Was Kurt Cobain a Green Day Fan?
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- What would Kurt Cobain had thought of Green Day's breakthrough album *Dookie*, he might have had mixed feelings. On one hand, Cobain, who valued punk authenticity, might have appreciated Green Day's energy and the album’s themes of disillusionment and alienation, which resonated with many young listeners in the same way Nirvana’s music did. However, Cobain, who often struggled with the commercialization of grunge and punk, might have been wary of Green Day’s rapid rise to mainstream success. Despite this, he likely would have respected their ability to connect with audiences through their music’s honesty and simplicity, mirroring his own songwriting philosophy.
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Green Day's album Dookie*, was released in 1994, and was a breakthrough for the band AND a pivotal moment in the pop-punk genre. The album's raw energy and catchy melodies quickly resonated with a wide audience, leading to massive commercial success. *Dookie was primarily written by frontman Billie Joe Armstrong and features lyrics that explore themes of boredom, anxiety, and disillusionment, which struck a chord with young listeners at the time.
The album’s sound blends punk rock with pop sensibilities, incorporating fast-paced rhythms and straightforward guitar riffs that were heavily influenced by bands like the Sex Pistols and the Ramones. Songs such as "Longview," which addresses the monotony of everyday life, and "Basket Case," which tackles feelings of anxiety and mental instability, became iconic tracks, helping the album gain significant airplay on MTV and radio.
Critics and fans alike praised Dookie for its accessible yet rebellious nature. Its themes of frustration and apathy, along with its catchy hooks, helped the album sell over 20 million copies worldwide and cemented Green Day's place in punk rock history. Beyond its commercial success, Dookie helped shape the sound of pop-punk in the 1990s and influenced many bands that followed [oai_citation:1,Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](en.m.wikipedia...) [oai_citation:2,Dookie - Wikipedia](en.m.wikipedia....
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In 1991, before Nevermind catapulted Nirvana to fame, Kurt Cobain, Dave Grohl, and Bikini Kill’s Kathleen Hanna attended a Green Day show at Olympia University’s dorms. The DIY gig epitomized Green Day’s punk ethos, and though the band didn’t realize the significance at the time, it would later resonate as Cobain’s fame skyrocketed. Billie Joe Armstrong recalled the event, noting Cobain and Hanna were upfront drinking during the performance. Armstrong later expressed deep admiration for Cobain, likening Nirvana’s impact to that of the Beatles, praising Cobain’s authentic songwriting.
At the same time, *Dookie*’s polished production and Green Day’s more playful, upbeat approach might have contrasted with Cobain’s darker, more introspective work. Yet, given his admiration for raw musical expression, Cobain could have seen Green Day as a continuation of the punk ethos, bringing rebellious spirit to a new generation.
He could’ve listened to dookie it came out 2 months before his death
They intertwined
That explains alot...
Kurt Cobain actually went to a Green Day concert at The Mods, The Evergreen State College, Olympia, WA on January 13, 1991 and 5 days later on January 18, 1991 Nirvana played at Library 4300, (No More Wars Benefit), The Evergreen State College, Olympia, WA. So Cobain obviously was aware of Green Day (whether he was a fan or not Is not Known). There's an old Billie Joe Armstrong Interview where he says that Kurt was at one of Green Days shows but he didn't remember where I think he said it was a house party or something like that, but It was at the Evergreen State College in Olympia WA (Where Nirvana had played and recorded numerous things there between 1987-1991). And since that was January 1991 Nirvana was Mainstream famous yet, Heck, Nevermind wasn't even recorded yet as It was recorded May 2-28, 1991.
And January 13, 1991 when Kurt went to that Green Day concert, Dave Grohl was only In Nirvana for 3 months by that point, (though that has nothing to do with Kurt seeing Green Day live on Jan 13, 1991) Just that Kurt seen Green Day at The Evergreen State College then 5 days later Nirvana played at the Evergreen State College. Just a Cobain fact that most people don't know.
sure, i think kurt would have liked them. dave grohl does so it's not really a stretch.
But listen to foo fighter's sound.. I feel like dave like generic radio rock more than kurt . Kurt was more into weird, unfiltered, and emotionally charged stuff. He often mocked big coorprate bands like that so I think kurt wouldve liked kurplunk but would've gotten sick of them had he lived through the rest of the 90s
you know who else dave grohl likes
@@BeanFan999loose women😂
@@blackjesus6953 True, but he also liked the Beatles, Aerosmith, and loved Abba. I think, regardless of the genre, Kurt was drawn to things that were genuine. He may have liked the Dookie era, as Green Day were - however intentional - still that teenage, snot nosed version of Green Day they were before they became huge. I don't see Kurt being interested in the media friendly band they became later.
Kurt would’ve shat on Green Day and looked down at it. They’re nothing like the punk bands Kurt loved. I guarantee you he would’ve called Billie a poser
I think he would have loved them and Kerplunk more. And understood them.
Nah lmao they were pop punk he would have hated that 😂
@@NellyGandhellaI don’t think you understand Kurt’s tastes or Nirvana’s sound, tbh.
@@NellyGandhella No he wouldn't. Kurt was influenced by The Beatles and other 60's pop, not to mention how poppy many of nirvana's songs were.
New theory: hearing the album pushed Kurt over the edge. 😢
I was 13 when Dookie came out in 1994 and it was perfect timing for me. I became their biggest fan and have been lucky enough to see them a number of times at smaller, more intimate venues. Oasis, Bush, Pearl Jam and Nirvana are still my favourite bands of all time. But even though they hold a special place in my heart, I think as I have grown older I don't listen to Green Day much anymore.
I also think that we try to guess what Kurt would have thought about things based on what we think we know of him from watching and listening to his interviews and music. I like to imagine him being alive today and having grown into maybe a different person, as we all do. I do know that Kurt was a very intelligent, contemplative and caring person and I would love to have seen what would have become of this great man and the great art he would have produced. I would love to hear his thoughts on most things.
I remember Courtney did an interview in 94 or 95 and was asked if Kurt wouldve liked the music coming out that year and she had a list, and a couple of things were that he would've absolutely loved Beck and would have been super proud of Green Days success.
Too bad you can't trust anything that woman says.
Super proud of Green Day’s success? No way she said that and if she did she’s lying through her teeth. He couldn’t stand the deliberate commercialization of punk.
@@DavidRFITher or Grohl. Shit stains on the Legacy of Nirvana
I'm sure Kurt would've liked Green Day and seen them on Mtv. He would've seen Longview for sure. They had A LOT of the same musical influences and values. He chose The Buzzcocks to support Nirvana and Green Day had been compared to them. Plus, Billie Joe Armstrong is friends with Kathleen Hanna and had her do guest vocals briefly on American Idiot, so I'm sure she would've told him what Kurt had thought of them. Especially if they were out front as well, that's a good sign.
I saw the Longview video late at night and I’m pretty sure it was before he died.
I still listen to this album from time to time and "Silverchair" has been my favourite band since 1995 🤘🐸🦙
i personally think kurt would like 1’039 smooth. i can see him doing a cover of 16 and don’t leave me
Yeah but remember that . Offspring and Green Day signed big contract because Label were looking for the next Nirvana . Without Kurt death those bands had less chance to be that big
Nirvana played a house party with green day and by all accounts the members of green day said none of the members of Nirvana were too impressed with them
If Cobain went to see them, especially after nevermind’s release he at least appreciated the band a little bit. He had to have known who they were.
To me Nirvana and Green Fay are si intertwined, I first heard both bands when i was 11 in 92 before either one of them where mainstream. Nirvana was a punk band grunge never really was a thing to me all the bands that got called grunge where a mixed bag of punk metal snd rock they never called themselves grunge that's just something advertisiers started calling them to help market them
Bush- razorblade suitcase was the first album I ever bought, and get this, I bought it on cassette
Smashing Pumpkins was already HUGE when Cobain died.
Indeed, ask Courtney Love lol
Dude, he talked about Green Day in one interview. You can find it, I think it's the first interview when they came back to the US after Nevermind blew out, but they were in Europe at the time. He said there are many bands like Green Day...look it up
Courtney also said in an interview that Kurt knew of and supported them or something. And would have been 'proud of how big they got'.
I would love to see this interview.
@@wantutosigh1117 search for it, circa 2012 it was easy to find, now you have to spend 3 hours, I ain't got time, search for interviews in Europe or when they just came to thr US after nevermind, but you have to watch full interviews
@wantutosigh1117 also due to long time passing I might be wrong that Kuet said it, maybe Dave said it or Krist, but Kurt said yeah haha
He liked the Kerplunk album. During a gig in late '92, we were packing up all the gear after a gig and someone had the CD or whatever and said it was alright. Kurt really liked REM a lot though. Had Fables of the Reconstruction on a few times and I think the Murmur album. He liked all different kinds of music , not just punk rock, new wave , or whatever. I think if there had been a 4th album it wouldn't have sounded like anything they had done previously. I also think the band would've broken up after because he was looking to try new things with other musicians.
"Just alright" is not a ringing endorsement, but not hate either. Makes sense. Dave probably liked them more.
He could’ve liked them... Very possible... Btw Smashing Pumpkins double album didn’t come out till ‘95 or ‘96, definitely not ‘94
They kind of did the same approach to music mixing pop songwriting sensibility with a punk influenced sound. Ultimately in my opinion Kurt was more artsy than Green Day: I became a fan of nirvana in elementary school when I heard love buzz and another cut off of bleach in a skateboarding video and then of course I loved Nevermind. I too became a fan of Green Day in middle school because again it hit the skateboarding community. Dookie was great and I never really gave them a full album listen again. I don’t think Cobains taste is that predicable to even ask this question though. He liked and disliked a lot of things.
Billy’s opinion is kinda off too saying nirvana was the last revolution in rock n roll. That’s only true if we’re talking about commercial success of a band. I’m an old guy and haven’t in my entire life stopped hearing revolutionary music from new and emerging artists. Music continues to evolve and devolve into new boundary pushing territory. Right now is awesome cuz young people are mixing it all together and have a lot less roles and reservations than me or other young musicians around me back then. We guarded our scenes and genres because it really seemed like we had to. Now independent music is so dominant that the rules are out. Keep on rockin in the free world! Punk never dies it just changes how it looks and sounds to piss off whatever establishment thinks they know what punk is. Old punks are just old people haha.
3:01 "Although we can never know what Kurt Cobain would have thought about Green Day because he never spoke on the subject..."
kurt i dont think would like many of us . he was lil stickler it seems. u like obe band he dont like he probly not hang . but i think its more drugs talkin thn him makin him more bitter. even guys he loved he kinda got annoyd with and wanted be left alone
I dont think it matters if he would or not..
Some of the best albums in the 90s
Congratulations Im Sorry - Gin Blossoms
Third Eye Blind - 3EB
Smash, dookie, stops album (forgot the name), Blue album, cranberries album, and no doubts album are my favorite albums from 1994.
I dont think kurt would have liked green day after the first impressions wore off. But then again i never knew kurt nor do i think much of green day. I liked them until basket case came out on extra heavy rotation and lost all interest. Then years later junkie billie joe started getting political at concerts and spewing far left nonsense, no thanks, theyre like a kpop punk band, all eyeliner no filler.
Green Day’s “rapid rise” to success?! They’d already put out 2 albums and a few 7-inchers, literally twice as much indie music than Nirvana did before Nevermind
Tgey were supposed to olay a shiw together, but nirvana didnt show up. Andnit wasnt an outbof nowhere ride to success, green day had mire indie releases than nirvana did. Kurt would have just been happy they werent an out of nowhere grunge industry plant.
They only have one song I consider punk but that's just me
I think he would have at the least appreciated them honestly if you have never hearGreen Days first few albums before dookie your missing out kerplunk amazing AFI all the way up to sing the sorrow are great
This guy is not a die hard Nirvana fan, I grew up in early 2000s and even though internet was shit, and I was in Europe, I watched every interview, article, etc. Kurt knew and spoke about Green Day, wth are you even talking about, do some research
First few albums he would have been fine.
One absolutely monumental album from then that perfectly blends grunge with punk-pop is Redd Kross - Phaseshifter. Baffles me how it remains fairly unnoticed given their history. Oh well
I think Kurt would've really related with the backlash to Green Day from the corporate rock press for them being "sellouts" for being on a major label and they are not "real" punk because of it. Kurt knew they came up from the underground and I think he would've respected them and saw something of a kinship with them.
I read that Kurt was really into the underground punk scene and he was spotted at Gilman Street in the late 80s and early 90s when Sweet Children/Green Day were coming up. I know they met at least once. I also know that Dookie was on a list of favorite records in Kurt's journals. So yeah. He was a fan.
Green Day luv Nirvanas music
Cobain was probably not a fan.
Niandra lades
No, just a Fastbacks fan.
Moving targets!!!
Regardless of anything, GDay were/'are sharp and they do exactly what they want. Thats enough.
I’m pretty sure he said he doesn’t like Alice In Chains and he didn’t like Pearl Jam despite being friends with Eddie Vedder so probably not.
Dookie!!!😅
I would say 92’ - 97’ was the greatest time to be alive and listening to music.
To be alive yes. Music, didnt hold a candle to 1967-1974
Kurt knew them personally. They opened shows together in the early careers. Of course, Kurt listened to Green Day. Are you kidding me? What kind of video is this? Speculation for the sake of speculation? Another comment said that the album came out two months before he died, this is true. Meaning, he totally heard Dookie and likely loved every second.
Korns self titled album
NO NO NO, i stand with Johnny Rotten on this: Green Day is a Shopping Mall Caricature of Punk to replace lower class art. ALL innovation comes from the People and then replaced by Narcissist Clown CLONES.
Green Day stopped claiming themselves as punk later on my guy. Even during the 90's they were punk rock much more then the sex pistols who were pretty much an organized band themselves who were on a major label
@@danboyisdopex9864 They NEVER Called themselves punk or any label, so have a green dollar, clickbait day..
@@miguelmontoya They were on a major label yet Green Day got bashed for and the Sex Pistols were a manufacturered organized band simple as that at least Green Day formed as friends without being put together by music executives
Johnny Rotten had one album 🤡
@@RajHK8 Oh yeah and what about PIL? Mall Punk & Coca Cola..
Grunge and punk rock is too far away. The entire grunge schtick was that there was no message, it was pure music for music's sake. Fashion was "anti-fashion". The chorus to the defining grunge song literally goes "A mulatto, an albino, A mosquito, my libido". Guys like Kurt and Chris had no time to sing about highschool cliques lol.
bro what Kurt, Krist, and Dave all loved punk rock.
@@judd5662 pop punk was different, your kidding yourself if you think the likes of Green Day and blink 182 was the culture he associated with.
@@jamesm.3829 well you didn't say pop punk originally. but green day barely fits into the traditional pop punk genre the same way blink 182 does. The same way nirvana isn't a traditional grunge band. But listen to a song like been a son, Molly's lips, territorial pissings, or on a plain and tell me that Kurt didn't have an affinity for catchy songs with a punk flavor
@jamesm.3829
Wrong, dumbass. Kurt considered himself to be Punk, not Grunge but he accepted the Grunge label and said it was better than other terms.
@@judd5662realll
I am sure he didnt dislike them.
No he would of said Green who?😶
Green Day sucks completely
Yet you here on this video 😂
@danboyisdopex9864 yes, I cane here just to say that
@@seansullivan7928 Let me guess it's do with their political views I'm guessing right or you just don't like their music
I turn the channel when I hear a Green Day song. Don't like anything about them
Why are you here?
@@krisfrederick5001 what do you mean why am I here ? Why are you here ?
whats wrong with them? im not huge on greenday but i find myself usually enjoying their catalogue and they put on a pretty good live show
"The channel" lmao old genxer still mad kurt offed himself
@Streamingstuff-qq3vw lmao, what does my comment about Green Day have to do with Kurt offing himself. My comment has nothing to do with Kurt. I'm a big fan of Nirvana and Kurt. Obviously, reading comprehension is lacking here. 🤣
5:14 wait, WIZO was famous outside of germany in the 90s? :D
Green Day is the worst most plastic fake band of the 90s. They suck. All their music is a rip-off of other music. Kurt would have hated them.
They are brilliant songwriters with a sixth sense for melodies, very inspired by british invasion, but with a new sound.
Insomniac is a catchy masterpiece
And as per Kurt, it doesnt really matter what he would think. They’re alive selling out stadiums, he’s been underground for 30 years out of his own volition. Who cares what he would think? Would you care what a 1800s russian peasant would think of you? He’s gone, Kurt is gone, they are dirt now and you will be too.