"I boxed heavyweights for four years till I realized Sonny Liston wasn't my cup of tea. When I saw him come on the scene, I said I'm going to get back down where I belong." -- Willie Pastrano
Rocky was always so nice and humble. He never trash talked his opponents and always praised their fighting abilities before he broke them , he let his fist do the talking.
William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness and some numbness in his limbs as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano
*"Charles lost the title to Walcott in 1951. Ailing Charles tried to regain the Heavyweight title three times, losing once to Walcott in 1952 and twice to Marciano in 1954. Charles a spent force by that time, who, from 1951 on was suffering from the symptoms of ALS."* -- written by William Dettloff author of "Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life" 2015
The diagnosis came from Ezzard's family, all his trainers and Ezzard himself. They didn't need a doctor's diagnosis inorder to help them see Ezzard's hand trembling when he tried to hold a spoon while eating soup. Ezzard said, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* William Dettloff's biography about Ezzard Charles having ALS symptoms in 1951 is *NEVER* going to magically disappear just because you want it to or because there wasn't a medical diagnosis done in 1951. Wikipedia needs to be updated by Ezzard's family the same way Archie Moore's birthdate was recently updated from 1916 to 1913 by his family making Archie 41 when he fought Rocky.
*"The Heavyweight version of Charles,”* Dettloff sums up, *“would get a lot of good work done. But on the best day of his life, he was no more a Heavyweight than Ray Robinson. He never would be as good there as he was at light heavy and below.”* -- written by William Dettloff author of "Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life" 2015 *"Ezzard was intentionally ducked by champions in both the middleweight and light heavyweight divisions. As a result, Charles was forced into the 175 lb Heavyweight division despite never being a true Heavyweight."* -- written by William Dettloff author of "Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life" 2015
Marciano boarded a small Cessna 172 with pilot Glenn Belz, and Frank Farrell, the son of Louis Thomas Fratto, born Luigi Tommaso Giuseppe Fratto, also known as "Lew Farrell" and "Cock-eyed", an American labor racketeer and organized crime figure in Chicago, Illinois, and Des Moines, Iowa, from the 1930s to his death in 1967. A massive storm system challenged Belz's relative inexperience (231 hours of total flight time) as the plane flew west from Chicago over Iowa. Trying to land at a small airfield outside Newton, Belz crashed the plane into a tree about two miles short of the intended runway. On August 31, 1969, all aboard, including Marciano, died on impact. It was all Rocky's fault, he pressured the amateur pilot into flying even though he knew they were headed towards severe thunderstorms. Why? What was so important in Des Moines? His business was loansharking and he was in a hurry to collect 35K which is equivalent to 293K today. He was in a hurry because he didn't want to be late to his birthday (Sept. 1st) party the next day in Florida.
"Nobody hit those bags like Sonny. He tore bags up. He could turn that hook, put everything behind it. Turn and snap. Bam! Why, he could knock you across the room with a jab. I saw him knock guys out with a straight jab. Bam! In the ring, Sonny was a killing machine." -- Johnny Tacco
@@sorshiaemms5959 EVERYONE who saw rocky Marciano fight or fought him said he hit harder than anyone including Joe Louis, Bert Suger, WALCOTT, Moore, Jack Dempsey, Floyd Patterson ect🎉🎉🎉.
@@sorshiaemms5959 yep that's exactly right. Archie Moore said each one hurt and his entire body hurt all over for weeks like he had been pelted with rocks.
@@Stout_Krout WE ALWAYS WANT TO DISCUSS ROCKYS RESUME. HE DESTROYED 4 ALL TIME GREATS AND ALL THE TOP RANKED FIGHTERS. ROCKY KEPT THEM OUT OF THE HALL OF FAME..
@@Stout_Krout THEY FOUGHT HUNDREDS OF FIGHTS COMBINED! SONNY DIDN'T!!! ITS NOT EVEN WHO BEAT YOU ITS WHO YOU BEAT! LOOK AT SOME OF TYSONS LOSSES. WE STILL LOVE TYSON! LOOK WHO ALI LOST TO. SO WHAT! ROCKY BEAT THEM ALL !!! GTFO TROLL.
@@Stout_Krout EXCUSES SICK TROLL! MOORE AND WALCOTT HAD JUST BECOME CHAMPIONS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THEIR LIVES. ONE WAS LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WHO DESTROYED THE TWO TOP RANKED HEAVYWEIGHTS . WALCOTT HAD JUST BECOME HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD. EZZARD CHARLES WAS BASICALLY THE SAME AGE AS ROCKY, HAD JUST BEEN CHAMPION AND WAS RANKED NUMBER ONE FOR THE FIRST 3 YEARS ROCKY WAS CHAMPION UNTIL ROCKY KNOCKED HIM DOWN TO NUMBER 10. ROCKY ALSO DESTROYED THE REST OF THE TOP RANKED FIGHTERS INCLUDING LASTARZA WHO WAS 25 YEARS OLD AND 37 AND O!!!! CONKELL WAS BRITISH AND EUROPEAN CHAMPION AND RANKED NUMBER TWO. KID MATTHEWS WAS 80 AND 3 AND HADN'T LOST IN 10 YEARS. VINGO WAS DIVISION CHAMPION. 16 AND 1 WHEN ROCK PUT HIM IN A COMA. THATS THE FACTS LIKE IT OR NOT! ROCKY DESTROYED THE 4 BEST IN THE WORLD. FIGHTERS ALI Looked UP TO AND COPIED FROM. JUST GTF OVER IT!!!
@@Stout_Krout SO WHAT! ITS NOT YOUR LOSSES ITS WHO YOU BEAT!!!! You're too sick, disgruntled, disrespectful and ignorant to understand the differences between the times!! Your obsession and jealousy of Rocky has now caused you to attack his entire era black and white?!! Boxing is more boring, messed up now than it's been in my entire life!!!! Boxers are BIGGER now but absolutely not better and you're entire CIRCUS is just numbers!!!! YOur entire prejudice, biased crap show is you manipulating NUMBERS!!!..
Hall of Fame Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston was a muscular 6′ 1″ powerhouse weighing 220 lbs of pure brick. He had iron in either fist and could put an opponent on the mat quickly with either. Sonny was the most ducked fighter of all time. Even Joe Frazier’s team refused to fight him. Liston in his prime was the real deal. He was a great fighter.
UNLIKE YOU I CAN SHOW ROCKYS OFFICIAL PUNCHING POWER TEST RESULTS OF 1000 FOOT LBS. SAME AS A 44 MAGNUM. I CAN ALSO SHOW MUCH LONGER LIST OF PROFESSIONALS SAYING ROCKY HIT HARDER THAN ANYONE!!!🎉🎉🎉🎉
Boxing Historian Monte Cox wrote: “Liston was made to be a fighter. His physical attributes bordered on the freakish. At six-foot, one-inch, he had an eighty-four inch reach-longer than that of all other champions with the exception of Primo Carnera. His neck was a massive eighteen inches. But the number that leaps off the page-the statistic that looks initially lik' a typo-is that which corresponds to his hands. When closed into a fist, they measured fifteen inches around, virtually twice the size of an average man’s. To contemplate the impact of a fist that large, delivered over a distance that great, from a man so determined to do damage, would give even the bravest opponent pause."
But...in the 2 biggest fights of his career...Liston S**T himself in front of the whole world. You can have all the skills that you've mentioned...but without heart...it doesn't mean a thing!
@@donnacushman7024*For 9 years from 1955 to 1964 Liston decimated his division. There were 14 fighters at the top during Sonny’s time who flatly refused to fight him:* Hall of Fame undisputed Heavyweight Champion Joe Frazier (Joe accepted, his management said hell no, and vetoed it). Hall of Fame undisputed Heavyweight Champion Ingemar Johannson refused to fight Sonny. Bob Foster (light heavyweight Champion but fought for the Heavyweight title twice) refused. WBA Heavyweight Champion Ernie Terrell refused to fight Sonny. WBA Heavyweight Champion Jimmy Ellis refused to fight Sonny. Bob Baker declined too. So did Henry Cooper, who said: “I don't even want to see him walking down the street, let alone in a gym!” Karl Mildenberger declined as well. Jerry Quarry (his father refused to make the fight). Tommy Jackson refused. Doug Jones did too. Harold Carter did as well. So did Joe Erskine and Bob Cleroux. *That is 14 top fighters who refused to fight Sonny, including 4 Champions.* *Sonny is the most ducked fighter in boxing history.* *On the other hand Rocky was "'NEVER'" ducked.* *Moore, Walcott and LaStarza repeatedly petitioned to fight Rocky for years. EVERYONE wanted to fight Rocky bcz he couldn't hurt you the way Sonny could.* *Little Rocky didn't even come close to cleaning out his division.* *He ducked Marty Marshall, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Bivins, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith, Clarence Henry, Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard, Jackson, Bucceroni and Baker just to name a few.*
@bobbyd1776his birth certificate was lost so his real age during most of his career was late thirties early forties he was a killer in his division Furthermore it was known that rocky was a duck as well, and that the mob protected his record and that large portions of it where padded out his best wins were against guys who were very old and at the tail end of their careers the up and coming killers he avoided
Why would a "bigger" fist do more damage on impact? All things being equal, a smaller surface would be more devastating!? Probably "old-school" fighters had "conditioned" hands (like the shins of Muay Thai fighters in Thailand maybe?) because they used to punch with gloves with basically no padding and so on....but I'm not even 100% sure of this "theory"! On a side note, the strength/power/resistence etc of boxers of bygone eras tend to be always exaggerated and all the related "stories" are embellished! Don't get me wrong, I love the boxing "lore" but I can't believe even half of that! If a 280 lbs, 6'6'' Zhilei Zhang managed to catch Rocky or Sonny "good" inside the first three rounds, it's curtains!
@@Studentofsweetscience Rocky was a tough as nail "swarmer", but he was undersized even in his own era....there's no way he could be a real threat to massive heavys (with some ability/skills obviously, like Zhang, Bakole and so forth) of more recent eras! Same goes with Floyd Patterson, Sam Langford, Jack Dempsey and so on.....they were all great fighters (greater both in a P4P sense and in achievements than Zhang etc) but at one point people need to open their eyes! lol
Ezzard said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Lou Duva, Burt Sugar, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* There's no room for debate, too many reputable witnesses. Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking lived with ALS for *55* years. *Any questions about the validity then I'd suggest filing defamation lawsuits against Ezzard, his family, all his trainers, Duva, Sugar and Dettloff.*
I see you mentiion a lot of guys who said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. I don't see anyone though who has any expertise in the field of medicine. Do you have anyone in the medical profession who will agree wit this medical evaluation
How can you claim their is no room for debate regarding Ezzard Charles having ALS in 51? Thats laughable. Name one, just one respected physician or medical journal who agrees with this nonsense. You cant do it can you? No of course not If your claim had any merit you would be able to list multiple credible experts. After all 73 years have passed, nearly 3/4 a century. Thats a whole lot of time to find someone credible. Failure to list any credible experts shows my comment rings true. To say Charles had ALS in 51 is nonsense
@@original.Bobbyd It easy for you to accumulate hundreds of likes. After all, you have hundreds of accounts you can use to give thumbs up to your posts. LMFAO. In regards to Charles, I truly enjoy it when you bring up your Charles and 1951 ALS nonsense. It shows how much of a troll you truly are. Lets take a look. In all of medical history, there is a grand total of ZERO world Class athletes who were diagnosed with ALS who remained world Class athletes 3 years later. Therefore, Normal sane people would view the claim that Charles had ALS in 51 with a whole lot of skepticism. And yet you don't. Hmmm. Why is that? Somehow, you take that claim as if its the gospel truth. And that says a whole lot about you Mr Troll. In regards to Ali, I know exactly what he said about Rocky.(And it makes you cry like a baby) Rocky Marciano: The Rock of His Times 2005 author Russell Sullivan "The one fighter who might have beaten me." Muhammed Ali "Hit you so so hard it jar your kin folk in Africa. - Muhammed Ali And here is a video of Ali stating exactly that ruclips.net/video/GDaw2QFC1Qg/видео.html You get spanked. AGAIN
@@original.Bobbyd WTH are you talking about now? Jimmy Bivins? LMFAO And we both know you wont be talking about reputable medical professionals who support your Charles had ALS in 51 fantasy. And the reason you wont be talking about that is because there arent any. Ha Ha Ha
Sonny Liston v. Wayne Bethea Aug 1958 -- Referee stops the fight upon discovering many of Bethea's teeth in his mouthpiece. Bethea, who had never been off his feet, said after being stopped by Liston: “He must have hit me with a horseshoe in his glove!" Liston hit Bethea and knocked out 7 of his teeth, broke 9 more for 16 lost teeth from one blow!
"Liston compares favorably with any of the heavyweights of the past. Any of them. When somebody asks me, How does Liston compare with Joe Louis?' I have to stop and think. So you know how good a fighter Liston is." -- Cus D'Amato
Ali fought both Foreman and Liston, and he said that when it came to George he just had to take the hits and wear big George down, in the case of Liston, he simply did not want to get hit at all. So for Ali it was certainly Sonny that hit harder. Foreman trained with Liston after the Olympics, preparing him for pro boxing. George said Sonny was the only man that had ever pushed him backwards with sheer strength alone. He also said that you were always really careful not to make Sonny mad! I think it is pretty safe to say that Sonny Liston hit harder than George Foreman.
Rocky Marciano's legacy is not that he was just undefeated, but how he was undefeated. He overcame cuts, knockdowns, trailing late in fights, and more. His will is unquestioned. When you look at the greatest heavyweights to ever reign over the most prestigious title in all of sports, the greats are near-mythical figures that would give everything to win, men that had an indomitable spirit to go along with skill. When you think of guys like that, you think of Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Holmes, Holyfield and yes, Rocky Marciano, who undoubtedly etched his name among them. So let the revisionist run their mouths about how he was too short, how he was just a brawler, how his competition was weak etc. In the end, no other heavyweight champion has ever retired undefeated and I doubt anyone else ever will. The one-man that did it is always standing and his name is Rocky Marciano!
Yes you are correct. However his hardest fights were against very old blown up light heavyweight fighters, Walcott, Charles ( who was in the early stages of MS) and Moore. The combined winning percentage of Marciano's opponents was 27 percent the lowest of any HW champ. Had he come around in the 60s,70s,80s or 90s he would have won a few fights at heavyweight but he would have noway been dominant. Now if he could have gotten down to 175 or been a cruiserweight, I'm fairly certain Rocky would have been a top 5 all time. The problem is ( I'm quoting Larry Merchant) " the big men are bigger and there a way more of them". I just see no way he could get past Liston,Ali,Norton, Holmes, Frazier, Lennox, either Klitchko brother, Lewis, Mercer, Ruddock. He may have given Evander or Tyson a tough 2 or 3 rounds but he would have been steamrolled inside of 5 . Also he would never have beaten Jack Dempsey, Jack Johnson or Louis. A prime Dempsey was barely a step above a caveman. A prime Louis gives any heavyweight a hard way to go and Johnson could beat guys with his jab.
@@Steve_Whitlock You forget about Dempsey and Louis and their will to win. Also Gene Tunney retired as undefeated HW champ, he never lost at heavyweight .
George said in an interview with Ring Magazine: “Sparring with Liston is the most dangerous thing that I ever did in my entire life. No matter what I tried against him, it was me who had to revert back to boxing. Nobody made me box like Sonny Liston did and that happened every time we worked together. He taught me many things, including the importance of the jab.” A good example of Sonny's sheer strength was an exercise he devised in training camp of loading an industrial sized wheelbarrow full of rocks, and wheeling it up and down a hill. Foreman, 19, and training with "the old man," could only carry one wheelbarrow for every 3 for Sonny: “His strength," said Foreman, "you just can't believe how strong he was!"
@@ScottHendrix-yz3du *Middleweight/light heavyweight 41 year old Moore Retired Rocky when he was only 31 years of age. Little Rocky took horrible beatings from Walcott and Charles which hospitalized him for nose surgery and dozens of stitches. Besides Rocky knew 14-1 Sonny Liston and Cleveland Williams were waiting for him.*
@@ScottHendrix-yz3du*Rocky Marciano ducked Marty Marshall, Harold Johnson, Joey Maxim, Yolande Pompey, Jimmy Bivins, Bob Satterfield, Nino Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith, Clarence Henry, Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard, Willie Pastrano, Tommy Jackson, Dan Bucceroni, Bob Baker, Cleveland Williams and Ingemar Johansson just to name a few. Don't fight any that could beat us then leave before the young exposes us.*
@Studentofsweetscience so basically EVERYONE WHO WAS BEATEN AND NOT RANKED ROCKY DUCKED? Oh ok. WRONG!!! Marty marshall a journey men fighter who beat up Sonny liston. Nino Valdez HAD 5 STRAIGHT LOSSES AND WAS BEATEN BY ARCHIE MOORE TWICE. ROCKY FOUGHT AND BEAT EVERY SINGLE RANKED FIGHTER OR BELT HOLDER OF HIS ERA AND FLOYD PATTERSON ADMITTED HE WOULD NOT FIGHT ROCKY. YOUR ALSO NAMING FIGHTERS THAT DIDN'T EVEN FIGHT Heavyweight. ROCKY DESTROYED THE TOP RANKED IN LINE FOR A TITLE FIGHT!!! YOUR RACIST AFROCENTRISTS GIBBERISH DOESN'T CHANGE REALTY IT JUST MAKES YOU LOOK MENTALLY CHALLENGED.
@@Studentofsweetscience *1st WRONG. as I've shown you and posted below shows Archie was 38 according to US census records. *2. LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION ARCHIE MOORE BEAT NINO VALDEZ TWICE AND KOD BAKER IN ONE ROUND. *3. ARCHIE ADMITTED HE COULDN'T HURT ROCKY. He said I THOUGHT I JAD BECOME UNBEATABLE UNTIL I FOUGHT ROCKY. He said if I could hit them I could beat them but not rocky because he was WHAM BAM DIDN'T GIVE A DAMN. Hit like a dump truck with his right and a jack hammer with his left!!! George Foreman says Archie told him his nerves were so badly damaged he couldn't lift his arms to defend himself against Rocky!! *4. Rocky was never hurt in 49 PRO HEAVYWEIGHT BOUTS. He DESTROYED 4 ALL TIME GREATS BY KO and destroyed the top ranked fighters including the unbeaten ones. HE RETIRED 13 PRO HEAVYWEIGHTS INCLUDING ONE STANDING 6'5 254 LBS. THE GREAT WHITE HOPE AS YOU CALLED HIM CRUSHED YOUR DADDYS HEROS. Facebook · Boxing News and History 1.7K+ reactions · 12 months ago Boxing News and History - Archie Moore, the fighter whose legendary career ... He claimed to have been born in 1916, in Collinsville ... " But evidence provided by the 1920 US census shows he was correct: 1916
Floyd Patterson wrote in Victory Over Myself: *“I loved Cus, but he was not going to let me fight the best because he was afraid I was going to lose. I decided a Champion had to face everyone, even if he loses, and I felt better despite the losses."* Ironically, even though he lost to Liston and never regained the title, he is still ranked in the top 20 heavyweights of all time precisely because he fired Cus, and fought real contenders, rolling up a record worthy of the Hall of Fame. After he fired Cus, Floyd faced: Muhammad Ali Sonny Liston Eddie Machen Henry Cooper Jimmy Ellis Oscar Bonavena Jerry Quarry George Chuvalo *"I decided a Champion had to face everyone, even if he loses."* - Floyd Patterson (SOMETHING ROCKY MARCIANO NEVER DID) *Why did Rocky "UP-N-QUIT" during his prime after only (7) years while everyone else was fighting (15) to (25) years? Patterson fought from 1952 to 1972. Imagine Rocky having a normal 20 year career from 1948 to 1968? He would of had to face Cleveland Williams, Ingemar Johansson, Floyd Patterson, Sonny Liston, Ernie Terrell, Joe Frazier, George Chuvalo, Jerry Quarry, Eddie Machen, Zora Folley, Oscar Bonavena, Jimmy Ellis and Doug Jones just to name a few.* For Pete's sake Marciano was only 31 his last fight and to make matters even worse his last fight had to be against a 41 year old light heavyweight named Archie Moore born "1913" wikipedia! *Little Marciano ducked Marty Marshall, Harold Johnson, Joey Maxim, Yolande Pompey, Jimmy Bivins, Bob Satterfield, Nino Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith, Clarence Henry, Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard, Willie Pastrano, Tommy Jackson, Dan Bucceroni, Bob Baker, Cleveland Williams and Ingemar Johansson just to name a few. Don't fight any that could beat us then leave before the young exposes us.*
How do you figure that Marciano only fought 7 years? Every piece of evidence I find says he fought 8. He began his career in 1947, fought every year, and retired in 1955. 1955-1947= 8 years. If I'm wrong, please educate me on the issue. Now onto those guys you mention he eventually knew he would have to confront. I don't see that at all. None of them had accomplished anything of note in the HW division by the time Rocky retired. He would have no reason to know any of them. I also find it strange that you mentioned the names Chuvalo and Miteff. Lets take a closer look at the career of those guys. . Chuvalo made his pro debut on April 24, 1956. Alex Miteff made his debut 2 months later in June of 56, Why would Rocky know anything about these guys who hadn't even fought professionally at the time of his last fight?
@@floydpattersonii4996 I have to disagree with you. Bobbyd1776 does not know his stuff. According to him, and I'm quoting him directly, "Marty Marshall easily beats little Rocky" Anyone who thinks Marty beats Rocky, and easily I might add, definitely does not know his stuff
@@Stout_Krout Someone does get spanked all the time. And its you. Thats why you can NEVER account for the words that come out your mouth. Take this one for example Rowdy-r2d2-John.3.16 posts that Lennox Lewis, when fighting seriously was pretty much untouchable. Hmmm, Is that true? I'm not sure about that. Lets take a look at the events of Sept. 24. 1994? On this date Lennox faced Oliver McCall with the WBC HW title on the line. Lennox was TKO'd in the 2nd rd. How do you account for this TKO loss Rowdy? You've been ducking this question a long time. I account for it by saying you don't know what you are talking about. And you take another L
Ali never respected Rocky. The truth is Ali severely disrespects Rocky and even challenges him to fight but Rocky declines *@ Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco* OR ONLINE *@ "Do you agree with Ali's assessment of why he'd have beaten Rocky Marciano"* - just press on the yellow writing and the entire book appears.
Muhammad Ali said, *"Even in his prime, Rocky had no chance with me. First thing, he is too little. Less than five foot ten to my six foot three inches. I’d overwhelm him. I’d lay on him in the clinches like a big old grizzly bear, and I’d smother his insides out. He was too small to reach me from outside. I’d jab him twenty to one. Rocky had a face that cut easily. Can you imagine what my stinging jab would do to those weak eyes? By round three, Rocky would look like he ran into a lawn mower. How could he beat me? No way, is how."* "Regardless of the script, Rocky seemed unable to pull his punches, whereas Ali could come within a fraction of an inch to making it look extremely real. Our problem was that Ali was getting madder and madder as Rocky thumped one hard shot after another off his ribs." "By the end of the second day, Ali stopped the filming to have a word with Rocky, *"Rocky, you're supposed to be pulling those body shots. You aren't, and they're hurting my ribs. Now, if we're going to have a real fight, then you will not be able to land those shots without me peppering your face with hard left jabs and right hooks, and if you do by chance land a body shot, you're going to take back a stinging right hand to the nose to break it again. Now, do we play movie or do we play boxing?"* "Marciano knew he was wrong. Secretly, he wanted to find out if Ali could take his best shots. To his surprise, he found that Ali could. End of the problem." *@ Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco Chapter 10* OR ONLINE *@ "Do you agree with Ali's assessment of why he'd have beaten Rocky Marciano?"* - just press on the yellow writing and the entire book appears.
Muhammad Ali, *"Umm Marciano... Marciano, umm, phew, ooh he hit hard. He hit you so hard* (unrecognizable) *folks in Africa."* Cosell, *"But you think you could have beaten him too?"* Ali, *"Well it a been rough, look Howard, I don't take nothing from these fellas especially those deceased. Marciano and I were good friends, but I truly think on my best day and his best day I would have beaten him, probably not knocked him out, I been sore, I think he was better than Joe Frazier I'd put it that way. I truly think he was better than Joe Frazier. I think it be even, he may have won - it's just hard, it's just up to the imagination."* Cosell, *"You know you started out with so much braggadocio, now you're ending with humility."* Ali, *"Yea, you got the last man Marciano. Showing him last, you did the right thing. He wasn't as great as me, wasn't as beautiful everyone knows that. But I don't know if I would have beat him with his style and my style. He could've out-pointed me, could've knocked me down. Did a computer fight with him when he was an old man just pretending and my arms were so sore just for joking with him. In his heyday he may have won, he probably wouldn't... that's up for the imagination. In the end I still think I'm the greatest of all time!"* Later, in part 6 Ali flips a script saying that *"a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* He then goes on to his usual *"I'm the greatest"* after part 6. Why was the most important part removed?? *Ali said, "a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* *This valuable information has been suppressed for 48 years!* Imagine all the uploaders that have been entering incorrect information for decades! Truth is folks have removed 3 hours 28 minutes because it didn't align with their agenda! *The Fact is Ali Hated Marciano! Ali knew Marciano was deceased so he Lied when he said Marciano was better than Joe Frazier!* Y'all can order copies *@ Muhammad Ali Archival Television Audio Inc* just go to the *3rd page* to order 9889 is 90 MIN, 9889A is 30 MIN and 9890 is 90 MIN. That's 3 1/2 hours of Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore and Louis.. *"a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano." - Muhammad Ali, 02/15/76* (As more proof Dave Diles explains Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore in depth @ 0:15 or very beginning of *1976 Daytona 500 - ABC Wide World of Sports coverage* from NascarAllOut)
*Quotes from Jersey Joe Walcott about Cassius Clay:* *“Cassius Clay is the best heavyweight champion of them all. He could beat Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles, Rocky Marciano and a fellow named Jersey Joe Walcott.”* Walcott was asked if he realized what he was saying. He nodded and repeated: *“Clay could beat Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and a fellow named Jersey Joe Walcott. Clay is too big and punches too fast and moves too quickly for all of us old timers. This kid has speed in his hands and feet like a welterweight.”* Asked to explain in more detail why he rates Clay a sure winner over Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and himself, Jersey Joe lit up a cigarette and said: *“Dempsey and Louis and the rest of us would be too small to beat this big, rangy kid. All of us old-timers needed room to punch. But not Clay. He can hit you from any position and hurt you. He can do this even when he is off balance.”* *“I fought Louis, Charles and Marciano. I know none of these men, or me, could box with Clay. And I know none of us could punch as fast as Cassius. When one punch can take a big man like Liston off his feet, people should realize the agility, coordination and power Clay can put into each and every punch.”* *RING, SEPT. 1965 WALCOTT INSIST ALI WOULD BEAT DEMPSEY, LOUIS, ROCKY, ETC. BY ED BRENNAN* In summary Jersey Joe has been around boxing for a long time and should know what he is talking about...should i believe you, a biased casual, or Jersey Joe ?
Read *Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life by William Dettloff.* Charles already had symptoms of ALS (1951) long before he fought Rocky in 1954. How can anyone say he didn't if you have never read his biography? If a Rocky fan were to read a Rocky biography they'd hang on to every single word as if it were the holy grail.
Do you have anyone in the medical profession who will agree with this medical evaluation? It sure would help your cause. Perhaps Dettloff, when he wasn't writing books, was he also a doctor?
Don Turner said, *"Rocky Marciano was the hardest puncher i ever seen."* Oh really, when was Don ever hit by Rocky? Ali said Shavers was the hardest puncher. Foreman said Lyle was the hardest puncher. Archie Moore rated Sheppard and Durelle as the hardest punchers. Emanuel Steward rated Wladimir and Lennox as the hardest punchers. Miller fans, Bakole fans, Zhang fans, Joshua fans, Ali fans, Foreman fans and Holmes fans NEVER EVER discuss Don Turner, only Rocky fans discuss Don's opinionated speculations and believe it as the gospel truth. Hey everyone, Delusional Don said little Rocky was the hardest puncher so it Must Be True Ha Ha Ha! Besides Don never saw Rocky fight in person! Rocky had his last fight in New York 1955. Don was born in 1939 and raised in Cincinnati. Don was only 15 years old. He had no money and was over 600 miles away. *His opinions are based on hearsay and film, in other words the same as ours!* Don said, "I have no idea what my father did. We were on welfare and lived in the Cincinnati projects four blocks from Ezzard Charles." -- A Beautiful Sickness: Reflections on the Sweet Science, by Thomas Hauser, 2001- page's 72 & 74. *If Don thought so highly of little 5' 9" 184 lb Rocky with tiny 67" flyweight reach why didn't he look for another power-punching midget to rule the Heavies? Instead he chose to train 6' 7" 250 lb Michael Grant who had an incredible 86" reach!*
Puncher of The Century Earnie Shavers is known for being the hardest puncher in Heavyweight boxing history. He scored 69 knockout wins, including 23 in the first round. So powerful, both Joe Frazier and George Foreman told boxing writer Jerry Eisenberg they would never fight Shavers. Real fighters knew enough to avoid him. His incredible one punch power made him more than dangerous. George Foreman told him personally when Earnie lobbied for a fight, "hell no." Joe Frazier told Shavers bluntly when Shavers asked him for a shot, "No way, Earnie.” Hall of Fame and all time greats Ali and Holmes both said Shavers power, especially his one punch power, was simply unrivaled. But they, and others, also said a lot more.. Angelo Dundee, the great trainer, said "Earnie wasn't really a good boxer, but God, his power was amazing." Muhammad Ali said after his match with Shavers, "Earnie hit me so hard, he shook my kinfolk back in Africa" And when fighters had to meet him, they left in awe. Tex Cobb said "Earnie could punch you in the neck with his right hand and break your ankle." He also said, "if a man hit any harder than Earnie I'd shoot him." Ron Lyle: "Hey man, that's the hardest I've ever been hit in my life. And George Foreman could punch, but none of them could hit like Earnie Shavers did. When he hit you, the lights went out. I can laugh about it now, but at the time it wasn't funny." Larry Holmes, comparing Shavers to Tyson, said "Earnie hit me harder than any other fighter, including Mike Tyson. He hit me and I was face down on the canvas hearing saxophonist Jimmy Tillis." Jimmy Young, who was knocked cold by Shavers in his first fight, but survived the second, said "I was not gonna get tagged by him again, no sir!" Nor were fighters and trainers the only ones who saw and marveled at Shavers sheer overwhelming power. Hall of Fame sports journalist Jerry Izenberg said of Shavers, "rarely did Earnie hit anyone below the neck; he was a headhunter and a good one. For me, Shavers was the greatest one-punch hitter I have ever seen." "However, while Shavers struck serious fear into his opponents, such freakishly big hitting power had its drawbacks for the man himself," said Kenny Rainford. “Being such a big puncher actually hurt my career,” says Shavers. “I relied on my power too much. I wish I’d had trainers that could have taught me more about combination punches." “I used to gas out in five or six rounds because I put that much effort into my punches and it was impossible to punch for an entire fight without tiring out." In the years that followed, Rainford met Ali and asked him about the famous fight with Shavers. “I can not remember the last round of our fight,” Ali admitted. “He hit me so hard that for fourteenth round, I was on autopilot. I can’t remember a thing. When I’ve watched the fight back, and see the way I rallied in the fifteenth round, I was doing that off memory.” Shavers reigned down on Ali with 266 punches that night. Afterwards, Rainford claims, the New York commission stated Ali would never fight in New York again after doctors discovered tears on his brain. Eig's study, conducted by Arizona State speech scientists Visar Berisha and Julie Liss found that Ali's speech slowed by 16 percent after a 15-round bout with Ernie Shavers in 1977. Shavers, a brawler, landed 266 punches throughout the fight. If one fight had to be picked, Ernie Shavers inflicted the most damage. Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again.
@@dylonmc1733 LMFAO. no one reads anything you write. You make up shit boy. You don't understand the times and the fighters. EVERYONE FOUGHT EVERYONE OVER AND OVER! THEY DIDNT CHERRY PICK FIGHTS LIKE TODAY AND AVOID EACH OTHER. HOLMES LOST TO LITTLE SPINKS. ALI LOST TO A SPINKS. VITALI LOST TO CHRIS BYRD. ROY JONES JR BEAT RUIZ AS A MIDDLE WEIGHT. SO WHAT. ANYONE CAN BEAT ANYONE. BOX ONCE IN YOUR SN LIFE BOY THEM YOU CAN SPEAk.
@@dylonmc1733OPINIONS ? your entire RACIST shit show is opinions, lies and manipulations. Racist rocky haters refuse facts and Cherry pick words and numbers. When you can't find or manipulate information you just make it up. ROCKY DESTROYED 4 ALL TIME GREATS. HE CLEANED OUT The DIVISION. GET OVER IT. EVERYONE WHO FOUGHT ROCKY including JOE LOUIS SAID HE WAS THE HARDEST PUNCHER EVER.
Using a lot of your other accounts to give a thumbs up on this one. In fact, I think its the most likes i've ever seen you give to one of your own posts
@@originalBobbyd lmfao. The goofy, racist troll has no idea how psychotic he looks. Looking back over many of his old posts I didn't realize how many people actually call him out while laughing at his nonsense. The guy must be a virgin or something..
Joe Frazier would recall in his autobiography 'Smokin' Joe: The Autobiography of a Heavyweight Champion of the World,' that: “Quarry had an appeal that made the public snap up tickets, 'Why not? He was a good-looking Irish kid with a nice smile and an engaging boy-next-door manner.'' Both Ring magazine and Boxing Illustrated named Jerry the most popular professional boxer in the world in 1968 and 1969. Why not, he was their white hope. Unfortunately it didn't work out the way they'd hoped it would. That's why Rocky fans are throwing Jerry under the bus. Problem with Rocky though is he was way too small, that's why his legacy is dieing out fast. 5' 9" 184 lbs give me a break. Prime for prime Jerry KO's Rocky.
Rocky was 184 lbs because he wanted to be. He trained his a$$ off to get down to that weight. When you are one of the strongest men to ever enter a boxing ring, as Rocky was, you can weigh 184 lbs
Wladimir Klitschko was more active than any recent Heavyweight champion, and he fought in a record 29 Heavyweight championship matches. He defended his title against all comers in four countries on three continents. He made 5 successful title defenses in his first reign as champion and an astonishing 18 in his second reign, which covered 12 years. Unfortunately haters must hate and Wlad is known more for 3 losses -- Puritty in 98,, Sanders in 03,, Brewster in 04 -- than for any of his wins. BUT he re-established himself after the loss to Brewster and reeled off 22 consecutive victories before ending his career with back to back losses to Fury and Joshua, dealing him his first losses in 11 years at the age of 40. He retired with a 64-5 record, a 25-4 mark in Heavyweight title fights and 53 knockouts. He never ducked anyone, but was never fully appreciated. He was a brilliant athlete, a magnificently proportioned and conditioned giant of a man. He weighed 245 pounds, stood 6 feet 6 inches with an 81 inch reach and a jab that may have been exceeded in Heavyweight history only by Holmes and Liston. He moved like a man much smaller, light on his feet and thanks to the tutelage of the late great Emanuel Steward, cut off the ring expertly. For all his greatness in the ring, though, what made Wlad special was his presence outside of it. He was a man of arts and letters, owner of a doctorate in sports science, a charitable man who tirelessly raised money for children and who fought for human rights around the world. In 2014, he famously stood shoulder-to-shoulder with his brother, leading anti-government protests in the Ukraine. He made the world a better place for many with his efforts, standing as a symbol of courage and defiance in the face of overwhelming political power. Today the Klitschko brothers proudly defend their country against Russia.
Wladimir Klitschko dominated Brewster through the course of the first four rounds, sending him to the canvas in the fourth; however, things turned around unusually fast in the fifth when Klitschko began tiring and Brewster's punches began backing him up. Not defending himself and leaning into ropes for support, Klitschko took a standing eight count. On unsteady legs, Klitschko fell to the canvas after the bell and the referee stopped the fight for his safety. When talking about the fight, Emmanuel Steward said: "Wladimir was in incredible shape. I've never seen anything like this in my career. I know what it looks like when a boxer is getting hurt from punches. There was definitely something else that caused problems for Wladimir". Shortly after the fight Klitschko was rushed into hospital. An examination showed Klitschko's blood sugar level almost two times higher than the permissible norm. According to members of Klitschko's team, the doctor told them that Klitschko had been "inches away" from falling into a diabetic coma, and that with blood sugar level that high, Klitschko would've been incapable of handling a single proper training session. After returning from the examination to the hotel, he fell ill with nausea, followed by physical weakness. On 12 April, he arrived in Las Vegas and donated blood and urine samples for an independent examination, which was supposed to be done by Donald Katlin, who specialized in such cases. The examination showed no signs of anabolic steroids in his blood, but Katlin suggested that Klitschko could have been poisoned with Haloperidol. The drug has no taste or smell and causes mental disorders, which are accompanied by impaired coordination, a weakening reaction and overall physical weakness. Following the results, Klitschko demanded the tests taken by the Medical Center of South Nevada and the Nevada Quest Diagnostics to be passed on to Dr. Robert Wow for further research, but the A sample had already been disposed of, while the B sample, which was supposed to be stored for years, disappeared. As a result of the circumstances that surrounded the fight, FBI started an investigation. Judd Bernstein, the lawyer representing Klitschko, suggested that he was a victim of an ongoing fight fixing in Las Vegas (which also included fraudulent medical reports), which was investigated by FBI at the time. Bernstein, along with some other journalists, pointed out that in the last 48 hours before the beginning of the fight, the betting odds in favor of Klitschko rapidly dropped from 11-to-1 to 3 1/2 to-1. According to journalist Keith Teixeira, a group of approximately 40 people associated with Brewster's manager Sam Simon bet from $50,000 to $100,000 on Brewster's victory. Members of Klitschko's team also pointed out that shortly before the fight, a security camera recorded a moment when two people entered Klitschko's booth and were there for four minutes. These people had badges, but weren't members of Wladimir's team. Wladimir's brother Vitali claimed that during registration of the boxer and his team, the card that belonged to Emmanuel Steward's assistant had already been registered on someone else, and that such card would allow its owner to enter any sporting hall in the building.
@@samuelstyles5031 what a load of crap, they KOed most everyone they fought and people love KO’s. You’re boring with your repetitiveness and your posts KO nobody. I loved watching them fight.
Miller - How many times as he been suspended for testing positive for banned substances? Zhang - He's 41 years old. Boxers are in their prime between the ages of 26-32. I know that because you said so. The fact that a senior citizen is a force in todays HW division is a clear indication of how weak the division must be
*"Joe Frazier decimated opponents with the left hook. George Foreman’s wrecking ball right hand struck fear into the heart of the Heavyweight division. Mike Tyson’s uppercut was as accurate as it was pulverizing. But for Larry Holmes, it was the stick, that face busting left jab that led to one of the most dominant title reigns the glamour division has ever seen."* - Tom Gray January 2020 Ring Magazine
@@original.Bobbyd Rocky hit harder than Joe Frazier with both hands!!! ROCKY HIT HARDER THAN ANYONE. Who said it? EVERYONE WHO WATCHED HIM FIGHT. I had to work a man over but with Rocky they just wake up in the locker room. Jack Dempsey. He hit harder than anyone even max smelling. Joe Louis. He had the hardest punch I ever saw! Floyd Patterson and Bert Suger. ROCKY HIT HARDER THAN ANYONE INCLUDING SHAVERS Don Turner...
@@dylonmc1733 Well in the annals of Boxing. What Larry Holmes said about Rocky Marciano not being a good enough Boxer to carry his Shorts is Demonstrably True. It's also true Larry Holmes was Robbed twice By the White establishment in the Michael Spinks fight. Larry Holmes was robbed to punish him for saying. Rocky Marciano was Not a very good fighter and Highly overrated. I love your comments 💯❗
Famed boxing historian Bert Sugar on Rocky Marciano He had a suzy Q, the greatest right hand in the history of boxing Bert Sugar ruclips.net/video/3YQUzIgiIhs/видео.html
@Bobby.D.1776 LMFAO. I can't even finish your angry, jealous, racist rantings. It's just freaking stupider and more obnoxious. ROCKY KOd EVERYONE OF HIS TITLE OPPONENTS AND RETIRED WITH THE HIGHEST KO RATIO IN HISTORY UNTIL VITALI KLISTSCO CAME ALONG HALF A CENTURY LATER. ROCKY WAS NEVER BEATEN AND YOUR JEALOUS RAGE RAMBLINGS CANT CHANGE THAT.
@Bobby.D.1776 LMFAO HAAAA HAAAAA HAAAAAA HAAAAA EVERYONE WHO FOUGHT ROCKY OR SAW HIM FIGHT SAID HE HIT HARDER THAN EVERYONE INCLUDING ERNIE SHAVERS!!! INCLUDING JOE LOUIS, , BERT SUGER, FLOYD PATTERSON, WALCOTT, JACK DEMSEY, CHARLES AND MOORE BUT YOU THINK YOUR ANGRY RACIST TROLL RANTS CHANGES THAT!!! HAAA HAAAA HAAAAA HAAAAAA HAAAAA HAAAAAA A
Mike Tyson said ROCKY LOVED TO FIGHT AND ONCE HE GOT STARTED HE WAS UNBEATABLE. He also said IM HONORED TO BE PLACED IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS ROCKY AND JE HAD POWER AND SKILLS UNMEASURABLE OFF PAPER...
Larry Holmes made 20 defenses of the Heavyweight title over a seven year reign. Holmes is considered to have the best jab in history. He could use it as an offensive weapon to make openings for his slashing right hand. Larry possessed a rock hard chin, huge heart, and excellent stamina. He fought pro from 73 to 02. That's 29 years. He was 52. Rocky only fought 7 years and was only 31 when he Quit. Little Rocky would have to fight 22 more years to catch Larry. *"If you really want to get technical about the whole thing, Rocky couldn't carry my jock strap."* - Larry Holmes
6' 5" 235 lb Undisputed Heavyweight Champion Riddick Bowe with 81" reach had a career 43 wins 1 loss. At his peak he was an excellent fundamental boxer, had a great chin, power in both hands, could fight inside or out, as you please. He would have been a stern test for any fighter who ever lived. Bowe was the first boxer to beat prime Holyfield and the only one to actually knock him out. After Bowe gave Holyfield his first loss, making him champion, he built a mansion and lost all interest in boxing. Bowe was finished long before the Golata fights. Trainer Eddie Futch said, *"Riddick had more untapped potential than any fighter he had ever known."* Prime Riddick smashes little Rocky 10 out of 10 times and that's not debatable!!!
You never know..Marciano was known to have bone-crushing power, incredible stamina and a granite chin..He was small like Tyson..5' 10" but the three traits above gave him a good chance against anyone. That being said Bowe was a great champ and a helluva fighter in his prime.
@@Stout_Krout Around 1955, Rocky Marciano had his punch measured at a USA military installation, where it is believed that the test was conducted on a ballistic pendulum. Rocky achieved a score of 925 foot-pounds whilst wearing a 12oz. boxing glove. Those who witnessed the test could hardly believe what they had seen.
*Ike Ibeabuchi vs. David Tua threw 91 punches in round one according to CompuBox, 91 again in round two, and 95 in round three, obscene numbers for a Super Heavyweight. By the final bell, Ibeabuchi and Tua had combined to throw 1,730 punches, breaking the Heavyweight record set by Ali vs. Frazier III, when they combined for 1,591 punches - in 14 rounds, two rounds more than Ibeabuchi and Tua had to work with. Ike threw 975 punches, the most ever by a single Heavyweight. Both fighters had a brawling fight style, they were both 24 years old at the time of this epic battle and they were both undefeated going in to this fight. 226 lb Tua's record stood at 27-0 23 KO's while 236 lb Ibeabuchi's record stood at 16-0 12 KO's. This fight is the stuff that dreams were made of. Two Super Heavyweight warriors stood toe to toe exhibiting exceptional heart and endurance. Both boxers threw bombs and neither took a backward step.* *21 months later, 245 lb Ibeabuchi confirmed that he was indeed the best up and coming Super Heavyweight on the planet by knocking out undefeated 26-0 quick and slick southpaw Chris Byrd. Ibeabuchi was now 20-0 with 15 KO's and only 26 years old.* (Byrd would later become two-time Heavyweight champion). *No Heavyweight of his generation possessed more ability. He was a prodigy. He had amazing power, fierce determination and no fear of anybody. He believed that he was the King, that nobody could beat him. He’d walk into the ring and you would almost have this vision of a bull coming at a matador with the steam coming out of the nostrils.* *((To claim little Marciano's endurance was better than everyone else's endurance is not only laughable but absurd and Super Heavyweights Ibeabuchi/Tua just proved it when they threw a record breaking 1,730 haymakers! The way Rocky fans go on and on about how he's the best conditioned fighter that ever lived is absolute nonsense. So Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Marvin Hagler, Manny Pacquiao, David Tua and Ike Ibeabuchi never trained? What a Joke. Little 184 lb Marciano gets flattened by the 245 lb prodigy Ibeabuchi 10 out of 10 times and that's not debatable!!!))*
Rocky threw one punch and had no idea what a combination was. He was mafia controlled and he was beaten once it just was a bad decision by the judges, see mafia controlled comment
Little Rocky's style will play into Liston’s Giant hands, as it will violate one of boxing’s holy grail rules and that is, “never slug with a bigger slugger.” Especially when that slugger’s name is Sonny Liston; simply put Liston does it all better than Rocky and also has height weight and major reach advantage. I can see Liston’s jab being an even more formidable weapon than usual in this matchup as he won’t have to go looking for Rocky. To put the concept of reach into perspective, you have Liston with a monster 84” reach compared to little Rocky's 67” reach- this would be decisive. I would favour Liston in a big way. Marciano gets flattened faster than Patterson!
Sonny Liston was a quitter. He got a little lumped up by little thin light hitting Muhammad Ali cried look at him on his stool. He’s crying he’s a little lumped up Rocky would break his soul Rocky Marciano doesn’t have to prove list and has to prove in both of Lon’s biggest moments on the world stage, he shit the bed totally shit the bed. Liston has to prove he can perform in a big fight but he couldn’t when it counted.
I saw all of his televised fights that exist on film and I saw all his fights in person in M.S.G. I sat ringside for Quarry v Shavers, Frazier, Lyle, Chuvalo but the one that amazed me the most was his KO over Shavers.
Puncher of The Century Earnie Shavers is known for being the hardest puncher in Heavyweight boxing history. He scored 69 knockout wins, including 23 in the first round. So powerful, both Joe Frazier and George Foreman told boxing writer Jerry Eisenberg they would never fight Shavers. Real fighters knew enough to avoid him. His incredible one punch power made him more than dangerous. George Foreman told him personally when Earnie lobbied for a fight, "hell no." Joe Frazier told Shavers bluntly when Shavers asked him for a shot, "No way, Earnie.” Hall of Fame and all time greats Ali and Holmes both said Shavers power, especially his one punch power, was simply unrivaled. But they, and others, also said a lot more.. Angelo Dundee, the great trainer, said "Earnie wasn't really a good boxer, but God, his power was amazing." Muhammad Ali said after his match with Shavers, "Earnie hit me so hard, he shook my kinfolk back in Africa" And when fighters had to meet him, they left in awe. Tex Cobb said "Earnie could punch you in the neck with his right hand and break your ankle." He also said, "if a man hit any harder than Earnie I'd shoot him." Ron Lyle: "Hey man, that's the hardest I've ever been hit in my life. And George Foreman could punch, but none of them could hit like Earnie Shavers did. When he hit you, the lights went out. I can laugh about it now, but at the time it wasn't funny." Larry Holmes, comparing Shavers to Tyson, said "Earnie hit me harder than any other fighter, including Mike Tyson. He hit me and I was face down on the canvas hearing saxophonist Jimmy Tillis." Jimmy Young, who was knocked cold by Shavers in his first fight, but survived the second, said "I was not gonna get tagged by him again, no sir!" Nor were fighters and trainers the only ones who saw and marveled at Shavers sheer overwhelming power. Hall of Fame sports journalist Jerry Izenberg said of Shavers, "rarely did Earnie hit anyone below the neck; he was a headhunter and a good one. For me, Shavers was the greatest one-punch hitter I have ever seen." "However, while Shavers struck serious fear into his opponents, such freakishly big hitting power had its drawbacks for the man himself," said Kenny Rainford. “Being such a big puncher actually hurt my career,” says Shavers. “I relied on my power too much. I wish I’d had trainers that could have taught me more about combination punches." “I used to gas out in five or six rounds because I put that much effort into my punches and it was impossible to punch for an entire fight without tiring out." In the years that followed, Rainford met Ali and asked him about the famous fight with Shavers. “I can not remember the last round of our fight,” Ali admitted. “He hit me so hard that for fourteenth round, I was on autopilot. I can’t remember a thing. When I’ve watched the fight back, and see the way I rallied in the fifteenth round, I was doing that off memory.” Shavers reigned down on Ali with 266 punches that night. Afterwards, Rainford claims, the New York commission stated Ali would never fight in New York again after doctors discovered tears on his brain. Eig's study, conducted by Arizona State speech scientists Visar Berisha and Julie Liss found that Ali's speech slowed by 16 percent after a 15-round bout with Ernie Shavers in 1977. Shavers, a brawler, landed 266 punches throughout the fight. If one fight had to be picked, Ernie Shavers inflicted the most damage. Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again.
During the deepest era in light heavyweight history Gold Medalist Undisputed Undefeated HOF ATG GOAT Michael Spinks beat Eddie Mustafa Muhammad, Dwight Muhammad Qawi, and knocked out Yaqui Lopes and Marvin Johnson. Which was not easy to do in their primes. Michael also beat Heavyweight champion Larry Holmes to win the title, who was also undefeated. Michael Spinks is the most accomplished light heavyweight in history.. Even Archie Moore himself said, *"Michael Spinks Would Have An Edge Over Ezzard Charles."* -@ Rare Archie Moore Interview LH Charles lost *(25)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times! LH Moore lost *(23)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times! *LH Gold Medalist Undisputed Undefeated Hall of Fame All Time Great Michael Spinks 'NEVER LOST'!!!*
@Bobby.D.1776 What a joke you are. Archie Moore started fighting in 1935 and was almost 50 in 1963 when he retired. He fought 220 times ,186 wins 23 losses and 10 draws. Also Mr know it all he knocked out 132 men. Yet you denigrate one of the 3 greatest light heavyweight champions of all time??? What a dope you are. Most of his losses were against men who were heavyweight champions or would become HW champs. Plus he was past 35 for most of his losses. Michael Spinks did not beat Larry Holmes that was a fix from the word go. Especially the second fight. Spinks is definitely a top ten light heavyweight but he pales in comparison to Moore or Charles. You also probably didn't know Charles was much better as a light heavyweight than heavyweight. Also after Charles killed Sam Baroudi he was never the same. Ezzard also KOed 52 men which is over twice as many as Spinks (21) oh let's remember that the last image we saw of Spinks he was being brutalized by Tyson. At least when Moore lost to Marciano he got up 3 times and also dropped Marciano in the second. The ref screwed up by giving a standing 8 to Marciano but oh well. Please remember Qawi ( Braxton)and Muhammad were both on coke when Spinks beat them.
I've only lately come across Jerry Quarry as I was a little too young to remember him at his best. I'm glad to have seen some of his fights. What an exciting and skillfull fighter. May he rest in peace.
*Vitali Klitschko 6' 7″ 250 lbs KOs 87% with 80" reach only lost twice due to horrible cut and torn rotator cuff. He never hit the canvas and was never behind on judges scorecards after the 2nd round. He had excellent power with granite chin and great determination with PhD-intelligence. Vitali would have been a Huge factor in any era. Prime Vitali puts little 5' 9" 184 lb Rocky into a nursing home, permanently.*
@@axia6372 he listed quite a few boxers that would have destroyed Rocky so call it what you will. Just cause now it’s a Klitschko, you hater boys have to come out of the woodwork
*For 9 years from 1955 to 1964 Liston decimated his division. There were 14 fighters at the top during Sonny’s time who flatly refused to fight him:* Hall of Fame undisputed Heavyweight Champion Joe Frazier (Joe accepted, his management said hell no, and vetoed it). Hall of Fame undisputed Heavyweight Champion Ingemar Johannson refused to fight Sonny. Bob Foster (light heavyweight Champion but fought for the Heavyweight title twice) refused. WBA Heavyweight Champion Ernie Terrell refused to fight Sonny. WBA Heavyweight Champion Jimmy Ellis refused to fight Sonny. Bob Baker declined too. So did Henry Cooper, who said: “I don't even want to see him walking down the street, let alone in a gym!” Karl Mildenberger declined as well. Jerry Quarry (his father refused to make the fight). Tommy Jackson refused. Doug Jones did too. Harold Carter did as well. So did Joe Erskine and Bob Cleroux. *That is 14 top fighters who refused to fight Sonny, including 4 Champions.* *Sonny is the most ducked fighter in boxing history.* *On the other hand Rocky was "'NEVER'" ducked.* *Moore, Walcott and LaStarza repeatedly petitioned to fight Rocky for years. EVERYONE wanted to fight Rocky bcz he couldn't hurt you the way Sonny could.* *Little Rocky didn't even come close to cleaning out his division.* *He ducked Marty Marshall, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Bivins, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith, Clarence Henry, Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard, Jackson, Bucceroni and Baker just to name a few.*
Student. Great comment. I’m 58. My dad used to say everyone crapped their pants with Liston. He said his jab was like a piston. He could never be convinced the 2 Ali fights weren’t fixed.
I’m from Bayonne. Wepner didn’t duck Sonny. Chuck was Sonny’s last fight. Went 9 rounds. 10-round fight. I’d work out at the YMCA while Chuck was there. He was good friends with my dad, who boxed and who was a longshoreman then a detective then a bar owner. I’m sure he and Chuck, who was a liquor salesman, talked about Liston. Chuck trained at Buffano’s in Jersey City. Liston would train there from time to time. I’m sure they sparred.
Jerry Quarry was my favorite boxer during my teen years. He was a very talented boxer and a charismatic person. It was terrible to see this fine athlete deteriorate as he did. Nonetheless, he provided sports fans with many exciting and memorable moments in what was a very competitive era in heavyweight boxing history. Lastly, I do not believe that he could have beaten Rocky Marciano.
@@SamuelJohnYoungIII 178 to 188 lb tiny cruiser Marciano's opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire-CAREER record, not a partial record.* Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Pro boxers can easily be evaluated using grades *A, B, C, D, F* which has been used for decades: Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL* Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL* Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 7 losses *F-LEVEL* Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Haft career record 12 wins 7 losses *F-LEVEL* James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL* Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL* Harold Mitchell career record 7 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL* Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 14 losses *F-LEVEL* Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL* Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL* Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL* Jimmy Walls career record 21 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL* Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL* Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL* Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL* Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL* Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL* Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL* Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL* Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL* Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.* Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.* Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.* Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.* Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?* Roland LaStarza *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza Refused fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Valdez, Satterfield, Bivins, Maxim, Henry, Baker, Johnson, Pompey, Marshall, Smith, Sheppard etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much! Rex Layne *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf. Joe Walcott *C-LEVEL.* Walcott's losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins!!! The fact that Walcott was granted (6) title attempts in a (5) year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time!!! And (4) of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss!!! Archie Moore *A-LEVEL* MW/LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him, and 188 lb tiny cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D. Ezzard Charles *A-LEVEL* LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights, and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano There it is. Y'all are intelligent enough to make your own judgement about Rocky's *F-LEVEL* resume. Who did he fight? Walcott was 40, Moore 42, Charles had ALS and Louis was washed. To continue claiming he was the Greatest or even top 10 Greatest Heavyweight is absurd. It's no wonder Hall of Fame trainer Emanuel Steward said, *"Marciano was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10", exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. 188 lbs was just too small."* @ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight *"Name one, just one 'Prime' all time great boxer Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore Louis was 'Prime' when they fought him?"*
Floyd Patterson wrote in Victory Over Myself: *“I loved Cus, but he was not going to let me fight the best because he was afraid I was going to lose. I decided a Champion had to face everyone, even if he loses, and I felt better despite the losses."* Ironically, even though he lost to Liston and never regained the title, he is still ranked in the top 20 heavyweights of all time precisely because he fired Cus, and fought real contenders, rolling up a record worthy of the Hall of Fame. After he fired Cus, Floyd faced: Muhammad Ali Sonny Liston Eddie Machen Henry Cooper Jimmy Ellis Oscar Bonavena Jerry Quarry George Chuvalo *"I decided a Champion had to face everyone, even if he loses."* (SOMETHING MARCIANO NEVER DID) Marciano knew he'd have to eventually confront Cleveland Williams, Johansson, Patterson, Liston, Machen, Folley, Valdez, Cooper, Miteff, London, Mildenberger, Jones, Terrell, Chuvalo, Clay, Bonavena, Quarry, Martin and Ellis just to name a few. *EVERYBODY coulda found out how Marciano woulda done against all these guys had he not Up-n-Quit so abruptly after a measley (7) years while everyone else was fighting (15) to (25) years. For Pete's sake he was only 31 his last fight.*
I like Quarry. I remember him when I was a kid and having dabbled in boxing myself and consider myself a decent historian of the sport, no way Quarry beats Marciano. I don't know why people always say Quarry was a talented fighter. He was easy to hit, so he was not a good boxer, and he only KO'D 32 out of 53, Marciano 43 out of 49. Quarry had 9 losses 6 by Ko, Marciano 0 losses. Marciano was the best-conditioned heavyweight in history. He could throw non-stop punches for 15 rounds. That would have been too much for Quarry. Was Quarry a talented fighter? No, he was a very tough fighter with a tremendous heart. Was Marciano a talented fighter? No, he was a tough fighter with tremendous heart, superbly conditioned and a great puncher with both hands.
You are right especially if he went toe to toe like he did with frazier.His best strategy would have been would have been to box, stick and move and counter punch. The problem is quarry had a stamina problem, getting tired in later rounds and Rocky would eventually land one.
I disagree. I think you're under valuing Quarry's ring skills. He could not only hit hard, but he could counterpunch and box fairly well. Check out his fight with Ron Lyle. Problem was that in some fights, he wasn't in top condition. Like the Norton fight where Jerry had hardly any training for, but took it for the money. Norton, on the other hand, was in peak shape. I think that Quarry would've given Marciano a good fight. Clearly, we'll never know who wins such a bout, but I'd give the edge to Quarry. That is if Jerry was in the same condition he was in for Lyle and Shavers. Also, I'd add that Quarry's opposition was tougher. Cheers.
I always liked Jerry Quarry & rooted for him to win. He gave it his all in the ring in every bout he fought! Unfortunately for Jerry he just couldn’t win the big one. RIP Jerry Quarry..
Soft spoken Lennox Lewis at his best was the total package. The last undisputed Heavyweight champion emerged as cream of the crop against some of the biggest punchers in Heavyweight history. Lennox avenged his only two defeats by knockout. He didn't make excuses for his losses, he said, *"It's Heavyweights, you can get caught, but i won the rematches in style,"* and *"Show me a Heavyweight champion without a loss and i'll show you a fighter that fought a lot of nobodies."* In my opinion 59 year old Lennox Lewis is the GOAT. To hear him talk so clearly and eloquently after going up against 18 Heavyweight Champions is remarkable. The 18 HW Champions Lewis faced: *Vitali Klitschko, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Shannon Briggs, Frank Bruno, Tony Tucker, Hasim Rahman, Oliver McCall, Mike Weaver, Henry Akinwande, Tommy Morrison and Ray Mercer were later recognized as WBO champions, British HW champion Gary Mason, European HW champion Jean Chanet, Commonwealth HW champion Derek Williams, Canada HW champion Razor Ruddock, IBF/WBF HW champion Michael Grant and WBC International HW champion David Tua* [[ technically not all were 'World' champions but champions nonetheless ]] *Other notable mentions; Olympic HW Silver medalist Riddick Bowe, Olympic HW Gold medalist Tyrell Briggs, Andrew Golota, Zeljko Mavrovic, Frans Botha and Phil Jackson* How many prime topnotch genuine 200+lbs Heavyweight and 224+lbs Super Heavyweight Champions did little 184 lb Rocky fight? Imagine little Rocky trying to fight topnotch Super Heavyweights with 80" to 86" albatross wingspans and 30 to 100 lb weight advantages? I'm sorry Heavyweight was only 175 back then bcz it sure as hell ain't today. It's no wonder Emanuel Steward, an American boxer, trainer, and proven boxing Genius who trained 41 world champion fighters throughout his career said, *"Marciano was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10", exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. 188 lbs was just too small."* @ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight It's amazing the way Rocky fans belittle Lennox for losing twice yet they always fail to mention the *((753))* losses Rocky's opponents had? Why is that? For Pete's sake *((753))* losses is astronomical. Why so many? *"In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results-The real stumble-bums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time boxing, the less-talented fighter often gets most of the cash. He is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably and helping other fighters pad their records."* --The Ring Magazine by Andy Bowers
Hall of Fame sports journalist Jerry Izenberg said of Shavers, "rarely did Earnie hit anyone below the neck; he was a headhunter and a good one. For me, Shavers was the greatest one-punch hitter I have ever seen."
So powerful, both Joe Frazier and George Foreman told boxing writer Jerry Eisenberg they would never fight Shavers. Real fighters knew enough to avoid him. His incredible one punch power made him more than dangerous. George Foreman told him personally when Earnie lobbied for a fight, "hell no." Joe Frazier told Shavers bluntly when Shavers asked him for a shot, "No way, Earnie.”
The night Jerry outboxed Ron Lyle was Jerry at his best .After that Foreman would not give hom a shot.Also Jerry fought Joe Frazier 2 with a brolen left hand which he got in his fight with Shavers I saw his left hand at his training camp being wrapped by Gill Clancy.. The middle knucle was extremly disdended and he had no power. with the left hook in the second Frazier fight.
That's correct. Jerry literally gave his life to the sport of boxing. Disregard all the haters. They're all Rocky fangirls. Prime for prime Jerry woulda KO'd Rocky.
The story of Liston winning the title from Patterson, memorizing a thank-you speech to deliver when he arrived back home (memorized because he couldn’t read) and then realizing nobody was waiting for him at the airport, and how crushed he was... fuckin' sad, man.
The U.S. Testing Co. was asked to measure the power of Sonny Liston's wallop. Its findings: *"Liston's knockout blow packs more explosive energy than a 50 caliber armour-piercing bullet and represents as much energy as would be required to spot lift 2,000 pounds one foot off the ground."* - Ring Magazine 1959
Quarry was a very good fighter. He had good power in both hands, moved well and had an iron chin. His biggest weakness was his defense .... or lack thereof. He tended to "pose" too often thus taking too many unnecessary shots over his career. In one way his iron chin was terrific, but that strength also led to his long-term downfall.
Jonathan Eig wrote of Sonny in Ali: A Life: “Liston does not merely defeat his opponents. He breaks them, shames them, haunts them, leaves them flinching from his punches in their dreams."
Rocky would have Broke this guy up and knock him out in the later rounds. Rocky's conditioning was unreal, he would be fighting just as hard in the 10th round as the 1st. Very few fighters could stay with him. He had a unique awkward style that actually took advantage of his short arms and he hit like a jackhammer. He would spend 3hrs a day hitting a custom made 250 lb Heavy Bag while training for fights.
William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness and some numbness in his limbs as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano
I've always loved Quarry, he was unlucky in timing I guess you'd say. He was much better than several fighter's who luckily got the belt for a fight or 2, which I believe he very well could have done. That said, because of mentality and conditioning, there's no chance he beats a Rocky Marciano who came on similar to Frazier, but hit harder and was more conditioned.
Quarry would have ruled the 1950s heavyweight divison. He had good hand speed, a great chin and a high ring IQ. With no 210 pound quality heavyweights around, who would stop him?
Hall of Fame and All Time Greats Ali and Holmes both said Shavers power, especially his one punch power, was simply unrivaled. Angelo Dundee said "Earnie wasn't really a good boxer, but God, his power was amazing."
QUARRY WOULD HAVE EASILY BEATEN MARCIANO. MARCIANO WOULD HAVE NEVER GOTTEN IN THE RING WITH A YOUNG DUDE WHO COUULD PUNCH, HE NEVER FACED ELIGHT TALENT
Sonny had an 84" albatross reach. Rocky had a-stubby 67" reach. A 17" reach advantage is a tall order to overcome, but when the man with the reach advantage is the most fearsome puncher in history it’s insurmountable.
*According to Marciano himself, Muhammad Ali would have won. Rocky said three boxers in his lifetime were a bridge too far for him, a young Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, and Ali. Louis for hand speed and power, Ali for pure speed, and Liston for technical excellence and pure brute strength.* - Rocky Marciano, Mike Stanton, Johnathan Eig and Fight City *"Marciano admitted he could not beat prime Louis, Ali and Liston."* - Monte D. Cox Boxing Historian This information is HUGE and settles any debate as to who could beat who *!!!!*
Puncher of The Century Earnie Shavers 76-14-1 with 77% KOs is known for being the hardest puncher in Heavyweight boxing history. He scored 70 knockout wins, including 23 in the first round. Ron Lyle and Muhammad Ali ranked Shavers as the hardest puncher they ever faced. Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again.
I saw Jerry fight Chuvalo at the Garden and Joe Alexander at the Nassau Coliseum. I was ringside for the Chuvalo fight as a guest of former welterweight Freddie Menna. Jerry was beating Chuvalo handily till the knockdown. Jerry didn't have a problem with the bigger slower heavyweights like Lyle, Foster and Shavers. The guys with great hand speed like Ali and Frazier gave him big problems. RIP Jerry
Marciano said his best weight he ever fought at was, "186lbs." Tyson was 220lbs at his fastest & best. About 235lbs at his heaviest. Rocky didn't have the speed or footwork to keep Tyson away or the skill or technique to keep him off. And saying that Rocky was tough… well,, tough can get you killed in the ring against a super power puncher with superior skills. This fight wouldn't last 2 rounds with a prime Tyson. And a non-prime Tyson would still be heavier and stronger. Rocky never faced anyone of merit who was near their prime. You wouldn't want Tyson to be your first. Bigger, faster, stronger. With malicious intent. No way Rocky would beat a prime Iron Mike.
Jerry Quarry would be a small cruiserweight today a weight class that didn't exist in his day. Jerry beat Ron Lyle Earnie Shavers Buster Mathis Mac Foster Floyd Patterson.
In the years that followed, Rainford met Ali and asked him about the famous fight with Shavers, “I can not remember the last round of our fight,” Ali admitted. “He hit me so hard that for fourteenth round, I was on autopilot. I can’t remember a thing. When I’ve watched the fight back, and see the way I rallied in the fifteenth round, I was doing that off memory.” Shavers reigned down on Ali with 266 punches that night. Afterwards, Rainford claims, the New York commission stated Ali would never fight in New York again after doctors discovered tears on his brain. Eig's study, conducted by Arizona State speech scientists Visar Berisha and Julie Liss found that Ali's speech slowed by 16 percent after a 15-round bout with Ernie Shavers in 1977. Shavers, a brawler, landed 266 punches throughout the fight. If one fight had to be picked, Ernie Shavers inflicted the most damage.
I think Quarry might have beaten Marciano. Jerry was a bit bigger and just as strong. Marciano fought in an era with very little talent, while Quarry fought in the greatest era ever.
I believe Rocky would have won, because as great as his punching power was, his stamina and toughness were even greater. But I would not say Quarry doesn't have a chance, because Jerry did so well in his career against some of the most dangerous ko punchers the heavyweight division has ever had. His wins over Shavers, Lyle, and Foster when those three looked liked Killers in their prime spoke volumes of Quarry's ability to beat the best. Even money I take Rocky. Give me good betting odds and I would take a chance on Quarry
@@jasondierbeck4392 *I know, i know, Rocky fans still believe that little 184 lb Rocky with tiny flyweight reach could beat every Super Heavyweight that ever existed with ease because he was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive and able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,000 teeth and ruptured 792 blood vessels. And of course how can we possibly forget the 22 opponent's he killed with his 'Suzie Q' 44 magnum. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god because when he walked the earth shook.*
@@Stout_Krout ok, so you think Quarry would have won. Maybe . I said Quarry had a chance. But Rocky is more underrated than overrated. He is 6-0 with 5 KOs against four HOF fighters. We're they old, yes. But Jersey was the Champion and fighting at a high level at the time. Charles was highly ranked in two divisions. Archie was the best light heavyweight in the world and was probably actually bigger than Rocky at fight time. And Joe Louis at the time he fought Rocky was still imo better than Jerry Quarry. I just don't see how you can be so sure that Quarry is better than Rocky?
That actually says rocky was good for him to even acknowledge him. Why is it when Joe Fraizer and Ali say rocky was better than them you never quote them? Holmes says Mike Tyson was too small. LMFAO he destroyed Holmes. He didn't have a chance of rocky like the commentator of this video said.
Not a chance not a chance, Jerry Cory I never knew you said that till now not even a chance easy pickings you couldn’t handle Frasier and Fraser only had a threat on one side think of an elite level athlete of a major league baseball player, and he only asked to look for one pitch from a major league pitcher that was Frasier. You only had to look for one pitch the left side that’s it. You couldn’t even get close to getting by him. Rocky Marciano was a two fisted attack much more lethal than FrasierCory, you were a good fighter not a great fighter a fighter your best day Rocky with a blue blue
@@dylonmc1733 LMFAO!!!! He PAID FOR EVERYONES EXPENSES!!! HE BURIED JOE LOUIS AND GAVE HIM MONEY THE REST OF HIS LIFE. HE PAID VINGO AND EZZARD CHARLES EXPENSES. HE ONLY RETIRED BECAUSE HE DISCOVERED HIS MANAGER WAS TAKING HALF HIS MONEY BEFORE DEDUCTIONS BECAUSE HE DID A CHARITY FOR A CHURCH BUT HIS MANAGER STILL CHARGED A FEE..
@@ScottHendrix-yz3du u know absolutely nothing about Rocky. He didn't pay anyone's expenses. Don't believe? Ask Rocky's nephew above. It's one thing to defend Rocky but it's another when u must continuously lie.
Ali scored 164 points Louis scored 138 Wladimir 136 Lennox 111 Holyfield 109 Holmes 88 Foreman 86 Frazier 84 Tyson 77 Marciano only scored an abysmal 48 points! Ali is the only Heavyweight Champ with an A+LEVEL (@ Top 10 Heavyweights from Rummy's Corner) (also @ The Ring Magazines Annual Ratings) *Rocky only scored 48 points for his top-10 yearly annual ranked appearances throughout his very short seven year career.* *If that doesn't explain how weak he was compared to all the other Heavyweights then nothing ever will.*
I happen to be a big fan of Jerry Quarry. Liked his style, his guts & Irish determination. But, I've seen his fights & I doubt he could've defeated the likes of Rocky Marciano. Jerry was a bleeder. He lost some of his most important fights with lots of fight spirit still in his fists & standing -- but he was stopped by a TKO. Rocky Marciano would not have been a good idea unless Jerry got really lucky early & KO artists like Jersey Joe Walcott & Ezzard Charles failed. Rocky's endurance, stamina & strength was overwhelming. He trained much harder than average heavyweights & that was the key everyone seems to forget. He was fresh even in the late rounds (Look at the Walcott fight). That's scary & during the fight, he always came forward with fists firing away and with speed. You seldom see this today. He never clinches or allows it. Never appears tired. Quarry would have the heart to fight Rocky & the experience -- especially doing well in the early rounds -- but he wouldn't have the resilience once he started getting hit with those solid Marciano punches. Even Roland LaStarza admitted that wherever Rocky hit it hurt (Joe Louis echoed the same thing a few years later). Marciano sent LaStarza, a formidable puncher at the time, to the hospital with broken bones in his face after knocking him out of the ring. It makes me sad what happened to Jerry Quarry. This is a boxer deserving of the heavyweight crown. He was a great fighter. Gave Ali a lot of trouble & Ali gave him chances. Peculiar, that Sonny Liston who was still fighting at the time never signed on the dotted line to meet Jerry Quarry. Just a thought.
Jerry Quarry gave his all in the ring during a time when you had some of the greatest heavyweights of all time AT THE SAME TIME at their peaks …Quarry fought 3 of the best in Ali, Frazier and later Norton. Joe Frazier when asked about Quarry said “Jerry came to FIGHT!” Jerry was the first of the white hopes since Marciano and was followed up decades later by Cooney. ***If you could’ve packaged Jerry’s ability to FIGHT with Cooney’s size and hitting power the dreams of all of those fans clamoring for a white heavyweight champ would’ve come true. >The closest to that was Gerrie Coetzee who KO’d Dokes in 1983 …Coetzee didn’t fully fill the void because he was South African.
Chuvalo was before Quarry. His record was not as good but after the Doug Jones KO he was the first White hope for fighting Ali before being outpointed by Floyd at MSG.
Zora Folley, then #1 contender for the heavyweight title said when Liston hit him: “The lights went out, when I woke up I asked Sonny what happened and he said 'I hit you"
1946 *(Rocky's amateur bouts)* 1. April 15, 1946 Henry Lester *(L-DQ3)* 2. August 23, Frederic L. Ross KO-1 3. August 23, Richard Jarvis KO-1 4. August 23, Joe DeAngelis *(Loss-3)* 1947 5. January 17, Jim Connolly KO 1 6. Jan 17, Bob Girard *(Loss-3)* *1947-03-17 Professional Lee Epperson fights Amateur Rocky Mack aka Rocky Marciano. Then Rocky goes back to the amateurs Jan, Feb, March 1948.* 1948 *(Rocky's back to amateur bouts)* 7. Jan 26, Joe Sidlaskis KO-1 8. February Charlie Mortimer KO-3 9. February George McInnis TKO-1 10. March 1, Coley Wallace *(Loss-3)* 11. March Fred Fischera KO 12. March George McGinnis W-3 *1948-07-12 Professional Harry Bilazarian fights Rocky Marciano. Don Cuoco & Don Cogswell just started legal proceedings to remove the Rocky Mack fight vs. Lee Epperson bcz once Professional you cannot go back to the amateurs.* Louis Bravely fought *(17)* years...........Rocky only *(7)* years Walcott Bravely fought *(23)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years Charles Bravely fought *(20)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years Moore Bravely fought *(27)* years.........Rocky only *(7)* years Savold Bravely fought *(19)* years........Rocky only *(7)* years Matthews Bravely fought *(19)* years...Rocky only *(7)* years LaStarza Bravely fought *(14)* years.....Rocky only *(7)* years Cockell Bravely fought *(10)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years Lowry Bravely fought *(16)* years.........Rocky only *(7)* years
Quarry got ragdolled twice by Frazier, who had a similar style to Marciano only he didn't hit as hard. Him saying he would beat the Rock is dubious at best
Larry Holmes, comparing Shavers to Tyson, said "Earnie hit me harder than any other fighter, including Mike Tyson. He hit me and I was face down on the canvas hearing saxophonist Jimmy Tillis."
I'm not sure Quarry would have beaten Marciano but I think Marciano would have had a difficult time if he'd fought in Quarry's era. I don't think Marciano would have been champion in Quarry's era.
Quarry's biggest drawback was his management. I think his father managed him. He was allowed to spar without head protection. This accounts for his later dementia. Folks don't realize these guys are boxing every day in training against some tough partners. They also employed some stupid strategy like trying to out box a boxer in the Ellis fight and trying to out slug Frazier in that one. I would have had him stick and move against Frazier. I would never have allowed him to fight Frazier the second time. I imagine that too did damage. Who told him to take a rest in the Chuvalo fight and wait until nine?
@@josephshields2922 Yeah fighting Frazier the second time went just exactly the way it went the first time. I also wonder why anybody thought it would go differently. And yeah you're right Quarry's corner should have had him box Frazier and maul Ellis.
Marcianos wins began with his training regime. He wore down bigger smarter heavyweights like Chaeles and Walcott with sheer determination and fitness which overwhelmed his opponents late in the fights. And he was always outweighed.
Jerry was a very, very good fighter in an era of great ones. But the reality is Marciano would have destroyed him. Remember prime Quarry only fought a draw against Patterson. Quarry and Bonavena would have been a good matchup, too bad it never came off. Marciano was stronger, tougher, had better stamina, and hit harder. But Jerry was tough and had there been a cruiserweight divsion in his day he would have been champ for a decade.
Jerry knocked out Earnie Shavers in the first round. The fights with Patterson were early in his career. I don't know who would have won if Jerry fought Rocky, but prime Jerry would have given Rocky all he could handle.
@@josephshields2922 Jerry fought Ellis with a bad back which was stupid to do. He still kept it close. He needed surgery a week after the fight. He would have won a rematch IMO
@@stuartperry1047 Chuvalso scored a legit knockdown over Jerry, if not a legit kayo. If Chuvalo could hurt Jerry, Rocky would have finished him. Rocky hit much harder than Chuvalo and unlike George he threw punches in bunches.
Archie Moore decked Rocky. Archie was a light heavyweight. You can't judge a fighter by who knocked him down. Oscar Bonavena knocked Joe Frazier down twice- and lost. Joe never decked Oscar. Joe knocked Ali down and won the first fight. Joe got knocked down 6 times in his first fight with Foreman. Big George knocked him out. Ali knocked George out, but he was never able to knock Frazier down in 3 fights. Jerry had a strong chin.I think he was only knocked down 3 times, and he fought some rough guys.
Of Muhammad Ali's 61 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 38 times (62.295%), winning 33 (54.098%) of them. He also fought a total of 49 bouts that boxers that were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 61 bouts. That's a percentage of 80.3279%. Of Joe Louis's 72 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 34 times (47.887%), winning 31 (43.056%) of them. He also fought a total of 54 boxers that were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 72 bouts. That's a percentage of 76.056%. Of Rocky Marciano's 49 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 11 times (22.44898%), winning all 11 (22.44898%) of them. He also fought a total of 16 bouts that boxers were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 49 bouts. That's a percentage of only 32.653%. (Of those 11 times not one opponent weighed over 200 lbs except for ring-worn and washed Joe Louis).
Emanuel Steward was an American boxer, trainer and proven boxing Genius who trained 41 world champion fighters throughout his career. What did Emanuel have to say about Marciano? He said, *"Marciano was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10", exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. 188 lbs was just too small."* @ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight
Of all the men that Qarry lost to, the only ones that I think that he would not have ever beaten were Ali and frazier. I felt that after the second Frazier loss he really was then finished. I think that he could have beaten Norton in Jerry's prime. Also even at the time when I was only like 12 yrs old, could not understand why he went after Frazier, and not for a rematch with Jimmy Ellis. Like the one man above says about Quarry, he should be in the IBHOF, so should Ellis. I don't think that he would have beaten Marciano, but it is possible that when Floyd Patterson was champ in the late 50's, he might have been able to defeat Paterson.
"When Sonny gave you the evil eye - I don't care who you were - you shrunk to two feet tall. And one thing more; he could fight like hell. They forget it now, but when Liston was champ, some people thought he was the greatest heavyweight of all time." -- Harold Conrad
Sonny was born into a family that couldn't afford for him to go to school, and when the family mule died, his father hitched his 9 year old son to the plow. Why? Simply the history of kids working on the farm. However the story would seem to accentuate the point of how strong Liston was. He grew up with a father that eventually disappeared and a mother who was on and off drugs. He use to hang out in abandoned houses and hide from other people. By the time he was twelve he had been arrested for street robberies and burglary around Brooklyn. He was rescued out of a orphanage/ boys home for juvenile offenders by Cus D’Amato not because he was a shining knight but he could make money off his athletic talent. "Liston was a different breed; what a specimen." - Cus D'Amato
Nino Valdes, as he lay dying from cancer, drugged heavily with morphine, was asked by his family if it hurt, and said: “Not as bad as getting hit by Sonny Liston!"
Rocky's brother, Peter, said, *"His punches were measured by a professor at Harvard and there's a writing on it, and this professor gauged the strength of his punching blow to like X amount of pounds, it's almost like a small automobile hitting you."* --@ 42:01 Rocky Marciano: A Life Story | Full Movie | Marino Amoruso Harvard's only 27 miles away from Brockton, Rocky's hometown, and *"gauge"* means *"to make a judgement."* So there it is, a deceptive, distorted, misleading and untruthful story about our military building a gizmo inorder to test his punching power and all along it was a hometown teacher *"writing"* a story about his hometown hero. *(The bullshirt never stops does it, 5' 9" 178 to 188 lbs lmfao.)* Even today it's mathematically impossible to test someone's punching power. They tried with UFC Heavyweight Champion Francis Ngannou and recently found out the PowerKube (gizmo) was inaccurate.
I quite enjoyed the 100 Greatest Heavyweight series, and it got me thinking about how nice a boost *"Time"* tends to give to a fighters ranking. 1962: In December 1962, a Ring magazine poll of 40 boxing experts had Jack Dempsey rated the #1 Heavyweight of all-time, with Joe Louis 2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano 7th. 1971: In 1971, Nat Fleischer, boxing's most famous historian and also editor and founder of Ring magazine named Marciano as the 10th greatest Heavyweight champion of all-time. 1998: Despite the intervening years producing the likes of Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Klitschko's et al.," in 1998, Ring magazine named Marciano as the 6th greatest Heavyweight champion ever. 2005: We float around to 2005 and Marciano was named the 5th greatest Heavyweight of all-time by the International Boxing Research Organization. 2007: In 2007, Marciano was named the 4th greatest Heavyweight of all-time by ESPN behind Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis and Jack Johnson. 2023: We skip to modern day, and somehow he's been bumped up to 3rd. Will he one day be greater than Ali??? It's easy to see Rocky's progression. The key is understanding why? Despite his perfect record against the weakest and smallest Heavyweight division of all-time Rocky was never close to being rated towards the top throughout the 1960's and 1970's. So why did he climb from 10th in 1971 to 3rd today? Bcz the greatest boxing historian whoever lived and founder of The Ring Mr. Boxing himself Nat Fleischer died in 1972. They all started passing away including Rocky in 1969. That's when his fame really started to grow. After his death is when all the sympathy articles begin to appear. Then it just grew and grew to the point where little 184 lb Rocky could walk on water and beat every Super Heavyweight champion with ease.
Lets take a look at your theory that time tends to boost a fighters ranking. Lets take guys like Jack Dempsey, Gene Tunney, and Jack Johnson. Has time given those fighters ranking a boost? If your theory is correct, it definitely would and they would widely be considered the 3 best HW's of all time. After all, much more time has passed since their career ended than Rocky. .
Only reason Rocky's KO against Walcott was so great is bcz he caught Walcott precisely on the point of his chin which snap-twisted his head around more than 90° cutting oxygen off instantaneously *(one in a thousand shot).* Little 5' 9" 184 lb Rocky catches lightning in a bottle *ONE* time and his fans automatically assume he's the "Most Powerful" puncher that ever lived. Besides that *ONE* lucky punch what other Great KO's did he have?? His *ENTIRE* legacy has been built around that *ONE KO!!!* We can all see clear as day that Rocky hit Cockell, LaStarza and Charles "Full Power" hundreds of times yet could not finish them! *There's not a single video of him permanently damaging anyone!!! It's been proven time and time again that most of his KO's were against divers being paid to help pad his record!!!*
Ezzard Charles said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Lou Duva, Burt Sugar, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Brown, Ferrera and Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. --'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life' by William Dettloff *There's no room for debate, too many reputable witnesses.* *(Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking lived with ALS for 55 years).* *Any questions about the validity then I'd suggest filing defamation lawsuits against Ezzard, his family, all his trainers, Duva, Sugar, and biographer William Dettloff.*
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"I boxed heavyweights for four years till I realized Sonny Liston wasn't my cup of tea. When I saw him come on the scene, I said I'm going to get back down where I belong." -- Willie Pastrano
Rocky was always so nice and humble. He never trash talked his opponents and always praised their fighting abilities before he broke them , he let his fist do the talking.
William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness and some numbness in his limbs as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano
*"Charles lost the title to Walcott in 1951. Ailing Charles tried to regain the Heavyweight title three times, losing once to Walcott in 1952 and twice to Marciano in 1954. Charles a spent force by that time, who, from 1951 on was suffering from the symptoms of ALS."* -- written by William Dettloff author of "Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life" 2015
The diagnosis came from Ezzard's family, all his trainers and Ezzard himself. They didn't need a doctor's diagnosis inorder to help them see Ezzard's hand trembling when he tried to hold a spoon while eating soup. Ezzard said, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* William Dettloff's biography about Ezzard Charles having ALS symptoms in 1951 is *NEVER* going to magically disappear just because you want it to or because there wasn't a medical diagnosis done in 1951. Wikipedia needs to be updated by Ezzard's family the same way Archie Moore's birthdate was recently updated from 1916 to 1913 by his family making Archie 41 when he fought Rocky.
*"The Heavyweight version of Charles,”* Dettloff sums up, *“would get a lot of good work done. But on the best day of his life, he was no more a Heavyweight than Ray Robinson. He never would be as good there as he was at light heavy and below.”* -- written by William Dettloff author of "Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life" 2015
*"Ezzard was intentionally ducked by champions in both the middleweight and light heavyweight divisions. As a result, Charles was forced into the 175 lb Heavyweight division despite never being a true Heavyweight."* -- written by William Dettloff author of "Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life" 2015
Marciano boarded a small Cessna 172 with pilot Glenn Belz, and Frank Farrell, the son of Louis Thomas Fratto, born Luigi Tommaso Giuseppe Fratto, also known as "Lew Farrell" and "Cock-eyed", an American labor racketeer and organized crime figure in Chicago, Illinois, and Des Moines, Iowa, from the 1930s to his death in 1967. A massive storm system challenged Belz's relative inexperience (231 hours of total flight time) as the plane flew west from Chicago over Iowa. Trying to land at a small airfield outside Newton, Belz crashed the plane into a tree about two miles short of the intended runway. On August 31, 1969, all aboard, including Marciano, died on impact. It was all Rocky's fault, he pressured the amateur pilot into flying even though he knew they were headed towards severe thunderstorms. Why? What was so important in Des Moines? His business was loansharking and he was in a hurry to collect 35K which is equivalent to 293K today. He was in a hurry because he didn't want to be late to his birthday (Sept. 1st) party the next day in Florida.
"Possibly the greatest left jab in the history of the heavyweight division. That left jab could go through brick walls." -- Bert Sugar
That very same Bert Sugar on Rocky Marciano
He had a suzy Q, the greatest right hand in the history of boxing Bert Sugar
"Nobody hit those bags like Sonny. He tore bags up. He could turn that hook, put everything behind it. Turn and snap. Bam! Why, he could knock you across the room with a jab. I saw him knock guys out with a straight jab. Bam! In the ring, Sonny was a killing machine." -- Johnny Tacco
whats this got to do with Rocky vs Jerry
@@sorshiaemms5959 EVERYONE who saw rocky Marciano fight or fought him said he hit harder than anyone including Joe Louis, Bert Suger, WALCOTT, Moore, Jack Dempsey, Floyd Patterson ect🎉🎉🎉.
@@ScottHendrix-yz3du he would actually numb your arm when he hit it
@@sorshiaemms5959 yep that's exactly right.
Archie Moore said each one hurt and his entire body hurt all over for weeks like he had been pelted with rocks.
"Of all the men I fought in boxing, Sonny Liston was the scariest." -- Muhammad Ali
@@Studentofsweetscience LMFAO!!!! the guy who quit In both fights, PAID OFF BY MOB.
@@Stout_Krout WE ALWAYS WANT TO DISCUSS ROCKYS RESUME.
HE DESTROYED 4 ALL TIME GREATS AND ALL THE TOP RANKED FIGHTERS.
ROCKY KEPT THEM OUT OF THE HALL OF FAME..
@@Stout_Krout THEY FOUGHT HUNDREDS OF FIGHTS COMBINED!
SONNY DIDN'T!!!
ITS NOT EVEN WHO BEAT YOU ITS WHO YOU BEAT!
LOOK AT SOME OF TYSONS LOSSES.
WE STILL LOVE TYSON!
LOOK WHO ALI LOST TO. SO WHAT!
ROCKY BEAT THEM ALL !!!
GTFO TROLL.
@@Stout_Krout EXCUSES SICK TROLL!
MOORE AND WALCOTT HAD JUST BECOME CHAMPIONS FOR THE FIRST TIME IN THEIR LIVES.
ONE WAS LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WHO DESTROYED THE TWO TOP RANKED HEAVYWEIGHTS .
WALCOTT HAD JUST BECOME HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD.
EZZARD CHARLES WAS BASICALLY THE SAME AGE AS ROCKY, HAD JUST BEEN CHAMPION AND WAS RANKED NUMBER ONE FOR THE FIRST 3 YEARS ROCKY WAS CHAMPION UNTIL ROCKY KNOCKED HIM DOWN TO NUMBER 10.
ROCKY ALSO DESTROYED THE REST OF THE TOP RANKED FIGHTERS INCLUDING LASTARZA WHO WAS 25 YEARS OLD AND 37 AND O!!!!
CONKELL WAS BRITISH AND EUROPEAN CHAMPION AND RANKED NUMBER TWO.
KID MATTHEWS WAS 80 AND 3 AND HADN'T LOST IN 10 YEARS.
VINGO WAS DIVISION CHAMPION. 16 AND 1 WHEN ROCK PUT HIM IN A COMA.
THATS THE FACTS LIKE IT OR NOT!
ROCKY DESTROYED THE 4 BEST IN THE WORLD.
FIGHTERS ALI Looked UP TO AND COPIED FROM.
JUST GTF OVER IT!!!
@@Stout_Krout SO WHAT!
ITS NOT YOUR LOSSES ITS WHO YOU BEAT!!!!
You're too sick, disgruntled, disrespectful and ignorant to understand the differences between the times!!
Your obsession and jealousy of Rocky has now caused you to attack his entire era black and white?!!
Boxing is more boring, messed up now than it's been in my entire life!!!!
Boxers are BIGGER now but absolutely not better and you're entire CIRCUS is just numbers!!!!
YOur entire prejudice, biased crap show is you manipulating NUMBERS!!!..
Hall of Fame Heavyweight Champion Sonny Liston was a muscular 6′ 1″ powerhouse weighing 220 lbs of pure brick. He had iron in either fist and could put an opponent on the mat quickly with either. Sonny was the most ducked fighter of all time. Even Joe Frazier’s team refused to fight him. Liston in his prime was the real deal. He was a great fighter.
What’s even scarier is that we never seen a prime Liston his birth certificate was lost so most of his career he was in late thirties early fourties
UNLIKE YOU I CAN SHOW ROCKYS OFFICIAL PUNCHING POWER TEST RESULTS OF 1000 FOOT LBS.
SAME AS A 44 MAGNUM.
I CAN ALSO SHOW MUCH LONGER LIST OF PROFESSIONALS SAYING ROCKY HIT HARDER THAN ANYONE!!!🎉🎉🎉🎉
Boxing Historian Monte Cox wrote: “Liston was made to be a fighter. His physical attributes bordered on the freakish. At six-foot, one-inch, he had an eighty-four inch reach-longer than that of all other champions with the exception of Primo Carnera. His neck was a massive eighteen inches. But the number that leaps off the page-the statistic that looks initially lik' a typo-is that which corresponds to his hands. When closed into a fist, they measured fifteen inches around, virtually twice the size of an average man’s. To contemplate the impact of a fist that large, delivered over a distance that great, from a man so determined to do damage, would give even the bravest opponent pause."
But...in the 2 biggest fights of his career...Liston S**T himself in front of the whole world. You can have all the skills that you've mentioned...but without heart...it doesn't mean a thing!
@@donnacushman7024*For 9 years from 1955 to 1964 Liston decimated his division. There were 14 fighters at the top during Sonny’s time who flatly refused to fight him:*
Hall of Fame undisputed Heavyweight Champion Joe Frazier (Joe accepted, his management said hell no, and vetoed it).
Hall of Fame undisputed Heavyweight Champion Ingemar Johannson refused to fight Sonny.
Bob Foster (light heavyweight Champion but fought for the Heavyweight title twice) refused.
WBA Heavyweight Champion Ernie Terrell refused to fight Sonny.
WBA Heavyweight Champion Jimmy Ellis refused to fight Sonny.
Bob Baker declined too.
So did Henry Cooper, who said: “I don't even want to see him walking down the street, let alone in a gym!”
Karl Mildenberger declined as well.
Jerry Quarry (his father refused to make the fight).
Tommy Jackson refused.
Doug Jones did too.
Harold Carter did as well.
So did Joe Erskine
and Bob Cleroux.
*That is 14 top fighters who refused to fight Sonny, including 4 Champions.*
*Sonny is the most ducked fighter in boxing history.*
*On the other hand Rocky was "'NEVER'" ducked.*
*Moore, Walcott and LaStarza repeatedly petitioned to fight Rocky for years. EVERYONE wanted to fight Rocky bcz he couldn't hurt you the way Sonny could.*
*Little Rocky didn't even come close to cleaning out his division.*
*He ducked Marty Marshall, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Bivins, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith, Clarence Henry, Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard, Jackson, Bucceroni and Baker just to name a few.*
@bobbyd1776his birth certificate was lost so his real age during most of his career was late thirties early forties he was a killer in his division
Furthermore it was known that rocky was a duck as well, and that the mob protected his record and that large portions of it where padded out his best wins were against guys who were very old and at the tail end of their careers the up and coming killers he avoided
Why would a "bigger" fist do more damage on impact? All things being equal, a smaller surface would be more devastating!? Probably "old-school" fighters had "conditioned" hands (like the shins of Muay Thai fighters in Thailand maybe?) because they used to punch with gloves with basically no padding and so on....but I'm not even 100% sure of this "theory"! On a side note, the strength/power/resistence etc of boxers of bygone eras tend to be always exaggerated and all the related "stories" are embellished! Don't get me wrong, I love the boxing "lore" but I can't believe even half of that! If a 280 lbs, 6'6'' Zhilei Zhang managed to catch Rocky or Sonny "good" inside the first three rounds, it's curtains!
@@Studentofsweetscience Rocky was a tough as nail "swarmer", but he was undersized even in his own era....there's no way he could be a real threat to massive heavys (with some ability/skills obviously, like Zhang, Bakole and so forth) of more recent eras! Same goes with Floyd Patterson, Sam Langford, Jack Dempsey and so on.....they were all great fighters (greater both in a P4P sense and in achievements than Zhang etc) but at one point people need to open their eyes! lol
Ezzard said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Lou Duva, Burt Sugar, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. *--William Dettloff’s book 'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'*
There's no room for debate,
too many reputable witnesses.
Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking lived with ALS for *55* years.
*Any questions about the validity then I'd suggest filing defamation lawsuits against Ezzard, his family, all his trainers, Duva, Sugar and Dettloff.*
I see you mentiion a lot of guys who said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. I don't see anyone though who has any expertise in the field of medicine. Do you have anyone in the medical profession who will agree wit this medical evaluation
How can you claim their is no room for debate regarding Ezzard Charles having ALS in 51? Thats laughable. Name one, just one respected physician or medical journal who agrees with this nonsense. You cant do it can you? No of course not
If your claim had any merit you would be able to list multiple credible experts. After all 73 years have passed, nearly 3/4 a century. Thats a whole lot of time to find someone credible.
Failure to list any credible experts shows my comment rings true. To say Charles had ALS in 51 is nonsense
@@original.Bobbyd It easy for you to accumulate hundreds of likes. After all, you have hundreds of accounts you can use to give thumbs up to your posts. LMFAO.
In regards to Charles, I truly enjoy it when you bring up your Charles and 1951 ALS nonsense. It shows how much of a troll you truly are. Lets take a look.
In all of medical history, there is a grand total of ZERO world Class athletes who were diagnosed with ALS who remained world Class athletes 3 years later. Therefore, Normal sane people would view the claim that Charles had ALS in 51 with a whole lot of skepticism. And yet you don't. Hmmm. Why is that?
Somehow, you take that claim as if its the gospel truth. And that says a whole lot about you Mr Troll.
In regards to Ali, I know exactly what he said about Rocky.(And it makes you cry like a baby)
Rocky Marciano: The Rock of His Times 2005 author Russell Sullivan
"The one fighter who might have beaten me." Muhammed Ali
"Hit you so so hard it jar your kin folk in Africa. - Muhammed Ali
And here is a video of Ali stating exactly that
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You get spanked. AGAIN
@@original.Bobbyd WTH are you talking about now? Jimmy Bivins? LMFAO
And we both know you wont be talking about reputable medical professionals who support your Charles had ALS in 51 fantasy. And the reason you wont be talking about that is because there arent any. Ha Ha Ha
@@original.Bobbyd Your Rowdy account is in need of help badly. He can't account for the words that come out of his(your) mouth.
Sonny Liston v. Wayne Bethea Aug 1958 -- Referee stops the fight upon discovering many of Bethea's teeth in his mouthpiece. Bethea, who had never been off his feet, said after being stopped by Liston: “He must have hit me with a horseshoe in his glove!" Liston hit Bethea and knocked out 7 of his teeth, broke 9 more for 16 lost teeth from one blow!
I’m the biggest Liston fan and I’m the 2nd coming of Liston as I’m his relative . Don’t speak on Sonny Liston again
"Liston compares favorably with any of the heavyweights of the past. Any of them. When somebody asks me, How does Liston compare with Joe Louis?' I have to stop and think. So you know how good a fighter Liston is." -- Cus D'Amato
Ali fought both Foreman and Liston, and he said that when it came to George he just had to take the hits and wear big George down, in the case of Liston, he simply did not want to get hit at all. So for Ali it was certainly Sonny that hit harder. Foreman trained with Liston after the Olympics, preparing him for pro boxing. George said Sonny was the only man that had ever pushed him backwards with sheer strength alone. He also said that you were always really careful not to make Sonny mad! I think it is pretty safe to say that Sonny Liston hit harder than George Foreman.
Rocky Marciano's legacy is not that he was just undefeated, but how he was undefeated. He overcame cuts, knockdowns, trailing late in fights, and more. His will is unquestioned. When you look at the greatest heavyweights to ever reign over the most prestigious title in all of sports, the greats are near-mythical figures that would give everything to win, men that had an indomitable spirit to go along with skill. When you think of guys like that, you think of Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Holmes, Holyfield and yes, Rocky Marciano, who undoubtedly etched his name among them. So let the revisionist run their mouths about how he was too short, how he was just a brawler, how his competition was weak etc. In the end, no other heavyweight champion has ever retired undefeated and I doubt anyone else ever will.
The one-man that did it is always standing and his name is Rocky Marciano!
Have to admit, damn good comment
Don't care what anyone says, he was one of the best to ever do it
When heavyweights were 185 pounds, Rocky was king.
Yes you are correct. However his hardest fights were against very old blown up light heavyweight fighters, Walcott, Charles ( who was in the early stages of MS) and Moore. The combined winning percentage of Marciano's opponents was 27 percent the lowest of any HW champ. Had he come around in the 60s,70s,80s or 90s he would have won a few fights at heavyweight but he would have noway been dominant. Now if he could have gotten down to 175 or been a cruiserweight, I'm fairly certain Rocky would have been a top 5 all time. The problem is ( I'm quoting Larry Merchant) " the big men are bigger and there a way more of them". I just see no way he could get past Liston,Ali,Norton, Holmes, Frazier, Lennox, either Klitchko brother, Lewis, Mercer, Ruddock. He may have given Evander or Tyson a tough 2 or 3 rounds but he would have been steamrolled inside of 5 . Also he would never have beaten Jack Dempsey, Jack Johnson or Louis. A prime Dempsey was barely a step above a caveman. A prime Louis gives any heavyweight a hard way to go and Johnson could beat guys with his jab.
@@Steve_Whitlock You forget about Dempsey and Louis and their will to win. Also Gene Tunney retired as undefeated HW champ, he never lost at heavyweight .
George said in an interview with Ring Magazine: “Sparring with Liston is the most dangerous thing that I ever did in my entire life. No matter what I tried against him, it was me who had to revert back to boxing. Nobody made me box like Sonny Liston did and that happened every time we worked together. He taught me many things, including the importance of the jab.” A good example of Sonny's sheer strength was an exercise he devised in training camp of loading an industrial sized wheelbarrow full of rocks, and wheeling it up and down a hill. Foreman, 19, and training with "the old man," could only carry one wheelbarrow for every 3 for Sonny: “His strength," said Foreman, "you just can't believe how strong he was!"
George foreman said ROCKY BEAT UP ARCHIE MOORE SO BAD DESTROYING HIS NERVES SO BADLY HE COULD NOT LIFT HIS ARMS TO DEFEND HIMSELF.
@@ScottHendrix-yz3du *Middleweight/light heavyweight 41 year old Moore Retired Rocky when he was only 31 years of age. Little Rocky took horrible beatings from Walcott and Charles which hospitalized him for nose surgery and dozens of stitches. Besides Rocky knew 14-1 Sonny Liston and Cleveland Williams were waiting for him.*
@@ScottHendrix-yz3du*Rocky Marciano ducked Marty Marshall, Harold Johnson, Joey Maxim, Yolande Pompey, Jimmy Bivins, Bob Satterfield, Nino Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith, Clarence Henry, Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard, Willie Pastrano, Tommy Jackson, Dan Bucceroni, Bob Baker, Cleveland Williams and Ingemar Johansson just to name a few. Don't fight any that could beat us then leave before the young exposes us.*
@Studentofsweetscience so basically EVERYONE WHO WAS BEATEN AND NOT RANKED ROCKY DUCKED? Oh ok. WRONG!!!
Marty marshall a journey men fighter who beat up Sonny liston.
Nino Valdez HAD 5 STRAIGHT LOSSES AND WAS BEATEN BY ARCHIE MOORE TWICE.
ROCKY FOUGHT AND BEAT EVERY SINGLE RANKED FIGHTER OR BELT HOLDER OF HIS ERA AND FLOYD PATTERSON ADMITTED HE WOULD NOT FIGHT ROCKY.
YOUR ALSO NAMING FIGHTERS THAT DIDN'T EVEN FIGHT Heavyweight.
ROCKY DESTROYED THE TOP RANKED IN LINE FOR A TITLE FIGHT!!!
YOUR RACIST AFROCENTRISTS GIBBERISH DOESN'T CHANGE REALTY IT JUST MAKES YOU LOOK MENTALLY CHALLENGED.
@@Studentofsweetscience *1st WRONG. as I've shown you and posted below shows Archie was 38 according to US census records.
*2. LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION ARCHIE MOORE BEAT NINO VALDEZ TWICE AND KOD BAKER IN ONE ROUND.
*3. ARCHIE ADMITTED HE COULDN'T HURT ROCKY.
He said I THOUGHT I JAD BECOME UNBEATABLE UNTIL I FOUGHT ROCKY.
He said if I could hit them I could beat them but not rocky because he was WHAM BAM DIDN'T GIVE A DAMN. Hit like a dump truck with his right and a jack hammer with his left!!!
George Foreman says Archie told him his nerves were so badly damaged he couldn't lift his arms to defend himself against Rocky!!
*4. Rocky was never hurt in 49 PRO HEAVYWEIGHT BOUTS.
He DESTROYED 4 ALL TIME GREATS BY KO and destroyed the top ranked fighters including the unbeaten ones.
HE RETIRED 13 PRO HEAVYWEIGHTS INCLUDING ONE STANDING 6'5 254 LBS.
THE GREAT WHITE HOPE AS YOU CALLED HIM CRUSHED YOUR DADDYS HEROS.
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Boxing News and History - Archie Moore, the fighter whose legendary career ...
He claimed to have been born in 1916, in Collinsville ... " But evidence provided by the 1920 US census shows he was correct: 1916
Floyd Patterson wrote in Victory Over Myself:
*“I loved Cus, but he was not going to let me fight the best because he was afraid I was going to lose. I decided a Champion had to face everyone, even if he loses, and I felt better despite the losses."*
Ironically, even though he lost to Liston and never regained the title, he is still ranked in the top 20 heavyweights of all time precisely because he fired Cus, and fought real contenders, rolling up a record worthy of the Hall of Fame.
After he fired Cus, Floyd faced:
Muhammad Ali
Sonny Liston
Eddie Machen
Henry Cooper
Jimmy Ellis
Oscar Bonavena
Jerry Quarry
George Chuvalo
*"I decided a Champion had to face everyone, even if he loses."* - Floyd Patterson (SOMETHING ROCKY MARCIANO NEVER DID)
*Why did Rocky "UP-N-QUIT" during his prime after only (7) years while everyone else was fighting (15) to (25) years? Patterson fought from 1952 to 1972. Imagine Rocky having a normal 20 year career from 1948 to 1968? He would of had to face Cleveland Williams, Ingemar Johansson, Floyd Patterson, Sonny Liston, Ernie Terrell, Joe Frazier, George Chuvalo, Jerry Quarry, Eddie Machen, Zora Folley, Oscar Bonavena, Jimmy Ellis and Doug Jones just to name a few.*
For Pete's sake Marciano was only 31 his last fight and to make matters even worse his last fight had to be against a 41 year old light heavyweight named Archie Moore born "1913" wikipedia!
*Little Marciano ducked Marty Marshall, Harold Johnson, Joey Maxim, Yolande Pompey, Jimmy Bivins, Bob Satterfield, Nino Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith, Clarence Henry, Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard, Willie Pastrano, Tommy Jackson, Dan Bucceroni, Bob Baker, Cleveland Williams and Ingemar Johansson just to name a few. Don't fight any that could beat us then leave before the young exposes us.*
How do you figure that Marciano only fought 7 years? Every piece of evidence I find says he fought 8. He began his career in 1947, fought every year, and retired in 1955. 1955-1947= 8 years. If I'm wrong, please educate me on the issue.
Now onto those guys you mention he eventually knew he would have to confront. I don't see that at all. None of them had accomplished anything of note in the HW division by the time Rocky retired. He would have no reason to know any of them.
I also find it strange that you mentioned the names Chuvalo and Miteff. Lets take a closer look at the career of those guys. .
Chuvalo made his pro debut on April 24, 1956. Alex Miteff made his debut 2 months later in June of 56, Why would Rocky know anything about these guys who hadn't even fought professionally at the time of his last fight?
Great point.
You definitely know your stuff. Thanks for setting everyone straight
@@floydpattersonii4996 I have to disagree with you. Bobbyd1776 does not know his stuff.
According to him, and I'm quoting him directly, "Marty Marshall easily beats little Rocky"
Anyone who thinks Marty beats Rocky, and easily I might add, definitely does not know his stuff
@@Stout_Krout Someone does get spanked all the time. And its you. Thats why you can NEVER account for the words that come out your mouth. Take this one for example
Rowdy-r2d2-John.3.16 posts that Lennox Lewis, when fighting seriously was pretty much untouchable. Hmmm, Is that true? I'm not sure about that. Lets take a look at the events of Sept. 24. 1994? On this date Lennox faced Oliver McCall with the WBC HW title on the line. Lennox was TKO'd in the 2nd rd.
How do you account for this TKO loss Rowdy? You've been ducking this question a long time.
I account for it by saying you don't know what you are talking about.
And you take another L
49 wins, 43 knockouts, 0 defeats. Rocky Marciano, a hero to all those who are told they can't.
Ali never respected Rocky. The truth is Ali severely disrespects Rocky and even challenges him to fight but Rocky declines *@ Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco* OR ONLINE *@ "Do you agree with Ali's assessment of why he'd have beaten Rocky Marciano"* - just press on the yellow writing and the entire book appears.
Muhammad Ali said, *"Even in his prime, Rocky had no chance with me. First thing, he is too little. Less than five foot ten to my six foot three inches. I’d overwhelm him. I’d lay on him in the clinches like a big old grizzly bear, and I’d smother his insides out. He was too small to reach me from outside. I’d jab him twenty to one. Rocky had a face that cut easily. Can you imagine what my stinging jab would do to those weak eyes? By round three, Rocky would look like he ran into a lawn mower. How could he beat me? No way, is how."*
"Regardless of the script, Rocky seemed unable to pull his punches, whereas Ali could come within a fraction of an inch to making it look extremely real. Our problem was that Ali was getting madder and madder as Rocky thumped one hard shot after another off his ribs."
"By the end of the second day, Ali stopped the filming to have a word with Rocky, *"Rocky, you're supposed to be pulling those body shots. You aren't, and they're hurting my ribs. Now, if we're going to have a real fight, then you will not be able to land those shots without me peppering your face with hard left jabs and right hooks, and if you do by chance land a body shot, you're going to take back a stinging right hand to the nose to break it again. Now, do we play movie or do we play boxing?"*
"Marciano knew he was wrong. Secretly, he wanted to find out if Ali could take his best shots. To his surprise, he found that Ali could. End of the problem."
*@ Tales from the 5th Street Gym: Ali, the Dundees, and Miami's Golden Age of Boxing by Ferdie Pacheco Chapter 10* OR ONLINE *@ "Do you agree with Ali's assessment of why he'd have beaten Rocky Marciano?"* - just press on the yellow writing and the entire book appears.
Muhammad Ali, *"Umm Marciano... Marciano, umm, phew, ooh he hit hard. He hit you so hard* (unrecognizable) *folks in Africa."*
Cosell, *"But you think you could have beaten him too?"*
Ali, *"Well it a been rough, look Howard, I don't take nothing from these fellas especially those deceased. Marciano and I were good friends, but I truly think on my best day and his best day I would have beaten him, probably not knocked him out, I been sore, I think he was better than Joe Frazier I'd put it that way. I truly think he was better than Joe Frazier. I think it be even, he may have won - it's just hard, it's just up to the imagination."*
Cosell, *"You know you started out with so much braggadocio, now you're ending with humility."*
Ali, *"Yea, you got the last man Marciano. Showing him last, you did the right thing. He wasn't as great as me, wasn't as beautiful everyone knows that. But I don't know if I would have beat him with his style and my style. He could've out-pointed me, could've knocked me down. Did a computer fight with him when he was an old man just pretending and my arms were so sore just for joking with him. In his heyday he may have won, he probably wouldn't... that's up for the imagination. In the end I still think I'm the greatest of all time!"*
Later, in part 6 Ali flips a script saying that *"a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."* He then goes on to his usual *"I'm the greatest"* after part 6. Why was the most important part removed?? *Ali said, "a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano."*
*This valuable information has been suppressed for 48 years!* Imagine all the uploaders that have been entering incorrect information for decades! Truth is folks have removed 3 hours 28 minutes because it didn't align with their agenda! *The Fact is Ali Hated Marciano! Ali knew Marciano was deceased so he Lied when he said Marciano was better than Joe Frazier!* Y'all can order copies *@ Muhammad Ali Archival Television Audio Inc* just go to the *3rd page* to order 9889 is 90 MIN, 9889A is 30 MIN and 9890 is 90 MIN. That's 3 1/2 hours of Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore and Louis.. *"a prime Louis, Walcott, Charles, and Moore would've beat Marciano." - Muhammad Ali, 02/15/76*
(As more proof Dave Diles explains Ali discussing Marciano Walcott Charles Moore in depth @ 0:15 or very beginning of *1976 Daytona 500 - ABC Wide World of Sports coverage* from NascarAllOut)
*Quotes from Jersey Joe Walcott about Cassius Clay:*
*“Cassius Clay is the best heavyweight champion of them all. He could beat Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles, Rocky Marciano and a fellow named Jersey Joe Walcott.”*
Walcott was asked if he realized what he was saying. He nodded and repeated:
*“Clay could beat Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and a fellow named Jersey Joe Walcott. Clay is too big and punches too fast and moves too quickly for all of us old timers. This kid has speed in his hands and feet like a welterweight.”*
Asked to explain in more detail why he rates Clay a sure winner over Dempsey, Louis, Charles, Marciano and himself, Jersey Joe lit up a cigarette and said:
*“Dempsey and Louis and the rest of us would be too small to beat this big, rangy kid. All of us old-timers needed room to punch. But not Clay. He can hit you from any position and hurt you. He can do this even when he is off balance.”*
*“I fought Louis, Charles and Marciano. I know none of these men, or me, could box with Clay. And I know none of us could punch as fast as Cassius. When one punch can take a big man like Liston off his feet, people should realize the agility, coordination and power Clay can put into each and every punch.”*
*RING, SEPT. 1965 WALCOTT INSIST ALI WOULD BEAT DEMPSEY, LOUIS, ROCKY, ETC. BY ED BRENNAN*
In summary Jersey Joe has been around boxing for a long time and should know what he is talking about...should i believe you, a biased casual, or Jersey Joe ?
Rocky was mafia controlled. Jerry takes him
Read *Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life by William Dettloff.* Charles already had symptoms of ALS (1951) long before he fought Rocky in 1954. How can anyone say he didn't if you have never read his biography? If a Rocky fan were to read a Rocky biography they'd hang on to every single word as if it were the holy grail.
Do you have anyone in the medical profession who will agree with this medical evaluation? It sure would help your cause. Perhaps Dettloff, when he wasn't writing books, was he also a doctor?
Don Turner said, *"Rocky Marciano was the hardest puncher i ever seen."* Oh really, when was Don ever hit by Rocky? Ali said Shavers was the hardest puncher. Foreman said Lyle was the hardest puncher. Archie Moore rated Sheppard and Durelle as the hardest punchers. Emanuel Steward rated Wladimir and Lennox as the hardest punchers. Miller fans, Bakole fans, Zhang fans, Joshua fans, Ali fans, Foreman fans and Holmes fans NEVER EVER discuss Don Turner, only Rocky fans discuss Don's opinionated speculations and believe it as the gospel truth. Hey everyone, Delusional Don said little Rocky was the hardest puncher so it Must Be True Ha Ha Ha!
Besides Don never saw Rocky fight in person! Rocky had his last fight in New York 1955. Don was born in 1939 and raised in Cincinnati. Don was only 15 years old. He had no money and was over 600 miles away. *His opinions are based on hearsay and film, in other words the same as ours!* Don said, "I have no idea what my father did. We were on welfare and lived in the Cincinnati projects four blocks from Ezzard Charles." -- A Beautiful Sickness: Reflections on the Sweet Science, by Thomas Hauser, 2001- page's 72 & 74.
*If Don thought so highly of little 5' 9" 184 lb Rocky with tiny 67" flyweight reach why didn't he look for another power-punching midget to rule the Heavies? Instead he chose to train 6' 7" 250 lb Michael Grant who had an incredible 86" reach!*
Marciano, that nigga punched hard.
why you hating so much? he was one of the hardest hitters, deal with the facts buddy.
god damn I just realized your fucking all over the comments trying to bring rocky down, gosh damn you really dont got much of a life huh?
@axia6372 he was alright at best he didnt fight anyone who was actually good or in their prime just look at some of the bums he fought
But these guys were still the best. Walcott gave rocky a beating and ezzard charles split rockys nose damn near in half.
Puncher of The Century Earnie Shavers is known for being the hardest puncher in Heavyweight boxing history. He scored 69 knockout wins, including 23 in the first round.
So powerful, both Joe Frazier and George Foreman told boxing writer Jerry Eisenberg they would never fight Shavers. Real fighters knew enough to avoid him. His incredible one punch power made him more than dangerous. George Foreman told him personally when Earnie lobbied for a fight, "hell no." Joe Frazier told Shavers bluntly when Shavers asked him for a shot, "No way, Earnie.”
Hall of Fame and all time greats Ali and Holmes both said Shavers power, especially his one punch power, was simply unrivaled. But they, and others, also said a lot more..
Angelo Dundee, the great trainer, said "Earnie wasn't really a good boxer, but God, his power was amazing."
Muhammad Ali said after his match with Shavers, "Earnie hit me so hard, he shook my kinfolk back in Africa"
And when fighters had to meet him, they left in awe. Tex Cobb said "Earnie could punch you in the neck with his right hand and break your ankle." He also said, "if a man hit any harder than Earnie I'd shoot him."
Ron Lyle: "Hey man, that's the hardest I've ever been hit in my life. And George Foreman could punch, but none of them could hit like Earnie Shavers did. When he hit you, the lights went out. I can laugh about it now, but at the time it wasn't funny."
Larry Holmes, comparing Shavers to Tyson, said "Earnie hit me harder than any other fighter, including Mike Tyson. He hit me and I was face down on the canvas hearing saxophonist Jimmy Tillis."
Jimmy Young, who was knocked cold by Shavers in his first fight, but survived the second, said "I was not gonna get tagged by him again, no sir!"
Nor were fighters and trainers the only ones who saw and marveled at Shavers sheer overwhelming power. Hall of Fame sports journalist Jerry Izenberg said of Shavers, "rarely did Earnie hit anyone below the neck; he was a headhunter and a good one. For me, Shavers was the greatest one-punch hitter I have ever seen."
"However, while Shavers struck serious fear into his opponents, such freakishly big hitting power had its drawbacks for the man himself," said Kenny Rainford.
“Being such a big puncher actually hurt my career,” says Shavers. “I relied on my power too much. I wish I’d had trainers that could have taught me more about combination punches."
“I used to gas out in five or six rounds because I put that much effort into my punches and it was impossible to punch for an entire fight without tiring out."
In the years that followed, Rainford met Ali and asked him about the famous fight with Shavers.
“I can not remember the last round of our fight,” Ali admitted. “He hit me so hard that for fourteenth round, I was on autopilot. I can’t remember a thing. When I’ve watched the fight back, and see the way I rallied in the fifteenth round, I was doing that off memory.”
Shavers reigned down on Ali with 266 punches that night. Afterwards, Rainford claims, the New York commission stated Ali would never fight in New York again after doctors discovered tears on his brain.
Eig's study, conducted by Arizona State speech scientists Visar Berisha and Julie Liss found that Ali's speech slowed by 16 percent after a 15-round bout with Ernie Shavers in 1977. Shavers, a brawler, landed 266 punches throughout the fight. If one fight had to be picked, Ernie Shavers inflicted the most damage.
Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again.
@@dylonmc1733 LMFAO. no one reads anything you write. You make up shit boy.
You don't understand the times and the fighters.
EVERYONE FOUGHT EVERYONE OVER AND OVER!
THEY DIDNT CHERRY PICK FIGHTS LIKE TODAY AND AVOID EACH OTHER.
HOLMES LOST TO LITTLE SPINKS.
ALI LOST TO A SPINKS.
VITALI LOST TO CHRIS BYRD.
ROY JONES JR BEAT RUIZ AS A MIDDLE WEIGHT.
SO WHAT. ANYONE CAN BEAT ANYONE.
BOX ONCE IN YOUR SN LIFE BOY THEM YOU CAN SPEAk.
@@dylonmc1733OPINIONS ?
your entire RACIST shit show is opinions, lies and manipulations. Racist
rocky haters refuse facts and Cherry pick words and numbers.
When you can't find or manipulate information you just make it up.
ROCKY DESTROYED 4 ALL TIME GREATS.
HE CLEANED OUT The DIVISION.
GET OVER IT.
EVERYONE WHO FOUGHT ROCKY including JOE LOUIS SAID HE WAS THE HARDEST PUNCHER EVER.
Using a lot of your other accounts to give a thumbs up on this one. In fact, I think its the most likes i've ever seen you give to one of your own posts
@@originalBobbyd lmfao. The goofy, racist troll has no idea how psychotic he looks.
Looking back over many of his old posts I didn't realize how many people actually call him out while laughing at his nonsense.
The guy must be a virgin or something..
Loved watching Jerry. A good guy in and out of the ring.
It's such a shame that Rocky fans must trash Jerry as if he were low-life. So many Rocky fans are haters. It's truly pathetic.
both great warriors
Joe Frazier would recall in his autobiography 'Smokin' Joe: The Autobiography of a Heavyweight Champion of the World,' that: “Quarry had an appeal that made the public snap up tickets, 'Why not? He was a good-looking Irish kid with a nice smile and an engaging boy-next-door manner.''
Both Ring magazine and Boxing Illustrated named Jerry the most popular professional boxer in the world in 1968 and 1969. Why not, he was their white hope. Unfortunately it didn't work out the way they'd hoped it would. That's why Rocky fans are throwing Jerry under the bus. Problem with Rocky though is he was way too small, that's why his legacy is dieing out fast. 5' 9" 184 lbs give me a break. Prime for prime Jerry KO's Rocky.
Rocky was 184 lbs because he wanted to be. He trained his a$$ off to get down to that weight. When you are one of the strongest men to ever enter a boxing ring, as Rocky was, you can weigh 184 lbs
Wladimir Klitschko was more active than any recent Heavyweight champion, and he fought in a record 29 Heavyweight championship matches. He defended his title against all comers in four countries on three continents. He made 5 successful title defenses in his first reign as champion and an astonishing 18 in his second reign, which covered 12 years.
Unfortunately haters must hate and Wlad is known more for 3 losses -- Puritty in 98,, Sanders in 03,, Brewster in 04 -- than for any of his wins. BUT he re-established himself after the loss to Brewster and reeled off 22 consecutive victories before ending his career with back to back losses to Fury and Joshua, dealing him his first losses in 11 years at the age of 40.
He retired with a 64-5 record, a 25-4 mark in Heavyweight title fights and 53 knockouts. He never ducked anyone, but was never fully appreciated. He was a brilliant athlete, a magnificently proportioned and conditioned giant of a man. He weighed 245 pounds, stood 6 feet 6 inches with an 81 inch reach and a jab that may have been exceeded in Heavyweight history only by Holmes and Liston. He moved like a man much smaller, light on his feet and thanks to the tutelage of the late great Emanuel Steward, cut off the ring expertly.
For all his greatness in the ring, though, what made Wlad special was his presence outside of it. He was a man of arts and letters, owner of a doctorate in sports science, a charitable man who tirelessly raised money for children and who fought for human rights around the world. In 2014, he famously stood shoulder-to-shoulder with his brother, leading anti-government protests in the Ukraine. He made the world a better place for many with his efforts, standing as a symbol of courage and defiance in the face of overwhelming political power. Today the Klitschko brothers proudly defend their country against Russia.
Wladimir Klitschko dominated Brewster through the course of the first four rounds, sending him to the canvas in the fourth; however, things turned around unusually fast in the fifth when Klitschko began tiring and Brewster's punches began backing him up. Not defending himself and leaning into ropes for support, Klitschko took a standing eight count. On unsteady legs, Klitschko fell to the canvas after the bell and the referee stopped the fight for his safety. When talking about the fight, Emmanuel Steward said: "Wladimir was in incredible shape. I've never seen anything like this in my career. I know what it looks like when a boxer is getting hurt from punches. There was definitely something else that caused problems for Wladimir".
Shortly after the fight Klitschko was rushed into hospital. An examination showed Klitschko's blood sugar level almost two times higher than the permissible norm. According to members of Klitschko's team, the doctor told them that Klitschko had been "inches away" from falling into a diabetic coma, and that with blood sugar level that high, Klitschko would've been incapable of handling a single proper training session. After returning from the examination to the hotel, he fell ill with nausea, followed by physical weakness. On 12 April, he arrived in Las Vegas and donated blood and urine samples for an independent examination, which was supposed to be done by Donald Katlin, who specialized in such cases. The examination showed no signs of anabolic steroids in his blood, but Katlin suggested that Klitschko could have been poisoned with Haloperidol. The drug has no taste or smell and causes mental disorders, which are accompanied by impaired coordination, a weakening reaction and overall physical weakness. Following the results, Klitschko demanded the tests taken by the Medical Center of South Nevada and the Nevada Quest Diagnostics to be passed on to Dr. Robert Wow for further research, but the A sample had already been disposed of, while the B sample, which was supposed to be stored for years, disappeared.
As a result of the circumstances that surrounded the fight, FBI started an investigation. Judd Bernstein, the lawyer representing Klitschko, suggested that he was a victim of an ongoing fight fixing in Las Vegas (which also included fraudulent medical reports), which was investigated by FBI at the time. Bernstein, along with some other journalists, pointed out that in the last 48 hours before the beginning of the fight, the betting odds in favor of Klitschko rapidly dropped from 11-to-1 to 3 1/2 to-1. According to journalist Keith Teixeira, a group of approximately 40 people associated with Brewster's manager Sam Simon bet from $50,000 to $100,000 on Brewster's victory. Members of Klitschko's team also pointed out that shortly before the fight, a security camera recorded a moment when two people entered Klitschko's booth and were there for four minutes. These people had badges, but weren't members of Wladimir's team. Wladimir's brother Vitali claimed that during registration of the boxer and his team, the card that belonged to Emmanuel Steward's assistant had already been registered on someone else, and that such card would allow its owner to enter any sporting hall in the building.
With Emmanuel in his corner, Wlad, was unbeatable in my opinion
because the klitchkos were boring, nobody cares about them
@@samuelstyles5031 what a load of crap, they KOed most everyone they fought and people love KO’s. You’re boring with your repetitiveness and your posts KO nobody. I loved watching them fight.
@@bradtaylor4765 dude boxing is a dead sport now because the klitchkos were so boring. No one cares anymore since tyson/holyfield/lewis
Miller weighs - 305
Zhang - 285
Bakole - 285
Teremoana - 285
Ruiz - 275
Briggs - 265
Grant - 265
Fury - 262
Jalolov - 253
Parker - 250
Foreman - 220/250
Vitali - 250
Peter - 250
Joshua - 250
Whyte - 250
Ibeabuchi - 245
Lennox - 245
Kabayel - 245
Wladimir - 245
Dubois - 245
Sanchez - 245
Ruddock - 245
Hrgovic - 245
Itauma - 240
Wardley - 240
Bowe - 240
Ortiz - 240
Witherspoon - 235
Tua - 235
Dokes - 235
Bruno - 230
Morrison - 230
Cooney - 230
Thomas - 225
Usyk - 223
Lyle - 220
Tyson - 218
Holmes - 218
Wilder - 218
Ali - 218
Liston - 218
Frazier - 206
Dempsey - 187
*Moore - 175 lb Light heavyweight champion from 1952 to 1962.*
*Charles - 181 lb Heavyweight champion with lowest ever 42% KO's.*
*Marciano - 184 lb Heavyweight champion with 67" flyweight reach.*
Ooooo you don’t like rocky do you.
Miller - How many times as he been suspended for testing positive for banned substances?
Zhang - He's 41 years old. Boxers are in their prime between the ages of 26-32. I know that because you said so. The fact that a senior citizen is a force in todays HW division is a clear indication of how weak the division must be
*"Joe Frazier decimated opponents with the left hook. George Foreman’s wrecking ball right hand struck fear into the heart of the Heavyweight division. Mike Tyson’s uppercut was as accurate as it was pulverizing. But for Larry Holmes, it was the stick, that face busting left jab that led to one of the most dominant title reigns the glamour division has ever seen."* - Tom Gray January 2020 Ring Magazine
@@original.Bobbyd Rocky hit harder than Joe Frazier with both hands!!!
ROCKY HIT HARDER THAN ANYONE.
Who said it?
EVERYONE WHO WATCHED HIM FIGHT.
I had to work a man over but with Rocky they just wake up in the locker room.
Jack Dempsey.
He hit harder than anyone even max smelling.
Joe Louis.
He had the hardest punch I ever saw!
Floyd Patterson and Bert Suger.
ROCKY HIT HARDER THAN ANYONE INCLUDING SHAVERS
Don Turner...
@@dylonmc1733 Well in the annals of Boxing. What Larry Holmes said about Rocky Marciano not being a good enough Boxer to carry his Shorts is Demonstrably True. It's also true Larry Holmes was Robbed twice By the White establishment in the Michael Spinks fight. Larry Holmes was robbed to punish him for saying. Rocky Marciano was Not a very good fighter and Highly overrated. I love your comments 💯❗
Famed boxing historian Bert Sugar on Rocky Marciano
He had a suzy Q, the greatest right hand in the history of boxing Bert Sugar
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@Bobby.D.1776 LMFAO. I can't even finish your angry, jealous, racist rantings.
It's just freaking stupider and more obnoxious.
ROCKY KOd EVERYONE OF HIS TITLE OPPONENTS AND RETIRED WITH THE HIGHEST KO RATIO IN HISTORY UNTIL VITALI KLISTSCO CAME ALONG HALF A CENTURY LATER.
ROCKY WAS NEVER BEATEN AND YOUR JEALOUS RAGE RAMBLINGS CANT CHANGE THAT.
@Bobby.D.1776 LMFAO HAAAA HAAAAA HAAAAAA HAAAAA
EVERYONE WHO FOUGHT ROCKY OR SAW HIM FIGHT SAID HE HIT HARDER THAN EVERYONE INCLUDING ERNIE SHAVERS!!!
INCLUDING JOE LOUIS, , BERT SUGER, FLOYD PATTERSON, WALCOTT, JACK DEMSEY, CHARLES AND MOORE BUT YOU THINK YOUR ANGRY RACIST TROLL RANTS CHANGES THAT!!!
HAAA HAAAA HAAAAA HAAAAAA HAAAAA HAAAAAA A
"Sonny Liston's the meanest fighter that ever lived. No one's more intimidating. Not even myself." -- Mike Tyson
That's because Roberto Duran wasn't a heavyweight. That's freaking scary.
Mike Tyson said ROCKY LOVED TO FIGHT AND ONCE HE GOT STARTED HE WAS UNBEATABLE.
He also said IM HONORED TO BE PLACED IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS ROCKY AND JE HAD POWER AND SKILLS UNMEASURABLE OFF PAPER...
Ron kray was more intimidating. And he was a pro boxer too so get a grip
Larry Holmes made 20 defenses of the Heavyweight title over a seven year reign. Holmes is considered to have the best jab in history. He could use it as an offensive weapon to make openings for his slashing right hand. Larry possessed a rock hard chin, huge heart, and excellent stamina. He fought pro from 73 to 02. That's 29 years. He was 52. Rocky only fought 7 years and was only 31 when he Quit. Little Rocky would have to fight 22 more years to catch Larry. *"If you really want to get technical about the whole thing, Rocky couldn't carry my jock strap."* - Larry Holmes
HOLMES WAS BEATEN BY 180 LBS SPINKS AND HE ALSO SAID TYSON WAS TO SMALL TO BEAT HIM. LMFAO.
Here is David Frost again, ole Frosty flakes over here, spreading his Rocky hate. What a loser. 🤡🤡🤡
6' 5" 235 lb Undisputed Heavyweight Champion Riddick Bowe with 81" reach had a career 43 wins 1 loss. At his peak he was an excellent fundamental boxer, had a great chin, power in both hands, could fight inside or out, as you please. He would have been a stern test for any fighter who ever lived. Bowe was the first boxer to beat prime Holyfield and the only one to actually knock him out. After Bowe gave Holyfield his first loss, making him champion, he built a mansion and lost all interest in boxing. Bowe was finished long before the Golata fights. Trainer Eddie Futch said, *"Riddick had more untapped potential than any fighter he had ever known."* Prime Riddick smashes little Rocky 10 out of 10 times and that's not debatable!!!
Golota beat beat Bowe twice. Bowe also ducked Lewis.
@@stevetatten9422 that’s what I was going to say. Golota took Bowe to school twice and if Golota wasn’t so damn stupid he would have been HW champion
By 37 quarry was a punch drunk alcoholic to many head shots . Good reason to respect Floyd Mayweather Jr.
You never know..Marciano was known to have bone-crushing power, incredible stamina and a granite chin..He was small like Tyson..5' 10" but the three traits above gave him a good chance against anyone. That being said Bowe was a great champ and a helluva fighter in his prime.
@@Stout_Krout Around 1955, Rocky Marciano had his punch measured at a USA military installation, where it is believed that the test was conducted on a ballistic pendulum. Rocky achieved a score of 925 foot-pounds whilst wearing a 12oz. boxing glove. Those who witnessed the test could hardly believe what they had seen.
*Ike Ibeabuchi vs. David Tua threw 91 punches in round one according to CompuBox, 91 again in round two, and 95 in round three, obscene numbers for a Super Heavyweight. By the final bell, Ibeabuchi and Tua had combined to throw 1,730 punches, breaking the Heavyweight record set by Ali vs. Frazier III, when they combined for 1,591 punches - in 14 rounds, two rounds more than Ibeabuchi and Tua had to work with. Ike threw 975 punches, the most ever by a single Heavyweight. Both fighters had a brawling fight style, they were both 24 years old at the time of this epic battle and they were both undefeated going in to this fight. 226 lb Tua's record stood at 27-0 23 KO's while 236 lb Ibeabuchi's record stood at 16-0 12 KO's. This fight is the stuff that dreams were made of. Two Super Heavyweight warriors stood toe to toe exhibiting exceptional heart and endurance. Both boxers threw bombs and neither took a backward step.*
*21 months later, 245 lb Ibeabuchi confirmed that he was indeed the best up and coming Super Heavyweight on the planet by knocking out undefeated 26-0 quick and slick southpaw Chris Byrd. Ibeabuchi was now 20-0 with 15 KO's and only 26 years old.* (Byrd would later become two-time Heavyweight champion).
*No Heavyweight of his generation possessed more ability. He was a prodigy. He had amazing power, fierce determination and no fear of anybody. He believed that he was the King, that nobody could beat him. He’d walk into the ring and you would almost have this vision of a bull coming at a matador with the steam coming out of the nostrils.*
*((To claim little Marciano's endurance was better than everyone else's endurance is not only laughable but absurd and Super Heavyweights Ibeabuchi/Tua just proved it when they threw a record breaking 1,730 haymakers! The way Rocky fans go on and on about how he's the best conditioned fighter that ever lived is absolute nonsense. So Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali, Marvin Hagler, Manny Pacquiao, David Tua and Ike Ibeabuchi never trained? What a Joke. Little 184 lb Marciano gets flattened by the 245 lb prodigy Ibeabuchi 10 out of 10 times and that's not debatable!!!))*
Rocky threw one punch and had no idea what a combination was. He was mafia controlled and he was beaten once it just was a bad decision by the judges, see mafia controlled comment
Clueless 🤡s
Little Rocky's style will play into Liston’s Giant hands, as it will violate one of boxing’s holy grail rules and that is, “never slug with a bigger slugger.” Especially when that slugger’s name is Sonny Liston; simply put Liston does it all better than Rocky and also has height weight and major reach advantage. I can see Liston’s jab being an even more formidable weapon than usual in this matchup as he won’t have to go looking for Rocky. To put the concept of reach into perspective, you have Liston with a monster 84” reach compared to little Rocky's 67” reach- this would be decisive. I would favour Liston in a big way. Marciano gets flattened faster than Patterson!
Here is David Frost again, ole Frosty flakes over here, spreading his Rocky hate. What a loser. 🤡🤡🤡
Sonny Liston was a quitter. He got a little lumped up by little thin light hitting Muhammad Ali cried look at him on his stool. He’s crying he’s a little lumped up Rocky would break his soul Rocky Marciano doesn’t have to prove list and has to prove in both of Lon’s biggest moments on the world stage, he shit the bed totally shit the bed. Liston has to prove he can perform in a big fight but he couldn’t when it counted.
I saw all of his televised fights that exist on film and I saw all his fights in person in M.S.G. I sat ringside for Quarry v Shavers, Frazier, Lyle, Chuvalo but the one that amazed me the most was his KO over Shavers.
Puncher of The Century Earnie Shavers is known for being the hardest puncher in Heavyweight boxing history. He scored 69 knockout wins, including 23 in the first round.
So powerful, both Joe Frazier and George Foreman told boxing writer Jerry Eisenberg they would never fight Shavers. Real fighters knew enough to avoid him. His incredible one punch power made him more than dangerous. George Foreman told him personally when Earnie lobbied for a fight, "hell no." Joe Frazier told Shavers bluntly when Shavers asked him for a shot, "No way, Earnie.”
Hall of Fame and all time greats Ali and Holmes both said Shavers power, especially his one punch power, was simply unrivaled. But they, and others, also said a lot more..
Angelo Dundee, the great trainer, said "Earnie wasn't really a good boxer, but God, his power was amazing."
Muhammad Ali said after his match with Shavers, "Earnie hit me so hard, he shook my kinfolk back in Africa"
And when fighters had to meet him, they left in awe. Tex Cobb said "Earnie could punch you in the neck with his right hand and break your ankle." He also said, "if a man hit any harder than Earnie I'd shoot him."
Ron Lyle: "Hey man, that's the hardest I've ever been hit in my life. And George Foreman could punch, but none of them could hit like Earnie Shavers did. When he hit you, the lights went out. I can laugh about it now, but at the time it wasn't funny."
Larry Holmes, comparing Shavers to Tyson, said "Earnie hit me harder than any other fighter, including Mike Tyson. He hit me and I was face down on the canvas hearing saxophonist Jimmy Tillis."
Jimmy Young, who was knocked cold by Shavers in his first fight, but survived the second, said "I was not gonna get tagged by him again, no sir!"
Nor were fighters and trainers the only ones who saw and marveled at Shavers sheer overwhelming power. Hall of Fame sports journalist Jerry Izenberg said of Shavers, "rarely did Earnie hit anyone below the neck; he was a headhunter and a good one. For me, Shavers was the greatest one-punch hitter I have ever seen."
"However, while Shavers struck serious fear into his opponents, such freakishly big hitting power had its drawbacks for the man himself," said Kenny Rainford.
“Being such a big puncher actually hurt my career,” says Shavers. “I relied on my power too much. I wish I’d had trainers that could have taught me more about combination punches."
“I used to gas out in five or six rounds because I put that much effort into my punches and it was impossible to punch for an entire fight without tiring out."
In the years that followed, Rainford met Ali and asked him about the famous fight with Shavers.
“I can not remember the last round of our fight,” Ali admitted. “He hit me so hard that for fourteenth round, I was on autopilot. I can’t remember a thing. When I’ve watched the fight back, and see the way I rallied in the fifteenth round, I was doing that off memory.”
Shavers reigned down on Ali with 266 punches that night. Afterwards, Rainford claims, the New York commission stated Ali would never fight in New York again after doctors discovered tears on his brain.
Eig's study, conducted by Arizona State speech scientists Visar Berisha and Julie Liss found that Ali's speech slowed by 16 percent after a 15-round bout with Ernie Shavers in 1977. Shavers, a brawler, landed 266 punches throughout the fight. If one fight had to be picked, Ernie Shavers inflicted the most damage.
Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again.
During the deepest era in light heavyweight history Gold Medalist Undisputed Undefeated HOF ATG GOAT Michael Spinks beat Eddie Mustafa Muhammad, Dwight Muhammad Qawi, and knocked out Yaqui Lopes and Marvin Johnson. Which was not easy to do in their primes. Michael also beat Heavyweight champion Larry Holmes to win the title, who was also undefeated. Michael Spinks is the most accomplished light heavyweight in history.. Even Archie Moore himself said, *"Michael Spinks Would Have An Edge Over Ezzard Charles."* -@ Rare Archie Moore Interview
LH Charles lost *(25)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times!
LH Moore lost *(23)* times and was KO'd *(7)* times!
*LH Gold Medalist Undisputed Undefeated Hall of Fame All Time Great Michael Spinks 'NEVER LOST'!!!*
@Bobby.D.1776 What a joke you are. Archie Moore started fighting in 1935 and was almost 50 in 1963 when he retired. He fought 220 times ,186 wins 23 losses and 10 draws. Also Mr know it all he knocked out 132 men. Yet you denigrate one of the 3 greatest light heavyweight champions of all time??? What a dope you are. Most of his losses were against men who were heavyweight champions or would become HW champs. Plus he was past 35 for most of his losses. Michael Spinks did not beat Larry Holmes that was a fix from the word go. Especially the second fight. Spinks is definitely a top ten light heavyweight but he pales in comparison to Moore or Charles. You also probably didn't know Charles was much better as a light heavyweight than heavyweight. Also after Charles killed Sam Baroudi he was never the same. Ezzard also KOed 52 men which is over twice as many as Spinks (21) oh let's remember that the last image we saw of Spinks he was being brutalized by Tyson. At least when Moore lost to Marciano he got up 3 times and also dropped Marciano in the second. The ref screwed up by giving a standing 8 to Marciano but oh well. Please remember Qawi ( Braxton)and Muhammad were both on coke when Spinks beat them.
I've only lately come across Jerry Quarry as I was a little too young to remember him at his best. I'm glad to have seen some of his fights. What an exciting and skillfull fighter. May he rest in peace.
*Vitali Klitschko 6' 7″ 250 lbs KOs 87% with 80" reach only lost twice due to horrible cut and torn rotator cuff. He never hit the canvas and was never behind on judges scorecards after the 2nd round. He had excellent power with granite chin and great determination with PhD-intelligence. Vitali would have been a Huge factor in any era. Prime Vitali puts little 5' 9" 184 lb Rocky into a nursing home, permanently.*
Wlad had a weaker chin, but would have destroyed Rocky.
wow, you a fan boy?
@@axia6372 he listed quite a few boxers that would have destroyed Rocky so call it what you will. Just cause now it’s a Klitschko, you hater boys have to come out of the woodwork
@@bradtaylor4765 fan boy
@@axia6372 you’ll enjoy 8th grade this year, little boy
A terrific fighter. A warrior. Was good enough to hold his own with Frazier without leaving the pocket.
*For 9 years from 1955 to 1964 Liston decimated his division. There were 14 fighters at the top during Sonny’s time who flatly refused to fight him:*
Hall of Fame undisputed Heavyweight Champion Joe Frazier (Joe accepted, his management said hell no, and vetoed it).
Hall of Fame undisputed Heavyweight Champion Ingemar Johannson refused to fight Sonny.
Bob Foster (light heavyweight Champion but fought for the Heavyweight title twice) refused.
WBA Heavyweight Champion Ernie Terrell refused to fight Sonny.
WBA Heavyweight Champion Jimmy Ellis refused to fight Sonny.
Bob Baker declined too.
So did Henry Cooper, who said: “I don't even want to see him walking down the street, let alone in a gym!”
Karl Mildenberger declined as well.
Jerry Quarry (his father refused to make the fight).
Tommy Jackson refused.
Doug Jones did too.
Harold Carter did as well.
So did Joe Erskine
and Bob Cleroux.
*That is 14 top fighters who refused to fight Sonny, including 4 Champions.*
*Sonny is the most ducked fighter in boxing history.*
*On the other hand Rocky was "'NEVER'" ducked.*
*Moore, Walcott and LaStarza repeatedly petitioned to fight Rocky for years. EVERYONE wanted to fight Rocky bcz he couldn't hurt you the way Sonny could.*
*Little Rocky didn't even come close to cleaning out his division.*
*He ducked Marty Marshall, Johnson, Maxim, Pompey, Bivins, Satterfield, Valdez, Lloyd Marshall, Oakland Billy Smith, Clarence Henry, Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard, Jackson, Bucceroni and Baker just to name a few.*
Student. Great comment. I’m 58. My dad used to say everyone crapped their pants with Liston. He said his jab was like a piston. He could never be convinced the 2 Ali fights weren’t fixed.
I’m from Bayonne. Wepner didn’t duck Sonny. Chuck was Sonny’s last fight. Went 9 rounds. 10-round fight. I’d work out at the YMCA while Chuck was there. He was good friends with my dad, who boxed and who was a longshoreman then a detective then a bar owner. I’m sure he and Chuck, who was a liquor salesman, talked about Liston.
Chuck trained at Buffano’s in Jersey City. Liston would train there from time to time. I’m sure they sparred.
@clemfarley7257 Your Dad is right. Ali couldn't possibly beat Liston, unless both fights were fixed. The 2nd fight is a joke, obvious fix.
Jerry Quarry was my favorite boxer during my teen years. He was a very talented boxer and a charismatic person. It was terrible to see this fine athlete deteriorate as he did. Nonetheless, he provided sports fans with many exciting and memorable moments in what was a very competitive era in heavyweight boxing history. Lastly, I do not believe that he could have beaten Rocky Marciano.
would have been a good fight, Quarry was better than any contender Marciano defended his title against.
@@kartzstormstool861Jerry Quarry would have gotten stopped by Rocky Marciano sometime after the 8th Round!!!
@@SamuelJohnYoungIII Wrong. Little Rocky didn't fight anyone worth a damn. Then he abruptly quit just before being embarrassed.
@@SamuelJohnYoungIII 178 to 188 lb tiny cruiser Marciano's opponents (not in exact order): *We see their entire-CAREER record, not a partial record.* Seeing a boxers complete resume gives a more accurate evaluation how good, or how bad they are. Pro boxers can easily be evaluated using grades *A, B, C, D, F* which has been used for decades:
Lee Epperson career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Weeks career record 0 wins 1 loss *F-LEVEL*
Gilbert Cardone career record 0 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL*
John Edwards career record 1 win 2 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bill Hardeman career record 1 win 7 losses *F-LEVEL*
Humphrey Jackson career record 4 wins 3 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Haft career record 12 wins 7 losses *F-LEVEL*
James Connolly career record 12 wins 9 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harry Bilazarian career record 15 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Bob Jefferson career record 3 wins 10 losses *F-LEVEL*
Harold Mitchell career record 7 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gilley Ferron career record 4 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Artie Donato career record 7 wins 13 losses *F-LEVEL*
Johnny Pretzie career record 10 wins 14 losses *F-LEVEL*
Don Mogard career record 20 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Pete Louthis career record 32 wins 14 losses *D-LEVEL*
Tommy DiGiorgio career record 9 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Kenne Simmons career record 9 wins 22 losses *F-LEVEL*
Art Henri career record 18 wins 29 losses *F-LEVEL*
Jimmy Walls career record 21 wins 41 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry career record 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Ted Lowry (twice) 71 wins 68 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino career record 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Gino Buonvino (twice) 24 wins 15 losses *F-LEVEL*
Joe Dominic career record 18 wins 12 losses *F-LEVEL*
Eldridge Eatman career record 22 wins 21 losses *F-LEVEL*
Willis Applegate career record 12 wins 16 losses *F-LEVEL*
Lee Savold career record 104 wins 45 losses *D-LEVEL*
Phil Muscato career record 56 wins 23 losses *D-LEVEL*
Bill Wilson career record 56 wins 27 losses *D-LEVEL*
Johnny Shkor career record 31 wins 19 losses *D-LEVEL*
Fred Beshore career record 35 wins 17 losses *D-LEVEL*
Jimmy Evans 18 wins 8 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Eddie Ross 19 wins 5 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 10 debuting amateurs and 7 other opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bob Quinn 20 wins 4 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 13 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Bernie Reynolds 53 wins 13 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 30 opponents with 15 fights or less.*
Pat Richards 24 wins 9 losses looks okay until you see *he fought 20 opponents with 10 fights or less.*
Carmine Vingo 16 wins 2 losses looks good until you see *ALL 16 wins came against F-LEVEL opponents.*
Don Cockell 66 wins 14 losses looks okay until you see the majority of his career was at middleweight and light heavyweight. *By the time he faced Marciano he was suffering from severe glandular disorders that wreaked havoc with his physique. He was sallow-skinned, fat, and had a nasty boil on his neck.*
Harry Matthews 90 wins 7 losses is a good B-LEVEL resume until you see *he was a career middleweight moonlighting at light heavyweight.* Matthews weighed 130 lbs vs. Joey Parks who also weighed 130. *Shouldn't one have to beat credible Heavyweight opponents to be respected as a legitimate Heavyweight?*
Roland LaStarza *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza Refused fights with Charles, Moore, Walcott, Louis, Valdez, Satterfield, Bivins, Maxim, Henry, Baker, Johnson, Pompey, Marshall, Smith, Sheppard etc. In an article in RING magazine after his career LaStarza admitted as much!
Rex Layne *C-LEVEL.* LaStarza vs. Layne reminds me of watching two midwest club fighters fighting a 4 rounder on an old ESPN card from Muncie, In. Two guys who were not well schooled, standing in front of each other acting like they were insulted if the other guy missed them with a punch. A lot of right hand leads, a lot of jabs with the rear foot leaving the canvas, little/no counter punching, just two guys willing to get hit but showing little boxing skill. Look how bad Rex Layne swings and misses. What an oaf.
Joe Walcott *C-LEVEL.* Walcott's losses is what elevated his status and built up his credentials, not his wins!!! The fact that Walcott was granted (6) title attempts in a (5) year span speaks volumes about how weak the Heavyweight division was at this time!!! And (4) of these title opportunities came immediately after a Walcott loss!!!
Archie Moore *A-LEVEL* MW/LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. Heck, Low Power 171/173 lb Charles beat him 3 times, 182 lb Patterson obliterated him, and 188 lb tiny cruiser Marciano smashed him. Every time Moore Stepped-Up in competition he got KO'D.
Ezzard Charles *A-LEVEL* LH and *C-LEVEL* HW. William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness in his limbs, and some numbness, as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights, and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano
There it is. Y'all are intelligent enough to make your own judgement about Rocky's *F-LEVEL* resume. Who did he fight? Walcott was 40, Moore 42, Charles had ALS and Louis was washed. To continue claiming he was the Greatest or even top 10 Greatest Heavyweight is absurd. It's no wonder Hall of Fame trainer Emanuel Steward said, *"Marciano was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10", exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. 188 lbs was just too small."* @ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight
*"Name one, just one 'Prime' all time great boxer Rocky beat? Failing to name even one proves my comment rings true. Show me any respected boxing publication or analyst that claims Walcott Charles Moore Louis was 'Prime' when they fought him?"*
Floyd Patterson wrote in Victory Over Myself:
*“I loved Cus, but he was not going to let me fight the best because he was afraid I was going to lose. I decided a Champion had to face everyone, even if he loses, and I felt better despite the losses."*
Ironically, even though he lost to Liston and never regained the title, he is still ranked in the top 20 heavyweights of all time precisely because he fired Cus, and fought real contenders, rolling up a record worthy of the Hall of Fame.
After he fired Cus, Floyd faced:
Muhammad Ali
Sonny Liston
Eddie Machen
Henry Cooper
Jimmy Ellis
Oscar Bonavena
Jerry Quarry
George Chuvalo
*"I decided a Champion had to face everyone, even if he loses."* (SOMETHING MARCIANO NEVER DID)
Marciano knew he'd have to eventually confront Cleveland Williams, Johansson, Patterson, Liston, Machen, Folley, Valdez, Cooper, Miteff, London, Mildenberger, Jones, Terrell, Chuvalo, Clay, Bonavena, Quarry, Martin and Ellis just to name a few.
*EVERYBODY coulda found out how Marciano woulda done against all these guys had he not Up-n-Quit so abruptly after a measley (7) years while everyone else was fighting (15) to (25) years. For Pete's sake he was only 31 his last fight.*
All boxing fans love Jerry!
Rocky fangirls hate him bcz prime for prime Jerry woulda KO'd Rocky.
Holyfield vs Quarry would be Brutal War
I like Quarry. I remember him when I was a kid and having dabbled in boxing myself and consider myself a decent historian of the sport, no way Quarry beats Marciano. I don't know why people always say Quarry was a talented fighter. He was easy to hit, so he was not a good boxer, and he only KO'D 32 out of 53, Marciano 43 out of 49. Quarry had 9 losses 6 by Ko, Marciano 0 losses. Marciano was the best-conditioned heavyweight in history. He could throw non-stop punches for 15 rounds. That would have been too much for Quarry. Was Quarry a talented fighter? No, he was a very tough fighter with a tremendous heart. Was Marciano a talented fighter? No, he was a tough fighter with tremendous heart, superbly conditioned and a great puncher with both hands.
You are right especially if he went toe to toe like he did with frazier.His best strategy would have been would have been to box, stick and move and counter punch. The problem is quarry had a stamina problem, getting tired in later rounds and Rocky would eventually land one.
I disagree. I think you're under valuing Quarry's ring skills. He could not only hit hard, but he could counterpunch and box fairly well. Check out his fight with Ron Lyle. Problem was that in some fights, he wasn't in top condition. Like the Norton fight where Jerry had hardly any training for, but took it for the money. Norton, on the other hand, was in peak shape.
I think that Quarry would've given Marciano a good fight. Clearly, we'll never know who wins such a bout, but I'd give the edge to Quarry. That is if Jerry was in the same condition he was in for Lyle and Shavers.
Also, I'd add that Quarry's opposition was tougher. Cheers.
Jerry is in the Boxing Hall of Fame. He attended his induction ceremony with his brother a couple of years before he died.
He ought to be in both!@@Stout_Krout
Imagine what he would have done to Fury,AJ and their ilk.What he did to Shavers was just a small example of what he was capable of.
Jerry couldn't beat the Black Rocky --Smokin Joe Frazier
Every one of Marciano’s opponents said they would beat him. God bless Jerry, heck of a fighter.
I always liked Jerry Quarry & rooted for him to win. He gave it his all in the ring in every bout he fought! Unfortunately for Jerry he just couldn’t win the big one. RIP Jerry Quarry..
Gerry will always live on. A great fighter. ❤
Soft spoken Lennox Lewis at his best was the total package. The last undisputed Heavyweight champion emerged as cream of the crop against some of the biggest punchers in Heavyweight history. Lennox avenged his only two defeats by knockout. He didn't make excuses for his losses, he said, *"It's Heavyweights, you can get caught, but i won the rematches in style,"* and *"Show me a Heavyweight champion without a loss and i'll show you a fighter that fought a lot of nobodies."*
In my opinion 59 year old Lennox Lewis is the GOAT. To hear him talk so clearly and eloquently after going up against 18 Heavyweight Champions is remarkable.
The 18 HW Champions Lewis faced: *Vitali Klitschko, Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson, Shannon Briggs, Frank Bruno, Tony Tucker, Hasim Rahman, Oliver McCall, Mike Weaver, Henry Akinwande, Tommy Morrison and Ray Mercer were later recognized as WBO champions, British HW champion Gary Mason, European HW champion Jean Chanet, Commonwealth HW champion Derek Williams, Canada HW champion Razor Ruddock, IBF/WBF HW champion Michael Grant and WBC International HW champion David Tua* [[ technically not all were 'World' champions but champions nonetheless ]] *Other notable mentions; Olympic HW Silver medalist Riddick Bowe, Olympic HW Gold medalist Tyrell Briggs, Andrew Golota, Zeljko Mavrovic, Frans Botha and Phil Jackson*
How many prime topnotch
genuine 200+lbs Heavyweight
and 224+lbs Super Heavyweight
Champions did little 184 lb Rocky fight?
Imagine little Rocky trying to fight topnotch
Super Heavyweights with 80" to 86" albatross
wingspans and 30 to 100 lb weight advantages?
I'm sorry Heavyweight was only 175 back then bcz it sure as hell ain't today. It's no wonder Emanuel Steward, an American boxer, trainer, and proven boxing Genius who trained 41 world champion fighters throughout his career said, *"Marciano was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10", exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. 188 lbs was just too small."* @ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight
It's amazing the way Rocky fans belittle Lennox for losing twice yet they always fail to mention the *((753))* losses Rocky's opponents had? Why is that? For Pete's sake *((753))* losses is astronomical. Why so many? *"In the old days, ringers could boost their income by fighting repeatedly. Padding your record against weak opponents can yield good results-The real stumble-bums are the guys who make a career of losing. In small-time boxing, the less-talented fighter often gets most of the cash. He is, after all, providing a valuable service by losing so reliably and helping other fighters pad their records."* --The Ring Magazine by Andy Bowers
Hall of Fame sports journalist Jerry Izenberg said of Shavers, "rarely did Earnie hit anyone below the neck; he was a headhunter and a good one. For me, Shavers was the greatest one-punch hitter I have ever seen."
Muhammad Ali said in 'The Greatest': "With George I had to let him hit me, with Sonny I had to keep him from hitting me!”
So powerful, both Joe Frazier and George Foreman told boxing writer Jerry Eisenberg they would never fight Shavers. Real fighters knew enough to avoid him. His incredible one punch power made him more than dangerous. George Foreman told him personally when Earnie lobbied for a fight, "hell no." Joe Frazier told Shavers bluntly when Shavers asked him for a shot, "No way, Earnie.”
Jerry Quarry, a great fighter with a lot of heart. A tough fellow. Was sad to see him in his last years.❤
The night Jerry outboxed Ron Lyle was Jerry at his best .After that Foreman would not give hom a shot.Also Jerry fought Joe Frazier 2 with a brolen left hand which he got in his fight with Shavers I saw his left hand at his training camp being wrapped by Gill Clancy.. The middle knucle was extremly disdended and he had no power. with the left hook in the second Frazier fight.
That's correct. Jerry literally gave his life to the sport of boxing. Disregard all the haters. They're all Rocky fangirls. Prime for prime Jerry woulda KO'd Rocky.
Beautiful Tribute.
I agree but Rocky fangirls hate it.
The story of Liston winning the title from Patterson, memorizing a thank-you speech to deliver when he arrived back home (memorized because he couldn’t read) and then realizing nobody was waiting for him at the airport, and how crushed he was... fuckin' sad, man.
The U.S. Testing Co. was asked to measure the power of Sonny Liston's wallop. Its findings: *"Liston's knockout blow packs more explosive energy than a 50 caliber armour-piercing bullet and represents as much energy as would be required to spot lift 2,000 pounds one foot off the ground."* - Ring Magazine 1959
Quarry was a very good fighter. He had good power in both hands, moved well and had an iron chin. His biggest weakness was his defense .... or lack thereof. He tended to "pose" too often thus taking too many unnecessary shots over his career. In one way his iron chin was terrific, but that strength also led to his long-term downfall.
Jonathan Eig wrote of Sonny in Ali: A Life: “Liston does not merely defeat his opponents. He breaks them, shames them, haunts them, leaves them flinching from his punches in their dreams."
Rocky would have Broke this guy up and knock him out in the later rounds. Rocky's conditioning was unreal, he would be fighting just as hard in the 10th round as the 1st. Very few fighters could stay with him. He had a unique awkward style that actually took advantage of his short arms and he hit like a jackhammer. He would spend 3hrs a day hitting a custom made 250 lb Heavy Bag while training for fights.
William Dettloff’s biography *'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life'* documents that Charles first felt weakness and some numbness in his limbs as early as 1951. This was 3 years before the Marciano fights and it was also the same year he lost his title. Ezzard, his family, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Jimmy Brown, Chickie Ferrera and Bill Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. Bert Sugar said, *"His trainer, Ray Arcel said, that even now, at this stage in 51, and then on into the middle 50's, you could see the beginning, the traces of the disease, that would later claim his life, Lou Gehrig's disease in Charles."* --@ 35:01 ESPN Ringside - Rocky Marciano
I've always loved Quarry, he was unlucky in timing I guess you'd say. He was much better than several fighter's who luckily got the belt for a fight or 2, which I believe he very well could have done.
That said, because of mentality and conditioning, there's no chance he beats a Rocky Marciano who came on similar to Frazier, but hit harder and was more conditioned.
Quarry would have ruled the 1950s heavyweight divison. He had good hand speed, a great chin and a high ring IQ. With no 210 pound quality heavyweights around, who would stop him?
Hall of Fame and All Time Greats Ali and Holmes both said Shavers power, especially his one punch power, was simply unrivaled. Angelo Dundee said "Earnie wasn't really a good boxer, but God, his power was amazing."
QUARRY WOULD HAVE EASILY BEATEN MARCIANO. MARCIANO WOULD HAVE NEVER GOTTEN IN THE RING WITH A YOUNG DUDE WHO COUULD PUNCH, HE NEVER FACED ELIGHT TALENT
Sonny had an 84" albatross reach. Rocky had a-stubby 67" reach. A 17" reach advantage is a tall order to overcome, but when the man with the reach advantage is the most fearsome puncher in history it’s insurmountable.
Reach is a huge advantage but it doesn’t serve fighters well when they want to fight up close.
*According to Marciano himself, Muhammad Ali would have won. Rocky said three boxers in his lifetime were a bridge too far for him, a young Joe Louis, Sonny Liston, and Ali. Louis for hand speed and power, Ali for pure speed, and Liston for technical excellence and pure brute strength.* - Rocky Marciano, Mike Stanton, Johnathan Eig and Fight City
*"Marciano admitted he could not beat prime Louis, Ali and Liston."* - Monte D. Cox Boxing Historian
This information is HUGE and settles any debate as to who could beat who *!!!!*
Puncher of The Century Earnie Shavers 76-14-1 with 77% KOs is known for being the hardest puncher in Heavyweight boxing history. He scored 70 knockout wins, including 23 in the first round. Ron Lyle and Muhammad Ali ranked Shavers as the hardest puncher they ever faced. Shavers is directly responsibly for the early retirements of Ron Asher, Frank Smith, Bunky Akins, Bill McMurray, Harold Carter, Eddie Parotte and Larry Sims, all of whom he knocked out and never fought again.
I saw Jerry fight Chuvalo at the Garden and Joe Alexander at the Nassau Coliseum. I was ringside for the Chuvalo fight as a guest of former welterweight Freddie Menna. Jerry was beating Chuvalo handily till the knockdown. Jerry didn't have a problem with the bigger slower heavyweights like Lyle, Foster and Shavers. The guys with great hand speed like Ali and Frazier gave him big problems. RIP Jerry
"Sonny Liston stood up to me and actually made me give ground. No one has ever done that to me before or since." -- George Foreman
Marciano said his best weight he ever fought at was, "186lbs." Tyson was 220lbs at his fastest & best. About 235lbs at his heaviest. Rocky didn't have the speed or footwork to keep Tyson away or the skill or technique to keep him off. And saying that Rocky was tough… well,, tough can get you killed in the ring against a super power puncher with superior skills. This fight wouldn't last 2 rounds with a prime Tyson. And a non-prime Tyson would still be heavier and stronger. Rocky never faced anyone of merit who was near their prime. You wouldn't want Tyson to be your first. Bigger, faster, stronger. With malicious intent. No way Rocky would beat a prime Iron Mike.
"When you got hit by Sonny Liston's jab, it felt like you were getting hit with a telephone pole." -- Ray Schoeninger
Jerry Quarry would be a small cruiserweight today a weight class that didn't exist in his day. Jerry beat Ron Lyle Earnie Shavers Buster Mathis Mac Foster Floyd Patterson.
Rocky was smaller than Jerry. Rocky would probably be a light heavyweight today.
Quarry would have annihilated the very overrated Marciano who was crushed by Lastarza..Everybody who was at the fight said so..Everybody...
Lastarza got destroyed in the rematch
Jerry was a good fighter. But he lost to the greats of his era. No way he would have beaten Marciano. Rocky would have made short work of Jerry.
In the years that followed, Rainford met Ali and asked him about the famous fight with Shavers, “I can not remember the last round of our fight,” Ali admitted. “He hit me so hard that for fourteenth round, I was on autopilot. I can’t remember a thing. When I’ve watched the fight back, and see the way I rallied in the fifteenth round, I was doing that off memory.” Shavers reigned down on Ali with 266 punches that night. Afterwards, Rainford claims, the New York commission stated Ali would never fight in New York again after doctors discovered tears on his brain. Eig's study, conducted by Arizona State speech scientists Visar Berisha and Julie Liss found that Ali's speech slowed by 16 percent after a 15-round bout with Ernie Shavers in 1977. Shavers, a brawler, landed 266 punches throughout the fight. If one fight had to be picked, Ernie Shavers inflicted the most damage.
Jimmy Young, who was knocked cold by Shavers in his first fight, but survived the second, said "I was not gonna get tagged by him again, no sir!"
I think Quarry might have beaten Marciano. Jerry was a bit bigger and just as strong. Marciano fought in an era with very little talent, while Quarry fought in the greatest era ever.
Quarry was a contender , no disgrace. Marciano was a champion. Quarry could not make that hurdle.
Well, in all fairness, Marciano may not have been champ either if he faced the likes of Ali and Frazier.
@@waynej2608Do you have a crystal ball? There is no way of knowing the outcome of your fantasy fights.
I believe Rocky would have won, because as great as his punching power was, his stamina and toughness were even greater. But I would not say Quarry doesn't have a chance, because Jerry did so well in his career against some of the most dangerous ko punchers the heavyweight division has ever had. His wins over Shavers, Lyle, and Foster when those three looked liked Killers in their prime spoke volumes of Quarry's ability to beat the best. Even money I take Rocky. Give me good betting odds and I would take a chance on Quarry
@@jasondierbeck4392 *I know, i know, Rocky fans still believe that little 184 lb Rocky with tiny flyweight reach could beat every Super Heavyweight that ever existed with ease because he was faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive and able to leap tall buildings in a single bound. The Italian infant of Krypton was Superman. He broke 1,247 bones, knocked out 4,000 teeth and ruptured 792 blood vessels. And of course how can we possibly forget the 22 opponent's he killed with his 'Suzie Q' 44 magnum. I also know for a fact that little Rocky is god because when he walked the earth shook.*
@@Stout_Krout ok, so you think Quarry would have won. Maybe . I said Quarry had a chance. But Rocky is more underrated than overrated. He is 6-0 with 5 KOs against four HOF fighters. We're they old, yes. But Jersey was the Champion and fighting at a high level at the time. Charles was highly ranked in two divisions. Archie was the best light heavyweight in the world and was probably actually bigger than Rocky at fight time. And Joe Louis at the time he fought Rocky was still imo better than Jerry Quarry. I just don't see how you can be so sure that Quarry is better than Rocky?
I loved Jerry Quarry. A genuinely tough, fearless and talented fighter. But his style was made for Marciano.
Foreman & Liston style was made for Marciano also.
"I know I could have beaten Rocky Marciano." - Jerry Quarry
That actually says rocky was good for him to even acknowledge him.
Why is it when Joe Fraizer and Ali say rocky was better than them you never quote them?
Holmes says Mike Tyson was too small. LMFAO he destroyed Holmes.
He didn't have a chance of rocky like the commentator of this video said.
Not a chance not a chance, Jerry Cory I never knew you said that till now not even a chance easy pickings you couldn’t handle Frasier and Fraser only had a threat on one side think of an elite level athlete of a major league baseball player, and he only asked to look for one pitch from a major league pitcher that was Frasier. You only had to look for one pitch the left side that’s it. You couldn’t even get close to getting by him. Rocky Marciano was a two fisted attack much more lethal than FrasierCory, you were a good fighter not a great fighter a fighter your best day Rocky with a blue blue
@@dylonmc1733 LMFAO!!!!
He PAID FOR EVERYONES EXPENSES!!!
HE BURIED JOE LOUIS AND GAVE HIM MONEY THE REST OF HIS LIFE.
HE PAID VINGO AND EZZARD CHARLES EXPENSES.
HE ONLY RETIRED BECAUSE HE DISCOVERED HIS MANAGER WAS TAKING HALF HIS MONEY BEFORE DEDUCTIONS BECAUSE HE DID A CHARITY FOR A CHURCH BUT HIS MANAGER STILL CHARGED A FEE..
@@ScottHendrix-yz3du u know absolutely nothing about Rocky. He didn't pay anyone's expenses. Don't believe? Ask Rocky's nephew above. It's one thing to defend Rocky but it's another when u must continuously lie.
@@louisj.marciano3390 little Frazier LoL. What about Miller or Bakole or Zhang or Ibeabuchi or Foreman vs little tiny dwarfism arms?
Ali scored 164 points
Louis scored 138
Wladimir 136
Lennox 111
Holyfield 109
Holmes 88
Foreman 86
Frazier 84
Tyson 77
Marciano only scored an abysmal 48 points!
Ali is the only Heavyweight Champ with an A+LEVEL
(@ Top 10 Heavyweights from Rummy's Corner)
(also @ The Ring Magazines Annual Ratings)
*Rocky only scored 48 points for his top-10 yearly annual ranked appearances throughout his very short seven year career.*
*If that doesn't explain how weak he was compared to all the other Heavyweights then nothing ever will.*
I happen to be a big fan of Jerry Quarry. Liked his style, his guts & Irish determination. But, I've seen his fights & I doubt he could've defeated the likes of Rocky Marciano. Jerry was a bleeder. He lost some of his most important fights with lots of fight spirit still in his fists & standing -- but he was stopped by a TKO.
Rocky Marciano would not have been a good idea unless Jerry got really lucky early & KO artists like Jersey Joe Walcott & Ezzard Charles failed.
Rocky's endurance, stamina & strength was overwhelming. He trained much harder than average heavyweights & that was the key everyone seems to forget. He was fresh even in the late rounds (Look at the Walcott fight). That's scary & during the fight, he always came forward with fists firing away and with speed. You seldom see this today. He never clinches or allows it. Never appears tired.
Quarry would have the heart to fight Rocky & the experience -- especially doing well in the early rounds -- but he wouldn't have the resilience once he started getting hit with those solid Marciano punches.
Even Roland LaStarza admitted that wherever Rocky hit it hurt (Joe Louis echoed the same thing a few years later). Marciano sent LaStarza, a formidable puncher at the time, to the hospital with broken bones in his face after knocking him out of the ring.
It makes me sad what happened to Jerry Quarry. This is a boxer deserving of the heavyweight crown. He was a great fighter. Gave Ali a lot of trouble & Ali gave him chances.
Peculiar, that Sonny Liston who was still fighting at the time never signed on the dotted line to meet Jerry Quarry. Just a thought.
Jerry Quarry gave his all in the ring during a time when you had some of the greatest heavyweights of all time AT THE SAME TIME at their peaks …Quarry fought 3 of the best in Ali, Frazier and later Norton. Joe Frazier when asked about Quarry said “Jerry came to FIGHT!”
Jerry was the first of the white hopes since Marciano and was followed up decades later by Cooney.
***If you could’ve packaged Jerry’s ability to FIGHT with Cooney’s size and hitting power the dreams of all of those fans clamoring for a white heavyweight champ would’ve come true.
>The closest to that was Gerrie Coetzee who KO’d Dokes in 1983 …Coetzee didn’t fully fill the void because he was South African.
Chuvalo was before Quarry. His record was not as good but after the Doug Jones KO he was the first White hope for fighting Ali before being outpointed by Floyd at MSG.
@@josephshields2922 chuvalo is a canadian. I am talking about good old native born white man from the USA
Zora Folley, then #1 contender for the heavyweight title said when Liston hit him: “The lights went out, when I woke up I asked Sonny what happened and he said 'I hit you"
1946 *(Rocky's amateur bouts)*
1. April 15, 1946 Henry Lester *(L-DQ3)*
2. August 23, Frederic L. Ross KO-1
3. August 23, Richard Jarvis KO-1
4. August 23, Joe DeAngelis *(Loss-3)*
1947
5. January 17, Jim Connolly KO 1
6. Jan 17, Bob Girard *(Loss-3)*
*1947-03-17 Professional Lee Epperson fights Amateur Rocky Mack aka Rocky Marciano. Then Rocky goes back to the amateurs Jan, Feb, March 1948.*
1948 *(Rocky's back to amateur bouts)*
7. Jan 26, Joe Sidlaskis KO-1
8. February Charlie Mortimer KO-3
9. February George McInnis TKO-1
10. March 1, Coley Wallace *(Loss-3)*
11. March Fred Fischera KO
12. March George McGinnis W-3
*1948-07-12 Professional Harry Bilazarian fights Rocky Marciano. Don Cuoco & Don Cogswell just started legal proceedings to remove the Rocky Mack fight vs. Lee Epperson bcz once Professional you cannot go back to the amateurs.*
Louis Bravely fought *(17)* years...........Rocky only *(7)* years
Walcott Bravely fought *(23)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years
Charles Bravely fought *(20)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years
Moore Bravely fought *(27)* years.........Rocky only *(7)* years
Savold Bravely fought *(19)* years........Rocky only *(7)* years
Matthews Bravely fought *(19)* years...Rocky only *(7)* years
LaStarza Bravely fought *(14)* years.....Rocky only *(7)* years
Cockell Bravely fought *(10)* years.......Rocky only *(7)* years
Lowry Bravely fought *(16)* years.........Rocky only *(7)* years
Quarry got ragdolled twice by Frazier, who had a similar style to Marciano only he didn't hit as hard. Him saying he would beat the Rock is dubious at best
Larry Holmes, comparing Shavers to Tyson, said "Earnie hit me harder than any other fighter, including Mike Tyson. He hit me and I was face down on the canvas hearing saxophonist Jimmy Tillis."
"Liston could scowl as hard as any man in or out of the ring. And, of course, he invented the big stare." -- Joe Louis
I'm not sure Quarry would have beaten Marciano but I think Marciano would have had a difficult time if he'd fought in Quarry's era. I don't think Marciano would have been champion in Quarry's era.
Quarry's biggest drawback was his management. I think his father managed him. He was allowed to spar without head protection. This accounts for his later dementia. Folks don't realize these guys are boxing every day in training against some tough partners. They also employed some stupid strategy like trying to out box a boxer in the Ellis fight and trying to out slug Frazier in that one. I would have had him stick and move against Frazier. I would never have allowed him to fight Frazier the second time. I imagine that too did damage. Who told him to take a rest in the Chuvalo fight and wait until nine?
@@josephshields2922 Yeah fighting Frazier the second time went just exactly the way it went the first time. I also wonder why anybody thought it would go differently.
And yeah you're right Quarry's corner should have had him box Frazier and maul Ellis.
Marcianos wins began with his training regime. He wore down bigger smarter heavyweights like Chaeles and Walcott with sheer determination and fitness which overwhelmed his opponents late in the fights. And he was always outweighed.
Jerry was a very, very good fighter in an era of great ones. But the reality is Marciano would have destroyed him. Remember prime Quarry only fought a draw against Patterson. Quarry and Bonavena would have been a good matchup, too bad it never came off. Marciano was stronger, tougher, had better stamina, and hit harder. But Jerry was tough and had there been a cruiserweight divsion in his day he would have been champ for a decade.
Jerry knocked out Earnie Shavers in the first round. The fights with Patterson were early in his career. I don't know who would have won if Jerry fought Rocky, but prime Jerry would have given Rocky all he could handle.
How do you figure that when he lost to Ellis ? Don't you think Ellis would have been in that same division?
@@josephshields2922 Jerry fought Ellis with a bad back which was stupid to do. He still kept it close. He needed surgery a week after the fight. He would have won a rematch IMO
@@stuartperry1047 Chuvalso scored a legit knockdown over Jerry, if not a legit kayo. If Chuvalo could hurt Jerry, Rocky would have finished him. Rocky hit much harder than Chuvalo and unlike George he threw punches in bunches.
Archie Moore decked Rocky. Archie was a light heavyweight. You can't judge a fighter by who knocked him down. Oscar Bonavena knocked Joe Frazier down twice- and lost. Joe never decked Oscar. Joe knocked Ali down and won the first fight. Joe got knocked down 6 times in his first fight with Foreman. Big George knocked him out. Ali knocked George out, but he was never able to knock Frazier down in 3 fights. Jerry had a strong chin.I think he was only knocked down 3 times, and he fought some rough guys.
Of Muhammad Ali's 61 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 38 times (62.295%), winning 33 (54.098%) of them. He also fought a total of 49 bouts that boxers that were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 61 bouts. That's a percentage of 80.3279%.
Of Joe Louis's 72 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 34 times (47.887%), winning 31 (43.056%) of them. He also fought a total of 54 boxers that were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 72 bouts. That's a percentage of 76.056%.
Of Rocky Marciano's 49 bouts, he fought boxers that were rated in the top 10 in the world when he fought them 11 times (22.44898%), winning all 11 (22.44898%) of them. He also fought a total of 16 bouts that boxers were rated in the top 10 at one time or another in his 49 bouts. That's a percentage of only 32.653%. (Of those 11 times not one opponent weighed over 200 lbs except for ring-worn and washed Joe Louis).
Emanuel Steward was an American boxer, trainer and proven boxing Genius who trained 41 world champion fighters throughout his career. What did Emanuel have to say about Marciano? He said, *"Marciano was too small. He really wasn't a Heavyweight. 5' 10", exceptionally short arms, very clumsy, cut easy, had troubled balance. 188 lbs was just too small."* @ Emanuel Steward: Ali all time greatest, Klitschko number eight
Of all the men that Qarry lost to, the only ones that I think that he would not have ever beaten were Ali and frazier. I felt that after the second Frazier loss he really was then finished. I think that he could have beaten Norton in Jerry's prime. Also even at the time when I was only like 12 yrs old, could not understand why he went after Frazier, and not for a rematch with Jimmy Ellis. Like the one man above says about Quarry, he should be in the IBHOF, so should Ellis. I don't think that he would have beaten Marciano, but it is possible that when Floyd Patterson was champ in the late 50's, he might have been able to defeat Paterson.
"When Sonny gave you the evil eye - I don't care who you were - you shrunk to two feet tall. And one thing more; he could fight like hell. They forget it now, but when Liston was champ, some people thought he was the greatest heavyweight of all time." -- Harold Conrad
Sonny was born into a family that couldn't afford for him to go to school, and when the family mule died, his father hitched his 9 year old son to the plow. Why? Simply the history of kids working on the farm. However the story would seem to accentuate the point of how strong Liston was. He grew up with a father that eventually disappeared and a mother who was on and off drugs. He use to hang out in abandoned houses and hide from other people. By the time he was twelve he had been arrested for street robberies and burglary around Brooklyn. He was rescued out of a orphanage/ boys home for juvenile offenders by Cus D’Amato not because he was a shining knight but he could make money off his athletic talent.
"Liston was a different breed; what a specimen." - Cus D'Amato
Nino Valdes, as he lay dying from cancer, drugged heavily with morphine, was asked by his family if it hurt, and said: “Not as bad as getting hit by Sonny Liston!"
Rocky's brother, Peter, said, *"His punches were measured by a professor at Harvard and there's a writing on it, and this professor gauged the strength of his punching blow to like X amount of pounds, it's almost like a small automobile hitting you."* --@ 42:01 Rocky Marciano: A Life Story | Full Movie | Marino Amoruso
Harvard's only 27 miles away from Brockton, Rocky's hometown, and *"gauge"* means *"to make a judgement."* So there it is, a deceptive, distorted, misleading and untruthful story about our military building a gizmo inorder to test his punching power and all along it was a hometown teacher *"writing"* a story about his hometown hero. *(The bullshirt never stops does it, 5' 9" 178 to 188 lbs lmfao.)*
Even today it's mathematically impossible to test someone's punching power. They tried with UFC Heavyweight Champion Francis Ngannou and recently found out the PowerKube (gizmo) was inaccurate.
I quite enjoyed the 100 Greatest Heavyweight series, and it got me thinking about how nice a boost *"Time"* tends to give to a fighters ranking.
1962:
In December 1962, a Ring magazine poll of 40
boxing experts had Jack Dempsey rated the
#1 Heavyweight of all-time, with Joe Louis
2nd, Jack Johnson 3rd and Marciano 7th.
1971:
In 1971, Nat Fleischer, boxing's most
famous historian and also editor and founder
of Ring magazine named Marciano as the
10th greatest Heavyweight champion of all-time.
1998:
Despite the intervening years producing the likes of Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield, Klitschko's et al.," in 1998, Ring magazine named Marciano as the 6th greatest Heavyweight champion ever.
2005:
We float around to 2005 and
Marciano was named the 5th
greatest Heavyweight of all-time by the
International Boxing Research Organization.
2007:
In 2007, Marciano was named the 4th greatest Heavyweight of all-time by ESPN behind Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis and Jack Johnson.
2023:
We skip to modern day,
and somehow he's
been bumped up to 3rd.
Will he one day be greater than Ali???
It's easy to see Rocky's progression. The key is understanding why? Despite his perfect record against the weakest and smallest Heavyweight division of all-time Rocky was never close to being rated towards the top throughout the 1960's and 1970's. So why did he climb from 10th in 1971 to 3rd today? Bcz the greatest boxing historian whoever lived and founder of The Ring Mr. Boxing himself Nat Fleischer died in 1972. They all started passing away including Rocky in 1969. That's when his fame really started to grow. After his death is when all the sympathy articles begin to appear. Then it just grew and grew to the point where little 184 lb Rocky could walk on water and beat every Super Heavyweight champion with ease.
Lets take a look at your theory that time tends to boost a fighters ranking. Lets take guys like Jack Dempsey, Gene Tunney, and Jack Johnson. Has time given those fighters ranking a boost? If your theory is correct, it definitely would and they would widely be considered the 3 best HW's of all time. After all, much more time has passed since their career ended than Rocky. .
Only reason Rocky's KO against Walcott was so great is bcz he caught Walcott precisely on the point of his chin which snap-twisted his head around more than 90° cutting oxygen off instantaneously *(one in a thousand shot).* Little 5' 9" 184 lb Rocky catches lightning in a bottle *ONE* time and his fans automatically assume he's the "Most Powerful" puncher that ever lived. Besides that *ONE* lucky punch what other Great KO's did he have?? His *ENTIRE* legacy has been built around that *ONE KO!!!* We can all see clear as day that Rocky hit Cockell, LaStarza and Charles "Full Power" hundreds of times yet could not finish them! *There's not a single video of him permanently damaging anyone!!! It's been proven time and time again that most of his KO's were against divers being paid to help pad his record!!!*
if quarry said that he must haver been punchy sooner than everyone thought
Ezzard Charles said he first noticed the ailment in 1951, *"after a guy hit me, I didn't seem to be able to get away,"* he recalled, *"I didn't have the same coordination."* Ezzard himself, his family, Lou Duva, Burt Sugar, Ezzard's trainer's Ray Arcel, Brown, Ferrera and Gore all said they noticed signs of ALS in 1951. --'Ezzard Charles: A Boxing Life' by William Dettloff
*There's no room for debate, too many reputable witnesses.*
*(Renowned physicist Stephen Hawking lived with ALS for 55 years).*
*Any questions about the validity then I'd suggest filing defamation lawsuits against Ezzard, his family, all his trainers, Duva, Sugar, and biographer William Dettloff.*
"Liston was the biggest puncher I ever fought." -- Chuck Wepner