@@Dairunt1at least they do something with them every now and then unlike Sony. So many game droughts that could’ve been avoided if they had made a new Sly Cooper, new Parappa, or any other of their back catalogue.
@@paperluigi6132 lol right? What made Sony think they'd get by when they only release a new game every millenia? And only a handful look different from the other or are from their legacy IPs. It's hilariously baffling how short-sighted Sony and Microsoft both were this generation. What happened?
The fact the teaser worked so well means it was an incredibly smart choice. If they just announced Famicom detective club by itself in a direct? It wouldn't have done as well. I think this tease will make more people by the game than otherwise.
It's crazy that Sakamoto is still so Hands-On (directing, writing) in development. All of the other older Nintendo employees from the 8-bit era seem to have moved on to management or more hands off positions or even retired. Tezuka didn't even direct Super Mario Bros Wonder by himself and he's the only other really old timer that I can think of that's done something recently.
Uh no? Tezuka, Aonuma and everyone else who is a producer are literally hands on for those games. They arent directors but they are involved creatively, just like Sakamoto here who is a producer as well and might also be credited as writer, considering how he was credited as such on the remake
@@brentbechtold7352I think when most people think “Nintendo Horror Game” stuff like Eternal Darkness comes to mind. That’s an entire game that pioneered so many crazy new ideas for how horror games should scare the player, and had such a unique style with Eldritch horror rather than the typical video game horror style. Famicom Detective Club is horror-like at times, but it’s more like a crime thriller you can play due to being visual novels, rather than a full-on horror game that pushes the player to be scared through interactivity and game design. People were interested in the prospect of Nintendo doing something as weird and scary as Eternal Darkness again, so it’s just a touch disappointing knowing that it’s not that. Still cool that it’s a new Famicom Detective Club game because that series deserves more love.
Famicom Detective Club was relatively big in Japan. It arguably revolutionized the genre in ways other games didn't, and it honestly feels kind of disrespectful to hear from all the "why doesn't Nintendo do anything with their old IPs?" people go "no, not like that!". This is also the first internally-developed M rated game from Nintendo in history, so that's something to keep in mind too.
The remakes were developed by MAGES and this new entry will also probably be developed by them. They did say they wanted to remake the Satellaview game and/or make a new one.
Visual Novels are way bigger in Japan than North America (not saying there isnt a large fanbase for that gameplay style) and the NA gaming audience is typically more action and input focused as opposed to narrative. I'm thoroughly dissapointed in this announcement, but I'm super happy for the fans that this is for, it's a big moment for many people, just not something I see myself spending any money on. Rewind to before the initial FDC announcement and I bet absolutely nobody would have seen either ports or a new game coming. It's not disrespectful to be disappointed, this wasnt aimed at pleasing everyone, so when a vague teaser drops, people are justified in feeling disappointed. People can't be 100% positive all of the time, sometimes things go a different route than we'd want
@@Incompetent_Hero Some of the biggest visual novels (Ace Attorney, Danganronpa) do better outside Japan than in it. FDC could very well end up the same way if it actually gets a presence here. And no, it's not disrespectful to be disappointed. It is to go "no one asked for this, why isn't *insert other IP I care about" when people in Japan have been BEGGING for this franchise to make a return for decades now.
I think the teaser was genius. It got many people talking about it and now it has way more eyes on this project than it would have were it just sandwiched in between a Nintendo Direct headline.
At first I was disappointed that it’s not a new IP. But this got my attention more than a regular FDC announcement would have, so now I’m actually interested in Famicom Detective Club and may pick up the remake.
The question is: Do you have to play the other games before this one, or can you just go right into Emio without playing the other ones? I refuse to play the first two until an English physical copy releases, so I hope it's not necessary to play them before this one!
@@BigAlvideos101 We probably won’t know until the game comes out. We do know that Emio will feature returning characters from the original games, but how important the previous games will be to the actual plot of Emio is yet to be seen. And if they are important, are you still wholly opposed to buying digitally?
@@EMLtheViewer Yes, and here's why. The reason I refuse to buy any and all digital games is because when "buying" digitally, you don't own the game- you only own the license to play it. At any time, that license can be removed, and you no longer can play the game you paid for- thus wasting the money you spent. With a physical game, you own it even if the game itself is removed from digital stores, and you can play it forever. So called "digital" gaming is dead, and will NEVER be as popular as physical gaming!
The public interest for the teaser trailer should at least raise some eyebrows over at Nintendo. Might make them consider leaning into the evident interest in a bona fide horror game with Nintendo's name on it.
I hope so. Man they went TOO hard for this teaser, because it’s just so meh for the outcome. Like it’s cool that Nintendo is bringing back old stuff, but it definitely was not pointing towards it.
I mean considering the attention Nintendo publishing Bayonetta 2 got did not lead to it becoming a more popular franchise (though it didn't tank it like you'd expect from a game series going from Xbox 360 AND Ps3 to a Wii U exclusive), I don't think it would matter unless it was an Eternal Darkness level masterpiece (or really strong streamer bait horror)
Eh, I don’t think many people are really begging for a Nintendo horror game. They were just intrigued by the novelty of the idea. It could still happen though, who knows?
I think it would've been a really good move for them to save Tango, or at least scoop up their employees. Not necessarily just to try and get Hi-Fi Rush, which frequently was likened to a Nintendo-esque project, under their belts if they snagged that IP. Or to realize brand new projects akin to how Shinji Mikami wanted the studio to do a variety of interesting things and raise up young talent. But because if there's any developer who could've satisfied that horror niche for Nintendo now - any team that could take a stab at something new, or finally revive Eternal Darkness - it was probably them. Still curious to see if any Tango staff will find their way to Nintendo, though.
Yoshio Sakamoto's work on Famicom Detective Club 1 & 2's story is the reason why the Metroid series has been story-driven since Super Metroid, which he also wrote. Without these games, the Metroid series would have taken a completely different direction.
The thing about this announcement that is exciting for me is Nintendo knew coming out of the gate they don't publish M Rated titles in house EVER. They've published third party M rated titles and such, but this is the first in house published M rated story, and even comparing this to the first to titles that were remade--those were each rated T, so they're making some very big statements with this announcement. 1. Adventure Games are just as much a video game as anything else we (Nintendo) make, and we want to establish a "Nintendo" Adventure Game series. 2. We are working with the original creator of this series who is a big name you should be familiar with if you like Nintendo games, as Yoshio Sakamoto is the original creator of Metroid, a series notably dripping with horror elements. 3. We are giving this game more marketing than any of our previous attempts in this genre, willing to go wild with horror and cryptics, and to even allow it to be an M rated title so the devs are able to tell whatever story they want, limitations be damned. I know Visual Novels / Adventure games aren't for everyone, but this is going to be a very important release moving forward. Something on the level of the original Ace Attorney releases for the culture surrounding Adventure games, I'd say.
Personally, I feel like that's why it wasn't in the last Direct... Probably don't want an M rated first party game in the main Direct. But that's just my 2 cents
@@CalebSpronk I think it was more so it didn't get lost between the ace attorney announcement, since the direct did have M rated announcements in it already. Announcing it this way definitely got more eyes on it
As a FDC fan and fan of Nintendo's history, it's pretty disheartening to see the _overwhelming_ negative responses to this reveal. I never thought we'd get a brand new game in this historic series, and to see that it's Nintendo's first M-rated first-party game in ages is really exciting to me. It reminds me of how the internet collectively shat on the reveal of the Dragon Quest Hero joining Smash Ultimate, while the microscopic western fanbase was completely drowned out. Ah well, here's hoping the initial teaser piqued enough interest to get enough people to at least check this out come August. I'd love to see FDC evolve even further beyond visual novel, and that can only happen if these very Nintendo-esque experiments succeed on some level.
I couldn't be disappointed by this. The Famicom Detective remakes were super fun and seeing that the series is gonna keep going is such a pleasant surprise. I can't wait to try this out.
With Mario and Luigi Dream Team being the last original M&L game made being 11 years ago, it’s crazy how Brothership is the new revival of the series. Especially with Alpha Dream gone. Literally anything is possible.
@@ericp631To be fair, Capcom just had a large series of polls for their 60th anniversary, and a lot of people really wanted games like Dino Crisis and Breath of Fire to get new games in the series.
When talking about the price, ~$50 is pretty normal for a Japanese developed visual novel. Like yeah, it’s kinda a lot but that seems to be the standard for the genre.
With the teaser gaining so much attention so quickly in such a small amount of time, and the response to a potential new original Nintendo horror game being overwhelmingly positive, maybe someone over there will take notice and try their hand at it some day. I'm very happy for the fans who had to wait 30 years for this game.
You can tell who hasn’t played Famicom Detective based on those who say the Emio can’t be scary cuz its a visual novel. Play The Girl Who Stands Behind and tell me that a visual novel can’t be scary. Also, people saying the mystery is ruined cuz we know what Emio is… dude it’s a MYSTERY game. The point is that we DON’T know who is Emio, you have to play it to find out.
I find it funny people talk about the price but that is the literal standard of adventure/visual novel games. Outside of older titles, any new game in the genre is 50$. Its something that is easily searchable.
Tbf the Ace Attorney series which might be the biggest ongoing legacy VN series is constantly dropping collections at that price point that feature two or three full games in them. Definitely makes everything else in the genre look a bit overpriced, but also I don't doubt if Capcom ever actually makes Ace Attorney 7 that they wouldn't retail it for $50
@@chuckbatmangaming But they are older games, but like you said AA7, whenever it comes out, at the very least will be a 50$ game. Raincode, from the danganronpa team was 60$ and the latest game from the Sci/Adv series (steins gate) was 60$. IP always matter but in this genre its still the wild west.
@@katt-the-pig The indie space for adventure/visual novels is not as present given its a niche genre. But you have publisher like Spike Chunsoft, Aksys, Idea Factory that do publishing a number of them and if its an older title like Ace Attorney, its either cheaper or comes in a collection. But newer ones like Raincode or Anonymous;Code are 60. So its all over the place.
Completely agree, some bad endings in VNs like from 999 give you chills and stick with you along with being a fantastic story and oppressive unique atmosphere in its own right
You don't even have to look too far to find some good examples. The climax of the 2nd Famicom Detective Club game still creeps me out with how tense it was.
@@chrism6994No one counts the two Satellaview exclusive Zelda games (a Zelda 1 remake and a Link to the Past sequel) on those lists. Why count this series?
I still can’t believe they’re making another Famicom Detective game! I really enjoyed the Switch remakes, and just assumed they wouldn’t sell well enough in the west to warrant a new game.
Sales are a thing that actually only matter ro reach break even when it comes to Sakamoto Sakamoto is Upper Management and no matter how many times a projects of his gets canned due to tech limitations. It will come out if he wishes for it. That was the case for Metroid Dread and its 16 year long history. Sakamoto really wanted to make it
It's a Nintendo property and on a weeb focused handheld. Of course it was going to sell like hot cakes. The emio game will probably outsell Danganronpa and AA.
@@tiredhippo82Wait the FDC remakes sold better than Steins;Gate? Wow… Actually that doesn’t surprise me considering most people probably watched the anime not knowing there was a VN. 😂 I’m hoping it’ll lead to more visual novels releasing in the west (especially at the same time as Japan).
@@tiredhippo82Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity ended up being the best selling Warriors game in just 4 days. And I believe the OG was the first Warriors game to sell more in the West than in Japan, which was something that surprised KoeiTecmo.
I can respect that some people find this disappointing, but at the same time- just like with any Direct, any game announcement, any announcement PERIOD- you don’t take a teaser and assume it’ll be something crazy huge. Because then the reality won’t wind up nearly as disappointing. Temper expectations always, because things will never live up to the hype if you shoot for the moon with a little water pistol. At the same time, the fact this is a new entry in a 30 years dormant franchise is really cool in and of itself. Like, as someone who is a newer Ace Attorney fan- it was very exciting for me when Great Ace Attorney and Ace Attorney Investigations got Western translations after years of being Japan exclusive. So while this isn’t the same thing exactly, having a game franchise come back after so long is REALLY cool. And *groans* Nintendo game pricing discussion. Yes, the criticisms are usually valid. Yes, Arlo is absolutely right that a cheaper game will get more people buying. But that horse has been beaten to death so thoroughly it became glue, reincarnated, and became glue again. Not that it shouldn’t ever be talked about. But it’s so mentally exhausting talking about pricing with every game.
Arlo: "baiting a huge audience for something so niche is a letdown" Also Arlo: "nothing is more important than reaching a larger audience for these smaller games"
@@lapsiluco Two contradictory things though? Like he wanted this game to reach a wider audience via a lower price but a viral teaser was too much? Doesn't make sense
@@georgepersaud3483 yes they can absolutely both be true at once The teaser was good for opening up a small game to a larger audience, AND bad because for sure there are disappointed people who now hate this series
I was suspecting Famicom Detective Club, and for a lot of people it was the safe bet if it wasn’t a new IP. But we were hesitant about it because of how old the series was. I’m actually super hyped for this game. FDC is pretty awesome detective games and was a revolutionary series for the Japanese game industry. I see this as an absolute win!
The fact that it reached a larger number of people than the target audience is a huge marketing success story! The game was always going to be niche, especially with an M rating, but now awareness is increased a ton! I am not interested or a fan really, but I wasn't disappointed by the reveal... Not sure why so many people were. Plus, I think they timed the hype cycle just right... More teases and hype would have created an impossible to satisfy expectation. By quickly revealing the mystery just a couple days later was appropriate for expectations management. The latest Kit and Krysta video talked about how Nintendo is very aware of fan expectations and hype... And I also took that to mean they care about shielding their developers from too much fan influence/hype... I really think this was a fantasticly executed marketing campaign.
@@luigi16852 Correct. He explains why he thinks people were disappointed/why he was disappointed. I don't understand those feelings, personally. I suppose a better word is empathize - "understand and share the feelings of another." I do not share those feelings, I don't empathize with them. Explaining those feelings to me does not help me feel them and my understanding conceptually about what was explained doesn't change that, in this case, so I don't empathize.
@@luigi16852I just tried to explain my statement more clearly. I apologize if it came across as pretentious. I felt your initial response was a bit antagonistic as well, but I wanted to genuinely explain how I felt. Have a good day.
I don't think it *is* a marketing success if most of the commentary now is so overpoweringly negative. Nintendo didn't screw any pooch, I'm excited for the game and we aren't gonna get another Detective Famicom for the next 30 or so years after this because the fact the title is a VN is already a terrible selling point for some. I'm a 07th Expansion boyo, a Nitroplus lass, but the *significant* VNs like Clannad and White Album aren't gonna make a dent because of folks' misconceptions of VNs thanks to great (but importantly not informative) titles like Ace Attorney and Doki Doki. There was no better way to kill hype faster than making something gamers don't see as games in the first place. They don't need to shield their devs now, I suppose is the benefit of all of this?
If Nintendo wants to do stuff with their dormant IPs, whether it’s F-Zero or Famicom Detective Club, I’m down. If Nintendo wants to make new IPs and take risks, I’m down.
This was genuinely a really clever marketing stunt. If they just announced it as a new FDC, then there wouldn't be nearly as much hype around it. The way they did it made people way more hyped for who Emio is, and it'll definitely get more people into the game.
Here’s why it was the right choice to do a teaser instead of revealing it during the direct: It gave us a chance to be detectives. Very much in the spirit of a detective game to let us ponder the mystery together.
I just wish there were more teases and clues that would’ve led us to the announcement though. 😅 Last year and this year there were clues being dropped about the new Nancy Drew game and we did ALL kinds of theory-crafting and solved SO many puzzles. Lol
"I'm never gonna buy the first two Famicom Detective Club games because they're too much money for smaller games." THEY'RE 30 BUCKS EACH FOR 12 HOUR PLAYTHROUGHS. FUCKING GIVE THEM A CHANCE.
No disrespect but I can still definitely see where Arlo's coming from. The Ace Attorney Trilogy is $30, so $10 per game, and each one has like 15-20 hours of content. How can you expect someone who's never played a visual novel to pay $60 for two games instead of HALF of that for three games in a much more well-known franchise? It's that whole concept of pricing competitively, especially when you're competing with games that are literally on the same system.
I understand why Nintendo marketed it this way, visual novels aren't super huge outside of Japan and if they just released a trailer, the people who don't know about it would have just passed it by, but a weird cryptic teaser with no info are going to get eyes that wouldn't normally be on it
Honestly I wasn’t planning on getting it when I saw the teaser cuz I’m bad with realistic real-time horror stuff, but visual novels, RPGs, and visual novels are right up my alley!
The thing about prices is not so obvious this time, actually. The game is probably developed by Mages, just as the remakes. Mages are one of the top visual novel studios and their games tend to be full-price releases. For example, their latest game, Anonymous;Code was priced $59,99 AND had digital deluxe edition for whopping $79,99 (published by Spike Chunsoft)
The main problem with this announcement for me is a drastic change of tone and graphical style between the teaser and the actual game. Yes, the teaser was probably live-action, but it might as well have been a pre-rendered in-game cinematic, like the cutscences in super mario rpg remake. This is what felt off-putting to me
I will admit that's somewhat fair to be worried for but if it from one of the top visual novel studios then the work they put in is probably worth it for the fans who love this genre. But it does mean people of a causal perspective might not get into it.
I honestly couldn't imagine being disappointed by this reveal, I always get excited when older/niche franchises get new installments ! it doesn't matter if it's for Me or not, I know it's a big deal to someone else :>
I'm now even more interested in the famicom detective club games now because of this being what it is and how that teaser got me invested. So, I'm going to get the remakes sooner rather than later, along with this. I've barely played visual novels & I'm hyped for this. So, I personally think the teaser did its job very well. Also, maybe some hotel dusk remakes down the road, hopefully. Complete the trifecta of adventure / visual novel series Nintendo has. That would be neat if they did that. But I agree that Nintendo needs an actual horror franchise. Diversify their portfolio & all that. They are sitting on that "insanity meter mechanic" trademark they made around the release of eternal darkness, iirc. They could use that for something.
@DeBean970 it's been on my radar, I just haven't gotten to getting them yet, same with danganranpa, ace attorney, tsukihime, & paranormasight. I also have the xblaze games, I just haven't gotten to them yet. My backlog is ridiculous, lol.
Honestly, it really upsets me that people are calling this a letdown. This is the first new game in the series in 30 years and people are saying that's not good enough. I, for one, WANT Nintendo to do things with their dormant IPs. So what if it's not a brand new survival horror game? This is absolutely incredible.
Eh, kinda lessens the impact when said franchise was already active within the Switch's lifespan with the remakes for it to really be "back after 30 years", like.. I was super happy SMRPG got remade last year but if a sequel happened I wouldn't be acting like it was gone for 30 years To me it's a letdown because the teaser's artstyle had a much different look than the revealed game, that enigma of this Emio character is now gone that he's in a game genre that won't allow him to look as creepy as he should have been, I was really on-board with a silent hill type game made by Nintendo and I feel cheated that the teaser was so vague about what it really was selling
@@kirbyofthestarsfan You feel cheated because of false expectations. Everyone overhyped themselves on this. Everyone expected this to be a super dark horror game when all the teaser was, was a guy with a bag over his head... Not that scary if you've played actual horror games. You let your brain run wild for something that will never happen.
@@Miriam_J_ Did you watch the video? That's the point of teasers and this one was a wildly different tone than the product it was for. Don't blame the audience for judging marketing materials Nintendo made and chose to release to be judged. God forbid.
@@Gafafsg They knew it wasn't going to appeal to a large base so the idea was to get people talking about it which worked, would you have looked at it if was just a normal adventure game trailer? probably not if it's not your type of game
I think it's less that it's not good enough, it's more likely just that most people (moreso in the West) do not care at all about visual novels. Plenty of those people were interested in the teaser and then just realized the game wasn't for them. That seems a natural consequence of this marketing strategy.
I'm kind of confused by the notion visual novel horror is "lesser" than other forms of horror. Like, novel novels can inarguably be horror, like Stephen King. I don't see what makes this any different, especially with what we know the contents of the game entails from ratings boards
People just have certain biases because they are uninformed. If a visual novel ever resonated with him in the past, he would be singing a very different tune. Most people who dismiss visual novels as an entire medium have probably never even finished one.
Can you explain where the blooper team rumor came from? Because this is the first time I've even heard of them and I just learned that they're the team behind Silent Hill 2 Remake.
@@LightspeedsBloober is working on a Switch exclusive yet to be named codenamed Project M and people online just went "Project M...io???" And assumed it was that. Presumably that means we'll have the ACTUAL Project M revealed soon so people who want their Switch exclusive Bloober game will get that too.
Clarification for people: these are *not* visual novel games. They're adventure games very similar to something like Ace Attorney. I haven't dove into these games before, but that teaser definitely got me interested. I actually think the reveal of what this was is actually pretty great news in the long run, because it's yet another example of Nintendo being willing to get back into a series they haven't touched in a significant period of time. We got the remakes of the first two games earlier, sure, but having a brand new game is something else entirely. Hoping it does well!
Yeah it's mind blowing how even the biggest creators can't even check Wikipedia for a second and see Famicom Detective Club is described as an adventure game.
@@Bro3256 To be fair, "VN vs Adventure" is a pretty old debate at this point. For someone like me who's an Ace Attorney fan, it's super common to see people get confused over it because a lot of adventure games use VN tropes and elements in their presentation, so to someone who isn't familiar with both it can seem like they're one and the same
Ehhh, Ace Attorney fits pretty firmly in the “visual novel” genre, imo. Or perhaps “interactive novel” is a better. Same goes for Daganrompa. I don’t know FDC well enough to judge, but if you are suggesting that it belongs in the same category as the aforementioned two series, then yeah, it’s a visual novel, as far as I am concerned.
@@TheGeladoo I mean the main reason I make the distinction in the first place is that visual novels the majority of the time tend to have little to no interaction at all aside from advancing text, and maybe making a dialogue decision here and there. There's just a good bit more going on with something like Ace Attorney in terms of interactivity. You could probably make the argument that something like that and Famicom Detective Club are like hybrids between a visual novel and a point-and-click adventure game. It's tough, because a lot of genres and sub-genres within those genres aren't always the most well-defined. Maybe modern adventure games have been influenced a bit by the visual novel genre?
In all honesty, it's great to see a new Famicom Detective Club game (as well as a proper series antagonist) since that may as well open more proper Smash potential (for more characters besides Ayumi). I'd however wish that the Satellaview game was remade before a new game.
I'm honestly mystified by people's reaction it... IS a horror game? I mean, I think the I'd say it worked perfectly: "Here is this spooky horror game you might be interested in if you like spooky horror stuff" reaching past people's pretty evident biases against VN-ish games.
Thank you! Somebody said it! People need to realize that horror is more than just survival horror or Silent Hill clones. I can't stand a lot of recent horror stuff (where everything is a bloober team game), and horror VNs are pretty much my favorite medium for horror. People discount the cool things you can do with a VN and say, "I could just read a book," as if to discount their existence. So annoying...
Idk man, I've played and enjoyed plenty of VNs but the tonal shift is a huge turn off. That and the style. There were better ways to market this that would've been more honest. Maybe they would've gotten less attention, but they certainly would've gotten less ire.
I think the point was to tell people what the game is before telling them that it is a visual novel, because most people have a misconception about what visual novels are. Visual novels would be a lucrative market if more people knew that they arent all dating sims or built around romance routes
@@TheGeladoo And that's unfortunately one of his major flaws. The way I see it is that Arlo tends to let his theories run wild and if those expectations/theories aren't met, he gets all negative about it, which is something that a lot of people tend to feel. But in Arlo's case, he comes off as being exceptionally yet unintentionally pessimistic as a result. This is why I don't have any crazy expectations when it comes to teasers for games while also still being excited if that makes sense.
@@TheGeladoo Kinda similar when a JRPG shows off a fantasy setting and peeps go "Uhhg, generic medieval fantasy, pass." when Romancing Saga 2, Dragon Quest 3, and Unicorn Overlord are so drastically different and all have interesting twists.
@@fenrirslip This is exactly why it's a good idea to have reasonable expectations with an open mind, you get burned and let down too many times when you're expecting everything to be top tier
This video unfortunately shows one of Arlo's major flaws that's been slowly showing its ugly head in recent years. He tends to come across as pessimistic (unintentionally I'd like to think) when a game turns out to be not what he and many others expected. It's important to set reasonable expectations instead of immediately jumping to the conclusion that a new game will be a new IP or genre that a company rarely delves into like the survival horror genre. I'd like to think that Nintendo would be very capable of making their own survival horror game in a similar vein to Silent Hill or Resident Evil. However, Nintendo would obviously want to put their own little twist on the traditional survival horror tropes. Nintendo has a history of incorporating dark themes into its games. Even if it's something as lighthearted as the Mario franchise. Lest we not forget that some of the deaths in Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2. Mario getting sucked into a black hole and essentially exploding, drowning in poison/quicksand, and having Mario/Luigi's hand reach out for one last attempt for air while also making drowning sounds, to getting electrocuted and having Mario/Luigi's skeletons visible. Majora's Mask is also another example of a game that's exceptionally dark for Nintendo. The most obvious asset that makes Majora's Mask dark is to ever-looming presence of the Moon slowly encroaching toward Termina to cause an apocalyptic event of epic proportions. So I don't think it's a matter of Nintendo being hesitant to create something like SH or RE, it's more so them wanting to come up with something that stands out from the crowd, something unorthodox. And we should all know by this point that Nintendo takes its time when it pertains to coming up with new features and incorporating them into older styles. Take TLOZ: Echoes of Wisdom for example. The older style is the top-down Zelda format that fans have been waiting for a decade now with the new features being the fact we play as Zelda, the echoes created by the Tri-Rod, along with any other quirks the game will throw at players. So again, I would like to reiterate that it's important to set reasonable expectations instead of looking toward what the majority of folks want. That way, when the reveal happens, you'll either be less disappointed or more excited depending on how you look at it.
I think the teaser worked exactly as it should, now eyes are on Famicom detective club where they weren’t before. Maybe people might play them, some people at least
Personally, i like that it’s a continuation of this series mainly cuz i’m not a fan of the horror genre so if this was like full on survival horror i prolly wouldn’t have played it. I can handle darker stories in visual novels cuz i do like Danganronpa but surviving in a horror setting where something could be lurking in the darkness or every small noise gives me a heart attack. I can’t handle that.
@useraccount333 I'd say it covers the horror genre. (The Plus version even calls it a Psychological Horror game. They weren't hiding it this time because why bother? It was already covered all over the internet.)
@@TheGeladooDDLC SPOILERS AHEAD: That’s interesting! I thought it was because beating the game requires you to delete it, but that makes sense as well!
The idea that the reaction for people not already into Famicom Detective Club is to just to throw your arms up in disappointment is real dumb. If you were intrigued by the idea of an M-rated Nintendo Horror game, why are you not interested in the M-rated Nintendo Horror game? It hasn't changed fundamentally in any way, your interest should be inspiration to maybe see what the series is about.
@@NyanSpeakYes but it's only because the N and M are close to each other (and there's no standalone M letter in Japanese so then use N) but in English has always written it as "Famicom"
I didn't even know Famicom Detective Club existed before this announcement. Seriously, Im a huge Nintendo nerd and somehow I just never knew? AND NOW MY BROKE SELF IS LOOKING TO BUY ALL THREE GAMES?! That teaser did its job darn well. Besides, Id rather see Yoshio Sakamoto's passion project as apposed to another Amnesia like game.
They made this just for me, and I'm happy. I just hope that the people who are disappointed that this isn't a new IP to rival Eternal Darkness, Silent Hill or Heavy Rain or whatever will give this game a try and learn to love it as well.
I already thought it was pretty cool of them to bring back a vintage series for a modern audience - I felt that way about Live A Live. But to make a sequel for it? That's just wonderful. I'm confident that the quality of the game will be excellent.
The complaints are expected, but I reckon the teaser image’s gritty and mature look will win a lot of horror fans over to a mystery IP revival. There’s a lot of cross-genre appeal here, and the performance of this game will no doubt be a major factor in a potential dedicated horror IP in the future
congratulations to the famicom detective club fanbase! it’s great to see a new game for a small ip, even if it’s a small number of people who are actually super fans. even if i’m not one of them, i may still pick it up and see how it is- if this was sandwiched in a direct, i think even fewer people would care. plus, it was fun to see theories! the teaser worked for what it was supposed to do, and I respect the hell out of Nintendo for letting Yoshio Sakamoto do all this. congrats, fdc fans!! 🥳🎉🎊
I like how you put it: "The teaser worked too well". Maybe that is the reason why they didn't go any further with the teasing as it might have increased curiosity even further, while they were knowing they tease a more nieche product. Overall I am still happy and I will definitely check it out. Have a great weekend.
They were probably planning to tease it for longer then saw how much it blew up and decided to reveal it to stop the speculation and to not get people's expectations even higher
Those old games were short because they were remakes based on old games..? This is a new game, you know. Please don't put down FDC just because you don't like adventure games, it's perfectly fine not to be all about a genre without suggesting that they should be valued less.
There are only two games and they’re 30 years old. They’re not even very long. This is practically a new series, in practically a new genre for Nintendo. And it’s rated m. This is extremely cool.
One thing you absolutely have to give kudos to Nintendo for, is their willingness to both come up with new crazy little ideas and revive niche IP's and then give them some proper attention. They'll give little niche products their own window of marketing and show how passionate they are about it.
"small group of people". I mean, it's the same group of people who played popular games like Ace Attorney and Danganronpa. I think you misunderstand how this group of peope is not that small.
I am SSOOOOOO happy. I had a bunch of friends tagging me about it. I am also one of those that kinda hoped it would be a FDC game, but didn’t dare to believe it could be. XD
Difference is that they've found a specialized developer that can take on Famicom Detective Club in the form of Mages. DK and Star Fox have both lacked consistent developers for a very long time. Retro seemed like it could be the new DK team, but they fell off the map and then returned to Metroid Prime. (I do still believe EPD Tokyo has a DK game on the way as was rumored; they were hiring for a 2D action game a few years ago, and the last time they did something of the sort was Donkey Kong Jungle Beat.) And then for Star Fox, it's bounced between developers ever since 64 even though Nintendo's still contributed resources themselves. Rare, Namco, Q-Games, and PlatinumGames all worked on the IP at some point, and none of them seem to have stuck. (Star Fox also seems to be set for a return soon, though, as leftovers referring to Star Fox elements like the Wolfen were found in Switch Sports of all games, and Nintendo was applying for new trademarks for the series around the same time that they were doing so for Princess Peach, likely for Showtime.)
Sakamoto on an M rated game, especially with how kinda dark the first two games went back on the Famicom, should have people excited enough. But I think it's also worth pointing out, as Sakamoto himself does in the video introducing them, that these are ADVENTURE games. Just like Ace Attorney and Danganronpa, both game franchises inspired by this one in some way, these are not strictly visual novels; nor do I really believe 'visual novels' should be stigmatic term or unworthy of a 50$ price tag for multiple reasons, but I digress. These games are adventure games where you find clues, communicate with people, solve logic puzzles, and figure out a mystery. Full artwork, full voice acting, fully composed soundtrack, and quite likely a longer length considering this is a game developed on the Switch and not the Famicom. You don't sit and just read.
I personally had no interest in the Detective Famicom Club games but the teaser was very interesting to me and this announcement has made me interested in checking out the series. So I think I'm the mark here.
So you talk at the end about thinking the price for the game is too high because of how short the game is. I'm curious as to what you think about Metroid Dreads price, because it too is a short game that takes around 10 hours to finish. Obviously you're a big Metroid fan and not a FDC fan, but do you think Metroid should've been priced lower since its a shorter game? If not, what is it about these 2 games that makes you think one game deserves to be full price while the other doesn't?
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While a bit sad it's not a new IP, the fact it went this hard to tease a new Famicom Detective Club game is pretty impressive.
Considering Nintendo has a pile of abandoned IPs, I don't really mind.
@@Dairunt1at least they do something with them every now and then unlike Sony. So many game droughts that could’ve been avoided if they had made a new Sly Cooper, new Parappa, or any other of their back catalogue.
Perhaps it is more popular in Japan.
@@paperluigi6132 LITERALLY THIS!!!!
@@paperluigi6132 lol right? What made Sony think they'd get by when they only release a new game every millenia? And only a handful look different from the other or are from their legacy IPs. It's hilariously baffling how short-sighted Sony and Microsoft both were this generation. What happened?
The fact the teaser worked so well means it was an incredibly smart choice. If they just announced Famicom detective club by itself in a direct? It wouldn't have done as well. I think this tease will make more people by the game than otherwise.
And your right as it worked on me
Same here tempted on buying the remakes beforehand
@@rayking5399 same, but only on sale
@@rayking5399 hear?
@@BROJANGSTER wrong word
It's crazy that Sakamoto is still so Hands-On (directing, writing) in development. All of the other older Nintendo employees from the 8-bit era seem to have moved on to management or more hands off positions or even retired. Tezuka didn't even direct Super Mario Bros Wonder by himself and he's the only other really old timer that I can think of that's done something recently.
It's good for the newer employees (and the company overall), too. Working alongside someone is one of the best ways to learn from them.
Uh no? Tezuka, Aonuma and everyone else who is a producer are literally hands on for those games. They arent directors but they are involved creatively, just like Sakamoto here who is a producer as well and might also be credited as writer, considering how he was credited as such on the remake
@@ausgod538to be fair iirc Aonuma started (at least directing) in the 16bit era, not 8bit
Whilst I get why a lot of people jumped on the idea it was for a horror game, the tone of that teaser does work for a dark murder-mystery/thriller.
I mean it is the first Mature internally developed Nintendo game
The Girl Tht Stands Behind absolutely dips into horror at the end. Or am I misreading this and people wanted supernatrual stuff?
@@brentbechtold7352I think when most people think “Nintendo Horror Game” stuff like Eternal Darkness comes to mind. That’s an entire game that pioneered so many crazy new ideas for how horror games should scare the player, and had such a unique style with Eldritch horror rather than the typical video game horror style. Famicom Detective Club is horror-like at times, but it’s more like a crime thriller you can play due to being visual novels, rather than a full-on horror game that pushes the player to be scared through interactivity and game design. People were interested in the prospect of Nintendo doing something as weird and scary as Eternal Darkness again, so it’s just a touch disappointing knowing that it’s not that.
Still cool that it’s a new Famicom Detective Club game because that series deserves more love.
Famicom Detective Club was relatively big in Japan. It arguably revolutionized the genre in ways other games didn't, and it honestly feels kind of disrespectful to hear from all the "why doesn't Nintendo do anything with their old IPs?" people go "no, not like that!". This is also the first internally-developed M rated game from Nintendo in history, so that's something to keep in mind too.
The remakes were developed by MAGES and this new entry will also probably be developed by them. They did say they wanted to remake the Satellaview game and/or make a new one.
Visual Novels are way bigger in Japan than North America (not saying there isnt a large fanbase for that gameplay style) and the NA gaming audience is typically more action and input focused as opposed to narrative. I'm thoroughly dissapointed in this announcement, but I'm super happy for the fans that this is for, it's a big moment for many people, just not something I see myself spending any money on.
Rewind to before the initial FDC announcement and I bet absolutely nobody would have seen either ports or a new game coming.
It's not disrespectful to be disappointed, this wasnt aimed at pleasing everyone, so when a vague teaser drops, people are justified in feeling disappointed. People can't be 100% positive all of the time, sometimes things go a different route than we'd want
@@Incompetent_Hero Some of the biggest visual novels (Ace Attorney, Danganronpa) do better outside Japan than in it. FDC could very well end up the same way if it actually gets a presence here.
And no, it's not disrespectful to be disappointed. It is to go "no one asked for this, why isn't *insert other IP I care about" when people in Japan have been BEGGING for this franchise to make a return for decades now.
it looks fun, i may check it out!
@@GamerNonGamerpeople tend to forget that the world is more than just their country.
I think the teaser was genius. It got many people talking about it and now it has way more eyes on this project than it would have were it just sandwiched in between a Nintendo Direct headline.
At first I was disappointed that it’s not a new IP. But this got my attention more than a regular FDC announcement would have, so now I’m actually interested in Famicom Detective Club and may pick up the remake.
The question is: Do you have to play the other games before this one, or can you just go right into Emio without playing the other ones? I refuse to play the first two until an English physical copy releases, so I hope it's not necessary to play them before this one!
@@BigAlvideos101 We probably won’t know until the game comes out. We do know that Emio will feature returning characters from the original games, but how important the previous games will be to the actual plot of Emio is yet to be seen. And if they are important, are you still wholly opposed to buying digitally?
@@EMLtheViewer Yes, and here's why. The reason I refuse to buy any and all digital games is because when "buying" digitally, you don't own the game- you only own the license to play it. At any time, that license can be removed, and you no longer can play the game you paid for- thus wasting the money you spent. With a physical game, you own it even if the game itself is removed from digital stores, and you can play it forever. So called "digital" gaming is dead, and will NEVER be as popular as physical gaming!
@@BigAlvideos101 I would be content if they patch in English support for the JP release. I was so disappointed when I found out it didn't have it.
The public interest for the teaser trailer should at least raise some eyebrows over at Nintendo. Might make them consider leaning into the evident interest in a bona fide horror game with Nintendo's name on it.
I hope so. Man they went TOO hard for this teaser, because it’s just so meh for the outcome.
Like it’s cool that Nintendo is bringing back old stuff, but it definitely was not pointing towards it.
I mean considering the attention Nintendo publishing Bayonetta 2 got did not lead to it becoming a more popular franchise (though it didn't tank it like you'd expect from a game series going from Xbox 360 AND Ps3 to a Wii U exclusive), I don't think it would matter unless it was an Eternal Darkness level masterpiece (or really strong streamer bait horror)
Eh, I don’t think many people are really begging for a Nintendo horror game. They were just intrigued by the novelty of the idea. It could still happen though, who knows?
Pareidolia is a helluva drug...
I think it would've been a really good move for them to save Tango, or at least scoop up their employees. Not necessarily just to try and get Hi-Fi Rush, which frequently was likened to a Nintendo-esque project, under their belts if they snagged that IP. Or to realize brand new projects akin to how Shinji Mikami wanted the studio to do a variety of interesting things and raise up young talent. But because if there's any developer who could've satisfied that horror niche for Nintendo now - any team that could take a stab at something new, or finally revive Eternal Darkness - it was probably them.
Still curious to see if any Tango staff will find their way to Nintendo, though.
Arlo: I dont want the video end on a negative note
30 seconds later: video ends on a negative note
Arlo doom posting
@@oreotaku4017 Doomer Arlo always so blue...
Yoshio Sakamoto's work on Famicom Detective Club 1 & 2's story is the reason why the Metroid series has been story-driven since Super Metroid, which he also wrote. Without these games, the Metroid series would have taken a completely different direction.
The thing about this announcement that is exciting for me is Nintendo knew coming out of the gate they don't publish M Rated titles in house EVER. They've published third party M rated titles and such, but this is the first in house published M rated story, and even comparing this to the first to titles that were remade--those were each rated T, so they're making some very big statements with this announcement.
1. Adventure Games are just as much a video game as anything else we (Nintendo) make, and we want to establish a "Nintendo" Adventure Game series.
2. We are working with the original creator of this series who is a big name you should be familiar with if you like Nintendo games, as Yoshio Sakamoto is the original creator of Metroid, a series notably dripping with horror elements.
3. We are giving this game more marketing than any of our previous attempts in this genre, willing to go wild with horror and cryptics, and to even allow it to be an M rated title so the devs are able to tell whatever story they want, limitations be damned.
I know Visual Novels / Adventure games aren't for everyone, but this is going to be a very important release moving forward. Something on the level of the original Ace Attorney releases for the culture surrounding Adventure games, I'd say.
Especially since Dual Destinies was rated M. (Obviously not in the Apollo Justice trilogy, but on the 3DS.)
@@bluejay21. Right, there are a number of 3rd party games published as M, but this is the first In House M rated title
Personally, I feel like that's why it wasn't in the last Direct... Probably don't want an M rated first party game in the main Direct. But that's just my 2 cents
@@CalebSpronk I think it was more so it didn't get lost between the ace attorney announcement, since the direct did have M rated announcements in it already. Announcing it this way definitely got more eyes on it
Visual novels have some of the best games in the industry so I could see myself checking this out
As a FDC fan and fan of Nintendo's history, it's pretty disheartening to see the _overwhelming_ negative responses to this reveal. I never thought we'd get a brand new game in this historic series, and to see that it's Nintendo's first M-rated first-party game in ages is really exciting to me.
It reminds me of how the internet collectively shat on the reveal of the Dragon Quest Hero joining Smash Ultimate, while the microscopic western fanbase was completely drowned out.
Ah well, here's hoping the initial teaser piqued enough interest to get enough people to at least check this out come August. I'd love to see FDC evolve even further beyond visual novel, and that can only happen if these very Nintendo-esque experiments succeed on some level.
Anime games and visual novels havesuch good story telling, let the tourists be filtered more fore me
The difference here is that while FDC is good it isn't quite on the same level as the _3rd best-selling RPG series in the world._
I couldn't be disappointed by this. The Famicom Detective remakes were super fun and seeing that the series is gonna keep going is such a pleasant surprise. I can't wait to try this out.
Hope they keep it in the time of the originals.
Nintendo reviving Famicom Detective Club with remakes was already surprising, but I don't think anyone expected a new one.
With Mario and Luigi Dream Team being the last original M&L game made being 11 years ago, it’s crazy how Brothership is the new revival of the series. Especially with Alpha Dream gone.
Literally anything is possible.
I wish Capcom would follow their lead
@@ericp631To be fair, Capcom just had a large series of polls for their 60th anniversary, and a lot of people really wanted games like Dino Crisis and Breath of Fire to get new games in the series.
@@TornaitSuperBird I was referring to there being a new AA game rather than the remasters. But yeah, those series aren't coming back either.
Squeenix is doing such a terrific job with the AA new entries too!!
One tangential point is that there is an interest for a Nintendo horror IP
When talking about the price, ~$50 is pretty normal for a Japanese developed visual novel. Like yeah, it’s kinda a lot but that seems to be the standard for the genre.
With the teaser gaining so much attention so quickly in such a small amount of time, and the response to a potential new original Nintendo horror game being overwhelmingly positive, maybe someone over there will take notice and try their hand at it some day. I'm very happy for the fans who had to wait 30 years for this game.
This is a healthy perspective
You can tell who hasn’t played Famicom Detective based on those who say the Emio can’t be scary cuz its a visual novel. Play The Girl Who Stands Behind and tell me that a visual novel can’t be scary.
Also, people saying the mystery is ruined cuz we know what Emio is… dude it’s a MYSTERY game. The point is that we DON’T know who is Emio, you have to play it to find out.
I find it funny people talk about the price but that is the literal standard of adventure/visual novel games. Outside of older titles, any new game in the genre is 50$. Its something that is easily searchable.
Honestly, I had assumed they were in the $20-30 range like a lot of indie games.
Tbf the Ace Attorney series which might be the biggest ongoing legacy VN series is constantly dropping collections at that price point that feature two or three full games in them. Definitely makes everything else in the genre look a bit overpriced, but also I don't doubt if Capcom ever actually makes Ace Attorney 7 that they wouldn't retail it for $50
@@chuckbatmangaming But they are older games, but like you said AA7, whenever it comes out, at the very least will be a 50$ game. Raincode, from the danganronpa team was 60$ and the latest game from the Sci/Adv series (steins gate) was 60$. IP always matter but in this genre its still the wild west.
@@katt-the-pig The indie space for adventure/visual novels is not as present given its a niche genre. But you have publisher like Spike Chunsoft, Aksys, Idea Factory that do publishing a number of them and if its an older title like Ace Attorney, its either cheaper or comes in a collection. But newer ones like Raincode or Anonymous;Code are 60. So its all over the place.
Erm VN’s can be fantastic at horror and arguably more unsettling than any survival horror games.
Like ddlc higurashi and umineko!
Completely agree, some bad endings in VNs like from 999 give you chills and stick with you along with being a fantastic story and oppressive unique atmosphere in its own right
You don't even have to look too far to find some good examples. The climax of the 2nd Famicom Detective Club game still creeps me out with how tense it was.
yeah its super annoying seeing people mad just because its a VN and not a silent hill clone
arlo didn't say they couldn't be, just that a horror vn and a horror game are different
35 years between new installments is surely a new record for Nintendo franchises.
27 years. The release of the last installment was 1997.
Sakamoto just love it. Remember when he took 19 years for Metroid 5
@@chrism6994 The last date for a new installment I see on Wikipedia is 1989. But if you have a better source, please provide it.
@@chrism6994 I see now you're referring to the Satellaview release. That's a weird one. Not sure I'd include that. But I see your point.
@@chrism6994No one counts the two Satellaview exclusive Zelda games (a Zelda 1 remake and a Link to the Past sequel) on those lists. Why count this series?
I still can’t believe they’re making another Famicom Detective game! I really enjoyed the Switch remakes, and just assumed they wouldn’t sell well enough in the west to warrant a new game.
Sales are a thing that actually only matter ro reach break even when it comes to Sakamoto
Sakamoto is Upper Management and no matter how many times a projects of his gets canned due to tech limitations. It will come out if he wishes for it.
That was the case for Metroid Dread and its 16 year long history. Sakamoto really wanted to make it
Apparently the remakes sold better than any other game that mages (the developers) have ever made….and they’ve made some very significant VNs
It's a Nintendo property and on a weeb focused handheld. Of course it was going to sell like hot cakes. The emio game will probably outsell Danganronpa and AA.
@@tiredhippo82Wait the FDC remakes sold better than Steins;Gate? Wow… Actually that doesn’t surprise me considering most people probably watched the anime not knowing there was a VN. 😂
I’m hoping it’ll lead to more visual novels releasing in the west (especially at the same time as Japan).
@@tiredhippo82Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity ended up being the best selling Warriors game in just 4 days. And I believe the OG was the first Warriors game to sell more in the West than in Japan, which was something that surprised KoeiTecmo.
I can respect that some people find this disappointing, but at the same time- just like with any Direct, any game announcement, any announcement PERIOD- you don’t take a teaser and assume it’ll be something crazy huge. Because then the reality won’t wind up nearly as disappointing. Temper expectations always, because things will never live up to the hype if you shoot for the moon with a little water pistol.
At the same time, the fact this is a new entry in a 30 years dormant franchise is really cool in and of itself. Like, as someone who is a newer Ace Attorney fan- it was very exciting for me when Great Ace Attorney and Ace Attorney Investigations got Western translations after years of being Japan exclusive. So while this isn’t the same thing exactly, having a game franchise come back after so long is REALLY cool.
And *groans* Nintendo game pricing discussion. Yes, the criticisms are usually valid. Yes, Arlo is absolutely right that a cheaper game will get more people buying. But that horse has been beaten to death so thoroughly it became glue, reincarnated, and became glue again. Not that it shouldn’t ever be talked about. But it’s so mentally exhausting talking about pricing with every game.
I won’t write off this game just yet. There’s really good horror visual novels like Paranormasight, so I would keep an eye on it.
Arlo: "baiting a huge audience for something so niche is a letdown"
Also Arlo: "nothing is more important than reaching a larger audience for these smaller games"
2 things can be true at once
@@lapsiluco Two contradictory things though? Like he wanted this game to reach a wider audience via a lower price but a viral teaser was too much? Doesn't make sense
@@georgepersaud3483 yes they can absolutely both be true at once
The teaser was good for opening up a small game to a larger audience, AND bad because for sure there are disappointed people who now hate this series
@@lapsilucoThose people weren’t gonna buy it anyway
@@simpsonsfanatic777 I'm probably gonna because of the teaser lol
Edit: I misread your comment, my bad
I was suspecting Famicom Detective Club, and for a lot of people it was the safe bet if it wasn’t a new IP. But we were hesitant about it because of how old the series was. I’m actually super hyped for this game. FDC is pretty awesome detective games and was a revolutionary series for the Japanese game industry.
I see this as an absolute win!
The fact that it reached a larger number of people than the target audience is a huge marketing success story! The game was always going to be niche, especially with an M rating, but now awareness is increased a ton! I am not interested or a fan really, but I wasn't disappointed by the reveal... Not sure why so many people were.
Plus, I think they timed the hype cycle just right... More teases and hype would have created an impossible to satisfy expectation. By quickly revealing the mystery just a couple days later was appropriate for expectations management.
The latest Kit and Krysta video talked about how Nintendo is very aware of fan expectations and hype... And I also took that to mean they care about shielding their developers from too much fan influence/hype...
I really think this was a fantasticly executed marketing campaign.
You don't understand why people were disappointed? He literally explains it in the video.
@@luigi16852 Correct. He explains why he thinks people were disappointed/why he was disappointed. I don't understand those feelings, personally. I suppose a better word is empathize - "understand and share the feelings of another." I do not share those feelings, I don't empathize with them. Explaining those feelings to me does not help me feel them and my understanding conceptually about what was explained doesn't change that, in this case, so I don't empathize.
@@ChristopherFergusonJesus you sound pretentious
@@luigi16852I just tried to explain my statement more clearly. I apologize if it came across as pretentious. I felt your initial response was a bit antagonistic as well, but I wanted to genuinely explain how I felt. Have a good day.
I don't think it *is* a marketing success if most of the commentary now is so overpoweringly negative. Nintendo didn't screw any pooch, I'm excited for the game and we aren't gonna get another Detective Famicom for the next 30 or so years after this because the fact the title is a VN is already a terrible selling point for some.
I'm a 07th Expansion boyo, a Nitroplus lass, but the *significant* VNs like Clannad and White Album aren't gonna make a dent because of folks' misconceptions of VNs thanks to great (but importantly not informative) titles like Ace Attorney and Doki Doki. There was no better way to kill hype faster than making something gamers don't see as games in the first place. They don't need to shield their devs now, I suppose is the benefit of all of this?
Famicom Detective Club was the first thing i thought of with the original tease, and i don't find it disappointing at all.
I like Visual Novels. Still haven't sprung for FDC 1+2 but it's on my list. Will probably need to get them to prepare for this because I am so in.
As one of the few standing fans of Phantom Brave that straight up exploded when they announced that sequel, I 100% get marketing for a niche fandom.
Me, too, I freaked out when the Ghost Trick remaster was announced.
I am another one of those few Phantom Brave fans. I couldn’t believe they were making a sequel!
I think this game has the potential to get really popular because of how the teaser made people interested in the game in the first place
I will admit if this was mother 4 or something that would be wild though
That's exactly what they're aiming for, what better to create interest in a product than to get people talking about it
@@Alorso_ yep I think it looks really cool and am super excited
If Nintendo wants to do stuff with their dormant IPs, whether it’s F-Zero or Famicom Detective Club, I’m down. If Nintendo wants to make new IPs and take risks, I’m down.
I actually had a new Famicom Detective Club on my bingo. It's crazy to see it come to fruition.
Hoped for it after the remakes.
I loved the remakes , i'll get this one on day one
This was genuinely a really clever marketing stunt. If they just announced it as a new FDC, then there wouldn't be nearly as much hype around it. The way they did it made people way more hyped for who Emio is, and it'll definitely get more people into the game.
Here’s why it was the right choice to do a teaser instead of revealing it during the direct: It gave us a chance to be detectives. Very much in the spirit of a detective game to let us ponder the mystery together.
I just wish there were more teases and clues that would’ve led us to the announcement though. 😅
Last year and this year there were clues being dropped about the new Nancy Drew game and we did ALL kinds of theory-crafting and solved SO many puzzles. Lol
"I'm never gonna buy the first two Famicom Detective Club games because they're too much money for smaller games."
THEY'RE 30 BUCKS EACH FOR 12 HOUR PLAYTHROUGHS. FUCKING GIVE THEM A CHANCE.
Wait they're only $30? The way he was talking I thought they were $50 each.
Emio is fifty but the remakes are 60 together
No disrespect but I can still definitely see where Arlo's coming from. The Ace Attorney Trilogy is $30, so $10 per game, and each one has like 15-20 hours of content. How can you expect someone who's never played a visual novel to pay $60 for two games instead of HALF of that for three games in a much more well-known franchise? It's that whole concept of pricing competitively, especially when you're competing with games that are literally on the same system.
I understand why Nintendo marketed it this way, visual novels aren't super huge outside of Japan and if they just released a trailer, the people who don't know about it would have just passed it by, but a weird cryptic teaser with no info are going to get eyes that wouldn't normally be on it
Honestly I wasn’t planning on getting it when I saw the teaser cuz I’m bad with realistic real-time horror stuff, but visual novels, RPGs, and visual novels are right up my alley!
The thing about prices is not so obvious this time, actually. The game is probably developed by Mages, just as the remakes. Mages are one of the top visual novel studios and their games tend to be full-price releases. For example, their latest game, Anonymous;Code was priced $59,99 AND had digital deluxe edition for whopping $79,99 (published by Spike Chunsoft)
The main problem with this announcement for me is a drastic change of tone and graphical style between the teaser and the actual game. Yes, the teaser was probably live-action, but it might as well have been a pre-rendered in-game cinematic, like the cutscences in super mario rpg remake. This is what felt off-putting to me
I will admit that's somewhat fair to be worried for but if it from one of the top visual novel studios then the work they put in is probably worth it for the fans who love this genre. But it does mean people of a causal perspective might not get into it.
This announcemnt was for me, and I am very, VERY, happy for it.
This is so much better than i thought it'd be, famicom detective club is pretty sweet
I honestly couldn't imagine being disappointed by this reveal, I always get excited when older/niche franchises get new installments ! it doesn't matter if it's for Me or not, I know it's a big deal to someone else :>
I don't know. I was definitely hooked from the teaser, and now I'm interested in trying out the series now.
I'm now even more interested in the famicom detective club games now because of this being what it is and how that teaser got me invested. So, I'm going to get the remakes sooner rather than later, along with this. I've barely played visual novels & I'm hyped for this.
So, I personally think the teaser did its job very well.
Also, maybe some hotel dusk remakes down the road, hopefully. Complete the trifecta of adventure / visual novel series Nintendo has. That would be neat if they did that.
But I agree that Nintendo needs an actual horror franchise. Diversify their portfolio & all that. They are sitting on that "insanity meter mechanic" trademark they made around the release of eternal darkness, iirc. They could use that for something.
Zero Escape is great if you want to play more disturbing VNs
@DeBean970 it's been on my radar, I just haven't gotten to getting them yet, same with danganranpa, ace attorney, tsukihime, & paranormasight. I also have the xblaze games, I just haven't gotten to them yet. My backlog is ridiculous, lol.
I'll be honest, this made me want to go take a crack at the first two games. So I'd say this seemed to have worked pretty well in my opinion.
Honestly, it really upsets me that people are calling this a letdown. This is the first new game in the series in 30 years and people are saying that's not good enough. I, for one, WANT Nintendo to do things with their dormant IPs. So what if it's not a brand new survival horror game? This is absolutely incredible.
Eh, kinda lessens the impact when said franchise was already active within the Switch's lifespan with the remakes for it to really be "back after 30 years", like.. I was super happy SMRPG got remade last year but if a sequel happened I wouldn't be acting like it was gone for 30 years
To me it's a letdown because the teaser's artstyle had a much different look than the revealed game, that enigma of this Emio character is now gone that he's in a game genre that won't allow him to look as creepy as he should have been, I was really on-board with a silent hill type game made by Nintendo and I feel cheated that the teaser was so vague about what it really was selling
@@kirbyofthestarsfan You feel cheated because of false expectations. Everyone overhyped themselves on this. Everyone expected this to be a super dark horror game when all the teaser was, was a guy with a bag over his head... Not that scary if you've played actual horror games. You let your brain run wild for something that will never happen.
@@Miriam_J_ Did you watch the video? That's the point of teasers and this one was a wildly different tone than the product it was for. Don't blame the audience for judging marketing materials Nintendo made and chose to release to be judged. God forbid.
@@Gafafsg They knew it wasn't going to appeal to a large base so the idea was to get people talking about it which worked, would you have looked at it if was just a normal adventure game trailer? probably not if it's not your type of game
I think it's less that it's not good enough, it's more likely just that most people (moreso in the West) do not care at all about visual novels. Plenty of those people were interested in the teaser and then just realized the game wasn't for them. That seems a natural consequence of this marketing strategy.
I'm kind of confused by the notion visual novel horror is "lesser" than other forms of horror. Like, novel novels can inarguably be horror, like Stephen King. I don't see what makes this any different, especially with what we know the contents of the game entails from ratings boards
People just have certain biases because they are uninformed. If a visual novel ever resonated with him in the past, he would be singing a very different tune. Most people who dismiss visual novels as an entire medium have probably never even finished one.
I've seen more visual novels that succeed in phycological horror than any other genre of horror
This! Such a great medium for storytelling!
It's mainly just ignorance and naivety, certain genres just have stigmas attached to them
Visual novels were the walking simulator before walking simulators.
I'm just happy this wasn't a bloober team game.
Can you explain where the blooper team rumor came from? Because this is the first time I've even heard of them and I just learned that they're the team behind Silent Hill 2 Remake.
@@LightspeedsBloober is working on a Switch exclusive yet to be named codenamed Project M and people online just went "Project M...io???" And assumed it was that.
Presumably that means we'll have the ACTUAL Project M revealed soon so people who want their Switch exclusive Bloober game will get that too.
Clarification for people: these are *not* visual novel games. They're adventure games very similar to something like Ace Attorney. I haven't dove into these games before, but that teaser definitely got me interested. I actually think the reveal of what this was is actually pretty great news in the long run, because it's yet another example of Nintendo being willing to get back into a series they haven't touched in a significant period of time. We got the remakes of the first two games earlier, sure, but having a brand new game is something else entirely. Hoping it does well!
Yeah it's mind blowing how even the biggest creators can't even check Wikipedia for a second and see Famicom Detective Club is described as an adventure game.
@@Bro3256 To be fair, "VN vs Adventure" is a pretty old debate at this point. For someone like me who's an Ace Attorney fan, it's super common to see people get confused over it because a lot of adventure games use VN tropes and elements in their presentation, so to someone who isn't familiar with both it can seem like they're one and the same
Ehhh, Ace Attorney fits pretty firmly in the “visual novel” genre, imo. Or perhaps “interactive novel” is a better. Same goes for Daganrompa. I don’t know FDC well enough to judge, but if you are suggesting that it belongs in the same category as the aforementioned two series, then yeah, it’s a visual novel, as far as I am concerned.
In Japan, VNs are also called Adventure games. Only in other languages is there a distinction between those games
@@TheGeladoo I mean the main reason I make the distinction in the first place is that visual novels the majority of the time tend to have little to no interaction at all aside from advancing text, and maybe making a dialogue decision here and there. There's just a good bit more going on with something like Ace Attorney in terms of interactivity. You could probably make the argument that something like that and Famicom Detective Club are like hybrids between a visual novel and a point-and-click adventure game. It's tough, because a lot of genres and sub-genres within those genres aren't always the most well-defined. Maybe modern adventure games have been influenced a bit by the visual novel genre?
I wonder how many people know this is the director behind Super Metroid
no, i still don’t think we know who emio is. we gotta play the game to find out, you silly boy 🤪🤪
In all honesty, it's great to see a new Famicom Detective Club game (as well as a proper series antagonist) since that may as well open more proper Smash potential (for more characters besides Ayumi). I'd however wish that the Satellaview game was remade before a new game.
I FLIPPING CALLED THIS! I left a comment with this as a hope on Kit & Krysta’s short about the original teaser!
Even when Nintendo surprises us, we get surprised again.
I'm honestly mystified by people's reaction it... IS a horror game? I mean, I think the I'd say it worked perfectly: "Here is this spooky horror game you might be interested in if you like spooky horror stuff" reaching past people's pretty evident biases against VN-ish games.
Exactly.
This!
Thank you! Somebody said it! People need to realize that horror is more than just survival horror or Silent Hill clones.
I can't stand a lot of recent horror stuff (where everything is a bloober team game), and horror VNs are pretty much my favorite medium for horror. People discount the cool things you can do with a VN and say, "I could just read a book," as if to discount their existence. So annoying...
Exactly! Not all "horror theme" game need to be a boring walking jumpscare simulator.
Idk man, I've played and enjoyed plenty of VNs but the tonal shift is a huge turn off. That and the style. There were better ways to market this that would've been more honest. Maybe they would've gotten less attention, but they certainly would've gotten less ire.
Ive never heard of this series before but it seems super interesting. Its giving me 999 vibes which I played on the DS and really loved
I think the point was to tell people what the game is before telling them that it is a visual novel, because most people have a misconception about what visual novels are. Visual novels would be a lucrative market if more people knew that they arent all dating sims or built around romance routes
Visual novels are already a lucrative market with people thinking that. Dating sims are huge.
Yeah I feel like Arlo missed the point thinking "oh the game that looked interesting is a VN, that can't possibly be interesting, skip"
@@TheGeladoo And that's unfortunately one of his major flaws. The way I see it is that Arlo tends to let his theories run wild and if those expectations/theories aren't met, he gets all negative about it, which is something that a lot of people tend to feel. But in Arlo's case, he comes off as being exceptionally yet unintentionally pessimistic as a result. This is why I don't have any crazy expectations when it comes to teasers for games while also still being excited if that makes sense.
@@TheGeladoo Kinda similar when a JRPG shows off a fantasy setting and peeps go "Uhhg, generic medieval fantasy, pass." when Romancing Saga 2, Dragon Quest 3, and Unicorn Overlord are so drastically different and all have interesting twists.
@@fenrirslip This is exactly why it's a good idea to have reasonable expectations with an open mind, you get burned and let down too many times when you're expecting everything to be top tier
nintendo taking famicom detective club this seriously is awesome, actually. very very good games.
This video unfortunately shows one of Arlo's major flaws that's been slowly showing its ugly head in recent years. He tends to come across as pessimistic (unintentionally I'd like to think) when a game turns out to be not what he and many others expected. It's important to set reasonable expectations instead of immediately jumping to the conclusion that a new game will be a new IP or genre that a company rarely delves into like the survival horror genre.
I'd like to think that Nintendo would be very capable of making their own survival horror game in a similar vein to Silent Hill or Resident Evil. However, Nintendo would obviously want to put their own little twist on the traditional survival horror tropes. Nintendo has a history of incorporating dark themes into its games. Even if it's something as lighthearted as the Mario franchise. Lest we not forget that some of the deaths in Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2. Mario getting sucked into a black hole and essentially exploding, drowning in poison/quicksand, and having Mario/Luigi's hand reach out for one last attempt for air while also making drowning sounds, to getting electrocuted and having Mario/Luigi's skeletons visible.
Majora's Mask is also another example of a game that's exceptionally dark for Nintendo. The most obvious asset that makes Majora's Mask dark is to ever-looming presence of the Moon slowly encroaching toward Termina to cause an apocalyptic event of epic proportions. So I don't think it's a matter of Nintendo being hesitant to create something like SH or RE, it's more so them wanting to come up with something that stands out from the crowd, something unorthodox. And we should all know by this point that Nintendo takes its time when it pertains to coming up with new features and incorporating them into older styles.
Take TLOZ: Echoes of Wisdom for example. The older style is the top-down Zelda format that fans have been waiting for a decade now with the new features being the fact we play as Zelda, the echoes created by the Tri-Rod, along with any other quirks the game will throw at players. So again, I would like to reiterate that it's important to set reasonable expectations instead of looking toward what the majority of folks want. That way, when the reveal happens, you'll either be less disappointed or more excited depending on how you look at it.
Im disappointed, yet excited, and intrigued with this game
I never thought they would ever make a new Famicom Detective Club game.
Good marketing.
I am of the opinion that Nintendo doesnt need new IPs especially at the end of a console life span lol, so I'm happy its Famicom Detective
I think the teaser worked exactly as it should, now eyes are on Famicom detective club where they weren’t before. Maybe people might play them, some people at least
they probably dropped it so soon after nonchalantly because they didnt want people to over hype it too much for too long
Personally, i like that it’s a continuation of this series mainly cuz i’m not a fan of the horror genre so if this was like full on survival horror i prolly wouldn’t have played it. I can handle darker stories in visual novels cuz i do like Danganronpa but surviving in a horror setting where something could be lurking in the darkness or every small noise gives me a heart attack. I can’t handle that.
I would’ve played it if it was a horror game. Now I’m absolutely not playing this trash, it looks terrible and so boring
@@Whattheflip64 Well that’s what you’re into i am not so we are at an impasse
@@Whattheflip64 can you read books and have fun? I assume not, then
@@lukethephantomthief have fun with it if you get it tho
@@squiddu why would I spam A, reading words on a screen, when I can grab a book?
And Emio was his name-io
"A visual novel can be scary but it can't really be horror"
*Paranormasight has entered the chat.*
Higurashi and ddlc says hi as well
@@minakoarisato1506Is DDLC a horror game? I've seen most people call it a "psychological thriller".
@useraccount333 I'd say it covers the horror genre. (The Plus version even calls it a Psychological Horror game. They weren't hiding it this time because why bother? It was already covered all over the internet.)
@@bluejay21. The main dev said he didn't want to lie when marketing a game you have to pay for (which is part of why the original is free)
@@TheGeladooDDLC SPOILERS AHEAD: That’s interesting! I thought it was because beating the game requires you to delete it, but that makes sense as well!
Hey, it's not like this advertising stunt didn't do anything...
I wanna play Famicom Detective Club now.
The idea that the reaction for people not already into Famicom Detective Club is to just to throw your arms up in disappointment is real dumb. If you were intrigued by the idea of an M-rated Nintendo Horror game, why are you not interested in the M-rated Nintendo Horror game? It hasn't changed fundamentally in any way, your interest should be inspiration to maybe see what the series is about.
Famicon Detective Club!!! Famicon Detective Club!!! Eeeeeeeh!!!
*Famicom
[Family-computer]
@@RhythmGrizz correction: ファミコン is read from japanese as Famicon (computer is written with an n in Japan)
It’s pronounced “Nintendo Entertainment System”
@@NyanSpeakYes but it's only because the N and M are close to each other (and there's no standalone M letter in Japanese so then use N) but in English has always written it as "Famicom"
@@FunnyParadox correction again! Romaji is still famicon ww (because ン is still n)
I didn't even know Famicom Detective Club existed before this announcement. Seriously, Im a huge Nintendo nerd and somehow I just never knew? AND NOW MY BROKE SELF IS LOOKING TO BUY ALL THREE GAMES?! That teaser did its job darn well. Besides, Id rather see Yoshio Sakamoto's passion project as apposed to another Amnesia like game.
I'm mind-blown! Love that they're making a new one and hoping they streamline their visual novel gameplay for this one.
They made this just for me, and I'm happy. I just hope that the people who are disappointed that this isn't a new IP to rival Eternal Darkness, Silent Hill or Heavy Rain or whatever will give this game a try and learn to love it as well.
I already thought it was pretty cool of them to bring back a vintage series for a modern audience - I felt that way about Live A Live. But to make a sequel for it? That's just wonderful. I'm confident that the quality of the game will be excellent.
How do we know that this new entry will not be very interesting? They could have the next Persona 5 level like but horror game.
The complaints are expected, but I reckon the teaser image’s gritty and mature look will win a lot of horror fans over to a mystery IP revival. There’s a lot of cross-genre appeal here, and the performance of this game will no doubt be a major factor in a potential dedicated horror IP in the future
congratulations to the famicom detective club fanbase! it’s great to see a new game for a small ip, even if it’s a small number of people who are actually super fans. even if i’m not one of them, i may still pick it up and see how it is- if this was sandwiched in a direct, i think even fewer people would care. plus, it was fun to see theories! the teaser worked for what it was supposed to do, and I respect the hell out of Nintendo for letting Yoshio Sakamoto do all this. congrats, fdc fans!! 🥳🎉🎊
I like how you put it: "The teaser worked too well". Maybe that is the reason why they didn't go any further with the teasing as it might have increased curiosity even further, while they were knowing they tease a more nieche product. Overall I am still happy and I will definitely check it out. Have a great weekend.
They were probably planning to tease it for longer then saw how much it blew up and decided to reveal it to stop the speculation and to not get people's expectations even higher
I think this Emio guy looks kinda freaky to my opinion
Elmo? But that's not Sesame Street?!
Lol 😂😂
correct. that’s not sesame street. question answered 😎😎
This is Arlo
😭
>Sakamoto makes the EMMI for Metroid Dread
>Proceeds to make Emio for FDC
Bravo Mr. Sakamoto!
Clever marketing
Those old games were short because they were remakes based on old games..? This is a new game, you know. Please don't put down FDC just because you don't like adventure games, it's perfectly fine not to be all about a genre without suggesting that they should be valued less.
There are only two games and they’re 30 years old. They’re not even very long. This is practically a new series, in practically a new genre for Nintendo. And it’s rated m. This is extremely cool.
It‘s the third game and no new series.
@@alexh7513 “practically”
One thing you absolutely have to give kudos to Nintendo for, is their willingness to both come up with new crazy little ideas and revive niche IP's and then give them some proper attention. They'll give little niche products their own window of marketing and show how passionate they are about it.
as a fan of famicom detective club ,this was on par with something like Brothership to me ! SO HYPED ! And i love how they teased it !
"small group of people". I mean, it's the same group of people who played popular games like Ace Attorney and Danganronpa. I think you misunderstand how this group of peope is not that small.
I am SSOOOOOO happy. I had a bunch of friends tagging me about it. I am also one of those that kinda hoped it would be a FDC game, but didn’t dare to believe it could be. XD
The fact that FDC got an actual new game before Donkey Kong and StarFox lol
Yes but after 30 years of waiting.
Difference is that they've found a specialized developer that can take on Famicom Detective Club in the form of Mages. DK and Star Fox have both lacked consistent developers for a very long time. Retro seemed like it could be the new DK team, but they fell off the map and then returned to Metroid Prime. (I do still believe EPD Tokyo has a DK game on the way as was rumored; they were hiring for a 2D action game a few years ago, and the last time they did something of the sort was Donkey Kong Jungle Beat.) And then for Star Fox, it's bounced between developers ever since 64 even though Nintendo's still contributed resources themselves. Rare, Namco, Q-Games, and PlatinumGames all worked on the IP at some point, and none of them seem to have stuck. (Star Fox also seems to be set for a return soon, though, as leftovers referring to Star Fox elements like the Wolfen were found in Switch Sports of all games, and Nintendo was applying for new trademarks for the series around the same time that they were doing so for Princess Peach, likely for Showtime.)
I've always loved and wanted to finished Famicon Detective so joe is a perfect time to finish it 😤
Love detective games, never played the originals, I see this as an absolute win
I'm extremely hyped for new Famicom Detective Club game
Sakamoto on an M rated game, especially with how kinda dark the first two games went back on the Famicom, should have people excited enough. But I think it's also worth pointing out, as Sakamoto himself does in the video introducing them, that these are ADVENTURE games. Just like Ace Attorney and Danganronpa, both game franchises inspired by this one in some way, these are not strictly visual novels; nor do I really believe 'visual novels' should be stigmatic term or unworthy of a 50$ price tag for multiple reasons, but I digress.
These games are adventure games where you find clues, communicate with people, solve logic puzzles, and figure out a mystery. Full artwork, full voice acting, fully composed soundtrack, and quite likely a longer length considering this is a game developed on the Switch and not the Famicom. You don't sit and just read.
I’m just proud that this is the one thing I predicted 100% correct. 😂😂
I personally had no interest in the Detective Famicom Club games but the teaser was very interesting to me and this announcement has made me interested in checking out the series. So I think I'm the mark here.
I didn't actually think it was Eternal Darkness related but that was my dearest hope.
So you talk at the end about thinking the price for the game is too high because of how short the game is. I'm curious as to what you think about Metroid Dreads price, because it too is a short game that takes around 10 hours to finish. Obviously you're a big Metroid fan and not a FDC fan, but do you think Metroid should've been priced lower since its a shorter game? If not, what is it about these 2 games that makes you think one game deserves to be full price while the other doesn't?