What Happens When You Get An Orchestra To Make It Up As They Go Along???
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- Опубликовано: 29 янв 2024
- Composer Christian Henson talks about the beauty of aleatoric (random) music and leads an orchestra to create improvised musical magic. The outcome is a beautiful string plugin from The Crow Hill Company called Small String Gestures.
I'd recommend the original Steve Reich and musicians recording of this masterpiece: • Music for 18 Musicians
Our small strings library: thecrowhillcompany.com/small-...
...and the big sibling (that we combined for the Music For 18 remix!): thecrowhillcompany.com/string...
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Christian, as one Brit to another, before you started Crow Hill I felt you were a bit arrogant. But I’ve come to better appreciate who you are since. This is a beautiful sounding product. Best of luck on this venture and keep producing authentic content. P.S. The interview with Andy Gray was inspirational!
Learning to be yourself on camera is insanely difficult. Or I have found it that way any way (its a talent that the likes of Alice Allen and Dan Keen seem to have been born with). I think where I'm at now is just focussing on what I find interesting and to deliver it as me, not the hyped, over cut, trying-to-be-funnier-than-I-actually-am pseudo me. That and at Spitfire it felt like being on top of the world. Which is an incredibly arrogant perspective. I genuinely thank you for your message as I was worried that these vlogs may not be as fun as they used to be. But I like the idea of creating stuff with just a tad bit of substance. Even if I get 80% of the facts wrong. C x
... When the product is good. I payed and download small strings yesterday, but it's impossible to use, there's a security problem with Apple ... I wish a quick reparation, thank you.
Hi there, sorry you're having trouble with your library. Please send us a support ticket and the team will give you a hand thecrowhillcompany.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new
That was a truly inspiring re-imagining of Steve's Music for 18 Musicians. Bravo!
Its so interesting to finally figure out the chords!
For me, there's no question that Christian produces the most thought provoking presentations surrounding music production.
Regarding Crow Hill, the team have an opportunity to push the envelope, to distance from the crowd of sample developers focussed almost primarily on showing/selling their wares.
It is rare channels like this that leave me inspired, motivated to delve into experimentation, think well outside that box, and provide that all important desire to create.
Thank you to Christian and the team for being different, and may I add, I do hope you too sell a lot of wares😃
This is so mind-blowingly beautiful and intellectually inspirational.
Hi Christian - I have the feeling with each of your releases and each of your videos that you really are collaborating along with us the entire time. Building the groundwork for a music to bloom both now & sometime in the future. That is a beautiful way for a company to be. I truly appreciate the work you do. Thank you ! With Gratitude - John in Maine
We have so much still to come... its gonna be awesome!
Loving what Crow Hill are doing 💜
Amazing sound and I’ve listened to the music at the end dozens of times already.
Inspirational. Thank you 🙏🏻
Absolutely adore this little clip, really inspiring
such a beautiful insightful video. I love this project, i love this work of art. I have to pick this string library up now haha
You are really on to something beautiful! Well done Christian!!! Love what you are creating!!
Aleatoric sounds so much like the French word Aléatoire, meaning "random" or "varied" that in a musical context I would almost define it as "per chance, music"
I believe many do define it that way - not necessarily because any single element is random but because of how those elements come together - seemingly random and at chance.
Hey , wow amazing stuff Christian! stunning with the sunrise that piece, very uplifted now! cheers x
Picked these up this past weekend. Brilliant!
Nice background information on some of the concepts behind String Murmurations. Thank you!
Brilliant and edifying! Thank You Christian!
Absolutely gorgeous!
Lost for words of how beautiful these sound. Thank you Christian.
This is beautiful work
How lucky are we to get this kind of content? This is education in the most pure and beautiful way. Thanks Christian and everyone at The Crow Hill Company!
Amazing video! Well done!
These early releases are very inspiring! I'm excited to see what lays ahead from CH.
Wow! Ultra-cinematic and ultra-beautiful strings. ♥
Amazing!!
beautiful strings! I love the preset name on the plugin! So on point!
I'm so glad the innovation continues. The musicians respond to each other trying to make harmony and always adjusting to the dissonance that comes when there is not set script or plan. It is just beautiful when you have those sour notes clear into something very beautiful and go between those two states.
This gives me some ideas with these libraries! 🙌🎶😊
Very interesting to see more of the process. Can’t wait to see what else Crowhill will apply this to in future developments 👍
Gorgeous! Highly considering the full string murmurations
Your passion and enthusiasm for what you love is infectious - it always was imo - but even more so since Crow Hill, which is bound to blossom to levels yet unimagined.
There's an undeniable sincerity in your tone, sprinkled with that charisma and dry humour - which I personally love - making the content ever more engaging.
Each video feels like we bumped into a friend whilst on a stroll and headed to a nearby pub to share knowledge, experiences, anecdotes, all whilst discussing music, production, gear, and the beauty and magic of chords; from goosebumps to tears.
You could be taking about 14th century agriculture for all I care and I would still watch with great interest.
You're doing great things for people.
Thank you.
Love this!
so great to see my oldest cello buddy Martin Storey in the section. This sample bank is proving to be the jumping off point for so many new sketches right now.Thank you all. I'm seriously impressed px
8:30 It sounds so heart-wrenching and beautiful! Reminds me of some parts of Disco Elysium soundtrack by amazing Sea Power
"... to create something harmonious out of chaos." I suppose that sort of sums up what we all try to do with our music. Thanks for that! -Tom
I think that is why pieces like Arvo Part's 'Cantus In Memoriam' are so indescribably beautiful.
Wow Chills from that version of Music for 18... really moving.
Such a beautiful piece, and a lovely meditation on the idea of spontaneity being captured and made concrete. It really is a very different sort of thought about music compared to whatany composers are used to thinking of.
But the conversation around composition, improvisation, conversation, and reaction is one of the core DNA's of music and has been a part of it from jist about every culture and every era. The new layer is recording technology which can pin down music into a set thing more than anything else can. And I think it is inspiring to consider how to continue these conversations with recording in mind. Of course, that is in many ways the heart of samplists in a plethora of ways, maybe in not so many words 😅
Anyway, a truly lovely video. I am thankful that Christian wants to really talk about music and not simply what sort of fads and trending things, or only gear, etc. Kit is fun, of course, but it's good to talk about timeless things as well.
Finally someone has given me a definition of the word. Thank you
Beautiful
Fantastic, as always Christian.
Great this Christian
As usual when this kind of music is talked about or presented the “experts” come out in force to criticise and say your wrong 🤣🤣😂
That high brow snobbery runs deep with this lot !
I found it fascinating mate , keep exploring . Loving the new venture bud and new products. And so glad to have the vlogs back .
We called this 'busking' at one time. I forget how many performances where I arrived with no knowledge of the music and went into a show watching, listening and responding to what was happening around me. Scary yet liberating and always unique.
Amazing string library. I still have issues with it crashing my DAW when starting it. I hope these little bugs get worked out because when I do get it to work (after a new reinstall) it is beautiful
That's my favorite Crow Hill thing so far.
gee, I always thought Music for 18 Musicians was totally written in every aspect - now Iknow better when I listen to this masteroiece again - I did this many times since the ECM recording was released back in the day...
Same here! I know some of Reich's music is quite precise, and the sound of Music for 18 Musicians also felt similarly precise - fascinating!
Hang on… it was!
God I love the sound of strings so much ❤ edit, bought it of course 😊
Distilled beauty at our finger tips 🙏🏿🙏🎶
Oh, there I am. This piece sounds fantastic.
Christian. The re-imagined piece you created at the end, is beyond beautiful. Just 2 questions. Are you playing STRING MURMURATIONS and SMALL STRING GESTURES simultaneously? How do you combine them without overdubbing? Thank you for such soothing beauty.
Wait, no more Spitfire? Beautiful as always...
For the reimagining piece, were you playing the chords for Reich's piece with the String Murmuration and Gestures instruments and just letting them do their thing? So beautiful and inspiring.
How are they not becoming a complete chaos of notes if you're playing those dense chords?
I'd really love to make my own instrument, as I did for pianobook before, but with this technique.
Thankyou Christian.
Can anyone make out what specific notes they're playing for the 11 chords at 3:39? Would love to learn those.
I second this ^ !!
A new unique word. How interesting.
What is the device with three faders on top of the the Nord please?
you are starting to get a captain kirk type cadence in your speech 😀
Sounds beautiful, but have I missed the point? Do we need a dedicated sample instrument to reproduce it; can we not simply apply the same rules that were applied by the musicians at the session to any conventional sample library and get harmonically the same result?
Separating your sections into individual players is one problem you will face, using solo instruments will mean you will not get the variety in tone and position so you will gets all sorts of frequency peaking. And… if I may be so bold, it will sound awful!
Johnny Greenwood's music seems to fit the bill
Contingent upon me winning the lottery this week, I plan on buying every library Mr. Henson shall ever make. Ever.
And, I shall be buying them as gifts for people.
Just sayin.
Lol
Seriously, I cherish the Libraries this man makes.
What a Blessing
Why pick 18 instead of In C?
I'm an astrostatistician (a type of data scientist). In data science and machine learning, we often distinguish two types of uncertainty: epistemic uncertainty, referring to things we simply don't know (and that if known would reduce our uncertainty), and aleatoric uncertainty, referring to chance effects that cannot be removed by gaining more information. The terms comes from the Latin "alea" for die (the small cube, not experiencing death!). So, literally, "aleatoric" means "dice-like," that is, random in the way physically random processes like die throws or coin tosses are-random or uncertain, but not totally so, with randomness following some kind of probabilistic law enabling some level of predictability, but not total predictability.
A minority (which includes me) would argue that the randomness of die throws and coin tosses really reflects epistemic uncertainty, i.e., our uncertainty about details controlling the outcome ("initial conditions" in physics terms, and perhaps dynamical effects like turbulence in the air). So aleatoric uncertainty is just a subclass of epistemic uncertainty, for systems where there's a kind robustness to epistemic uncertainty, so different agents with different amounts or types of epistemic uncertainty end up making the same (or very similar) probabilistic predictions. But that's rather besides the point of your video (or maybe not, depending on how you think about "contingencies")! -Tom
What about quantum randomness? If that is real, there is uncertainty beyond epistemic randomness.
@@MichaelSchuerig No, that's not strictly true. QM (in theory and experimentally) rules out the most intuitively reasonable class of models that aren't irreducibly random. But it's not possible to rule out all such models. The ones that remain in play are weird, but one way or another QM is telling us that the universe is weird in ways that seem to violate our intuition. Learn about superdeterminism as one example of this.
@@TLMuse I've watched a video or two by @SabineHossenfelder about superdeterminism and don't understand it in any detail. However, we don't know whether superdeterminism is true, it may well not be. In that case there can be real, "aleatoric" uncertainty. I have no stakes either way.
I think for everyday purposes outside of physics, aleatoric uncertainty takes over from epistemic uncertainty when it's no longer practically possible to ascertain the causes of an event.
@@MichaelSchuerig Firstly, superdeterminism is an *interpretation* of QM. It duplicates all of its predictions. It is not an alternative to QM, so that either QM is true or superdeterminism is true. Superdeterminism is not a particular theory, with specific non-QM predictions; it's a recognition of a loophole in Bell's theorem (often misunderstood as implying that nature is intrinsically random) that allows for a large class of theories that duplicate QM predictions without intrinsic randomness. Any such theory could open doors for new experiments for which the theory could make deterministic predictions where QM makes only statistical ones. Such experiments would probably be very hard to do. And the failure of one of them would only rule out a subset of the "super-QM" theories.
I don't see how there can be any way of ruling out all possible such "latent variable" theories that treat the randomness of QM as epistemic; certainly, there is no such proof currently (or even a hint of one). I can imagine that there could be "beyond-Bell theorems" that rule out even larger classes of epistemically random theories, so that those that are left become increasingly offensive to intuition . 8-) (I think there are some theorems like that already, albeit applying to peculiar niche theories.) But I don't see how all such theories could ever be ruled out, theoretically or empirically. I would not be surprised if there's already an impossibility theorem about this, but this isn't my research area so I don't know if there is.
@@TLMuse I wasn't trying to say anything profound. In my view, interpretations of QM, such as superdeterminism (or, say, many-worlds) are an "internal" matter for theoretical physicists. I don't think it has any bearing on how we treat uncertainty in everyday life and even in the sciences.
Where we differ is that I'm happy to draw an _in practice_ line between epistemic and aleatoric uncertainty, whereas you prefer an _in principle_ line.
When discussing the intricacies of QM, the _in principle_ distinction is probably appropriate. But for everyday use the _in practice_ distinction is more, well, practical.
Interestingly enough, the word "aleia" in Greek (αλιεία) means "fishing", which you could be seen as an activity dependent on contingencies.
People who grew up in New York don't have "ontees"... we have ants.
And to say it right, the "a" in ants sounds like a fish crow squawking. SIA...
You're like the Tom Delonge of Spitfire Audio. Christian brings the fun 👌
Any future plans to work with BT?
Might it not be that trained professional musicians playing in a group, are not creating something “beautiful out of chaos”, they are implementing their learned skills in creating harmonies and sequences that are samples from a combined library of knowledge?
All language is a quotation?
They could approach the instructions in a multitude of ways, what Christian is doing is getting them to introduce their "taste". They are imbibing their performance with something of themselves, which does partly come from their "knowledge" - but also their intuition. Whenever I would book a session musician for a project as a producer, it's the latter that would draw me to certain musicians. Why? though money might change hands, what they could bring to a project is in a way - 'priceless'. You're getting a living breathing inspired performance. I feel Crow Hill are reaching for something this in a widescreen setting.
How truly aleatoric is the sample when using it? It would seem that the vsti is playing back the same samples over again. Is this truly 'making something up'?
Well I did a version of music for 18 with those samples. And think it very much resembles reich’s raw elements of that piece. What makes it aleatoric for me is the gestures which offer me the unexpected and act as a contingency from which I change direction compositionally.
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Beautiful stuff! keep up the great work guys ❤
Christian, you need to be careful setting yourself up as an expert in this type of thing. You're setting yourself up for a big fall. A lot of that information is off target and misleading to the average composer. No mention at all of Lutaslawski, the polish school or John Cage here, let alone Ives. And in the end all you've got is a single set of recordings that , now that they are recorded, are no longer aleatoric.
Not an expert, just my take, very much from the POV of a sample dev... if you try the R&D strings for free you'll see what I mean about having something aleatoric under your finger tips. I did also mention Ives?