My TEN Greatest Alternative PROG Albums | Ranked
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Andy is a drummer, producer and educator. He has toured the world with rock legend Robert Plant and played on classic prog albums by Frost and IQ.
As a drum clinician he has played with Terry Bozzio, Kenny Aronoff, Thomas Lang, Marco Minneman and Mike Portnoy.
He also teaches drums privately and at Kidderminster College 
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As no one has yet commented on Janelle Monáe, I want to say that her albums following "The ArchAndroid" continue in the same world view in increasingly interesting and amazing-sound style. Her second album, "The Electric Lady," from 2013, continues to mention Cindi Mayweather and androids, with engaging, rocking bass and drumming (just to mention those two things). Her third album, "Dirty Computer," from 2018, extends beyond Cindi Mayweather (or is it a prequel?). "Dirty Computer" is the first CD of hers that I heard, and it really captured my imagination; it was so delightful with its variety of musical sounds where the songs flow seamlessly into each other. For anyone who is interested in Ms. Monáe's work, I recommend starting with "Dirty Computer." And, you know, turn up the volume!
PS: I wrote this after Andy had finished with "The ArchAndroid" and before watching the rest of the video, so if he says something more about it, well, my apologies for being redundant.
I first saw her opening for Of Montreal, another band that could easily be considered prog. As far as I'm concerned that night was one of the most creative and original musical performances I have ever seen (and I saw ELP at Cal Jam in 1974).
Now this is my jam!!!! Love the topic - here is a contrarian listing:
1) Lake Trout: Another One Lost - Love Kid A Radiohead, trip hop and jazz? This is a special one.
2) EL-P: Cancer 4 Cure - Indie hip-hop, Herbie Hancock 'Sextant', and Gong 'You' have a baby. Tremendous production here.
3) Global Goon: Vatican Nights - IDM of the highest order with tremendous compositions/melody.
4) Flaming Lips: Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots - The Dark Side of the Moon of my generation.
5) DJ Spooky: Optometry - The greatest amalgamation of jazz and hip hop together ever IMO.
6) Tortoise: Beacons of Ancestorship - Their best and most sophisticated album IMO.
7) Spring Heel Jack: Live - Needed a live album on this list, and this one is firing on all cylinders. Strong jazz influence here with IDM and searing guitar. Works on so many levels.
8) Stereolab: Dots and Loops - Krautrock meets dance/pop and psychedelic experimentation. Love Laetitia's vocals and Mary's harmonies here.
9) Boredoms: Vision Creation Newsun - Completely defies categorization IMO. Japanese noise rock bands truly expanding the limits and boundaries of contemporary music.
10) Al.One (Al Schnier of Moe) - Perhaps the ultimate Eno tribute with searing guitar work. For fans of AshRa, Hillage, IDM fans, etc.
BTW: I have been hunting for Cardiacs' cd's and they are bleeping expensive!!! Still looking...
You can get the Cardiacs albums at a reasonable price from their website... Worth checking out.
Sing To God is sublime, thanks for introducing me.
Cardiacs are indeed LIFE! Subscribed!
I started watching your channel only within the last couple of weeks, but I feel compelled to say is that this video is a gold mine. This is thoughtful, interesting, useful information from a man who obviously exhaustively knows his subject. Bravo! Please carry on.
Hi Andy, great list, Black Midi would be a great addition! In relation to the cardiacs, I discovered them 6 months ago and since then, I feel like I’ve been on a wonderful music journey since the age of 12, starting with Adam and the Ants, and going through destinations, from Tears for Fears, Kate Bush, Peter Gabriel, Scott Walker to Sibelius, Kinks, Beachboys, Brahms, Queensryche, Prefab Sprout, Prince, Black Midi and countless others, but with the Cardiac I honestly feel I’ve finally reached my destination, I’ve found the band I’ve always been searching for!!! Thanks for all these new recommendations, your doing a wonderful job here!!!
Cardiacs fan here. I heard some guy say that Cardiacs is literally being attacked with music and then being grateful for it. There must be many ways to try to put it but I thought that’s one.
Thanks for the Black Midi intro, got it on my Spotify now.
Mr. Bungle arguably created a new genre...I never cease to be impressed at how mike Patton can often make beautiful melodies over anything...
Thank you for the list. Lots of new things to check out
Great list and breakdown. More than a few of these titles and artists were not on my radar. Will be checking them out. Thanks Andy
What a great video Andy merci beaucoup à toi
Very happy about your number 1! 🙂 Can't wait for more Cardiacs video material from you, and especially if it's going to be about Sing to God.
I met up with Jon Poole last week and he has promised a video about that album...
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Amazing!
Great list with some I haven’t heard yet. I liked your epic improvised outro.
I am so glad you turned me on to the Cardiacs. I can listen to a song, and hear everyone from Bartok, to the Who, to the Arctic Monkeys. Louis Cole, and Knower is everything you say: utterly modern.
Really enjoying your videos. This one is a favorite. I feel like you could do many variations on this concept. I love that you are attempting to turn people on to new fresh music. It worked on me. Thanks.
Black Midi - Cavalcade, King Gizzard&TLW - Polygondwanaland, The Mars Volta - De-loused
Love this video. I've held on to all my favourite bands and artists from my Seventies era youth, but constantly enjoyed exploring the artists that kept pushing forward. I remember being so excited by Squarepusher, Fantomas, Scott Walker (Twice in my lifetime!), Enter Shikari, Tony Njoku, Moses Sumney and others. So much to enjoy still judging by your list. Thank you
Best video you have made in my opinion. This is all music I adore. Cheers!
Great video Andy. Enjoyable, entertaining and enlightening! I'm going to have to investigate some of these artists. Although this week end I'm going to be putting Wayne Shorter on heavy rotation.
This is still one of your best videos. Your channel should get so much more subscribers. Anyway, I’m happy it’s already over 20k 🎉 and you’re getting tens of thousands of views on some.
This is a cool list/idea; it's given me a few new things to listen to. Your mention of Prog Mag (I used to subscribe to them for a few years from the late 2000's to early 2010's) to the idea of this list reminded of a section in the magazine that was called 'It's Prog Jim But Not As We Know It', which highlighted albums that were basically alternative prog albums. Some of the bands/albums I remember them mentioning was Cardiacs, Nine Inch Nails, The Orb, Japan, Ween, and one of my favourite albums discovered from that section: Six by Mansun - a really cool proggish album with multiple references to The Prisoner (one of my favourite shows, and probably one of the most prog shows ever made).
Yes! Finally some love for my favorite album of all time by Fishbone!!
Thanks for praising Disco Volante and Homogenic ! I need to check out the other artists on this list, especially Cardiacs, I need to take some time to explore some of their albums.
And as a big post punk fan, it saddens me to see so much "indie, alternative" fans or critics being so dismissive and condescending when it comes to classic progressive rock.
Great choices, all of them now in my wish list
So glad to see Bjork on this list. So unique and uncompromising.
Thanks, very interesting. I've had my lunch and 2 cups of coffee while listening. But a lot of interesting music to try.
I like Andy's reviews and share his love of Prog Music. He agree on what is a true masterpiece, (such as Close to the Edge and the Stanley Clarke brown album). And we even agree on the skilled, but portentous nature of Steely Dan. But it's obvious where we differ. He seems to really like the spacey /experimental material and honestly, I really hate that stuff -- even when it's done by masters such as Herbie Hancock. I can take tiny doses of it, but an entire album makes me crazy. I'm a melody guy. I guess it's the difference between those who think the greatest Miles album is "Miles Smiles" and those who think it's "In a Silent Way."
You need to get Kavus Torabi on your channel! He played with Gong at the end of Daevid Allen''s life and Carrdiacs at the end of Tim Smith's life. The stories he could tell.
Another interesting American artist, is Nils Frykdahl. Along with his friend Dan Rathburn, he fronted three great bands, Idiot Flesh, Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, and Free Salamander Exhibit. They are like Mr. Bungle but better.
I second that.. Nils and Dan are quite knowledgeable about rock in opposition and all things progressive
Late to this video but thank you for posting it. Very diverse list of artists/albums, and now you have me interested into checking Janelle Monae's discography (knew she was a musician but mostly know about her film career).
I love music, and though my main interests are in progressive rock, hard rock and metal, I try to keep an open mind/ear to different styles of music. I may not like everything that I listen to but do tend to give it listen or two. Never understood people who say I only listen to this style or that style; I find it so limiting.
Really enjoy your take on all the subjects you touch upon. Also, hope you keep doing best of lists; a great way for me to find new music, and/or get reacquainted with music that I haven't visited in a while.
Interesting selection, mostly new to me. I just dipped into a selection and am pleased to report that some of them didn't frighten the dog, I will explore further
Great video! I think these are some you should consider, too (in no particular order): United States of America-s/t ; Dirty Projectors "Bitte Orca" ; The Flaming Lips "Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots" ; Sigur Ros "( )" ; Zero 7 "Simple Things" ; Sieges Even "A Sense of Change" ; This Heat- s/t (yellow/blue) ; Sleepytime Gorilla Museum "Grand Opening & Closing!" ; Kayo Dot "Plastic House On Base Of Sky" ; Rascal Reporters "We're God"
Thanks, Andy, for mentioning Last Exit. In particular, their self-titled album was brutal and challenging in all the right ways. Besides, I'm a sucker for any band Sonny Sharrock was a part of. Also: you should check out the connection between John Zorn and the Boredoms, who were an inspired bunch of crazies from Japan who explored myriad avenues of sound themselves. I saw them open for Sonic Youth a little over thirty years ago, and they blew me away. The best opening act I'd ever seen. And yes, Jah Wobble was great, such a unique voice on the bass guitar. And I love Bjork, too. Much love for her and PJ Harvey, two of the most singular voices of the past 30+ years.
Last Exit > "Brutal and challenging..." To say the least! ;-)
The Boredoms + Sonic Youth. What an experience that must've been.
@@dbarker7794 The Boredoms made Sonic Youth work that night. They had to come out with more fire than usual just to keep up. One of the best shows I've seen.
what a great topic with all those for me new albums except bjork .
already listened to the orb they are great and also two pages
Great to see Janelle Monáe mentioned. Your argument is spot on, Andy. One album I would add is 'One Head, Two Arms, Two Legs' by Dawn Of The Replicants (1998). One thing post-punk bands don't get lumbered with is a style template. I see Steven Wilson has just compiled a box set 'Intrigue' which furthers your argument (it includes a Cardiacs track).
Primus
One of the best descriptions of Sing To God I've heard 🎉❤
Check out my interviews with Jon Poole next week...tons of Sing to God info
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer *smashes subscribe with enough force to dislodge a small sun*
Yes, the great thing about new media is being able to read an article or watch a video about music and pop over to a streaming app to have a listen. I missed out on a lot of music in my younger days because I didn’t have money to buy stuff on a whim.
Great picks, man. Would probably add Leftfield Leftism 1995 and Shpongle debut album 1997 and Two lone Swordsmen to that list as well. Maybe even Legendary Pink Dots, Tortoise, Sonic Youth, My Bloody Valentine (I think you already talked about this kind of off-the-road alternative prog-punk-noise). Fatboy Slim, Pepe Deluxe (from Finland) that pushed the acid rave artform into new realms. While bands like Orbital and Orb went the synthy-electronic path, outfits like Kruder and Dormeister took the sampling in mixing techniques to a whole new level with a lot of prog references and a lot of studio trickery. Some rap artistis like Saul Williams went wild with experimental jazzy hip hop. For sure, I love Squarepusher (although Music is one Rotten Note is my favorite), Orb. Completely in love the Cardiacs although I think Songs For Ships and Irons is really their best album (although it's a compilation of two). Really great video. Thank you!
Great video Andy. You mentioned John Zorn (Naked City) in your video. So, what would happen if John Zorn gave Pat Metheny six of his songs with which to create an album? You would get the album Pat Metheny / Tap, John Zorn’s Book of Angels, Volume 20 (Nonesuch/Tzadik), 2013. If you search music streaming services like Spotify, etc. you will not find this gem. This album (I think) is where Pat Metheny meets prog.
Pat M, of course, plays all of the instruments here, but pulls in his main stay drummer Antonio Sanchez for all percussion needs. The results of this album are Pat Metheny stretching out on the music of John Zorn. There are some really proggy moments throughout, as well as, ethnic sounding melodies, played on sitar guitar, and a variety of stringed instruments. One of the outros features an electric guitar solo, that is so outrageous that it would make Jimi Hendrix blush. Regardless of whether you think it is prog or not, it is an absolute must listen.
I hope you like it as much as I do.
Jack G from Canada
PS: still digging Rain!
Indeed, well worth a listen, though Pat hit prog much earlier than that. I mean Wichita, Zero tolerance, those were really prog. If Wichita sort of represents the middle, then Tap and Zero Tolerance are on opposite ends of his prog work, one being weird and totally inaccessible and the other just being weird (and at times extremely beautiful!) Tap was my first encounter with Zorn, and it opened a whole new world. Thanks Pat. And thanks Andy and Jack G for replanting the seed.
When I saw that the thumbnail for this video in my notifications featuring the cover for Janelle Monáe The Archandroid my interest was immediately piqued. I'm totally on board with your thesis looking for the progressive spirit in popular music (and also find myself periodically frustrated by the prog/not prog wonks who position themselves as arbiters/gatekeepers of the scene). The Archandroid is a great example of the former - a pop record that wears its Metropolis meets The Terminator conceit lightly and effortlessly incorporates elements of Soul, RnB, Funk, Rock and orchestral pomp in a way that feels natural and cohesive. Good to see 4Hero getting a mention too: that whole DnB/Nu Jazz thing is maybe worthy of a whole episode unto itself? I enjoyed Two Pages and Creating Patterns with their Afrofuturist, sci-fi leanings and Goldie records like Timeless and especially Saturnz Return - an album that really pushes into progressive, jazz and experimental territory. Primal Scream, Underworld, Orbital, Apollo 440, Faithless, The Future Sound of London... lots of bands were playing around with genre in what felt like a progressive spirit in the '90s and '00s...
A very hip list. Lots of cool stuff on it from different eras.
Honestly Andy there are bands and albums that are so far on the alternative universe that I can't find the words in a comment section that would be accurate or sufficient. But one album and band that some of your viewers may be familiar with is Universe Zero and their album Heresie. It is the most terrifying instrumental albums that I have ever heard.
Scott,
I agree with you about UZ. I think Present are also outstanding. Some folks put them in the Zeuhl camp, which some consider outside of Prog-I view Zeuhl as a kind of Prog/Fusion.
I hate categories anyway. But I like Andy's channel because he covers a lot of music I like and shares a lot of my biases!
@@garygomesvedicastrology i completely agree with many of Andy's musical assessments. On much of western music. Anymore a majority of my rock music listening and interests are from Japan.
I would probably include the wonderful albums of Albert Marcouer and This Heat/Camberwell Now. Charles Hayward is really interesting.
Vince Clarke and his favorite Genesis album is “A Trick of A Tail”.
First 3 albums from King's X were full of incredible alt-prog-rock. They were a significant influence on what was to become the grunge sound.
Kings x were a great prog metal band, i wud like their sound is much in the grnesis vein, not that awful grunge sound
@@aidenswords5809 And that is part of the reason they never were as big as they should have been. Nobody could work out what genre to ascribe to them.
There's one artist and area I don't hear you touch is Bibio and ambient/folktronica from the Warp Label. For me Ambivalence Avenue was a journey through a hazy hot Sunday where you're hung over and get stoned to make it through the day. The way he blends styles, samples and sounds were beautiful. He's still putting out melodic music. An underrated genius - and has plenty of English Aesthetics!
Thanks for that, just had a listen 👍
Brilliant, Andy. Please do more of this. Btw, have you seen the price of the Cardiacs album you highlighted? Yikes!
Yep...hard to get their albums now cheaply....
Just got Sing to God on bandcamp
You can get the Cardiacs albums from their website at a reasonable price. You can order their catalogue without having to sell a kidney.
On the Mr Bungle edge of things you've also got Sleepytime Gorilla Museum
After this video I am going to listen to Rain for the first time!
Do you delve into 90s alternative- late 1980's-2000s? REM, The Pixies , The Cure etc? I didn't find it in your catalog. I'm new to the channel and enjoy your work. Thanks alot!
While I understand your choice of Grand Guignol as the representative Naked City work, the Live At The Knitting Factory is so amazingly barbaric in some passages, swings like a mutha in others - just some crazy-ass stuff - and to do it in front of a (very appreciative) audience - a force of nature and un-nature all rolled into one! As I think about it, you could definitely make a case for John Zorn as a prog visionary - not quite on the order of Zappa (though, there is much to be said for The Order of Zappa), but so much command of so many different styles. And, like Zappa, really took control of his own product to a degree that very much anticipates current practice. Maybe there's room for a Prog Visionaries Part Deux...
A very interesting idea with great music which is the important thing.
Glad you enjoyed it
Yes. Two pages. It’s great
I listened to a bit of everything when it comes to " difficult" music. The most difficult album i have ever heard and it took me 6 listens to actually adapt and start to enjoy it is New York Tendaberry (1969) by Laura Nyro. Stunning emotionally intense avant garde singing and songwriting covering subjects as love, infidelity, revenge, desperation, prostitution, abortion, political assassination, war, parental conflict, drugs, poverty, betrayal and more. The only other song I know about abortion is Choir Girl by the great Australian band Cold Chisel. Compared to New York Tendaberry, I find artists like Bjork and Skinny Puppy to be almost easy listening.
I love your engagement for Laura.
Your definition of prog immediately makes me think of Leon Russel when I think of Laura.
@@narosgmbh5916 Thanks mate. Laura may not be rock, but her depth beauty, honesty and style speaks to me like no one else. I only wish I had found her long before 2015.
Cole! Yes!
Add to that list Australia’s Dead Can Dance who cover every genre imaginable on some wonderful records😊
Great choice! I just discovered 'Into the Labyrinth' recently and really dig it. What can you recommend for someone that loves psychedelic fusion-y stuff?
Interestingthoughts about Lydon
the extremities of 90s hardrock funk undertones
And the underlying role of tech prod
that ultimately made me reject everything apart from
Budgie's first 7 lps.
And then I heard the Field Music snaresound and everything changed!
And then I rediscovered pat Travers noodling to reggae protest songs via Captain Accident and realised even they fell unto traps of generic posturing
D Train 's''Music" sums it all up nicely albeit ironically with a Paul Hardcastle keys bendin wemix
Subbed 👏👍
Maybe you could do a top 10 RIO/Avant-prog albums?
May I suggest both Imaginary Day (98) and The Way Up (05) albums from the Pat Metheny Group?
Funny how many progressive rock fans are not very progressive in their musical tastes…….
Leg Trout Eliminator is a great prog album. Unfortunately it doesn't exist, which is what makes it a great alternative prog album
diamond head canterbury,proggy in a sort of zeppelinish way,totally different from their first 2 albums,few crunchy riffs,more flangey guitars,middle eastern influence,ishmael fave track.the lyrics,sleeve,medieval vibe
Hi Andy - off topic maybe but.... Did you work with Paul Menel? Do you know the song 'Liza, don't follow him home.' Like the song - heard it on a prog sampler perhaps from Prog Magazine. Is it available on an album? Last I looked it wasn't on any Paul Menel album unless I missed it. I know it's unlikely a busy professional musician like yourself would know - but who knows ? Maybe you do. Thanks. I was reading this thread and to MY AMAZEMENT I think you said you haven't listened to Banco (del Mutuo Soccorso). You aren't a young man anymore. What are you waiting for? I suggest you start with their 1972 debut and soak in their first 3 albums. The following 5 albums are fantastic too - but it would be best to learn them chronologically. Their lead singer is up their with the best - so is their whole band. No question for an ELP style band they are the best - better than ELP. You really need to listen to them ASAP.
Popol Ace - Stolen from time!
I was expecting Kendrick Lamar on this list...I guess that was too obvious lol. Otherwise, Great video.
I don't know if it would count as "alternative" but the drummer Tatsuya Yoshida's work is definitely out there will still being definitively prog. His band Ruins has an album called "Tzomborgha" which is so dense that it took me a couple attempts to break through the first 5 minute barrier. Another band I've been into for a while now is Lamp. They won't tear your face off or anything, but they definitely have prog sensibilities. They are heavily inspired by baroque pop like the beach boys, bossa nova, lounge, and other movements from their native country. Their most prog Album imo is "Tokyo Utopia Tsushin".
Kendrick was originally but I think I wanted to mention someone else and I knew I'd talked about him already...
Ruins are a great zeuhl band! I think Hyderomastgroningem is their best album! Tatsuya Yoshida has another zeuhl band called Koenji Hyakkei, they are even better, their album Angherr Shispa from 2005 is one of the best albums ever made! Tatsuya Yoshida is an amazing drummer and composer!
@@bertkarlsson1421 Thats my favorite koenji album too
Tatsuya has also played with legendary RIO band Samla Mammas Manna, Acid Mothers Gong, Keiji Haino, Bill Laswell, John Zorn and many other bands! He is probably the most important prog musician of the last 30 years in my opinion!
@@DragoonOfTheMist I'm very glad to hear that!!👍
TV on the radio
Mission accomplished.
I honestly believe that, to a large extent, this is all about semantics.
When I was first listening to music in the mid-60's, young white teenagers generally listened to pop music and blues-derived rock music. Of course, many also listened to classical music or reggae or folk music or jazz and there was always some overspill from one genre to another but, in general, the demarcations were pretty clear.
Sometime in the late 60's it became clear that some musicians/bands were developing a new style of rock music which integrated element of the blues-based rock music with jazz and folk and even classical. The demarcation was no longer so clear so this style of music was given a new name and became known as progressive rock, shortened to prog rock, to distinguish it from the blues-based version of rock. There were also pragmatic marketing reason for assigning a new name. For example, it could then be given its own section in the record store. It was indeed a "progression" in that it was progressed in time and also because it seemed to be a "progression" in the sense that it was more complicated but I think it would be a mistake to read too much significance into the choice of name. We certainly didn't read any particular significance into it at the time. Prog was just a different sounding music to pop and blues.
Perhaps it would have been better if it had been christened "XYZ rock" although you can choose any noun which does not have a more general application in the English language.
The situation would now be simple: all the original bands from the late-60's and 70's would be known as XYZ rock bands and IQ, for example, would clearly be playing XYZ rock as they did so skilfully on Saturday night. Any prog rock fan at that concert easily heard the fundamentals in the music of IQ which was derived those bands from 50 years ago.
Music from Bjork, or whoever, might well be called something else but it would not be called XYZ rock unless it sounded like XYZ rock, as IQ do. If it doesn't sound like XYZ rock there would be no logic or imperative to call it such.
Hope that helps. 🤣
Richard
This is strange...but Saturday was the first time I have seen IQ live, and to hear tunes you have helped write, doubly strange! Your point I feel I have covered in great depth here, probably best on my history of prog series
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Interestingly, I went on Saturday with my Son who actually prefers heavy metal and doesn't really know much about prog although he does like Led Zeppelin etc when they play heavier songs. He also enjoyed IQ and his comment as we left the venue was that the band were much heavier than he expected and the parts of it sounded almost like heavy metal. I could also hear those elements although, because of my own preferences, I was more taken with the Camel flavours. Maybe good music appeals to us when we can each take something personal away with us. We did see you there and hope you enjoyed seeing your old band. 👍
Richard
Good point re. 'prog' bands doing music in the style of bands from 50 years ago not really being 'progressive' at all. It's like 'mods' who dress like their grandads and regurgitate the sounds of the past.
I remember an NPR show the host interviewed some author making claims about ptogressive rock being ridiculous and dead since the 70s. The examples they used were from obscure bands I never heard. I was mad, and they were wrong.
Would you consider Dead Can Dance, Prog?
What are your thoughts on maybe the ULTIMATE concept recording project: Care-Taker's "Every Where at the End of Time." In a couple of regards it is very progressive.
" Released between 2016 and 2019, its six studio albums use degrading loops of sampled ballroom music to portray the progression of Alzheimer's disease."(Wiki description)
It is quite a profound listening experience . Her is a link to the entire suite: ruclips.net/video/wJWksPWDKOc/видео.html
Okay! Here are my Björk and Janelle Monae.
Provocative video title 😂 but I’d classify most of this music as experimental (rock/pop/jazz/electronic), not “progressive rock” per se. I still associate progressive rock with virtuosic musicians playing long songs in the 1970s. But it’s all cool. Do a video on art rock!
This is going to take some time to digest - going on a bit of a Janelle Monae & 4Hero binge...
waiting for the next episode of "Another The TEN GAPAs"
I realy love listening to your channel
but now i hear prog all over the place
and im getting confused.
Life was a lot more easy when I considered King Crimson as the definisjon of prog.
No hear prog in tracks like The sun is rising(Bob Marley)🤔
I don't know why Janelle Monae isn't a bigger star than she is.
agreed...
I agree also. Her first two albums were sort of this progressive soul, which and someways have never really been done before. The fact that she’s also an extremely beautiful woman has pulled her into acting where she seems to be more focused these days.
@@Rick-jg8vx there is a new rebranded category at the Grammy's known as "Progressive R&B" which my wife rolls her eyes at.
Mr Bungle at their most straightforward is more prog than anything Neal Morse has ever done, less symphonic but proggier (the prog term goes beyond the symphonic/neo style can u believe it)
Love Neal btw
That's all very well, but what's the most prog flavour of crisps? Is it prawn?
Mellotron flavour
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Yum, tapey.
nice lone rhino on display
we are on the same page X
I know
I'll confess Cardiacs wears on me pretty quickly - like being in a deluge. Are there any Cardiacs records that are less "Saturated?
Try one of the greatest songs ever written....Dirty Boy
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer Thanks! Listening to individual songs - amazing stuff. When I try to listen to entire albums is where it tends to wear on me.
If one treated this as just a "listening homework" list, that alone would open doors - even if it was necessary to close some of them again today, and come back maybe next week. (So maybe if someone digs in too much on the category the music belongs in they could get something out of this, as "progression-music" - rungs of a ladder someone could use to climb up to the next cloud on - maybe find some friends of Zeus up there.) Or Morpheus Miracle Maker.
Just going by what I already know (and so agree on) in the list, I can see there's the possibility of progression, there. And if there's progression, what does it matter if it's "progressive-rock" or not?
(I sort-of get the impulse to demand "proper progressive rock", too, though. People find a "product" they like - to put it in a probably unnecessarily ugly way - and they want more of it. They love their Topographical Ocean, but they're hoping they can have some MORE of that. It's quite possibly entirely down to this desire for MORE. Trouble is the MORE in question might turn out to be the "cocaine-more" - so it doesn't really exist, and every time it becomes less, unless one stops rolling eyes at those who say Less is More.
So for the shopper for that new music-gem (that's what the critics call them, I think? gems. little hard, shiny stones) that gives more of that kick the old drug did, maybe this "progressiveness approach" - an adjective, I think, as opposed to the fixation on what the noun signifies is a better way of dealing with that lack of that very particular kind of MORE. viz. stop chasing the Will o' the Wisp, and instead Take a Break. Ration out the Yes, and on the days where it is forbidden to take any Yes, go seeking where progressions to some kind of Elsewhere might be possible. That means even not insisting on the music being something you like. Certainly for me, almost all the songs I liked right away, fully, are on my "B-list" today, and almost everything I can't seem to ever get enough of was something I was slow in coming to terms with. So for those insisting on there being the impossible MORE Classic Yes, here's another option. Keep the Yes you already have more fresh by keeping it as a treat for special occasions, and get ye out there into yon Marshes to go Jack Russelling after Rats there, even. Get out of the comfort-lounge, get out into the wet and cold, and go and bark too loud at something for flocksakes.
Richard Dawson
I think it's weird that nowhere in the Louis Cole section do you mention his absurd, deadpan sense of humor. I had never heard of him before and as I'm listening to Time (which I'm loving) it's one of the things that stands out. It's like talking about Zappa and never mentioning that. I would imagine that, like Zappa (not a fan of his humor btw), this would be polarizing.
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This is the vid that bookends the first few I saw from you which included the recommendation for the feeling( you’ll have to forgive the punctuation and possibly even grammar )my phone screen is fucked. Ooo not that fucked that if I do t turn my phone about it seems to work.
There were only two of those artists that I’d not got albums by.
The rest is as if our movement through musical territory is very similar. Is that an age thing, a musician thing….. a West Midlands thing ?
No idea but thanks for reiterating….. the feeling, (the band) and if I can
make a request or even suggest…. Go and check out ren
He’ll restore your faith to go beyond what journalists try to push
The subtle and the overt arrive within months of each other ?
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We have these terms but the terms don't invent themselves nor does the music invent the terms. The terms are borrowed from concepts that aren't directly related to music or material things for that matter. I think you have to strip it all down to the basic. You have to strip it down to nothing but the human being. These terms describe concepts that are relevant to the state of being of humans. Progressive for the human being is the opposite of regressive. The qualities related to these concepts are positive and negative respectively. What determines positive and negative for the human being is based on whatever contributes to or leads one to the fulfillment of their potential or their separation from it. Inescapably these concepts are based in the notion of the existence of God, who represents the pinnacle or the source of human fulfillment.
Undoubtedly without intention, progressive rock is a genre which explores and encourages the musical expression of ideas and machinations which expand human awareness and experience towards the fulfillment of previously unexplored and unrealized potential. The whole idea of progressive rock rests upon the notion of elevation for the musician and the listener. It's no mystery why much of the progressive music experience is often compared to a religious one. Even when the music has an intentionally non-religious focus (I won't say "non-spiritual" because human beings are essentially spiritual, even in degradation. For example, even a person who acts inhumane is no less a human being. Spirituality, for human beings, even if resisted, is inescapable) qualities such as honesty, vulnerability, truthfulness, confession, morality, anger, justice, vengeance, indignation, rebellion, respect and disrespect, among others, are clearly present in all music.
Art, like the rest of life, is not passive and doesn't come from a vacuum.
Exactly.
The list in this video is maybe even more amputational (okay maybe that's not a word) than most from Mr. Edwards. To be fair there has been an explosion of high quality gritty boundary pushing rock music in recent decades and no "ten greatest list" would be close to complete. Still this video is kind of like a geography lesson that leaves out a few continents. Sorry to be annoying (again), but here are a few more albums that might be worth checking out:
Praxis, Metatron...Massacre Killing Time or Funny Valentine... Arcana, Arc of Destiny...Xs (maybe start w/ the self titled album)...Secret Chiefs 3 (maybe start w/ Book M... Upsilon Acrux, Galapagos Momentum... Univers Zero (maybe The Hard Quest)...Dr. Nerve, Skin... Thinking Plague, In This Life...Blast, Stringy Rugs...Present, Le Poison Qui Rend Fou... Ruins, Burning Stone...Tipographica, Tipographica.
You can't wait until the next episode?
I agree...I have changed the title (can't change the thumbnail right now) to reflect that this list is pretty subjective. I just want to start covering this music more and get away from MOR prog...
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer You mean MOR prog like Rush and Pink Floyd?
@@AndyEdwardsDrummer or do you mean that you want to get away from all the Japanese and european MOR prog like Geinoh Yamashirogumi, Tipographica, Univers Zero and Shub Niggurath?
@@bertkarlsson1421 The former...I love Rush and Pink Floyd but it is not what I want to keep talking about here
I love your channel. I think you had too much techno on this list. What about the amazing mars Volta.? They meet your criteria they’re certainly not a 70s band but have taken alternative into Prog. Or what about Radiohead? Serj Tankian? Mogwai or Tool? The Avalanches. Anathema? Tortoise? Again I hate to be that guy that’s like what about this band or that band. I just think you missed an opportunity and should’ve titled your list techno Prog. And then do another list of bands that have taken the genre forward, but are still somewhat within the boundaries of.Prog
I mentioned Radiohead and a lot of those bands I discussed on my history of prog series.
How do you know that Disco Volante was named after a boat, and not after the Alfa Romeo cars named Disco Volante?
Because the band were fans of the Bond film and that’s where they referenced it from.
There's Drill'n'Bass and then there's Breakcore (pretty much same thing if you ask me) and Venetian Snares who through the 00s released almost 1.75 hours of music per year in almost exclusively 175 BPM and 7/4 time signature. In Rossz csillag alatt született he combines those breakbeats with samples(?) of Mahler, Stravinsky, etc ruclips.net/video/H28YlOrnTaA/видео.html&
Haxan Cloak
Burial
I was hoping you'd say R.E.M.'s "Monster" is prog.
There was a lot of classism/reverse snobbery in the ghettoising of prog by NME 'punks'. Weren't the likes of Burchill & Parsons from more privileged backgrounds or at least I don't think their dads worked down a mine, etc? The reality was that Lydon loved VdGG plus esoteric stuff like Can & Beefheart! The result of this ghettoising was the term 'progressive rock' becoming a straitjacket. Eg neo prog bands thinking their vocalist HAD to sound like Jon Anderson/Gabriel; HAD to involve 20min suites of nonsense we've all heard before from 1973. REgressive rock? In comics, Watchmen and Dark Knight came out and for the next 30 to 40 years we've had endless inferior knock offs.
YES King Crimson Moody Blues ELP They are the true progressive Rock bands
There’s life before and after Cardiacs isn’t there!
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Oysterhead?
Hey Andy something tells me that you aren't a Tool fan 🤷🏻
No,,,they are DULL!!!
Yes, uninspiring... Tool could be written by AI.