Broken Down IH 560 Farmall: WILL IT RUN????
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- Опубликовано: 25 ноя 2022
- Here I go on a service call to try to get an international 560 to run again
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The extra wire on the coil should be the by pass /relay feed from the starter solenoid. It by passes the reister to give the full 12 volts to the coil during starting. That starter bendix will chew up the ring gear if it hasn't already. That engine hasn't had any real maintenaince for so long, it needs the valve clearance checked. Run a compression test and see just how good the valves and rings are.
That’s why I wanted him to bring it here. I want to check all the valves and just give it everything that it needs, a very thorough tuneup. Yeah I thought of that after the fact, it’s like the old Ford trucks they had a bypass wire too to get full voltage while cranking
Great diagnosing of the start problem and so nice to see a young man show so much respect to the gentleman.I know you will get her running like new.
I’m sure if he brings it over here I’ll be able to get it going for him. Thanks for watching!!!!
This video reminds me of that labor rate sign. $100 hr. $125 if someone else worked on it. $150 if you watch. $200 if you try and help. You're far more patient than I.
🤣 yeah, I’m not really a fan of having somebody watch over me but it was nice having an extra pair of hands.
I can see an alternate title in the offing, "Ross The Oliver Man and Tractor Whisperer". Or maybe "More Fun on the Farm with Ross". Your Patience with your "helper" is to be Commended. Another fun video Ross. This is why I look forward to watching Your Videos. Stay Safe and God Bless.
Thanks Jack! He was a good guy and wanted to help. It’s harder for me to do anything when somebody’s watching me. I find I get a case of the stupid‘s 🤣
Yep! I'm the same way Ross. I get to listening and forget what I was doing. You're a Good Man Ross.👍
@@jackbraithwaite8345 thanks Jack!!
You're a patient guy with people, have to give you a lot of credit for that.
It’s a lot harder for me to work when somebody’s watching. I’m much more of a work on my own kind of person.
Not patient in the class room
@@ctfarms6471 If you knew the stuff I was thinking in my head and not saying out loud, then you’d understand how patient I really am being.
Who made the carburetor for those
@@dennisholst4322 I was thinking IH built their own
You can start up a new Red Green show, it was always good for a laugh, I would get the starter fixed first maybe it is low on power from not being wired right according to some of the other comments. Great call to bring it to your place, it will be cheaper for him in the long run and you can check out everything. Great video.👍
Thanks!!! I think I can definitely improve it. There’s a lot of stuff that needs attention. I don’t know if I can be as good as Red 🤣
560 farmall is one of my favorite farmall models. 560 with the German diesel yes sir. Great tractor
Cool tractor. Interestingly it was almost the end of IH. It had huge rear ended problems and it was the first major tractor recalls in history. Rumors are it cost around 19 million to fix it all. But they fixed it and in the long run it made for some loyal customers.
There were a lot of them out there even with the problem, so they must’ve fixed it. Thanks for watching!!!
I am not an IH person have never worked pn them or drove them. What was wrong with the rear end it would be interesting to hear
I guess it was a copy of I think the 400 rear and it wouldn’t take at added HP and not all failed but when the did it was catastrophic. They replaced most of the rear parts under recall regardless of if it broke or not.
We had a 63. The rear end was updated. Never had a bit of trouble with the whole tractor. It was easy on the diesel fuel and never took any oil or coolant. As far as them costing 19 million, I say Bullshit.
Wow what a mess, on the upside he found you instead of someone else who will take his money and leave him with a broke tractor. Looking forward to seeing this one running correctly in the near future.
Thanks Cory! I think I can bring it around and make it good again
I enjoy these videos...keep updates comming on 560. This why the smaller channels are my go to!😁👍
Thanks Troy!
A guy told me he learned in mechanics school when he was 18-19 years old. 15 is too young, 36 is too old, but 24 is just right. That was the firing order for a six cylinder.
(Now 36 is way too young for me.)
🤣🤣🤣 that’s the exact saying that I learned as well! I tried explaining that to someone the other day and they didn’t get it the first time 🤣
The things you were pointing out on the tractor sure were driving me nuts too. After you get done with it I know it'll run a thousand times better. Thanks Michael
Thanks Michael! It definitely has a lot of stuff to keep me busy for a while 🤣
I kept reaching for the dead blow hammer that I didn't have next to me to tap the starter.
Marvellous description of a problem with a miss firing six cylinder gas motor 🇬🇧🇮🇪.
He needs to change out that bendix drive on that starter. Best thing to do is have the starter rebuilt. You're right, those resistors do go bad over time.
Should only be 2 wires going to the coil. Learned a long time ago, when having issues like this, just go through the entire ignition system, clean the carb. readjust valves and double check that timing. These old tractors are so simple to work on. Great video, cheers :)
Thanks!! Yes, it needs a very thorough tuneup and I think it’ll be good to go.
Great Video, I learn something from you in every video.Great Job.
Thanks Chad!!
I couldn't stand that starter , just fix things when there messed up. I agree champion plugs are crap I use ac plugs or autolite . Couldn't stand the oil running all over the place either. Head gasket leaking can't be good too . Better be quiet from turkey creek farms be safe n thankful
Thanks Earl! Yeah, all that stuff was driving me nuts too. I think that the oil leak is coming from that side plate. That’s one of the things I’m going to address as well.
Looking forward to future videos on that tractor. Man I hope you fix the starter while your at it drove me nuts.
Thanks Jeff! He’s supposed to bring it some time so we’ll see. Yeah that thing about had me on my last nerve with that grinding 🤣
Great video Ross! I’m l@@king forward to the subsequent videos on getting the 560 back up to par!! Have a great weekend Ross!!
I want to add…. I appreciate that you explain what you’re doing in regards to troubleshooting the problem. Troubleshooting is something I’m not very good at! Thanks for doing that!! 😊
Thanks Donald! That was one of the biggest things I had to learn when I started doing RUclips, was that I needed to explain what I was doing. In the first videos I just did it and nobody knew what was going on or why I was doing what I was doing.
Enjoyed your relaxed demeanor, I am sure the Farmall gentleman did as well👍👍👍
Thanks! I try to just go with it no matter what happens 🤣
Champion plugs used to be a good plug, but for many years now I've had no luck with them lasting in my tractor engines. I seem to have the best luck anymore with good ol' AC plugs. They work well in both my Allis B and John Deere 40.
Looking forward to seeing exactly what the problem is. Too bad you aren’t closer - my neighbor has a 560 that could more than a little love.
I think I’ll be all loved out on red after working on this one 🤣
Even makin IH more better 😮. What a guy ! 😊 #oliver #johndeere
green wire is 12v coming from the start button. provides 12volt to the coil when starting and bypasses resistor momentarily
Thanks!!
Enjoyed the video. The red ones breakdown as well.
Thanks Meryl!!
Your on the right track with the tractor got to figure out what causing the miss could be bad valve or like u say the coil you'll get it right from watching the video you no what your doin have good one take care Ross
Thank you!
there's gotta be a basic equation between coil, point gap, condensor, voltage, and plugs, so we could measure the components and verify the combination. Thanks, Ross, appreciate the walk through and looking forward to finding that bent pushrod and loose rocker. And change the oil for crying out loud.
Yeah, that poor thing needs a ton of work but it must still be running because he never brought it yet.
Ross, please fix that man's starter! It pained me to hear that. Great video!
Thanks Scott! That will be the first thing to come off when it gets here 🤣
I found coils wired backwards would not run right.
Also a 12v battery charged backwards where the positive became a negative.
Once charged correct ran perfectly .
Owner changed so many part s for no reason.
I had an IHC 300 starter did that.
I took a Dremel and cleaned up teeth on flywheel and changed Bendix and nose cone bushing fixed it.
Good video,Thanks
Thanks for watching!!
Hope you take us along on this adventure
I will if he brings it over. It still hasn’t showed up :(
Looking forward to you working on the 560 again With the corn dog lol
Thanks John!!! I’m sure he’ll be watching while I’m doing it 🤣
one of the extra wires on the coil is from the I terminal on the starter solenoid which feeds full 12 volts to the coil while cranking to make up for voltage drop caused by the starter motor. I would also be very annoyed by that starter, good luck
I was wondering if that was the case. Thanks Steve! The old Ford trucks did the same thing. I think they have it wired up totally wrong because it looks like it’s already torched the new points.
Sounds right. Older delco starter solenoids had a R terminal that gave full battery voltage to coil bypassing resister from ignition switch. Points last much longer when charging voltage about 14.3 volts is cut down by resister to ?? Forget probably about 10 volts.
I will definitely be watching
I just talked to the guy today, he’s going to bring it in a few weeks so stay tuned!
I love my 560 but I’m very glad mine is a diesel!
I drove a 560 diesel once that had a turbo on it. I thought that thing had some life in it!!
OH NO ! Watch out Ross you might catch RED Fever ! LOL I just love working on wiring someone else has worked on several times before ! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhh Its about as easy to rip it all out and start all over from scratch and you know its right for your own piece of mind. I know you'll get it running smooth as silk again. Bandit
Yeah, I think it needs some major surgery to straighten out the hack job by the last guy 🤣 i’ll be sure to be careful, I don’t need any red ones hanging around 🤣🤣🤣
@@rosstheoliverman The only Red ones I would want hanging around is if the were Cockshutt's ! LOL I had the other red ones before and was not all that impressed with them to tell you the truth so I'll stick with the other good green paint ! All and maybe a little Long blue paint just for fun ! I've worked on enough stuff to know a hack job when I see it and when you do you just know your in for a lot of work that will drive you nuts the hole time ! I wish I would have videoed when I got into the dash of the long 900, You aint never seen so much wire behind the dash panel in your life ! Lets just say it all went bye bye and was wired like an Oliver 1550 diesel ! Run fine last a long time ! LOL Good luck working on the IH and "IF" you get to feeling off go to the doctor ASAP ! You dont want red fever ! Oh you missed a really good sale yesterday, The Oliver's went for big money and the JD's went cheep ! Oliver 566 5 bottom semi mount with all new ware parts on it and tires on it went for $550 ! Bandit
I'm sure the 560 will start and run as it should when you are done with it.
I hope so! It definitely can use some love.
@@rosstheoliverman I've never seen a engine that was ovehauled 4 years ago be so dirty. lol
New viewer here- enjoyed the video!!
Thanks!!! I’m glad you enjoyed it, I never know what I get into so be sure to tune in again 🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for sharing
Thanks!
Those 6 cyl IH are simple yet have a few complicated quirks. I grew up with a 656. The heat riser spring and flap on the manifold are critical. Full fuel flow thru a sediment bowl only is best (although a fuel pump with better filters is a great add on option ). Distributor slop affects running smoothly. Bent push rods can happen when a valve sticks from bad fuel. The 656 had A 6v coil with 12v starter bypass circuit. Also the 656 has an electric solenoid instead of a main jet screw--lots of problems between farm corroded wires and an occasional poorly built solenoid. These are usually sleeved engines, except the c301 in 806 or many of the combine engines.
Interesting that ih has cylinder numbers on the cap. A few distributors interchange but aren't right by application, who knows what's been swapped. There are generally straight or curved points that will fit,, i think the points plate is the determining factor there.. The timing advance mechanism can also rust stiff. We ended up replacing the manifold assembly on the 656 a few years ago and the phantom issues went away! IH wiring can get over complicated with only the lights being fused, and extra wiring like you're finding. kinda like an exercise of how complex can we get.
It’s amazing how much stuff gets altered over the years by people. The biggest problem with this tractor was being screwed up where it wouldn’t run, I never got to hear what it ran like before to know what the original problem was he was having. If I understood him right the way I left it it was running much better than it has in years and that’s not saying a whole lot.
I love the 560 tractors but they were the start of the end of international harvester
Good way to check for leaks on an intake is to spray it with break clean.
Very true! I should have brought more supplies with me but originally when he called he said he just wanted me to get it back in time. I didn’t think ahead that it might run awful.
That coil had me looking for my multimeter. I think that is a winner for the most wires going to a single post on a coil. I'll get the award printed up and sent your way.
You know the old saying for wiring up stuff: “when in doubt just hook it to the coil.” I bet the guy who wired this up has at least one junction box in his house that has 50 wires going into it.
I'm thinking that green wire goes into the harness, back where it can't be seen, splices into a red wire, goes back into the harness and goes right back to the coil.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris that’s true but if it’s like on a grain truck the red wire is three feet long, circles up to the dash and then heads to the coil, just for fun.
Nobody can listen to AM radio within 100 feet of that 560. You may also be sterile now.
@@ThatOliverGuyChris I wondered why I could change the TV channels now just by thinking about it.
Well that’s the way it goes
Sometimes better than others 🤣
Yeah that’s exactly. How I feel. Too it’s ok to have ur Owen opinion about things like that that’s what my Dad. Always said
Yeah that’s what I live by. Lol
Great job
Thanks!!
Had that been an Oliver it wouldn't have had problems in the first place 😂👍
🤣 now now, they all have problems eventually no matter what the color!
@@rosstheoliverman I'd take a good non running Oliver over all other colors 😂
Hi Ross don't no if i can help or make this more complicated lol
I see your working with a 12v coil with an external balst resistor, the coil has 2 lives to feed it 1 being a 12v feed from your starter so the coil only sees 12v at crank and the second live is from resistor the main 12v live comes from the key to feed the resistor to only give out 7v( if I remember correctly) to the coil so it don't melt the points with them being giving 12v constant . The coils you personally use has this built in to them so only need the 1 feed from the key . Hope this makes sense to you and helps but am inclined to go with you on the mechanic or carb issues as its was running and I think it be far worse running or struggle to start if it was ignition (no back firing etc).
Oh plus great videos fella keep them coming 👍
Thanks Andy! Yeah, I figured that out later on editing the video. The old Ford trucks were the same way they had a hot wire direct to 12 V that was only on during cranking. This poor tractor though needs a lot of wiring sorted out somebody’s been in there hacking and it’s all messed up. Thanks for watching!!!
You'll get to the bottom of it am quite sure your capable fella 👍 i like the way you work am a mechanic to trade but had to take over the farm when my father passed for my mother , I'm a Scottish farmer and the way I was brought up to look after the machinery isn't any different to yourself and the Scottish we love a good rant lol
Keep up the good work 🤣👍
You have to do a follow-up video - I need the Mystery of the Green Wire solved.... 🧐
Hopefully he’ll bring it and I can answer your question 😂
Thanks
Thanks for watching!
Hey Ross,I'm glad you are helping that guy. His story is very frustrating to listen to. They sell him the wrong parts, then charge him anyways, can't get it running for him, and leave him lost and frustrated with a tractor that is all messed up. And you sir,had it running in a matter of minutes. I'm sure you made his month. Glad there are still people like you helping the people who get left behind and dismissed.
Thanks! I wish I could’ve got it better for him right then, but if he brings it over here I’m sure I can get it straightened out.
2 wire coil, my had bent push rod runs good now
As you know, being the last guy to work on a machine after a dozen guys have tinkered on it is the greatest challenge.
Absolutely! I’ve encountered that situation several times. It’s much harder to work on after somebody else has failed.
the negative wire from coil to the distributor positive wires go to starter and the resistor
Thanks Richard! They had three wires hooked up and that’s not right. I got a book coming hopefully I can sort it all out. Somebody has rewired a bunch of this and it’s kind of a mess.
I've got a feeling that you probably won't see that tractor again until it totally grenades itself or something in that order. Him running it for at least 4 years with that toasted starter tells me that
Sadly I think you may be right. He hasn’t brought it yet and he said he was going to in the next few days. I bet it runs better than it has been so he’s just continued using it.
new to your channel , wow so interesting
Thanks James! I’m glad you enjoy the videos!
Thanks Ross the Oliver guy LOL
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First problem bad starter okay replace starter. Chances are you’re damaging ring gear on flywheel. Those early c 263’s were known for burnt exhaust valves they updated to IH stalite valves. Which are liquid filled , as far as bored out when overhauled? That engine had thin dry sleeves. Lol Good luck
Thanks! I think I probably have my work cut out for me on this one
Carl voice …. Ain’t got no gas in it
I like your channel
Thanks Mark!
The coil seems to be a long ways from distributor. The 560 wasn’t even in the same category as Olivers. They were pretty gutless around here.
I’ve never run one in the field but from the limited experience I have driving on I’ve not been that impressed.
if not bendix bad ring gear. i worked at a 110 cow dairy ALL THE TRACTORS were like that and every make/model hodgepodge every starter alternator no working brakes no working lights and dairy farmers get going 3am 365 he kept his dads beloved case970 that burned to the ground insurance paid for engine rebuild/new tires but everything inside of cab was charcoal because the money ran out i cursed that place everyday they started 1885 and sold out DAY AFTER I LEFT. btw did'nt want to loose my fingers working there i replaced every electric motor silo room conveyors/augers he had been starting them by grabbing on/spinning the pullies to make them start. i asked dimwit boss once why don't you fix the tractors? he said because i've always just pull started them
Some people can live with a lot of stuff not working but it would drive me nuts 🤣
Man that poor farmer, those parts guys are worse than useless. Your better off starting from scratch, some so called mechanics don't even know how to set #1 cylinder on the dist., That is one of the simplest engine to work on. Install Pertronix ignition, no more worries. At least it seems to be in good hands now. Good luck
Thanks!
I find it interesting your most viewed video is a Farmall and not an Oliver.
The oil rings might not have been put in correctly, but u said it does not smoke
It’s hard to say. If he brings it over to work on more I’m sure I’ll have a better idea of it’s condition.
Poor old tractor !! it could sure use some TLC.....
It has a lot of issues for sure.
The 560 have all been 12volt.
I was going to suggest that the green wire might be a low oil pressure/high temp cut out wire, but it didn't go to the negative side of the coil. So tracing it out is probably the solution?
Yeah, I’m going to double check all the wiring on this thing when he brings it. I think it’s got a lot of stuff messed up.
When he said he had over hauled it himself I thought well that explains alot right there. Most of the young mechanics have not been trained to diagnose a problem just to plug in the test equipment and replace what it tells them to. That is not their fault it is the lack of basic training for how things work and why. I have heard the statement, you don't know what you don't know. The dealer mechanics didn't have the basic diagnostic training to figure out that all of the basic requirements for it to run correctly were not working properly. I have done some of my own work but I know what I don't know so it goes to the shop where my mechanic can diagnose and fix it correctly. He knows I am not going to second guess what he does because he fixes what is wrong and it is correct. Good mechanics are worth the money but part changers are not.
There’s too many folks that put their trust in the computer and don’t learn the nuts and bolts side of things. The computer won’t tell you everything.
That starter did not sound happy. It was a reasonable decision to get the tractor to your place. The wires seem messed up and im not a IH expert. But I don't think the original coil was bad, but that resistor looks very sus.
Yeah, I hope he brings it. It definitely has things that can be improved.
@@rosstheoliverman I'm sure you can do miracles with it. I think you can still get a new wire harness as many other things for this IH model. Maybe Steiners tractor parts? Nothing there that can not be fixed and I would peek into the fuel tank for each case. Usually there are gremlins inside that can make it to the fine fuel system.
Is there a part 2 to this tractor diagnosis and repair?
He never brought it over. My guess is it’s still running “good enough”
OLD IRON,my friend
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Hopefully it doesn’t become a habit! It just feels wrong 🤣🤣🤣
The first thing I would do is throw those champion plugs in the garbage lol
Valves need to be set, seemed like the starter would barely turn it over at one point in the revolution
Yes, it needs a lot of attention. He’s going to bring it to me one of these days and I’m going to give it a good examination.
There is a wire diagram in the owner manual.
I ordered a book for it so hopefully I’m ready if he brings it over.
Sounded like push rod bent to me from what i could hear on phone ,.
He never brought it over so I guess we’ll never know 😭
Your all right you no your stuff and if you don't you go back to the specs.good man no your wrenching.
Thanks Phillip!
Good video. Have you ever owned a moline?
Thanks Lisa! No, I never have owned Moline. I owned one international for a short time and I’ve owned Fords but I think that’s about it.
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Thanks Paul!
Hi Ross good video as always, just wanted to let you know that I'm not sure if it's on my end or your end but every time I try to click on your Amazon store it says sorry can not connect
Thanks Wayne! I’ll have to check it out. I know it worked the other day when I clicked on it so I’ll see if I can figure out what’s going on.
Thanks Ross for looking into it
@@waynemilks2352 I think I got it fixed! Let me know if it gives any more trouble. Thanks!!
Working well Ross Thank you for taking care of that for me👍
@@waynemilks2352 no problem! Thanks for letting me know!!
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Thanks Mel!
What was the IH in the background? I am a red guy but the 560 was not one of their finest accomplishments................And for the record I own one.
I’m not sure, I don’t know the numbers of internationals well enough. I think it was one of those 88 series tractors but it didn’t have the sides on it.
@@rosstheoliverman It was, just curious if it was a 50, 52, or 5488......................at first I thought it might be a 34 or 3688, but it has the heavy rear cast centers so doubt its either of those. I always ask, looking for a 3488 Hydro.
@@tpfromcentralpa1692 I’ll try to remember to ask him when he comes over.
You always start repairing at the point the lat person was working on it. Usually you have to repairwatthey screwed up before you can fix the real problem.
Yup. That is definitely the case on this one
Looks like your friend doesn't do much preventive maintenance on his tractors. I would have fixed that starter as soon as IT started acting up
I never met the guy before this day. He always has his equipment worked on by the dealer and obviously they didn’t want to deal with it anymore because they gave him my number.
@@rosstheoliverman well you got it running for him good job
Is this farmer Ned Beatty or the Skipper from Gilligans Island by chance?
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Modern dealership "mechanic" needs a laptop to "fix" things.
So true. If the computer doesn’t tell you what’s wrong some people don’t know what to do.
fix bedix, try high test gas , replace points and coil to12volts and spark plugs to motorcraft. can't tell number right off and do away with resister. or put a german 310 Diesel in it.
It needs a good checking over for sure. Just a few little improvements would make a lot of difference!!
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Thanks Tom!
That tractor looks like it been abused with the oil all over and did you he bring it over and did you get the miss out
No, he never did bring it. I figure it must still be plugging away even though it runs terrible.
The advance doesnt seem to do anything ??
It’s definitely a sick horse. I hope he brings it over so we can make it better.
Nope not seen 3 wires on coil just one coming in and the other going out .
Somebody definitely had a lot going on on here 🤣
I'm surprised you don't know how to time the engine with a test light. engine off, bring the engine to the timing mark, doesn't batter if it is on number 1 or 6. put a test light across the non ground side of the battery, this works with both positive ground or negative ground, the test light will go out when the body is rotated in the direction of rotor rotation. When it goes out rotate the distributor in the opposite direction until the test light comes on and lock it down. perfect timing every time, even before ever starting the engine. Sadly this only works with points type distributors.
The test light won’t tell you if you’re on the compression stroke without timing marks. It didn’t appear there were any left on his tractor. He tried to do that before I got there.
@@rosstheoliverman really doesn't matter if number 1 is on compression or exhaust, on a 6 cylinder, you can time it on either number 1 or number 6. try it some time put your timing light on number 1, then try it again on number 6, you will find they will match
@@rosstheoliverman on IH, most of the tractors have the timing mark on the flywheel, under a removable cover
You getting shocked startled me - please avoid doing so in the future.
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New means never ever worked.
🤣 True
It would seem you’re a red/green sort of guy…
It seems like I’ve been working on a lot of red ones lately for people!
@@rosstheoliverman Ross maybe you might have to buy you Cocshutt tractors so you can definitely have some red tractors 🤣🤣🤣 thanks Michael