► WTF Is... - Space Hulk ?
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- TotalBiscuit takes a look at a recently released turn based strategy game based on the WH40K universe, developed by Full Control Studios.
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Wish you were still with us TB.
amen brotha, watching it AD
I will never accept the "fact" that NEARLY THE WHOLE BLOOD-ANGEL-CHAPTER got pwned. Never.
I think their first mistake was wearing all that armor. Don't they know that being quick and nimble is what it's all about? School girl uniform with a mini-skirt would have served them much better.
I thought Space Hulk was a game about "The Incredible Hulk" fighting aliens in Space.
Nope.
That's always been a problem I've had with Warhammer: despite their impressive suits and armour, nothing seems to have trouble getting through them. Seems like they might as well be fighting in shorts, and at least that way they'd be comfortable.
Who says Terminator armour isn't comfortable?
offense was always one step ahead of defense. even in the 40th millennium.
True. But I guess they have to balance it.
As a player of the tabletop, Terminator armor and it's equivalents in other armies are still very effective. It grants a 2+ armor save (The best possible) and a 5+ Invulnerable save that you can take even if you get hit with something with high enough Armor Penetration. If your opponent doesn't have many AP2 weapons, a squad of Termies can effectively become a walking brick wall.
That said, for obvious balance purposes, most armies have several options of weapons or units that can counter Termies by invalidating their high armor save. In the case of Genestealers, they have the Rending special rule, which basically means that all of their melee attacks have a 1 in 6 chance of ignoring armor.
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And I regret nothing.
I own Space Hulk : Death Angel, the card-based game, and I really enjoy it. Horrid rulebook, but great components, great system, harsh, good solo and multiplayer (coop) play modes. And it's $25 (if not less ...). Recommended !
Yeah, the rules were terribly written haha but the card game is fantastic! Really challenging.
I bought it like two days ago, I am really excited to play it.
You know what the best Warhammer 40K game ever would be? A 4X strategy game where you play as the Emperor uniting all the human worlds. It would be perfect. You would have to conquer planets to establish trade routes, purge xenos and chaos, and find all the primarchs. It has to be done.
It has to be done, but it won't because GW will re-release and update every little thing they can to get as much money as humanly possible before they even consider doing new stuff, and god forbid they ever advance the lore.
KingofCheddarCheese I know, right? I'm still waiting for when the main Tyranid forces finally enter the Imperium and almost wipe out mankind.
KingofCheddarCheese Not so much advancing the lore since it is already there. The emperor searching for the primarchs and re-conquering the galaxy with his sons, the grey knights and mass-produced superhuman soldiers based on the primarchs. Hell, I'd kill for something like that, or something set on the Horus heresy, or even before that when the first power armours and genetically enhanced soldiers were conquering earth under the Emperor from many tribal warlords...
But that would be Warhammer 30K.
This, so much, this.
However, I could see if there was ever any combat it would get repetitive IF it was a shooter-type game, since I mean c'mon, you're the GOD-EMPEROR OF MANKIND. It's not necessarily hard to kill something. If it's an RTS or a TBS game where you can control legions of Astartes, the Primarchs, and the other forces of the Imperium, I could see it being a LOT of fun.
That's just combat though. I couldn't imagine how fun it would be to do all of the other galactic conquest-esk stuff. " *Warhammer 40,000: The Great Crusade.* " That is, if it were to be based in that era. Current 40k would be just as awesome, nonetheless. Too bad it won't happen, as the last 3 replies have proven.
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I did say '4X Strategy game', not 'shooter-type game'. But it could happen. It wouldn't even require advancing the lore, since it's just the Emperor's Great Crusade.
I remember playing this as a java game on my old phone. It's great to see that all the technological progress has gotten us nowhere at all.
"Techno-Arcana-Sorcery-Bollocks"
Please bring Necromunda to PC... PLEAAAASE D:
Oh TB you made me cry at the mention of Gorkamorka and Necromunda, the only GW games I truly felt love and protectiveness over my gang of metal and plastic figures
TBH this game is hugely improved since launch. Worth checking out at least.
The old Lore for Warhammer 40K made sense, especially the Heresy War, but now the new lores that are coming in are.. Excuse my language "Fucking Retarded". A entire chapter being obliterated is a very, very rare case unless its a massive war pitting between two rivaling chapters. I mean some of the Warhammer 40K games where nice like the old Space Hulk games, Dawn of War, and some further back.
But the main concern would be reading up the actual story on how it came to be, Space marine, Chaos, Eldar and so forth. I got similar books that have most of the lore written in about how the Chaos marines managed to wipe certain Space marines to fight against their brothers, The Angel Forge and so forth. So not just play the game, read it too.
Space Hulk: Revenge of the Blood Angels was a spectacular DOS game. Should still work on Dosbox with a bit of persuasion, go get it!
As an enormous fan of the Space Hulk board game this game is all I could have really asked for. I love breaking the board game out but when I don't feel like spending an hour putting corridors down, I can just boot this up and have a good time.
The idea of polishing it all up and making a more believable experience doesn't matter. This games audience is clearly fans of the board game as is. Would be nice to see a map creator though.
Err well, I actually quite like this
I don't know much about warhammer lore though
Space Hulk used a lot of 1st edition concepts, not as much as Necromunda and Gorkamorka. A lot of weapons can lower your armour save. Terminators rolled 2D6 against an armour save of +3 (where a normal marine just rolled 1D6 and iggies rolled their 6+ or 5+ flak vest). Iggy armour went down to nothing when heavy weapons shot them, while marines just got a worse save. Terminators didn't really want to stand around in the open. All infantry could benefit from cover, so the best thing was to put the terminators behind a hedge and have them support with their stormbolters. The energy shield terminators carried gave them what we'd call an invuln save today, a min 4+. And genestealers are pretty good at just that job, ripping up armour.
In one of the earlier versions of Space Hulk you could toss in all sorts of troops inside a hulk. Iggies in a space hulk were smaller than a terminator so they could walk in pairs and shoot over their shoulders. So each direction could have fire from four iggies at a time.
"I can customize my pole" lol
Ok, longer explanation, aside from Terminators being able to carry ordanance that wipes out Genestealers quickly (Storm Bolter that Terminators use 1 handed is equivalent to 2 Heavy Bolters for starter, they use full sized Power Fists as default, often with Chainswords attached, etc), the weapons utilized by Terminators are too heavy to allow any kind of agile movement at all. A Heavy Flamer or Storm Bolter requires two hands to use and that doesn't account for ammo storage or weight....
Well, this games looks like a pretty major bust. But, I like the style of it.
And just skimmnig trough the patch notes, mere minutes before bed, I think I will cash in on this game!
Now when it is on flash sale on steam.
It have had some time to patch, and it seems that they have addressed some of the issues.
So I am gonna pick it up and try it out tomorrow. :)
Yeah they fixed the slow movements and other super annoying stuff, but still there are still loads of problems and glitches so just be ready for that.
Chareater Yep - I was prepared!
Still, on the flash sale there isn't much to complain about.
Don't know what I payed, but it wasn't much. :P
Got a few good games worth of rage and victory. XD
I'd love to see a new version of Chaos Gate, or a game that plays just like it.
can you play as other chapters in this game? im tired of always seeing Blood Angels
Which results in cases of zero gravity or having to operate in a vacuum. Terminator armour is fully usable in these conditions and if I remember correctly the boots use gravity or magnetic tethering to keep them on the ground, so even if a Space Marine was used, he'd have to be practically glued to the floor regardless, negating any kind of movement or speed bonus. On top of this, every Terminator is a veteran Space Marine awarded usage of the armour - they're the equivalent of the Rangers.
Maybe they should have just remade the 1995 3DO version?
A funny story: in grade school I had a friend who had the board game. We never played it, and didn't know anything about GW stuff yet, but I did notice what looked like orcs among the miniatures and asked why they were there. My friend just said they were space orcs and left it at that. To this day I don't know why they had those ork miniatures.
Necromunda is back and TB isn't here for it :c
"Techno-Arcanosorcery bollocks" is one of my new favourite expressions. Very good way of substituting "thingamajiggy," or "doohickey."
"Hasn't released a good pc game, ever" lol
The board game has a timer for the Space Marine player, while the Genestealers get all the time they need. As you lose captains, you lose time to issue orders. It's a legacy feature of the board game. I'm personally glad it's there as a hardmode.
So glad i got this on steam sale. Its the fucking boardgame from 2009 and the sad thing is the mission are even from the boardgame from the fucking early 90's. Im not impressed, i just want Dawn of War 3 and Space Marine 2. This game just left a bad taste in my mouth steam sale with 66% off was not enough for this. Only reason i got this was coz im a 40k fanboy, i also got shit for calling that bullshit the ENTIRE CHAPTER invading a space hulk ?! and getting pwned hard ?! a chapter that was around during the crusade times when they were legion, fucked up that bad ? really ? But yeh its lore WTF !?
All Space Marine chapters generally follow the Codex Astartes, even the Chapters that have their own interpretations like the Dark Angels, Blood Angels and Space Wolves. While none of them are as strict as say the Ultramarines, they still follow the same basic rules modified for their home planets and cultural backgrounds. The "name of the Primarch" line is just a way of adding import to it, kind of like Thor saying "By Odin!", and I don't think it's meant to be taken literally.
Do you always whine this much in your gameplay videos?
What he said about making a interpretation of Space Hulk might be better instead of a direct digital copy, makes even more sense when considering your point. Whether you keep or tweak the original Space Hulk system for the digital version, either way it has a lot of untapped potential without all those other factions and playstyles. Multiplayer would be a much bigger thing with more options.
Thank you for useing the word "cannon" in correct context. that made me smile.
there was a little game released awhile ago called alien assault, which was basically a re-creation of space hulk in a 2d turn based game.. just with all the names with non-warhammer names. However it did have a mod released that brought back all the warhammer names/visuals called Space Hulk MK (or MK2). There is a sequel in the making called Alien Assault 2: Evolution.
Relic were part of THQ, who are now bankrupt, and was acquired by Sega. They still have rights to make 40k games and maybe working on "Dawn of War 3" soon. Bear in mind one thing: Relic made Company of Heroes and used Essence Engine v1 and v2 to make Dawn of War 1 and 2. Company of Heroes 2 just came out (EE v3) and if it's successful they may plan to use that to create "Dawn of War 3". Depends how they plan to make RTS games even better in future. Relic haven't abandoned GW yet, so don't worry.
I think it's like this; Vengeance of the Blood Angels was based of the board-game, and then a new iteration of the board-game was released and now this game is based of that.
THE RIDE NEVER ENDS
Some board games I -totally- am okay with a straight port with no advances. Take the Steam version of Ticket to Ride - it's got no bells and whistles (well, figuratively. It actually does have bells and train-whistles as sound-effects). They just made it extremely well and made it work perfectly fine. Me and my friends love it and it lets us play one of the great board games of all time even though we're all across the world.
*Blood Angels
This is a direct remake of the board game, so of course it will have the same chapter. And this game was developed by a much smaller team than dow ever had.
The Space hulks themselves are often made up of tight, long corridors. This means that as agile as a Space Marine may be, compared to a Terminator, they aren't going to run far or be able to dodge enough attacks to make any kind of difference. Don't forget that Space Marines are already huge guys, even without the Terminator armour. Next, in relation, is the composition of Space Hulks: These are huge, derelict shells that often have hull fractures, or disintegrating chasis...
That over-shoulder cam realy adds to the immersion....
Gorkamorka! So many great memories!!
As to the question why send terminators in in the first place: genestealers ignore armor. normal marines would die in one hit, terminators have an invulnerable save (especially with shield) that allows them to not instantaneously die.
To that note, the same holds true for the Blood Angels and their deviations: it's all from their divergent geneseed. I've always believed, like many did in the old 2nd/Rogue Trader days, that many of the Primarchs had drastic deviations due to the influence of Chaos. The bigger, and more interesting part, is that all these fractures, from the split in the Inquisition to the wildly different chapters, just continues to indicate just how in decline the Imperium is. They're the next Eldar.
Hey TotalBiscuit I just want to ask a question do you play Warhammer 40k and if you do what race do you play?
good guy TB saving millbee's channel on behalf of his subscribers thank you for that
I never asked them to change anything, I asked why bring terminators when spacemarines would actually be more effective seeing as terminator armor is just as vulnerable to rending claws. Then the other guy said genestealers didnt have rending claws back then. So the seemingly obvious response to that, at least to me, is to send in more agile troops instead of wasting precious terminator armour that only put you at a disadvantage.
What I was pointing at was that FPS heavily relies on the machine you're using, not just the game.
Also, up to 32 FPS, you have noticable changes. After that the change of FPS is subtle, and honestly, I myself don't get why some people are stuck up with
'I have 65 FPS, and my experience is better'
Unless humanity entered a new phase of evolution, then 32 FPS is about what we percieve as perfectly smooth, and anything above that is technically placebo.
They indeed re-released it. It was a VERY Limited Edition, and was sold out in pre-order.
Very true, those older games were fairly solid, and the original Space Hulk games too were certainly trying something new with their tactical/fps mixing.
Then there was a pretty bad patch.
I really need to see about trying to get Final Lib running, I played a lot of Chaos Gate but never picked up Final Lib which is terrible seeing as I love Epic.
Alien swarm is a real-time action game. Space Hulk is a turn based tactical game. Alien swarm is quite fun though if you have some friends to play with.
TBH the original "space crusade" on the amiga seems more fun. and has effectively the exact same gameplay.
and space hulk on the SEGA saturn was AMAZING... for the time.
Ah, thanks for clearing that up.
I now find it strange the Blood Angels would be the ones doing the Space Hulk shenanigans and not say, the Salamanders or Deathwing. What are the Blood Angels looking for? Salamanders can at least search for the toys their Primarch threw out the pram and Deathwing can get away with them looking for information about The Fallen.
The board game of Space Hulk was released first, understandably. There have been a few video game adaptations over the years, the Saturn game being one of them, I have no doubt. This is the most recent adaptation.
So if I'm looking for a fast turn based scifi elite squad combat game to play both single player, coop, and multiplayer what should I be looking at? Is X-Com the go to game for that essentially? What else is there?
The reason it's good idea is because it's about half the price of the board game which not only isn't produced anymore (production stopped years ago) but in fact the retail stores were given orders to destroy all copies that weren't sold by a certain date.
The people at my local store were just as baffled, perhaps to make it more exclusive so a re-launch would make more money?
Warhammer (now often referrerd to as "Warhammer Fantasy") was created in 1975. Warhammer 40,000 was started in 1987. Space Hulk was released in 1989.
*Citadel Ghost Child appears* "Oh great, it's the Blackstone Fortresses all over again - Right guys, just Nova Cannon everything!"
The option for a confirmation screen should be there, but I think I'd play without it. It's good practice having to remember and double-check everything before you end your turn.
I mean, I wouldn't tell my opponent in the board-game they forgot something :)
While I will definitely agree with the comments about the bugs and general glitches, I have to respectfully disagree about the mechanics and digital board game aspect. For that, it's great, a very nice translation of a tabletop game that's long since out of print and costly to buy on the secondary market, and like all other digital board games, it allows me to play the game with friends who are no longer local, or able to travel to a normal game night. For that, it's worth the price tag for me
It is a digital version of the original Space Hulk tabletop game. Don't know what you were expecting.
You know what I reccommend? Go get alien assault. Its basically space hulk but is free and has a TON of all-new missions. It actually WAS going to be a space hulk game but games workshop wouldn't allow the license to be used. Their loss.
I usually agree with your opinions however I found the voice acting enjoyable and the sounds quite good. The movement was a bit awkward and the animations bad, but I prefer the strategic zoomed out anyway. I think this game is worth 20$ and a very good copy of the board game.
You have it the wrong way around there. All of the chapters that have their own codexs in table top are non codex chapters. This includes Dark Angels, Space Wolves, Grey Knights and Black Templars (Though they are now in the Space Marine codex, they still are not a codex chapter). There are also the Iron Hands, but they pretty much get forgotten about.
Full Control: You need to edit out the bugs, enhance the graphics, improve the sound effects, MABE add more gore, & add a few more options like what T.B. said, then this would be an istantly better game worth the price tag. My thoughts on this game: Only buy it if you can get it cheap
The Blood Angels have massive support from their successor chapters, allowing them time to rebuild. The Blood Ravens are pariahs in the eyes of everyone except the Ultramarines, and get no support. (Inquisition hates them, Imperial Guard hate them, Eliphas won't leave them alone) It's no wonder that Boreale's idiocy crippled the chapter for years to come.
A level editor will be released when it is ready. They are working on it.
1) I love this slow animations. Terminators must be slow.
2) Game must not notify you if you forgot about your troops. You have 5 terminators in control in half of the missions. It is hard to forget about them.
3) Such game deserve better animations.
4) It is hard to find a copy of board game in my country. And it is much harder to find such game at affordable price.
PS. There can not be any logic if you play spacemarines.
what Prinz said, but also they didn't just face standard genestealers. They also faced hybrids with heavy weaponary - Aotocannons etc.
They did release rules for playing with power armour marines too. you got more rines, but they absolutely sucked at close combat vs genestealers, and standard bolters were less effective than storm bolters naturally
Idk. Newest codex doesnt say anything on that mater.
Its just Emperor gave decree to Malcador to gatjer some exemplar administrators, militants and such to be foreruners of Inquisitors, and some trusty SM.
The later became the Macldor's Knights-Errant, and most likely a mentioned in codex first honorary Grand Masters. But they formed and trained chapter, the gene-banks and equipment were already on Titan when they arrived.
Genestealers were created for two things; shock troops and infiltrators for the Tyranid hive fleets. Those bone blade claws are not exactly just bone, and they are not ''skinny''. :P
That wouldn't stop them releasing the rulesets as .PDF files, and putting printable templates for floor tiles up on their website.
Most of the miniatures can be found in other games in the same timeline, what you can't find you can make.
Google Alien Assault by Teardown. It was a proper 2d version of Space Hulk that they tried to get approved by Games Workshop a few years back but were denied and forced to remove any references to the Space Hulk IP. However, it is still the exact same gameplay as the boardgame.
While all that is true, they STILL maintain elements of the Codex Astartes. They still use the same vehicles, armor and munitions to fulfill the same roles as other Marine Chapters. They still follow enough of the Codex to maintain their status as a Chapter without being openly declared heretics by the Inquisition and the other mainline Chapters. The Wolves and Angels are allowed to do their own thing, but only to a certain point. Fenris and Baal wouldn't exist if that wasn't the case.
I haven't had any issues with this game yet, I think they've really improved on this game and I absolutely love it. But admittedly I'm a huge w40k fan and I love the games that get closer to what the actual games are like .
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i think their main issue might be that their models are too big, if they just scaled the graphics down, (e.g. make 1tile be 5meters) most of the graphics and suspension of disbelief issues would kind of "go away". Also, it would look more dynamic, the animations would have to, so maybe not visually "according to canon" anymore, but a modern-hollywood version re-imagining of the action pacing. But yes, that would still require more fidelity, for the animations mainly.
As a Battlefleet Gothic player, I have to say that someone DID try this on the tyranids... They got the same virus back two days later, and the 'Nids had made it MORE deadly O_o
no. he WAS working as a financial adviser, before husky got him a partnership with TGS (polaris) and he moved to the USA.
Now that he makes enough to support an esport team one has to assume he's making a decent living
They carry much more fitting weapons for Space hulk boarding (Storm bolters, assault cannons and what not) and their armor is very fitting for close quarters combat even though they are slow as hell in comparison.
In games, when you press a button or move your mouse, the game responses faster if your FPS is high.
If I have 30 FPS in a shooter game, and move my mouse, I can see that the camera is moving slower than what it should.
There is a Space Hulk mod for Dawn of War: Winter Assault. It's real-time rather than turn-based, but it's pretty good. There are plenty of maps and objectives to do.
I agree with you and after a little practice it'd become little to no issue. He just points things like that out.
That shoulder camera is a really cool idea!
TB I agree with you about Necromunda etc, their stand alone games like Blood Bowl etc are tremendous fun. I worked in one of their shops when Battlefleet Gothis was released, it was all we pushed for two months, then we were basically banned from talking about it.
loving the Soulstorm reference at 6:51
Agreed there. I've always found it funny that the Dark Angels have always been terrified of the Inquisition finding out about the Fallen when there's other Chapters out there that are way, way bigger heresy magnets. Grey Knights are especially suspect, and I'm not up on their fluff since the Daemonhunters Codex, but wasn't the rumor for the longest time that they were from the Emperor's Geneseed? I always figured that if that was true, that's why they get such a pass from the Inquisition.
22:00 the terminator icons on bottom left show if there are still terminators with action points.
To be sure, Tyranids give birth to things much bigger and more terrifying than modern battle tanks ALL THE TIME.
I liked the bit with the waddling terminators!
I would have preferred to have this visual in the top right screen as my primary with the bird eye view on the side.
i understand your frustration mate. Gorka & Necro will live forever inside our hearts.
I've never read that it could be the Imperial Fists anywhere, but I've seen plenty that it's the Thousand Sons.
Explains why they've got abnormally amounts of psykers.
I think the reason they send in terminators is because only terminators bear the armament necessary to kill genestealers in vast enough quantities to prevent the possibility of them getting into melee range. And since genestealer claws probably go through normal space marine armor just as quickly as they go through terminator armor, why send in normal space marines who can only carry so much weaponry?
Has that Incubation vibe to it, most certainly. But Incubation had decency of making it easy to see what's the line of fire for certain unit. Well, beggars can't be choosers, not that many TRPG / turn-based strategy games out there to miss any of them.
this would be good for a full 40k game not just based inside the space hulk and every army on huge battlefields, maybe in the future
Before the first hive fleet arrived Genestealers behaved almost like the aliens in alien, hitching lifts on hulks between planets, implanting humans with their genetic code to make cults. Little did anyone realise that they were scouts for the horror that is a Hive invasion.
Hmm, you still seem to be trying to get personal with me. No matter, I think I understand what you meant now: that it was unwise to have wasted "precious Terminator armor" when even Space Marine armor would've sufficed (seeing how Genestealers didn't have rending claws). But I think that's logical, to send the better armored troops to ensure the success of the mission. It may make no sense NOW that they have rending claws, but it did back when the game first came out.
That would be sweet (and my gang were the best btw, so there..)! I used to play Necromunda when it was just a rule set printed out in an old WD magazine, when they actually made the board game proper I was pretty stoked.
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A Necromunda game would be fantastic, turn based games are pretty trendy nowadays so I'm sure it would do well if made by the right company too.
the reason they send terminators to space hulks is because the forces of chaos and the ork hordes also use the space hulks for transport. Which means, terminator armor will protect you from boltor and slugga rounds,