This is almost exactly the upgrade I just did! I used the 16" 2.4 GHz i9 MBP for work for the last 3 years (but with 5300m graphics and 32 GB RAM) and now got the M3 Max 14 core base model, but 14". I also got a 16" 2.4 GHz i9 with 5600m and 64 GB RAM refurbished for personal use. Got it because they are way cheaper now, still cheaper than the base M1 Pro MBP refurbished. And I wanted to be able to connect 2 external screens, have a big internal screen and great speakers, and also run x86/64 VMs (Windows, Linux etc.) So I have pretty much the same direct comparison. The main difference is battery life, heat and fan noise - there are worlds between the two machines. But for the most part, the Intel MBP handles my personal use without any issues, and I'm happy that I didn't get a M1 Air or non-Pro MBP for the same money. But for work, the Intel MBP was often hitting the wall. Especially when having multiple VSCode projects open, with one or two servers and Docker running at the same time, VSCode having live share and jest watch running, and a bunch of browser tabs and screen share - this was when I'd say the M3 Max would be 30x faster, because the Intel MBP just couldn't handle that load at all.
Great insights, thanks for sharing. Apple silicone chips blows intel out of water when it comes to video processing. But it all boils down to what the user wants todo with the machine.
can you run x86/64 VMs (Windows, Linux etc.) in MBP with chip M series? I'm confused when I have to choose whether I need an MBP with an M series chip, or an old MBP with an i9. because my work is involved with VMs, routing, server emultators, etc
This was a very compelling video - I've watched at least 42 video on YT trying to determine if I should spend the insane money Apple wants for their new laptops. As I mentioned in my first comment, your video helped me immensely. Since you asked us to suggest anything else for you to try out, (and, if you have access to a decent external GPU) - could run that against your M3 (to show us if these M3 macs can even compete with a really powerful GPU)
I am in a similar position in as much as I bought a 1Tb, 32Gb 15" i9 MBP with Vega 20 GPU in 2019 which cost me around 3.5k... just before the 16" version came out... (yes, I was p'ed) but tbh I have used it every single day and don't have many complaints - although more for dev stuff rather than video, although I do a little bit now and again - and I don't really play games... I found your vid v interesting as I was thinking with all the hype around the M chips that getting a new MBP would be crazy fast in comparison to what I have now, but having seen your vid - I am not so sure and I think I will hold on until the M4/5 chips come out and see then... lol - the thermals are not the best on mine and the fan can kick in but for the most part I am happy with it... great video!
i still use 2019 16" i9 and i think will gonna use until 2026/27 before upgrade, just use for coding and web developing / web design still good till now and some times do full hd video editing, i feel no minus on performance until now except the noisy fans :)
Great comparison video - thank you. You've convinced me to hold onto my MBP 16 (which has an external AMD RX Radeon 6900 XT GPU) until the next wave of "M" releases
This review and the commentary below is just sad. First, the Intel chip using DDR4 RAM are for system memory and the Radeon graphics has onboard RAM of it's own. Unified memory is just memory shared between CPU and GPU. Considering that CPU and GPU are now on the SoC, it makes sense to call it unified. In the IBM compatible world, this is called hypermemory. Hypermemory is where hardware manufacturers tried to steal system memory for graphics. The reason the Intel i9 loaded faster is that it does not have performance and efficiency cores, just one type and is drastically overpowered for what is available in ARM chips, which the M3 is an ARM type. The M3 Max is likely using the 8 (or 10) performance cores on booting or it could be using the 10 (or 12) efficiency cores but not necessary to use both. Single thread processing or multi-thread processing is also a factor. The BIOS booting up MacOS is likely not meant to multi-thread as it is going through POST, or power on self test. That's the reason that M3 Max is tearing up your i9 on applicable use and dragging in boot. I would say that one thing you Mac fanboys can learn from the PC world is how the hardware is structured and works together. You would understand how the 32GB unified memory is comparable or even superior to the 64GB DDR4 RAM. It's about bandwidth (bits across the bus) and frequency. There is DDR, double data rate, and there is HBM, high bandwidth memory. This is where unified memory has likely switched from the former to the latter and the memory size allocation doesn't matter. It's how fast can you load and unload into the memory space, not how much you have. Also by moving the CPU and GPU together, you reduce clock cycles to transfer data between them. You can thank Microsoft for this as they rewrote their APIs with Vista from XP that revolutionized this. I found this comparison useless and only bought a Mac because having a high performance PC desktop and a laptop running Windows is useless and more people are adopting expensive Macs.
Did you move all your apps and data over using Time Machine? If that's the case, double-check to ensure the apps you're running on your M3 Mac are ARM-compatible. If any app icons bounce a lot when you try to open them, they might still be x86 architecture versions running through Rosetta 2. I'm a developer and when I upgraded from late 2019 to m3 max and transferred all apps using time machine, the m3 mac didn't show a improvement initially, especially for my IDE (big CPU/RAM eater). Sometimes even slower. I investigated the issue a bit and it turns out that the time machine transfer will not substitute your apps with the arm based binary. This generally happens with large softwares, while smaller size softwares are more often shipped with both ARM and x86 binaries together(I guess it's because even packaged with both binaries, the size won't be too big). Reinstalling those x86 ones with ARM versions boosted the speed a lot.
bro i dunno why but I guess your script and your video is not matching... Itried two time but still there seems to be a problem. Kindy lemme know if its a mistake from your side but aside that the comparision was great
You brought the M3 home and cloned the i9 to it? I almost made the same mistake but Adobe software reminded me I needed to load M series software to my M3. It is sad you’re running Intel software on M series computer. Reset that thing and download the proper software then redo the tests.
If you want to compare to see if she stated facts in her presentation, YOU MUST do the comparison WITH THE SPECS THAT APPLE has STATED. IF You DID NOT compare the specs she used in her statement -- 16 core /40 Core GPU, 96 GB Unified Memory and 16 Core neural engine , then your comparison does NOT disprove her statement.
My 2012 pc plays asphalt smoothly..lol Use a proper game for such high-end machines:) Thanks for the effort though:) Intel Macs are here for a while. No need to jump on the next new toy for few seconds of speed increase.
I create content and started creating effects. Someone suggested I buy the 13 inch MacBook Air with M3 64 GB 8-10 core to save me some money do you agree or do you have any suggestions? Thank you for this video
i've been using my iPhone the whole time I need a computer to download effect house for TikTok. Do you think it'll be a big problem me going from touchscreen to a mouse when I create?
I have the i9 5600M 16 intel MBP 32 RAM 1TB and the 14" M1 Pro, if you have both keep them, some plugina and apps don't work well on the ARM chip and the other way around both are great machines for varies usage.
@@RavinPasha a 14th gen i9 mobile is also safe from the intel stuff that has been happening, it has a tdp of 55 watts. He also didnt compare the newest processor, the intel is almost 10-15% faster and costs a lot less, and its tdp is less when in idle.
Kinda wrong. Your comparing an older intel via a m3 MAX. It is NOT a fair comparison. And no, a 14th gen intel I9 isnt affected by the intel issues (its tdp is 55w) it destroys the m3 max with a 10% better overall multithread performace which is quite significant. Geekbench 6 is also very biased towards arm chips. Using linux on an i9 would probably make it 15-20% faster. And, you can lower the tdp and they are pretty simmilar watt for watt, just that the i9 can hit higher clocks and such. Id suguest actual benchmarks, like blender, cad, and NOT geekbench because geekbench is native which most apps arent. Its also like 2000 dollars cheaper and can have more ram.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I splurged on a similar generational upgrade even though I didn't really need it. Anyhow (@5:25) the GB6 scores of your I9 Intel are strangely very low. Single-core should be around 1600, almost double compared to your system. Multi-core around 7000, give or take. Just curious, is it possible that your MBP was set to Low Power mode during the benchmarking? Or perhaps something gone wrong with the thermal performance of your MBP, likely due to aging and heavy usage? From my experience, the major benefit of the new systems is power efficiency for light to medium tasks. As for performance, 2.5X improvement is what feels like to me (I don't do video editing). 11X? LOL I wish!!
A suggestion for your next video: Mac Studio M2 Ultra compared to Windows PC that *costs* *the* *same* . That would be very interesting. M2 Ultra gpu versus NVidia RTX 4090. Very interesting.
I miss these kind of tech review videos! Completely raw filming, side by side comparison. Bravo!
Thank you!
This is almost exactly the upgrade I just did! I used the 16" 2.4 GHz i9 MBP for work for the last 3 years (but with 5300m graphics and 32 GB RAM) and now got the M3 Max 14 core base model, but 14". I also got a 16" 2.4 GHz i9 with 5600m and 64 GB RAM refurbished for personal use. Got it because they are way cheaper now, still cheaper than the base M1 Pro MBP refurbished. And I wanted to be able to connect 2 external screens, have a big internal screen and great speakers, and also run x86/64 VMs (Windows, Linux etc.)
So I have pretty much the same direct comparison. The main difference is battery life, heat and fan noise - there are worlds between the two machines. But for the most part, the Intel MBP handles my personal use without any issues, and I'm happy that I didn't get a M1 Air or non-Pro MBP for the same money.
But for work, the Intel MBP was often hitting the wall. Especially when having multiple VSCode projects open, with one or two servers and Docker running at the same time, VSCode having live share and jest watch running, and a bunch of browser tabs and screen share - this was when I'd say the M3 Max would be 30x faster, because the Intel MBP just couldn't handle that load at all.
Great insights, thanks for sharing. Apple silicone chips blows intel out of water when it comes to video processing. But it all boils down to what the user wants todo with the machine.
can you run x86/64 VMs (Windows, Linux etc.) in MBP with chip M series? I'm confused when I have to choose whether I need an MBP with an M series chip, or an old MBP with an i9. because my work is involved with VMs, routing, server emultators, etc
It’s a RAM instead of GPU
It’s a GPU instead of Graphics
This is very relevant for me, I was looking for this specifically so thank you!
This was a very compelling video - I've watched at least 42 video on YT trying to determine if I should spend the insane money Apple wants for their new laptops. As I mentioned in my first comment, your video helped me immensely.
Since you asked us to suggest anything else for you to try out, (and, if you have access to a decent external GPU) - could run that against your M3 (to show us if these M3 macs can even compete with a really powerful GPU)
I am in a similar position in as much as I bought a 1Tb, 32Gb 15" i9 MBP with Vega 20 GPU in 2019 which cost me around 3.5k... just before the 16" version came out... (yes, I was p'ed) but tbh I have used it every single day and don't have many complaints - although more for dev stuff rather than video, although I do a little bit now and again - and I don't really play games... I found your vid v interesting as I was thinking with all the hype around the M chips that getting a new MBP would be crazy fast in comparison to what I have now, but having seen your vid - I am not so sure and I think I will hold on until the M4/5 chips come out and see then... lol - the thermals are not the best on mine and the fan can kick in but for the most part I am happy with it... great video!
Thanks a lot! It’s a good idea to wait for a couple more years as you have a capable machine already.
i still use 2019 16" i9 and i think will gonna use until 2026/27 before upgrade, just use for coding and web developing / web design still good till now and some times do full hd video editing, i feel no minus on performance until now except the noisy fans :)
I have the 2019 I9 as well and it's holding up well even with newest macOS. I have been itching to upgrade but don't need to
I’m surprised Apple doesn’t focus on launching apps. So much speed in the chips, yet such little progress on this.
Great comparison video - thank you. You've convinced me to hold onto my MBP 16 (which has an external AMD RX Radeon 6900 XT GPU) until the next wave of "M" releases
Glad I could help!
The i9 is no slouch and there are many known and documented fails of the M3 on youtube. M3 is a scam. 😅
This review and the commentary below is just sad. First, the Intel chip using DDR4 RAM are for system memory and the Radeon graphics has onboard RAM of it's own. Unified memory is just memory shared between CPU and GPU. Considering that CPU and GPU are now on the SoC, it makes sense to call it unified. In the IBM compatible world, this is called hypermemory. Hypermemory is where hardware manufacturers tried to steal system memory for graphics.
The reason the Intel i9 loaded faster is that it does not have performance and efficiency cores, just one type and is drastically overpowered for what is available in ARM chips, which the M3 is an ARM type. The M3 Max is likely using the 8 (or 10) performance cores on booting or it could be using the 10 (or 12) efficiency cores but not necessary to use both. Single thread processing or multi-thread processing is also a factor. The BIOS booting up MacOS is likely not meant to multi-thread as it is going through POST, or power on self test. That's the reason that M3 Max is tearing up your i9 on applicable use and dragging in boot.
I would say that one thing you Mac fanboys can learn from the PC world is how the hardware is structured and works together. You would understand how the 32GB unified memory is comparable or even superior to the 64GB DDR4 RAM. It's about bandwidth (bits across the bus) and frequency. There is DDR, double data rate, and there is HBM, high bandwidth memory. This is where unified memory has likely switched from the former to the latter and the memory size allocation doesn't matter. It's how fast can you load and unload into the memory space, not how much you have. Also by moving the CPU and GPU together, you reduce clock cycles to transfer data between them. You can thank Microsoft for this as they rewrote their APIs with Vista from XP that revolutionized this.
I found this comparison useless and only bought a Mac because having a high performance PC desktop and a laptop running Windows is useless and more people are adopting expensive Macs.
Did you move all your apps and data over using Time Machine? If that's the case, double-check to ensure the apps you're running on your M3 Mac are ARM-compatible. If any app icons bounce a lot when you try to open them, they might still be x86 architecture versions running through Rosetta 2.
I'm a developer and when I upgraded from late 2019 to m3 max and transferred all apps using time machine, the m3 mac didn't show a improvement initially, especially for my IDE (big CPU/RAM eater). Sometimes even slower. I investigated the issue a bit and it turns out that the time machine transfer will not substitute your apps with the arm based binary. This generally happens with large softwares, while smaller size softwares are more often shipped with both ARM and x86 binaries together(I guess it's because even packaged with both binaries, the size won't be too big). Reinstalling those x86 ones with ARM versions boosted the speed a lot.
bro i dunno why but I guess your script and your video is not matching... Itried two time but still there seems to be a problem. Kindy lemme know if its a mistake from your side but aside that the comparision was great
Yes correct.. I am having trouble watching his video. The voice and video is not in sync.
The unified memory argument is trash, cause I have to split the unified between gpu and cpu tasks where a descreeet gpu has its own memory
But adding dedicated GPU would consume tons more battery? Maybe it could be less than half what M procrssors have now
For me the upgrade was more about the much longer battery life, 120hz better screen and the how quiet the unit was over the loud i9 MBP.
You brought the M3 home and cloned the i9 to it? I almost made the same mistake but Adobe software reminded me I needed to load M series software to my M3. It is sad you’re running Intel software on M series computer. Reset that thing and download the proper software then redo the tests.
I would've thought the M3 was a lot faster than that
thank you for the review, the M3 Max isn't plugged, right?
do you know if adobe fresco can run with wacom tablets on those M3 latops ?
one costs 3000
the other you can find it for 600 on ebay
both can get shit done
better to have 3 intel macs than one apple mac
what kind of desktop light are you using?
are you mad? comparing i9-9980hk to m3？ why not try to compare m3 to 19-13900hx or even 13980hx?
If you want to compare to see if she stated facts in her presentation, YOU MUST do the comparison WITH THE SPECS THAT APPLE has STATED. IF You DID NOT compare the specs she used in her statement -- 16 core /40 Core GPU, 96 GB Unified Memory and 16 Core neural engine , then your comparison does NOT disprove her statement.
She says qoute “intel base model”. Meaning apples best vs intel’s worst lol. Play on words big time.
The multicore score is only slightly higher than 2.5X times. It's not even close to 3 times, let alone 4 times.
I am buying a MBP 19' in december
My 2012 pc plays asphalt smoothly..lol Use a proper game for such high-end machines:) Thanks for the effort though:) Intel Macs are here for a while. No need to jump on the next new toy for few seconds of speed increase.
You are just doing the bases right? Base m3 max,
I create content and started creating effects. Someone suggested I buy the 13 inch MacBook Air with M3 64 GB 8-10 core to save me some money do you agree or do you have any suggestions? Thank you for this video
i've been using my iPhone the whole time I need a computer to download effect house for TikTok. Do you think it'll be a big problem me going from touchscreen to a mouse when I create?
@@JANsEffectHouse I think a MacBook would be great investment if you’re into content creation. M3 MacBook Air is a great choice.
I am still on M1. Apple silicon killed intel. Don’t even get me started in noise and battery life.
bro!! compare heating levels too please!!
ive got i9 and i truly love it. thanks so muych for the video..
Will do soon
Try a beer pong match, Intel Marketing vs Apple Marketing.
I have the i9 5600M 16 intel MBP 32 RAM 1TB and the 14" M1 Pro, if you have both keep them, some plugina and apps don't work well on the ARM chip and the other way around both are great machines for varies usage.
Which one would you keep between the two if you could choose only one? Which one is all in all faster?
@@RavinPasha a 14th gen i9 mobile is also safe from the intel stuff that has been happening, it has a tdp of 55 watts. He also didnt compare the newest processor, the intel is almost 10-15% faster and costs a lot less, and its tdp is less when in idle.
Kinda wrong. Your comparing an older intel via a m3 MAX. It is NOT a fair comparison. And no, a 14th gen intel I9 isnt affected by the intel issues (its tdp is 55w) it destroys the m3 max with a 10% better overall multithread performace which is quite significant. Geekbench 6 is also very biased towards arm chips. Using linux on an i9 would probably make it 15-20% faster. And, you can lower the tdp and they are pretty simmilar watt for watt, just that the i9 can hit higher clocks and such. Id suguest actual benchmarks, like blender, cad, and NOT geekbench because geekbench is native which most apps arent. Its also like 2000 dollars cheaper and can have more ram.
would you recommend getting the intel i9 with 64gb ram 2tb? gonna be using it for davinci resolve and ableton !
Yes that config should help you in long run as well
Hi, what macOS version did you have on i9 MBP?
Sonoma
Thanks for sharing your experience. I splurged on a similar generational upgrade even though I didn't really need it. Anyhow (@5:25) the GB6 scores of your I9 Intel are strangely very low. Single-core should be around 1600, almost double compared to your system. Multi-core around 7000, give or take. Just curious, is it possible that your MBP was set to Low Power mode during the benchmarking? Or perhaps something gone wrong with the thermal performance of your MBP, likely due to aging and heavy usage? From my experience, the major benefit of the new systems is power efficiency for light to medium tasks. As for performance, 2.5X improvement is what feels like to me (I don't do video editing). 11X? LOL I wish!!
You need to cut the audio bc we can hear your gulp when its silent.
Please fix the video and voice sync issue on this video..
Sure thanks for bringing to my attention
Beautiful review. Thank you
is the audio delay or it just me ?
I think you are right.
I will check and get it fixed in next video. Thanks for your feedback 😊
Clean your screen. Why do people not clean their screens??
lol that’s the last thing we digital nomads would like to do
@@TekDoze LMAO. Yeah no judging here. Just hilarious to see. 😃
@@TekDoze is the M3 protected from fingerprint marks somehow because I see none? thinking about buying the black one...
How do you clean MacBook screens
Just use a microfiber to wipe off when it’s dirty
A suggestion for your next video: Mac Studio M2 Ultra compared to Windows PC that *costs* *the* *same* . That would be very interesting.
M2 Ultra gpu versus NVidia RTX 4090. Very interesting.
And the water is wet.
Doesn't make sense compare an i9 (and a old gen ) with a M3.
tell that to Apple, that's what they said in their keynote
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Nice now give me one😊
wowwwwww, the gaming performance is awesome O_o, sorry i am just being sarcastic, my 4080 mobile beat that m3 by a big big big big big margin...
What game ? Checkers or chess?
@@AlejandroGarcia-ft8tg 😂 😂