Nah, they did Shawn dirty, and he has been a good boyfriend to Noa. How does Noa repay him? She lies, uses him, manipulates him, and cheats on him. So disappointed.
They totally ruined Noa. - my problem is not the cheating itself, but that is again the bisexual character doing it. Just count on Roberto do the bisexual character a cheater and the gay male character a cruiser (Riverdale). Some queer people have and look for stable relationships, not just the lesbians and gay men over 40! Then It makes so little sense that her of all people steals, not to mention the terrible way she used Sean (whatever it's spelled) Also is it just me or Henry and Farrin finally got some chemistry and were super adorable too in the pool?
Like they had the opportunity to have Noa atleast come to terms with being bi, and actually having a deep conversation with Shawn about it. It would’ve been SO good and SO raw / real. Instead we keep getting cheaters😩 I love Noa, I just wish they’d grow some balls and write a bi story that actually doesn’t end up hurting other people
After some thinking Christian just shot SO HIGH back up on my suspect list! Okay He may not be bloody rose (bc it's clearly a white woman) BUT I think his ass could be helping, he sets everything up and bloody rose just goes to attack. First lets talk about how obsessed Bloody Rose is with Final Girls, calling the liars final girls, and giving them "test" weird ass test that's giving jigsaw vibes. Bloody rose is basically a movie buff. Who is the ONLY other movie buff character in this show aside from Tabby? CHRISTIAN!!!! In the poster there are weird ass masks at the top! They look like the same masks and sculptures that Christian makes!! that we saw in episode 3! We now know everything in this poster is foreshadowing of what's to come, Mouse in the fire, Faran lifting something heavy, Noa I'm sure will be chased in the woods on those roses probably with wolves. I'm not sure about Imogen yet but let's talk about Tabby. So Tabby is on the ground crying and just looks devastated, she's also surrounded by Bloody rose, A, and some mysterious other masked person. I'm thinking that person in the middle is Christian!! It'd also be a huge betrayal for Tabby after letting him in, and maybe her ending up in a fight with Christian and possibly even killing him in the finale will let out maybe even some feelings about Chip. THIS TIME she gets to make the last move, have the last say and actually put an end to another man who's manipulated, betrayed, broke, and her tortured her. I know it's not the same way chip betrayed her but still. And if Christian is not working with Bloody rose personally maybe he's working with the church and therefore still technically working with Bloody Rose, because I still think the church storyline will come in to mix with all of this eventually. And all 3 of them surrounded around tabby like very much feels cult-y and sacrificial. Hell maybe even his name is a clue to that it's literally CHRISTIAN!!
i agree Ash is a red herring, no matter how i think about it i just don't see a motive for him unless he did get roped in for the sake of protecting Mouse... but Mouse has already been in grave danger so idgi? but yeah i agree on Noa i don't mind the writers exploring cheating as a topic but it doesn't even follow messy teenager logic to cheat on Shawn 😅
I agree Shawn's character is maybe going away this season :( (either through unaliving or a breakup) because the actor who plays him is on a new show coming out later this year; maybe that's also why we haven't seen him a lot of this season
also, I would hate hate hate for Ash to be involved in the Bloodly Rose thing because I saw on Twitter an interview of the actor saying they were going to maybe leave the show, but then the creators offered "something extra" I think that was about being a series regular vs a recurring character and not being a big bad 🙃
The way I just finished your episode 3 recap and kept reloading RUclips hoping you had uploaded your recap for this ep, and ALAS! Love your reviews btw and we have some of the same theories but I love hearing your own personal theories and hearing your take on them 💜
I don’t know why. But the first time I saw Bloody Rose up close my gut immediately told me that it’s Henry?! I’m pretty sure BR is more than one person and my gut is telling me now that it’s Henry and Johnny😂 I hope my gut is wrong tho and it would make zero sense
that Samantha Ronson chick needs to go. I actually miss the mothers. someone mentioned budget cuts and maybe thats why, there are also scenes mentioned/suggested but doesnt actually show what happened. the cheating scene made me upset. I think Noa’s trauma is being sprinkled out throughout the season till her final girl test episode. she’s probably out of character because inside she feels wreckless and is a mess. so she makes all these reckless choices to run away from her fears/trauma. she can turn to Shawn but probably feels insecure like maybe shes not good enough cos of his mother. maybe theres a part of her she hasnt allowed herself to explore yet. still doesnt make cheating ok. I think shawn and her are so cute together. this is just my interpretation of Noa’s trauma.
yeah this season do remind me of scream movie franchise especially 4-6. I include Scream 4 cus the niece was in on the killing I suspect one of the liars to be in on it too. It has to be someone close to them I think the new ppl coming a few are connected but they wouldnt be able to work together without sensitive information abt the Liars the number leaking their schedules where to place the Roses for them to find where they be at their challenges. Especially with ‘Bloody Rose’ who called Lola that had to be someone familiar with Mouse cus they knew to intercept Ash dropping off Mouse. I suspect its a liar working with others specifically the new ppl met off of spooky spaghetti
if there is gonna be a lesbian couple, then it could be Faran and Kelly. I prefer them as best friends though. Kelly deserves a much better lover. I dont ship Greg with Faran at all. people forget he was a total coward to Karen. also thats breaking girl code all over again if they went that route. he’s toxic
this series has produced no memorable scenes like the og show had. whether it be ali being revealed to be alive or toby being A. this show just lacks wow factor
I think what a lot of ppl are missing which u also said is - the show is called pretty little liars theyre gonna lie and have moral grey spaces. We need to remember they are teenagers fucking sophomores going into junior year ! If they all made the right decisions the show wouldnt exist lmao. Ppl are so focused on Noa cheating they’re missing the whole plot of her character development- finding out who she is. She met Jen during season 1 … Yet she never told anybody abt it. Why? Then We see she’s conflicted prior to the kiss. First she ignored Jen den she gave her the digits, introduced Jen to her bf den invite her out to a party, hot & cold. I mean damn she was literally tossing n turning in bed with Shawn thinkin abt her laid up with Jen. If u compare the 2 she looked more content with Jen it looked more sensual vs her just lying there with Shawn. Iknow ppl are upset she got the bisexual cheating trope but its realistic & not only to bisexuals for ppl to cheat when figuring out their sexual orientation ‼️💯. Noa plot is realistic & alot of ppl are missing it because of this silly ‘omg all bi’s dnt cheat’ nonsense we get it, its a fucking show get over it. On the Summer School poster for this season U see Noa bikini is blue/red which to me symbolized Duality. and we’re seeing alot of that from her. Like U said its like shes good over here den bad over there, its like she’s going from angel on your shoulder to the demon. which is realistic shes a fucking teenager.
Nah, they did Shawn dirty, and he has been a good boyfriend to Noa. How does Noa repay him? She lies, uses him, manipulates him, and cheats on him. So disappointed.
Why does Jen give me Sara Harvey vibes ☠️
No cause you’re so right 😂💀
Imagine if they make her shower or say something about a shower next episode, so we can offically call her Sara the Shower 2.0😂
Bruhhhhh, literally facts, i don't like her characterization at all
Omg why would u say that. She totally does 😂
They totally ruined Noa. - my problem is not the cheating itself, but that is again the bisexual character doing it. Just count on Roberto do the bisexual character a cheater and the gay male character a cruiser (Riverdale). Some queer people have and look for stable relationships, not just the lesbians and gay men over 40! Then It makes so little sense that her of all people steals, not to mention the terrible way she used Sean (whatever it's spelled) Also is it just me or Henry and Farrin finally got some chemistry and were super adorable too in the pool?
Like they had the opportunity to have Noa atleast come to terms with being bi, and actually having a deep conversation with Shawn about it. It would’ve been SO good and SO raw / real. Instead we keep getting cheaters😩 I love Noa, I just wish they’d grow some balls and write a bi story that actually doesn’t end up hurting other people
@@justawomper0975 Absolutely... Or if they want to be progressive make them a relationship of three :D I'd like that much better.
@@sailormoon7952 YES!!! Like let’s do anything but make the bi character messy! I’d be so down for a throuple
@@sailormoon7952 EXACTLY like have noa talk to them maybe have some Polly rep with shawn agreeing to also let her date jen
right that cheating bullshit is so played out and just ruined everything
if i have to be honest i don't even watch this show, i just tune in every week because i love hearing you talk about it!
Thank you 🥹❤️
After some thinking Christian just shot SO HIGH back up on my suspect list!
Okay He may not be bloody rose (bc it's clearly a white woman) BUT I think his ass could be helping, he sets everything up and bloody rose just goes to attack.
First lets talk about how obsessed Bloody Rose is with Final Girls, calling the liars final girls, and giving them "test" weird ass test that's giving jigsaw vibes. Bloody rose is basically a movie buff.
Who is the ONLY other movie buff character in this show aside from Tabby?
CHRISTIAN!!!!
In the poster there are weird ass masks at the top! They look like the same masks and sculptures that Christian makes!! that we saw in episode 3!
We now know everything in this poster is foreshadowing of what's to come, Mouse in the fire, Faran lifting something heavy, Noa I'm sure will be chased in the woods on those roses probably with wolves. I'm not sure about Imogen yet but let's talk about Tabby.
So Tabby is on the ground crying and just looks devastated, she's also surrounded by Bloody rose, A, and some mysterious other masked person. I'm thinking that person in the middle is Christian!! It'd also be a huge betrayal for Tabby after letting him in, and maybe her ending up in a fight with Christian and possibly even killing him in the finale will let out maybe even some feelings about Chip.
THIS TIME she gets to make the last move, have the last say and actually put an end to another man who's manipulated, betrayed, broke, and her tortured her. I know it's not the same way chip betrayed her but still.
And if Christian is not working with Bloody rose personally maybe he's working with the church and therefore still technically working with Bloody Rose, because I still think the church storyline will come in to mix with all of this eventually. And all 3 of them surrounded around tabby like very much feels cult-y and sacrificial.
Hell maybe even his name is a clue to that it's literally CHRISTIAN!!
Timestamps
00:01 - 38:36 Episode 4 Recap
38:37 - 1:10:04 Theories and Review
the way it took Imogen like 20 minutes to finally go upstairs to check on Stella really pissed me off lol
Literally so much bad could’ve happened in that time frame!!
@@Sadtimeonlineright?! I was like she’s in another country at this point babes, don’t even bother 💀
im p sure the babies name is estelle not stella but i totally agree i was like girl GO UPSTAIRS
I have been so loving this season! Already want season 3!❤
Me too!!
i agree Ash is a red herring, no matter how i think about it i just don't see a motive for him unless he did get roped in for the sake of protecting Mouse... but Mouse has already been in grave danger so idgi? but yeah i agree on Noa i don't mind the writers exploring cheating as a topic but it doesn't even follow messy teenager logic to cheat on Shawn 😅
I agree Shawn's character is maybe going away this season :( (either through unaliving or a breakup) because the actor who plays him is on a new show coming out later this year; maybe that's also why we haven't seen him a lot of this season
also, I would hate hate hate for Ash to be involved in the Bloodly Rose thing because I saw on Twitter an interview of the actor saying they were going to maybe leave the show, but then the creators offered "something extra" I think that was about being a series regular vs a recurring character and not being a big bad 🙃
Damn, Shawn was so handsome.
This is so true! Also Ash and Greg got promoted to series regulars but not him 😬
The way I just finished your episode 3 recap and kept reloading RUclips hoping you had uploaded your recap for this ep, and ALAS! Love your reviews btw and we have some of the same theories but I love hearing your own personal theories and hearing your take on them 💜
Thank you so much!! 💕
i've been waiting for this video like a kid waits for christmas morning!
I don’t know why. But the first time I saw Bloody Rose up close my gut immediately told me that it’s Henry?! I’m pretty sure BR is more than one person and my gut is telling me now that it’s Henry and Johnny😂 I hope my gut is wrong tho and it would make zero sense
The way ive been waitingggggg!!
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that Samantha Ronson chick needs to go.
I actually miss the mothers. someone mentioned budget cuts and maybe thats why, there are also scenes mentioned/suggested but doesnt actually show what happened.
the cheating scene made me upset. I think Noa’s trauma is being sprinkled out throughout the season till her final girl test episode. she’s probably out of character because inside she feels wreckless and is a mess. so she makes all these reckless choices to run away from her fears/trauma. she can turn to Shawn but probably feels insecure like maybe shes not good enough cos of his mother. maybe theres a part of her she hasnt allowed herself to explore yet. still doesnt make cheating ok. I think shawn and her are so cute together. this is just my interpretation of Noa’s trauma.
It could be trauma, or maybe she was in a state of thinking about their past time together. regardless of that Shawn and Noa were a beautiful couple.
yeah this season do remind me of scream movie franchise especially 4-6. I include Scream 4 cus the niece was in on the killing I suspect one of the liars to be in on it too. It has to be someone close to them I think the new ppl coming a few are connected but they wouldnt be able to work together without sensitive information abt the Liars the number leaking their schedules where to place the Roses for them to find where they be at their challenges. Especially with ‘Bloody Rose’ who called Lola that had to be someone familiar with Mouse cus they knew to intercept Ash dropping off Mouse. I suspect its a liar working with others specifically the new ppl met off of spooky spaghetti
1:30 sooooo true
if there is gonna be a lesbian couple, then it could be Faran and Kelly. I prefer them as best friends though.
Kelly deserves a much better lover.
I dont ship Greg with Faran at all. people forget he was a total coward to Karen. also thats breaking girl code all over again if they went that route. he’s toxic
sapphic* couple.
just because it’s two women, doesn’t mean they’re lesbians….
@@notamberp exactly they'd be bi
@@Lilt348or pan, etc.
Also Faran deserves to be with a better guy than Greg, he literally dated his girlfriends twin sister after she was murdered.
Guess noah & jen the new era version of Em & paige
emison was so much better
i feel like karen is still alive and like maybe involved in the bloody rose thing and maybe she will pretend to be kelly at some point
NEED to know if you have heard about the Karen as bloody rose theory and your thoughts…that’s all the people I know who watch it are talking about!!!!
Im not a fan of Jen :/
I'm sat!
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this series has produced no memorable scenes like the og show had. whether it be ali being revealed to be alive or toby being A. this show just lacks wow factor
I think what a lot of ppl are missing which u also said is - the show is called pretty little liars theyre gonna lie and have moral grey spaces. We need to remember they are teenagers fucking sophomores going into junior year ! If they all made the right decisions the show wouldnt exist lmao. Ppl are so focused on Noa cheating they’re missing the whole plot of her character development- finding out who she is. She met Jen during season 1 … Yet she never told anybody abt it. Why? Then We see she’s conflicted prior to the kiss. First she ignored Jen den she gave her the digits, introduced Jen to her bf den invite her out to a party, hot & cold. I mean damn she was literally tossing n turning in bed with Shawn thinkin abt her laid up with Jen. If u compare the 2 she looked more content with Jen it looked more sensual vs her just lying there with Shawn. Iknow ppl are upset she got the bisexual cheating trope but its realistic & not only to bisexuals for ppl to cheat when figuring out their sexual orientation ‼️💯. Noa plot is realistic & alot of ppl are missing it because of this silly ‘omg all bi’s dnt cheat’ nonsense we get it, its a fucking show get over it. On the Summer School poster for this season U see Noa bikini is blue/red which to me symbolized Duality. and we’re seeing alot of that from her. Like U said its like shes good over here den bad over there, its like she’s going from angel on your shoulder to the demon. which is realistic shes a fucking teenager.
Just because she's young doesn't mean she has to be dumb or a cheater. Just admit it, y'all like messy characters.
noa is ruined as a character. cheating after asking your bf to bail out the person your cheating with. she can get got by bloody rose
@@yanksrgreat well thats your opinion I never asked for.
these storylines suck and this reveal is gonna suck just like the first seasons. the OG pll was way better than this garbage roberto cooked up