I’m post-Mil playing the long game here from Japan. Planting a classical Christian school and desiring to see my area be the center of Christian work and witness in central Japan in a few generations. We work not in vain!
Hello Men! I am a conservative baptist type--though the church I attend is non-denominational. I can’t ‘get there’ on Post Millennialism (or infant baptism) but I want to say that I love you and what you are doing--I think you may be the best thing happening in the American church at present. This message was great, thanks for the encouragement to not get gloomy and shrill. I think the sovereignty of God is 98% of what makes you guys what you are--and Post Mill is probably a much smaller element than you imagine. I appreciate what you said about Pre-Mills and A-mills being able to have the same cheerful warrior optimism that you do--and I agree, I think as a pre-mill (thus far) I mostly do, but your encouragement to stay optimistic is valuable to me. I think you guys are wonderfully balanced--I know I could attend Doug’s church and not feel like an outsider. I also loved your conversation on daughters--- I am an old guy with a ten year old that I am trying to raise to love the lord and to be the type that lesser men fear to approach. (She has read quite a few of Nate’s books BTW). I am a big fan of Doug and all of you. Keep up the Good Work, JB in SC
What got me to postmil, is the only uses in the OT of the heavens burning up, stars falling etc., was used in the OT, signifying a worldly kingdom falling. Then Jesus saying some of the disciples would see these things happen, and the within a generation reference, and the kingdom was at hand, and "at the door", and the fact that Neros(reek or hebrew) name(as a cipher) is 666, followed by the actual events happening that Jesus would say would happen.
Post-mills and amills are the majority, though. Only Low-Church evangelicals are pre-mills. The rest of Protestantism, Catholicism, Orthodoxy, and the other two Apostolic Churches all hold to a post-mill or a-mill view, leaning towards a post-mill view. That's been the historical position, too. Dispensationalism is a recent invention.
Hello brother!!! Also a Lutheran. I watch these guys trying to figure out how we get some of what they have into our fellowships. We have a lot of the same beliefs.
Another great episode. I’m loving the fatherly advice and encouragement to look for something to obey from my daily bible reading. A simple thing to do but not easy. It’s an opportunity to look to Christ for strength and help.
43:21 on cultural intuitions, and the transition from conscious practice to intuitive wisdom is such a great consideration. In light of the Fatherhood of God, the practical reality of embodying that smile in participating as a family with a particular people in worship and in hospitality, and then pushing into the unity to all the saints in faith, is glorious. Good words on postmillenialism, jokes, beginning in faith with small things, preface to Paradise Lost by Lewis, against Leviathan State education for your daughter and for a liberal arts quality wisdom. Adorning her well so she can adorn her godliness in good works is awesome. As long as the next campaign isn't "Wanted: women willing to throw off their idols, like this woman throws off their clothes" with a bikini babe who's now a Christian who regrets that picture, only there for a nanosecond, to attract the right kind of woman. Seems a great pivot of a focus. But, also seems like we could do with some solid accounting of why we all shudder at what I just wrote, and why we're insistent that intent and only a particular silo of circumlocution was everything with that bird that flew the coop earlier.
Thank you, so much great teaching and courage, God bless you all. Sad too many are critical of appearance, and miss the many gems, Lord help us to see! Thank you.
@1:00. Having a long view makes sense if it can be established. When established it is a reference point for all future agendas. Consider that we look back to Abraham and Moses in the Bible because of the plans they established for Israel. Likewise, we look back to the founders in America. In the 1990s, we looked back to Billy graham's movement. The Moscow mood should be nourished and not treated lightly because it will be used by us (young folk) to reference and establish future like minded movements.
I'm studying to be a reformed (continental) pastor here in Brazil. It's funny 'cause I was thinking about a church with a 'mood', a specifically Scripture-driven purpose and/or...'aroma'. And this encouraged me a great deal.
Many many great points and truths here, thank you guys for that! We need to be completely accurate on every detail according to God's Word so the first problem is there is no Scripture in God's Word about any type of education that's not by the parents, where the parents maintain 100% responsibility and control. There is no Scripture from God that says we need a public or private education system, education actually from strangers (yes, that means even someone you call a friend that you think you know), education from someone who isn't your father and mother and yes you need both optimally, nor an education out of the home the majority of the time and again without parents. And you don't need a 'college' to have a 'higher education', in fact, the smartest people, the most successful people, are self-taught, meaning they didn't go to the so-called higher education facilities to get any kind of education. Although many have gone to higher education thinking the traditional deception and then renounce it after a year or four because they figured out that it is suboptimal, waste of time and money and they can do better on their own. This is reminiscent of Sunday building service from catholicism, we don't get that from God's Word we get that from traditions of men. The education system is traditions of men, having any age segregated education system out of the home is traditions of men and God said nothing about college... We need to get straight on the Catholicism issue and get back to God's Word solely: ruclips.net/video/impDPX2WxrU/видео.html
Wow there’s so many Douglas wilson when the man comes around is a good quick commentary, Kenneth gentry just released divorce of israel, he shall have dominion, house divided helped quite a bit, wars and rumors of wars, oh RC Sproul last days according to Jesus is really good one too
5:09 A verse that greatly shapes my eschatological view is Ezekiel c.36 v.35, especially since it is sandwiched between the richness of Ezekiel 36 and 37. I believe there is a physical rebuilding that follows a spiritual and moral rebuilding as God's kingdom "comes". So, as we see local destructions, judgment of cities or nations, we also begin to see God's elect filling and healing the desolate places.
Ezk36 v.34 And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by. v.35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited. v.36 Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the LORD build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I the LORD have spoken it, and I will do it. Very beautiful. Thanks.
The issue with the debate in eschatology is that we presuppose the conclusion and that causes the work from the beginning to the presupposed end to be extremely fuzzy. Let's start with what the Bible says and work forward. If you do that, you won't end up with any of the predominant views.
As some new to post mil eschatology and firmly in yet I don't know how to deal with for God so the the world that it will be saved as they discussed with the verse about the road is narrow
Thanks for your comment. I'm with you. John 3:16 gives us a famous 'whosoever,' but Matthew 7's 'whosoever' should be taken very seriously. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work ανομία. Therefore ^whosoever^ heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: and the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. This is, as you know, Jesus' description of the _few_ narrow-way sojourners. Cheers.
One of the most fascinating things about this video is that Doug Wilson shares the exact same view of "the world" as the modern American Christians who plaster John 3:16 on the sign and show up at the ball game. The little old book "And it Came To Pass" has been memory-holed. Did Canon Press deplatform Canon Press on eschatology?
37:54 so….Doug claims his parents raised him and his siblings in a ‘wasteland’ of Christian teaching and example of how to raise your kids as Christians….yet he also points back to that time as one which our culture has fallen from? In other words, America has become less Christian than a wasteland since then? No wonder Doug isn’t a reconstructionist. 😂😂
Yep, if I could afford tuition I’d move this next year as my son is in about to graduate high school I have 3 school aged children. I tell my wife I would literally trade body parts to get my kids to be NSA alumni
If you are in Austin Texas, you can find that kind of Moscow mood right where you are at Covenant Bible Church, located on the North Side of Austin! The pastor is Joel Webbon who is the President and Founder of Right Response Ministries. He has great content on RUclips and has a co-belligerent relationship with Doug Wilson and the guys in Moscow. He is Postmil, Theonomic, and 1689 Reformed Baptist. So not Presbyterian, but if I’m not mistaken his church does not withhold membership for those who hold paedobaptist convictions. If you aren’t already familiar, please check it out.
@@mattdoby5895 Yes! Joel Webbon has got great content on his channel and on X too. Solidly Biblical. A lot like the Moscow folks. He said there are a good many Presbyterians in his church. They agree on most things, just not on baptism. But he also said he will perform whichever one the people prefer!
@@kaylar3197 on the website it says 18k but I’m not sure if that’s a year or for the 4 years, because they don’t want the government involved they don’t accept Pell grants, it would be cool, i remember asking a few years ago if they accept GI Bill maybe things have changed since then
I’m first generation never met my father the family joke is I’m Abraham because I’m literally the patriarch, 5 boys 2 girls, boy is the weight heavy at times. Prodding along best I can.
I'm not Post-Mill and I'm probably more Catholic than the Pope. (But then who isn't these days?) But I appreciate this. A lot of wisdom on what our attitudes should be in light of God AND His People being victorious in the end.
The Pope is a great man if you only read what he writes and listen to what he says. You know the media lies and misrepresents things constantly; why assume headlines are true?
I’m Catholic too! More than Francis!! I appreciate and Respect Doug Wilson so much for creating a society of Following Jesus Christ is the only goal. I would love to attend his church one Sunday.
My analysis of this video: Doug called for this and picked the topic as a way of reigning in the soldier boys and doing damage control. This was more of a sermon to them. The bit about the shrill complaining, that would include middle finger advertising. He's not jumping ship but he's trying to find a face saving way for these guys to tell them, we're going to let Yahweh be in charge from now on more than Johnny Cash.
Maybe he’s beginning to realize the materials he’s been using in his ministry are gonna be destroyed by fire. But there’ll be a lot more building before the match gets lit.
@@interestedmeow maybe, I would like like to think my guess is right, if only for the sake of salvaging my opinion of Doug. I read and enjoyed his short book on postmillennialism. But you're exactly right about the fire 🔥 of course. You can already see it on the other account. Posters saying the middle finger isn't enough, saying an angrier response is necessary. So there it is, ever more war. Police today play at being soldiers, these preachers now want to be macho soldiers. The thing about Jesus that always reminds me of his divinity is not his miracles or his resurrection, it is his self sacrificial love. His call for us to emulate Him in this. That's got to be GOD. We're hooting baboons but he calls us to be more. More like Him. A preacher that tells you to give the middle finger is just preaching on how to be more like a baboon, not like Jesus.
@@TypicalTGreen but it doesn't seem to be a good thing that you've corrupted the meaning of holy fire. Remember what Jesus said when his disciples wanted to call down holy fire. Their desire was placed in their hearts by Satan.
But isn’t Postmill the damsel suffering from main character syndrome? Bad storyline I’m looking forward to the blessed hope Paul mentions in Titus 3:12 and ruling with Christ upon His return
Even with a post-mil view, it doesn't seem that the Kingdom of God will triumph on the Earth with a very skewed presentation and explanation of other eschatologies. Not only was the pre-mil view misrepresented, but the supposed critics pre-mil would have against post-mil and hisorycal optimism are also very badly stated.
@@ChristOrChaos2025 Well, it would obviously take several paragraphs to bring a holistic view of any position. Is there a specific point you are curious about?
Im starting a ministry encouraging Christians to think long term strategies..like better youth catechism, stronger youth relationship structures, better young adult partnerships, stronger community structures and group dynamics
@@DeaconBeanCooter well said except I think it's worse than that 😭😔 They don't know what it means to be a preacher. Instead they want to be Navy Seals like they see in the video games they play. Police now do the same thing. Security guards at the Goodwill store play at Navy Seals. The result is war everywhere you look in America. What happens when you give someone the middle finger? The offended person punches you in the face. The incarnate God Jesus Christ did everything possible to teach us NOT to give the middle finger. This total effort to reject violence went all the way up to the hill at Calvary. Turn the other cheek, walk an extra mile with the roman's kit, forgive one another a 1000 x 7... Never did Jesus say flip them off. Soldiers can never ever win the fight that we're in.
+canonpress #ActuallyAutistic *As the first autist in the 東宣北米神聖教會 OMS* (viz., Oriental Missionary Society) *Holiness Church of North America* (a Wesleyan conference offshot from majority Methodism, and the child conference o' the 東洋宣教會 Oriental Missionary Church, a society founded 1902 at 大日本帝國東京市 ᴛōᴋʏōꜱɪ (now 日本国東京都 ᴛōᴋʏōᴛᴏ), JPN), *I'm at agnosis on relational fundamentals; I've YET to develop Christology, Pneumatology, and Eschatology, as well as to experience a Guiding Relationship as defined by Steven E. Gutstein PhD.*
19:46 the KEY difference in what your arguing and what is actually happening is that every culture and history you bring up was pagan by default, or for so long it was default in all practical senses. What postmils are doing poorly is expecting they can change the momentum of a culture that is *increasing* in its rebellion, not stagnating or diminishing. It’s not even that I don’t believe that the Gospel can do this, it’s that a postmil who is so blind to the text that they think that they are owed the change in their lifetime simply because they believe it to be so, which is to say everyone sitting under these men’s teachings, is a postmil who will take up the sword to achieve it. And in doing so, will create an antichrist state whose rebellion is far greater than what they started with.
I'm not even postmil, but one thing the Moscow boys are very clear on is the long view. They don't teach that they are "owed change in their lifetime".
@@ThePristineFaith I didn't say anything about the Trinity. I'm not interested in the traditions of men. I asked you if you believe Jesus is God. More specifically, Every man has a spirit. Job32:8, Prov18:14, Ecc3:21, 1Cor2:11 The Scripture refers to this as "the spirit of a man." You, me, everyone. Jesus is a man. Jesus has a spirit. Is Jesus' spirit the Eternal Spirit of God? I say yes. What do you say?
So instead of Biblical eschatology we should just up for what’s “practical “? Sorry but I say this knowing Doug’s eschatology is unfortunately off and instead looking to worldly flesh driven descriptions like “practical “. Think I’ll just stick with Biblical thanks
@@ChristOrChaos2025 Do you believe there is a right and wrong eschatology and do you believe there could be serious consequences if you get it wrong? Understanding Eschatological views isn’t like picking ice cream flavours based on our preferences or becoming part of a tribe or movement, it’s understanding God’s will and preparing for what He has already laid out would happen and discerning the times and deceptions we are warned about and ultimately enduring in our faith. Wrong doctrine = wrong living and wrong application.
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I’m post-Mil playing the long game here from Japan. Planting a classical Christian school and desiring to see my area be the center of Christian work and witness in central Japan in a few generations. We work not in vain!
Bless you brother
Where in Japan?
@@caleb7494 Gunma Prefecture!
Man, that is awesome! May the Lord bless your work!
Yes and Amen Brother
Hello Men!
I am a conservative baptist type--though the church I attend is non-denominational.
I can’t ‘get there’ on Post Millennialism (or infant baptism) but I want to say that I love you and what you are doing--I think you may be the best thing happening in the American church at present.
This message was great, thanks for the encouragement to not get gloomy and shrill. I think the
sovereignty of God is 98% of what makes you guys what you are--and Post Mill is probably a much smaller element than you imagine. I appreciate what you said about Pre-Mills and A-mills being able to have the same cheerful warrior optimism that you do--and I agree, I think as a pre-mill (thus far) I mostly do, but your encouragement to stay optimistic is valuable to me.
I think you guys are wonderfully balanced--I know I could attend Doug’s church and not feel like an outsider.
I also loved your conversation on daughters--- I am an old guy with a ten year old that I am trying to raise to love the lord and to be the type that lesser men fear to approach. (She has read quite a few of Nate’s books BTW).
I am a big fan of Doug and all of you.
Keep up the Good Work,
JB in SC
Post--Mil is more than 2%
Thanks for watching, John!
What got me to postmil, is the only uses in the OT of the heavens burning up, stars falling etc., was used in the OT, signifying a worldly kingdom falling. Then Jesus saying some of the disciples would see these things happen, and the within a generation reference, and the kingdom was at hand, and "at the door", and the fact that Neros(reek or hebrew) name(as a cipher) is 666, followed by the actual events happening that Jesus would say would happen.
Post-mills and amills are the majority, though. Only Low-Church evangelicals are pre-mills. The rest of Protestantism, Catholicism, Orthodoxy, and the other two Apostolic Churches all hold to a post-mill or a-mill view, leaning towards a post-mill view. That's been the historical position, too. Dispensationalism is a recent invention.
Always bring Wade!
I would have loved to hear more from my man Wade but super glad he was here!
The more I learn about Moscow, the more I wanna move there
Me too
What an encouraging conversation. Delighting in your children is such a mutually uplifting way of life
As a Lutheran, greatly appreciate the work that you guys do.
Hello brother!!! Also a Lutheran. I watch these guys trying to figure out how we get some of what they have into our fellowships. We have a lot of the same beliefs.
@@dantuck6028 For sure, I would love to see that.
Also a Lutheran! Nice to see some of you guys here.
Another great episode. I’m loving the fatherly advice and encouragement to look for something to obey from my daily bible reading. A simple thing to do but not easy. It’s an opportunity to look to Christ for strength and help.
18 grandkids!? Respect. Great conversation.
Eschatology Matters!
There was this one show that talked about this kind of thing . . .
Solid faithful practical teaching, worth imitating. Thank you.
43:21 on cultural intuitions, and the transition from conscious practice to intuitive wisdom is such a great consideration.
In light of the Fatherhood of God, the practical reality of embodying that smile in participating as a family with a particular people in worship and in hospitality, and then pushing into the unity to all the saints in faith, is glorious.
Good words on postmillenialism, jokes, beginning in faith with small things, preface to Paradise Lost by Lewis, against Leviathan State education for your daughter and for a liberal arts quality wisdom. Adorning her well so she can adorn her godliness in good works is awesome.
As long as the next campaign isn't "Wanted: women willing to throw off their idols, like this woman throws off their clothes" with a bikini babe who's now a Christian who regrets that picture, only there for a nanosecond, to attract the right kind of woman. Seems a great pivot of a focus.
But, also seems like we could do with some solid accounting of why we all shudder at what I just wrote, and why we're insistent that intent and only a particular silo of circumlocution was everything with that bird that flew the coop earlier.
Born Fighting is a great book, and it did explain some of my family characteristics, (and characters) for me also.
Thank you, so much great teaching and courage, God bless you all. Sad too many are critical of appearance, and miss the many gems, Lord help us to see! Thank you.
@1:00. Having a long view makes sense if it can be established. When established it is a reference point for all future agendas. Consider that we look back to Abraham and Moses in the Bible because of the plans they established for Israel. Likewise, we look back to the founders in America. In the 1990s, we looked back to Billy graham's movement. The Moscow mood should be nourished and not treated lightly because it will be used by us (young folk) to reference and establish future like minded movements.
I'm studying to be a reformed (continental) pastor here in Brazil. It's funny 'cause I was thinking about a church with a 'mood', a specifically Scripture-driven purpose and/or...'aroma'. And this encouraged me a great deal.
Many many great points and truths here, thank you guys for that! We need to be completely accurate on every detail according to God's Word so the first problem is there is no Scripture in God's Word about any type of education that's not by the parents, where the parents maintain 100% responsibility and control. There is no Scripture from God that says we need a public or private education system, education actually from strangers (yes, that means even someone you call a friend that you think you know), education from someone who isn't your father and mother and yes you need both optimally, nor an education out of the home the majority of the time and again without parents. And you don't need a 'college' to have a 'higher education', in fact, the smartest people, the most successful people, are self-taught, meaning they didn't go to the so-called higher education facilities to get any kind of education. Although many have gone to higher education thinking the traditional deception and then renounce it after a year or four because they figured out that it is suboptimal, waste of time and money and they can do better on their own. This is reminiscent of Sunday building service from catholicism, we don't get that from God's Word we get that from traditions of men. The education system is traditions of men, having any age segregated education system out of the home is traditions of men and God said nothing about college...
We need to get straight on the Catholicism issue and get back to God's Word solely:
ruclips.net/video/impDPX2WxrU/видео.html
Yo. Wade is kicking it with these guys? This is getting me amped.
Same, fr
I'll admit my finite-ness struggles with 'long game' but it Is the best game. 🗺
What is the go-to book on postmill position?
Wow there’s so many Douglas wilson when the man comes around is a good quick commentary, Kenneth gentry just released divorce of israel, he shall have dominion, house divided helped quite a bit, wars and rumors of wars, oh RC Sproul last days according to Jesus is really good one too
Paradise Restored by David Chilton is a classic. You can get a free PDF online if that works for you. God bless :)
Pretty much anything by Kenneth Gentry.
"He Shall Have Dominion" by Kenneth L. Gentry is a gem. He just published a great 2 volume commentary on Revelation as well.
5:09 A verse that greatly shapes my eschatological view is Ezekiel c.36 v.35, especially since it is sandwiched between the richness of Ezekiel 36 and 37.
I believe there is a physical rebuilding that follows a spiritual and moral rebuilding as God's kingdom "comes". So, as we see local destructions, judgment of cities or nations, we also begin to see God's elect filling and healing the desolate places.
Ezk36
v.34 And the desolate land shall be tilled, whereas it lay desolate in the sight of all that passed by.
v.35 And they shall say, This land that was desolate is become like the garden of Eden; and the waste and desolate and ruined cities are become fenced, and are inhabited.
v.36 Then the heathen that are left round about you shall know that I the LORD build the ruined places, and plant that that was desolate: I the LORD have spoken it, and I will do it.
Very beautiful. Thanks.
What is this open room they meet in all the time?
I think it is just a lounge-type room at Canon Press.
@@kaylar3197 but it's so empty! 😂 yes, you're probably right.
Yeah, they probably try to limit through-traffic while they’re filming these. But you can see a few people passing through.
The issue with the debate in eschatology is that we presuppose the conclusion and that causes the work from the beginning to the presupposed end to be extremely fuzzy. Let's start with what the Bible says and work forward. If you do that, you won't end up with any of the predominant views.
seems sensible
"What the Bible says" is almost always codespeak for someone's viewpoint 😅😅😅
@@bigtobacco1098 Might be.
As some new to post mil eschatology and firmly in yet I don't know how to deal with for God so the the world that it will be saved as they discussed with the verse about the road is narrow
Thanks for your comment. I'm with you.
John 3:16 gives us a famous 'whosoever,' but Matthew 7's 'whosoever' should be taken very seriously.
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work ανομία. Therefore ^whosoever^ heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: and the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
This is, as you know, Jesus' description of the _few_ narrow-way sojourners.
Cheers.
One of the most fascinating things about this video is that Doug Wilson shares the exact same view of "the world" as the modern American Christians who plaster John 3:16 on the sign and show up at the ball game.
The little old book "And it Came To Pass" has been memory-holed.
Did Canon Press deplatform Canon Press on eschatology?
@timmartin4216 I’m not familiar with that book and there are multiple by that title. Who is the author?
I would really like to be able to understand this comment. Are you being critical or just sarcastic? Or both? Can you explain what you mean by it?
yes, interesting. Astute observation.
Love you Doug but you got the simple Jack if he was an extra in Peaky Blinders hair cut going
You nailed it 😂
His hair looks fine.
37:54 so….Doug claims his parents raised him and his siblings in a ‘wasteland’ of Christian teaching and example of how to raise your kids as Christians….yet he also points back to that time as one which our culture has fallen from?
In other words, America has become less Christian than a wasteland since then?
No wonder Doug isn’t a reconstructionist. 😂😂
I’m trying to convince my wife for us to uproot here in Austin Texas and Enjoy the Moscow mood and Saint Andrews. Pray that we find a way.
Yep, if I could afford tuition I’d move this next year as my son is in about to graduate high school I have 3 school aged children. I tell my wife I would literally trade body parts to get my kids to be NSA alumni
If you are in Austin Texas, you can find that kind of Moscow mood right where you are at Covenant Bible Church, located on the North Side of Austin! The pastor is Joel Webbon who is the President and Founder of Right Response Ministries. He has great content on RUclips and has a co-belligerent relationship with Doug Wilson and the guys in Moscow. He is Postmil, Theonomic, and 1689 Reformed Baptist. So not Presbyterian, but if I’m not mistaken his church does not withhold membership for those who hold paedobaptist convictions. If you aren’t already familiar, please check it out.
@brentheltonj6308 I thought that NSA had a fairly low tuition?
@@mattdoby5895 Yes! Joel Webbon has got great content on his channel and on X too. Solidly Biblical. A lot like the Moscow folks. He said there are a good many Presbyterians in his church. They agree on most things, just not on baptism. But he also said he will perform whichever one the people prefer!
@@kaylar3197 on the website it says 18k but I’m not sure if that’s a year or for the 4 years, because they don’t want the government involved they don’t accept Pell grants, it would be cool, i remember asking a few years ago if they accept GI Bill maybe things have changed since then
I missed this, no idea Audio Wade was with Cannon
It's true
I think he has been since he left Crowder. I wonder if he still has contact with Crowder and the crew
How does one "smoke" mushrooms? ;)
I’m first generation never met my father the family joke is I’m Abraham because I’m literally the patriarch, 5 boys 2 girls, boy is the weight heavy at times. Prodding along best I can.
Keep going! It's worship.
So I can start calling myself a “jolly premillennialist”? Nice.
It's a postmil slippery slope! Muhahahaha!
we'll allow it
Start by identifying as one! And never let anyone judge you!
Except for your eschatology won't allow for it.
For Those Saints who have been around these Brothers for a bit -what is it about Ben Merkle's questions n probing that is so insightful?
i would like to take aim at asking great questions, and follow-up/follow-thru the way Ben dis with Doug. Any notes of Truth to cling to.?.
Guys relax, pastor Doug is playing the long game with his haircut as well 😅
I'm not Post-Mill and I'm probably more Catholic than the Pope. (But then who isn't these days?) But I appreciate this. A lot of wisdom on what our attitudes should be in light of God AND His People being victorious in the end.
The Pope is a great man if you only read what he writes and listen to what he says. You know the media lies and misrepresents things constantly; why assume headlines are true?
I’m Catholic too! More than Francis!! I appreciate and Respect Doug Wilson so much for creating a society of Following Jesus Christ is the only goal. I would love to attend his church one Sunday.
My analysis of this video: Doug called for this and picked the topic as a way of reigning in the soldier boys and doing damage control. This was more of a sermon to them. The bit about the shrill complaining, that would include middle finger advertising. He's not jumping ship but he's trying to find a face saving way for these guys to tell them, we're going to let Yahweh be in charge from now on more than Johnny Cash.
Maybe he’s beginning to realize the materials he’s been using in his ministry are gonna be destroyed by fire. But there’ll be a lot more building before the match gets lit.
@@interestedmeow maybe, I would like like to think my guess is right, if only for the sake of salvaging my opinion of Doug. I read and enjoyed his short book on postmillennialism. But you're exactly right about the fire 🔥 of course. You can already see it on the other account. Posters saying the middle finger isn't enough, saying an angrier response is necessary. So there it is, ever more war. Police today play at being soldiers, these preachers now want to be macho soldiers. The thing about Jesus that always reminds me of his divinity is not his miracles or his resurrection, it is his self sacrificial love. His call for us to emulate Him in this. That's got to be GOD. We're hooting baboons but he calls us to be more. More like Him. A preacher that tells you to give the middle finger is just preaching on how to be more like a baboon, not like Jesus.
...good thing our opinions don't take precedent over Holy fire. :)
@@TypicalTGreen but it doesn't seem to be a good thing that you've corrupted the meaning of holy fire. Remember what Jesus said when his disciples wanted to call down holy fire. Their desire was placed in their hearts by Satan.
@@ChaLy-r4d ... How is my use of it "corrupt?" Will our Lord Christ not burn everything He chooses?
Toby, you don't wear low cut socks with low top shoes and pants. Megachurch pastor vibes.
I don't think those things concern him.
@daveonezero6258 it was a joke...
But isn’t Postmill the damsel suffering from main character syndrome? Bad storyline
I’m looking forward to the blessed hope Paul mentions in Titus 3:12 and ruling with Christ upon His return
Doug, I love you, but please find another Barber.
It’s like if he walked to the barber and said give me a simple jack hair cut but if he was in the peaky blinders show
@@manager0175Joe got a 'head' start 😉
Joe and Toby’s guy seems to be fairly thorough.
I believe he uses a Flowbee.
🤣
Love it! (Too many check out bc the rapture is next week)
Hello again
Russ??? Is that you?
What’s up with Doug’s Peaky Blinders hair cut;)
I trust a pessimistic PostMil over and above an optimistic one.
Why not be happy if you are going to end up at the same place ? 🤷🏼♂️
No pessimist has Meow in his sn, you be honest!
@@interestedmeow I don't trust either because both are unbiblical
I've had the same bad haircut before too...😅
hurt people hurt people
Pre-monk haircut
Even with a post-mil view, it doesn't seem that the Kingdom of God will triumph on the Earth with a very skewed presentation and explanation of other eschatologies.
Not only was the pre-mil view misrepresented, but the supposed critics pre-mil would have against post-mil and hisorycal optimism are also very badly stated.
Would you mind laying out the premillennial view here so I can understand it better? Thanks.
@@ChristOrChaos2025
Well, it would obviously take several paragraphs to bring a holistic view of any position.
Is there a specific point you are curious about?
@@LRibeiro97 I just wanted an overview of the premillennial system. Are you dispensational or historic premillennial?
@@ChristOrChaos2025 Best to just stay away from anything premillennial. It's ALL unbiblical.
@@christalone71 Thanks. But I would like to know what LRibeiro97 believes. There seems to be more than one type of premill.
Im starting a ministry encouraging Christians to think long term strategies..like better youth catechism, stronger youth relationship structures, better young adult partnerships, stronger community structures and group dynamics
Impotency with the illusion of manliness. They dont do anything except fluff male ego.
@@DeaconBeanCooter well said except I think it's worse than that 😭😔 They don't know what it means to be a preacher. Instead they want to be Navy Seals like they see in the video games they play. Police now do the same thing. Security guards at the Goodwill store play at Navy Seals. The result is war everywhere you look in America. What happens when you give someone the middle finger? The offended person punches you in the face. The incarnate God Jesus Christ did everything possible to teach us NOT to give the middle finger. This total effort to reject violence went all the way up to the hill at Calvary. Turn the other cheek, walk an extra mile with the roman's kit, forgive one another a 1000 x 7... Never did Jesus say flip them off. Soldiers can never ever win the fight that we're in.
You and @user-fj2zc9iz5u must be watching a totally different video.
@@christalone71 For reals...
@@christalone71 the middle finger wasn't enough?
20:56 a natural construct that flows out of what Doug……western *christian* culture.
So do we want Christian culture or not???😂
+canonpress #ActuallyAutistic *As the first autist in the 東宣北米神聖教會 OMS* (viz., Oriental Missionary Society) *Holiness Church of North America* (a Wesleyan conference offshot from majority Methodism, and the child conference o' the 東洋宣教會 Oriental Missionary Church, a society founded 1902 at 大日本帝國東京市 ᴛōᴋʏōꜱɪ (now 日本国東京都 ᴛōᴋʏōᴛᴏ), JPN), *I'm at agnosis on relational fundamentals; I've YET to develop Christology, Pneumatology, and Eschatology, as well as to experience a Guiding Relationship as defined by Steven E. Gutstein PhD.*
Boost
19:46 the KEY difference in what your arguing and what is actually happening is that every culture and history you bring up was pagan by default, or for so long it was default in all practical senses. What postmils are doing poorly is expecting they can change the momentum of a culture that is *increasing* in its rebellion, not stagnating or diminishing. It’s not even that I don’t believe that the Gospel can do this, it’s that a postmil who is so blind to the text that they think that they are owed the change in their lifetime simply because they believe it to be so, which is to say everyone sitting under these men’s teachings, is a postmil who will take up the sword to achieve it. And in doing so, will create an antichrist state whose rebellion is far greater than what they started with.
I'm not even postmil, but one thing the Moscow boys are very clear on is the long view. They don't teach that they are "owed change in their lifetime".
Hardcore Calvinists are not post millenialists 😂
No?
The rubbish that you get when you get soteriology (the sovereignty of God) wrong and eschatology wrong.
Do you believe Jesus/Ye'shua is God?
@@AnHebrewChild How do you define God? I reject the Trinity and maintain that there is one Most High God - the Father.
@@ThePristineFaith I didn't say anything about the Trinity. I'm not interested in the traditions of men.
I asked you if you believe Jesus is God.
More specifically,
Every man has a spirit. Job32:8, Prov18:14, Ecc3:21, 1Cor2:11 The Scripture refers to this as "the spirit of a man."
You, me, everyone.
Jesus is a man. Jesus has a spirit. Is Jesus' spirit the Eternal Spirit of God?
I say yes. What do you say?
@@AnHebrewChild I'd say that Christ’s entire human experience was empowered by the holy Breath (spirit).
So instead of Biblical eschatology we should just up for what’s “practical “? Sorry but I say this knowing Doug’s eschatology is unfortunately off and instead looking to worldly flesh driven descriptions like “practical “. Think I’ll just stick with Biblical thanks
What is the correct eschatology in your understanding? Can you explain it?
@@ChristOrChaos2025 Do you believe there is a right and wrong eschatology and do you believe there could be serious consequences if you get it wrong? Understanding Eschatological views isn’t like picking ice cream flavours based on our preferences or becoming part of a tribe or movement, it’s understanding God’s will and preparing for what He has already laid out would happen and discerning the times and deceptions we are warned about and ultimately enduring in our faith.
Wrong doctrine = wrong living and wrong application.
Doug's theology is problematic and heterodox, to put it mildly.
As is his praxis.
I want you all to prove the existence of your god. I'll then prove it doesn't exist.