According To Gallender Sonny Liston Was 44 Yrs Old When He Fought Ali
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- Опубликовано: 5 янв 2018
- Paul Gallender said that Sonny Liston was born in 1919 which means Liston was older than Rocky Marciano. Could it be that the younger Rocky Marciano use to show up to Sonny Liston fights as the retired old legend that never faced the older Liston?
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When I see Liston I see a beautiful soul. I see his troubled childhood. I see the struggles he had with fame good and bad. I see in his eyes a sadness and weariness of years of torment by society. I see the kindness and gentleness when he talks to children
with his smile. In my opinion he was the greatest of all time because he fought not only in the ring but out of the ring. So it is so fitting that we see a man in the 60's that is right up there with Malcom X, JFK, RFK, MLK, Dorothy Kilgallen and Marilyn Monroe. It was a time of innocence and a time of turbulence and corruption.
He made his mark in life no matter what you think of him!
Sonny Liston is one of my favorite Boxers all time .... Hardest Jab in the history of Boxing period
If this dude has Liston's age correct... and he was _twice_ Ali's age at the time of their first fight, Liston may be the best heavyweight of all time. That would be earth shattering. I can't fathom an old Marciano watching Liston, _who was actually younger that he was_ , fight and it really puts Foreman's comeback in proper context as well.
An old woman once said who claims she knew someone from sonny Liston's Father's side and said Sonny Liston was Born in 1926 !
@@datguitarplayer1656 there is. I way in hell Liston was that old
Ernie shavers disagree
@@jgvtc559 liistons jab was harder than shavers
My favorite heavyweight champion of all-time ! RIP Sonny Liston !
What did you like the most about him?
He and Rocky Marciano were the class of that era. Ali never hit Liston with the phantom punch. Check out the murder of Sonny Liston. John Kinsey
Blood thanks for this my dude. Liston is literally my all time favorite, to come from where he did and achieve what he did was a great inspiration to me as a kid. This man fought and beat all the killers of that time and didnt duck no one. Fighters of today can learn alot from Sonny
Hes the scariest and the most ferocious fighter of all times
100% agree, all time favorite. A terrifying man
Cant u just say he s ur favorite? Why is he literally ur favorite? Why does saying literally make it different? Id literally like to know!
@@Johnnyrocks34 he literally got his head cut and swole up fu##ng with Clay/Ali in 1964.
@@Johnnyrocks34 Liston is figuratively a lot of peoples favorite boxer. That’s why the clarification
Any time you hear an older athlete say I'm in the best shape of my life trust me it's over. He was past his prime no shame in that he still is one of the greats ! RIP big man
I can definitely believe he was that old, well at least early 1920s. Which would put him at around 30 at the time of his pro debut in 53'. This guy started late so he had less wear and tear. And dude was one of the freakiest specimens to ever live.
I think so too his mannerisms and energy reminds me of my grandfathers generation 1920s era who was from Arkansas as well…same story all share croppers with old ass parents and siblings lol education etc the whole nine
Guy was in the prison boxing system for 15 years.
@@joshuahall1581 No one wanted to fight him in the Penn !
Imagine if he'd had the training that Tyson had.. He'd have been unbeatable...
Wotta life he lived as well,, he came from literally no where & became the heavyweight champion..
RIP Sonny,, he'll never be forgotten.
Looking at his pictures, he definitely wasn't 38 to 40 when he died. Definitely an extra 10 years older than that.
Prison, drugs and all-time stress does that to even people that aren't fighters.
Floyd was such a gentle soul with the most brutal left hook. Its why Cus loved and loathed Floyd when it was all done.
Wow sonny listen was always one of those mysterious stories when it came to boxing thanks blood for the info
Sonny is very under rated, one of the most talented heavy weight Champs, By far the best hardest Jab. And a 84+ iinch reach .huh! !
Larry Holmes had the best jab for a heavyweight
Power is the last thing to go. Liston had plenty of power in old age and he looks old in his Ali fight. It's very possible he was born in 1919. Yeah, I think he's very underrated.
My dad was born in 1919 when Sonny fought Clay in Miami 1964 that would've made Sonny at least 45 yrs old. I don't think so. Archie Moore was at least 45 when he fought Ali.
I just to get know about Liston few years ago. Soon I heard his name. I searched his fights and saw his face.
And Just from his face with eyebags, textured flabby skin and no harmonic feature, he looks old.
He just looks old 😭
Sonny kicked *ss and was hated for that
i have always been a fan of listons .it is such a shame he never got the respect that he was due.most likely he was murdered and the whole truth of it wont be told
@@jimvolk9911 I believe that Sonny Liston was murdered as well. By the mob that he worked for. They made it look like a drug overdose. But that's what was done to Marilyn Monroe as well.
I need to start making research about the greats of the 1940s & 50s this is gold! Thank you 🙏🏽
Sonny's arrest records in the 1950s record his age at being around 25-27. His age is uncertain but based on his family I'd say he was at least 36-37 in 1964. That's why he kept getting injured in training, and why he got knocked out Ali so fast.
Bro I really can't say. I do believe he was born in 1919. I have sunny Liston as my all time great.
Sonny Liston is one of my favourite heavyweight champs the man had a good heart but people were not willing to acknowledge that. Its sad what the mob did to this brother. RIP
The mob didn’t do anything to him. He brought it all on himself. And I’m a Liston fan. But he put himself in that position. You can’t blame white people for everything.
@@greyghostscsa394 when did he say white folks did this seems like you lookin for problems where they ain’t none
@@greyghostscsa394 I am a Liston fan myself. I don't think it was a black and white thing but Sonny had no education and some bad people took advantage of him his whole career. Sonny didn't have the ability to make a living any other way but his fists, whether it was in a boxing ring or in the streets. I think he had a good heart but he never had a real chance because of his start in life and no education, not even literate. I think in many ways Sonny was a victim of his curcumstances. He wasn't just a black man in America, he was a poor black man from the south coming up in the 1920's who never went to school and whose father treated him and his 24 brothers and sisters literally like farm animals and worse than slaves. He never had a chance in life.
Oh give me a break! Mob did nothing to him. His own fault
White man bad
I have read that "boxing experts" who had seen Joe Louis and Liston, rated Liston superior. He was probably past his prime when he fought Ali. Ali also had a style and skills which Liston had never dealt with before and that contributed to the final outcome. As, far as his age he probably was at least a few years older than he was listed. Liston should at least, be rated as one of the greatest.
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The reason why he never got respect was because he didn't win against Ali. Since he never won against Ali
BOXING EXPERTS…..
HA HA HA…..
Talk to the
BEST HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPS….
It’s their club and they know more than so called experts. Bert Sugar was my friend. We would have LING discussions driving home fir NYC to Westchester County. I told him he didn’t no anything about boxing and he would laugh. The CHAMPS never mentioned Sonny as an ATG. His resume was incomplete and when it mattered he didn’t show up.
@LAWRENCE GRAY young sonny liston would've put Cassius clay in the hospital late 1950s/ early 1960s
I had heard that before, that his pro debut was 33 to 35 years old; what we do know is that he always had the physique, strength, and physicalities of a man much older than that of his supposed age group. Even his face looks like he was in his 30's at the start of his career. Liston was BY FAR the most underrated Heavyweight Champ he avenged his early loss by knocking out his opponent; and at best he was 30 on his pro debut.
I thoroughly enjoyed this man, very enlightening information. Very tragic life of Mr. Liston. Great stuff blood. Thank you.
Sonny Liston i thought always looked older then what they stated.
When adding up the time period he went to go find his mom on his own 1919 would be more acurate. His mom reported those numbers to the them for the census and many families had a lot to hide She had several other children and ......we'll need I go further
@@retroboxingdocumentaries4817 The original 1919 statement came from Liston's own sister in which she claimed to be present at the time of conception in which he was born on November 2nd 1919, just a couple of months before the great return of WW1 soldiers back into America.
The third documentary I've seen on Liston, and the best one yet - kudos! 🥊
There's another one dropped by Joe Vincent, Rainy Day Boxing and Mixed Martial Arts, check them out.
very nice documentary & upload, very interesting to watch& learn.
good stuff.. ive alawys been curious about liston.
for somone to come from where he did is defo an amazing story.
most of this info is all new to me. good lookin out my g.
Nobody knows you would need his Dna to science to prove it , he was my dads favorite boxer he was feared they said he used to lift guys off the ground with body punches but everyone knew he was older than stated. A great legend
It is plausible that Sonny was born in 1919, he was one of 25 children, born into a poor Sharecropper family in rural Arkansas. There is a clear conflict in birthdates listed in his early arrest records and his ultimate "Post Birth Certificate". I think the birthdates on the arrest records are the more accurate ones which made Sonny 5 years older than his 1932 birthdate. Also, regarding fighting Joe Louis, Sonny' did NOT turn Pro until 1953, thus he could NOT have fought Louis. Marciano was Champ from 53-56, that fight was plausible, BUT unlikely, given it took Sonny until 1962 to gain ranking for a Title fight & the Notice of President Kennedy who actually mentioned a Patterson-Liston Fight. Sonny remains an underrated Champ, and a Media Blackballed Champ because he didn't play Ball with them so they made him into something the wasn't. The ONLY time the Media cheered for Sonny was in the Ali Rematch because they hated Ali more than Sonny. Sonny was a true Champ in that he fought all comers LIKE A CHAMP SHOULD, unlike today where Brand, Commercialism, and bullshit takes precedence. Sonny wasn't a Monster, he was a true Badass, but he also was a nice guy, he gave respect if he received it and he loved kids.
Sonny was the #1 contender for six years, Patterson and Johansen avoided Sonny like the plague, chosing to fight a trilogy between them instead, but Patterson gave in even against the advice of his manager Cus deMato eventually losing the belt to Sonny and failing to recapture the title in a rematch. Rocky didn't want that smoke from Sonny Liston, Cleveland Williams etc,...
Good morning he could not have fought Rocky or Louis because he had only just started when they were in their primes.l do believe he was born between 1919 and 1921 may his soul RIP
.
@@keithcampbell6806 that would've made him 45 when he fought Clay in 1964 Miami.
The police were very crooked back then, couldn't trust nothing they wrote in a report, I bet those people his daddy was sharecropping for knows how old he was. You know they kept record of their property or who was working on his farm.
Excellent video. I don't know if he was that old, but he definitely had a more aged appearance than he did in his earlier mugshots.
To win World Heavyweight title At the age 44 is not a Joke.It was Liston who made Ali a Boxing Mega Star. Its a Sad story he never got a respect from fans. RIP champ ✌✌✌
Great Video!
I believe that BLOOD. My grandfather changed his name after he went to prison and killed a dude. Guys did that back then.
Ur related to Sonny Liston
Oh yeah BLOOD
Excellent video 🔥
Great Content.
Another dope vid. I admire Sonny.
Believable that he was able to fight well at an advanced age. Bernard Hopkins was competitive until his fifties.
Great video BloodBoxingreturnz I love videos like this
This will go down as a Blood classic. Man not to knock Ali but it seems like people don't want any real history of Liston to get out like it will destroy Ali's legacy. Ali was great for things beyond boxing but it's important that information like this get out for guys who are sometimes forgotten or just side notes. When they talked about Sonny riding on the cops, BACK THEN, I became an instant fan. The circumstances that surrounded the Ali fights just make me see him in a new light.
Joe Cool1231 Sonny Liston was a tough sob. I don’t think it matters if Liston was 20 or 50 at that time because Liston was a wrecking machine in those days.
How would any information to come out now about Liston "destroy Ali's legacy"?
Are you right in the head?
Everyone knows what Ali was. Explain yourself.
Ali was a media created fraud.
@@jakenconor Every time Liston gets brought up or the dive gets mentioned there’s always tons of Ali fans who’ll come out the woodwork and start shitting on Liston. You can go to literally any video about Ali vs Liston 1 or 2 and you’ll see a whole much of wild shit they’ll claim, I’ve had one guy leave a 10 paragraph reply of mental gymnastics on how the “Phantom Punch” was a legit knockout (dude completely missed the fact that Liston got up and how the ten count wasn’t supposed to start until Ali got to his corner) and how Liston isn’t even a top 20 all time heavyweight. It seems they somehow view it as an insult to Ali to even bring it up.
@@verscarii3238 Ali fanatics are just as crazy as the Tyson ones
Woo great video Brother Blood!!!!!My great uncle Geroge Gaston was Liston sparring partner for awhile, he told my dad he hit hard but,the hardest he's been ever hit was from Frazier...he won Golden Gloves here n Seattle for light Heavyweight in 74,75 I think...he knocked out the Seattle great Boone "Boom Boom "Kirkland!! Kirkland later went on n faught Llye,Forman,n Ali but my uncle ko him first!!! Great video Brother Blood 👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾 THANKS FOR ALL THE WORK YOU PUT IN!!!!!!
George Gaston.....i just looked him up bro and i will be looking for more info on him thanks for sharing that with me brother
@@retroboxingdocumentaries4817 thanks brother Blood 💯!!! All I know is story's Family my grandpa told me Family i appreciate if u could it would mean the world to my family, most of them don't even know uncle George " Poonk " faught pro they just knew he could fight
I think I just found this Blood. I did a show with Gallender. He got receipts. Cool Video.
Liston was older than what stated to obtain a license, but also he used different names when he was arrested.
yup...he was surely 43-44. Ali himself says pre-fight that Liston was about 40 'to a day'. There is no way from those photos that he was 33 when he fought Ali. Ali fought an old man.
Damn good shit 💯💯
Man's left hook to the body looks like death itself...great video bro
Great video to start 2018. It's cool to create discussions fighters on your videos to keep everyone involved. Good to hear different opinions. Sonny maybe was a little older than what was recorded in birth documents. 👍
Ali(Cassius Clay) himself said that Sonny was 40-something in their first fight.
Who was that?
Great Video
Love your videos bro!
Liston will never know how much respect he’s given after his death
Love Sonny's comments to the press.
I haven't been having real ones
I plan on use both of them
Priceless
That guy is out of his mind. Sonny Liston was not born in the year 1919, Sonny Liston was born in 1932.
No he wasn't you dummy, that is just a made up birth date
Born 1929 yes very rough and tough guy and Loved people that pose no threat.....
One of the best to do it!!!!!
One thing that’s not a mystery about this man is he was one hell of a tough son of a gun.
this video popped up on my feed, i bought this book i thought it came from a recommendation from you blood, mystery solved.
great video
First! I believe I've seen every Sonny Liston doc, including The Champ Nobody Wanted. Sad, sad, sad what Sonny went through in his short, chaotic life. He supposedly left his dad because he would beat him constantly. Love the classic vids Blood.
This is a treasure.
Great vid bro
One of boxings most interesting fighters in history
Newspaper article says he was 22 and the mug shot is dated 1950. So was the article in the newspaper and the mug shot related?
nice work g8 video on the best athelete ever
Man great topic to talk about brother blood...it always was alot of mystery surrounding liston
Man that era in history is something else people should really respect all of the fighters and freedom fighters of that time who were real warriors and stood for something
remember when he won the WHB Championship in 1962 there were rumours swirling round the business ,by people that had known him for years,that his age was around 43 years old.People were too entranced by the show bizz spectre of Cassius Clay to give any thought to the rumours.I am glad the sad true story of the phenomenal Charles Sonny Liston is emerging, as this great but used and abused man is slowly getting his rightful position in the history of Boxing,as a "Great"
I can believe that Liston was that old. He looked it. The reality is it would look better to say you were younger. Big fan of Liston and 1919 sounds about right. Avoided by most and who would blame them. Ali never knocked anybody out either before or after Sonny in the 1st round, including guys with glass jaws. Sonny kept throwing himself on the floor ? Everything about Sonny was a mystery ?
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TONY X, I AGREE.i believe Sonny did not know himself how old he was and just put what the Mafia handlers told him to.As I said on another post, Chuck Wepner, his last opponent stated that Sonny,up close looked about 50 YEARS OLD .I firmly believe both Ali fights were rigged,the first by the Mafia and the second by the Black Muslims ,intidating Sonny,whose Mafia handlers and protectors ,were by then in prison. Everybody seems to want to protect Ali,s memory and legacy but it must be rembered that where sport meets big business with vast amounts of money swirling around and crooked,unscrupulous men involved,corruption occurs.Sonny was a simple ,uneducated man with very little learning so he veered towards those who would look after him,who would do the thinking for him.It is a pity because we,the paying public,never saw the best of this fascinating,enigmatic man whom I believe ,were he in a corruption free business ,would have reigned as king of the heavyweights from about 1954 till 1970, when his age began to show.Read what George Chuvalo said about the second Ali/Liston fight and watch him in the ring,after that farce screaming at Ali and gestering towards List on.He knew it was crooked.
@@djangorheinhardt The first fight definitely wasn't fixed.
Blacks seem to age better than whites for the most part, but Sonny's face looks old. Forty for his first fight with Clay seems possible. More of a possibility than him being 32.
Liston looked old because he lived a hard life. I believe at most he wasn't born no earlier than 1929.
My personal opinion is that, Marciano retired because he thought he may have to fight Sonny Liston, who was bigger and stronger and rougher and tougher than anyone he had ever fought. And this man wasn't old or washed up. He not only was strong with a super long reach, he could fight. Angelo Dundee called him Dr.death. not taking anything away from Marciano, he was a great fighter, but just much to small for sonny and couldn't get past the reach. I feel it would have been similar to Joe Frazier fighting George Foreman and Joe Frazier was bigger than Marciano. And Foreman said this was the scariest and the single hardest-hitting heavyweight he ever been in the ring with.
Liston wasn't even known in 1956 when Rocky retired. Floyd Patterson was the champion at that time.
well to be fair to Marciano....he wasn't a true heavyweight. Not in the modern sense. Liston was much bigger. Rocky was more of a natural cruiserweight. Don't sell him short though. Dude hit like a truck, was relentless and tough as nails.
BTW....according to reports on the end of Rocky's career....he was indeed old when he retired. Dude was having back problems and was having difficulty standing up. That's the very definition of getting old.
Your opinion is wrong. Liston was not even a blip on the horizon when Marciano retired. Liston didn't fight his first ranked fighter (Mike DeJohn) until 1959. he was still fighting 8 round fights when Rocky retired. He even lost to a bum (Marty Marshall). The fights he won were mostly by decision. Nobody was afraid of him or even knew who he was. Hopefully that myth is put to rest.
Liston would have destroyed Marciano
@@blackknight5339 Maybe in overdose with cocaine but in fight hell noo
I knew an older pro pool player, who said Liston was sleeping in the pool room in St.Louis in
1939 and he was a teenager (he told me that in the early 70's)
Awesome story bro
I am beginning to love that man Liston
Sonny was the second youngest of 25 children. A simple deduction of the age of his two closest siblings should give you his age within1 year.
great point Gopher State...its just so hard to get a solid answer on this one with the way things were done back then.
Sonny could have taken the name of one of his younger brothers
@@michaeltrumph121 o
Nastiest Stare
Nastiest Jab
Amazing Athlete
Extra credit for stuffing law enforcement into a trash can.
Liston looked like someone in his 40's when fought Ali, in short clips in interviews and fight conference's he acts like a older man, I believe he was 44 far more than 29.
Did he look 51 when he retired in 1970 ? Because that’s old he would have been
@@bobbyhulll8737 Yes he did, their is a photo of him when he boxed at a academy as a kid the photo was in 1934 and he looked 14-17 years old although if he was big and developed early could be as young as 12 which would make him 42 in first Ali fight atleast most likely 2-4 years older than that.
@@frankjaeger393 again that would make him 51 or more when he retired from Boxing..I find that hard to believe unless he found the fountain of youth, George Chuvalo weight 175 pounds when he was 15 ...some people just develop early...anything is possible i guess....what does George Foreman have to say about it ?
@@bobbyhulll8737 Really? He really looked and fought that old at end, and how you explain him as a kid on the year he was suppose be born, lol. His birth date even changed during his boxing career was 1932 then 1934, was 1927 in police report, people close to him said 1919-1922
@@frankjaeger393 well he won 14 consecutive fights after the second loss to ALI...I realize there is dispute about his actual birth year, It would be an incredible story if he was in his 50's still boxing ..I find it improbable ..of course anything is possible ...I haven't seen or heard any proof of the image that you speak of ...is it conclusive , has it been proven to be him? Anything ive read is speculative ..
I saw a documentary, on HBO it said that he lied about his age.
The photo of sonny liston wearing a zoot suit as a teen,,,would mean sonny was born in the mid twenties,,as the zoot suit style pretty much done with on east coast in the early forties
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Good shit Blood.
If this is true Liston would have to be the greatest throwback heavyweight of all time I always thought he was born in 1930 before.
Yo how this man was off the grid like that? How did he even do time back then if they can't even confirm who he is and where he came from.
Marciano would have been murdered by Liston if they fought. It would have been like Foreman vs Frazier
Ali did say Liston was at least 40 when they first fought!!!
Sonny was definitely underrated and he threw the second Ali fight.
first one also there are some that say..
@@souldesire5932 Sonny ain't threw neither fight, why throw the fight when you got the mob backing you, Carbo,Vitale, Palermo. I don't know how Sonny could fukk that up unless he was trying to sever ties with the mob, that might explain his mysterious death/murder; idk. Sonny was not liked in Philadelphia, why would he move to lilly white Denver.
Paul Gallender was a nice man, I spoke to him about this issue. You can listen to any number of opinions, or you can listen to the truth. Mr. Gallender may have spent years researching Sonny, but he was wrong in spite of it. I'll prove to any man with an open mind, right now, that Sonny Liston was indeed born in 1932. Sonny was the last of 25 children, they don't mention that in this story. If you had 24 siblings, you couldn't possibly be wrong about your age by more than a year or so at the most.
Sonny went to school at least a few years. He went along with some of his siblings. If he was the youngest, he would only have been a year or so younger than the next in line. All 25 children weren't unaware of their ages, that would be ridiculous. If Sonny attended first grade and another sibling was in 2nd or 3rd grade, that made him 1 or 2 years younger than that sibling. With 25 children, there could only be a year missing in between kids here and there. In order for Mr. Gallender to be correct, that Sonny was born in 1919, then all 24 of his siblings would have to have been born before that since he was the youngest. That would make some of his siblings born in the 1880's or 1890's. They would have been older than his parents. That's why you can only stretch his age so far before it becomes absurd.
2 more things; at 34:32 in this video, look at Sonny Liston. This was after he retired, at about 38 and not long before he died. Doesn't Sonny look about 38 there? According to Paul Gallender, when you see Sonny at 34:32, he would have to be 51. That's a 38 year old Sonny Liston, he looks young and nowhere near 51. Not only that, he fought Ali at the same weight he had been fighting at for several years. Even if a heavyweight fighter could continue fighting into his mid 40's or 50's, he wouldn't be at the same weight he was 15 years earlier. Also, take a good look at Sonny when he fought Ali and Patterson 1 year earlier. His stomach was flat, waist was small, he moved like a young man when he ripped Patterson apart.
Still not convinced? The issue of Sonny's age began when a reporter asked his mother. Sonny's mother told the reporter he was born in January 1932. Later another reporter asked her Sonny's age, she told him that Sonny was born in May of 1932. Either she told one reporter the wrong month, or one reporter made a mistake about what she told him. Either way, she told each of them that he was born in 1932. The discrepancy started out to be only a difference of a few months.
Because Sonny had no Birth certificate, little by little the story began to stretch. Sonny was a big man, he looked 30 when he was 18, that also added to the idea that he may be older. The fact is, in the 1930 census all of Sonny's siblings were listed except for Sonny. Sonny's name appeared in the 1940 census however. That verifies that he wasn't born before 1930, but after 1930. That limits the possibilities to 1931 or 1932. His mother told 2 separate reporters that he was born in 1932. Who are you going to believe, his mother or a thousand others speculating?
Sonny looked 40 when he fought Ali.
Getting your face lumped up usually does that.
SuperOmniaDominum He looked 40 plus
Well, he was 33. He was born in 1930. He's listed in the 1940 census as being 10 years old.
The census was reported to field workers gathering information. Was there consequences if she reported something different another time? I will look into it. It's worth the research. His birth certificate is false and that census can be too
BloodBoxing Returnz If Liston was born 1932, he would have a birth certificate, which begun 1932. We had many problems when some of our ancestors who died recently, but they were born before 1932. My family could not trust the Bible records either, because the Bible's published year was after 1932.
I don't doubt the possible age factor. Sonny nor his mother knew his exact birthyear. Sonny was one of the most naturally gifted fighters ever. He was definitely older than the age he gave himself and still ko'ing world class fighters. List on would have killed Marciano.
Could be true..1919/1928 somewhere in There.. body wise and features I was thinking the same thing when I watched old videos of the Ali fight with him.
That's what I'm saying. I don't want any research. But just look at him he has eye bags, Low textured skin, no harmony which definitely indicates a middle aged man
A taxi driver chauffering Liston about during a tour of England, asked him his age. Liston simply replied 'A little older than you might think....'
I know this video is one of your older ones, but somehow it got past me and I truly enjoyed it as I do all of your work my friend. As for the claim, I don't think he was 44 when he fought Ali.
However, without a doubt he was possibly 2-4 years older than his stated age, but in no way do I think he was born 13 years older than his reported age.
Liston was a bad man, but one has to consider that some people are still trying to erase, tarnish and lessen the credentials of the THE GREATEST because of his stance on political issues, his outspoken nature and because he was hated by the racists then and now!
I love Ali and to me nothing would or could ever lessen his accomplishments, both in and out of the ring...he is and always will be THE GREATEST TO STEP IN THE RING!!!! Great video as usual Blood. Peace my friend.
Liston was fat as a hog for the first Ali fake. They announced his weight as 218. It was more like 230, with Liston having rolls of fat at the back of his neck and on the sides of his lower back. Liston's best weight was 212.
Like I always tell you blood your a great boxing researcher me and you are around the same age and all the oldschool guys used to tell me liston was no joke it will always be a mystery about his life but one thing is for sure he was nothing to fuck with lol good video brother keep it coming
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Rocky Merciano was lucky enough because he never faced Sonny Liston.
Before Clay, liston one Ali was saying that Sonny was 45 I think your right about him being 44 .
I personally believe he was 41 when he fought clay.
@Tom Cass he wasn't 32. He was at least 37
For the record, I have evidence to back up all of the assertions I made about Sonny Liston in my biography of him, including what happened in both Ali fights, his death, and his age. That he fought in 1934 is no secret - even the Encyclopedia Brittanica acknowledges it. If anyone wants to contest or question my findings and research, he should read one of my books first. All the best.
I believe what you say. Thanks for the research.
I think you are very close to what is the truth. 🍻
Liston would also go 15 - 1 after Ali with 12 KO/TKO. A lot of people forget that
Exactly the guy wasn’t fighting into his 50’s
@@bobbyhulll8737 If Sonny's 2nd Ali fight was@38, he fought last@43.
plus 2 RTD, only 1 UD.
@@lazur1 yes that would be correct ..not 44 like the title suggests
Sonny L. Will be remembered as bigone of the great heavyweight boxers and champions of all time.......was greatly underrated....and deserved more respect and acknowledgement from the sports writers.....he should knocked Muhammad Ali cold in that first fight....Rest in Peace Sonny.....Thanks for the great memories....Amen.
"he should knocked Muhammad Ali cold in that first fight" STYLES MAKE FIGHTS!
@@WZ912 And training.
For me Sonny Liston is the 3rd greatest heavyweight of all time. Only behind Ali and Lennox Lewis, who is ahead of him because of hieght and weight.the late great Emanuel Stewart once said, ALi was lucky that he did not fight the 1959 Sonny Liston. Also let us not forget, that before the first Ali fight, he had fought three straight fights at least which only went one round, and their was almost a year in between these matches. Also I remember reading, that when he fought Floyd Patterson, he was 28. I thought, this guy looks a lot older than 28.
I saw the second fight and Liston took a dive. No doubt. He got after the count and started to fight again because the ref didn't know the count. Look at the film, he still had his legs they were not wobbly at all. Liston could knock you out with either hand! Great fighter.
The ref in that fight was Jersey Joe Walcott
I saw both fights also and no he didn't take a dive the only dive he took was Ali punching. You guys with all this conspiracy know nothing about boxing .I was a boxer also.
@@lorenzotalmidiymofyahusha8981 clear dive in the rematch...that right hand wouldn't have knocked you out
@@lorenzotalmidiymofyahusha8981 it's incredible people say that..it's very obvious it was a fake fight..
@@retroboxingdocumentaries4817 Even if Walcott maintained full control of the count, Liston was still going to take a dive. Sonny should've waited for Ali to throw combination punches at his face to make it look more legit. Ali's anchor punch couldn't kill a fly.
Both Liston's birth date and death are unknown. What a unique distinction.
I heard from impeccable source that liston was 55 when he fought Ali
For a "middle-aged guy who who hadn't trained a lick", Sonny looked great!
For what it's worth or not worth,i can believe that he was older than we can imagine that just adds to his greatness it's like digging up lost treasure that belonged to someone who was already a somebody anyway you know,.this man landed a left,right finished with a hook on a extremely young Patterson to win the championship.that wisdom in boxing to win a fight with that basic combo is like some George Foreman s#@$ and how old was he when he won the title again you know what I mean?
I agree and I feel the same way. The possibility that Liston was far older than anyone suspected only adds to his greatness IMO. Plus this is a guy who had absolutely nothing and came from nowhere, to become world champion. Quite an accomplishment. Sort of like Dempsey who was a hobo riding the rails and came from extreme poverty.
First there was Jack Dempsey & Joe Lewis, then there was Sonny Liston , then there was Joe Frasier, George Foreman, & Ernie Shavers, & then finally Tyson who was a hybrid of all of them put together & they're will never be another scary intimidating looking power punching boxer ever again💯 Todays fighters are nothing like those legendary guys because none of them fight or even try to use intimidation like the original power punch legends did💯 That era is over!!!!!!