Come to J&K’s ‘Mughal Road’ to understand Modi govt crackdown on Poonch ‘custodial torture, deaths’
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- Опубликовано: 28 дек 2023
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Last week brought devastating news from Jammu & Kashmir on account of two brutal incidents: A terrorist ambush on an Army convoy in Poonch that killed four soldiers, and the alleged custodial death of three local residents rounded up by the Army as part of its ensuing investigation. Purported videos of the latter incident, which appear to show the victims being tortured, have gone viral. The Modi government was quick to take action on the matter, with the Brigadier heading the 13 Sector Rashtriya Rifles, who was in charge of Poonch, moved out pending a high-level investigation. In Ep 1376 of Cut The Clutter, Editor-in-Chief explains how the government’s alacrity plays into its larger political-military strategy for J&K.
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Never use lakhs and million in a single statement. It confuses the listener. 10:20
10 Lakhs is 1 Million I cant Imagine anyone getting confused over something so simple. I am sure you have not even understood 1/10 of this video.
@@JinSakai_Kuroudo😂😂
Brilliant analysis Shekhar sir. The way you were able to connect the dots was like a story unfolding, great build up. Thanks
Sir, you have hit another ball out of the park with this episode !! This is amazing..and linking anantnag to poonch and rajaouri and the entire politics around it, right at the end, was nothing short of a blockbuster climax !! Hats off to you and your team sir❤❤❤
Indeed, absolutely amazing explanation
When you say Gujjar Bakarwal is a loyal Indian community.. does that mean they don't act as guides for terrorists crossing border? Whatever happened was wrong and unacceptable and shouldn't have happened but the Army doesn't beat up random people.. these are thick jungle you cannot possibly cross over and set up an ambush without local help and it's important to find out who are these people who are selling their imaan for few extra bucks
Master class - and more power to Modi! 👍🌹
Brigadier sent to attachment not for torturing and killing civilians under custody but for making and leaking the videos
Why did he make such a video? To malign the army and the govt?
Bsdk he is the commanding officer and he is responsible for everything happens under him. Such communal bastards should be brought to action.
@@PrithaBhowmick-cb1cz Is there any law that prevents making one?
Absolutely brilliant piece after a long time. I was already disappointed the way we were losing so many brave souls day after day to these ambushes. When I heard of the civilian killings it added insult to injury. I stopped following the news at all (not that the mainstream media has tried to cover even a bit of it). It seemed as if the armed forces did finally buckle under the pressure. However, if the central government has stepped in to put things in order it shows the actual honest intent this government and the PM has to make things better.
Army must have had a very good reason for interrogating those particular people so harshly. Most probably, the armymen sensed their involvement or at least their closeness to those who were involved. They definitely doesn't wanted to kill them, but it happens sometimes during severe interrogations. Especially, when the security of the nation and brave soldiers is at stake.
Sir most of the legends regarding Alexander are wild exaggerations 😂
Think of the forces who will try to create chaos in Kashmir until 2024 elections. They can’t win elections and so will try violence in the country
Bhajana media
Bhajapa
What is the Army's justification for huge mass rapes ?
Tremendous effort to be saluted
On Shekhar ji & his team for bringing such a valuable & knowledgeable content 🎉❤
This was so well researched and informative, thank you for explaining in great detail and with such clarity.
Absolutely right!!The common man feels so ashamed to see the hooliganism of our politicians in parliament.
Amazing Explanation for the news that I would have avoided like it’s nothing.
Cut the clutter is really important in today s era.
Thank you 🙏🏽
Superb episode Mr. Guptaji. Commendable and equally informative. Hats off sir
Excellent CTC episode Shekharji! Thank you!
Certified Librandu of India.
The great Graves Digger.
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There is no India anymore. It's Bharat. India is the Land around the Indus river or the old colonial domain of British empire.
@@hawkingdawking4572 Article 1 of the Indian constitution defines the name of our country as “India, that is Bharat shall be the union of states”. However, the original draft of the constitution introduced by Drafting Committee Chairman Dr BR Ambedkar on November 4, 1948, did not contain the word “Bharat”.
@@abidikar
Bharat was coined in the 19th century after Bengal renaissance. There was never a single country called before 1947.
@@hawkingdawking4572yes we are mauryan empire
@@DataCrusade1999
Mauryan empire was not quite an empire to start with. It was a short time thing like the Delhi sultanates. Making a country requires a long steady empire in existence.
Its dangerous to alienate the Gujjar-Bakarwals, who have supported the army and even supported and participated in army's operations and especially operation Sarp Vinash to flush out the terrorists from the Rajouri-Poonch area. The area had been quite for a decade and a half or so, but its seeing some problems now. Indeed something is amiss in the sector. While the government works on stabilising Kashmir, Jammu and the middle J&K areas must not be left behind. Possibly this will focus government's efforts on the area.
I agree, Jammu is getting less and Kashmir always get more focus and resources.
@@abhishekkumartiwari1286 indeed, per capita government subsidies to Kashmir are almost ten times compared to average of rest of india, we are giving them the carrot. Might as well use the stick!
I guess you have never spend considerable time in jammu, those same muslim bakarwals acts as ogw and often provide safe houses to jihadis... My brother is major in rashtriya rifles and it is not black and white as is being portrayed...
@@rudalibellator1739 Of course it is not, but we should not make it harder than it already is!
@@rudalibellator1739give proofs of tribals being ogw they were with army when militancy was peak in 90s and even army was not entering into militant areas at that time they were fighting militants with vdc guns and personal axes and from Gujjar Bakarwal community from every house at least one man is in belt forces army so without evidence don't brag shit kid if Gujjar Bakarwal turned against army that day whole world will see what gonna happen to them in peer panjal ranges not a single One army personnel gonna be found
SG at his best!
A great informative and well-explained analysis. Thanks to the Print👍
Advanced interrogation techniques have been used for decades. Someone in close confidence told me nearly 20 years ago about the usage of chili powder by Indian military against terrorists during interrogation. However, it has been found that these methods end up creating more terrorists than they bust. You know where else chili powder is used? In terrorist training camps. Both as a metaphor to rile people against the Indian state but also to train them to sustain such interrogation techniques. I think it's time Indian military should move on from these ancient methods and use methods that don't harm the individual physically. Lately, the security establishment in India seems to have been committing blunders in the name of dare. The recent outing of the "use of whatsapp for clandestine operations" was another example.
Here comes the interrogation expert who probably identity as a basketball.
Man shut the hell up.
The only thing wrong about it was the fact that someone recorded the video and made it public.
@@3xpl0i79 One does.not need to be an interrogation expert to understand that applying chilli powder on the wounds of your own country men or any living being is a wrong and disgusting method of interrogation.
Not everyone is a cruel inhuman ba s trd like you!
Aur tu Kya interrogation expert Hain Kya mc
They need to learn from the west and stop using these ancient techniques. It is classic USA mistake in it's 2000-2010 after 9/11. Although USA did improve and they started hiring Military Psychologists to aid in interrogations which ultimately proved successful. India sadly doesn't have the infrastructure or employment opportunities for military psychologists, heck we don't even have psychologists in the army, we have psychiatrists. What a joke.
@@3xpl0i79bsdk randi stop defending your Bajrang dal workers of rastriya rifles.
What is this lame 'power on the other side'? Why is SG afraid to call Pakistan, Pakistan?
Why should we even acknowledge the other side ?
They are inconsequential .
His masters cannot be offended.
Because the situation is nuanced which might be hard for u to understand
Shekhar and his team are churning out fantastic, precise&concise informative videos. Very commendable.
Thank you for the kind words, Siddharth, and for supporting our journalism...best wishes, Shekhar
@@ThePrintIndia thank you for your reply
Government has good reason to be angry not embarrassed. How the government handles is what matters
Always insightful analysis. Take a bow 🙇
I remember you covering ASSAM when nobody was there to voice to bring up.
It's great to hear you now with precise issues.
Learnt a lot as usual. Thanks Mr Gupta. It’s baffling for me to see how we are losing so many soldiers and officers regularly. Can you please cover this aspect especially with the Army’s strategy of officers leading from the front ?
It's because of Mobility.
Convoy moves so slowly to the point they can easily be attacked.
Why can't they use cheap reconnaissance technologies like small cameras, drones, and small robot cars? Also, they need to build better fortified infrastructure on this road.
@@himanshusingh5214for how many years..
Himanshu jee ground dominance is possible only with the movement of troops.
As usual this time also locals have provided all support to militants.
You have no clue. We grew up hearing news of ceasefire violations and shelling and deaths. The problem has become better now but we should have sympathy with the latest victims still.
Fantastic coverage, Sir. Of course, Unhyphenated Journalism; explaining the tit bits of Defence & Security measures to all categories of viewers/listeners. ✍️✍️🙏🙏
Thank you, Subhrangsu. I'm glad you liked this episode. Do keep watching and writing in...best wishes, Shekhar
One of the best show in all directions of political, economic and defence.
Great epsiode after a long time, imo. Finshed entirely watching a CTC ep after quite sometime :)
best ctc after so long. great strategic insights
Always Very Insightful to listen this man Shekhar Gupta
Absolutely brilliant piece after long time.
Good back story, investigation and noted gov action in news right on time.
Thank you for the kind words, my friend, and for supporting our journalism...best wishes, Shekhar
Very well put across Shekhar!
Gupta je is doing more dancing with his hands than his Neurons.
😂😂😂😂🎉🎉😂😂😂😂😂
Dance gupta dance
Bahot hi mazaakia sabd🙂😄👍
Unprofessionalism is killing india be it any profession
FREEDOM FOR KASHMIR ACCORDING TO UN SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION AND WISHES OF KASHMIRIS.................................
@@majidjahangirjanjua9399 do don't even belive that
@@Hacker_Indra_devamast reply diya 👌 this type of idiots deserve this type of reply.
Wt soldiers did was wrong. Posting soldiers to control insurgency in a Muslim majority border area is wrong. Value of a soldier’s life shud also be given priority. A plebiscite shud be held n Kashmir valley n other adjoining Muslim majority areas shud be made an Autonomous region. All non Muslims shud be asked to leave that region. Local police shud be responsible for law n order. Army shud only take care of borders. Now that we have seen multiple examples that Muslim majorities leads to sepratism (Pakistan, Bangladesh, Kashmir), therefore voting rights of Muslims in rest of India shud be taken away. This is a solution with 0 violence from state.
@@majidjahangirjanjua9399 Wt soldiers did was wrong. Posting soldiers to control insurgency in a Muslim majority border area is wrong. Value of a soldier’s life shud also be given priority. A plebiscite shud be held n Kashmir valley n other adjoining Muslim majority areas shud be made an Autonomous region. All non Muslims shud be asked to leave that region. Local police shud be responsible for law n order. Army shud only take care of borders. Now that we have seen multiple examples that Muslim majorities leads to sepratism (Pakistan, Bangladesh, Kashmir), therefore voting rights of Muslims in rest of India shud be taken away. This is a solution with 0 violence from state.
This incident was recorded the actual incidents are a 100 times more.
That sounds like Madarsa gyan!
What an episode. Lot of gyan received
Where is the link to previous Cut the Clutter about the geography of this region?
Why did they record ??
As usual, very insightful. Thank you Mr. Gupta
Thank you for appreciating and supporting our journalism, my friend. Do keep watching and writing in...bets wishes, Shekhar
Excellent analysis. It is now extinct from the mainstream TV media.
when he said behave professionaly, he meant not to leak videos of such incidents
Brilliant Analysis of the situation by The Print Team. Thank you!
Thank you, Aninda. I'm glad you found this episode insightful. Thank you also for supporting our journalism...best wishes, Shekhar
Youre welcome sir. Just a note: my father mentioned that he happened to met you many years ago. He used to work for Anand Bazar Patrika. They had an office in Delhi at Bahadurshah Zafar Marg (ITO). @@ThePrintIndia
This is what I call journalism.
Sir, I appreciate the simplicity of language while watching your exposition on political topics on RUclips. Also I hasten to add that your study room is very elegant and homely as well. Regards
Thank you, Meghnad. I'm glad you liked this episode. Thank you also for the compliments for my study...best wishes, Shekhar
Had he ever mentioned by hindu/ buddist kings , who built roads in kashmir or J&K.
Did they? 😂😂😂
Only Kashmir valley has overwhelming majority of peace lovers. They can move to neighboring countries. Nobody is stopping them!
The same is applicable for you too😊
@@irfanss2210 well, that land belonged to people of other religions for thousands of years. They don’t want to get separated. So it’s on the people who want to get separated. They can go wherever they want.
Always a pleasure to listen to CTC Shekhar sir
Long live BJP 🙏🙏..if Congress is there only peace talk in the name of secularism 😡
Another reason why Mughal Road wasn't opened all these years was that when opened, it would be another axis requiring Indian troops to contest possible ingress by Pakistan Army.
Ap kahan the gyani baba🙏
I am from srinagar. Sir, I felt like I am in class room nd history professor is giving lecture.
Why GOI is being called Modi Govt ?
What happened to our soldiers is very weong also.😠
So the sum and substance is Modi Government is concerned only for votes of Poonch and Rajauri Gujjars and Baphaliyas .Neither for security of people nor terrorism.
Can you do!
One of the best journalism I have seen for long time! A unbiased view on politics! Great job shekarji!
Totally baised, no army personal death prospect. Army to the right thing because they are misguided the inputs of terrorists.
topic very well covered and worthy of being covered
Army mare toh Marne do, lekin 2-3 civilian ko kuch ho jaaye toh, haaye allahhhhhhh 🙄🙄🙄🙄
They are human beings too.
@@xr55And the Kashmiri Pandits aren't?
Very well researched. An education!!
Govt should be extra alert as every effort will be made to embarrass them .
This is one of the effort to embarrass them .
All lives of indians be it civilians or security forces, they need to be protected
Sir please do an episode of national interest on the recent tripartite agreement between ULFA pro talks, Asom govt. and centre
Injustice anywhere is threat to justice everywhere
Lmao
Applies only to secular countries eh?!
BS. Islamic majority leads to separatism (Pakistan, Bangladesh, Kashmir).
Only Jihadis like you cause injustice to kafirs
True, to end up comparing our soldiers with the Pakhisthan army
Some years back we lost our 40 brave soldiers as narrated by satyapal mullick
Had the place been Kashmir Valley, I would have cynically thought “Every terrorist can claim to be a civilian, because he is formally not a part of armed forces “.
Rajnath Singh ji is a outstanding and one of the best Minister.👍👌
Gurjar and bakarwals in poonch supported army even during peak militancy.
These bastards in the video tortured those persons who were working as potters for them.
Ingrate army personnel! Sometimes I feel there's barely any difference between the radical terrorists and these cruel army personnel 😢
@@veganforlife4699That's because you are sitting in your comfortable home doing nothing. If someone eating an animal can rile you up, imagine your anger when someone were to harm your fellow mate. Those soldiers live together. Spend most of their time together and to see that their fellow soldier gets beheaded, what do you think would they be feeling.
Ok..then I wish u would hv been living in kashmir as a non Ms...@@veganforlife4699
They hv supported terr..in past
Don't insult army personnels
@@drg598shut up I watched viral video...and I think they are Bajrang dal workers in Army uniform. They don't have anything other than communal hatred.
These People are mostly from UP,Haryana in Rastriya Rifles and are the most castiest peoples.
That’s very well articulated 👍👍
Excellent research, very well written and presented, thank you Shekharji and The Print team 🙏
Politics of votebank governs actions or inactions🙂
Army is right , there has to be an excessive response to such incidents. Shame on govt to tell army about professionalism and all crap .
But cowards like you will still vote for BJP! Why don't you vote NOTA if you have no one to vote?
Army also should give the same treatment to anti-national BJP supporters, then this type of anti-national government won't come.
I am surprised as to why no arrest has been made. Simply ordering enquiry and lodging an FIR does not serve any purpose. Government is still protecting the culprits. What a state of anarchy. If protectors become predators then where can the common people go. Is there any doubt that anyone else other than the army personnel tortured and killed these civilians.
True this is just an eye wash to appease the Gurjar vote bank. On the other hand they are protecting the officers to protect their thakur vote bank.
People should Understand the difference between Kashmir valley, Pir Panjal, and people from these different areas. Know about VDC, know how much kashmiri muslims hate Poonch Muslims and why. Understand why Kashmiri Muslims say that if they encounter a Bear and a Gujjar, they will kill Gujjar first. Col AJK Raina has many videos on this issue
FREEDOM FOR KASHMIR ACCORDING TO UN SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION AND WISHES OF KASHMIRIS.................................
@@majidjahangirjanjua9399try read the resolution for once.
Yes, even "Gujjara" is used as a slur against these people by kashmiris.
@@majidjahangirjanjua9399😂😂😂
@@majidjahangirjanjua9399bcs they are low caste?
Thank you for the information
Excellent analysis SG 👌👌
It is a sad incident, but our army should not stop.
"The Usual what aboutry" a new phase in my vocabulary
Excellent, Narrative
Your feelings for terrorism supporting peoples,not for who people affected by terrorism.
It is disconcerting to realise that the govt's response, which ought to be Any govt's response under similar circumstances, is considered as bold.
It never happened before.
@@vikasnarayanan6711 how is that relevant? I am not comparing this response with other responses. Incidents of this ilk ought to be dealt in the way that the govt has, without the need to tag such actions as 'bold.'
@@motherwar_87 also, it has happened dozens of times before this, Shopian fake encounter being the more recent one
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Most governments in the world try to protect their soldiers, police, bureaucrats irrespective of what they have done.
No matter what reversals the Army Might have suffered during the past year in Rajouri. The army can't be doing this to its own citizens. Professionalism is the essence of its operations. IA should improve its tactics to fight this menace but retorting to barbarity will harm strategic goals. The govt was spot-on on this..Culprits should be brought to books.
Brilliant episode!
A certain level of incompetence has started to show everywhere in Indian armed forces, repeated incidents of large number of life losses, so many crashed fighters, and how come a large professional army can lose its top boss in an air crash? Added to these is the non sensical Agniveer scheme.
Thank AK Antony who as Defense minister for 10 years ensured our armed forces suffer so that he can claim his hands are clean. That much damage UPA did to our armed forces
True bcs of the anti nationals
What? How can a top boss die? Ok, I too smell conspiracy in this particular case, but it's not as if accidents can never happen. No matter boss or not, he too was a just a human after all.
Agniveer scheme is fine nay I will say it's good but the permanent jobs should be least increased to 50 percentage from 25 if not even a bit more 25 is too low.
Army's top chief died in a plane crash just when he was becoming too big for his own good. It was allegedly a targeted killing by allegedly you know who
Your map at 1:52 is wrong you missed Kishtwar district
Wow.. Combining Poonch in Ananthnag is Masterstroke.
Who will join Indian Army is the question.
Actually army should not be blamed.these were policemen.
In 80s Mugal Road was. Money minting machine for Politicians
Good analysis sir. I had to play at speed of 1.5.
The j&k map shown here missed out on Kishtwar District...
Mughal Road is a commonly used road now . Shekhar ji, come out of your room in Delhi or atleast send someone on ground. Mughal Road is infact such a scenic road that people from Jammu and Surrounding areas prefer taking this rather than NH44 especially in summers.
True that I regularly get travel vlogs suggestions in my RUclips made in the Mughal road area not only the landscape is beautiful but there are a lot of beautiful old architecture in that area as well.
@@soumaSR Yes, it is a well used route now and does not need any army protection as such
Sorry sir you are mistaken, where its has been mentioned that the population of GB community is 34 lakh. They were just around 15-16 lakhs and we paharis were 14-15 lakhs ..... And currently we are almost 20 lakhs in population
Read my take in comments. I have elaborated a bit.
Anger is free ,action is expensive 😮😮
Thanks for explaining this and connecting dots. Being Kashmiri even I didn’t know much about it.
Kashmiri pandit?
@@akshatmishra11120: Yes. Kauls are Kashmiri Pandits.
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Name of the book
Too ...... Divisive and/or controversial ?
@@Grand-Rose Books sell well on controversies.
@@pratikchawla8134 Lol yes but I don't think that it's the vibe that Mr. Gupta wants, going by the last one's name. "Anticipating India".
On JK , your analysis is good for amateurs , non residents .
Gupta ji found a new word in his vocabulary today 😂
Excellent analysis
This response might indicate statehood restoration is imminent in 2024
In Ram Raj Ravan got nirvan in the hand of God so Modi has learnt that India need Ram Raj....🤣🤣😂🤣🤣
mtlb tumhra so called ram beygunaaho ko maarta thaa
What? What does it has to do with ram Raj? And who beheaded the soldiers first? Hai meme
@@PrithaBhowmick-cb1cz you said it up there...ram raj... instead of arresting those criminals they will beat their hand off on innocents and murder them ,what sort of bravery is this,,,and why you have to send your army here to get killed can't you keep them ....
Thanks 🙂
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Shekhar Gupta's self army as usual throwing uneccesary compliments on his episode