Interview: Jacob Collier (Part 2)
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
- Interviewed on June 17 and 18, 2017 in Washington DC, USA
Audio examples, transcriptions and annotations done by June Lee
Filmed by Robert Rittman, Sarah Harpring and Sarah Menefee
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Topics:
0:00 Introduction
0:07 Negative Harmony Again
5:35 Tuning
10:58 Groove and Subdivision
16:24 The Harmonizer Thing
18:03 "Crazy She Calls Me" Voice Leading
22:16 Emotion vs Information
31:02 "Close to You" Voice Leading
32:53 The Human Voice 
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RUclips is officially a University.
youniversity?
Nah, it's more like the most away from that now. "RUclips Trends", just saying.
Stuart King great pun 10/10
@@TheOutZZ So. Maybe (and hear me out) it is both
seheyt Sure thing. My comment is over a year old now, things have changed. However, I think that RUclips is _educational_ , but not on _university level_ .
Jacob: i've always had a massive crush on harmony and I think you have too.
June (deep inside): No. I have a crush on you.
TenTimesTwo Sounds like the beginning of fanfic
Who hasn't??
When the camera turn to him at that exact moment, that's precisely what the look on his face says.
How about that bit at 6:45 where they stop beating and hug each other?
I ship them
I still don’t know who this Justin Tonation guy is
OG lol
Well he's nothing like Justin Timberlake or Justin Beiber. They got nothing on him.
Just Introduce is Canada's prime minister
@@grainfrizz underrated comment lol
That killed me 😆
"Sounds don't mean anything until you decide to use them in emotional ways."
- Jacob Collier
just wait until u see theres a part 3
I want someone to look at me the way June looks at Jacob
when you wanna say 'pause' but you see a romantic yaoi fanfic material
Jacob: "That is not straight, you know"
June(internally):*squeaks
samuelpk3 In that case, you just need to be the embodiment of genius in the field that person has devoted his life to, that's all. Good luck, lol
AECSRQ that was checkmate
samuelpk3 my cat.You can buy her.Disadvantage:she pisses everywhere in the apartment.How much is your first offer?
"The more chords you know, the more courage you need to not play them"
- Jacob Collier
The world has just become a better place now I know this guy is making music in it...
"it was a real epiphany for me to realize that the reason why i liked music is because it made me feel like stuff"
-Jacob Collier, June 17. 2017
Being a music composer with little music theory knowledge and listening to Jacob is like really loving a video game and then realize you've only been on the Main Menu that whole time
I felt that in every part of soul
Yes, when you see this, you realise you've been playing push button music (keyboard, guitar)
that’s deep
Hans Zimmer has very little music theory knowledge who makes incredible music! 😁 Jacob Collier basically learns the rules just so he can bend and break them 😅
i am now realizing how inertia and physics play into rythm, music is crazy
first
dude
June Lee sweet
legend
Adam Neely woah
how is Adam still up and functioning after that 5 hour scale session
And I thought I was a musician.
My takeaway is this. We are both still musicians, and Jacob's insane knowledge and familiarity doesn't make us any less musicians. But could Jacob be slightly *_more_* than musician?
@@HarmoniChris I think, Jacob is the modern Mozart ;-)
Don’t minimize yourself. Just learn from him and be better each day practicing.
@@cristiano.7179 Yes, you are right and this is exactly the way I do ;) and this is the only way to get better...
@@michaelvogt-gitarre9096 not yet maybe in a few decades
when you don't understand a word he's saying but still watch the whole thing
we are two of the same kind, and still hit like :D
Know what's worst? Understanding it all and not being able to use it as a musician... even less sing it.
my guy🙌
0:46 "Hmm, i can't hit low c" **does it anyway**
Lmao I’m sittin in my room trying to sing that low 😂 just going “bahhhhh” Jacob is a god
Hahahahhahahaha
He does it again at 28:07
@@tydavis.3.1 like damnnnn😂😂😂
He said "I can't hit low C today"... Today....
God, it's getting so hard to be lazy and uninspired these days.
I love to say it, but I agree.
So do something about it?
1vasari I think you misunderstood
Or, as we say in negative English:
N ymnsp dtz rnxzsijwxyjji
Mea Dish Where is the conversion axis ?
Are you guys just... hanging out... talking about microtonal modulation... in a cuddle pile... w-without the rest of us?
there's a Jacob fan club now on Discord just because it's all so interesting, someone decided to create a server on discord and in just 3 days (i guess) it already has 160 people. It's really nice there, we are discussing many nerd stuff on music theory. You should check it out.
Do you have the link for the Discord channel?
@@MaemiNoYume is it still around?
@@ether2006 yes!
@@MaemiNoYume can i get the invite link?!!
Jacob Collier is like the Stephen Hawking of music.
The vast majority of this conversation went straight over my head, but I love listening to it! 💙 🎶
R.i.p
Stephanie K We get it, you’re a music major. Have you satisfied your ego?
@@PassionPno ernst levy, a theory of harmony
"Rolls like an egg"!!
That's a great way of describing that sensation of rhythmic propulsion.
this is one of the most incredible videos i've ever seen. the questions, the editing, the little "behind the scenes" at the end, all just absolutely mesmerizing. thank you so much for taking the time to create this level of content.
Alex, thanks so much!
honestly this is one of the very few videos i have seen where good questions are asked in an interview with a virtuoso
Dammit, I was in bed just about to fall asleep...and now I'm at the piano with a cup of coffee feverishly scrawling things like PLAGAL=INCREASING MINOR MODALITY into a notebook
AHHH your comment made me so happy
That's when inspiration happens!
Bruh i literally also made a music theory notebook too lol
when you watch a 38 minute video then are surprised at how quickly it seems like it ended
Patrick Coyle That was a 38 minute video?
Batman and Robin
Sherlock and Watson
June and Jacob
Jacob and June***
;)
Hotel and trivago
@@pierat1242 why
Chris and Greg
This is the best anime crossover
hahahahahah
BHAHAHAH
*WHO ELSE FREAKED OUT WHEN THEY SAW THIS*
I tried to poop, but the moment I saw this in my feed, my poop came out.
nice
TenTimesTwo I thought I knew stuff....
tennybelly freaked out.. I do hope you are alright :-(
Jacob: "sing a note"
June: *hits c3 perfectly*
You know you've hit a new point in your relationship when you ask eachother to sing fifths together
You know real intimacy when you reach fifth base
holy crap there's a P A R T 2????
insaneintherainmusic dude I love your work
OMG (all my idols are here omg)
insaneintherainmusic Same reaction dude. Same
apparently there's a part 3 coming according to the end of the video.
Stay tuned for a part 3 ;)
All right, I need to say a couple things:
First, June, you are a god in so many ways. From your insane transcription project to interviews like these, you are really doing an invaluable service to the music community.
Second, is Jacob Collier real? ...but seriously tho, the way in which he breaks down music as something that should be felt first, to the exclusion of standard theory (i.e. odd metered grooves within straight time signatures. 4-2-3 in 6/8? Whoa) has really helped me to break free of this rut I've been in for a while and get back to why I loved music in the first place. I have a feeling that In My Room is just the beginning of a very long journey for him, and he has the potential to reach almost unparalleled heights if he keeps doing what he's doing. The most amazing thing to me, though, is that I get the feeling he doesn't care about that at all; he just does it for the love of music.
Anyway, sorry for the long rant. Keep up the good work! I look forward to every video you put out :)
So what exactly did he mean when he "sang" that 4-3-2 rhythm? It wasnt tuplets, it just seemed like straight eights in 6/8 but what he was saying wasn't straight eights, there was more notes than shown, we're they subdivisions within each beat?
love what you've written here. I agree
thank you so much for these interviews. i was laying in bed reeady for another depressing day, but then i saw this video, watched the first 2 minutes and then jumped up ran to the piano and had so much fun playing along and around. one thing led to another and i had the best day in a long time, jumpstarted by your interview. so thank you, you really made my day and may have gotten me out of a hole :)
so great to hear that, Paul!
Exact same here Jacob had an effect on people and these are some of the best videos with him :)
Oh boy, time to grab some popcorn
sorry wrong animal at 30:28
wow I thought it was intentional, quite funny actually :P
June Lee close enough ;D
no. cats are dogs now. we follow you, june.
Negative dogs
well done, good sir, here's a negative unlike for you
The oracle has spoken.
Fun note about negative scales at 4:50 : inverting dorian intervallically like that gives you... dorian. It's the same, negative and positive!
So is mixolydian b6 (5th mode of melodic minor)
Lydian inverts to Locrian, Ionian inverts to Phrygian, Mixolydian inverts to Aeolian and Dorian inverts to itself. From brightest to darkest, the modes are; Lydian, Ionian, Mixolydian, Dorian, Aeolian, Phrygian, Locrian, and each modes inversion gives the opposite (brightest inverts to darkest and so on). Adam Neely made a very interesting video on it.
Dorian is musical limbo
Just as Einstein showed that mass and energy are equivalent, Jacob shows how music and emotion are too.
Awe inspiring interview!
I'm not ready to get my mind blown again
Jacob is music theory's son, music speculation
ernst levy criador da harmony negative
-"the sounds don't mean anything until you apply emotion to them"
-"the sound of a just intonation perfect major third is just glorious"
...
With Jacob having deeply explored the informational world of music from ages 16-20, it's inspiring to hear that he knew to take that down a notch and focus on writing. This is the very beginning of a massive musical generational switch that is affecting so many of us, applying learned theory for the use of emotional exploration... I've never felt so inspired and passionate to learn and play more music.
That Herbie story at the end 😮
It would be impossible to overstate how grateful I am that these videos exist. I can hardly wait for part 3 (and 4 and 5 and 999 et al.)
June, I'd love to see your next theory interview with Jacob include a piano :D Would love to hear him play some of the concepts he talks about
Yess, great idea!
In fact his voice is better in many respects....
pianos are out of tune
Jacob has been extremely lucky that June has entered his professional life. Who else could possibly do what June does for Jacob Collier? And with such sweetness and generosity. They are a terrific collaborative team.
Jacob is a genius.
I will write a long ass love letter for both of you.
Jacob, thanks for sharing your knowledges and experiences about music. I really wish the part 3, 4, and so on in the future. You are inspiring me to be a better musician and a better human, push me to be the best of me, and I think that's the best feeling ever.
And June, thanks for being kind for all of us, being a bad ass interviewer with the best quality of questions (maybe if I were you, I don't know what the hell in my mind because I'm too amazed with Jacob's talents). Thanks for sharing too, I'll treasure these videos and your other videos too (include the lobs-ter one)
❤️
thank you for the kind words, Tere! :)
June Lee i'll be looking forward for your next project too beside these things 😊
Ahhh it's so sweet how Jacob thinks we understand... keep smiling and nodding people
I ain’t got a bleeding idea what he’s talking about but I love it
The six people who gave a thumbs down on this video are struggling to learn "Chopsticks."
113 now
Snobby twat. You are not necessarily correct
They’re just jealous....well who wouldn’t be
What obscure music theory idea from this second video will blow up this time?
Not Right Music probably the new way he writes time signatures. That stuck out to me the most out of everything else he said
Good one. Though I've seen similar markings on scores plenty of times before - especially from percussionists during rehearsals.
I think everyone is going to stop using equal temperament
Well, I just watched this, and it inspired me go to try out 432hZ just tuning, and work on some imbedded syncopation. I have a feeling those two key things will catch on a lot more; tuning style, and breaking down individual beats into odd subdivisions
The Rachmanioff you got me...
It seems like Jacob is individuated and integrated enough as a character to relax himself into the unusual amounts of admiration he gets, and I'm really happy about that. There is some interesting relationship between how I judge the character of an artist and the way I receive their work.
There's just something about a man speaking passionately especially about music
The word "Noob" is in the video link... RUclips is reminding us that everyone sucks compared to Jacob.
hahaha!!
damn it nearly says NoobJUNE
how hilarious would that be
@@chrisc7265 jne lee
Amazing hearing this guy talk. Props on very good questions and editing. Both the "dogs" and the goat made me lol.
"if every beat rolls like an egg it makes you want to keep listening to it" that hit me! what a perfect illustration
His music is so beautiful and intimidating at the same time.
honestly june, thank you for your detail (and the dedication to that detail), your passion, your time in editing and educating. just...thank you. you're the man. as someone who wants to continue my musical education, you've been such a blessing. jacob's cool too i guess ;)
thanks so much, Rob :)
I could listen to Jacob explain music stuff for hours.
The editing is very nice too
For all the amazing music theory stuff in this video, the fact that he totally had the "man, I want my high notes back" stage of his life makes me feel much better about myself.
Two years later, are they still having these conversations? June is a significant intellectual companion for Jacob Collier.
I don’t even know what he’s talking about, I have no type of musical knowledge... but I’m still watching
the goat, omg... 36:41
Jacob is the Goat
Andrew W HI ANDREW WRAY
Jordan! what up
It's incredible watching him talk, not just because of the stuff he says...but even in his analogies and pacing of speech. You can just tell this guy has a staggering amount of emotional intelligence, as well as traditional brain power.
Thanks June & Jacob. I'm a musician, and this video just revealed me something incredible which is just : Me. Me as a musician, even as a human being because the exemple of Jacob shows me that his music is just "himself". For me the key of this video is (in my modest opinion) when you ask him about that duality emotion/information.He answered something like : i tried for a moment to build my stuff not from the "information" point of view. It sounded so sweet to my ears because that's the exact opposite that is taught in the french music highschools. I'm not saying "information" is useless (ofc it isn t), but still, it shows me that you must trust yourself. we have things to say. As the voice (see the part about his favourite instrument - the voice), we all have a unique & different creative mind : this should be only reason why we might trust our emotional selves).
anyway, thanks so much for your channel. this video has become the central source of self confidence for me now. it goes further than just "music"
Erwan from France
I love this video. I love everything about it. the comments. the editing. the content. You and Jacob. this is sensational man. Your questions are soooo good.
This is a strange feeling I'm (we're) having... This video has something special, these things you've said make it unique. GODDAMN I want to be part of it!!!!!!!
Yea! To have our minds blown together!
oh my god his understanding of rhythm, what the hell
ya, as if the pitch wasnt daunting enough....
i'm a drummer and i couldn't undrrstand half of it
PART 3 PART 3 PART 3
I've been waiting for this. Super excited
this is genuinely inspiring
I think this dude right here, might just be the single most talented (jazz) musician, speaking in OVERALL terms, up untill now, in history. He thinks so holistically, the way he can bring something like current-day psychology in humans up, then come up with a musical analogy for it, still make sense ad be spot on with it. Out of the box doesn't even slightly honour the way he thinks across so many boundaries. It's so reassuring to me that a guy like this is in the spotlight so much, for there isn't a shred of ego or "look at me" to be found in him. Maybe just a tiny bit, but his love and service to music are at the helm. And the world needs that. Just a guy, who's insanely talented, who can bring so much to the world, and not be completely fucked up personally in some way, who freely shares what he has learned. His insight, wisdom and musicality are all just products of his pure love for music. That, and a room full of instruments and musicians for parents, who probably stimulated him from birth :'D .... Let's not forget that :P
Lol, eaaaaasy there, kid. Let´s just say he is damn good. Amazing jazz piano players are all over the world: let´s not even talk about the deceased. Agree that he is super cool though and seem to be genuinely engulfed by music, which is nice.
J.C.R Casanova Don't 'kid' me please, we're probably around thesame age ;) ofc there are insanely good players, everywhere. I know, because I've seen it in person, I'm also a jazz-piano player. I probably shouldve elaborated more on what I meant by overall. The ability to communicate and express to the world at this level I think is unprecedented in such a mature and natural way as he does. Obviously the 'deceased' you speak of didn't have the technology to do so, comparing therefore is tricky. So by overall I meant: Can play a lot of instruments at a high level with the piano as best instrument, is 'spiritually' evolved and very mature, holistic and wise in his thinking and relating to the world, relates emotions to musical attributes in a way that you don't hear a lot, is very open to sharing with people from what I can gather, and has quite some theoretical knowledge it seems, in which he brings old and new together. But most of all, what I appreciate, is his attitude that just conveys "music is so awesome, let's talk music, let's play, forget about all the other stuff". He takes the ego out of music at that level, and that's what is needed I think.
I definitely agree, but what Tigran Hamasyan does on the piano cannot be ignored. His harmonic concepts and absolute insane rhythmic abilities and his blending of Armenian folk music with jazz makes him one of the most innovative jazz pianists in the world today. I would love to see both of them work together
Yes!
Forgot to add: June is insane too ^^ in a very good way
There's a lot to unpack here, but boy did I wish my music theory teachers that enthusiastic! Absolutely love the combination of cerebral and emotional approaches to describing music. I can't thank you folks enough for putting this online.
I've waited my whole life for this. Thanks, June!
This interview and June's work on it is just absolutely amazing totally impressed
theyre so cozy and comfortable talking about the most interesting things, ever. i love it soo much!
Thank you! I can't wait for part 3 :)
Man THANKS for this! Sooo looking forward to part 3
Great video, June! I'm glad you quoted Steve Coleman.
Also very interesting thoughts about tuning and groove!
I'm a percussionist. Jacob gave me a rhythm master class. He's such a genius in every aspect of music.
"The kind of joy when you leave home, the kind of joy when you return home" he blow up my mind.
Thank you so much June Lee, nice editing and questions. Im really grateful. You rock!
Hey June, thank you so much for sharing your knowlege and helping the community evolve. This is wonderful
Thank you June for all the hard work you do to bring Jacob COllier's brilliant explanations to life and more easily accessible for the average musician. It is wonderful to get so much more out of this with your annotations.
Wonderful work June Lee! We appreciate so much what you're doing!
Brilliant coversation, June! Thanks for great editing and sharing with all of us!
This is the best take on music theory I've ever heard of! Jacob is a genius!!!
YESSSSSS
JJay Berthume omg ALL of my idols are really here! Adam Neely, Aimee Nolte, Carlos Eiene, and now i found you in the comments too
These videos are the best, thank you kindly for uploading them!
Not only is this kid pitch perfect but he's so knowledgeable on sound engineering, his knowledge of sidechained sounds and whatnot was super interesting.
Thank you June for asking JC those very interesting questions
Musicians from time to time should be interviewed by other musicians and not only journalists
And because now you've develop this friendship it's very intense for us to watch this !
Looking forward for part 3 !
Jacob is the mozart of this 100 years
He is far greater in ability, potential and life. WORD
I don’t think he’s a Freemason!
That's just... the awesomest thing. Thank you June so much!
Dang! cant wait for part 3
HiJune, I am sitting with a glass of wine in my hand, enjoying every second of this interview, it is invaluable. Thank you for inviting us to this moment. Cheers and special thanks from Buenos Aires.
Al toque, aguante Jacobo, es la vida misma
So happy that I can stop rewatching the first part and now start watching and rewatching this part
I live for this.
hey June, thanks for your visual and audio annotations, they are just great!
"Rolling like an egg" -- fantastic analogy!
Jacob, you are the lightful and positive reply to the corrupted music industry. You can CHANGE the world. Jacob, I admire you. I've been playing the piano since the age of 7, now I'm 29. I'm learning a LOT from you.. I DEEPLY thank you because you decided to share..... and to inform other fellow musicians. Also thanks a lot to June who's making this all possible.
You guys are great, I will never stop thanking you and I really hope that we will get some more teachings from Jacob.
And please..... Jacob please, come to Italy. I'm from Rome but even if you go to Milan I'll come to listen to you.
My dad has been, since 1970s, the italian tour manager for shows in Italy of Ray Charles, Jethro Tull, ELP, Elton John, Genesis, Van Der Graaf Generator, Gilbert Becaud and other very famous italian bands. I would LOVE, if possible, to help you plan a concert in Italy. You are an amazing person, I hope so much that one day I will be able to shake your hand.
Keep it up man, keep the world of music up..... you're great!!
Outstanding interview and video work, June!
This is incredible, thank you so much for recording and sharing! can't wait for part 3. I can watch these all day.
How did he hit that low C so effortlessly?!
Perfect pitch...duh..
@@user-yj4vb4up9m incorrect, he has absolute pitch, not perfect pitch.
@@DarlonUsher If it isn't too much trouble, may you tell me the difference? I thought they were the same.
@@joothepooper5153 perfect pitch would allow him to be able to hit each tone and semitone in a 12 note scale without reference, but he wouldn't have the ability to hit the microtones for each one and semitone. Absolute pitch allows him to not only hit each tone and semitone correctly without reference, but also to hit the microtones in each tone and semitone correctly, without reference.
@@joothepooper5153 you could say that they are the same, but absolute pitch takes it a step further.
These videos are so good! Thank you so much for all your work, your annotations, your research, your questions. You definitely deserve as much credit as Jacob for the insights of this video!
You guys should do a sitcom on Netflix. Jacob & June.
This. Is. Amazing! Thank you June and Jacob ^^
Please June, we want more interviews!
You both are amazing!