Thanks! This is the first video I've seen that demonstrates the correct procedure. You're absolutely right - we need to start by drilling all the 3mm pin holes we can reach. Then, we can tackle the ones that are inaccessible. For instance, Peter Millard's method wasn't ideal, especially for beginners seeking the best approach. The only missing element here would be perfectly squaring the first row using precise measurements from the top's exterior.
So freaking in love with this. I have a one car garage woodshop that is 11’ x 17’ and I currently have a tablesaw that takes up too much valuable real estate so this could be perfect to have more bench space and still have the ability to do accurate, repeatable, cuts!
This video is perfect. Hard to find this guide system in America now but the way you broke it down makes me feel confident in doing something like this on my own.
I love it when math makes things simple and easy. I also noticed that Alec Steele shirt that you have on. Love seeing my favorite youtubers acknowledging or wearing etc things from each other. It's like watching the avengers come together.
Once again, extremely thorough in your explanation and execution. I actually just bought this system yesterday and found your video on the Parf system today. Can't wait to get it.
At the beginning of the video I checked out the system on the Axminster website. £150?! Surely that's not worth it. By the end of the video, totally sold that it would be useful investment. Solid effort!
Yeah, I was the same; it is an expensive bit of kit but the precision involved is not cheap. Bearing in mind that a decent precision metre rule is around £15, so that is £30 off the bat.
@@reframeyourbody That means you have to go and ask them to do it. With the system you can do it anytime you want with any material your want. You are assuming that everybody has easy access to some makerspace.
Very nice thorough video - I'm sold. I'm not the most familiar with Festool but I see you using a Bosch driver with the Festool centrotec bit. In the USA the Bosch is a 1/4" hex.. Did you buy an adapter?
I've been working on ideas for rigging up a shooting board like this. I haven't gotten the details nailed down yet, but being able to precision miter with hand tools is appealing to me.
@@MattEstlea understood. I own a track saw and always leave a slight kerf in whatever I am cutting on top of. Do you calculate the depth? Or is there another method? Again, love your videos. Keep up the great work. BTW, is the parf system suitable to use for a roubo style bench with a thick top?
@@peterrodrigues1098 Don't know why this wouldn't work with a roubo style bench. Parf dogs come in short-, long- and longer- length so a longer dog would secure well in a deeper dog hole. Not sure a roubo style bench would be conducive for precision track-saw cuts using parf system, however.
I just purchased it the other day, upto drilling the 20mm holes now, i did notice there is a little play with the dogs inserted into the orange part, how did you find it?
Seems great but the only thing I'm confused about is a how you don't end up cutting into the table. I understand you can set the depth for the track saw. Do you have to set up the depth perfectly each time to avoid cutting into table? Thanks
Looks good, an MFT for half the price and a few hours of work. p.s. Matt, I was customer#1 at the new Lee Valley store in Laval. Robin Lee watches this channel Hi Robin.
Matt, I like the look of the clamps you are using in your Parf system demonstration. Would you please provide the name of those clamps along with a link to where you acquired them?
What's the deal with those red clamps used early on? What are they called and did they come with the pads on the clamping surfaces? I feel a sudden need.
Nice Matt! ... I'd think again about filling that whole sheet with holes. I only have a small MFT top and having things drop through the holes is SUPER annoying. Maybe a less busy pattern
Matt thats awsome but is 2.4mtrs a bit big for your work shop buddy ? Will you have space to walk roud safely ? I cant wait for the build though. Keep it up buddy
As the size is 20mm, does this stop the use of Veritas 19mm dogs. Specifically,, I was hoping to use Veritas Quick-Release Wonder Dog as a vice, so I wasn't sure if 19mm is better to cut into your board than 20mm, any suggestions?
Hi Matt My table saw needs replacing, but i am thinking of investing in a good UJK Parf system. Bearing in mind i wont be cutting full boards do you think it could replace a good table saw and if not where would the table saw be better.
Quick question about the larger Parf table mentioned at the end: if the table is the same size as an entire sheet, wouldn't that mean it could not handle cutting a sheet because all of the dog holes would be covered?
Hi Matt, this tool seems expensive, but after watching your video I‘m ready to get one - it‘s also available in Germany I‘ve seen. Over time, it will be worth it when drilling several boards. I wonder if the drill is sold alone as replacement, since a regular Forstner bit will not do it? However, my actual question is: I‘m in the process of buliding a small Paulk style bench from 15mm birch plywood. Do you think it,s better to glue up the torsion box before drilling or after. It would be easier to route and chamfer from both sides before glue up, but maybe building the box before ist better? Does that make sense? Greetings from Munich, Jens
Hi Matt, Any problems with break out on the back side of the MDF, particularly nearer the end of the drilling when the edge would have gone from the bit. Thanks for the tip will have a look at the Mk II to see if it is worth it. I, like you am planning on doing a large 8' x 4' table, maybe a Paulk style "thick top" on trestles - have you considered that over a fixed table? For the space from time to time. Keep up the good work!
It makes a huge difference what quality MDF you use. If you use the crap Wickes & most builders merchants sell you will get loads of breakout & also the drill bit will clog up constantly making the whole thing a nightmare. You really need to use high quality MR MDF like Medite or Kronospan you will get a shaving when drilling & no breakout. Peter Parfitt's videos have some examples of cheap vs quality MDF. I use Kronospan for my tops & can't fault it.
With all the explanations, I'm now thinking of doing a kit myself. All it takes is two long straight edges with evenly spaced holes. Those are not so difficult to make - a pin used as a stop block for the first hole, then the last drilled hole slipped onto the pin fixates the piece for the next hole - on a drill press.
It's not difficult to make an approximate version. It's VERY difficult to make it perfectly aligned, spaced, perfect fit and diameter. Since it's what all the other cuts are based on, I wouldn't recommend this. You need a VERY tight tolerance CNC machine to make all this so precisely milled, and this is how the parf kit is made. Lots of jigs and tools can be successfully shop-made. For this one I'd say probably no (unless you do indeed have the equipment)
@@MattEstlea I can confirm the stability. We have those here in the U.S. Same design, just different color and branding to reflect the local store's brand. Looks like you've got the ones with the adjustable height legs, I opted for the non-adjustable ones but I cannot see that as being much of a difference. I've used these to layout and build a steel utility trailer and they held up beautifully.
John douglas - Using a plunge saw as opposed to a circular saw can really help with accuracy of depth of cut. The Bosch plunge saw above has an on/off rail depth guide cursor that helps too. That said, the reason jigs like that demonstrated above and replacement MFT tops etc exist is because they do succumb to wear - like cutting into the top. You can minimise this further by using a sacrificial piece below, like some 6mm ply, that would still allow you to use shallow 12mm dogs or, use bench cookies to support your work and use longer 40-80mm dogs for guides.
@@TheWareek the purpose of the Parf is to be able to recreate the system quickly and with the same accuracy. So when the top is worn just get another top and drill away.
Matt, I am a new viewer to your channel when RUclips dropped this video on my desktop. I have enjoyed the video but after visiting the Axminster website believe the chamfering tool is not included in the kit but is an extra piece of kit which costs 30 Euros. I subscribe to Peter Millard and The Gosforth Handyman but will try to catch some of your other efforts.
That's what he said in earlier videos! It's kind of an experiment. With limited space it can make for a great assembly table too. I'd like to see a Parf top on a torsion box.
Oh thanks, I missed that. Other than the tables being a nice extremely flat table, which is nice to have, the table itself is much more useful with the Parf table in his setup, so this is pretty cool, but only if you can really afford not to have a tables in your shop...
Matt Apart from the impressive accuracy of your depth setting I noticed that even if there were a kerf cut in the table it would not be over another set of holes. I think manh other track saws would cut across another row of holes, so is the track on the bosch narrower than say the Festool track? This is one of the reasons I think some people go for raile dogs rather than Parf dogs, i.e. that moves the rail across slightly and avoids cutting over a row of holes. My issue with the Parf Guide has always been one of cost. I know why it needs to cost a lot, as it is made to very precise tolerances, but for an individual it is not really economic versus buyjng cnc made tops unless you use a lot of different table tops for different jigs. Always struck me that it wojld be a great buy for a club where the cost could be shared. Looking forward to the build series, everyone loves a shop project! Terry.
Matt - what are the details of the cordless drill you use in this video - I know the parf system drill is a centrotec fitting - interested in getting a kit but not sure about the drill.
i guess if you have lots of money... but high price to pay unless you're going to make tables for a living... easily made with some careful measuring and a few strips.
How to not use the parf guide system: Don't try to remove the debris when drilling with the forstner bit by hand. Get a vacuum cleaner of some sort instead! Good news: I've started a new youtube challenge - Drill yourself in your finger with a forstner bit! I expect Jimmy Fallon to make recurring segment on the tonight show any day now. Other than that - this system is so very excellent. I marvel when i test the accuracy while making them!
Hi Matt. Like your You Tubes and I understand you have to come up with ideas but mate just buy a small table saw and make a small out feed table, it will be roughly the same size as your future set up and be far less hassle setting up. It’s also far easier moving and locking a table saw fence and I will assume you will grow tired of this system over time (I agree it will also have its benefits) I say this for advise to newbies and I’m not knocking you or your ideas. When you reach my age/experience you will think differently from your today’s thoughts. If I had time and the inclination I would make some tutorials myself. Time served Ships Joiner and Scouse b’stard living the life in Aus
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Hi this system is getting pushed in Australia by a great woodworking company. And your video explained it perfectly. Thank You.
Pythagoras - the most useful thing we learnt at school when it comes to woodworking and construction.
Just watched The New Brit Workshop video on the new mark 2 Parf System what an improvement and Peter Parfitt video was excellent
Thanks! This is the first video I've seen that demonstrates the correct procedure. You're absolutely right - we need to start by drilling all the 3mm pin holes we can reach. Then, we can tackle the ones that are inaccessible. For instance, Peter Millard's method wasn't ideal, especially for beginners seeking the best approach. The only missing element here would be perfectly squaring the first row using precise measurements from the top's exterior.
All that work and you grove the top 😱. Awesome job Matt your attention to detail and skill is amazing.
So freaking in love with this. I have a one car garage woodshop that is 11’ x 17’ and I currently have a tablesaw that takes up too much valuable real estate so this could be perfect to have more bench space and still have the ability to do accurate, repeatable, cuts!
This video is perfect. Hard to find this guide system in America now but the way you broke it down makes me feel confident in doing something like this on my own.
Just get it at tso or lee valley
I love it when math makes things simple and easy. I also noticed that Alec Steele shirt that you have on. Love seeing my favorite youtubers acknowledging or wearing etc things from each other. It's like watching the avengers come together.
Once again, extremely thorough in your explanation and execution. I actually just bought this system yesterday and found your video on the Parf system today. Can't wait to get it.
Now I see why it’s best to use the parf dog system, Awesome tutorial thanks for the information. Take Care.
Awesome to see you support another maker (Alec Steele)! Great job on the table too.
Pythagoras..., also works with time?
3 minutes = time to explain it
4 hours = time to do it
5 days = time to edit it
I don’t know, with my videos I tend to swap the first two around 😂
Another very informative video mate..three words for you....CNC...life is on short!!
I see the improvements but the old one Peter designed still works brilliantly.
Peter used the LR32.... is that what you are referring to?
@@panhandlemtb4308 Peter Parfitt not Peter Millard ;)
Great video! In all my years I’ve never heard of a parf table. Makes so much sense. Makes cuts idiot proof. 😝
Mr Matt hopefully a power tool manufacture will one day start making left handed tools! Am going to buy a parf dog system in the near future.
At the beginning of the video I checked out the system on the Axminster website. £150?! Surely that's not worth it. By the end of the video, totally sold that it would be useful investment. Solid effort!
Yeah, I was the same; it is an expensive bit of kit but the precision involved is not cheap.
Bearing in mind that a decent precision metre rule is around £15, so that is £30 off the bat.
I agree, you can go to your local makerspace or ask a shop with a CNC to do it for much much cheaper
@@reframeyourbody
That means you have to go and ask them to do it. With the system you can do it anytime you want with any material your want.
You are assuming that everybody has easy access to some makerspace.
$260 in Australia and your not going to use very often. Tjere are easier amd cheaper ways to do the same job
@@MichaelMoore-nf9ho if they made it cheaper to buy they would sell a lot more.
Nice job John Snow! You know something!
I don't have money to spend on parf system so I'll just lay peg board on my workbench and use the predrilled holes to mark my new holes. Bang on.
Great work. Thanks for taking the time to explain it all. I saw your post on Festool Owners Group.
Thank you for making this easier to understand. I’ve got the mk1 and now I actually feel like using it.
Very good I like your directiveness, keep it up
I have been looking at this one and the woodpeckers template, seems the woodpeckers might be a bit faster using a plunge router vs drill bit.
A really good video and explanation 👍
had a discussion at work today hand tools vs machines. for this plate I kind of am glad we have a 5 axis cnc at work :)
5 axis ?
Very nice thorough video - I'm sold. I'm not the most familiar with Festool but I see you using a Bosch driver with the Festool centrotec bit. In the USA the Bosch is a 1/4" hex.. Did you buy an adapter?
No comments mentioning CNC?
I simply have a CNC at my work, so it was my first thought when watching this video.
Anyway, this system looks great!
Watch Dave Stanton, a much better video on how to build work station.
It works. So does a CNC cut template. Which is cheaper, and a whole lot quicker. I have done both and I know which I will use in future.
How do you not cut into the MDF table? Just setting the depth stop very accurately?
I've been working on ideas for rigging up a shooting board like this. I haven't gotten the details nailed down yet, but being able to precision miter with hand tools is appealing to me.
Simply brilliant.
Its a good system. A bit Pricey, but worth the cost if you like easy accuracy for cabinets.
Great video! What is the trick to set the depth of the saw? I didn't see a kerf in the table nor a sacrificial board...
I thought exactly the same.
My thoughts too
This is a plunge saw. It has stops set at every mm so you can be super precise!
@@MattEstlea understood. I own a track saw and always leave a slight kerf in whatever I am cutting on top of. Do you calculate the depth? Or is there another method?
Again, love your videos. Keep up the great work.
BTW, is the parf system suitable to use for a roubo style bench with a thick top?
@@peterrodrigues1098 Don't know why this wouldn't work with a roubo style bench. Parf dogs come in short-, long- and longer- length so a longer dog would secure well in a deeper dog hole. Not sure a roubo style bench would be conducive for precision track-saw cuts using parf system, however.
I just purchased it the other day, upto drilling the 20mm holes now, i did notice there is a little play with the dogs inserted into the orange part, how did you find it?
Seems great but the only thing I'm confused about is a how you don't end up cutting into the table. I understand you can set the depth for the track saw. Do you have to set up the depth perfectly each time to avoid cutting into table? Thanks
What a brilliant system. Im impressed. And a great tutorial.
What are the incriminates between each hole.
100mm 90mm ???
I can't find an answer anywhere.
Great video.
The workbench looks great. 👍👍
Are there issues with fit after sharpening the cutter or do you just buy a new one?.super video by the way..thanks.
Anyone know where you can buy this in the States?
Nicely explained, thanks. Looking forward to the table build.
Very nice! Do they make a 3/4" dog version of this?
Hey I saw your photo in a woodworking magazine!
Looks good, an MFT for half the price and a few hours of work.
p.s. Matt, I was customer#1 at the new Lee Valley store in Laval. Robin Lee watches this channel
Hi Robin.
Matt, I like the look of the clamps you are using in your Parf system demonstration. Would you please provide the name of those clamps along with a link to where you acquired them?
I really need to get this done on my Shopsmith table system.
Wooooow! The Joe Wicks of RUclips woodworking.
Aaah I understand now. Thanks for the clear tutorial.
Great clips Matt! I wonder: How do set the depth of the circular saw so it doesnt cut into your table? It looks like you didnt even scratch the table?
And now i read the other comments - i withdraw the question :-)
Awesome video...you made it easy to understand! I'll be ordering it from Axminster. Thanks!
What's the deal with those red clamps used early on? What are they called and did they come with the pads on the clamping surfaces? I feel a sudden need.
Nice Matt! ... I'd think again about filling that whole sheet with holes. I only have a small MFT top and having things drop through the holes is SUPER annoying. Maybe a less busy pattern
Looks like a good system to me! Thanks.
Matt thats awsome but is 2.4mtrs a bit big for your work shop buddy ? Will you have space to walk roud safely ? I cant wait for the build though. Keep it up buddy
How did the track saw not cut into the parf table?
As the size is 20mm, does this stop the use of Veritas 19mm dogs. Specifically,, I was hoping to use Veritas Quick-Release Wonder Dog
as a vice, so I wasn't sure if 19mm is better to cut into your board than 20mm, any suggestions?
Could you use this jig to make dog holes on a split top roubo work bench?
Brilliant!
Hi Matt
My table saw needs replacing, but i am thinking of investing in a good UJK Parf system. Bearing in mind i wont be cutting full boards do you think it could replace a good table saw and if not
where would the table saw be better.
Quick question about the larger Parf table mentioned at the end: if the table is the same size as an entire sheet, wouldn't that mean it could not handle cutting a sheet because all of the dog holes would be covered?
You could always just have a full sheet overhang one side of the table to expose a row of dogs... then cut
Can these tables be made with a CNC?...or is it more accurate to do by hand?
Is MDF board the best option for this system or plywood and other woods are fine?
How do you cut through the board and not hit the top with the blade? I didn't see a cut mark on table top!
Holy balls man! That’s pretty awesome! I wonder if that saw can handle 8/4 or larger?
Great work! Ingenious system!
Another quality video!
Hi Matt, this tool seems expensive, but after watching your video I‘m ready to get one - it‘s also available in Germany I‘ve seen. Over time, it will be worth it when drilling several boards. I wonder if the drill is sold alone as replacement, since a regular Forstner bit will not do it? However, my actual question is: I‘m in the process of buliding a small Paulk style bench from 15mm birch plywood. Do you think it,s better to glue up the torsion box before drilling or after. It would be easier to route and chamfer from both sides before glue up, but maybe building the box before ist better? Does that make sense? Greetings from Munich, Jens
Hi Matt, Any problems with break out on the back side of the MDF, particularly nearer the end of the drilling when the edge would have gone from the bit. Thanks for the tip will have a look at the Mk II to see if it is worth it. I, like you am planning on doing a large 8' x 4' table, maybe a Paulk style "thick top" on trestles - have you considered that over a fixed table? For the space from time to time. Keep up the good work!
It makes a huge difference what quality MDF you use. If you use the crap Wickes & most builders merchants sell you will get loads of breakout & also the drill bit will clog up constantly making the whole thing a nightmare. You really need to use high quality MR MDF like Medite or Kronospan you will get a shaving when drilling & no breakout. Peter Parfitt's videos have some examples of cheap vs quality MDF. I use Kronospan for my tops & can't fault it.
Great demo and video. I've been sceptical of the system, but you sold it! Without the filming how long do you think that took to do? ✌️
The affiliate link to the Parf system is not working for me. USA viewer, September 2020.
same issue here. not sure what's going on.
With all the explanations, I'm now thinking of doing a kit myself. All it takes is two long straight edges with evenly spaced holes. Those are not so difficult to make - a pin used as a stop block for the first hole, then the last drilled hole slipped onto the pin fixates the piece for the next hole - on a drill press.
It's not difficult to make an approximate version. It's VERY difficult to make it perfectly aligned, spaced, perfect fit and diameter. Since it's what all the other cuts are based on, I wouldn't recommend this. You need a VERY tight tolerance CNC machine to make all this so precisely milled, and this is how the parf kit is made. Lots of jigs and tools can be successfully shop-made. For this one I'd say probably no (unless you do indeed have the equipment)
Nice clamps, what brand are they?
Cox Solo 150. See Amazon UK.
Pythagoras who what site is he on 😂🤣😂 great as usual Matt 👍
also really liked the music in this one :)
What sawhorses are you using here?
How stable are the Axminster saw horses? I need a similar set up for my garden when projects are too big for my shed
They’re very popular. They feel quite wobbly when you first unfold them. But once they’re locked in place they’re amazing
Suppose I’d best go to Axminster then 👍🏼
I looked into the saw horses from Axminster....then I looked a bit further.
I ended up with the toughbuilt C700
Fyi
@@MattEstlea I can confirm the stability. We have those here in the U.S. Same design, just different color and branding to reflect the local store's brand. Looks like you've got the ones with the adjustable height legs, I opted for the non-adjustable ones but I cannot see that as being much of a difference. I've used these to layout and build a steel utility trailer and they held up beautifully.
Thank you for the awesome tutorial!
Interesting. Dave Stanton in Australia has a bench he made using either that system or one that is similar.
Oh yes Ill be taking some of those tips!
I admire the alec steele t shirt merch!
Awsome work think ill make one of these at work on the CNC machine. 2m bed 👍 much easier lol perks of the job lol
Were is that square from at 18mins?
Bridge City Tool Works. (T-square price over US$200!)
You have an alec steel t-shirt on, is there a collaboration coming???
how do you avoid over time ripping the top up i.e. being half a mill out in your depth setting
John douglas - Using a plunge saw as opposed to a circular saw can really help with accuracy of depth of cut. The Bosch plunge saw above has an on/off rail depth guide cursor that helps too. That said, the reason jigs like that demonstrated above and replacement MFT tops etc exist is because they do succumb to wear - like cutting into the top. You can minimise this further by using a sacrificial piece below, like some 6mm ply, that would still allow you to use shallow 12mm dogs or, use bench cookies to support your work and use longer 40-80mm dogs for guides.
thought that might be it but on several videos I have seen could not see anything like that. Very much appreciate the prompt reply
@@TheWareek the purpose of the Parf is to be able to recreate the system quickly and with the same accuracy. So when the top is worn just get another top and drill away.
COOL! MATH!!!!!
Matt, I am a new viewer to your channel when RUclips dropped this video on my desktop. I have enjoyed the video but after visiting the Axminster website believe the chamfering tool is not included in the kit but is an extra piece of kit which costs 30 Euros. I subscribe to Peter Millard and The Gosforth Handyman but will try to catch some of your other efforts.
So why do you need a load of holes in the table,?
That is genius
Why is you latest vid, the workbench, private???
I just looked online and every store seems to be out of stock, are these discontinued ?
Try Lee Valley. That's where I picked up mine.
this is going to be very interesting
erm.... 3,4,5, at the quantum level, does it allow for The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle? Don't mind me - sweet little table!
where did you get an alec steele shirt? love it! haha
So I take it you're planning on using the track saw instead of a traditional tablesaw setup? Not a criticism just curious! Great video!
That's what he said in earlier videos! It's kind of an experiment. With limited space it can make for a great assembly table too. I'd like to see a Parf top on a torsion box.
Oh thanks, I missed that. Other than the tables being a nice extremely flat table, which is nice to have, the table itself is much more useful with the Parf table in his setup, so this is pretty cool, but only if you can really afford not to have a tables in your shop...
Matt
Apart from the impressive accuracy of your depth setting I noticed that even if there were a kerf cut in the table it would not be over another set of holes. I think manh other track saws would cut across another row of holes, so is the track on the bosch narrower than say the Festool track? This is one of the reasons I think some people go for raile dogs rather than Parf dogs, i.e. that moves the rail across slightly and avoids cutting over a row of holes.
My issue with the Parf Guide has always been one of cost. I know why it needs to cost a lot, as it is made to very precise tolerances, but for an individual it is not really economic versus buyjng cnc made tops unless you use a lot of different table tops for different jigs. Always struck me that it wojld be a great buy for a club where the cost could be shared.
Looking forward to the build series, everyone loves a shop project!
Terry.
Please, what are raile dogs?
Matt - what are the details of the cordless drill you use in this video - I know the parf system drill is a centrotec fitting - interested in getting a kit but not sure about the drill.
Nice!
i guess if you have lots of money... but high price to pay unless you're going to make tables for a living... easily made with some careful measuring and a few strips.
I wonder if you mailed similar comments to Jeremy Clarkson?
How to not use the parf guide system: Don't try to remove the debris when drilling with the forstner bit by hand. Get a vacuum cleaner of some sort instead!
Good news: I've started a new youtube challenge - Drill yourself in your finger with a forstner bit! I expect Jimmy Fallon to make recurring segment on the tonight show any day now.
Other than that - this system is so very excellent. I marvel when i test the accuracy while making them!
Link to purchase no longer works
Thanks for the cheque Parf Guide and Axminster
Hi Matt. Like your You Tubes and I understand you have to come up with ideas but mate just buy a small table saw and make a small out feed table, it will be roughly the same size as your future set up and be far less hassle setting up. It’s also far easier moving and locking a table saw fence and I will assume you will grow tired of this system over time (I agree it will also have its benefits) I say this for advise to newbies and I’m not knocking you or your ideas. When you reach my age/experience you will think differently from your today’s thoughts. If I had time and the inclination I would make some tutorials myself. Time served Ships Joiner and Scouse b’stard living the life in Aus