The curse of the badge politician
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- People are tired of meaningless badges, titles, rosettes and banter in politics. They don’t want symbols and logos. They want conviction and delivery. And they’re not getting it.
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Richard Murphy is Professor of Accounting Practice at Sheffield University Management School. He is director of Tax Research LLP and the author of the Funding the Future blog. His best known book is ‘The Joy of Tax’.
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A very similar message to that of the late, great Tony Benn:
"I have divided politicians into two categories: the Signposts and the Weathercocks. The Signpost says: 'This is the way we should go.' And you don't have to follow them but if you come back in ten years time the Signpost is still there. The Weathercock hasn’t got an opinion until they've looked at the polls, talked to the focus groups, discussed it with the spin doctors. And I've no time for Weathercocks, I'm a Signpost man. And in fairness, although I disagreed with everything she did, Mrs Thatcher was a Signpost. She said what she meant. Meant what she said. Did what she said she’d do if you voted for her. So everybody who voted for her shared responsibility for what happened. And I think that we do need a few more Signposts and few fewer Weathercocks."
The great Tony Benn posed the questions of parties and MPs by asking who do they represent, who sponsors them whose interests do they serve and importantly how can we get rid of you, vote you out.
It's incredible how many people fall for this though.
Who was it said that politicians should wear the sponsorship logos of the people who lobby them?
Probably Tony Benn
@@karlkerr7348that’s what i thought but wasn’t sure. Long time ago.
Starmer would have quite a few then
Robin Williams, maybe?
As long as we have first past the post, we will have badge politics. It forces honest people out of politics, or realists into lying.
The sole aim of the parties now is just to be "in power", with little real idea what to do with that power- limited as it may be.
The two large parties offered basically nothing. We had to choose between a more extreme and a less extreme version of the status quo.
I really wanted to vote for the Greens or LD, and I may as well have done, as the Tories still won my seat even with a tactical vote.
Excellent.
The Left needs to pull together and start a new party now. 5 years isn't very long but if Corbyn could do it in 5 weeks imagine what could be achieved if we all worked together. The 2017 labour manifesto was so popular, as the amount of votes show. The people of this country deserve better than most of the current politicians. Come on Left, you are needed more than ever 😢
You are absolutely correct, Richard. Both the Tories and Labour have moved further right. I believe that Starmer is to the right of Ted Heath. It will be interesting to see whether the Tories now lurch further right as Braverman seems to want or recognises that they can move back to their old position where they will be occupying the same ground as the current Labour party.
This is a side effect of FPTP. When establishing a new party is _really_ difficult, it's inevitable that many politically driven people will look to join an existing party and try to steer them towards their goal
Countries with representative electoral systems see a lot less of this sort of thing 🙂
That's true but also the neoliberal takeover of the Labour party looks to be a deliberate attempt to remove real choice. Why else would they eject traditional Labour MPs from the party? They remind me of a cuckoo chick removing competition from the adoptive parents' real offspring.
My friend who has always been on the left has started parroting "we have to go to the centre right to win" it's so depressing
I agree - leftwing parties ruin countries.
The SNP have done the same. Careerist Yoons have taken over the Party and they no longer stand for the independence movement
Agree 100%..who are the yoons in the party who have stopped independence going forward should be ousted or the snp are finished up here.
Independence is normal.
@@djmartin5240 The Yoons are in charge, mate. From the top down.
The membership no longer have control over policy. That needs to be reversed, immediately
We do not need SNP for INDEPENDENCE. Join SALVO and Liberation Scotland
@doreenhollywood7459 I am a member of salvo and liberation.scot.
There is more ways than snp in leaving the union.
This voluntary union is a sham.
@@djmartin5240 it’s about as voluntary as the Soviet Union was
Both Tories and Labour have been subject to entryism of the sort once advocated by the Trotskyists. The Tories have neoliberals. Labour has the Jewish Labour Movement. Neither have anything to do with the traditions of their respective parties and both have negated what they once stood for.
Controversial. But how about they wear a yellow star if their allegiance and primary concern is Isreal.
Clearly it does matter to a great deal of people.
"Branch Stacking" was either good or bad. Regional committees helped in fund raising, social gathering, and choosing a candidate for their area. It should be "The Party" gambles on who will win. This person or that. It was, in the past, that the locals railed against their Party, for they had found a "charismatic" nominee for the seat. The head office gradually sent a few party members to sign up at that Branch. Sometimes the Head Office needs to do this to stop "Ideological Drift"
I think that Clive Lewis and John McDonnell still believe in traditional Labour values but, of course, they have been sidelined.
The centre is a nebulous concept that has been moving to the right since Thatcher. Why? Because neoliberalism has placed even more power and wealth in the hands of the few. We need parliamentary and electoral reform to stimulate voter engagement. Thus making room for conviction politics.
We definitely need more conviction politics.sorry I mean convicted politicians.
Brilliant
labour was the closest to itself when Corbyn was leader but the party machine didn't like it.
Nailed it.
Who was bankrolling farage..that would be worth hearing sooner than later.
And will publishing the russia report show bojo the tories and farage into oblivion where the belong.
When will starmer show this report in full to the public, that would finish farage for good.
Your so right my friend on so many counts. You and I are about the same age I guess. My assessment looking back over the years is that for a while we had a moderate conservative party and a moderate labour party. The media painted labour as reds under the bed and demonised them when a real tangible fear of nuclear conflict existed. Most of the politicans and leader had come though WW2 and fought their way across Europe. They craved peace and security after all that death and distruction that many experienced first hand. Then the turning point I believe was Margret Thatcher and her neo liberalism. In other words put simply de-regulate and let market forced take over. The lame ducks would go to the wall and what was left would be lean and mean. So whilst this policy was be inacted in Britain our major trading partners across the channel were doing the exact opposite. Our industrial complexes collapsed because there was not a level playing field. Job insecurity and mass unemployment followed. I believe neo-liberalism has been fundamentally discredited. The banking crisis of 2008-9 was inevitable and entirely due to deregulation of markets and nothing to do in Britain with the Labour government as so many right wing pundits would and still do project onto Labour. When that labour government handed over to the Tories 14 years ago there was no money left. Not because of Labour but because we had to use tax payers money to prevent the banking sector from total collapse. The more people that realise this truth the better.
In a world of insane arrogance blessed is he/she who gains for themselves solace in the humble statement "Not much of a scholar but a great craic"
What about the impact of voter ID 🤔
Who is behind this well polished production. Who is sponsoring/ paying for this?
I don't see it as badge politics rather the spin doctors are now the drivers. Politics is now marketing and positioning rather than implementing and governing; headlines, ratings, public sentiment and approval scores have been central agenda items for government for over a decade.
Read the SDP manifesto
SDP
In your video you acknowledge that people aren't voting in numbers to make our politicians democratic,and the reason being our parties don't represent anything anymore. As you point out in your previous video about PR it's not democratic,but I believe and this video confirms it's not our system it's what our politicians are offering or represent that matters. Lastly under PR the far right in France was heading for victory but when more people vote,highest number in forty years they lose. To me that's democracy in action and playing about with our system won't make it more democratic but instead lead to instability.
2014-55% No,45%yes
2024-65%NO,35% yes!
Not accurate
Large majority AGAINST independence @@doreenhollywood7459
Read Eric Berne's The Games People Play.
It's like people are looking for the principles and substance of Corbyn without the 'scruffy' aesthetics of Corbyn and perhaps a little bit closer to the centre-left, just a thought.