them.
I stand by my point, Citizen watches are underrated, especially on RUclips.
Your argument is weak, telling me how big they are doesn’t mean shit is nobody knows they make everything in-house or even that they make Miyota movements.
GTFOH with you moot point.
Burkhold St. Rudderberg also naming small obscure Swiss brands that you can’t find anywhere doesn’t prove your point. If nobody can rate them how the hell could they be underrated, they’ve been around over a 100 years and still can’t make an impression.
Nice try...you name sounds like you come from a long line of inbreeding...passing down grandfathers Atlantic watch to your son next? Fucking twit.
@@justinboudreau3130 I said a multi-billion dollar watch co. is not underrated and you say I'm a inbred fucking twit. What is actually underrated is your anger! Would you like a little cheese with that whine? ( F.Y.I. no one uses their real name on RUclips except French teenagers! )
It looks like I'll need to save a long time in order to buy my fourth Eco Drive. Seriously, this is an amazing watch.
Wearing my citizen atm!!
Yun Jin Chuah a $100 one haha
Wow, it's like an amalgamation of the best features of a quartz and a mechanical. Very classic looking, and really appeals to my accuracy sensibilities. I wonder where the cell is for the solar charging? Would that movement be made by Citizen or at their Miyota plant?
my 100 dollar casio has +/- 0 seconds inaccuracy in 1000 years :) it syncs with the atomic clock every day
Well assuming the atomic clock (or the standard signal) it syncs with will be around for 1000 years.
@@Zeratul306 if it does not - how will you know if your wrist watch is precise? precision is measured against a standard - if the standard dissapears precision no longer exists...
@@dannyjensen2123 because standards change. The signal can be turned off, or changed to a different incompatible signal. See: www.npr.org/2018/08/25/641835302/what-closing-a-government-radio-station-would-mean-for-your-clocks
I could watch that second handing ticking all day long. Beautiful.
An impressive new standard in retirement watches for Citizen executives.
Jack is the man for watch reviews. I love this watch but I can't afford that much unfortunately
I'll take a $10 Timex and a very nice used Porsche.
Goosebumps in the first 10 seconds ..
Nice engineering feat. But I have a $500 Citizen Eco-Drive with atomic time sync that achieves the same or better accuracy for a fraction of the price. If this was in the low $1,000, I think it would be more appealing to the masses. It's hard to put $16k on a quartz watch.
It's hard to put it on any watch.
@@DM-rc4yu No it's not. Casio makes numerous watches with the radio sync to atomic time built in, some for less that $90.
Agree. I have a Casio that cost under $200 that's solar and auto syncs daily to the atomic radio broadcast. It's more accurate and precise than this highly touted and expensive Citizen. This is interesting engineering, but it's primarily for marketing splash and not creating the best timekeeping device.
Terrific. Congrats to Citizen for this technological masterpiece.
Bulova HAQ. Almost as accurate for less than 5% of the price of this.
And it doesn't say "Citizen" on the dial.
You know what's more accurate than that? A Casio F-91W, and it's only $10.
@@Vyz3r No, the casio you mentioned is inferior. It's more of a 15 sec/month watch.
Great looking watch and I so appreciate the horological significance. That being said, I think I’d stick with a Citizen Stilleto or Seiko Presage for a dress piece.
Gotta love Japanese watch brands (Citizen, Seiko, and Casio) and their innovation to the field!
I have a $60 casio Gshock that is more accurate because it sets itself every night to the atomic clock. Savings of thousands I guess.
Johnny G still not as accurate as it loses at least a second a day in between syncs
@@noahmarshall3163 I have an old Tag F1 that gains a half second per month. If someone wants to offer me 2k for it I'll sell. LOL
Great video and I love it that you guys also focus on quartz. Personally I prefer higher end quartz over automatic because of their superior time keeping
Ali Alexander the Apple Watch is so ugly and loses its charge after a day. There’s no craftsman ship to the Apple Watch
Most people who are shopping for $17,000 watches (and above), are NOT shopping cross-shopping a Citizen quartz watch. No matter how accurate it is...
@@viadsss2264 Do I want a hand finished, hand engraved mechanical watch? Nah, I take the quartz Citizen because I need accuracy. Btw: the Apple Watch would be even more precise.
@@jennyp.4603 You already made that comment "jenny" lol.
Should higher frequenzy correspond to a smoother second hand sweep, like for the Bulova Moonwatch?
no thanks I want the most accurate watch ever: cesium clock - accuracy of 2 nanoseconds per day or one second in 1,400,000 years
Which my watch syncs with every night around midnight and it only cost about $250.
I suspect by the time this comes down in price, chip-size atomic clocks will have come down in size.
they have that one too, it's $16M
Even certain radio controlled watches and clocks can be out by at least a second a day, or even more, until it updates again and if it misses a day or more then the errors get bigger. The Citizen satellite watch is better it's continuosly being adjusted by GPS satellites that knows exactly where in the world you are.
@@mikesmith5389 One second out? How will we go on? 🤣