How to Make an MFT Workbench: Video 5 of 5
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- In today's final upgrade video, my DIY workbench now has the UJK Parf Guide System!
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TODAY'S TOOL KIT *
- UJK Parf Guide System bit.ly/2lNTtNQ £179.95 (the Mark II system has superceded the system featured in my video)
Also featured in the video:
- Veritas 10mm bench dogs per pair bit.ly/2nqFo9K £11.90
- Veritas 70mm Parf Dogs per pair bit.ly/2nXYwvL £18.30
- Axminster Star Knob - male M8 x 40mm bit.ly/2nqFXjS £2.75 each
- Axminster Guide rail Clamps 160 x 60mm bit.ly/2o2GRDm £16.90/ clamp
Now that this series of videos is at an end, here is the full list of videos in the series:
Video 1: bit.ly/2s0bMyH
Video 2: Castor wheel: bit.ly/2GMhizl
Video 3: Protective edging bit.ly/2RrlSqM
Video 4: Now with hinges bit.ly/2LqGjTp
Video 5: UJK Parf Guide System bit.ly/2GKMZJa
I bought the UJK Parf Guide system (now the Mark II) bit.ly/2lNTtNQ back in March this year on the recommendation of one of my subscribers who suggested it soon after I posted my original video.
The cost for the Mark I system of £149.95 plus over £50 of accessories initially put me off, but after using my folding work bench all year, I often wished I had greater clamping options as I cut various sheets of MDF on the work bench. So I finally bought the UJK Parf Guide system from Axminster tools, and it's taken me this long to find the time to finally install it!
Some videos that are worthwhile watching:
UJK Parf Guide System video bit.ly/2CGviqo
UJK Parf Guide System Instruction Part 1 bit.ly/2AjlwZy
UJK Parf Guide System Instruction Part 2 bit.ly/2AmJOSB
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This is a pretty solid little workbench. While once you figure out how it comes together, it is physically Easy to assemble ruclips.net/user/postUgkxyFZUPFEey-PuqsPMxqaykBhgA1LWxFHh by yourself. But the diagrams explaining the steps are really pretty bad. I could not get the handle pins in all the way despite multiple attempts, so I just used a screw I had on hand for the 2nd handle. I could not get the first pin in further or pull it back out. You are supposed to hammer it in, but I had no leverage and the handle is plastic and I did not want to risk breaking it. I will get a lot of use out of the bench because of the convenient size and height. It does fold up nicely for storage. They even explain how to fold it so you don't get pinched...that is important!
It's wonderfully engineered 👌
Fast forward 14 years and your work table has been transformed into a fusion reactor.
For any body who values being about to guarantee repeatable, almost perfect square or 45 degree cuts this is priceless. The clamping options are a massive help as well, but those and the bench dogs can push the price up, however they also push the mistake count down and provide the same guidance for your router, which in the end will save you time and money.
i said about the same thing, it's that piece of mind , and there are other companies that make dog type things much less money, or you can just modify stuff, if you are picky enough to want a parf ,then you will figure out how to modify stuff, and come up with a solution
The person that invented this product should get all the credit. He has done all the engineering and hard work to come up with this design. All we have to do is to use it. I would want to make enough money to compensate my talent and engineering efforts. Wouldn't you?
It was Peter Parfitt who designed it.
I purchased the Joint Genie jig for quick and accurate dowel joinery. The jig is not cheap but it’s a tool for life and it’s fit for purpose. I have no regrets in my investment.
This jig for drilling accurate 20mm holes in a square pattern is on my wish list. Sure it’s expensive but it will be another tool for life and I won’t regret buying it once I do buy it and start using it. This tool is multipurpose, don’t restrict applications to just a workbench top.
Peter’s jig can help save DIYers time and money by helping them produce more accurate components for their projects, which means less wood and time is wasted.
Thanks for the informative video! I am a novice DIY'er and had no problem with saving up a purchasing the UJK Technology Parf Guide System Mark II. I just received my order from Axminster and am ready to construct my first workbench with it. After reviewing the product I can attest that it is well worth the money. At least for me, it is. A well-made product that should last a lifetime if properly taken care of.
I bought the system over a year ago and am thrilled with it. I would argue that it’s for amateurs and not pros as a pro can buy a tax deductible Mft bench. It is expensive for what it is and if you only going to use it once but if people clubbed together, it reduces the cost. I am just about to build my 3rd bench (people keep wanting my bench) and I wouldn’t be without it. I get really easy, really fast accurate cuts every time and the kit makes it all so simple
The grub screw is/was so soft I replaced it with a quality 5mm which also tightened with an Alan key rather than a screw driver... system works really well.
I believe there is a Mk2 available now.
I'm happy with my Mk1 version, thanks Peter Parfitt.
I have purchased the Mark 2 Parf Guide system. So far I have made 3 tops in the 48x48" size in baltic birch. It is a good system. Being in the US I ordered parf dogs directly from UJK. I found the UJK dogs to be extremely tight and hard to remove. The Veritas dogs sold by UJK are loose in fact they seem too loose to me. Perhaps it is the baltic birch plywood but the tolerances seem extreme. I also chamfered all the holes with the UJK Parf chamfer. The tool makes great chamfers. Here again the tolerances are so tight that the wood squeaks in high pitch tones when using the chamfer. Additionally, I used a web wrench as a handle to spin the chamfer in the holes. I could not turn so many holes by hand. After spending a lot of money on the Parf Guide and dogs I WOULD DO IT AGAIN. One more item, as of November the Parf Mark 2 system is not available in the US from Veritas. I ordered my directly from UJK and received it in 2 days from the UK. That is better service than I receive from most US suppliers.
Thanks Ken. The Mark 2 system is also out of stock in the UK now.
I have waited about a month for my back order of the mark 2 system too, the parf super dog is excellent in solving the loose feel problem and also you may find it very handy to be able to insert into the dog hole deeper without the shoulder or chamfer added configuration, it won’t get in the way with your track saw as the normal tall dog is too high and get caught with the motor in some occasions
Try paste wax with ujk parf dogs- worked for me. By the way did you have problems with parf dogs being not perpendicular to the surface of the bench?
Charlie DIYte well dang, you’re right! I’ve had my eye on it for a few months now, and been waiting on a good week to pick up the Mark II system...hopefully it doesn’t jump in price when they restock!
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Nice video, thanks for doing this. I wanted to comment on this thing about justifying our purchases. I am a DIYer, I am a retired bloke who worked 51 years, paid into pension schemes all that time, hence I have a good income in retirement. Life is about choices; some people can 'justify' regularly buying a new car, fancy clothes, the latest phone, the best golf clubs, etc etc. I have a reliable old Mercedes with 200,000 miles on the clock, however I choose to buy the best tools - I have a lot of Festool stuff and I bought the first version of Peter's Parf Guide system. I have to justify them to no-one (except me), I enjoy myself on a daily basis in my workshop, I'm sure I couldn't justify them on a cost benefit analysis unless you can put a price on enjoyment/satisfaction. Keep up the good work!
George, South Yorks UK
As an 83 yo bloke, I agree with your philosophy.
Hello Charlie, glad you bought it. You will not regret. I bought the Parf system 8 months ago and I could not be happier. I had the hard time having straight squared cut with the circular saw and my work really improved. With several dogs I can assembly perfect face frames without struggling when I assembly them and I insert pocket screws. I work alone and the guide, the dogs and few jigs that I built with them made my woodworking life better. The price is high but the quality that you can deliver using it is phenomenal. I wish there were more video on tips, tricks and jigs you can create with it. One suggestion: while you drill the hole try to vacuum the dust at the same time. That saves time and improves accuracy and oil the bits more often. And...if you look at the new isometric pattern is even better. I wish I bought the Parf Guide 2 because of the additional holes that can be used for additional applications. Have a wonderful 2019 with your new workbench !!
You took your time to get out episode 5 so all I can say is great job and I look forward to you showing how you put I to use. Keep them coming. And thank you for the huge amount of effort you are putting in to make these videos. 🤓
Cheers Mark. Yes, Christmas got in the way and then the video became an unwieldy monster to edit - took me over 3 days editing pretty solidly to put it together 🙄 Thanks for taking the time to comment - can't tell you how valuable you guys are in keeping me doing these videos!! Happy New Year and thanks for the support!
Hi, I would like to recommend to drill 2-3 mm deep holes using the 20mm drill bit from the underside first and you will be rewarded with absolutely no tear out. It takes only a few minutes more. Good job btw.
How would you know where to drill?
@@GrahamOrm * The 3mm drill holes
...which were drilled from the top.
@@philipkelleher2853 Aha yes, forgot those.
It's a good point mate. I think I'll do that next time!!
That's a very nice job. You did a good job and you finished the job. I would have drilled like 3 holes and then gone outside and smoked about 8 cigarettes. I never would have finished it. I know it wasn't easy.
That made me laugh, Alex!
I think you will find that the Parf dog system will radically change the way you work at your future projects. It has for me. I bought mine two months ago, along with a Makita P6000 plunge saw.... Yes that's a lot of money but it has truly raised my game when it comes to accuracy and finish. I'm completely satisfied and guilt free of the expense. Cheers.
I’ve watched so many of Peter’s video’s (he’s the double of my woodwork teacher at school (1960’s) who first got me interested in woodwork) and I never realised he was the ‘Parf’ in the ‘Parf’ system. I’ve just built my own workbench using two excellent ‘Toughbuilt’ sawhorses and am going to get the system having watched your video. Great video’s Charlie - you say it how it is - very down to earth!
I bought the parf guide system (MK1) quite some time ago and used it to do a couple of benchtops. It works really, really well, but it really is a one-trick pony i.e. there's not an awful lot else you can use it for, and sat gathering dust for quite a while. The great news is there seems to be a really good second-hand market for them and I ended up selling it on an online auction site for not a lot less than I paid for it.
I'd like to see the table in use to show the actual benefits of all that work!
You have to study the festool 32mm system to see the benefits of having a top like this.
Thank you for the review of this tool. I was curious about it before. Yes, an effort is made but what is craftsmanship without effort. Also, having a good tool which is your workbench your projects will be easier.
I would add an underneath cut at the bottom and add T-nuts countersunk and threaded inserts to the base. By having a clean undercut and the inserts making removals a breeze and keeping the base useful when the top is no longer to your liking you can flip the board for a brand new top.
Excellent video and with each use of the tool it becomes less expensive once your friends know about they might want to borrow it ask them for a couple of bucks and everyone makes out in the long run.
Take care and thanks again.
Will from Akron Ohio USA
Hi Charlie, I have just stumbled across this by chance. Many thanks for taking the time to do this and for your honest approach. I agree that the price may seem high for the DIY market but the benefits really do out way the cost - near perfect 90 degree and 45 degree cuts every time AND when your top gets messed up you can use the PGS time and time again to create new ones. Also, it is possible to make an Isometric top which then gives you 90 degree, 30 degree and 60 degree cuts. Cheers. Peter
Hi Peter, great to hear from you! It's a fantastic system - no doubt the result of many years of head scratching, design, testing and honing! I also found your videos incredibly helpful. There's such an interest out there for mobile work benches for us DIYers. I don't know what I'd do without mine now, and the PGS has been a great upgrade. Personally, I use a sacrificial piece of 6mm MDF below the cuts so as to preserve the workbench, but I suspect that's just me being a DIYer and that I'd find it tedious to have to do that if I was using it every day! I'm very much looking forward to using the grid system on my forthcoming bedroom cupboard build and there will no doubt be a great deal of video footage of it in action! One interesting idea a few people have suggested to me is to drill lightly into the overside with the 22mm bit, using the guide holes, to prevent any splintering when the bit comes through. Quite a good idea, I thought! Cheers, Charlie
Hi Charlie, Yes, it took 2 years work on my own and then when Axminster came on board another year before we had the final design - all very exciting and quite hard work but worth it. I do not get hung up about breakout from the cutter as it is minimal with Medite MR which I use for all of my tops (as you say in your excellent video). But if people really want to invest the extra time doing the under cut then that is fine. I have found your blog - how do I contact you privately? I do not use any form of social media except RUclips. Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop Neither do I, Peter. I only really have time to post a weekly video - certainly not for any of the other social medias! You can reach me on charliediyte@gmail.com
Charlie I use some of the extra grid holes to hold tool holders I made to fit the grid spacing. A great way to hold screwdrivers, chisels, drills, etc to keep them from rolling off the bench or keep them close at hand...
I like it Ron! I'm sure it would have annoyed me if I hadn't drilled the whole lot!
@@CharlieDIYte
Now that you have one for yourself. Make a backup but do not do it all at once. Just spend 30 minutes here and there and it will be finished in no time.
I just completed my work bench using this system. Unfortunately I used 33mm thick melamine which has created a big problem. Because it’s so thick the “L” shed hold down brackets won’t fit in. I now have to disassemble the bench and chamfer the holes from underneath to allow the clamps to work. Very annoying! 😡. You did an excellent job with your bench. Very impressed. 👍
Great job Charlie. My concern is the folding workbench staying perfectly aligned, as you've effectively bridged across both pieces. You may need to add some dowels or domino type pins along the mating edges to keep it true and maintain almost perfect 90 and 45 degree cuts. Happy New Year.
Morning Charlie. Here's a suggestion for you. Get these from eBay (Benchdog With New Megagrip Rubber Mft/3 Protectors). It will save your bench & no need for any sacrificial board for protection. Place your 70mm Parf dogs, use the UJK rail clips, place over the dogs & cut 'til your heart's content, without any damage to the new board. Just remember to ensure the depth is set correctly on the blade. Great series & a Happy New Year to you
you can buy the tops from cnc places for about £30 for a festool mft size £100 for a birch ply one
Great video as always. Simple worthwhile and just about Affordable. I've built a small and medium size top using these tools and very happy with both. I found that using a vacume in a little self made holder jig while drilling, made the process much easier and I bought a cheap centrikey adaptor for my drill for quick release. Dave Stanton has a few worthwhile ideas but tends to work using tools that need a morguage.
Yes the parf guide system is a brilliant piece of engineering. Wish I could rent it. For the drill connection couldn't you use a standard 1/4"quick connect. I know I said quarter inch shoot me. But whatever system you have for quick change chuck like on an impact screw gun.
I have the mark2 system and it is worth every penny of it. The mark 2 system further increases the accuracy of the operation but having said that the original one done the job beautifully regardless. I have join two different patterns of dog holes together, one being the one you showed for straight and 45 degrees cuts, and also the pattern for drilling 30 or 60 degrees as shown on the relevant part guide system RUclips. As you move on you will find it may be time for another or additional worktop so ok to lend it to a friend but better keeping it in long terms though
Its definitely a collective purchase for the diyer and it's not only expensive but it's probably only a one time affair for most of us diy folk.
Maybe you could lease it out or do some bespoke (made to measure/order) bench tops and sell them to recoup some of the cost.
It's been an interesting Road you have taken us the viewer down and I for one have enjoyed watching the progress.
Charlie thank you for taking the time out to make these excellent videos and I'm looking forward to seeing what 2019 brings.
Goodluck and happy new year.
Thanks Thomas - I'm inclined to agree and I suspect the niche appeal is why they haven't been able to make the price more sensible. You're not the first to suggest the leasing option - which I think should include everyone buying their own UJK forsner bit so that each time it's reused, it's as good as new.
Thanks for the video - very interesting. Hopefully you have very good and repeatable alignment between the two halves of the bench. If not, it would lead to inaccuracies.
Thank you for all of that. "No", is my answer to the 'worth' of the tool. While I understand you buying the tool for demonstration, I really do believe that good DIY'ers could fabricate a squared-up 'wooden template' comprising of equally spaced 4 holes in opposing corners, and then just duplicate the 4 holes as the need arises. Hope this makes sense! :)) Once again, thank you so much for the investment you put into this video. Well done!
First time watching your channel, watch all five videos, but for me the best upgrade is the folding mechanism.
very nice and interesting playlist. You should also upgrade your workmate-type workbench. Especially those tops that have seen better days. I own one too and good ideas for upgrades are always welcome.
You're right. I definitely need to do that. I'll add that to the list 👍
Great video, certainly given me some ideas about how to address some design challenges for my mobile workbench. Thanks.Yes, this Parf system is costly, however, the one time outlay gives you the ability to develop very accurate solutions in the workshop. So far I've created 5 different benches/jigs using the Parf system (and will be creating more, probably based in part on this series). I bit the bullet and also purchased the Festool MFT Fixing Set. Together, they have revolutionised so much of my workflow. I'm lucky and have an understanding wife, but I have no regrets in either purchase.
I read the news today, oh boy
Four thousand holes in Blackburn, Lancashire
And though the holes were rather small
They had to count them all
Now they know how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall
One of my favourite albums. I couldn't find a Beatles imogi so a ladybird will have to do! 👍🎶🐞
Hi Charlie
Found this very interesting mate I was considering investing in one of these jigs....... But there is A company literally 10 minutes away from where I live that make a much simpler jig something like a worktop jig for £45 which I think is great, plus it would only take you a quarter of the time to make… I’ll let you know how I get on
Still catching up on your older stuff 👍👍👍👍
I think the UJK system is very well engineered and well thought out. It seems like a lot of extra work, but it obviously makes your workbench much more versatile and useful for many unforeseen needs in the future. I suppose the UJK system is not damaged in any way and so may be put aside to re-do the bench top at some other stage when it gets a bit worn or if you make a tragic error and cut into it with a circular saw without putting a sacrificial piece of plywood underneath to protect your bench. You might also be able to alleviate the cost somewhat by HIRING this system out to others for a few quid here and there (OOPS ... hope there won't be a problem mentioning that!). GREAT set of videos making this bench. I thoroughly enjoyed each one. Very informative, never boring, well presented. 5 stars.
Hi there - many thanks for the kind words, and for the long and detailed comment. Yes, it is a lot of extra work, although I was doing it out of curiosity for the video, and it will have made the bench a bit lighter. Also, you needn't do the whole table. A lot of people just drill out selected areas. Yes, the kit is totally undamaged. The only thing you may have to occasionally replace is the drill bit but it's good for a few tables yet. If you hire it out, then obviously you're reliant on the people you loan it to looking after it, but you could make the requirement that each person takes the kit with an new forsner bit.
I really fancy doing one of these but can’t help feeling even though it’s folding it would suit a more permanent sort of workshop so for now I think I’ll stay with my door top. Great bench though and great vid, thanks for sharing 👍
ThePhilandPam , I purchased a hollow luan bifold door and set it up on horses for the job site. It's been about 2 weeks or so and although it's flat, square and light I'm not thrilled with it. I was thinking about adding 3/8 birch plywood on top and bottom but I'm not sure how to attach it. Maybe a gallon of glue and a shit ton of weights?
mark schiavone top and bottom should be reinforced already, could you glue and screw straight through your reinforcing pieces into the existing ends. Like the idea of a light bifold top, sounds good 👍
ThePhilandPam , I was thinking about screwing it down but didn't like the idea of screw heads on the top. I'll try gluing the plywood in a couple of weeks and I'll let you know how it works out.
Thank you for this video. I'm a secondary woodworker, meaning I do electronics first and then the cabinets or enclosures second. I'm building work stands for 3D printers and CNC machines. I loved your videos on the foldable workbench as I also do not have that much space to work in. Even though I don't have a use for the UJK Parf system it was great to hear you talk about how well it worked and watch to the gradual march of the holes to success. You have gained a new subscriber. Keep Broadcasting!!
Thanks mate. Really appreciate the subscription!
One more item the UJK has a dust collector available. It works great and it has a 36mm port. Use the guide with a shopvac and there is zero dust except for the bottom punch out waste.
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Thanks Ken, that would have saved me a lot of mess!
Thank you you’ve done a great job don’t let anybody tell you any different good luck
about the price of an MFT/3 replacement table top. I bought mine from Veritas and made a 3' x 5' bench top. Using the grizzly track saw and it works fine for much less than the Festool equivalent. My pocket hole jig is mounted on a 3/4" MDF board with the parf system holes. I simply put the long dogs thru the holes and the jig doesn't move, no clamps required. I use the regular dogs to square up drawers and cabinet boxes because the grid is square and versatile. This system pays for itself.
Again, sacrificial foamboard insulation would minimize tearout from the forstner bit. Alternatively, set the stop collar to the depth where the brad point penetrates the opposite side of the sheet. Then, flip the bench top over and finish drilling the hole with zero tearout.
I looked at this, but in the end bought a small CNC made MDF top from eBay for about £50 and it's worked well enough for what I use it for - extremely accurate as well!
Could you please give the link to the ebay shop. Thanks
@@gordonLP Don't know about ebay, but they start from £42.50, including UK mainland delivery here: www.cncdesign.co.uk/replacement-perforated-festool-type-mft3lp-top.html
@@gordonLP It appears that they're no longer active on eBay, but this is the company: www.cncdesign.co.uk. I also bought a set of their bench dogs and am very happy with them.
I see someone else had mentioned them below!
Just a thought, but there are so many free second hand dining tables on FB, it could be good to start with one of these and customise it
Good point - particularly given the current prices for timber! We picked up a Victorian side board on eBay a few years ago for £45 took the top off it and made an undermount double wash basin for the bathroom. Cost a few hundred once marble and sinks factored in but they retail for over £1k.
Way too expensive. I did my own using a large square and a £15 portable drill jig. Made a base for it with locators to go in the holes already drilled, just moved it along. Works great. Made my own dogs on the lathe (wood). Easily done in a drill press if you don't have a lathe. Total cost £15 (already had the Forstner bit). 45 Years in the trade, tells me I'd use it occasionally on site, but not often enough to spend that sort of money on the UJK kit. More use in the shop on small items, useless for door casings, doors, skirtings etc. Subscribed.
Your work bench must be loads lighter! Almost no need to have cut it in half now with all that material removed! 😂
Yet another super upload Charlie. Thanks.
I don’t think I’m going to employ this upgrade right now, but if I want to later, I think this was a great tutorial for an amateur. (no offence) Peters upload is a bit full on for me!
My work table that you described has honestly changed my hobby of woodworking. I use our garage when possible, so a modular table was essential. I built mine a wee bit smaller 800 mm x 5ft.
It’s easy to move around and deconstruct. It is ULTRA stable for mounting (with clamps) power tools.
Thank you so much for your uploads.
You make lots of scary/unapproachable tasks less scary and very achievable.
Happy new year Charlie.
First timer here, nice video. I have fence setting on merits of buying or ??? That’s a lot of money for a 3 - 4 - 5 system that’s been around for millennium’s. This is going to require still more personal convincing.
And yes I “liked and subscribed “.
Looking good, I am thinking of doing something similar and will be using plywood, however you can buy cnc cut boards from £30 for the MDF and £50 for birch ply check out cncdesign.
Not full 8x4 sheet size you can't.
Sharp Edge Woodworking true but you can join them together and have a subframe underneath, I don't know why Axminster can't hire them out and we purchase the consumables, I just think it is very expensive for a possible one time use.
@@raysmith1992 one time use?? The worktop is a sacrificial surface which when constantly using a tracksaw (which is the systems primary purpose) I'm cutting into the surface all the time. Over time your top is gonna need replacing (depending on your level of use/abuse of course)...but every few years I'm gonna need to re-drill a new 8ft top. I can't speak for your casual DIYer or hobby enthusiast but it will get used many times in my world.
@@SharpEdgeWoodworking-UK With careful use there is no reason to chew up the surface too much. Peter Millard's channel '10 minute workshop' shows him using Festool products for cutting and clamping frequently without causing damage to the table. Festool gear is very expensive but Peter does this work for a living, so it is justified for him.
@@willford8475 I don't think he used the UJK system to do his, they were bought in. Trade won't buy this it's way too expensive for use once every couple of years. I'm 45 years trade. Made my own using a large square and a drill jig. Works perfectly.
I always wondered how to make these holes equidistant. Thanks. Nice build.
I'll start by saying great informative video as usual Charlie 👍🏻👍🏻. But to answer your question at the end, I personally can't see the justification in the cost for something that just allows you to drill holes accurately spaced.
I work in the airline industry so I'm used to high tolerances but for us diyers a rule, a pencil and a drill bit is all you need.
After all this is just holes drilled into a work top to hold your workpiece down. When I did mine I just drew an evenly spaced grid on the worktop and drilled a hole at each intersection. Voila a hole to drop your clamp into.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for accuracy but sometimes basic tools and practices is all you need.
Saying that I really do love how your workbench came out.. Spot on.. 👌🏻
What a load of tosh. If a pencil and a drill bit (quote) was all that is required to attain this level of accuracy, then the kit would not be required. It is flying off the shelves all over the world BECAUSE it is an improvement in the way of doing things especially now that track saws are standard all the way down to DIY. If the airline industry relies on a pencil and a drill bit for accuracy I will eat my hat. If you personally (quote) cant see the benefits that ACCURATELY drilled holes bring I am gazumped as to why you are in a precision industry!! Think man beyond the actual holes themselves.!! TC
@@terrycoleman5877 OK 1 you miss understood what I said, and 2 I could've explained it better.
What I meant was that for us diyers we don't need holes drilled to that accuracy to just clamp down pieces of work while we do our work.
With just a basic grid drawn onto the worktop and holes drilled large enough to pass the clamp through is all that is needed. Hence a pencil, rule and drill is all that is required.
Rolling eyes. I give up, I honestly do,@@brettappleton2761
Really interesting series. I'm definitely going to be making a similar folding bench in the new year... not sure I'll be able to justify this Parf system although it is cool. Thanks for the vids.
You're welcome. Thanks for the comment!
Great video showing the average Joe using the tools not that yure average young man lol. CNC'd MFT styled (dimensionally accurate) tops are selling for about £50 /£60 on flea bay. the ability to do custom ones remains a treat. Buy between a few good mates and share it lol
I'd like to see you make another one with one of the other template tools just for comparison of speed and accuracy.
Cheers mate. To be honest, the average DIY'er (like me!) only needs a fraction of the number of holes I put in this (mainly for clamping things down, rather than for achieving perfect cut angles), but it will come in useful for a wardrobe build that I'm tackling soon. 👍
Charlie DIYte, you should organizes these workbench videos into a RUclips Playlist so they are easy to access as a group of videos.
I have, my friend: ruclips.net/p/PLyai2ugIzdZXJ1nnlk9art1fbWIhV-Zt_
You can buy pre drilled sheets on Amazon for £30-40. They aren't full sized (90 x 120 iirc) but they look like a bargain compared to this! I think they are sold as replacement tops for Festool MFT tables
That'd be £101 for replacement tables on Amazon atm.
@@retiree1033 good point.... Good job they're still available here. www.cncdesign.co.uk/replacement-perforated-festool-type-mft3lp-top.html
Well, if you look at how much you have to pay for a Festool MFT table, about $650.00 plus tax, sounds like a good deal. I definitely will get the UJK system. Thanks for the inspiration.
Patience of a saint!
Use a screwdriver bit extension works for me. The drill can then be lifted from the bit
Loved this work bench series of videos.
Thanks!
Can you explain why the high accuracy is needed? Can you demonstrate a situation where this would be used? I cannot see how the bench dogs, and clamping stuff to the benchtop requires this level of accuracy in the placement and drilling of the holes.
Also please review the matchfit clamp system with the matchfit dovetail clamps and dovetail slots.
Apart from the above, all very interesting and I do like the workbench!
The high accuracy in only relevant, Jon, if you intend to use your bench dogs to align a track saw guide at 90 degrees to the piece you're cutting, so that you can make perfect 90 degree cuts. Otherwise, you're absolutely right, you can just drill holes anywhere you want, which is mostly what I use it for. 👍
An Idea ive had in the past but haven't needed to do it yet. If you need an expensive tool for a one of job you could buy it used from ebay or somewhere, use it it and then re-sell it :D
Or if you're not a mega cheap skate like me, buy it brand new, use it and then sell it.
How about by it and keeping it and making several of them and exploring were it can take your wood work.
Holy molly That was a lot of work (sorry Charlie, I could not resist). A lot of money for the system, hopefully you can sell on the jig. I make dog hole grids in my workbenches from a home made grid, but obviously not to the precision of the Paff system. Also you can buy knock off dogs at a cheaper price or make them out of Hardwood which is what I do. I hope you get lots of use out of it to justify the price. Happy New Year.
Thanks Peter. It is a lot of money but I've got to say, it's a phenomenal system. Looking forward to using it now!
Hey Charlie. I have just picked up your videos this month and had a crash viewing. Your instructions are very clear and easy to watch. I have followed this series with great interest and wonder if you could show us how to use a table like this?
Good video again Charlie very informative. Even though it looks initially expensive when you eventually make another top for your bench (bearing in mind you have 2 individual tops per bench) you’ll see your money’s worth I’m sure and what’s stopping you making the tops to sell too clamp a couple of pieces of ply together when you’re making them and you’re doubling up for the same amount of work! I also wonder whether the 20mm bit would fit into a Trend Snappy quick release bit holder?
Hey Charlie. You get fed up of drilling holes don't you! I've got 128 holes in my station and I'm glad I only have to replace it every couple of years. But it's a great system....and I wouldn't be without it now.
Drill it for a short while put it away and then go back to it again later. It is not that hard.
@@bighands69 I couldn't wait a week to get it done.
The kit is quite expensive indeed but you can always take a middle way
1 buy a ruler at ujk (you can buy them separately) 40 €
2 make another ruler with help of the first one
3 buy the small pens for the rulers 12 € optional
4 buy a parkside drilling jig ruclips.net/video/D3LsVoGtM4c/видео.html
And then go on you have the possibility to make a very accurate grid which is the most important in the process
5 for the enlargement of the holes enough clips how to make jig ruclips.net/video/NMbbWVXCsMo/видео.html
The saved money you can use to buy the dogs of ujk which I did
Good thinking 👊
Magic....nice one matey.
Thank you very much for reviewing the UJK Parf Guide System! Exactly what I needed to see. Here of late, I have been intrigued with this system. Your video helps solidify my decision. I do plan on purchasing a setup for myself.
~newly subscribed~
Really enjoy your videos. And I love that you use Ryobi! Cheers from America
@CharlieDIYte Could you demonstrate how the table is used now that the holes have been drilled? The Parf guide system is of course very expensive 'just to drill some holes', but obviously there's more to it than that. Could you show us why the holes are useful and how spending the time and money to create the table will benefit your work flow?
Loved this system, I agree that it is a tad pricey but if you are going to use this everyday it's probably worth the effort. As an Upholsterer it does require you have to have some DIY skills, chairs need to be repaired before rebuilding with new upholstery. Every day is a learning day that applies to life really, this principle can be used to make ply board templates that can be made for deep buttoned footstools which I do quite a few of, and all the measuring every time (due to varying sizes) would save a lot time on each job having templates prepared already. Thank you Charlie #alwayshelpinguswitheverydaydiyissues
Looking back at this video! It was the same time that you stopped being a DIY guy and left us behind to loiter lol! You became Mainstream and Commercial. It is 2020 now and it seems that you're prosperous! Nice one!
Hi there. Ooh, I'm not sure I agree with you there. I'm still a DIYer using the same tools. It's just I'm spending a bit now time on my videos and hope that with a bit of tweaking I can do this full time at some point. I won't let any commerciality compromise the integrity of my videos though and to date have only done one paid video, which was a lesson learnt. 👍
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HAHAHAHA just giving you a bit of grief mate! I'd still enjoy your contents and still learn new things so keep up the good work!
i would say it's justifiable for the sake of keeping your sanity, and to keep your frustration to a minimum, think about it , all the lumber you mess up making mistakes, pays for it alone, and if you do things the way you have , making a shooter board (half assed track saw), and little cheats here and there, it's not that bad an investment, and you can make as many tables as you want, but i can't tell you how annoying it is to go to hardware store, buy something that is suposed to be square, (rafter square, or combination square) only to get it home and find out it's off, this thing is gauranteed square, so it's almost insurance
now i have made a stationary paulk bench, and i used peg board as a jig for my dog holes, and it's pretty close, the place i put my gutting guide is dead on, but some of the holes through the center are a hair off, i also used an auger bit, 3/4 ", and they just want to chew the material up, but still not too bad, there are lots of "dog bassed" accessories here in the states that are 3/4", and the 20mm unes fit pretty good if you wrap masking tape around the shaft, but if i had just gotten the parf thing to begin with , i wouldn't always have to seccond guess if my table (really a precision tool)is rite, get the damned tool if you like that piece of mind
Thanks for that buddy. They do mft tables here with the holes pre-drilled. Can you get those in the States?
Great video, just watch the accuracy of the holes that bridge the two work surface halves! Using cheap exterior ply might make using the Parf chamfering tool (if you decide to chamfer the holes) impossible. Maybe another reason why people use MDF.
Hi Charlie, "Tool station" do a bit holder that fits into your drill and makes a quick release system for about £3:00. I think their are even cheaper ones as well. I like the idea but my work area is too small so I will have to settle for my chop saw
Saw there's a hand burr type tool to chamfer the holes. Definitely considering getting this kit but after I build my workshop 🙄
Congratulations on finishing your workbench! :)
Hope you make some really great projects on it
Wolfcraft do the best drill stop collars for the money Charlie ,nice job.
Thanks Michael. Yes I used them for this video. Awesome bit of kit ruclips.net/video/UPHk6A14EWo/видео.html 👍🏻
Please pardon my ignorance as a newbie, but why is the extreme precision necessary? Please illustrate some examples of how you use this system?
I appreciate you and your new found channel and all of the time you invest in your videos. Thank you so much.
I love your vids Charlie, always concise and to the point. Too many others feel the need to over talk.
With regard to the Parf system i really can't help wondering that with a little ingenuity, a plate adapter with locator pins for a plunge router would do away with all that trying to get a true vertical drill hole. I'm sure most people who would be advanced enough to warrant using this system would probably own a router. Also do you not think that with a couple of quality metre steel rules, a technical drawing pencil, some fine panel pins and some accurate marking you could acheive equal results at an enth of the cost?
Anyway great work and my silicone skills have now exceeded all expectations!
Mark.
Thanks Mark! You could be right, in that I reckon you could get the holes in the ruler pretty accurate and perhaps a jig for the router base to get the spacing right between the holes but drilling that many holes with a plunge router would be hard work.
Thanks for the video. You can buy a cnc top for 35 to 55 on eBay. Not as big as yours but much easier to manage.
I may have missed it, but did you happen to weigh it before and after? Did it lighten it up a bunch? I've looked at that system. You would have spent as much for half as much workspace with a Festool MFT top... plus have it for "next time" if you forget to set the blade depth on the saw one too many times and want a new deck for your bench. I'm sure it stung writing the check, but it doesn't really hurt if you write it really quick. Plus, the quality looks to be there. Cheers to a great series!
Thanks - I appreciate that! No I didn't weigh it unfortunately. I should have done but I'm waiting for new batteries for the scales, and the video became a bit of a monster to edit (took me two days!) so little extras like this went out of the window, I'm afraid 🙄 I'll let you know if it feels lighter!
I’m thinking of purchasing the tool, create the top, then put the system for sale on eBay, even if you sell the kit for half price.
I’ve read a few people considering the same but then deciding to keep it, either to make another workbench in the future or make additional shop furniture with Parf guide system in the top
The accuracy is really impressive. But for such a high price tag, they could have included some kind of dust collection port...
That is an optional extra now.
Chris Dupont Peter Parffit who came up with this system has a RUclips video showing and home made dust collection system for the Mark 1 system. The Mark 2 version has a dust collection port included as well as a few other upgrades.
Chris Dupont
High price?
Table saws can cost £10,000. It is only about £170 for the guide system. I have drills and hand saws that cost twice that price.
Good video, thanks for posting. I confess to being a little mystified by the MFT. I can see the need for a versatile fence line / dog hole line at the back of the table precisely aligned to another line 90 degrees so you can cut perfect right angles quickly and accurately - i can even see the benefit of some inside the table for clamping - but do you really need them all over the table? And pay £150 / £200 on a tool that’s only purpose is to create these holes. If this system also became a fence i think more people would invest. It’s also worth noting that even a small number of holes - as i have with mine - still means losing a lot of screws if it’s your only work bench. Don’t get me wrong if you have the space in your shop for a second bench and money, go for it but you can create accurate dog holes where you might need them with care and patience as well. PS - I do blame Peter P for my growing Festool collection - he’s just too blasted good!
I completely agree. That's all you need. I was mostly interested to see if it reduced the weight much. I've had a few conversations with Peter. He's a lovely guy. 👊
@@CharlieDIYte it’s a good shout regarding the weight if portability is required. I hadn’t factored that. Ps just started using the MFT quad hinge from benchdog, a great addition to speed things up 👍
Great vid, and it even weighs less now! 😀
Hi Charlie, do you need to buy the extra bits for the PARF system, or can you make do with only the main kit? Thanks
Hi Sharon, no you can certainly make do with the main kit and if I'm honest I rarely use the extra bits - I've literally never used the star knobs!
@@CharlieDIYte Thats good to know... Hopefully will tackle your folding workbench system first as I have those exact saw horses and then go from there! Keep up the good work. Your channel is very inspiring and you explain stuff really well, so thank you!
I would have thought there would be a good second hand market for the kit, to enable others to build the same. Then a sell it on afterwards. Only real cost then would be the extra bits you need to use it.
I agree. You could even buy the drill bit each time as that's the only bit likely to degrade.
HI Charlie, enjoying your videos lots of good information. I came across your channel while looking for info on how to fix the damp in my conservatory, just bought a dehumidifier in the end. While looking for help i came across this item that might help you if you're still having problems yourself. its well worth a look and would make a good video even though a video has been made already by another youtuber. it's called a Drimaster Eco HC and is available to see on Amazon, i can provide a link if you require. Anyway keep up the great work !!
Thanks mate, that's really good to know. I'm currently experimenting with an Ebac unit. Will be doing a video on it some time soon. Funnily enough I think someone else mentioned the Drimaster on this feed. Sounds like a good system!
Thanks
You have created a large accurate workbench for a modest cost, you also have the tooling to replicate other benches for portable work etc many times over. You’ll be exploring the aluminium rail with stops before long. I’ve an MDF variant that I bought and the level of accuracy in cutting repetitive cuts goes up enormously. Productivity for professionals is another consideration. This is a great system that will pay for itself, as a DIYer it is beyond my realms but the variant I have really improves cutting sheet material. Thanks for taking us on this journey - it’s great. Look forward to more on this. Happy New Year to you and your family.
Looks great! But I agree, probably too pricey for most DIY'ers. That is, unless we all chip in and borrow it for a week or two then pay it forward.
Allready talking to my friends
Trade won't buy it, it's aimed at DIY'ers with more money than sense.
I was thinking of buying it, using it for what I want then popping it on ebay. You'd probably get 70-80 of the original cost back.
@@matthewdartford9501 That's the way to do it. Cut yourself a few. Enough to make them cheaper than buying them pre cut, then work out how long they will last and see if it's worth it?
A Festool MFT top is 43” x 28” and costs around $125 US. That’s pretty small IMHO. A replacement top for Kreg’s new table system is 55” - 29-3/4” and costs about $150. Better size. The UJK system costs between $220 and $280, so roughly 2 table tops. Except that you can lay out the holes exactly how you want them. You can make the top whatever dimensions suit your needs.
Oh and the TSO GRS-16 parallel edge guide I was considering costs $180. That produces 90 degree cuts but is limited compared to a perforated table top.
Am I trying to rationalize buying this product? Honestly, yes. It’s just such an elegant solution!
I seen a nother video of you making a nother table with your saw horses really cool
Just built mine today. I wish I made it 3 years ago when I started renovating our first home! 😂 I made it 800 wide X 2000 so it will fit in my van. Fairly easy to move about but I think it needs a Dolly. Also considering making it foldable like you have. Did you varnish it or would you recommend varnishing it? I imagine all of those holes made a difference to the weight? 😂👏
I agree. I couldn't manage without it The dolly wheel is a game changer - did you see my vid on that bit.ly/3r89Bpm? To be honest as long as you have 4 saw horses you don't really need the hinges although I am pleased I cut it in half because it was just too big to lug around before. You could always screw or bolt the two halves together. No I didn't varnish it and haven't really regretted that. I think varnish could make the surface a bit slippy 🤔 A few marks add to the patina. What does annoy me though is forgetting to raise the blade of the plunge saw when transitioning from 18 to 12mm MDF as I have a few cuts across it now following my recent wardrobe build. I guess the holes helped with the weight but not noticeably 😉
Charlie, just revisiting this one - how much have you used the cutting station (Parf guide produced) for its intended purpose and what is your view now of its utility - especially for cabinet construction?
Hi Norman, great to hear from you! Honest answer - almost never for 90 degree cuts but I use the holes a lot for poking through rail clamps to fix down pieces of timber. I'm just mulling over why I didn't use it more for 90 degree cuts on the wardrobe build. I think probably because of the size of the pieces I was ripping down. It is undoubtedly very good though as a concept and when I have used it, with the parf dogs for it's intended purpose it does put a smile on my face. I suspect the faff of setting it up means that for quick repeat cuts people like Peter Millard have their hinged track they can quickly let down over a piece of timber. I'll ask Peter as I'm on a forum with him. 👍
@@CharlieDIYte Hi Charlie, thanks for the feedback. That’s a real shame. With your top produced by the Parf guide you do not really benefit from the hinged rail (the Festool MFT with rail is because the rail is 90 degree to the MFT frame as their dog hole layout is not certified true with the frame) all you need is Parf dogs for the back of the rail to sit against, and a fence set up for repeat cuts or a section of board set up with a clamp for repeat cuts - you are going to have spend some more money.😉🤣. Edit - Look at what this chap has done for his MFT - he has some great ideas (and deserves many more subscribers). ruclips.net/video/cuzfoUUMuaY/видео.html
It's a very clever system but quite expensive for a light use DIYer. £220 could but you 3 or 4 commercial made MFT style tops with dogs and I doubt most users would go through more than 1 or 2 in a lifetime of hobby work.
If however you are a member of a club, mens shed type thing, or even just have a couple of friends who are into woodworking then I could see that it would be quite cheap to club together and share one, maybe just buy your own drill bit to save arguments over sharpness.
With the system you can make MFT system tops of different sizes, materials and shapes. If you adapt the MFT system to your wood working it will enable you to do lots of things cheaply and easily.
You could build one that sits on a wall that allows you to clamp things to it sitting up. It will go as far as your imagination allows.
Have my guide system on order.
great video i have one a its brilliant use it all the time when i need a new saw top well worth the money all round a great system
There's a kid on RUclips who uses every third hole in a Festool 32mm hole track to achieve the same function as the Parf system, holes on 96mm centers, though they're 5mm rather than 3mm. I'm headed in that direction, I think, when I fully understand what he's doing. Might be nice to get Parf's 20mm bit and Parf's clips to fasten track to dogs, eh?