A Very Powerful Differential Equation 😊

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  • Опубликовано: 26 мар 2024
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Комментарии • 59

  • @arenje1
    @arenje1 4 месяца назад +7

    Tanx. One of my favorite channels.❤

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  4 месяца назад

      Wow, thank you ❤️

  • @scottleung9587
    @scottleung9587 4 месяца назад +6

    Golden Ratio to the rescue once again!

  • @danilonascimentorj
    @danilonascimentorj 4 месяца назад +24

    but how do you prove that only polynomial solutions satisfy the given functional equation?

    • @chaosredefined3834
      @chaosredefined3834 4 месяца назад +6

      We can't. There may be more functions out there like this, but noone knows for sure.

    • @YouTube_username_not_found
      @YouTube_username_not_found 4 месяца назад +3

      This question has been asked on MathOverFlow and answers were given for how to properly solve the equation.

    • @leif1075
      @leif1075 4 месяца назад +1

      ​@@RUclips_username_not_foundI don't see how?? Can you share the link? Besides I found a way to short circuit the problem..if tou replace x with y which you know you can because x is presumadefined for all realmvalues you get f inverse y equals dy/dy..meaning f^-1(y) =1 but f^-1(y) equals x so x equals 1..that means x can only be 1so NO SOLUTIONS ..see.what zi mean? There's no flaws in my method so I don't see how power funccan work?

    • @YouTube_username_not_found
      @YouTube_username_not_found 4 месяца назад +1

      @@leif1075 ​ @leif1075 Hi! I hope we have a good conversation, Mr Leif.
      As you know, YT gets funky when it comes to links so that's why I avoided including it. I suppose you can use the info I gave you to find the post on your own.
      >> "if tou replace x with y which you know you can because x is presumadefined for all realmvalues you get f inverse y equals dy/dy"
      Are you expecting from me to just tell you that you can't simply change variables like that? 🤔
      I think you can clearly see that your method is flawed as it gives you an incorect answer and it is easy to check that your result doesn't solve the equation.
      >> "so I don't see how power funccan work?"
      What does that have to do with whether your method works? These 2 are unrelated, as far as I can see.

    • @YouTube_username_not_found
      @YouTube_username_not_found 4 месяца назад

      @@leif1075 I thought you want to discuss the eqaution but it seems you lost interest. Well, have a nice day.

  • @tamilselvanrascal5956
    @tamilselvanrascal5956 4 месяца назад +1

    🎉

  • @rob876
    @rob876 4 месяца назад +1

    9:56 -b/(b+1) = -b/b^2 = -1/b

  • @goldfing5898
    @goldfing5898 4 месяца назад +2

    I thought of the theorem about deriving the inverse function.
    To avoid any confusion of the inverse with the reciprocal 1/f, I prefer f_inv_ over f^(-1).
    Then
    (f_inv_(x))' = 1 / f'(f_inv_(x))
    In this case, since f_inv_(x) = f'(x),
    (f'(x))' = 1 / f'(f'(x))
    f''(x) = 1 / f'(f'(x))
    Is that correct? But even if, that doesn't help, does it?

    • @rainerzufall42
      @rainerzufall42 4 месяца назад +1

      f^(-1)(x) is always the inverse, (1/f)(x) is (f(x))^(-1). Also sin^(-1)(x) = arcsin(x). The confusion comes with sin²(x), but that's a horse of another color!

    • @rainerzufall42
      @rainerzufall42 4 месяца назад +2

      With g(y) = f^(-1)(y), we can say, that f'(x) = 1 / g'(f(x)). Doesn't really help, that's correct...

  • @AryanKumar-vo1ic
    @AryanKumar-vo1ic Месяц назад

    impressive , i thought of this problem when i was first introduced to functional equation but i couldn't solve it.

  • @juanhernandez-uq9um
    @juanhernandez-uq9um 4 месяца назад

    Nice video. What about f(f(x))=f`(x) ? I guess is also of the form x^a

  • @rajeshbuya
    @rajeshbuya 4 месяца назад +5

    The magic portion of the Golden Ratio.
    In fact, it can further ve simplified. If we denote the Golden Ratio with a (phi), then the solution would look like:
    f(x) = x ^ (phi) * (phi) ^ ( 1 - (phi) )
    OR even further as
    f(x) = (phi) * ( x / (phi) ) ^ (phi)
    WOW, I"M ❤ING THIS!!!

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  4 месяца назад +2

      😍

    • @rainerzufall42
      @rainerzufall42 4 месяца назад +2

      Indeed, f(x) = ϕ * (x/ϕ)^ϕ
      is my favorite form.
      f^(-1)(x) = ϕ * (x/ϕ)^(1/ϕ) = f'(x).
      This really looks like transforming into some ϕ room, calculating the inverse, and then transforming back!

    • @leif1075
      @leif1075 4 месяца назад

      Want the equation at 7:19 implies that x raised to b-1- 1/b equals a constant ..the ab term bitnthat CANT BE THATS A FLAE..x can't LWAYS equal the same term because the it's not a function see what I mean..so isn't this totally wrong?? Did no one else notice this??

    • @rainerzufall42
      @rainerzufall42 4 месяца назад +1

      @@leif1075 I suspect, that x ^ (b - 1 - 1/b) can be quite constant, if b = ϕ, because ( ϕ - 1 - 1/ ϕ) = 0. I don't know, if that matters, but I'm pretty sure! BTW: b = ϕ is one of only and exactly two possible values, that allow this statement. The other one is b = - 1/ ϕ.

    • @leif1075
      @leif1075 4 месяца назад

      ​@@rainerzufall42but that's my point tbis implies xcan o ly equal that particular value..that I plies x can't take any value..which means NO SOLUTIONS..Surely I am not the only one who sees this? See what I mean?

  • @Random_username_1234
    @Random_username_1234 4 месяца назад +2

    you forgot to show the wolfram alpha result

    • @lawrencejelsma8118
      @lawrencejelsma8118 4 месяца назад +1

      He gives you f(x) = (G.R.)^(-(1 + √5)/(3 + √5)) times x^(G.R.).
      Using Wolfram Alpha on your own: You can reflect this over the y=x line to get the inverse function. Then use Wolfram Alpha to look at f(x) taking the derivative and plot that separate. See if the two plots match (probably in a comparison or visual).
      Remember the G.R. = (1 + √5)/2 are constants in the derivative of f(x) he states at the end of the problem. You can define -( 1 + √5)/(3 + √5) by omega rather than in terms of gamma but differentiating with respect to x brings down the golden ratio in terms of gamma and subtracts 1 from the golden ratio power of x (all given in his final boxed off answer at the end of the video leaving us to find the -gamma for b solution also)!

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  4 месяца назад +1

      Thank you! Here's the result:
      postimg.cc/dDhs67NZ

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  4 месяца назад +1

      Here's the result:
      postimg.cc/dDhs67NZ

    • @rainerzufall42
      @rainerzufall42 4 месяца назад +1

      WolframAlpha broadly ignores the properties of ϕ (GoldenRatio). The results are disappointing!

  • @rainerzufall42
    @rainerzufall42 4 месяца назад

    You mean f(x) = ϕ^(-1/ϕ) * x^ϕ ?
    Because ϕ = Golden Ratio = (1 + sqrt(5))/2.
    ϕ^2 = 1 + ϕ = (3 + sqrt(5))/2. Or ϕ - 1 = 1/ϕ.

    • @rainerzufall42
      @rainerzufall42 4 месяца назад

      Hmm, that's also even more simplified: f(x) = ϕ * (x/ϕ)^ϕ.

  • @matheodaniloalvitreslopez3159
    @matheodaniloalvitreslopez3159 4 месяца назад

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  • @faruqatumceddal92
    @faruqatumceddal92 4 месяца назад

    Math is magic, such a mysterious and odd equation[ f·¹(x)=f'(x)] has one of the most mysterious and beautiful maths constants contaned in the solutions, just wonderful, I hope their is a way to solve this without guessing I'd be very happy to know it.

    • @YouTube_username_not_found
      @YouTube_username_not_found 4 месяца назад +1

      This question has been asked on MathOverFlow and answers were given for how to properly solve the equation.

    • @faruqatumceddal92
      @faruqatumceddal92 3 месяца назад

      @@RUclips_username_not_found I searched but I couldn't find it, if you can please give me the link of the page where the answer is.

    • @rafiihsanalfathin9479
      @rafiihsanalfathin9479 3 месяца назад

      ​@@faruqatumceddal92dr peyam has made video about this and he said you can't solve this without guessing, its seem right to me given this differential equation is so weird i don't think you can solve it without guessing

    • @rafiihsanalfathin9479
      @rafiihsanalfathin9479 3 месяца назад +1

      ​@@faruqatumceddal92he also don't know if this is the only solution, maybe there is other solution but we don't know yet

    • @YouTube_username_not_found
      @YouTube_username_not_found 3 месяца назад

      @@faruqatumceddal92 @faruqatumceddal92 RUclips shadowbanned my reply because of the link, but here is how you find it: Search the question "ODE with inverse function. Solve f^{-1}(x)=f'(x)." on MathExchange and go to comments.

  • @user-jy6fk8ze3t
    @user-jy6fk8ze3t 4 месяца назад

    How to solve it without guessing
    First, integrate both sides
    U will get f(x) on the first side
    The other side will take some time, but it's solvable

    • @cosmosapien597
      @cosmosapien597 7 дней назад

      How do you know it's solvable. Please show.

    • @user-jy6fk8ze3t
      @user-jy6fk8ze3t 7 дней назад

      @@cosmosapien597
      Search that :
      Integral f inverse

  • @yoav613
    @yoav613 4 месяца назад

    Very nice and powerful😊💯

    • @SyberMath
      @SyberMath  4 месяца назад

      Thank you 🙌❤️