The Real 1.12.3 Patch Notes (and my poor Smithscript weapons) Elden Ring Shadow of the Erdtree
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Guys and gals, chill. This is a patch note where everything changed is expected. The actual patch notes for Elden Ring: Shadow of the Erdtree FromSoft didn't give you. #eldenring #艾爾登法環
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Chrightt is fed up with misinformation lmao
Having to put up with the Fextralife wiki's notorious tendency to list speculation/false information as fact while they continue reverting your corrections because they trust their terrible mods more than people who actually test things, you'd get fed up too.
Can u rly blame him tho with all the shit around? 👀🤫
Glad we have Chrightt and I gladly wait a lil longer for proper info. 🫡
@@ForeverLaxxNow, imagine if the wiki was on FANDOM...
It's FromSoft's fault for having such incredibly vague, sometimes flat-out wrong info on their update notes. It genuinely feels like they use Google Translate or something to translate them from Japanese to English.
This is a problem within their games, as well. A lot of basic information simply isn't shown, and rather implied. For example, why don't spells show their damage type, damage, range, etc? All they show is their FP cost. Talismans don't show numbers, like how much the Crimson Amber Medallion increases your HP by. Upgrading your Scadutree Blessing doesn't tell you how much your damage and resistances increase by each level since using Scadutree Fragments can't be done on your status screen.
Heck, the Carian Sorcery Sword, a CATALYST, doesn't even show its spell scaling.
Want to know any of that stuff? Look it up on the wiki, lol!
Fandom is a joke and fextra is the punchline, it's a shame so many wikis are still on the cancer platform, a shame something "fan-made" comes out so commercialized it breaks itself.
Fandom was once perfectly fine, send me to a no-acquisition timeline pls.
Basically, no other youtuber is worth watching when it comes to understanding patches. While they prioritize subjective "testing" and a simple vocal readover of the notes (which as we all know often tell us next to nothing) to get their video out ASAP, Chrightt gives us intel down to the numbers + nuance. Let's go.
Elden Ring is a very popular video game, therefore 99% of the "informational" videos about it are utter crap.
Youwy's patch notes video was pretty good and accurate for how quickly it came out, and he doesn't claim anything he doesn't understand. Ironically, it also has the most views from what I've seen, so I dunno where people are getting the idea that the Carian Sorcery Sword is OP now.
Youwy is pretty good imo, and his claim about the Carian Sword was it's the best at lower Int which Chrightt seemed to at least partially agree with. I def trust Chrightt the most though
Yeah his videos are the best if you actually want information. I also hate when people basically just read off the patch notes from the website without explaining anything, I've already done that, I came to youtube to see how much the change was because FromSoft rarely mentions percentages in their patch notes.
Spot on. Chrightt is a treasure
Having damage drop off on the smithscript weapons is one of the design decisions of all time. Who thought it was necessary the damage wouldn’t be broken even if it did full damage at max range.
I love Fromsoft, but they're really dumb when it comes to balancing.
If anything, I feel like it should do a bell curve of dmg.
If it does normal dmg at min and max range, and it does more then that at mid range. It would be an incentive to find sweet spots, which plenty of other weapons have.
@@DRida64 that would be better than what we have right now but i still think the base damage of the heavy would need to be better given they are lower than normal. Or the sweet spot damage should be quite a bit better to counter act the low damage outside of it.
Having those weapons with the normal MV of their respective classes heavies and charged heavies would be perfectly fine because the throwing attacks already deal very low stance damage.
Basically it gets a benefit (range), but two negatives (damage, stance damage). From should have picked a single negative, and the stance damage is the better choice imo.
The wiki states that they are affected by the Arrow’s reach talisman.
The increase in damage is almost ~70% (which is basically the range increase provided by the talisman)
The smithscript cirques don't have damage dropoff like the hammer, axe, and spear do, they deal full damage even at max distance. They're still good weapons, but all the other smithscript stuff definitely needs help.
Also for some reason the smithscript spear's attacks cost WAY more stamina than other spears, or other smithscript weapons. If you observe your stamina bar while doing a running heavy attack particularly, you'll see a huge chunk get deducted twice in quick succession.
Honestly idk why the damage drop off is so bad, like get they want these weapons to kinda be like bows but they already have worse range then bows so wtf lol
@@Grimsly3736I don’t know why they have drop off at all they have a range cap that is much shorter than bows and other ranged weapons. It makes no sense
@@isaacdayton4962 true they should realistically have none or give them more range but still tweak the numbers, it’s a bit ridiculous I can’t hit a guy across a normal sized room with the Smithscript Daggers R1
@@isaacdayton4962 i get the theory behind it, considering they _are_ melee weapons striking at ranges that even some spells struggle with. in practice it's definitely far too drastic, tho
The spear is ironically the worst weapon to use at range, at least out of the Smithscript weapons I've tried (spear, axe, greathammer). The hammer is your best option if you want to hit something hard from a distance, and the axe, while having range just as bad as the spear, has it's very versatile jumping throw that allows you to keep the pressure up while being evasive. Don't even try using the spear on Torrent; the only way you're gonna do any appreciable damage with the throw is at close range, and at that point you may as well use a better weapon.
Even after the scaling nerf the axe and hammer both still feel fine to me on a flame art infusion (at RL60+12), haven't tried the others. I wanted to try the Golem Fists but from what I've heard they're not worth the time it takes to farm for them. I'd like to see the effect the Arrow's Reach Talisman has on them be the baseline and remove that interaction altogether just so I can free up a slot for something like Bull-Goats or Great-Jar's Arsenal, and an increase to their poise damage probably wouldn't hurt, especially for the hammer; the risk vs reward for getting a fully charged hammer toss off during a boss fight is incongruent with the time and stamina cost, the least it could do is some decent stance damage.
The patches are always coming for your optimized builds!
Yep, makes me not want to play these games until they are out for a while
If it seems broken don’t bother with it. There’s like a hundred weapons in the game to try, 4 getting nerfed makes it sound like it broke the game for people.
@@madjackgamingandfitness498 they even nerfed bad weapons like smithscript weapons...so no, fromsoft just has no idea what they are doing when it comes to itemization, everyone just handwaves it
@madjackgamingandfitness498
What I mean by that is that Chrightt is always being interrupted by patches. It is a bit of a theme by now that if he prepares an in-depth breakdown of anything, a patch will come to interrupt it!
@@countryc0unt They nerfed smithscript weapons casue the scaling was literally broken. This patch wasn't a full balance patch but rather a hotfix to some of the more broken things. There is a reason the patch was called 1.12.3 and not 1.13 like it would be with all the bigger patches. A true patch is probably still in the works and hopefuly that one buffs smithscript weapons throwing attacks.
After watching your Armored Core content, I knew you could be trusted when it came to Elden Ring. Thank you for the no bullshit info
Since this felt more like a hotfix patch for bugs, i really hope that with the next real patch they address some of the weapons and incantations/sorceries, most of them are really cool designed, but the damage numbers still need a lot of tweaking to make them balanced/viable.
I don’t need them all to be viable for pvp, i can’t even speak for that because the only multiplayer stuff i do is co-op, but it feels really underwhelming and not very satisfying, if for a lot of the new stuff, there’s just a better alternative from the base game. Don’t get me wrong, i don’t want them to be better than the base game stuff, just on par.
Especially with the spells i don’t get it, for the base game ones they rolled out a huge patch, increasing hyper armor basically across the board, only for them to make the same mistake again in the dlc.
I'm hoping for bayle's flame lightning to get infinite hyperarmor like it's better counterpart (dragonmaw). With it and the speel cancel speed there might be some neat stuff in pve
Some base game stuff still needs buffs, anyway. They just need proper feedbacks!
Bro. And these pvp players crying for nerfsnare pissing me off. I love the DLC in terms of the locations they added and even some of the new weapon classes. But most ashes, weapons and incantations are borderline useless when compared to the maingame items.
They introduced 8 weapon classes just to only have 2 of them be semi viable? It's so sad
@@rttrtt1374 there are a lot of bugged stuff that should immediately be addressed. Yes some of the stuff like perfume being utterly neutered is not great, but stuff thats clearly unintended like disc hurling inheriting right hand buffs is just not healthy to have. Despite that balance is still not quite there yet (just look at my babies colossal weapons and swords), they have shown to be actively listening to feedbacks from the player base, and a lot of the feedbacks, good and (very occassionally)bad, are from the pvp community.
@@sturmmagnunstein1008 rewards in the dlc feel lackluster 9 times out of 10. If they can adress broken things they should ao adress the rain of fire incantation doing less than a 100 damage per tick at 50 faith.
Most weapons you get are straight up useless in this dlc. I'm not closeminded i used Milady, the beast claw, Renallas twin blades is my favorite but outside of that i don't think anything else has proven useful to me.
I still don't understand why they introduced a whole class of cool throwing weapons, only to dumpster them pretty much out of the gate. I was so looking forward to throwing daggers, and the incredibly short range and intense damage-dropoff even at that has just made them feel bad at every step of using them...
Throwing daggers are quite strong in pvp, because you kinda have to always be strafing them to avoid chip. Scattershot throw is also pretty ridiculous with the number of headshots it gets you.
@@placeholder3907 Yeah, they can be a great pressure tool, and the general consensus is that Scattershot Throw AoW is the most viable thing about them in either play style, but that doesn't change the fact that the super-limited range and damage dropoff makes them FEEL bad. I appreciate trying to look on the positive side, but I just can't help but feel like they came up with these throwing weapons and then decided preemptively to under-power and under-range them for fear of... what, making them fun?
@@ChronoShadow69consider the DLC weapon types (other than perfume) to be a preview of what's to come in future FromSoft games
This would be a lot easier if fromsoft actually put out good patch notes. Like, other games will have patch notes saying "reduced X to Y" or "reduced A by B%" but fromsoft just goes "yeah we uh, we changed a thing" and sometimes *that isn't even true!*
Also yeah the carian sword before was absolute trash as a catalyst. I haven't tried it out since the update, but as an int build in NG+... i still expect very little from it. Which is a shame, it's such a cool idea. They really need to give it more to turn it from "oh, that's a neat gimmick, be nice if i could make it viable" to "oh, wow, that's cool, let's use this". In lore, it's kind of supposed to be older, so I get making it weaker, but when it's on par with the staff explicitly considered awful by the academy, used by demi humans, something's wrong.
ah, so _this_ is an example of one of those sneering fools
@@hi-i-am-atan Truly expecting the patch notes to neither be incredibly obtuse or sometimes just outright lies is entitled
Please, lore never mattered in terms of balance of combat in these games, look at Elden Stars or Primordial current sorceries. Meanwhile you have some random trashy weapon like Clayman Harpoon being super powerful.
@@TheSeth256
The listing of great, legendary armaments of the game made no mention of the piece of corrugated steel on a stick used by the Vulgar Militia, for some mysterious reason.
It’s probably weaker so that there’s still a reason to use staffs. If it does comparable damage while also being able to do damage with normal attacks then there’s no reason to ever use a staff again in casual play
I don't know why From is so afraid to add recovery to these new high-mobility ashes. All they need to fix swift slash at this point is just... give it meaningful recovery. Make it more of a finisher, or something you do to cross people up, than just a free pressure spam tool.
They should give it slower startup so you cant spam it at all and make it so it doesnt stun
@@YokaiGotha I wouldn't mind the trail of slashes not having hitstun, definitely, but slower startup doesn't mean as much if the recovery is too low, since its a mobility ash you can use from a distance anyways.
HOBO!!!
Edit also I agree with your statement
Meanwhile colossals are still trapped in monster hunter lands... Please from...
Yeah why don't they make more ashes and weapons in the DLC useless bottem tier garbage? Every remembrance weapon already being trash isn't enough.
Its so odd to refer to smithscript weapons double dipping on infusions a bug considering erdsteel dagger had and still has this feature since release. Physical scaling with nonphysical attributes should be strong to make them stand out more instead of nerfing the scaling of all of them down to D and still being stuck with lackluster throwing damage. Hopefully in the future patches, they round out the rough edges of these weapons.
This. No one is causing a ruckus because its just a dagger. Maybe I’ll make a build with sacred/flame art infused aow that buffs it like sacred blade, see how high that AR gets. Horned warriors greatsword has faith scaling to physical dmg but its somber unfortunately.
@@MichaelWhite-te3qi I've done an entire playthrough of it and managed over 1k AR before I killed Elden Beast. (I did put it on my channel but I suck at commentating)
@@DaSharkCraftMC Fantastic! I’ll try and take it into pvp with multi-hit talismans(not too sure if you used those) and the new fire knight helm and see what it can do.
My schizo take is that it was never actually a bug but Fromsoft decided to walk back on it after so many youtubers made "omg these weapons are SO BUGGED" videos, completely forgetting about the smithscript dagger.
If it wasn't intentional for them to get high damage on int/fth infusions then why are smithscript weapons specifically not allowed to get most of the buffing ashes like cragblade or sacred blade? The only explanation for that deliberate choice that makes sense is if it was 100% intentional.
I hope the negativity doesn’t get to you too hard buddy.
I appreciate all the hardcore numbers and testing you do for a lot of us.
4:57 I think what they actually changed was the recovery on the uncharged R2 before you could roll out of it, because you had to wait for almost the whole animation of putting the weapons to your side again (it was about 2-3 seconds after the swing ended before you could roll). Now the recovery is normal.
that's so fucking stupid. I loved my 2h Paladin Build fucking Yeeting the 2h Scripthammer around. Come on man.
I was looking forward to making this sort of build on my next playthrough but rip.
Smithscript weapons :c
They're so fun and I love them to death but I only found discus hurl to be good because it has a bunch of silly shenanigans going for it, especially since I was accidentally buffing it....
Smithscript Hammer is still very fun due to the simple fact that the charged heavy is a piercing, ranged knockdown on any enemy that can be knocked down. Chucking that thing never gets old
Fire Knight Greatsword lost the R1 > R1 combo, but since it has the Godslayer GS' R1s it still has access more true combos than most Colossals; WaZeus has a vid showcasing them. Plus not being locked to The Queen's Black Flame means there's probably some other nasty combos no one has found yet.
Yeah, like the godslayer it looks like it was meant to be a fast colossal sword, but they probably screwed up somewhere so that even its R1 was true. Definitely still a solid weapon.
It's _probably_ still the best Colossal Sword, at least for Faith builds. It's the best Colossal Sword for going Flame Art, and Flame Skewer and Flame Spear are both great new options for Ashes of War that have the projectile portions scale with your Faith, and of course going Faith gives you access to the new amazing Fire Serpent and the old reliable Catch Flame. It has the superior poking heavy attacks of the Zweihander that pseudo-animation blends with crouch pokes as both moves having very similar startups, while also having the crouch poke into light attack true combo of the Godslayer's Greatsword, both of which the GUGS does not have. Of course, a Heavy GUGS with something like Chilling/Poisonous Mist is still amazingly good, but the new stuff has made a build path that was mostly considered kind of niche into something that is a bit more comparable to the meta.
@@michaelbowman6684 I was doing some fiddling with an 80/80 dex/faith build for something else, and Flame Art FKGS was still 5 AR ahead of Godslayer's, despite the Dex barely doing anything for it. It's nuts.
I love scrolling the comments for these videos. The player (your) testimonials are just as invaluable.
I just got hit with the Flame Skewer followup -> R1 true combo in pvp a few hours ago, post patch, but I think most people knew that one. I'm sure there are more.
Smith script weapons don't make sense their Range is too small for the damage it does, it's better just using a jump attack to gap close
I'm fucking livid about these Smithscript nerfs. I'm trying to do another playthrough post nerf and they do NO damage. The best build I can make is a Guard Counter build with the deflect tear. The range the Cirques get are great for it, but they do absolutely fuck all. No poise, no damage, middling status and worst of all, they broke the logic they put forth with the Erdsteel Dagger, that innate faith on physical only scales physical damage. 99 in Str, Dex, Int, and Faith on a Cold affinity gets barely 700 damage and there isn't a single affinity that can take ANY WEAPON BUFFS AT ALL. Literal garbage. They should have just nerfed the Flame Art, Sacred, and Magic infuisions' Faith and Int scaling instead.
Edit: The downside of having weapons that can be thrown should be the lack of stance damage. Having a lack of actual damage as well is too much and adding the fact that they can't get weapon buffs makes it so much worse. I understand that engine limitations probably necessitated the lack of weapon buffs, but all the smithscript weapons should be on the high end of their classes' damage to make up for that. It doesn't need to be 20%, even 5% more than the next best is perfect.
I fully agree. Just nerf PVP and leave PVE alone.
The throwing part is supposed to be their main strength, meanwhile From makes them do fuck-all and drops off their damage at range... IMO no weapons should have range drop-off of damage, it's extremely hard to hit anything at max range anyway.
As someone who was throwing kukris for 120 damage before the dlc the smithscript weapons are busted. You just have to temper you expectations and use the bigger ones like the axe or hammer.
@@AndreasPrawdzik Kukris have actual range though.
"Actually, these weapons were supposed to be bad. Them being any good was a bug, please understand, they are now fuctioning as intended, not at all."
All of the new DLC weapon types being lined up and shot under this logic, leaving a bunch of "never ever" weapons that nobody will ever genuinely use outside of a challenge run making fun of them is so strange and sad.
Why even bother making them if they're just going to be horrid?
Of the 103 weapons, and like, what is it, 50 spells, why are so many so unbelievably bad? And why are they so timid about any of them actually being not unbelievably bad?
It's not like these things are even above the best stuff from the base game. You still have Rivers of Blood, the Blasphemous Blade, Moonveil, Night Comet, Rot Breath. Many of these HAVE been nerfed, in a way that preserves their basic utility.
I feel like there shouldn't be any damage drop off for thrown weapons.
By the way I appreciate you being one of the only RUclipsrs that is serious and straight to the point about this stuff, down to the numbers.
You wouldn't know how much I'd like to have a calculated source on all my patch notes, but huge changes, like the normal parry startup frame acceleration still haven't been documented anywhere with proof from the code
Its been recorded in elden ring frame data explorer since the day before dlc. Weapon parry starts at frame 5
The distance buff on the thrown daggers and cirques could be described as being less awful, as opposed to "better"...
They're only a slight increment increase in range compared to before. Barely perceptible.
The weak damage on the daggers makes it inconsequential anyways.
it feels like from was nervous about giving them too much range because they could cheese things too easily or make bows obsolete or something, but overcompensated way too hard.
I wonder if the arrows reach talisman helps
@@luke_of_astora I'd been wondering the same thing actually....given the effect on thrown pots the old talisman had. I haven't gotten around to testing it though. Good point.👍
You can ask limit breakers on how they get resistance numbers to show up in game to help test update changes
A fromsoft classic for the ages, introduce cool new weapon types and then make them extremely subpar so everyone uses other stuff, great decisions all around 👍
The amount of shade thrown in this video would make the Scadutree look like the Erdtree
4:56 I'm pretty sure they also fixed an issue with the standard backhand blades where the delay before you could roll out of the recovery of the uncharged heavy attack of backhand blades (when 2-handing it at least) was significantly longer than it should be.
With a bit of my own personal testing with Carian Sorcerer Sword, the damage is a lot less than the Carian Regal Scepter for a lot of spells... But I noticed the sword spells (aside from Adulas) deal only slightly less. Makes me wonder if there's a hidden modifier there.
Interesting. Hope more testing is done. I really want there to be some niche use.
RIP my Smithscript Axe... I'll miss you buddy.
In regards to the smithscript cirque feint attack, I was using them earlier and noticed you can only use the feint if you have it equipped in your right hand. If its in your offhand and you two hand it, you cant feint. Havent noticed this on any other feint attacks
normal Miyazaki attention to detail
@@RagnellAvalon Damn, that's a cool new weapon, nice work team. What does it do? Oh you don't know? Have you tried it out? Like literally hit one enemy with it to see that it blatantly doesn't work? No? Release it NOW!
The patch notes basically read like: "Oh no people think most of the dlc rewards suck. We better make sure they think ALL of them suck."
"We deeply apologize. This entire weapon class was made bad on purpose, as a joke. Them being good was an oversight on our part. Please understand. They have been fixed to better reflect their intended use, that is to say, none."
At least discus hurl is still a good backup weapon for strength builds
Yeah it still doing pretty decent numbers for me heavy Infused plus the angle it’s thrown makes it saucy for mix ups or hitting PvE from weird angles
I tried smithscript axes a few days ago with cold infusion. It did between 200 to 1000 damage and was the most inconsistent thing ever. Hopefully they even this out a bit.
thats how cold work, sometimes it procs frostbite and does a ton, sometimes doesnt
@@archie143 I'm pretty sure he's talking about the throwing damage dropoff. It's pretty noticeable.
Yooo! I just found a change in the patch that wasn't listed. The standing and changed r2 on the smith script daggers used to consistently swing too far to the right and would often consistently miss medium and small sized foes. The patch has changed it so that the standing and charged r2 hit just the same as all of the other attacks. After the nerf, it isn't much but it's something. =)
Loved seeing people be like “alright let’s check the carian sorcery swords new scaling” and have only a +10 sword equipped instead of +25, and be like “yeah it still casts like shit not worth using”
its like the people that play a game complaining about the story and lore but never read anything got their hands on a shituber channel and said "yeah i can crank out souls slop daily"
To be fair, they probably thought it was a somber weapon but it's not.. for some reason.
They left swift slash pretty much as it was, damage was like 30% of the problem 💀
Also I'm so excited about the catalyst, it's literally the thing projectile spammers needed to upgrade to a engaging and fun playstyle
Ah i saw a RUclipsr use the hammer and i figured hey id get the spear on my dex magic build and put magic on it. Once i saw the damage drop i knew i wasted my runes but i just thought the spear was wildly inferior to the hammer. I didn't realize they nerfed it the DAY i decided to try it out so i could save fp.
Chrightt, please PLEASE make a dedicated video to hybrid catalysts like the Carian Sorcery Sword and ESPECIALLY the Staff of the Great Beyond!
Thanks for being a consistent source of reliable info! I don't even bother reading Fromsofts patch notes and just wait for your videos at this point
Yeah i didn't wanna use smithscript dagger anyways thnx from.. :(
Carian Sorcery Sword seems like it's only interesting niche would be to use it paired with another thrusting sword, with parry AoW. Otherwise, it needs unique frame data (2H) with more interesting magic cancel windows and/or the ability to select an AoW.
It is within the top 2 sorcery staffs until 45 int and scales well until 50 int remaining in the top 4.
2 hand it with a relevant staff on your back, have instant access to sorceries or 2 handed poise damage r1s? Is that not a decent niche?
@@frazfrazfrazfraz a funny thing with that is that thrusting sword poise damage is not actually that much better than that of staves
i was planning to use it with the main gauche cause the moveset is pretty fun, but it was so garbage i switched to another thrusting sword, but i figure it'd be worth using now with it!
I literally was only still playing for the smithscript weapons, they were the only new weapons that really felt game changing and worth exploring to me. Then as soon as I finish a whole new run just to make a build with them they’re completely trash. Extremely depressing and frustrating
Same.
You WILL use katanas and you WILL like it.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290literally bro it’s like damn bleed build backhands it is if I want to do damage 😭😭😭
The insane perfume bottles def needed a nerf, but I wish they had kept the tech and left the weapons alone for a bit with just the damage nerfs/fixes.
Most people can't even be arsed to test their own assumption ingame which would take them like 10 minutes to do so. Im very thankful you are evaluating your data thoroughly before releasing your videos!
I don’t watch anyone else’s patch notes but yours bc everyone else kinda sucks
Thank you for all your hard work like always. You’re a real one Chrightt
Smithscript greathammer done dirty. Also they didn’t patch the stupid black steel greathammer bug
What bug?
There's no need to rush your videos out.
We subscribe and pay attention to your coverage because of accuracy and quality.
I appreciate that.
Always wait for chrightt's patch videos
Thanks for always providing accurate info, love your work.
IMO, regarding throwing weapons in general - if they don't triple the cut-off range/normal range, they should at least double (or even triple) the damage of throwing attacks.
Like, specifically just the throwing attacks.
And I say "throwing weapons" because it's not exclusively a problem for smithscript weapons. Messmer's Spear is a bit lackluster on the throwing attacks, only being sort of cool when charged due to the delayed detonation having some niche uses.
Hells, for every throwing attack at far range, a fully charged toss is less damaging than a simple R1 in melee. It only outdamaged a light attack at melee range. Some even did comparable damage to a dagger R1. This was even on elemental infusions before the patch. It's... genuinely pathetic.
Smithscript (and related weapons) throwing attacks need a god tier buff.
I really hope we get a patch that changes the Swift Spear to have the multi hitting heavy attacks of the Cleanrot and other spears. It's clearly a status weapon, but it has really bad heavies for that purpose due to its abysmal length.
yay! my favorit youtuber for going over patch notes finally made the vid! also, rip the smithscript weapons, my favorit one was the throwing daggers, but they feel like they do too little damage now
I appreciate your thoroughness.
Nooo, my completely broken thrusting shield strat!
I found out about it after the final boss and it was weirdly fun to be able to stand in front of enemies and spam the blocking attack during their attack strings, as you would be completely unphased. That goes for the final boss, too. It's a good thing they fixed it, but it was still really fun.
Love the sorcery sword.
Only wish it had no ash of war, so i could attack one handed with the carian thrusting shield. Good offhand weapon now though.
even if its a bug fix its hard to take that they nerfed the coolest new weapon type bc the smithscripts even bugged did no real damage T_T
The motion value of these throws is lower than usual and the severity of the dropoff is just too severe...
I fully agree.
thank you so much for these, nobody looks at the actual changes
Ultimate casul player baby food patch
Perfume 1 shot was an adequate counter to swift slash, you could toss it at your feet knowing they where moving your way.
Now everyone is just spamming messmers L2 with fingerprint shield
goty
Appreciate the quality informative video over any BS quick vid. 🙏 Thank you.
One of the fixes was that they fixed the affinity of Fire Knight's Greatsword or something like that. I was hoping it was the fact that when elemental infusing it (at least with Cold and Magic) it loses its fire damage, or at least the fire damage property, so you can't reset frostbite with it. They didn't fix that. Maybe it's actually intended but I feel it wouldn't be as op as it sounds if they changed it.
It's not OP in the first place... You lose the 20% dmg buff and bleed does the same better...
I appreciate you my man.
The throwing weapon damage drop off feels unreasonably steep. Like, sure, they don't want to give you an infinitely spammable effective ranged attack, but the range is already pretty short-they drop off so fast rn that they really just feel useless outside of basically melee range and this means that I would much rather have a normal heavy attack than that crap. The throwing daggers are the only ones that felt like they performed because their throwing attacks were fast enough to give you effective ability to fight annoying enemies at midrange. I never used them for a boss but I wonder if being extremely quick + having long reach would have made the throwing daggers effective for things like the final boss.
I can’t wait for the updated weapons analysis.
Here's my ideal rework for smithscript weapons.
In real life, the better a weapon is at longer rages, the worse it typically is at closer ranges. IMO these should have inverse damage fall-off and weaker melee movesets so they are at their worst in close range* and at their best at maximum range (this also introduces a sweet spot in that you maximize damage by landing hits at the peak of their range, rewarding good spacing with a higher skill ceiling). Also each smithscript weapon would specialize in what kind of "damage" flavor it excels at - high raw damage/poise damage/status build-up (relatively, eg. I'm not saying the poise-focused one should do the same poise damage as great hammers), and various combinations of these.
Axe: high raw damage
Hammer: high poise damage
Dagger: high status
Shield: medium raw damage and poise damage
Spear: medium poise damage and status
Cirque: medium status and raw damage
...although this might mean swapping a faith or int stat requirement to arcane in order to improve the relative status build-up. An alternative would be just focusing on raw damage/poise damage in combination with slash/impact/pierce damage types for variety. _Something_ along these lines to give them strength/tradeoff niches while all being ideal at doing _something_ at range.
*Some might say that making them weaker in close range isn't much of a disadvantage when you can just quickly swap to a better melee weapon, but this does incur a cost to weight limit. If needed, an additional balancing measure could be increasing the weight of smithscript weapons to give them a bigger drawback as part of a loaded arsenal... although some might also say that the back pocket/offhand niche is one the coolest things about them. Maybe in that context, a focus on poise damage/status with low raw damage across the board would be ideal, making them truly offhand support. YMMV.
the cirque changes feel better; but smithscript weapons need some buffs for real.
I did notice that the axe's throw would lose a ton of damage with distance. it's clearly too much compared to the other weapons (I never used the spear and I guess it's the same).
Players: Hey, these throwing weapons are really cool! Good job, Fromsoft!
Fromsoft: No! You must suffer!
Raise your hand if you’re still 1.12.2.🙋🏾♂️😂
Let's cope and hope this is just the Hot fix patch and the buff patches will come soon
Smithscript Shield, my beloved... the only Smithscript that could not be infused yet still is the only useful weapon in this branch.
Thanks for the vid. I'd say Carian sorcery sword still needs a bit more to be really good, but its viable now at least. I tried it in a parry centric setup with a shield as a parry tool for carian retalliation since it has 110 crit rating. Not the strongest thing but really fun, only sad part is that I think nothing about the weapon combos with the spells so its more of a spellstick and the damage itself on regular attacks isnt anything to write home about.
Your videos are wonderful, I appreciate you
5:06 also the dragon hunting great katana have a Feint charged attack. I'm not sure about other great katanas tho. Overall this weapon have almost the same animations as katanas from Monster Hunter series.
The patch notes also mention "Fixed a bug where the attack affinity of some attacks of the Fire Knight's Greatsword were different than expected"
But I haven't seen any explanation for which affinities were changed and whether they were buffed or nerfed. Does anyone know?
I'm not in a position to test anything right now but word on the street is the Sacred affinity was getting a substantial AR boost instead of Flame Art like the description suggests.
At 80 int, it seems the Carian Sorcery Sword is almost exactly 290 sorcery scaling. But you get this in the DLC, so who is supposed to want this at that point? If you got it in Liurnia, it'd have been a dope early-mid-game item.
The people who want their pokey stick and their casting stick to be the same stick.
@@brocksteele7475Just use Carian Piercer, it's better.
@@brocksteele7475 Then they have a bad stick for both.
Agree
This would have potential as a midgame weapon.
As a deep late game weapon it's a joke. A character isn't hurting for ways to bridge non-entirely synergistic elements of a build at this point, and the difference between slapping on a good weapon (that you already have) that doesn't even scale off your primary stat, and equipping a half assed weapon like this is just too big to take this thing seriously. Let alone picking up any of the weapons that ACTUALLY support such a playstyle, better than this thing.
Look at the Heysel Pick in DS3. Nobody but the determined is actually taking this thing to endgame, but it actually does have pretty good viability during the midgame... when you find it. It's not gonna hold up when you get to the optimization stage of your character, but it's helpful and convenient for getting you there.
I think there are a lot of designs in the DLC that Miyazaki forgot to deny. Imagine actually hitting someone with a long dead limb, and instead of it falling apart, it causes heavy bleeding. Imagine hitting someone with a big long dead plant. What the...
On top of the throwing weapons damage being nerfed I am still unable to use some weapon arts with them that should work...
Almost makes you think their high damage was actually intentional 🤔
The shade 😂.
as long as they don’t touch the milady i’ll be happy
I still believe the axe has a good niche. The jump heavy on it staggers from a reasonable distance and combos into swords dance which is great for setting frostbite on the more tanky knights.
Chrightt the goat !
fwiw I always come here for the numbers, only started watching when you were doing AC6 stuff
Thank you for your hard work dude.
At 50 magic and with magic infusion, the Cirque was my First non boss weapon for dmg output, unfortunately It went down in sixth Place.
However its still functional with the fast paced enemies and bosses, this Is the set im currently using: claw talisman + Raptor of mist + rotten winged Insignia + Jump attacks enhanching set + crimson sapping cracked tear and opaline tear
This also works wonders with backhand Blade
swift slash, please...i'd like to introduce you to Milady, Blinkbolt, milicent prosthesis, and godskin cloth ;3
and raw damage isn't the point of the Carian Sorcery Sword, it's being able to use any sorcery as part of your moveset along with the rapier itself, thrust to slicer, or greatsword, or piercer, or gavel, or adula at a moment's notice, preferably while holding a shield in your other hand, the Carian thrusting shield is good for that. it needed a buff, sure, but it was never intended to be your main blaster for ranged spells
But the rapier kinda sucks at this because you can't do guard counters, jumping or dashing heavies, ect. All of the actual things you want to do with a weapon like this in the first place. You'd unironically be better off just using a normal weapon with an Intelligence scaling Ash than this, if the idea of the three handed sword, board, and mage playstyle appeals to you, and you're allergic to weapon swapping. If only there were several weapons that excelled at this. But alas.
It would have actually been able to do what you're describing if it could cast as its ash of war (Hmmm if only Fromsoft had figured this out once before, and not lost the technology to history, like curbs. But alas.). As it stands, it's just a third thumb in the worst possible ways. Can't function as a weapon, can't function as a staff, and worse at bridging this gap than several things already in the game. This isn't a weapon that can cast, it's a staff with a better than average bonk.
This isn't a Demon Scar or a Heysel Pick, this is a Tin Banishment Catalyst. And the Manus Catalyst disowns this thing as a relative, since it excels at BOTH casting and bonking. More of a smash than a bonk in the Manus Catalyst's case.
the patch sage finally dropped
You are the patch prophet bro, no one else does it like you.
4:12 The Smith script Shield doesn’t need rebalancing, it hits decently and the low FP cost is to encourage use.. not many people want to use a shield to begin with.
It’s also very easily dealt with in pvp, simply close the gap between you both.. skill issues if you die to this. 😅
Arrows reach and sting both work on the throwing hammer not sure about the others
Ok im not saying gazing finger is the greatest weapon ever but the fact that you can activate the weapon skill in the middle of miriams finger is nuts
I ended up using Spectral Lance on my Smithscript Spear. At this point, I don't even have a reason to use this weapon anymore other than using it on Torrent
the sorcery sword is actually the best int catalyst when you have around 40 inteligence
Because many people are entering this post-Mohg DLC with 40 intelligence.
Actually, some people are, but these people are using the Prince of Death staff, so don't really care about this one.
Curseblade still has no faint attacks
The damage is absolutely a main issue with the ash....
i watched youwy's video and he said carian sorcery sword is like top 3 staff now
The new great katana also has a feint I'm pretty sure
I tested the Bloodfiend Arm charged R2 with 46arc against NG+7 sewer omens, it did insta proc bleed twice, after the 3rd hit I had to hit the omen with a weapon which had 100+ bleed buildup to get the third proc. Then I tested the running R2 of a Godskin Peeler with Seppuku (~170 buildup with 250mv on the running attack), it got two insta bleed procs and after the third one it was enough to hit the omen with the Bloodhound Fang to get the third proc. I think it's safe to say thay the Bloodfiend's Arm charged R2 has around 200% status mv.
Im happy the smith Daggers are actually usable now. Before, you couldn't kite with them whatsoever.
Not just discus hurl being strong and spammable, but Nanaya's Torch is still arguably busted- the madness buildup wasn't changed and while erratic it can easily trigger madness on normal resistances in one burst at long range, which effectively true combos into whatever high damage ~2 second windup you want. Well other than command grabs like greatsword of damnation, but its not hard to 100-0 people with direct damage instead of glitched deathblight
The smithscript nerf was insanely disappointing, I was using smithscript daggers on sacred as a sidearm to my erdsteel dagger, and it didnt do insane damage, but it was a useful uptime tool, now its just straight bad.
So bummed about the smithscript weapons...really wanted them to be a viable build but it seems they are nothing more than a gimmick
The shield is still good
The shield is still good
The shield is still good
The shield is still good
I kinda like them with a status infusion to keep pressure up when enemies are out of melee range, mostly as an alternative to ranged options that have limited ammo.
Obviously, they aren't strong on their own, or even the best at what I'm using them for, but they're still fun.
So far, I like having the spear with Ice Spear AoW on it
I am so mad about wasting my ancient dragon stones on smithscript weapons. Their R2s are a gimmick at best. The high damage R1s on int/fth infusions were the real reason to even bother with them.