Why *Easy* Bass Lines Are SO HARD 🥵!!
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- In this clip, Bryan Beller talks about how easy bass lines hide some level of complexity.
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The tone of that bass is beautiful
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Can someone please list the setup? I was thinking the same thing, absolutely phat
@@adampears5006 i need to know, too
I’ve seen early interviews with him and he spent lots and lots of time, energy and effort in practicing and mastering tone. You’ll notice all the sounds and effects he uses are all monster and beautiful tonally. One of my friends is not the most technical bass players but he has an awesome sound
Seems like scooped mids, with high trebble.
Not too much bass. Tone full on.
Then experiment a bit with the "other mids".
(If you have a 4-band EQ, a parametric sweepable mid freq, or a graphic EQ ; which, you totally should.)
This is so important. If Pop or Pop influenced music was truly easy to properly execute, there would be no need for first call bassists to record it. Truly anything takes effort and attention to detail.
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Absolutely. I used to play in a band with a pretty other-worldly guitarist. Dude could play anything from rock to jazz to classical, but we had a track that needed just very simple notes played on the pre-chorus and he just couldn’t do it. It was almost too simple for him to play, which blows my mind.
@@Badtown1988 let's be real, he could play it. It probably just felt boring to play such simple songs when you have a vast repertoire
@@ofilosofoouumfumante5655 exactly
@@ofilosofoouumfumante5655 metaphorically ADHD ? :P
But you CANNOT ask someone with ADHD to stand still and do nothing. It's not about 'yeah they probably can, but they won't '. NO. THEY CANNOT.
He is so spot on about this. Playing technically and playing in the pocket are two separate disciplines to master, and they each have a vital role to play.
You can't be in the pocket without technic, because it requires relaxation and effortlessness. However you can have great technic and a shit pocket if you don't get what to focus on.
Can someone tell Jeff Berlin this
The two go hand in hand for bass specifically. I met a bass player that transcribed Polyphia songs, note for note. It's not that it was bad, it just didn't sound pleasing. It's somewhat like somethings are not visually appealing and you have Facebook pages dedicated to those specifically bad looking things
so true. i recorded more than a dozen records and it is always the really slow songs or the „easy“ straight-8th-pumping ones that gave me trouble, never the fast and flashy progressive shiners. to make that really sound good and in the pocket, is the true art. because even a deaf guitarist or drummer can hear it, when you are slightly off.
Sooooo true! 🤘🏻
I never thought about this that way. Makes so much sense.
@ArchibaldMeatpants yep and you never go hungry when you wear meat for pants
@Prismo
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If any player of any instrument says “this is easy!” you just run away from him…run fast and never look back!
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But what if it IS easy? 🤔
@@christophercalle2888 the problem is not whether it is easy or difficult, the question lies entirely in how it IS done.
Seriousness and commitment my friend.
That's not even remotely true
@@christophercalle2888 simple is harder, a lot of players can't repeat a line, and if they do, the nuances change bar to bar, think or thrash metal or funk, they can play like a sampler almost, i try to play like sampler in those instances, parts can be hypnotic, like a drum beat, that is one affect, changing it each time is another and is easier.
It's important to understand that straight eights is also certain type of groove.
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I made a living on straight eights
I love when experienced players like this dude take the time to explain things like this. Bass player here and I approve this message. ❤ 🎸 🔊
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Jesus that bass sounds great
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Bryan and I went to Berklee College of Music together back in the early 90's, he has a great personality and Is a fantastic Bass player. Just saw the Aristocrats a few months ago, it was so great seeing him and all he has done. He is inspiring, and a great person to be around.
💯 - An absolute dude & killer player! 🤘🏻
Well that would make of us who went there in the early 90s.
I’m guilty of thinking the Aristocratics bass lines were a bit simple.
@Jaggerbush definitely not, but compared to Guthrie they seem simple.
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”When the groove is really right” is just what I’ve always felt about that Satriani’s album. Bissonette brothers really deliver the groove just like it should be done.
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Gregg Bissonette seems to be a bit underrated drummer. He is very versatile and great drummer. And what a great guy! I love him
A great example would be Simon Gallup from The Cure.
I was reading some comments where somebody said Michael Anthony wasn't a good bass player. Michael Anthony played to the song both in Van Halen and especially in chickenfoot. Michael Anthony is a consummate bass player not because of what he plays but because of what he doesn't play.
Its the main man himself! absolute beast of a bass player. Couple him with Hoglan ( Aka The atomic clock) An there is your monster rhythm section of "Dethklok" & my favorite to hear them on is "Brendon Smalls Galaktikon". I know its not every ones cup of tea but honestly go give them a listen if you haven't. Brendon Small is also a hell of a guitarist, love hearing his Brian May influences shine through
Bryan is a monster bass player!
Watched the aristocrats live in bristol and I was was stood right in front of him and it was amazing
And everytime I hear him speak, I quietly answer "yes professor"
This man made a point most people don't get. Been playing bass for 20 years and hes so right
I agree 100%. No such thing as a simple piece of music. The more straightforward the riff, lick, whatever, the more opportunity you have to hone in of the minute details that make a song special. Michael Anthony is an excellent example of this. Those absolutely perfect 16th note droning bass lines give Van Halen their sound and character.
Like Frasier Crane says, there’s a difference between simple and “deceptively simple.” Sometimes it takes a lot of work to make something sound easy or effortless, and that work is only appreciated and realized when someone tries to replicate it
I ve played this song for years. It is a great song!
Listen to Vai’s stuff. The bass guitar on Passion and Warfare is very simple and root-oriented. There are long passages of simple eighth notes hanging on one fret, because that’s what supported the bombast of Steve’s guitar work. The band had a very specific function, as did the individual instruments. That’s great orchestrating and songwriting.
The Jamerson approach works across all genres. Sometimes you sing, sometimes you bump.
Brian Beller = Lord of the UNDERGROUND🍻🍻🍻
Might be easy to copy and play but constructing these type of basslines is talent!
You made it in my top 10 bassist of all time last week. Always awesome to see you live and you did a killer job at the Sellersville Theatre recently.
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So so true. And the cure is one of my favorite to actually play on the bass because of the melancholic tone that it brings on the table to the whole song.
Playing the song and being in the song are 2 different things, 100% agree. Even when I look at basslines by the Beatles or something a bit slower in tempo, there's an art to note duration, inflection, dynamic, proper muting, and anticipation, among other factors. People look at fast riffs often when the slow ones can be equally as difficult to play "correctly".
I feel this way about Adam Clayton's playing with U2. He's not doing flashy stuff, but I love it.
i'm not afraid to say that, as a guitarist, i've always had trouble staying in tempo with other players in the band. the amount of respect i have for bassists, and their unseen perfectionism you see in (just as bryan just said) even poppier music
I literally JUST saw Joe in concert the other night what a coincidence!!!he was ROCKIN it at 65
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I'm going to see him tomorrow!!!!!
I have a version of JB PAPA DON’T TAKE NO MESS and it is 14 minutes long. It is a pretty simple bass line ( just a couple notes with ghost notes ) BUT keeping it IN the groove for that long is an endurance race. I did it just to show my teacher that my feel is unmatched. He was impressed. He told me. I am very proud of that. 🎉
“She” Greenday, “only in dreams” Weezer, “Hey Joe” Hendrix, ANYTHING BY THE PIXIES lol. I mean yeah every form of rock with a straight 8 groove can be found and usually it’s awesome! Thank you for saying that because it’s really refreshing in an age of weird grooveless rock and a million notes!
Not only playing easy songs, it's also hard remembering easy songs. As quickly as I learn them, I'll forget them quickly as well.
You’re so right I’ve been a bass player for many years and it’s always the really simplistic ones that I always end up forgetting first every single time we have to go back and read learn them. I find it amusing myself that that’s the case.
Bryan Beller is such a legend
That's a Great Cool ass melodic Bassline. This reminds me of the Great Billy Sheehan, my fellow Bronxite said. It's important to listen to, be familiar, and be able to play Dance Music. Groove is important. I love Rock and classic rock because you can still hear the soul of tge Blues in it.
So important to get those foundations groovin' ! 🤘🏻
What’s the bass line?
Well said, man.
Beller is an absolute monster
He really is, his work with The Aristocrats is stellar!!
I remember a bunch of people in the crowd roasting Stewart ham. They were talking about the baselines being simple. And I'm over here like he's in the pocket leave him alone. Staying true to the song and still having a live element is the way to go. The baselines in most of those songs are loaded structurally with the lows in the right spots and the highs in the right spots. You can't be the backbone of the journey and wander off like people want you to do.
Same goes for guitar riffs, easy ones are usually much more memorable and as long as it’s serving the song who cares how many notes it has.
True. The Zappa and Vai world is still fantastic though.
Summer song is a bop on the bass haha
You can teach notes and technique; you can't teach feel. There's also nowhere to hide as a bass player. You get it wrong and everyone hears it
This is true for all the instruments not just bass
U nailed it
Great tone. Too many cannot reconcile their ego, with a genuine connection to the music. The genuine connection to the music means you do what the music asks of you, and not go all scales when the song requires a half time groove.
My band's easiest and slowest songs have always been the hardest to record!
this man is 100% correct. Also that bass tone gives me chills it's so good.
His tone is beautiful
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Digging the dimebag tribute with the chin hair color! Rick on man!
Music at its core is meant to make you feel something.
This is why I believe Ian Hill is so underrated. His earlier works were more melodic. Realized it’s not what was best for the songs and went simpler. I have more fun playing busier lines, that’s just my affinity. But no one’s lines keep me more in check than Ian’s.
Reminds me of the No Quarter bassline
"Just play bass"... I needed to hear that!
sometimes you just gotta remember that you're playing, not working!
@@taylorwhite1522 you're right about that! It's turned into a job before, and despite "living the dream", I was miserable.
Same, it gets to the point where it feels like work and that’s when I get frustrated with playing
Would? Is like that. Simple but hard to get it timed and muddy just right
Man, one of the "simplest" rock songs from Iron Maiden, is Wasted Years...but has one of the hardest bass lines to play allong with because the groove and the control he talks about🤷♂️
The art of bass playing does not rely in the amount of notes you can produce in one second. Some bass players are very fast, but they master the bass before beeing fast.
I found this short interesting and looked in your channel for the complete video but couldn't find it
scottsbasslessons.com/podcast/in-conversation-with-bryan-beller-you-know-what?
@@devinebass thank you!
And i waiting for the commodors music 🤡
Very good bass. You do look like dime to (not a bassist but a legend)
Satriani has always been the best in terms of composition. His songs always have a kind of classical sound to them that just translates well to his music
This guy could be talking about reggae/dub bass too "the simplicity has a very specific construction.. you can feel it in the groove!"
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Totally true, the mainstream is always changed and altered by mainly rock, dubstep, reggae and jazz, but mainstream ppl know nothing about music they even care about clips more than songs so don't get mad about it brother they too low leveled (hate the game not the player)
Wisdom right here!
Almost all of Casiopea (1st) basslines are like this. Some seem simple until you try and play them. Marine blue being one
I think as we get better at music in general we forget how "advanced" the stuff we do is and to most people it's not just Whatever
Didn't Stuart Hamm play Bass for Satriani? Stu Hamm is a legendary bassist.
Yo I love Scotts content usually but I learned nothing from this short lmao
Seems to be a theme with their shorts. Haven’t quite figured out what post on them but it boosts their presence.
Just play bass
@The JL exactly. I learned something here.
It sounds like you're exactly the type of person that this short is aimed at. Keep watching it til you get it.
U2's "I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For," seems like a simple bass line, but it's really not with the timing. It will surprise you. I can play some Rush bass lines easier than that one. Crazy!
that tone tho 👍👍👍
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Teeniest goatee attachment point I have ever seen! Wow.
The key to being a bassist
LESS IS MORE
I could not find the full version of this interview😢
scottsbasslessons.com/podcast/in-conversation-with-bryan-beller-you-know-what?
The timing is usually what makes *simple* parts difficult
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Check out the simple but cool bass line that runs the entire song for Frank Zappa’s “Chunga’s Revenge”.
Some of the most popular songs in the world have fairly simple bass lines. (Not all) As a bass guitar player & listener myself. I tend to lean towards simplicity, but I do enjoy complexity too. I watched an interview with Pat Metheny. Pat and Jaco were best friends while going to the university of Miami together. (Years before Jaco got into drugs) To make along story short. Pat’s only issue with Jaco when they played together (which was a lot, before they both became popular) was that Jaco played too many notes. Pat Metheny is the only musician in the entire world that can talk about Jaco like that!
Dude talked right over me; didn’t get a lick of it. But I bet it’s cool as hell…
Simplicity and feel for groove will always be difficult to get smooth at slower tempos ask any drummer bass is not much different
I don’t have to see a bass in this guys hands to know he’s a bass player
I like playing bass covering Joe's songs. You can feel the groove so much!
noob here, wasn’t it Stu Hamn that did all of his bass work or was he just the guy that toured with him?
@@docbob1182 maybe. No idea. However, I like playing the bass of these songs
@@docbob1182 Stu was part of Joe's band for the early albums and tours in the 80s and into the 90s, up to the 3rd studio album. Joe's done about 15 more since then, that Stu wasn't on [that I can recall.]
The Summer Song bass line Bryan is playing in this clip, was done by Matt Bissonette.
But, yes, most people think of Joe's early lineup as being the 'classic' lineup even though it was just a few years. [Joe, Stu, and Jonathan Mover, but I'd also say Jeff Campitelli since he goes WAY back with Joe to their old band, The Squares.]
Welcome to Satch World, by the way!
There are a lot of bass players today that don't know the importance of rest notes as well. Not playing is just as important.
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I met Bryan Bellar at Gearald Veasley Bass Boot camp, good person, good personality and very teacher/musician...,He played with Steve Vai which means he can play seriously 🎵
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What was he playing in the beginning?
It's such a treat to see Brian with Guthrie then Joe just 6 weeks later.
i want to see rex brown on this
Just because something is technical, doesn't mean it's any better to sit and listen to.
You're absolutely right! Music is about emotion and feel, not just technicality. Sometimes, the simplest bass lines can carry the most soul. 🎶🎸
dat tache tho! 👺👺👺👌👌👌
music has structure, who knew?
Dude he's got the dimebag beard!
Man dipped his beard in sweet and sour sauce
Simplicity is extremely powerful
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That dimebag beard is dope
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Why dont you just go be inaudible?
True 👍
Literally nobody is complaining about this stuff
Yoo I’m new to bass and this so true 😂 I’ll see the tabs or some one play and I’m like yeah I got that! 3hours laters I’m still figuring it out even though I know the notes 😂
Keep at it Luis! 🙌🏻👊🏻
Yes! YES!!!! JUST PLAY BASS!!!!!!
Words to live by.
Thump on my brothers and sisters in bass.
Where is that bass line from
Who is this chap who is speaking?
FINALLY SOMEBODY WHO ACTUALLY PLAYS 5-STRING
I've been trying to learn 5 string but it feels so much more different
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I remember just starting out on guitar, and rehearsing with my friends. We had more trouble trying to stay on time with a punk cover than a thrash original that had all these riffs, syncopated parts and changes.
The simple stuff can for sure be the most challenging to get right!
Sounds like you were playing Punk correctly then
MURDERFACE!!! 🤘🏻
Real talk though, Bryan Beller is one of the best bassists in modern times. I mean, he plays in DETHKLOK!!
You're a BASS PLAYER -- of course Blues and R&B will morph into Rock quickly- YOUR SOUND DOESN'T CHANGE .
THIS MAN! absolutely true. Playing since 10 and I try to stay in learner mindset and play basic motown etc every day along with jamiroquia etc Joe Dart lines. The simple ones matter! a great example of this is 99 luftballons by nena. Listen to that bassline (synth and bass I believe) change one note duration and add a note take one away and it doesnt work.