A lot of people just follow certain practices based on rumor and hear say. Glad to see the testing. I heard F class shooter Erik Cortina say he can’t get his barrel consistently dirty, but he can get it consistently clean. Makes sense to me. Accuracy is based on a lot things, eliminating inconsistent factors is our main job it seems, whether it be in ourselves, our ammo, or our equipment. Shoot on Brother!
Lol I watched that just last night and that definitely stuck with me makes total sense Also think he was talking center fire was going to comment and ask if he does same for rimfire 🤔
i'm quite surprised that tiny carbon ring made such a difference! definitely tighter groups after cleaning once it settled in! time to bust out the bore scope before my next range trip. very nice, cheers
You sure had better luck getting rid of that carbon ring than I have had. I wonder if it is because you rifle was still comparatively hot?@@RedNeck_Rimfire
What cleaner are you using? I recently switched to using just a carbon remover vs used to use rimfire blend. It seems to take less barrel seasoning to get back on point.
Nice video, but........ all .22's are not the same. My 1963 vintage Winchester 52 takes at least 40-50 rounds, and sometimes more, to begin to group again after a cleaning. Granted, my barrel looks like a sewer pipe compared to your 457's and I'm sure that is a factor. Also I don't really see much difference between before and after cleaning groups. That rifle does shoot well though. May need to get me one......
i'm pretty sure you hit that fly, i could see some splatter that wasn't there before. it look like he actually flew into your bullet at the last moment!!
@@RedNeck_Rimfire my main solvent was butches bore shine. I always cleaned at the range, never went to the house a dirty barrel. Don’t like stinking up the house.
@@RedNeck_Rimfire Tipton makes them. (same company that makes the TIPTON cleaning rods) I tried them, don`t waste your money. You can only push them through the barrel. If you try to push and pull the cleaning rod, the felt plug will fall off the cleaning rod tip. You can`t spin them in the chamber to clean out the carbon ring either. They won`t spin, the cleaning rod will just spin, not the felt plug. The felt plug is only good for just oiling the barrel rifling after a cleaning. Stick to mops and patches. The Tipton felt plugs are way over rated, and extremely expensive.
To be fair statistically there is no difference between the first four groups(avg 0.390") and the second four(avg 0.345"). Tested with both a T-TEST and Population test based on normal distribution. You'd need for your dirty groups to average about 0.540" before you could say with 90% confidence they were from different populations(or your clean groups to be the same amount smaller). Obviously there's still no reason not to pick the smaller one and clean your barrel. I clean all my barrels to bare metal every time I shoot because that's the only way to start from the same condition each time. Discarding the warm ups on each test that gun shoots very well!
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Clean barrel equals good groups. Great video.
A lot of people just follow certain practices based on rumor and hear say. Glad to see the testing. I heard F class shooter Erik Cortina say he can’t get his barrel consistently dirty, but he can get it consistently clean. Makes sense to me. Accuracy is based on a lot things, eliminating inconsistent factors is our main job it seems, whether it be in ourselves, our ammo, or our equipment. Shoot on Brother!
Totally agree. I usually clean my barrel and action before every match
Lol I watched that just last night and that definitely stuck with me makes total sense Also think he was talking center fire was going to comment and ask if he does same for rimfire 🤔
Thanks for doing this vid, good test.
Thank u
👍😊 that’s is the best video on cold bore clean and fouled I’ve seen. Nice shot on the fly.
Thx bud. Gonna do another one with about 1000 rounds through it
@@RedNeck_Rimfire I’ve always wanted know how the first shot was to the group , rimfire or center.
i'm quite surprised that tiny carbon ring made such a difference! definitely tighter groups after cleaning once it settled in! time to bust out the bore scope before my next range trip. very nice, cheers
Thx for watching. Merry Christmas
My Cz 452 has to be cleaned about every 20 rounds or it starts walking . Thanks for sharing
Appreciate you doing this. I have 2 457s and I believe mine respond in a similar manner.
They like to be clean
You sure had better luck getting rid of that carbon ring than I have had. I wonder if it is because you rifle was still comparatively hot?@@RedNeck_Rimfire
I’ve always had great results with that boretech c4 carbon remover
Great video. That gun doesn’t disappoint.👍
Thx a bunch. For a relatively low budget it hammers
@@RedNeck_Rimfire without a doubt. 👍
Nice vid. Subscribed. Will order some of the Bore tech carbon remover.
The stuff works great. Thank you
Nice shooting. A definite group change after cleaning. My results are similar to your results! 🙂
Thx for watching. I’m gonna run about 1000 rounds an do it again
Looking nice
Good video!! Please share what's your cleaning product, looks like a botle of CLP or M-pro 7? also Nylon brush? bronze brush?
Really interesting to see how much of a difference a carbon ring makes
Thx for watching
Great, informative video! You should have just shown the groups at the end.
Thx for watching 👍🏻
Good stuff 👍
Thx bud
What bore scope are you using?
What cleaner are you using? I recently switched to using just a carbon remover vs used to use rimfire blend. It seems to take less barrel seasoning to get back on point.
Bore tech c4 carbon remover
Nice video, but........ all .22's are not the same. My 1963 vintage Winchester 52 takes at least 40-50 rounds, and sometimes more, to begin to group again after a cleaning. Granted, my barrel looks like a sewer pipe compared to your 457's and I'm sure that is a factor. Also I don't really see much difference between before and after cleaning groups. That rifle does shoot well though. May need to get me one......
Interesting. Why the dirst shots after cleaning were so bad? Does the barrel wants to settle a little bit after cleaning and then start to group ?
Yes. Need to foul it back in. Normally doesn’t take more than 10 shots
Hey Beagleman here i want one of those scopes like you shoot i think it is arken ep 5 with that little dot i think that is the cats meow.
Beagleman
Good video. It's surprising how many people don't want to clean their guns. They are lazy, is all I can figure.
Rimfire loves to be clean
😢1@@RedNeck_Rimfire
After the first round, forth group, I would not have wanted to change anything,
Agree but I am looking for more consistency. I’m gonna do same test at 100 yards
i'm pretty sure you hit that fly, i could see some splatter that wasn't there before. it look like he actually flew into your bullet at the last moment!!
I think you’re right. While editing I could see splatter 🤣🤣
I shot NBRSA centerfire benchrest for 24 years, never went more than 20 rounds (2 targets) without cleaning
It is cleaned
@@RedNeck_Rimfire my main solvent was butches bore shine. I always cleaned at the range, never went to the house a dirty barrel. Don’t like stinking up the house.
Ever try the felt plugs for cleaning?
No. Don’t know what they are
@@RedNeck_Rimfire
Tipton makes them. (same company that makes the TIPTON cleaning rods) I tried them, don`t waste your money. You can only push them through the barrel. If you try to push and pull the cleaning rod, the felt plug will fall off the cleaning rod tip. You can`t spin them in the chamber to clean out the carbon ring either. They won`t spin, the cleaning rod will just spin, not the felt plug. The felt plug is only good for just oiling the barrel rifling after a cleaning. Stick to mops and patches. The Tipton felt plugs are way over rated, and extremely expensive.
What scope are you running
ARKEN ep 5
Is that a Lilja barrel ?
Yes sir
My CZ 457 mtr 20" with good ammo always shoots sub MOA at 50 meters. If it doesn't then it's my fault.
lol same here
Keep lot testing, you’ll ammo that shoots better
Yes I will
what's all that pitting in the barrel.
I didn’t see pitting
Pretty fly for a white guy.
Put a little honey on it next time
🤣🤣🤣
To be fair statistically there is no difference between the first four groups(avg 0.390") and the second four(avg 0.345"). Tested with both a T-TEST and Population test based on normal distribution. You'd need for your dirty groups to average about 0.540" before you could say with 90% confidence they were from different populations(or your clean groups to be the same amount smaller). Obviously there's still no reason not to pick the smaller one and clean your barrel. I clean all my barrels to bare metal every time I shoot because that's the only way to start from the same condition each time. Discarding the warm ups on each test that gun shoots very well!
Thx bud.im gonna do another test with about 1000 rounds through it, it should have much more carbine ring
CLEAN vs DIRTY Lilja, there is nothing CZ about that barrel.
Hey did we get the fly🤣🪰
I think so 🤣🤣