@@francobarbagallo8915 actually, it was not that common even in 2010 to jump many quads. Nowadays with new score system Plushenko could win, I guess, because only last 3 jumps would get higher base value. Evan won because he had 5 jumps in second part of the program and Evgeny did only 3.
This still gives me goosebumps. He's such a lovely skater and this program was amazing. I miss skaters skating to classical music now. Scheherazade fit him so perfectly. And I was so happy for Frank Carroll.
@@primalcritters I saw that too. Still love Evan’s. I think Nathan Chen and Jason Brown this year did outstanding and have some of the best programs I’ve seen.
@Jennifer Peterson Carney interesting. You must have a different style. I respect your choices obviously but I don't think anyone has surpassed Alexei yagudin's masterpieces. Evgeni plushenko also have some great performances
His 2006 long program was inspirational. He’d done so poorly in the short program due to illness, had no chance of meddling and gave a passionate, dedicated performance.
I've never watched a skater and had chills from start-to-finish. This has got to be one of the most emotionally intensive performances I've ever seen. Plushenko is an incredible performer as well, but Lysacek's artistic impression truly was out-of-this-world, and his athleticism was nothing to scoff at either. His jumps were flawless, but his footwork was earth-moving. Skating should be more than just nailing a quad.
Спустя 11 лет до сих пор не могу понять, как? Как с таким невыразительным катанием, с помарками, с каскадами с двойными и без четверных он смог выиграть у Плющенко?
А так,что чинуши наши не умеют отстаивать наших спортсменов. С ними часто несправедливо поступают А Женя великий,его имя помнят все, а этого пидерунгела даже и имя забыто уже
i dont speak russian or whatever that is but, plushenko did one quad triple and the rest were triple doubles with wonky axis and wonky landings, those effected his GOE and he lost barely by one point.
Эвану в короткой хорошо насыпали ГОЕ, хотя в ту пору ими не разбрасывались от слова совсем. Ещё один момент - в произвольной у него было 5 прыжковых во второй части программы (тогда их можно было делать сколько угодно - это после Загитовой в 18 только убрали), это всё идёт с надбавками. Несмотря на ошибки в двух из них, за счёт надбавок каких-то потерь и не было по сути. Плющенко во второй части прыгнул только 3 прыжка, из них один каскад. И да, двойные были и у Жени тоже. Ну, и в те времена всё ещё было нежелательно ошибаться, а Женя сделал это на 3А - потерял около балла, это в его случае существенно. Пожалуй, самый непопулярный Олимпийский чемпион этого века. У женщин такая судьба у Сотниковой. Всё-таки когда судьи несправедливо натягивают на золото, это сказывается на отношении публики.
Cause that day, he was better than Plushenko. Just because you are Russian, you need to wake up to reality. And I am a Plushenko fan. Everything this guy did was well done, he was artistical and he totally deserved it! Plushenko's performance lacked artistical elements and his jumps were not great.
It's not difficult to understand how Lysacek won. 1. Lysace's programs were more technically difficult than Plushenko's, even without the quad. Lysacek was the first skater smart enough to backload his programs and bank up the extra 10% on a lot of elements. Now, everyone is doing it! Traditionally, Plushenko put all his heavy tech elements up front and just coasted through the last 1.5-2 minutes of his program. Because Lysack's base value was higher in both programs, and he skated flawlessly with zero deductions, he beat Plushenko on the technical mark, even without the quad. They were essentially tied on PCS with Plushenko only having a 0.1 advantage there. So, no one can say Lysacek's victory was a subjective one or that Plushenko was "robbed". He wasn't. Mandatory base points and the extra 10% add up, and they did just that for Lysacek. 2. Eight years ago, the guys who were able (and there weren't many) were mostly doing one quad in each program. In those days, it wasn't difficult for a challenger who skated flawlessly with zero deductions and no quads to defeat a defending champion who landed a couple quads but with other mistakes. At that time, the quad toe Plushenko was doing was only worth 10.3 points, while a triple-axle, triple-toe was worth 12.8 points, and Lysacek had a 3A+3T and a 3L+3T in his LP. He also got higher levels on his footwork and other elements. 3. Plushenko was seriously out of shape. It must be remembered that after winning gold in Torino, Plushenko went into semi-retirement. Between 2006 and 2010, he didn't skate in a single competition. In fact, the ONLY competition he skated in prior to the 2010 games was Russian Nationals. Now, I don't care how talented someone is--if you don't use it, you're going to lose it. How could Plushenko think he could come back after four years of not skating competitively and walk right into the Olympic games?! His lack of conditioning showed. His jumps were very crooked in the air with wild landings and a wide swinging leg on one. A couple of times, only his muscle memory kept him from falling. To all those who don't know how to add up base points and understand why Lysacek won, I say, "Go back and compare Plushenko's LP's from Torino and Vancouver. His performance and conditioning is markedly decreased in 2010." Even so, the judges did NOT hit Plushenko with the -GOEs he deserved, while at the same time, they showed Lysacek almost no +GOE love that he should have earned. In the end, Lysacek won that gold all by himself with no help from the judges either in +GOEs or PCS. He won it basically on base points alone, and he totally deserved it. 4. Plushenko knew he hadn't done enough to win. I always tell people who bitch about Lysacek's win to watch Plushenko's Vancouver LP and pause the video after the camera gets a close-up on him with his arms over his head during the applause. You can tell by the worried expression on his face he KNEW what he laid down wasn't enough to win, even with the quad...and yet, he somehow still expected it. Such an entitled narcissist. 5. Lysacek's gold also is NOT the first time a skater with no quad defeated a defending champion who landed one in each program. Two years BEFORE Vancouver at Worlds 2008, Canada's Jeffrey Buttle defeated France's Brian Joubert, who landed two quads but with other errors, while Buttle with no quads had two incredible skates. Watch it. Buttle is amazing and deserved his gold, too. Yet somehow, certain people lost their minds when Lysacek won gold in Vancouver. The bottom line is that Plushenko seriously underestimated the competition and overestimated his capability after four years off going into the 2010 games. He thought he could sail right in there and walk away with the gold like 2006. He expected his reputation and not his actual performance to do the heavy lifting for him, but he wasn't counting on a better and smarter skater with a strategically planned program skated flawlessly defeating him that night. His ego got the best of him. Even in Sochi four years later, the top guys were still only doing one quad in the SP and just two quads in the LP. That's it. Men's skating didn't become quad heavy until Nathan Chen hit the scene in 2016-17 and forced all the guys to try and keep up with him. Now, you simply can't win without two quads in the SP and at least 4-5 in the LP...but back in 2010, it was a VERY different story.
I however, disagree that this was artistic. It was a boring program and he didnt connect with the music. I would have given Plushenko much higher performance, but I think who got screwed most was Takahashi. Someone like Takahashi should have been first in the SP and with a much much stronger PCS. Looking at Takahashi sp and FS vs lysachek, Takahashi had so much stronger choreography and you can actually enjoy the performance and spins. I believe Weir's performance PCS marked was underscored. Also, Lysachek's 3A-2T was not flawless. I believe if the comp was judged fairly, daisuke would have had a lead in the sp, not felt like he needed a quad, and then would do a lp without one. But even with the fall, Daisuke's PCS should have been so much higher in the lp. Also, it only had two more jumps in the 2nd half than Plushenko.
Just one thing...it was Jin Boyang who started the quad revolution in 2015! Nathan was in Juniors. Jin Boyang put 2 quads in the SP in Cup of China 2015
Then you have the strange thing of judges thinking EP's short programme ranked him something like 20th. His SP carried that... oddity. Oh, the computer, the computer... but what judge on earth ranked his SP as being that sub par? There were three of them. What is that? Who were they? What had they been smoking? So, no, not all cold, hard, facts... and this isn't skiing. There are never any cold, hard facts in figure skating. But they wanted it that way... and now that's what they have. And its zzzzzzzzz. And that leaden footwork... like a Giraffe with clogs on.
I don’t think quads should define a performance... the man CAN do quads but he had to mind a past injury and had to play his cards right. And it meant he gave more time for artistry which I think is sorely underrated and kinda missing now... skating is as much art as it is sports. I always appreciated that balance in Evan’s performances.
As much as I enjoy Plushenko's artistry, I don't agree with him that just because he has a quad that he should be miles ahead of other skaters. A quad toe is valued 9.50 compared to a triple axel's 8.00, a quad salchow is 9.70. Considering how Evan put his 2nd triple axel in the 2nd half of the program, the 1.50 margin reduces to 0.70
He didn't even deserve to be on the podium. News flash, flailing your arms around like you're trying to take flight is not choreography, mental note to yourself. In addition, EP jumps were completely off center, the landings, we're not clean, and his music was not what the judges prefer.
@@tatianamokienko это правда. Лично мне понравились его программа и выступление ещё тогда. Я смотрю соревнования и болею вне зависимости от страны. Даже скажу, что когда наши не участвуют, любой турнир смотреть интереснее, в том числе потому, что комментаторы и журналисты в этих случаях бывают гораздо объективнее. Особенно это актуально для футбола (ненавижу, когда наши деревья попадают в финальные стадии турниров, слава богу, это случается редко)). Кстати, у Плюща, на мой вкус, всегда были оч посредственные программы, в т.ч. унылая музыка и безвкусные костюмы. В отличие, например, от Ягудина. Но это так, к слову.
Lin Train я сама не смотрю с нашими комментаторами, но в данном случае это ничего не меняет как бы даже не относиться к Плющу. Лайсачеку до него как до звезды
I was just thinking that you don’t see nearly as many shorter men’s skaters than you used to - good examples being Scott Hamilton and Paul Wylie. I wonder if that is because the quad has become almost a necessity to win, and it might be more difficult for a shorter individual to get the height needed to complete 4 rotations? I’m just guessing on that, but perhaps someone on here more involved in skating could opine as to whether that is true.
@@jenniferbobic8005 Yes, you are very much correct. In general: the shorter you are, the lighter you are, the less power you need to get up in the air-and the less weight you put on your leg while landing. so it is much more difficult for a tall skater such as Lysacek to do triples and quads, because he needs to lift additional pounds of his height someone like Hanyu or Chen don't have. when landing a quad, they land it with 7x their body mass, this makes tall skaters more prone to get injured, simply because they are heavier. also, they have a higher center of gravity which makes it basically easier to get off the axis and fall, and lose control over spins. and at the very end, controlling long arms and legs can be troublesome too.
Man, I remember watching his performances that year and being absolutely mesmerized 😃 he’s my favorite skater, it’s a shame he had to stop skating shortly after. I had been looking forward to seeing him the next winter Olympic at I think Sochi? Anyway it’s a beautiful program :)
I doubt very much that he would have even made the final group in Sochi. Gotta consider Hanyu and Chan were the big dogs at the time. There is absolutely no way that you can medal any longer without at least one quad in the short and two or more in the long. Evan couldn't even do a quad. His artistic is lacking as well. He would just flail those long skinny arms around in the air and call it good. For me, that isn't artistic interpretation. He had one great season. Other than that, he's pretty much a forgotten champion.
@@triciajohansen3027 I don't have a super bowl ring either, but it doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to have an opinion about football. He got lucky that he peaked at just the right moment and at a time when the competition had weakened temporarily. That was my point in a nutshell. He's a very nice person though.
@@jm7804 truce, obviously the judges saw something in Evan that Plushenko didn't have. Plushenko had a gold medal from 2006, it is just nice to see a new face win. You are right, you have the right to an opinion of your own. My apologies.
He was good but he doesn't have the same expression as Evgeni plushenko. I'll admit, the mistakes on the jumps that Plushenko made in 2010 did cost him the gold, but his performance in it of itself deserves the gold. Plushenko and Alexei yagudin in particular is the best male skater That Ever Walked the Earth hands down. If you haven't seen his other work look it up. For Americans, Johnny Weir is probably the best competition for plushenko. Weir is extremely talented and expressive as well and was trained by Russian coaches. I would point you to Alexei yagudin 2002 Olympics short and long program. Perfection masterful everything never been surpassed
@@runner8632 ну и где этот ваш Эван сейчас? Сравнивать его с Плющенко бесполезно, Эван и половины не смог достичь, чего достиг Плющенко, ваш Эван в жизни бы не смог сделать такую дорожку шагов как у Евгения Плющенко, у Плющенко прекрасная хореография
Camelia P He’s 6’2”. So with the blades like 6’3”. Most male figure skaters top out at like 5’10” in the singles discipline. So yeah, he is abnormally tall.
This was the much more complete program on this night. Transitions everywhere, great choreography, cleaner jumps, musicality... Why it's even up for debate is beyond me.
It might not have had a quad - but he still deserved to win under this system and it is not fair to criticize him for not having any. This scoring system was a game-changer for the sport - it introduced a strategy element that did not really exist prior. He and his coach clearly decided that the quad was not worth the risk and it had been detrimental to his health to keep attempting it. Plushenko is a great skater, one of the best ever - but he did not deserve to beat this program with his performance.
I remember watching it then and thinking he has a nice program but looks kind of slow now and his jumps are really not that powerful. Maybe Plushenko did have a point
Men’s figure skating kind of regressed here since Alexei Yagudin has been doing quads in the 90s and his footwork is still the gold standard in programs like “Winter” and “Racing”
It’s interesting that you should say that - I just rewatched the men’s free skate for the first time since the Olympics, and a few things struck me: Evan had much better speed than Plushenko, and there was more tension and drama in his performance than Plushenko demonstrated. I also thought Evan’s skating was more precise and detailed - for instance, his spins were difficult and he stayed in one place while spinning, which is difficult to do. I found Plushenko’s skating a bit sloppy, particularly when he wasn’t jumping. I certainly cannot say that Evgeny stayed too long at the party - he got the silver medal here, after all - but I think the 12 surgeries were definitely catching up with him, leading him to drop out of the 2016 games. Certainly Evgeny is a legendary skater and deserving of the accolades he has gotten, but I think the right skater won this contest.
I criticized this for years as not as good as pleshenko, but the jumps might not be as good but the in-between skating makes pleshenko look like a toddler, so yeah, the right guy won under the current rules.
Curious how a skating performance can be this frantic yet still be so slow, glideless and leaden. And flailing one's over-choreographed arms about,to me, is not "artistry..or SKATING for that matter.. And before anyone accuses me of fangirl "sour grapes"....I hated Plushenko too.
Cement shoes, definitely. Horrible routine... athletic, determined skater but... well, is that what an Olympic gold is about? To have come from the Plush/Yagudin revolution... and then reward this overwrought flail-fest... I guess its not different from snowboarding.
The only problem I have with Lycacek is that both his triple axels were cheated on the entrance (his left foot was already backwards before it left the ice). Had the judges been fair, he should have been severely penalised for them.
Had the judges been fair Plushenko would have been down 15 points on components due to his sub-novice level choreography and lack of transitions but all you butt hurt Plushenko fans always overlook that part. Crossovers are NOT transitions.
When a skater performs an axel jump, certain amount of pre-rotation (about half rotation) is inevitable. His pre-rotation is acceptable, considering that Olympics games are less strict with skaters compared to other competitions. Even in ladies single, Asada Mao also got her 2 triple axels accepted in FS, though some commentators pinpointed that she lacked rotations and made slight two-foot landings. Including Evan and Plushenko, every players got more points than usual in Vancouver 2010! Evan did not have quads, but his technical points are already ahead of Plushenko. He backloaded his jumps and he had combination of 3 - 3. Except for one jump, his landings were soft and clean compared to Plushenko's hard landings. Good landing is the major element for GOE. Evan performed jumps between plentiful amount of transitions. Also he earned as high level as he could in spins and step sequences. Figure skating is not a jump competition. A difference of single quad jump can always be complemented by other elements.
@@user-vu5nt5pz4v Amen. Evan had one wonky landing compared to Plushenko's most landings other than 3. A quad toe is valued at 9.50, and 8.00 for a triple axel, so the margin really isn't as big as people may think it is. Considering how Evan put his 2nd triple axel is the 10% bonus region, the margin now reduces from 1.50 to 0.70 (9.50 v 8.80x). Even if Plushenko did a quad salchow, it is still only valued 0.20 more than the quad toe, so in order for him to be "at least 5 points ahead of everyone after the short" like he said he should've been, he would've needed to do a least a quad loop
@@damianlee5438 SMH You don't need to be a "Plushenko fan" to advocate for fairer judging. I actually wanted Lysacek to win that night primarily because of his connection to Frank Carroll. I personally couldn't care less about Plushenko. Let judges do their job correctly.
Frank Caroll sensed how very nervous he was. Right after Sandra Bezic says, he hasnt been bending his knees, his shoulders are up (also nerves) Evan skates over to the boards and tries to tie his laces again, a sure sign of nerves, he tells him twice "Dont tie your laces." Very aggressively. He set him straight and sent him to skate. He was ready.
@djkaye youtube ,sorry ,but just for U- From this time distance ,Lysachek's skating looks like a slow drawing on ice. Plushenko will stay remembered with his epic unforgettable performances like "Nijinsky" ;"Once upon a time.." ;Godfather";Roxanne tango" "Tango amore" ....are ,no doubt !
Looking back, he got 82 for Components, and this was a BEAUTIFUL program, skated AT the Olympics, when scores are generally higher. This week at Four Continents, Yuzu gets 94 Program Components, and Nathan Chen gets 88. LOL. Lysacek gets 82. The program component scores have just gotten out of control for the top men -- basically everyone gets 9-9.25 now average. So it's all about the technical.
XD Any of this boys today make better transitions and footwork than he did. Come'n it's not all about a great designer costume, histerical arms and winning faces... really overrated
이동찬 well Nathan does a 4lutz and 4flip. Nathan is starting out with a higher base value and any additions and subtractions start from there. Hanyu makes up for it with the intricate in between, but Nathan is starting at a higher number.
Maybe the judges got lost in the theatrics-I know I did. I wanted him to win gold back in 2010. He reminded me of Alexei Yagudin...but watching this again it’s not as powerful as I remembered it to be.
This is the first time I've watched it since 2010... its even worse than I remembered. And yeah... the momentum of an American gold etc etc… sledgehammer. Hideous footwork, bobbing head, inelegant, no subtlety, no mix of rhythm... God, what a ghastly gold medallist. History will not be kind.
@@GuerillaCatty73 But you know what? Plushenko's program wasn't any better. I'm not a big fan of either of them, and honestly both programs were highly disappointing for Olympic medalists
Yo era fans, fans de Plushenko y me sigue gustando. Pero un día allá por 2017 dije voy ha ver a este niño que ganó en Sochi ( no sé porque me resistía a ello y siempre lo pasaba por alto ) y bueno lo vi y desde entonces cambio todo , para mí ,. Lo dijo Plushenko hay un antes y un después se Yusuru. Este chico que ganó en Vancouver no lo volvía a ver no sé que le pasó. Además la vigencia del japonés !!!! ( casi 10 años !!!!) Increíble. También me enamora la versión del hombre de la máscara de hierro por el ruso ( no sé escribir bien el apellido ).
A mí siempre me gustaron los rusos. Plushenko muy innovador, pero Yagudin le dió la lucha, no se la puso fácil. Y Yagudin en la temporada olímpica de SLC tuvo los mejores programas de su vida deportiva, con su programa corto me quedé enganchada con él!! (Winter) Jajaja.. hasta hoy lo disfruto, para mí es insuperable!! Y aquí en Vancouver definitivamente debió ganar Evan L. Su programa largo aún sin cuádruple fue el mejor! Bien hecho su coreo con componentes bien repartidos y la postura de sus saltos son excelentes en el aire, Plushenko se preparó aquí solo un año antes, por eso sus errores (muy confiado). Moraleja: Nunca se debe subestimar al competidor 😉
This was an incredible moment for me. I wasn't too impressed with some of the skaters early in the Olympics, but a few managed to pique my interest. To me, Evan was a champ. I'm happy he won, he deserved it. I'm sure others believe differently, but we don't need any negativity. Evan, wonderful job!
Да, он откатался хорошо, но это не первое место. Технически набор элементов не сложный совсем, артистизм тоже не на высшую ступень пьедестала. Жаль, что судьи были не объективны совсем. А руками махать и радоваться после проката-это каждый сможет. Главное видимость создать, что все получилось, а получилось далеко не все.
На той Олимпиаде все делали ошибки в произвольной. Как ни странно, но чище всего был Плющенко, ещё и с квадом (+квад в КП). Эвана очевидно натянули на золото. Так же очевидно, как 4 года спустя лишили потом победы Ким в пользу Сотниковой. Надеюсь, что когда-нибудь фигурное катание будут судить по-настоящему объективно, насколько это возможно в этом виде спорта.
He really was if you know his coach he made his skaters run through their entire program every practice. He’s one of the reasons Michelle Kwan was so consistent.
ESPN Olympic Channel has been re running all of the Olympic Ice Skating from 2002 thru 2014...watching the 2010 men's skating again, Evan still wins it...he knew where to put his points, and he delivered...no question at all...watch Plushenko"s arms flailing after the jumps...that is where he lost..all jumps..
He is average Weir looked much better.nothing to say about Evan. empty very average.never watched anything else of his skating and not regretting it. sure would not miss anything
Ποιος θυμαται πια αυτον τον αθλητη;Αν οι αγωνες δεν ειχαν γινει στην πατριδα του δεν θα κερδιζε ουτε το χαλκινο μεταλλιο.Ο Πλουσενκο επρεπε να κερδισει.Ολοι το ξερουμε αυτο
sirmione905 1 quad is not worth more than a triple-triple. Plushenko frontloaded his program while Evan backloaded his (10% bonus). Evan's program had higher base values than plushenko's. So evan won.Simple maths.
Actually in 2010 a lot less male skaters attempted quads than in 2006. The way the scoring works its not always in the skater's best interest to do a quad. Now in 2018 you can't win without one but in 2010 you could - and here you see it. Also, the quad is not the be-all end-all of figure skating. Besides certain people like Yuzuru Hanyu, who is some sort of machine from another planet, they're often extremely difficult to control and therefore look sort of ugly. I think this skate had amazing artistry, amazing footwork, extension and the jumps were all extremely well executed (except one where he was a little forward on the landing, but still it was a solid enough landing). The most impressive jump to watch, to me, is a triple axel. He had them here in spades.
The scoring system was different in 2010 where quads were not given as many points, making it possible to win without a quad if the GEOs were good and PCS scores. Plushenko had worse GEOs. I did have an issue with Lysachek's PCS as i find his program boring compared to others and question if this performance warrented some of the PCS scores he received.
This gold medal is somewhat not that convincing especially technically. 2000's is quar ero but he has no quar. It is a backwood gold medal. 8 years ago, in 2002 the quar is already performanced by both gold and silver madelist. This is really a backwards performance.
If you slow the programme down around 3.36 you can see he turns (skids) a full half turn before leaving the ice on the second triple axel. He's therefore basically doing a triple salchow.
This is the only indication that you dont need to do squad and push your self to get the gold. I was inspired by this. For all the time i was thinking that you need to have a quad you to win gold. I was wrong
i don't look forward to re-watching this Olympic gold medal skate compared to past champions. Neither Evan nor Plushenko skated to gold imo. Evan's axel has the most skid i've ever seen. It looks like his left skate turns 1/2 rotation and then he leaves the ice.
Totally agree. neither should have won. Plushenko can jump but not skate, while Evan can skate but not jump. Evan probably won because Plushy didn't do what he does best: jump well
. Even with errors, Plushenko's artistry shines and it's riveting.. And I wish Lycasek, so clearly talented, had that same spark. For whatever reason, it wasn't mesmerizing.
What is harder technically, a quad toe or triple axel (i know which one has more points, but I can see a triple axel being harder to learn than a quad toe)?
Only the skaters can answer 😂 But really tho, 2021 and it’s still a fact that many aren’t consistent with their 3 axel~ and yet they’d rather focus on learning quads first than perfecting the 3A. Poor 3a 😂
As a previous skater I would imagine that a triple axel is harder. A triple axel is three and half rotations. It's hard to control that half turn, and axels require a lot of power and strength.
Мне не нравится прилизанный стручок Лаисечек, но Плющенко точно проиграл. Сидел бы себе дома, дал бы дорогу молодежи, приперся старый, тяжелыи, тяжело было на него смотреть.
Позор судейству, ну, видно же всем, Что Плющенко лучше, выше на пару голов, но нет, они его засуживают, и даже по его лицу видно, что он наперед знал, что засудят....
@@Roosslani I played this in my orchestra about 10 years ago. I played with the Temple Symphony in Temple, Texas. I was principal oboist for 20 years there. Rimsky-Korsakov is my all-time favorite composer and it was a dream come true when our conductor announced that we would be playing it. The woodwind parts are amazing.
I remembered this program as being like a lead weight. It still is. The 2000s of US men's skating were a polarizing era of either feminine disco glam (Johnny Weir, Rohene Ward) or closet-case bores (Tim Goebel, Evan Lysacek, Matt Lavoie) who looked like they never had fun in their entire lives. I never noticed the cheated axel entrances (seriously?) or how much he flailed his arms. That... that isn't choreography, but it sure looked like it in 2010. The only reason why he won this medal is because the judges knew Plushenko would have had an ego the size of Mother Russia and likely would have tried to run the ISU if he were allowed to repeat as Olympic champ (remember him announcing his "Platinum" silver medal?).
I'm with ya! I watched it at the time... you can see this ugly, milked, busy type of routine set the tone for what is happening today. Boring, athletic skater - how to compete against the talented? This is the result. He looks a dork, even more so seeing it again than at the time. Just a bloke who found himself in a lot of lycra on a rink... the faux artistry is the most offensive thing about it. Where men's skating now is, this type of routine, they need to ditch the costumes, the "storyline" and just make them go out and jump, lots, and not lose a second to add a flounce, flourish or pose with a trick added. Its mechanical... kudos to him, he did the work, etc, but the politics around that Olympics - so thick it travelled across oceans of time through the broadcast. You think it was to nullify Evgeni's greatness post retirement, eh? Wouldn't put it past them. (And toe pick on the first axel? Spray of ice should have been a hint to the judges...) I was outraged at the time, I've never watched a WO since, never will, sod them, and if they couldn't understand that these medals set up the legacy and future of your sport... but you can see the judges prefer this kind of skate. Its bringing it down to did/didn't land, did/didn't do X elements, easy peasy. Currently, that is what we are looking at. Who can land it, who can't... then that's the order of the results. Boring. So boring. I'd put it on pause to write this comment (attention wandering, thought I'd check out the comments - that tells you everything, doesn't it?) and just restarted it... God, that was one ugly routine, one boring skater, not a rounded angle in his entire body. Add "artistry", forget "artistry", add "artistry" and on it goes. Multiple personality disorder skating. And no, even in 2010 this wasn't choreography. The world was divided, saw it for the point milking snore fest it was... The commentators confirm everyone's feelings - technically sharp, delivered, blah blah… but not a patch on EP as a performer, as a skater, as an artist. They are resigned.
I mean it was better than plushenkos program both in technique and presentation, even though Evans axel sucks, everything else was 'fine'. And I use 'fine' because it wasn't a performance you would expect from a gold medalist, but it was a tad better than evgeni.
Hahaha your comment was hilarious. Skating back then was so much more artistic and full of raw talent than what it is today. aside from Hanyu and Nathan Chen, everyone pales in comparison to skaters like Evan, Michelle Kwan, Johnny weir, and Sasha Cohen. Evan’s artistic talent was what set him apart from Evgeni Plushenko - hence, why Evan took the gold. Idk what you were watching, but it wasn’t what everyone else was watching haha
Not sure what you watched, but it obviously you are legally blind or mentally challenged. EP's performance was not even worthy of 2nd place, he was a has been and should have stayed retired.
@@AMIR10345 прекрасно дотянул до золотой. Прекрасно откатал, хватит уже идти на поводу скулящего ЖП. Как показала практика, без квадов прекрасно можно выигрывать.
Evan didn't need a quad..by adding more jumps an spins in the last part of his program, he received more credits....they said his triple axle,double toe loop was worth 8.5, and Evegini's quad was worth 8.8...
Sammy Smith meanwhile in 2018, skaters are doing the quad lutz, and have their eyes set on the quad axel, while the ladies have taken over doing triples. We're talking about 8+ points here, but now it's 14+ with one jump. How far we've come...
People forget that as good as Plushenko was, he had a tendency to put his most difficult elements in the front of his programs. Both of his axel passes were in the first 2 mins of the program. Evegeni left a lot of points on the table by doing that.
Okay, but can we please appreciate the fact that in a sport dominated by short people, a man that was 6”2 managed to snag Olympic gold?
#respect
🙌 YES!
No quad
He she compete with the girls
@@francobarbagallo8915 even in the women even this year proves you don't need mutiple quads to be competitive
@@jenniepeach6764 you don't if there are no quad-jumpers in the competitions.
@@francobarbagallo8915 actually, it was not that common even in 2010 to jump many quads. Nowadays with new score system Plushenko could win, I guess, because only last 3 jumps would get higher base value. Evan won because he had 5 jumps in second part of the program and Evgeny did only 3.
Can we also recognize American designer Vera Wang for creating an absolute kick ass free skate costume?!
No. The snake is creepy.
Evan was amazing. 6'2". Hard worker. Ppl doubted him. He won.
This still gives me goosebumps. He's such a lovely skater and this program was amazing. I miss skaters skating to classical music now. Scheherazade fit him so perfectly. And I was so happy for Frank Carroll.
If you think this is good you should look up Alexei yagudin 2002 Olympics both the short and free skate. Masterpieces never been surpassed
@@primalcritters I saw that too. Still love Evan’s. I think Nathan Chen and Jason Brown this year did outstanding and have some of the best programs I’ve seen.
@Jennifer Peterson Carney interesting. You must have a different style. I respect your choices obviously but I don't think anyone has surpassed Alexei yagudin's masterpieces. Evgeni plushenko also have some great performances
No se, a éstas alturas para mi el mejor sigue siendo Evgeny Plushenko.
His 2006 long program was inspirational. He’d done so poorly in the short program due to illness, had no chance of meddling and gave a passionate, dedicated performance.
No one ever brings him up when talking about the best male skaters. He was awesome
He was so consistent that entire year.
Because he is not a man skater
No quad
@@francobarbagallo8915 Evan had 4T, but was injured at the time of Olympics and decided not to perform it
I think no one brings him up... because there's nothing particularly interesting about Evan's skating. He was fine.
I've never watched a skater and had chills from start-to-finish. This has got to be one of the most emotionally intensive performances I've ever seen. Plushenko is an incredible performer as well, but Lysacek's artistic impression truly was out-of-this-world, and his athleticism was nothing to scoff at either. His jumps were flawless, but his footwork was earth-moving. Skating should be more than just nailing a quad.
Спустя 11 лет до сих пор не могу понять, как? Как с таким невыразительным катанием, с помарками, с каскадами с двойными и без четверных он смог выиграть у Плющенко?
А так,что чинуши наши не умеют отстаивать наших спортсменов. С ними часто несправедливо поступают
А Женя великий,его имя помнят все, а этого пидерунгела даже и имя забыто уже
i dont speak russian or whatever that is but, plushenko did one quad triple and the rest were triple doubles with wonky axis and wonky landings, those effected his GOE and he lost barely by one point.
Эвану в короткой хорошо насыпали ГОЕ, хотя в ту пору ими не разбрасывались от слова совсем. Ещё один момент - в произвольной у него было 5 прыжковых во второй части программы (тогда их можно было делать сколько угодно - это после Загитовой в 18 только убрали), это всё идёт с надбавками. Несмотря на ошибки в двух из них, за счёт надбавок каких-то потерь и не было по сути. Плющенко во второй части прыгнул только 3 прыжка, из них один каскад. И да, двойные были и у Жени тоже. Ну, и в те времена всё ещё было нежелательно ошибаться, а Женя сделал это на 3А - потерял около балла, это в его случае существенно.
Пожалуй, самый непопулярный Олимпийский чемпион этого века. У женщин такая судьба у Сотниковой. Всё-таки когда судьи несправедливо натягивают на золото, это сказывается на отношении публики.
Хорошо работал руками, как мельница
Cause that day, he was better than Plushenko. Just because you are Russian, you need to wake up to reality.
And I am a Plushenko fan.
Everything this guy did was well done, he was artistical and he totally deserved it! Plushenko's performance lacked artistical elements and his jumps were not great.
It's not difficult to understand how Lysacek won.
1. Lysace's programs were more technically difficult than Plushenko's, even without the quad. Lysacek was the first skater smart enough to backload his programs and bank up the extra 10% on a lot of elements. Now, everyone is doing it! Traditionally, Plushenko put all his heavy tech elements up front and just coasted through the last 1.5-2 minutes of his program. Because Lysack's base value was higher in both programs, and he skated flawlessly with zero deductions, he beat Plushenko on the technical mark, even without the quad. They were essentially tied on PCS with Plushenko only having a 0.1 advantage there. So, no one can say Lysacek's victory was a subjective one or that Plushenko was "robbed". He wasn't. Mandatory base points and the extra 10% add up, and they did just that for Lysacek.
2. Eight years ago, the guys who were able (and there weren't many) were mostly doing one quad in each program. In those days, it wasn't difficult for a challenger who skated flawlessly with zero deductions and no quads to defeat a defending champion who landed a couple quads but with other mistakes. At that time, the quad toe Plushenko was doing was only worth 10.3 points, while a triple-axle, triple-toe was worth 12.8 points, and Lysacek had a 3A+3T and a 3L+3T in his LP. He also got higher levels on his footwork and other elements.
3. Plushenko was seriously out of shape. It must be remembered that after winning gold in Torino, Plushenko went into semi-retirement. Between 2006 and 2010, he didn't skate in a single competition. In fact, the ONLY competition he skated in prior to the 2010 games was Russian Nationals. Now, I don't care how talented someone is--if you don't use it, you're going to lose it. How could Plushenko think he could come back after four years of not skating competitively and walk right into the Olympic games?! His lack of conditioning showed. His jumps were very crooked in the air with wild landings and a wide swinging leg on one. A couple of times, only his muscle memory kept him from falling. To all those who don't know how to add up base points and understand why Lysacek won, I say, "Go back and compare Plushenko's LP's from Torino and Vancouver. His performance and conditioning is markedly decreased in 2010." Even so, the judges did NOT hit Plushenko with the -GOEs he deserved, while at the same time, they showed Lysacek almost no +GOE love that he should have earned. In the end, Lysacek won that gold all by himself with no help from the judges either in +GOEs or PCS. He won it basically on base points alone, and he totally deserved it.
4. Plushenko knew he hadn't done enough to win. I always tell people who bitch about Lysacek's win to watch Plushenko's Vancouver LP and pause the video after the camera gets a close-up on him with his arms over his head during the applause. You can tell by the worried expression on his face he KNEW what he laid down wasn't enough to win, even with the quad...and yet, he somehow still expected it. Such an entitled narcissist.
5. Lysacek's gold also is NOT the first time a skater with no quad defeated a defending champion who landed one in each program. Two years BEFORE Vancouver at Worlds 2008, Canada's Jeffrey Buttle defeated France's Brian Joubert, who landed two quads but with other errors, while Buttle with no quads had two incredible skates. Watch it. Buttle is amazing and deserved his gold, too. Yet somehow, certain people lost their minds when Lysacek won gold in Vancouver. The bottom line is that Plushenko seriously underestimated the competition and overestimated his capability after four years off going into the 2010 games. He thought he could sail right in there and walk away with the gold like 2006. He expected his reputation and not his actual performance to do the heavy lifting for him, but he wasn't counting on a better and smarter skater with a strategically planned program skated flawlessly defeating him that night. His ego got the best of him.
Even in Sochi four years later, the top guys were still only doing one quad in the SP and just two quads in the LP. That's it. Men's skating didn't become quad heavy until Nathan Chen hit the scene in 2016-17 and forced all the guys to try and keep up with him. Now, you simply can't win without two quads in the SP and at least 4-5 in the LP...but back in 2010, it was a VERY different story.
I however, disagree that this was artistic. It was a boring program and he didnt connect with the music. I would have given Plushenko much higher performance, but I
think who got screwed most was Takahashi. Someone like Takahashi should have been first in the SP and with a much much stronger PCS. Looking at Takahashi sp and FS vs lysachek, Takahashi had so much stronger choreography and you can actually enjoy the performance and spins. I believe Weir's performance PCS marked was underscored. Also, Lysachek's 3A-2T was not flawless. I believe if the comp was judged fairly, daisuke would have had a lead in the sp, not felt like he needed a quad, and then would do a lp without one. But even with the fall, Daisuke's PCS should have been so much higher in the lp.
Also, it only had two more jumps in the 2nd half than Plushenko.
Just one thing...it was Jin Boyang who started the quad revolution in 2015! Nathan was in Juniors. Jin Boyang put 2 quads in the SP in Cup of China 2015
Evan has very good transitions into/out of his jumps.
lcowles ...thank you so much for this informaron. I was becoming sad of the negatives comments on the USA champion.
Then you have the strange thing of judges thinking EP's short programme ranked him something like 20th. His SP carried that... oddity. Oh, the computer, the computer... but what judge on earth ranked his SP as being that sub par? There were three of them. What is that? Who were they? What had they been smoking? So, no, not all cold, hard, facts... and this isn't skiing. There are never any cold, hard facts in figure skating. But they wanted it that way... and now that's what they have. And its zzzzzzzzz. And that leaden footwork... like a Giraffe with clogs on.
he came to my sch and gave a motivational speech!
I wish Johnny had been judged fairly... I wish Daisuke and Stephane hadn't fallen... The podium would have been different... Hmm...
I still think Takahashi got robbed, his components should be league's above Plush and Lysacek even with the fall.
@@ppnexus2000 but components with a mistake will not place you higher. The only one in the competition that wasn’t judged fairly was Johnny.
@Jose Hill Mistakes cap your PCS but Takahashi's were much lower than the cap he had.
JW was an also ran at best. Perhaps if he spent more time on the ice and less time in women's clothing stores he would have been a better skater.
@@mythoughts5550he did take the bronze medal at the GPF though so he wasn’t that much of an also ran as you call it.
Ντροπή στους κριτές Ο Πλουσενκο ήταν μία σχολή μόνος του Αδικία μεγάλη Αυτός χάθηκε ο Πλουσενκο έμεινε και μας έδινε πολύ ωραία προγράμματα
I get this was 10 years ago, but Kostornaia would've taken this men's event if her current self was there.
You are absolutely right!
ROFL! Damn right! The ladies' field nowadays is just crazy!
I love Kostornia's triple axel more than the mens!!!
She would handily beat Lysacek!
No she wouldn't. She may have two triple axels. But she doesn't match his artistry.
Scott Hamiltons enthusiasm is always infectious. Love him
I don’t think quads should define a performance... the man CAN do quads but he had to mind a past injury and had to play his cards right. And it meant he gave more time for artistry which I think is sorely underrated and kinda missing now... skating is as much art as it is sports. I always appreciated that balance in Evan’s performances.
As much as I enjoy Plushenko's artistry, I don't agree with him that just because he has a quad that he should be miles ahead of other skaters. A quad toe is valued 9.50 compared to a triple axel's 8.00, a quad salchow is 9.70. Considering how Evan put his 2nd triple axel in the 2nd half of the program, the 1.50 margin reduces to 0.70
Plushenko merecía ganar. Le robaron la medalla, su performance incomparable y único. Plushenko, el rey sin corona de éstos juegos olímpicos.
You are right!
He didn't even deserve to be on the podium. News flash, flailing your arms around like you're trying to take flight is not choreography, mental note to yourself. In addition, EP jumps were completely off center, the landings, we're not clean, and his music was not what the judges prefer.
That is one good lookin man.
Plushenko the best!
またあなたの滑りが見れてうれしい！😍
このオリンピックで好きになったんだよー！！！
I was so happy for his win. Amazing Skater.
Деревянный чемпион,не умеющий прыгать четверные.Позор!!!
Well I just love this long programme, never tire of watching it. Beautiful music, beautiful skate. You have been a joy to watch Evan. Thank you!
but not a winner
@@tatianamokienko he is.
Lin Train LOL
@@tatianamokienko это правда. Лично мне понравились его программа и выступление ещё тогда. Я смотрю соревнования и болею вне зависимости от страны. Даже скажу, что когда наши не участвуют, любой турнир смотреть интереснее, в том числе потому, что комментаторы и журналисты в этих случаях бывают гораздо объективнее. Особенно это актуально для футбола (ненавижу, когда наши деревья попадают в финальные стадии турниров, слава богу, это случается редко)).
Кстати, у Плюща, на мой вкус, всегда были оч посредственные программы, в т.ч. унылая музыка и безвкусные костюмы. В отличие, например, от Ягудина. Но это так, к слову.
Lin Train я сама не смотрю с нашими комментаторами, но в данном случае это ничего не меняет как бы даже не относиться к Плющу. Лайсачеку до него как до звезды
I like how Costa and Hamilton don’t talk their way through the program and let it breathe
TALL BEAUTIFUL ARTISTIC SKATER I REMEMBER THIS I WAS AT THE EDGE OF MY SEAT WHAT A ⛸ SKATER🥇🏆🇺🇸
He deserved the GOLD. Very Clean jumps n execution. Choreography was great!
Severely cheated triple axels though...
В СРАКУ ВСТРОМІТ СВОГО ЛЕЙСАЧЕКА,ЯКИЙ ВИСТУПИВ НА 5 МІСЦЕ,ОЦЕ ЙОГО ЗАСЛУЖЕНЕ.
Damn he’s so TALL
I was just thinking that you don’t see nearly as many shorter men’s skaters than you used to - good examples being Scott Hamilton and Paul Wylie. I wonder if that is because the quad has become almost a necessity to win, and it might be more difficult for a shorter individual to get the height needed to complete 4 rotations? I’m just guessing on that, but perhaps someone on here more involved in skating could opine as to whether that is true.
@@jenniferbobic8005 Yes, you are very much correct. In general: the shorter you are, the lighter you are, the less power you need to get up in the air-and the less weight you put on your leg while landing. so it is much more difficult for a tall skater such as Lysacek to do triples and quads, because he needs to lift additional pounds of his height someone like Hanyu or Chen don't have. when landing a quad, they land it with 7x their body mass, this makes tall skaters more prone to get injured, simply because they are heavier. also, they have a higher center of gravity which makes it basically easier to get off the axis and fall, and lose control over spins. and at the very end, controlling long arms and legs can be troublesome too.
Man, I remember watching his performances that year and being absolutely mesmerized 😃 he’s my favorite skater, it’s a shame he had to stop skating shortly after. I had been looking forward to seeing him the next winter Olympic at I think Sochi? Anyway it’s a beautiful program :)
I doubt very much that he would have even made the final group in Sochi. Gotta consider Hanyu and Chan were the big dogs at the time. There is absolutely no way that you can medal any longer without at least one quad in the short and two or more in the long. Evan couldn't even do a quad. His artistic is lacking as well. He would just flail those long skinny arms around in the air and call it good. For me, that isn't artistic interpretation. He had one great season. Other than that, he's pretty much a forgotten champion.
@@jm7804 where's your medal?
@@triciajohansen3027 I don't have a super bowl ring either, but it doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to have an opinion about football. He got lucky that he peaked at just the right moment and at a time when the competition had weakened temporarily. That was my point in a nutshell. He's a very nice person though.
@@jm7804 truce, obviously the judges saw something in Evan that Plushenko didn't have. Plushenko had a gold medal from 2006, it is just nice to see a new face win. You are right, you have the right to an opinion of your own. My apologies.
He was good but he doesn't have the same expression as Evgeni plushenko. I'll admit, the mistakes on the jumps that Plushenko made in 2010 did cost him the gold, but his performance in it of itself deserves the gold. Plushenko and Alexei yagudin in particular is the best male skater That Ever Walked the Earth hands down. If you haven't seen his other work look it up. For Americans, Johnny Weir is probably the best competition for plushenko. Weir is extremely talented and expressive as well and was trained by Russian coaches. I would point you to Alexei yagudin 2002 Olympics short and long program. Perfection masterful everything never been surpassed
Midori's Scheherazade in 1990 world is more dynamic and the height of her 3A is higher than him.
Wow. His height in itself makes a rare spectacle on ice.
Evgeny is the best
Lysacek was the best that day
@@eddiemurphy21Плющенко был лучшим всегда, а на той Олимпиаде золото должно было быть именно Плющенко
@@Тата24Not with that cheap choreo hip action and kiss blowing. Evan be like “I’m not doing that crap”.
@@runner8632 ну и где этот ваш Эван сейчас? Сравнивать его с Плющенко бесполезно, Эван и половины не смог достичь, чего достиг Плющенко, ваш Эван в жизни бы не смог сделать такую дорожку шагов как у Евгения Плющенко, у Плющенко прекрасная хореография
There's no Quad but this is one of the best men gold winner ever ( for me ) Powerful speed - Best Footworks - Good performance. Incredible.
...it seem as is was yesterday. I was vey happy he did so well.
Lindo de mais. Nunca esqueci
His legs look so long...
Amanda Stevens cause they are. He is abnormally tall for a figure skater.
@@jjh2456 : yes , "abnormally" tall for a figure ⛸ man. But the legs are not soooo long. Not forget the blades... adding some cm/inches.
Camelia P He’s 6’2”. So with the blades like 6’3”. Most male figure skaters top out at like 5’10” in the singles discipline. So yeah, he is abnormally tall.
Blades and boots add more like 4-5” ... there’s the blade and then the boot has a heel.
@@jjh2456 to be fair, he's tall in general, not only for a skater
This was the much more complete program on this night. Transitions everywhere, great choreography, cleaner jumps, musicality... Why it's even up for debate is beyond me.
It might not have had a quad - but he still deserved to win under this system and it is not fair to criticize him for not having any. This scoring system was a game-changer for the sport - it introduced a strategy element that did not really exist prior. He and his coach clearly decided that the quad was not worth the risk and it had been detrimental to his health to keep attempting it. Plushenko is a great skater, one of the best ever - but he did not deserve to beat this program with his performance.
Конечно, Плющенко превзошел этого фигуриста. Эван слабый. Плющенко явно засудили.
I remember watching it then and thinking he has a nice program but looks kind of slow now and his jumps are really not that powerful. Maybe Plushenko did have a point
Yes,it is so slow and his body is not plastic.And that landing also was shaking.He wasn't better than Plushenk at all.
Plushenko was boring.
@@SymphonyBrahms Maybe but Lysacek was not that great either. It's amazing how much men's (and women's) events have evolved in 10 years
Men’s figure skating kind of regressed here since Alexei Yagudin has been doing quads in the 90s and his footwork is still the gold standard in programs like “Winter” and “Racing”
It’s interesting that you should say that - I just rewatched the men’s free skate for the first time since the Olympics, and a few things struck me: Evan had much better speed than Plushenko, and there was more tension and drama in his performance than Plushenko demonstrated. I also thought Evan’s skating was more precise and detailed - for instance, his spins were difficult and he stayed in one place while spinning, which is difficult to do. I found Plushenko’s skating a bit sloppy, particularly when he wasn’t jumping. I certainly cannot say that Evgeny stayed too long at the party - he got the silver medal here, after all - but I think the 12 surgeries were definitely catching up with him, leading him to drop out of the 2016 games. Certainly Evgeny is a legendary skater and deserving of the accolades he has gotten, but I think the right skater won this contest.
I criticized this for years as not as good as pleshenko, but the jumps might not be as good but the in-between skating makes pleshenko look like a toddler, so yeah, the right guy won under the current rules.
Glad to see you come around.
Loved Evan then, and I love him today. Great and rightful win
Best skater ever !
Curious how a skating performance can be this frantic yet still be so slow, glideless and leaden.
And flailing one's over-choreographed arms about,to me, is not "artistry..or SKATING for that matter..
And before anyone accuses me of fangirl "sour grapes"....I hated Plushenko too.
This.
Cement shoes, definitely. Horrible routine... athletic, determined skater but... well, is that what an Olympic gold is about? To have come from the Plush/Yagudin revolution... and then reward this overwrought flail-fest... I guess its not different from snowboarding.
hilarious. Yes, they were both terrible in their own ways
The only problem I have with Lycacek is that both his triple axels were cheated on the entrance (his left foot was already backwards before it left the ice). Had the judges been fair, he should have been severely penalised for them.
Had the judges been fair Plushenko would have been down 15 points on components due to his sub-novice level choreography and lack of transitions but all you butt hurt Plushenko fans always overlook that part.
Crossovers are NOT transitions.
@@damianlee5438 that part!
When a skater performs an axel jump, certain amount of pre-rotation (about half rotation) is inevitable. His pre-rotation is acceptable, considering that Olympics games are less strict with skaters compared to other competitions.
Even in ladies single, Asada Mao also got her 2 triple axels accepted in FS, though some commentators pinpointed that she lacked rotations and made slight two-foot landings. Including Evan and Plushenko, every players got more points than usual in Vancouver 2010!
Evan did not have quads, but his technical points are already ahead of Plushenko. He backloaded his jumps and he had combination of 3 - 3. Except for one jump, his landings were soft and clean compared to Plushenko's hard landings. Good landing is the major element for GOE. Evan performed jumps between plentiful amount of transitions. Also he earned as high level as he could in spins and step sequences.
Figure skating is not a jump competition. A difference of single quad jump can always be complemented by other elements.
@@user-vu5nt5pz4v Amen. Evan had one wonky landing compared to Plushenko's most landings other than 3. A quad toe is valued at 9.50, and 8.00 for a triple axel, so the margin really isn't as big as people may think it is. Considering how Evan put his 2nd triple axel is the 10% bonus region, the margin now reduces from 1.50 to 0.70 (9.50 v 8.80x). Even if Plushenko did a quad salchow, it is still only valued 0.20 more than the quad toe, so in order for him to be "at least 5 points ahead of everyone after the short" like he said he should've been, he would've needed to do a least a quad loop
@@damianlee5438 SMH You don't need to be a "Plushenko fan" to advocate for fairer judging. I actually wanted Lysacek to win that night primarily because of his connection to Frank Carroll. I personally couldn't care less about Plushenko. Let judges do their job correctly.
Olimpic champion with 2 axel, that looks like Nokia 3310 from 2018:)
Yeah, it's weird he won. Did the Russians not bribe the judges this year?
@@2345678902345671 apparently americans did
@@margaritan2968 doping only goes so far, eh?
@@2345678902345671like Armstrong for example? :D
@@dragontheknight272 all those dudes were roided up. You're just mad our roided up guy beat your roided up guy.
Не впечатлило... И это олимпийский чемпион ?
Не артистизма ни пластики.Окунул в 60 годы.
До плющенко как до неба
the best preformance of vancover 2010 came from yuna kim
This doesn't hold a candle to Queen Yuna!
Also from Johnny Weir
@@bloodstreamwwtlfv he did too many mistakes. His edges on both Flips were just wrong.
@@maria_nov ugh I don’t think so.
@@bloodstreamwwtlfv check out the protocols, they are available online
Frank Caroll sensed how very nervous he was. Right after Sandra Bezic says, he hasnt been bending his knees, his shoulders are up (also nerves) Evan skates over to the boards and tries to tie his laces again, a sure sign of nerves, he tells him twice "Dont tie your laces." Very aggressively. He set him straight and sent him to skate. He was ready.
Evgeniy is one and only!
It's almost 2018 and I still absolutely cry seeing this. I was lucky when I got to see it live... That was being there for history!
You wese so lucky to be there!!!
Because it’s a Russian music
sorry ,Anzu love ,but Olympics in Vancouver was nightmare for me.Plushy was robbed ,and i was crying the whole night.
@djkaye youtube ,sorry ,but just for U- From this time distance ,Lysachek's skating looks like a slow drawing on ice. Plushenko will stay remembered with his epic unforgettable performances like "Nijinsky" ;"Once upon a time.." ;Godfather";Roxanne tango" "Tango amore" ....are ,no doubt !
That was amazing!!
Looking back, he got 82 for Components, and this was a BEAUTIFUL program, skated AT the Olympics, when scores are generally higher. This week at Four Continents, Yuzu gets 94 Program Components, and Nathan Chen gets 88. LOL. Lysacek gets 82. The program component scores have just gotten out of control for the top men -- basically everyone gets 9-9.25 now average. So it's all about the technical.
XD Any of this boys today make better transitions and footwork than he did. Come'n it's not all about a great designer costume, histerical arms and winning faces... really overrated
not to mention how rude where the landing of his jumps, not really high if you see his own size. Really, everytime I saw this, I saw less and less...
Brent's Lucky Slot Channel Everything begins with Chanflation. But seriously, the difference in PCS between Yuzu and Nathan should be even more.
people like records. And sports is trying to attract people.
이동찬 well Nathan does a 4lutz and 4flip. Nathan is starting out with a higher base value and any additions and subtractions start from there. Hanyu makes up for it with the intricate in between, but Nathan is starting at a higher number.
Maybe the judges got lost in the theatrics-I know I did. I wanted him to win gold back in 2010. He reminded me of Alexei Yagudin...but watching this again it’s not as powerful as I remembered it to be.
This is the first time I've watched it since 2010... its even worse than I remembered. And yeah... the momentum of an American gold etc etc… sledgehammer. Hideous footwork, bobbing head, inelegant, no subtlety, no mix of rhythm... God, what a ghastly gold medallist. History will not be kind.
@@GuerillaCatty73 But you know what? Plushenko's program wasn't any better. I'm not a big fan of either of them, and honestly both programs were highly disappointing for Olympic medalists
Здравствуй дерево.Ногами ,руками помахал.Самое артистичное -это музыка .как коряга ,корявый
@@hannibaljustincase9985 agreed.
Yo era fans, fans de Plushenko y me sigue gustando. Pero un día allá por 2017 dije voy ha ver a este niño que ganó en Sochi ( no sé porque me resistía a ello y siempre lo pasaba por alto ) y bueno lo vi y desde entonces cambio todo , para mí ,.
Lo dijo Plushenko hay un antes y un después se Yusuru.
Este chico que ganó en Vancouver no lo volvía a ver no sé que le pasó.
Además la vigencia del japonés !!!! ( casi 10 años !!!!) Increíble.
También me enamora la versión del hombre de la máscara de hierro por el ruso ( no sé escribir bien el apellido ).
A mí siempre me gustaron los rusos.
Plushenko muy innovador, pero Yagudin le dió la lucha, no se la puso fácil. Y Yagudin en la temporada olímpica de SLC tuvo los mejores programas de su vida deportiva, con su programa corto me quedé enganchada con él!! (Winter) Jajaja.. hasta hoy lo disfruto, para mí es insuperable!!
Y aquí en Vancouver definitivamente debió ganar Evan L. Su programa largo aún sin cuádruple fue el mejor!
Bien hecho su coreo con componentes bien repartidos y la postura de sus saltos son excelentes en el aire, Plushenko se preparó aquí solo un año antes, por eso sus errores (muy confiado).
Moraleja: Nunca se debe subestimar al competidor 😉
This was an incredible moment for me. I wasn't too impressed with some of the skaters early in the Olympics, but a few managed to pique my interest. To me, Evan was a champ. I'm happy he won, he deserved it. I'm sure others believe differently, but we don't need any negativity. Evan, wonderful job!
Да, он откатался хорошо, но это не первое место. Технически набор элементов не сложный совсем, артистизм тоже не на высшую ступень пьедестала. Жаль, что судьи были не объективны совсем. А руками махать и радоваться после проката-это каждый сможет. Главное видимость создать, что все получилось, а получилось далеко не все.
На той Олимпиаде все делали ошибки в произвольной. Как ни странно, но чище всего был Плющенко, ещё и с квадом (+квад в КП). Эвана очевидно натянули на золото. Так же очевидно, как 4 года спустя лишили потом победы Ким в пользу Сотниковой. Надеюсь, что когда-нибудь фигурное катание будут судить по-настоящему объективно, насколько это возможно в этом виде спорта.
"the hardest working best conditioned athlete of this competition" please give us a break.
oofahman mooch Trolling bitch for your suck buddy, lol.
He really was if you know his coach he made his skaters run through their entire program every practice. He’s one of the reasons Michelle Kwan was so consistent.
He is the definition of flailing limbs. 😂
oofahman mooch oh come on. I clicked into a random part of the video and he’s windmilling like crazy. 😂
Also - mind your language, hm?
Honestly he's tall thats hard to control, the taller you are the harder it is to land these jumps.
@@glockenrein "windmilling like crazy" 😂😂😂
Just like Sherbakova.
The problem is that the judging system rewards these flailing arm movements.
Well deserved, Evan! ✨✨✨
ESPN Olympic Channel has been re running all of the Olympic Ice Skating from 2002 thru 2014...watching the 2010 men's skating again, Evan still wins it...he knew where to put his points, and he delivered...no question at all...watch Plushenko"s arms flailing after the jumps...that is where he lost..all jumps..
He is average Weir looked much better.nothing to say about Evan. empty very average.never watched anything else of his skating and not regretting it. sure would not miss anything
I think Weir got robbed...
Sammy Smith Weir should have been on the podium here.
Every one of Johnny's landings looked better than this guy's...
Ποιος θυμαται πια αυτον τον αθλητη;Αν οι αγωνες δεν ειχαν γινει στην πατριδα του δεν θα κερδιζε ουτε το χαλκινο μεταλλιο.Ο Πλουσενκο επρεπε να κερδισει.Ολοι το ξερουμε αυτο
Even some female Russian skaters jump quad nowadays... How could he get Gold without quad for men's competition?
sirmione905 1 quad is not worth more than a triple-triple. Plushenko frontloaded his program while Evan backloaded his (10% bonus). Evan's program had higher base values than plushenko's. So evan won.Simple maths.
Actually in 2010 a lot less male skaters attempted quads than in 2006. The way the scoring works its not always in the skater's best interest to do a quad. Now in 2018 you can't win without one but in 2010 you could - and here you see it. Also, the quad is not the be-all end-all of figure skating. Besides certain people like Yuzuru Hanyu, who is some sort of machine from another planet, they're often extremely difficult to control and therefore look sort of ugly. I think this skate had amazing artistry, amazing footwork, extension and the jumps were all extremely well executed (except one where he was a little forward on the landing, but still it was a solid enough landing). The most impressive jump to watch, to me, is a triple axel. He had them here in spades.
The scoring system was different in 2010 where quads were not given as many points, making it possible to win without a quad if the GEOs were good and PCS scores. Plushenko had worse GEOs. I did have an issue with Lysachek's PCS as i find his program boring compared to others and question if this performance warrented some of the PCS scores he received.
And those Russian girls won’t be able to do those quads in a couple of years. Eteri is delaying their puberty in order to land those quads.
Clean skate. Going clean. No-fall clean. (well, his was cleaner than the others so 🤷♀️)
This gold medal is somewhat not that convincing especially technically. 2000's is quar ero but he has no quar. It is a backwood gold medal. 8 years ago, in 2002 the quar is already performanced by both gold and silver madelist. This is really a backwards performance.
If you slow the programme down around 3.36 you can see he turns (skids) a full half turn before leaving the ice on the second triple axel. He's therefore basically doing a triple salchow.
How did the judges not notice that? I nominate you to be a judge!
If Johnny had skated in 2023 he would have won Gold❤❤
This is the only indication that you dont need to do squad and push your self to get the gold. I was inspired by this. For all the time i was thinking that you need to have a quad you to win gold. I was wrong
Exactly!
youre still wrong
but if now he just did like that, he would only be a clapper...
You’d still be wrong
i don't look forward to re-watching this Olympic gold medal skate compared to past champions. Neither Evan nor Plushenko skated to gold imo. Evan's axel has the most skid i've ever seen. It looks like his left skate turns 1/2 rotation and then he leaves the ice.
Totally agree. neither should have won. Plushenko can jump but not skate, while Evan can skate but not jump. Evan probably won because Plushy didn't do what he does best: jump well
WHAT IS THE SONG ITS DRIvING ME CRAZY NONE OF THESE VIDEOS SAY THE SONG!!!!!!!!!!
lol a Rika Kihira would have won this "mens competition"
Ugh!The infamous skating!Not an Olympic champion!
I felt Evan was a mediocre skater? No quad jump but he did 8 triple jumps but no errors!
. Even with errors, Plushenko's artistry shines and it's riveting.. And I wish Lycasek, so clearly talented, had that same spark. For whatever reason, it wasn't mesmerizing.
Plushenko should have Wong gold
What is harder technically, a quad toe or triple axel (i know which one has more points, but I can see a triple axel being harder to learn than a quad toe)?
Only the skaters can answer 😂
But really tho, 2021 and it’s still a fact that many aren’t consistent with their 3 axel~ and yet they’d rather focus on learning quads first than perfecting the 3A. Poor 3a 😂
As a previous skater I would imagine that a triple axel is harder. A triple axel is three and half rotations. It's hard to control that half turn, and axels require a lot of power and strength.
How tall is he? He looks like a giant compared to other skaters.
1.88m
Could have gone either way, but Evan won gold and that smirk being wiped off Pluschenkos arrogant face was priceless!
No. Only Plushenko as winner! And even Evan knows it.
When everyone bashes the winner...
He’s one of the most beautiful, handsome men in the entire world..
Плющенко №1
Мне не нравится прилизанный стручок Лаисечек, но Плющенко точно проиграл. Сидел бы себе дома, дал бы дорогу молодежи, приперся старый, тяжелыи, тяжело было на него смотреть.
Позор судейству, ну, видно же всем, Что Плющенко лучше, выше на пару голов, но нет, они его засуживают, и даже по его лицу видно, что он наперед знал, что засудят....
Лайсачек был лучшево всем! И заслуженно получил медаль золотую. Наглости Плющенко всегда было не занимать
Where can I find the background music :( ?
Its the famous Sheherazade
m.ruclips.net/video/SQNymNaTr-Y/видео.html
@@excalibur1812 Thank you. I know. Always wanted to get its figure skating version. :)
@@Roosslani I played this in my orchestra about 10 years ago. I played with the Temple Symphony in Temple, Texas. I was principal oboist for 20 years there. Rimsky-Korsakov is my all-time favorite composer and it was a dream come true when our conductor announced that we would be playing it. The woodwind parts are amazing.
Это написал РУССКИЙ КОМПОЗИТОР-РИМСКИЙ-КОРСАКОВ!
I love you Evan ❤️
Так себе, лайсачек Средненько
Даже очень так себе
They still talk about this since then.
I remembered this program as being like a lead weight. It still is. The 2000s of US men's skating were a polarizing era of either feminine disco glam (Johnny Weir, Rohene Ward) or closet-case bores (Tim Goebel, Evan Lysacek, Matt Lavoie) who looked like they never had fun in their entire lives. I never noticed the cheated axel entrances (seriously?) or how much he flailed his arms. That... that isn't choreography, but it sure looked like it in 2010. The only reason why he won this medal is because the judges knew Plushenko would have had an ego the size of Mother Russia and likely would have tried to run the ISU if he were allowed to repeat as Olympic champ (remember him announcing his "Platinum" silver medal?).
I'm with ya! I watched it at the time... you can see this ugly, milked, busy type of routine set the tone for what is happening today. Boring, athletic skater - how to compete against the talented? This is the result. He looks a dork, even more so seeing it again than at the time. Just a bloke who found himself in a lot of lycra on a rink... the faux artistry is the most offensive thing about it. Where men's skating now is, this type of routine, they need to ditch the costumes, the "storyline" and just make them go out and jump, lots, and not lose a second to add a flounce, flourish or pose with a trick added. Its mechanical... kudos to him, he did the work, etc, but the politics around that Olympics - so thick it travelled across oceans of time through the broadcast. You think it was to nullify Evgeni's greatness post retirement, eh? Wouldn't put it past them. (And toe pick on the first axel? Spray of ice should have been a hint to the judges...)
I was outraged at the time, I've never watched a WO since, never will, sod them, and if they couldn't understand that these medals set up the legacy and future of your sport... but you can see the judges prefer this kind of skate. Its bringing it down to did/didn't land, did/didn't do X elements, easy peasy. Currently, that is what we are looking at. Who can land it, who can't... then that's the order of the results. Boring. So boring. I'd put it on pause to write this comment (attention wandering, thought I'd check out the comments - that tells you everything, doesn't it?) and just restarted it... God, that was one ugly routine, one boring skater, not a rounded angle in his entire body. Add "artistry", forget "artistry", add "artistry" and on it goes. Multiple personality disorder skating. And no, even in 2010 this wasn't choreography. The world was divided, saw it for the point milking snore fest it was... The commentators confirm everyone's feelings - technically sharp, delivered, blah blah… but not a patch on EP as a performer, as a skater, as an artist. They are resigned.
Evan was never a closet case btw.
I mean it was better than plushenkos program both in technique and presentation, even though Evans axel sucks, everything else was 'fine'. And I use 'fine' because it wasn't a performance you would expect from a gold medalist, but it was a tad better than evgeni.
He was average, nothing compares to plushenko's performance. Plushenko is the real champion
Evan did his job, but nothing more. No feeling, no passion, just a list of jumps. Running before or after the music.l
What WERE you watching?
Hahaha your comment was hilarious. Skating back then was so much more artistic and full of raw talent than what it is today. aside from Hanyu and Nathan Chen, everyone pales in comparison to skaters like Evan, Michelle Kwan, Johnny weir, and Sasha Cohen. Evan’s artistic talent was what set him apart from Evgeni Plushenko - hence, why Evan took the gold. Idk what you were watching, but it wasn’t what everyone else was watching haha
No sure what you watched, however, rewatch and do so this time with your eyes open.
Not sure what you watched, but it obviously you are legally blind or mentally challenged. EP's performance was not even worthy of 2nd place, he was a has been and should have stayed retired.
Where is he now?
Не красивое катание...не пойму что не так с ним...вроде бы высокий и руки длинные но....еле досмотрела до конца😕
больше так не мучайся!
@@user-sq7bq5on4z это что было ?хотела блеснуть остроумием?...не дотягиваете уважаемая, так...как и этот "олимпийский"чемпион до золотой медали.
@@AMIR10345 Зато он не допингист как биатлонист Устюгов, с которого сегодня сняли звание Чемпиона ОИ и правильно сделали
@@AMIR10345 прекрасно дотянул до золотой. Прекрасно откатал, хватит уже идти на поводу скулящего ЖП. Как показала практика, без квадов прекрасно можно выигрывать.
Отточенные движения, но артистизма нет никакого. Вот чего не хватает.
How old was he when he won Gold?
24
A similar physique to Robin Cousins 1980, but not as entertaining..
Step sequence 👍
Evan didn't need a quad..by adding more jumps an spins in the last part of his program, he received more credits....they said his triple axle,double toe loop was worth 8.5, and Evegini's quad was worth 8.8...
Sammy Smith meanwhile in 2018, skaters are doing the quad lutz, and have their eyes set on the quad axel, while the ladies have taken over doing triples. We're talking about 8+ points here, but now it's 14+ with one jump. How far we've come...
😂😂😂😂😂😂
People forget that as good as Plushenko was, he had a tendency to put his most difficult elements in the front of his programs. Both of his axel passes were in the first 2 mins of the program. Evegeni left a lot of points on the table by doing that.
Ну полный столбняк. Грязная политика и здесь взяла верх. Плющенко был хорош
Great skate. I saw it back in the day. On another note, I miss Scott Hamilton and Sandra Bezic doing commentary.
Да вы глаза-то откройте - это насмешка, а не катание
Love Frank Carroll.
May Mr. Carroll RIP.
No wonder he disappeared in the field of figure skating.
Someone has a bad attitude.
Not only is he a very attractive, HOT guy… Evan is also a beautiful skater. One of my favorites. 👏🏾
Dances like an engineer. Stuff, but got him gold.
:)))) so true though. What a way to put it :)
Best comment ever lol
HILARIOUS!
@@robertsoslow733 как смешно смотрится в 2022 году деревянное катание ноль артистизма прижки очень очень простые
I think Plushenko was the best!!
身長が大きい人って、支点力点作用点がバラバラな人が多いけど、
彼はこうちせいに優れてて、
すばらしいね😃✨
長い手足が映えてにうっとり🎵
The most undeserved win in Olympic figure skating history.
Where's your medal?!
I bet this performance is the last time the winner wins without quad jump?!
Откатал и свалил)))
не так: откатал, победил и свалил))) кстати, жаль