In the book Dumbledore said that he didn’t want Dracos soul ruined. And snape asked, “and my soul?” Dumbledore said that Snape knows whether helping an old man fulfill his wishes will not damaged he soul.
thats the main difference in my eyes... snape was just doing as dumbledore wished he knew he was damning himself which is why in my opinion he didn't damn himself...he never TRULY wanted to kill dumbledore(or atleast murder him) he killed dumbledore out of kindness which allowed the curse to work without the splitting imo.
The subtly in Alan Rickmans facial expressions and tone of voice as he portrayed Severus Snape are amazing. I never tire of watching Snape scenes. I wish the movies did a better job of including more of scenes with Snape that were in the book!
Rickman was amazing, although I think some of the writing for Snape in the movies was not the best. They made it a little too obvious he was a good guy.
Oh yes I remember the scene where he walked into the class room the first time. I was like great casting this guy is Snape dead on. He was really Snape how I imagined Snape from the books
@@MintyCoffee Well, everything is subjective I guess. I was referring to the films only. And in my view it's obvious because Snape never really does anything too villainous in the films. He's not even really THAT mean to Harry. This isn't true in the books, however.
9:08 Dumbledore even said that he'd prefer death from a quick Avada Kedavra from Snape to being tortured to death by Bellatrix or being mauled to death or eaten by Greyback.
When Harry uses one of the unforgivable curse on bellatrix, it only works for a second but pushes her over because he didn’t want it. What about if snapes killing curse didn’t directly kill dumbledore because he didn’t mean it but the push back and of the ledge meant dumbledore died when he hit the ground. This would explain why dumbledore still looked alive when he was falling
When Harry was falling because he fell of his broom after passing out, dumbledore had to stop his fall. Going by terminal velocity it is possible that dumbledore and Harry were going the same speed therefore if dumbledore would survive so would have Harry. Also if you look at Neville, he only fell a small distant and broke his wrist.
"I shall never reveal the best of you, Severus" ... that is all I takes to understand that point. Snape was absolutely selfless from the time he "left" the death eaters to work with Dumbledore and the Order until his death, not caring what people thought of him, as long as his actions were honorable. That is not an easy feat. To be HATED for something you did for the greater good, and tell no one... is a lonely and sad road, and Snape did this with absolute poise and grace "always."
You are absolutely correct. It isn't murder, it is euthanasia. The spell worked, as Snape wanted Dumbledore free of pain, as well as saving his own life.
Duumbledore’s last words were “Severus, Please”. I feel that those words also aided in Snape not splitting his soul and having Dumbledore accept his end.
Stapes soul was still intact after helping Dumbledore achieve what amounted to assisted suicide. Avada Kedavra kills instantly so far as we know and it leaves no injury to the body externally or internally. That may have made it even kinder than a potion that was lethal. “Severus, please...” was Dumbledore’s reminder to honour his promise.
Snape was a master in occlumency. If he sealed his mind so it didn't contradicts his will to kill it might have a major influence why it worked...so when you put all together it made it possible for Snape to kill Dumbledore without getting split 1) Occlumency 2) The killing of Dumbledore was already agreed on...there for not murder as we know it 3) Dumbledore begs for him to kill him.. not for his life 4) Dumbledore was already dying and likely almost dead anyway 5) He saves Draco by doing so. 6) He knew if he ever should get his revenge towards Voldemort he had to kill Dumbledore at that moment 7) He did it to protect others. Meaning "love" again has the influence 8) The vow has a small part to because he needed to kill Dumbledore to stay safe himself... and he knew he had to stay alive as long as possible.
@@pavanichugh3573 Killing just means ending someones life. Murder adds intent, and a murdered victim does not die willingly. All murders are kills, but not all kills are murders. For example, when someone takes their own life you can say that they killed themself, but not that they murdered themself
What happens to the dementors after wizarding war 2 Also was narcissa black and andromeda black reunited after wizarding war 2 Also I think it worked because dumbledore wanted it to work snape also knew he was doing it for the person he loved, lilly Evans
I read somewhere that they never reunited since Narcissa wasn’t about muggles marring wizards or witches. Even after her son marring a “mudblood”, she supported the situation ‘cause of Draco and the idea of family unity, but that’s it.
I think in the last book they mentioned something about the dementors being locked away in the department of mysteries, but our guess is as good as any
I believe there is another reason Snapes' soul was safe. The curse on Dumbledores' hand was misery. Ending the misery that Dumbledore was going through was also a heartfelt act... To end his suffering. People in this kind of daily/hourly constant, unrelenting suffering tend to not talk much about it because no one wants to constantly hear it. Because of this, Dumbledore is just not the complaining type but Snape would understand this and know that by ending Dumbledores' life he would free him from it. It was also an act of compassion.
Not really how it works though, his soul didn't split because it wasn't murder. Using your logic if I murder person A that was abusing person B, I am showing person B compassion, but I have still commit murder and thus, my soul would split.
@@alexc5369 but this is why it isn't murder. If it isn't murder but this answer doesn't explain why, then what is the reason Snape's soul was saved? In real life, clearly things are different - mercy killings of humans is still murder becausewe are supposed to do everything possible to help them. The fact he was already dying doesm't matter - you are to try to extend their life as much as possible. Using this normal logic, one could also argue that it's still murder even if Snape knew someone else would do it if he didn't. The fact is that he took it upon himself to make Dumbledore die by his hand when Dumbledore wasn't threatening him. If you tell me to kill you, it's still murder in real life. But in the Harry Potter universe, killing in this situation (a mercy killing) has a different effect on the soul as the consequences of murder don't apply.
Also Dumbledore lived another year to teach Harry thanks to Snape so Snape literally give another one year life to Dumbledore and saved him for a year.
What are your favourite spells everyone? Mine are 1)NYYYYYEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH 2)AAAVAAAAEDA KEEEDAURAAAAAA!!(DH 2 in the forest) 3)Exxxxxxxxx.....PErliAmoUS!(Used by Snape) 4)EXXXXXPECTOUU.. PATRONUm!!! 5)EEEYYAAAHH!!!!(the one that destroyed Hogwarts shield) 6)TAH! (OTP)
@@fetamean he said avada. And it always bugged me that's what the movie had him say because EVERYONE knows that lucius malfoy wouldn't have had the stones to kill harry. Especially at Hogwarts with Dumbledore right up the hall.
A reason I would use to support this arguement is to simply listen to Alan Rickman's delivery of the incantation when Severus kills Albus in the HBP movie. If you listen closely, you can hear a slight falter in Severus's tone as he pronounces the spell. Severus knew he had to go through with it but clearly had no ill will towards Albus in that moment.
Alan Rickman's delivery is just another thing these dreadful films got wrong. Not saying it is his fault but his version of Snape is basically far too sympathetic and far easier to read than in the books, which is because these films have to be understood by any moron who will buy a ticket. The way Snape behaves in this scene is very different in the book, where he looks at Dumbledore with his usual sneering expression and cold gaze before shouting "Avada Kadabra". It does not say he has tears in his fatherly eyes or a wobbly lip/trembling voice. But then, these films turned the best book in the series, Order of the Phoenix, in to a two hour, flat mess with a bit of flashing light at the end.
Incorrect, how he pronounced it means nothing at all. We go by the books. Snape really did mean/ intended to kill Dumbledore. His soul did not split, because it was not murder.
@@GhostRider-on6bz Well, allow me to assure you from my experience of watching the "Half-Blood Prince" with people not previously acquainted with the books (several times), and NONE of them interpreted he was a good guy, especially not at that moment of killing Dumbledore! Everyone would be just shocked and angry. "Far easier to read?" I believe you just allow your retrospective of having read the books to influence how you see that moment. And YES, on repeated views some details in Allan Rickman's acting are there to hint not all is as it seems. But they are small really, a split-second grimace, a note in the voice. "Dreadful", at least, should not be used regarding this part of the film. C'mon.
I doubt it since Snape would likely have felt remorse considering how hesitant he was to do it. If you think about it lots of the good guys killed people during the war. Molly Weasley is a perfect example of this. True she was fighting to protect her daughter but still killed intentionally. I feel she would have felt remorse later on in life even if she didn't at the time she killed her.
The real question is: if Snape had his doubts about killing Dumbledore due to the integrity of his soul, does it mean that he hadn't kill anybody previously? Cus, why to complain if you're split up already?
Hermione said that you can fix your soul after creating a horcrux but it would be painful if not cause death I think repairing your soul after just shattering it by killing someone would be much easier to repair then the situation with a horcrux
@@anthonydaniels2678 dumblore mentions to Harry in HBP that the way to mend it is by showing true remorse. - that is the painful part, try are not talking about physical pain but more emotional.
I get the feeling that he actually didn't kill anyone directly, which was probably rare among the death eaters. If he did, it is a strong possibility he felt real remorse, so his soul healed. However, even if he did kill, it still makes sense for him to be offended, because it would be like Dumbledoor saying that he's so damaged already, that it doesn't matter, which isn't true and is really hurtful to someone with a checkered past. The more you kill, the more your soul breaks. Plus if his already healed, he wouldn't want to break it again. I'm not even sure if Snape knew about murder's physical affects on the soul until Dumbledoor told him anyway. Regardless if someone knows about it or not, the affects will still be the same.
It could also be the fact that Snape killed Dumbledore out of love to stop him from suffering from the curse. Also as Snape had extended Dumbledores life it was not against nature for him to end it
In a way, the fact that the killing curse works, makes that scene poetic. I always looked at it as the loophole is, Dumbledore was condemned to death through the curse of the ring. Snape also wanted to kill Dumbledore because the curse from the ring was likely highly more painful & drawn out. It's like Ol' Yeller, & getting rabies. Snape had to convince himself that putting Dumbledore out of his misery was better than a long drawn-out death. In-turn, Snape wanted Dumbledore to die, in the least painful way. Albus even said "Severus, please" (put me down, I've accepted it) to help encourage Snape that it was OK & for the Greater Good. The curse from the ring was long & painful. The Killing curse was "quicker than falling asleep"
Fantastic theory Dean! Only difference I would have said that even though Snape used the killing curse on dumbledore, it may not have necessarily killed dumbledore had Snape used avada kedavra in another part of the castle but given dumbledores age, the fact that he was wandless and that the curse packs a punch anyway, it could be possible that it was actually the fall that killed dumbledore rather than the curse because the astronomy tower is the highest tower at Hogwarts. That would keep up appearances with the death eaters and spare Snape's soul
Yes, I felt that because of those reasons Snape was able to do the spell successfully but his soul be intact too. I always assumed his soul was intact & moved on to heaven, hopefully to find the happiness he didn't have in life. Also even if he thought there was a chance Dumbledore didn't have to die & he could find another way to convince Voldemort, once Dumbledore was dying anyway then he would be like many people watching a loved one die a slow death from disease. By going through with the plan for Dumbledore to die at a set time, he did what he needed to keep the plan on track, but he also kept the man he had grown to respect from suffering a slow painful death. Despite Snape's faults, the only people that he truly wanted to suffer horrible physical pain were those responsible for Lily's death. (He did still have bad feelings towards those that teased him in school, but he wanted emotional vengeance on them, not physical torture.) He wasn't indifferent to the idea of Dumbledore in physical pain or losing respect from being seen as too old & sick, no longer one of the best. He helped Dumbledore "go out in a blaze of glory", & did it in a way that kept secret his own equally hard part of the battle against Voldemort until the moment he was dying too. Even when he revealed the truth of Dumbledore's plan he did it only to Harry, so he could know the very last info he needed to defeat Voldemort, that Harry definitely was a horcrux too & would have to willingly face death. He let everyone think he had betrayed & murdered Dumbledore, knowing he would then be hated forever for it by everyone other than Voldemort & the Death Eaters. Snape was seriously a fantastic double agent, even though his reasons for doing it were personal instead of just to stop evil from winning.
I think you nailed down quite effectively. One thing that I was thinking when I saw the title of the video was that Snape wasn't killing Dumbledore out of anger or rage, but out of love for him and the students at Hogwarts. I believe Snape loved Dumbledore as a mentor and as a friend. Like you pointed out, they planned Dumbledore's death because he was dying anyways and Snape had tried everything he could go save him, but in the end even Snape's vast knowledge of potions and probably some grey area magics weren't going to be enough. I think the trust and the respect they had for each other also helped to save Snape's soul.
*I actually have a different theory. Like you've said, 'Avada Kedavra' (the killing curse) kills someone instantly. I have been confused about Dumbledore's death for a while now because... That's not what happened. He wás hit with the killing curse but when he fell... He wasn't dead. There was consciousness still while falling. That's not how the curse works unless.... You don't mean it and thus the effect not being quite the same just like when Harry hit Bellatrix with the Cruciatus curse. A milder variant was casted. A múch milder variant which turned out to not be effective in the end. I feel that thát is what happened to Dumbledore which would make a lot of sense because of the consciousness thing but also because of Snape's soul remaining intact. How did Dumbledore meet his end then? Logically due to physics. That fall WAS ONE BIG ASS FALL. Nobody would survive anything like that. No wizard no muggle. I feel like this combined with the intention part as well which you have discussed, would cover it all.*
In the movies it doesnt seem to kill instantly. The spider wavers and flails a bit.Diggory isnt dead until he hits the ground. Sirius falls slowly through the portal with his eyes blinking--i know bellatrix doesnt say the killing curse but it is a green strike that kills Sirius--it was the killing curse. Heck even the strike that kills Lily Potter she is like wincing before falling dead. I think it is dramatic license the movies take but that makes each use unique.
Before I watch the video I'm going to say no it didn't split his soul. For two reasons 1 Snape was loyal to Dumbledore and Dumbledore told him that the curse that was on him was going to kill him slowly and painfully and and to kill him before the curse did would have been a service to Dumbledore and would be a mercy kill. 2 Snape killing Dumbledore was in the service of a greater good. It cemented his place with Voldemort which ultimately lead to the defeat of Voldemort, Voldemort got his confirmation on Snape and now from within, the victory was assured. In short, no because it served a pure purpose from intention and love point if view
I believe his soul remained in tact simply because he at the core of his being, he was a good person. We all make mistakes, some bigger than others, some with more detrimental consequences. As J.K. Rowling herself said, Snape is a "gray" character, but every day that passes we make choices that shape who we truly are. Snape could have abandoned everything at any time, both before and after the agreement with Narcissa. I don't believe that he wanted to kill Dumbledore, and I believe in some way he was his only true friend and ally. Snape may have caused a lot of damage in his life, but he also went through a lot of pain and grief. I am definitely a Snape fan, but I can't put aside the things he might have done as a DE. I think all of the DEs killed people, but then again, Snape may have been able to lie to Voldemort about that as well (I certainly hope so).
Suicide by Snape..... He knew he was dying a slow painful death. Telling Severus to end his misery, and Severus did. Tragic but plans within plans came to fruition.
Wow man like out of the million youtubers on here even if someone said your content sucked your sincerity sounds for for real you are by far the kindest soul on RUclips like unrivaled
(Note: This comment was made before watching past the introduction mark at 1:16. I wanted to give my thoughts on the matter before they were influenced by the video) It didn't split his soul because it was assisted suicide from an incurable condition to prevent further suffering, not murder. As to how he was able to cast it if his heart wasn't in it? His heart was in it, just not directly. He didn't truly WANT to kill Dumbledore, but he desperately wanted to stop Voldemort. He NEEDED to protect the son of Lilly Evans. He desired to ease the suffering of a friend and mentor. And while he didn't want to kill Dumbledore, the fact that those three goals each made killing Dumbledore necessary meant that he needed to kill Dumbledore even if he didn't want to. So, Avada Kedavera worked for him.
First: no, he knew it was a mercy. Second: murder, not killing (self defence, accidents and so on. Can be deadly) splits the soul Third: the soul wants to stay together, so even if a murder happens the split usually only is temporary, probably leaving a "scar" unless you use the horcrux ritual. Exeption of this rule was voldemort because his soul was weakend.
Without Snape's intervention, Dumbledore would've died from the cursed ring. Snape ending Dumbledore's life was almost like balancing nature, in a way.
Snape killed Dumbledore because he wanted him to. Dumbledore said that killing him will taint Draco's soul. Therefore, Snape , being a former death eater must have killed someone before. Even if he got away without killing people,snape would need an object to cast his soul into.
And what about Bellatrix Lestrange, she must have killed more people than Snape (if he killed people as a former Death Eater).There is also a good chance, I think, that Bellatrix has also used the Crusiatus Curse.
Remorse he felt massive remorse in killing him ,so if preforming the killing curse did split his soul the remorse of him doing so would fix it or maybe would prevent it from splitting because Snape was remorseful from the start 🤷♂️ I love this channel keep up the good work buddy,I can’t wait to see the riddle story ✌️💚🤘
When minerva and snape dueled in the great hall snape diverted mierva's attacks and killed the two death eaters in the back ground. So my question is who technically killed them and did their souls get split
@John Doe I agree, for example I definetly do not believe that Molly's soul was split after killing Bellatrix However, watching the duel between Snape and Mcgonagall I never thought that the Carrows behind him died, I always assumed they just fell unconscious
Alan Rickman was the perfect choice for Snape even though he wasn't a villain in a certain point of view Rickman played a couple of my favorite villains, Hans Gruber in Die Hard and the sherif from Robin Hood prince of thieves I can't remember what other movies he's been in
I cried so hard when Dumbledore died, In book and movie. Like I have tears on the page and I had to wipe it. My parents thought I just had nightmares or something.
I think that after Snape warned Dumbledore about Voldemort going after Lily, Snape might've made an Unbreakable Vow to stay loyal to Dumbledore and protect Harry. Dumbledore would've made him do this to guarantee that he wouldn't change sides. And he would make him protect Harry not only because Harry was the main target, but because Snape was so dismissive about protecting anyone other than Lily anyway.
I don't think so, because I believe from the prince tale in the 4 book, Dumbledore asked him if he will join to ex death eater to hide from Voldemort, Snape replied " I'm not such coward" !!
snape was not dismissive about protecting harry yes he was a bit dismissive at first but at the next second he willingly accepted it but don't want anyone to know it as harry was not only lily's son but also james who was his bully in school. dumbledore would not do a deadly bound as unbreakable vow with severus let alone anyone, he wanted severus to be loyal at his willingness not by any magical contract.
Because the whole point was to keep Harry alive at the last moment. Also Snape was protecting harry, if belletrix or other death eaters seen this his cover would have been blown. And all would have been for nothing.
I think what happened is that in the same way that Harry only knocked Bella down when he used CRUCIO. So dumbledore pretended he was killed by the AVADA to trick the death eaters, when really he took too much fall damage from falling off the tower
It was not Dumbledore's fault that Lilly died, so Snape would not have hated him for that. With the fidelius charm in place, it was ultimately Peter Pettigrew's fault that the potters died.
I still remember reading about Professor Snape Killing Dumbledore July 2009 when Harry Potter and the half blood prince was released . My head understood the plan but my heart weeped and weeped . I was so upset I had to backup in the story many chapters when things were happier and reread that chapter that night so I could go to sleep.
Remorse repairs the split up of the soul. Harry tried to get Voldemort to feel remorse to negate any Horcruxes made by splitting the soul that they may have missed so that he can be killed.
Killing alone doesn’t split the soul, it only causes damage. The Horcrux spell/ritual then takes advantage of that weakness to actually split the soul.
Here's another way to rationalize it. Snape's curse didn't actually kill Dumbledore. It only provided enough force to push him off the tower. It was the fall that actually killed him. This way, Snape didn't want to kill him, though, to the Death Eaters, it looked like he did. The reason the unbreakble vow didn't kill Snape is because when the vow was made, it was never said that the murder had to be done with the killing curse. Dumbledore still died because of what Snape did, but because it wasn't magic that killed him, his soul was not split. (EDIT): Also, if you watch Dumbledore's death scene, you can see a brief flicker of hesitation in Snape's eyes as he casts the curse. And also, If you watch closely during the shot where Dumbledore is falling, you can see his eyes begin to close, which wouldn't happen if it was the curse that killed him. (example: Cedric, whose eyes remained wide open.)
I totally agree with your assessment of Dumbledore death. #1 He ask Professor Snape to end his life, #2 he saved Malfoy from ruining his life, #3 he had the unbreakable vow, #4 he saved Harry from certain death, #5 he instill his loyalty to Lord Voltimore, #6 he also kept his word to Professor Dumbledore. Great Job & God Bless
Two lines popped into my mind from a lyric: "My heart can't possibly break When it wasn't even whole to start with" I think that sums up Snape's mental and spiritual state since his childhood.
Because Dumbledore understood "for the greater good" better than Grindlewald. Even he wasn't above it all and willing to die to save it all. I wonder if he'll use that line against Grindlewald when the fantastic beasts movie finally get to their duel. I do hope they bring Depp back.
Love this video! I’d be interested to hear more about curses invented by Snape such as sectumsempra and how they play out being more of a grey area. Also, sort of related, but the reason for harry’s potion only working with the half-blood prince’s amendments - is this to do with Fudge/Dolores Umbridge trying to make the wizarding cirriculum less practical-based and her influence is still felt 2 books later? Reaching I know haha
And this I recall when snape showed the silver dough patroness somewhere between those scenes where they had the conversation dumbledore says I never should have revealed the best in you s Severus.
Ima just put this here. Snape was a badass mother fucker. He had full and absolute control over himself. If he needed to kill someone for the greater good he would make himslf hate them and truly want them to for the greater good.
I liked your analysis very much especially regarding the true meaning of for the greater good for Dumbledore. A real sacrifice out of love for others instead of sacrificing others for personal interest. I like to think it gives a certain peace to Dumbledore. He truly became an extraordinary man, not for his achievements but for his heart
Interesting theory. I always had the impression that although killing was part of splitting the soul, you still had to do other things while creating a horcux that resulted in your soul being split. It wasn't just killing that splits the soul. If all you had to do was kill someone or something to split your soul then there is a bunch of wizards and witches walking around with split souls. Does that mean that Barty Crouch Jr. split his soul when he killed the spider to demonstrate the curse? I don't think so. Or what about all of the accidental deaths and killings that magic has caused over the years? I don't think those events would split a person's soul.
Kind of reminds me of A ,line that John coffe said in the green mile "he killed them with their love, Everyday someone kills sombody with their love." Then John coffe States ." I'm tired boss. Tired of people being ugly to each other, and tired of people being killed with their love. It's like pieces of glass in my head. "If you watch the movie ,it is very very impactful, and it's also based off a book ,that Stephen King wrote. So what I'm trying to say is ,snape killed dumbledore out of love . The green mile is a movie with Tom Hanks in it . And Tom Hanks's character did not want to kill John even though John had already been sentenced to die by a jury of his peers accused of something he didn't do. And there's a point in that movie. Where Tom Hanks' character asks John, 'when I stand before God , on my day of judgment, And, am asked, Why I killed one of his greatest creations ?what am I supposed to say ,it was my job!" To which John replies 'it wasn't the job you had to do, it was the kindness that you gave"., And i my self am going to add. And the understanding and sympathy that you gave. To a man that was always considered guilty just because John coffe was a rather large black man in the south I think this story takes place in the 1920's or 1930's in the state of Georgia .Was still a very dark time in the US past .with segregation .and any homeless black person was considered a threat .just because the color of their skin, even if they were totally innocent ,and John coffe had a special gift. he could heal and see things as they're happening they're happening in other words he was psychic he was both a talipath and a Clarvoient and a healer. And any white people at this time, would think it was evil voodoo ,or something like that. When it really wasn't they were special gifts from God. How that applies to dumbledore however he was gonna die anyway because of the curse from the gaunt ring So in many ways snape was doing dumbledore a favor now whether it was out of love or kindness I don't know but I think it's both.
Up until the moment he actually says the spel I thought: " Snape come quickly and do something ! Save him, fight the Death-Eaters, anything!" When he said shhhhhhhhhh to Harry I thought "Finally!" Had a great feeling of relief. Then....... "W-what.....?!" Till the very end of the movie I was hoping D would wake up somehow.
yep, when Snape killed Dumbedore, he didn't do it out of malice....as Bellatrix told Harry, you have to mean it.....also in the Deathly Hallows book Hermione said you need regret to fuse the pieces back together....killing someone does not mean your soul splits...you have to do it out of malice or anger....but with great regret the soul is healed
I think when Snape was a Deatheater he truly believed in Voldemort and Voldemort knew it. I think he must have killed before for Voldemort to trust him and believe him as much as he did. This means Snape's soul was already damaged in some way and snape probably believing that having not used the killing curse itself that might not be the case. This is why Snape asked Dumbledore about his soul.
If using a killing curse to end someone life premature is a crime against nature and splits your soul, what about less direct magical ways to kill someone? Set them on fire, levitate them above a large drop and then let go, transmutate their blood, etc, etc. And what about people who use magic to extend life past their natural time by things such as the Philosopher's Stone?
it was a mercy killing severus was also protecting malfoy's soul from killing. Dumbledore knew murdering him would destroy Draco Malfoy (another way to get back at Lucius for failing HWMNBN multiple times)
The reason the students wouldn’t be able to get more than a nose bleed from attempting the imperious curse on Moody is because regardless of whether or not their true intent may have been to kill him, their wand would still only be pointing at Barty Crouch Jr.
In the book Dumbledore said that he didn’t want Dracos soul ruined. And snape asked, “and my soul?” Dumbledore said that Snape knows whether helping an old man fulfill his wishes will not damaged he soul.
Exactly.
I was about to say the same. I fully agree with you.
Interesting parallel to the euthanasia debate
only good thing for me atleast dumbledore has been killed by a friend
thats the main difference in my eyes... snape was just doing as dumbledore wished he knew he was damning himself which is why in my opinion he didn't damn himself...he never TRULY wanted to kill dumbledore(or atleast murder him) he killed dumbledore out of kindness which allowed the curse to work without the splitting imo.
The subtly in Alan Rickmans facial expressions and tone of voice as he portrayed Severus Snape are amazing. I never tire of watching Snape scenes. I wish the movies did a better job of including more of scenes with Snape that were in the book!
Alan Rickman sometimes speaks by exaggerating consonants. Decades ago, Rosalind Russell did that, also.
Rickman was amazing, although I think some of the writing for Snape in the movies was not the best. They made it a little too obvious he was a good guy.
Oh yes I remember the scene where he walked into the class room the first time. I was like great casting this guy is Snape dead on. He was really Snape how I imagined Snape from the books
@@JeanValjean875 Not really. It's only "obvious" In hindsight.
@@MintyCoffee Well, everything is subjective I guess. I was referring to the films only. And in my view it's obvious because Snape never really does anything too villainous in the films. He's not even really THAT mean to Harry. This isn't true in the books, however.
9:08 Dumbledore even said that he'd prefer death from a quick Avada Kedavra from Snape to being tortured to death by Bellatrix or being mauled to death or eaten by Greyback.
what??!!
Same
Eaten not eaten
Fair lmao
I was thinking of this the entire video! I remember that part of the book
When Harry uses one of the unforgivable curse on bellatrix, it only works for a second but pushes her over because he didn’t want it. What about if snapes killing curse didn’t directly kill dumbledore because he didn’t mean it but the push back and of the ledge meant dumbledore died when he hit the ground. This would explain why dumbledore still looked alive when he was falling
True, but Dumbledore was a wizard (obviously) and I don’t think he would’ve died from falling that hight, even though it’s that high up.
I think that wizards are more durable than normal humans so I he probably would have survived the fall
What he 'looked like' when he was falling means nothing, we go by the book and Snape really did mean to kill him.
When Harry was falling because he fell of his broom after passing out, dumbledore had to stop his fall. Going by terminal velocity it is possible that dumbledore and Harry were going the same speed therefore if dumbledore would survive so would have Harry. Also if you look at Neville, he only fell a small distant and broke his wrist.
@@superpeanutcrusade9208 True! So the curse did what it was supposed to do
"I shall never reveal the best of you, Severus" ... that is all I takes to understand that point. Snape was absolutely selfless from the time he "left" the death eaters to work with Dumbledore and the Order until his death, not caring what people thought of him, as long as his actions were honorable. That is not an easy feat. To be HATED for something you did for the greater good, and tell no one... is a lonely and sad road, and Snape did this with absolute poise and grace "always."
thanks i’m crying. 😭
that is why he was "the bravest man I´ve ever knew"
Wow ok...this broke me.
He's like itachi uchiha
Perhaps movie Snape did it with poise and grace; book Snape did not in my view. But he still did it, even though it cost him so much.
Beautiful work,his soul should be intact, Dumbledore wanted it to happen. The movie made it look like he leaped out the window backwards
He fell
oh so maybe the spell didn't work and he knew it wouldn't?
You are absolutely correct. It isn't murder, it is euthanasia. The spell worked, as Snape wanted Dumbledore free of pain, as well as saving his own life.
He was on the edge so if the curse wasn't lethal it would atleast push him over killing him anyways.
Dumbledore died by holding onto the fancy watch which was a mistake because when it came off he fell off the tower.
Duumbledore’s last words were “Severus, Please”. I feel that those words also aided in Snape not splitting his soul and having Dumbledore accept his end.
Stapes soul was still intact after helping Dumbledore achieve what amounted to assisted suicide. Avada Kedavra kills instantly so far as we know and it leaves no injury to the body externally or internally. That may have made it even kinder than a potion that was lethal. “Severus, please...” was Dumbledore’s reminder to honour his promise.
He ended dumbledores suffering from
The cursed ring so it was actually a favor. And why it had a blue hue instead of green
Snape was a master in occlumency. If he sealed his mind so it didn't contradicts his will to kill it might have a major influence why it worked...so when you put all together it made it possible for Snape to kill Dumbledore without getting split
1) Occlumency
2) The killing of Dumbledore was already agreed on...there for not murder as we know it
3) Dumbledore begs for him to kill him.. not for his life
4) Dumbledore was already dying and likely almost dead anyway
5) He saves Draco by doing so.
6) He knew if he ever should get his revenge towards Voldemort he had to kill Dumbledore at that moment
7) He did it to protect others. Meaning "love" again has the influence
8) The vow has a small part to because he needed to kill Dumbledore to stay safe himself... and he knew he had to stay alive as long as possible.
Snape killed Dumbledore, he didn't murder him. That is the difference
also he felt remorse which mends the soul as well
so may I know that what is the difference between killing and murder????
pavani chugh Yeah I have the same Question
@@pavanichugh3573 Killing just means ending someones life. Murder adds intent, and a murdered victim does not die willingly. All murders are kills, but not all kills are murders. For example, when someone takes their own life you can say that they killed themself, but not that they murdered themself
Effectively Snape euthanised Dumbledore.
What happens to the dementors after wizarding war 2
Also was narcissa black and andromeda black reunited after wizarding war 2
Also I think it worked because dumbledore wanted it to work snape also knew he was doing it for the person he loved, lilly Evans
@Dooa Mahmood the dementors are sealed away in the ministry of magic
I read somewhere that they never reunited since Narcissa wasn’t about muggles marring wizards or witches. Even after her son marring a “mudblood”, she supported the situation ‘cause of Draco and the idea of family unity, but that’s it.
Sahara.V Draco married a pure blood witch named Astoria, actually
Sahara.V Astoria was a pure-blood witch.
I think in the last book they mentioned something about the dementors being locked away in the department of mysteries, but our guess is as good as any
I believe there is another reason Snapes' soul was safe. The curse on Dumbledores' hand was misery. Ending the misery that Dumbledore was going through was also a heartfelt act... To end his suffering. People in this kind of daily/hourly constant, unrelenting suffering tend to not talk much about it because no one wants to constantly hear it. Because of this, Dumbledore is just not the complaining type but Snape would understand this and know that by ending Dumbledores' life he would free him from it. It was also an act of compassion.
Not really how it works though, his soul didn't split because it wasn't murder. Using your logic if I murder person A that was abusing person B, I am showing person B compassion, but I have still commit murder and thus, my soul would split.
Voldemort basically did they same lol tortured people until they begged to die and then put them out of their misery.
@@alexc5369 but this is why it isn't murder. If it isn't murder but this answer doesn't explain why, then what is the reason Snape's soul was saved?
In real life, clearly things are different - mercy killings of humans is still murder becausewe are supposed to do everything possible to help them. The fact he was already dying doesm't matter - you are to try to extend their life as much as possible. Using this normal logic, one could also argue that it's still murder even if Snape knew someone else would do it if he didn't. The fact is that he took it upon himself to make Dumbledore die by his hand when Dumbledore wasn't threatening him. If you tell me to kill you, it's still murder in real life.
But in the Harry Potter universe, killing in this situation (a mercy killing) has a different effect on the soul as the consequences of murder don't apply.
Also Dumbledore lived another year to teach Harry thanks to Snape so Snape literally give another one year life to Dumbledore and saved him for a year.
What are your favourite spells everyone?
Mine are
1)NYYYYYEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
2)AAAVAAAAEDA KEEEDAURAAAAAA!!(DH 2 in the forest)
3)Exxxxxxxxx.....PErliAmoUS!(Used by Snape)
4)EXXXXXPECTOUU.. PATRONUm!!!
5)EEEYYAAAHH!!!!(the one that destroyed Hogwarts shield)
6)TAH! (OTP)
NYEEEEEEEEAH
austrian death machine would be proud
mine's definitely VADAAAAAAAA from Lucius Malfoy in movie 2 after Harry freed Dobby.
Everybody: AUUUUUUUUADA KEDAVRA
Me: lumos.
@@fetamean he said avada. And it always bugged me that's what the movie had him say because EVERYONE knows that lucius malfoy wouldn't have had the stones to kill harry. Especially at Hogwarts with Dumbledore right up the hall.
Nyeeeh was lit af I wish voldy used that "spell" more often
A reason I would use to support this arguement is to simply listen to Alan Rickman's delivery of the incantation when Severus kills Albus in the HBP movie. If you listen closely, you can hear a slight falter in Severus's tone as he pronounces the spell. Severus knew he had to go through with it but clearly had no ill will towards Albus in that moment.
Alan Rickman's delivery is just another thing these dreadful films got wrong. Not saying it is his fault but his version of Snape is basically far too sympathetic and far easier to read than in the books, which is because these films have to be understood by any moron who will buy a ticket. The way Snape behaves in this scene is very different in the book, where he looks at Dumbledore with his usual sneering expression and cold gaze before shouting "Avada Kadabra". It does not say he has tears in his fatherly eyes or a wobbly lip/trembling voice. But then, these films turned the best book in the series, Order of the Phoenix, in to a two hour, flat mess with a bit of flashing light at the end.
Incorrect, how he pronounced it means nothing at all. We go by the books. Snape really did mean/ intended to kill Dumbledore. His soul did not split, because it was not murder.
@@GhostRider-on6bz Well, allow me to assure you from my experience of watching the "Half-Blood Prince" with people not previously acquainted with the books (several times), and NONE of them interpreted he was a good guy, especially not at that moment of killing Dumbledore! Everyone would be just shocked and angry. "Far easier to read?" I believe you just allow your retrospective of having read the books to influence how you see that moment. And YES, on repeated views some details in Allan Rickman's acting are there to hint not all is as it seems. But they are small really, a split-second grimace, a note in the voice. "Dreadful", at least, should not be used regarding this part of the film. C'mon.
I don’t think that Snape’s soul was split when he killed Dumbledore. It wasn’t really murder because it was all part of their plan.
I think the same. Unless Snape thought of it all by himself, his soul finished intact.
agreed, if anything, it was assisted suicide / euthanasia type situation.
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Voldmourt soul split and got into Harry without he know !!.
It’s just their plan towards the greater good 😉
Snape killed Dumbledore, he didn't murder him
This is the question that I have thought of ever since First read the books- well done! Perfectly answered
Same!
@@prismroot_starlight8039 glad to know that I'm not the only one wondering this 😅
I doubt it since Snape would likely have felt remorse considering how hesitant he was to do it. If you think about it lots of the good guys killed people during the war. Molly Weasley is a perfect example of this. True she was fighting to protect her daughter but still killed intentionally. I feel she would have felt remorse later on in life even if she didn't at the time she killed her.
Molly killed Bellatrix out of love for her daughter, too. Not pure spite and murderous intent. She did it for love. So I agree with you
The real question is: if Snape had his doubts about killing Dumbledore due to the integrity of his soul, does it mean that he hadn't kill anybody previously? Cus, why to complain if you're split up already?
It is possible for someone to mend their soul after murdering someone. From what I recall hearing it is said to be painful.
@@Katarnis Which brings us to another question: did Snape know that his soul can be repared after a murder in case of serious contrition?
Hermione said that you can fix your soul after creating a horcrux but it would be painful if not cause death I think repairing your soul after just shattering it by killing someone would be much easier to repair then the situation with a horcrux
@@anthonydaniels2678 dumblore mentions to Harry in HBP that the way to mend it is by showing true remorse. - that is the painful part, try are not talking about physical pain but more emotional.
I get the feeling that he actually didn't kill anyone directly, which was probably rare among the death eaters. If he did, it is a strong possibility he felt real remorse, so his soul healed. However, even if he did kill, it still makes sense for him to be offended, because it would be like Dumbledoor saying that he's so damaged already, that it doesn't matter, which isn't true and is really hurtful to someone with a checkered past. The more you kill, the more your soul breaks. Plus if his already healed, he wouldn't want to break it again. I'm not even sure if Snape knew about murder's physical affects on the soul until Dumbledoor told him anyway. Regardless if someone knows about it or not, the affects will still be the same.
It could also be the fact that Snape killed Dumbledore out of love to stop him from suffering from the curse. Also as Snape had extended Dumbledores life it was not against nature for him to end it
I still can't get over this death. It broke my heart and remember where I was when I read about it!!
the page in my book, where he dies, has tear stains on it 😭😭
In a way, the fact that the killing curse works, makes that scene poetic. I always looked at it as the loophole is, Dumbledore was condemned to death through the curse of the ring. Snape also wanted to kill Dumbledore because the curse from the ring was likely highly more painful & drawn out. It's like Ol' Yeller, & getting rabies. Snape had to convince himself that putting Dumbledore out of his misery was better than a long drawn-out death. In-turn, Snape wanted Dumbledore to die, in the least painful way. Albus even said "Severus, please" (put me down, I've accepted it) to help encourage Snape that it was OK & for the Greater Good. The curse from the ring was long & painful. The Killing curse was "quicker than falling asleep"
Fantastic theory Dean! Only difference I would have said that even though Snape used the killing curse on dumbledore, it may not have necessarily killed dumbledore had Snape used avada kedavra in another part of the castle but given dumbledores age, the fact that he was wandless and that the curse packs a punch anyway, it could be possible that it was actually the fall that killed dumbledore rather than the curse because the astronomy tower is the highest tower at Hogwarts. That would keep up appearances with the death eaters and spare Snape's soul
Yes, I felt that because of those reasons Snape was able to do the spell successfully but his soul be intact too. I always assumed his soul was intact & moved on to heaven, hopefully to find the happiness he didn't have in life. Also even if he thought there was a chance Dumbledore didn't have to die & he could find another way to convince Voldemort, once Dumbledore was dying anyway then he would be like many people watching a loved one die a slow death from disease. By going through with the plan for Dumbledore to die at a set time, he did what he needed to keep the plan on track, but he also kept the man he had grown to respect from suffering a slow painful death. Despite Snape's faults, the only people that he truly wanted to suffer horrible physical pain were those responsible for Lily's death. (He did still have bad feelings towards those that teased him in school, but he wanted emotional vengeance on them, not physical torture.) He wasn't indifferent to the idea of Dumbledore in physical pain or losing respect from being seen as too old & sick, no longer one of the best. He helped Dumbledore "go out in a blaze of glory", & did it in a way that kept secret his own equally hard part of the battle against Voldemort until the moment he was dying too. Even when he revealed the truth of Dumbledore's plan he did it only to Harry, so he could know the very last info he needed to defeat Voldemort, that Harry definitely was a horcrux too & would have to willingly face death. He let everyone think he had betrayed & murdered Dumbledore, knowing he would then be hated forever for it by everyone other than Voldemort & the Death Eaters.
Snape was seriously a fantastic double agent, even though his reasons for doing it were personal instead of just to stop evil from winning.
I think you nailed down quite effectively. One thing that I was thinking when I saw the title of the video was that Snape wasn't killing Dumbledore out of anger or rage, but out of love for him and the students at Hogwarts. I believe Snape loved Dumbledore as a mentor and as a friend. Like you pointed out, they planned Dumbledore's death because he was dying anyways and Snape had tried everything he could go save him, but in the end even Snape's vast knowledge of potions and probably some grey area magics weren't going to be enough. I think the trust and the respect they had for each other also helped to save Snape's soul.
*I actually have a different theory. Like you've said, 'Avada Kedavra' (the killing curse) kills someone instantly. I have been confused about Dumbledore's death for a while now because... That's not what happened. He wás hit with the killing curse but when he fell... He wasn't dead. There was consciousness still while falling. That's not how the curse works unless.... You don't mean it and thus the effect not being quite the same just like when Harry hit Bellatrix with the Cruciatus curse. A milder variant was casted. A múch milder variant which turned out to not be effective in the end. I feel that thát is what happened to Dumbledore which would make a lot of sense because of the consciousness thing but also because of Snape's soul remaining intact. How did Dumbledore meet his end then? Logically due to physics. That fall WAS ONE BIG ASS FALL. Nobody would survive anything like that. No wizard no muggle. I feel like this combined with the intention part as well which you have discussed, would cover it all.*
That was just in the movie.
@@sobiaasif589 Yeah but it is well-known that the books and the films are 2 different versions of the story.
Tbh that could be true...
yes the positioning was genius because even if snape didnt mean it it gave dumbledore just the right push anyway so he would fall to his death anyway.
In the movies it doesnt seem to kill instantly. The spider wavers and flails a bit.Diggory isnt dead until he hits the ground. Sirius falls slowly through the portal with his eyes blinking--i know bellatrix doesnt say the killing curse but it is a green strike that kills Sirius--it was the killing curse. Heck even the strike that kills Lily Potter she is like wincing before falling dead. I think it is dramatic license the movies take but that makes each use unique.
Before I watch the video I'm going to say no it didn't split his soul. For two reasons 1 Snape was loyal to Dumbledore and Dumbledore told him that the curse that was on him was going to kill him slowly and painfully and and to kill him before the curse did would have been a service to Dumbledore and would be a mercy kill. 2 Snape killing Dumbledore was in the service of a greater good. It cemented his place with Voldemort which ultimately lead to the defeat of Voldemort, Voldemort got his confirmation on Snape and now from within, the victory was assured. In short, no because it served a pure purpose from intention and love point if view
I believe his soul remained in tact simply because he at the core of his being, he was a good person. We all make mistakes, some bigger than others, some with more detrimental consequences. As J.K. Rowling herself said, Snape is a "gray" character, but every day that passes we make choices that shape who we truly are. Snape could have abandoned everything at any time, both before and after the agreement with Narcissa. I don't believe that he wanted to kill Dumbledore, and I believe in some way he was his only true friend and ally. Snape may have caused a lot of damage in his life, but he also went through a lot of pain and grief. I am definitely a Snape fan, but I can't put aside the things he might have done as a DE. I think all of the DEs killed people, but then again, Snape may have been able to lie to Voldemort about that as well (I certainly hope so).
Snape didn't want to do it. But he knew that he has to.
Any chance dumbledore just fell of the tower to help it along
I'm just imagining Dumbledore going "Goodbye Severus" then throwing himself off the tower to his death.
If it wasn't for that killing curse, Dumbledore would have fallen to his death
Suicide by Snape..... He knew he was dying a slow painful death. Telling Severus to end his misery, and Severus did. Tragic but plans within plans came to fruition.
Wow man like out of the million youtubers on here even if someone said your content sucked your sincerity sounds for for real you are by far the kindest soul on RUclips like unrivaled
(Note: This comment was made before watching past the introduction mark at 1:16. I wanted to give my thoughts on the matter before they were influenced by the video)
It didn't split his soul because it was assisted suicide from an incurable condition to prevent further suffering, not murder.
As to how he was able to cast it if his heart wasn't in it?
His heart was in it, just not directly. He didn't truly WANT to kill Dumbledore, but he desperately wanted to stop Voldemort. He NEEDED to protect the son of Lilly Evans. He desired to ease the suffering of a friend and mentor. And while he didn't want to kill Dumbledore, the fact that those three goals each made killing Dumbledore necessary meant that he needed to kill Dumbledore even if he didn't want to. So, Avada Kedavera worked for him.
“You alone know if it will harm your soul to save an old man from pain and humiliation”
First: no, he knew it was a mercy.
Second: murder, not killing (self defence, accidents and so on. Can be deadly) splits the soul
Third: the soul wants to stay together, so even if a murder happens the split usually only is temporary, probably leaving a "scar" unless you use the horcrux ritual. Exeption of this rule was voldemort because his soul was weakend.
Yep all murder is killing but not all killing is murder
He showed remorse when he was in the Order’s headquarters and took part of Lily’s letter. I really enjoy listening to you!
Can you do stuff about Aberforth Dumbledore
"Let's get straight into the video!"
*proceeds to play a 13 second into*
Without Snape's intervention, Dumbledore would've died from the cursed ring. Snape ending Dumbledore's life was almost like balancing nature, in a way.
Thank you for covering both these topics. I've wondered about them myself.
Snape killed Dumbledore because he wanted him to. Dumbledore said that killing him will taint Draco's soul. Therefore, Snape , being a former death eater must have killed someone before. Even if he got away without killing people,snape would need an object to cast his soul into.
And what about Bellatrix Lestrange, she must have killed more people than Snape (if he killed people as a former Death Eater).There is also a good chance, I think, that Bellatrix has also used the Crusiatus Curse.
@@thatambitiousslytherin2488 bellatrix definitely used the cruciatous course becuase she tortured nevilles parents into insanity
I dont believe Snape directly killed anyone prior to Dumbledore because he was worried about his soul.
@@ameliashephard2876 good point.
@@midnightmoon9511 Ow, sorry my mistake I meant the Killing Curse
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Remorse he felt massive remorse in killing him ,so if preforming the killing curse did split his soul the remorse of him doing so would fix it or maybe would prevent it from splitting because Snape was remorseful from the start 🤷♂️ I love this channel keep up the good work buddy,I can’t wait to see the riddle story ✌️💚🤘
totally agree!
The books talk about remorse, the movies left that part out.
Love your videos SOOOOOOO much dean!
When minerva and snape dueled in the great hall snape diverted mierva's attacks and killed the two death eaters in the back ground. So my question is who technically killed them and did their souls get split
@John Doe I agree, for example I definetly do not believe that Molly's soul was split after killing Bellatrix
However, watching the duel between Snape and Mcgonagall I never thought that the Carrows behind him died, I always assumed they just fell unconscious
I loved your explanation, it makes a lot of sense! And a truly love your videos and specially your accent
This again makes me wonder though how killing in self-defense/in the heat of battle relates to the potential splitting of the soul for a Wizard
Amazing video as always. I had wondered about this topic and you make it so clear to me now. Thanks!
YESSS YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW HAPPY I AM ABOUT THIS
I WAS JUST GOOGLING THIS AND COULDNT FIND AN ANSWER
thankyou
Alan Rickman was the perfect choice for Snape even though he wasn't a villain in a certain point of view
Rickman played a couple of my favorite villains, Hans Gruber in Die Hard and the sherif from Robin Hood prince of thieves
I can't remember what other movies he's been in
I cried so hard when Dumbledore died, In book and movie. Like I have tears on the page and I had to wipe it.
My parents thought I just had nightmares or something.
Super impressed by this explanation. Very well done!
I think that after Snape warned Dumbledore about Voldemort going after Lily, Snape might've made an Unbreakable Vow to stay loyal to Dumbledore and protect Harry. Dumbledore would've made him do this to guarantee that he wouldn't change sides. And he would make him protect Harry not only because Harry was the main target, but because Snape was so dismissive about protecting anyone other than Lily anyway.
I don't think so, because I believe from the prince tale in the 4 book, Dumbledore asked him if he will join to ex death eater to hide from Voldemort, Snape replied " I'm not such coward" !!
snape was not dismissive about protecting harry yes he was a bit dismissive at first but at the next second he willingly accepted it but don't want anyone to know it as harry was not only lily's son but also james who was his bully in school. dumbledore would not do a deadly bound as unbreakable vow with severus let alone anyone, he wanted severus to be loyal at his willingness not by any magical contract.
I just wanted to say, I love the new logo! Great work as always.
I don’t think so, but why did Snape stop Harry from fighting?
Because he knew that elder wand story!
Because the whole point was to keep Harry alive at the last moment.
Also Snape was protecting harry, if belletrix or other death eaters seen this his cover would have been blown. And all would have been for nothing.
In the book Harry was under the cloak of invisibility and Dumbledore stunned him, so Harry couldn't move. Snape never stopped him in the book.
HansDieter Wurst really? I need to re-read the books
To protect him
I think what happened is that in the same way that Harry only knocked Bella down when he used CRUCIO. So dumbledore pretended he was killed by the AVADA to trick the death eaters, when really he took too much fall damage from falling off the tower
Snape also never forgave dumbledore for letting lilly potter die.
It was not Dumbledore's fault that Lilly died, so Snape would not have hated him for that. With the fidelius charm in place, it was ultimately Peter Pettigrew's fault that the potters died.
I still remember reading about Professor Snape Killing Dumbledore July 2009 when
Harry Potter and the half blood prince was released . My head understood
the plan but my heart weeped and weeped . I was so upset I had to
backup in the story many chapters when things were happier and reread
that chapter that night so I could go to sleep.
Early!
Remorse repairs the split up of the soul. Harry tried to get Voldemort to feel remorse to negate any Horcruxes made by splitting the soul that they may have missed so that he can be killed.
When the basilisks fang penetrated Harry’s skin, why didnt the Voldemort soul get destroyed.
Good question
The vessel has to be damaged beyond repair so Harry would have to die for the Horcrux to be destroyed
Killing alone doesn’t split the soul, it only causes damage. The Horcrux spell/ritual then takes advantage of that weakness to actually split the soul.
Here's another way to rationalize it. Snape's curse didn't actually kill Dumbledore. It only provided enough force to push him off the tower. It was the fall that actually killed him. This way, Snape didn't want to kill him, though, to the Death Eaters, it looked like he did. The reason the unbreakble vow didn't kill Snape is because when the vow was made, it was never said that the murder had to be done with the killing curse. Dumbledore still died because of what Snape did, but because it wasn't magic that killed him, his soul was not split.
(EDIT): Also, if you watch Dumbledore's death scene, you can see a brief flicker of hesitation in Snape's eyes as he casts the curse. And also, If you watch closely during the shot where Dumbledore is falling, you can see his eyes begin to close, which wouldn't happen if it was the curse that killed him. (example: Cedric, whose eyes remained wide open.)
I totally agree with your assessment of Dumbledore death. #1 He ask Professor Snape to end his life, #2 he saved Malfoy from ruining his life, #3 he had the unbreakable vow, #4 he saved Harry from certain death, #5 he instill his loyalty to Lord Voltimore, #6 he also kept his word to Professor Dumbledore.
Great Job & God Bless
first to say second
Not only are your videos awesome cuz the breakdowns are so good. But that Irish accent certainly brightens em all up.
Also, Snape prolonged Dumbledore's life by slowing the progression of the curse that was killing him.
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My mind's blown! Thanks for the information!
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Snape's having lunch with Lily then getting teased by Sirius, Lupin and James in the afterlife
Two lines popped into my mind from a lyric: "My heart can't possibly break
When it wasn't even whole to start with"
I think that sums up Snape's mental and spiritual state since his childhood.
Because Dumbledore understood "for the greater good" better than Grindlewald. Even he wasn't above it all and willing to die to save it all.
I wonder if he'll use that line against Grindlewald when the fantastic beasts movie finally get to their duel. I do hope they bring Depp back.
100000000000% props for chilling on the ads lately.
Love this video! I’d be interested to hear more about curses invented by Snape such as sectumsempra and how they play out being more of a grey area.
Also, sort of related, but the reason for harry’s potion only working with the half-blood prince’s amendments - is this to do with Fudge/Dolores Umbridge trying to make the wizarding cirriculum less practical-based and her influence is still felt 2 books later? Reaching I know haha
Great work as always!!
Loving the new intro mate.
Please never stop making these videos.
Interasting as usual
and what i didn't even think when i first heard books and saw the movies
Keep up the good work. This just doesn't get old :3
I love the knew intro
One of your best brother, keep up the great work!! An aussie wizard
I live the logo at the beginning!
And this I recall when snape showed the silver dough patroness somewhere between those scenes where they had the conversation dumbledore says I never should have revealed the best in you s Severus.
You explained it PERFECTLY!!!
Could also be the fact that Snape was remorseful after he killed Dumbledore. We know that Remorse can heal the soul. Stated as such in Book 7.
Love your new intro!!!
Great video mate!
I love the new channel's logo
Very good explanation
Ima just put this here. Snape was a badass mother fucker. He had full and absolute control over himself. If he needed to kill someone for the greater good he would make himslf hate them and truly want them to for the greater good.
I liked your analysis very much especially regarding the true meaning of for the greater good for Dumbledore. A real sacrifice out of love for others instead of sacrificing others for personal interest. I like to think it gives a certain peace to Dumbledore. He truly became an extraordinary man, not for his achievements but for his heart
Interesting theory. I always had the impression that although killing was part of splitting the soul, you still had to do other things while creating a horcux that resulted in your soul being split. It wasn't just killing that splits the soul. If all you had to do was kill someone or something to split your soul then there is a bunch of wizards and witches walking around with split souls. Does that mean that Barty Crouch Jr. split his soul when he killed the spider to demonstrate the curse? I don't think so. Or what about all of the accidental deaths and killings that magic has caused over the years? I don't think those events would split a person's soul.
And what about the people who fought in battles? Molly Weasley hasn’t got a split soul has she?
Murder as apossed to just killing.
Kind of reminds me of A ,line that John coffe said in the green mile "he killed them with their love, Everyday someone kills sombody with their love." Then John coffe States ." I'm tired boss. Tired of people being ugly to each other, and tired of people being killed with their love. It's like pieces of glass in my head. "If you watch the movie ,it is very very impactful, and it's also based off a book ,that Stephen King wrote. So what I'm trying to say is ,snape killed dumbledore out of love . The green mile is a movie with Tom Hanks in it . And Tom Hanks's character did not want to kill John even though John had already been sentenced to die by a jury of his peers accused of something he didn't do. And there's a point in that movie. Where Tom Hanks' character asks John, 'when I stand before God , on my day of judgment, And, am asked, Why I killed one of his greatest creations ?what am I supposed to say ,it was my job!" To which John replies 'it wasn't the job you had to do, it was the kindness that you gave"., And i my self am going to add. And the understanding and sympathy that you gave. To a man that was always considered guilty just because John coffe was a rather large black man in the south I think this story takes place in the 1920's or 1930's in the state of Georgia .Was still a very dark time in the US past .with segregation .and any homeless black person was considered a threat .just because the color of their skin, even if they were totally innocent ,and John coffe had a special gift. he could heal and see things as they're happening they're happening in other words he was psychic he was both a talipath and a Clarvoient and a healer. And any white people at this time, would think it was evil voodoo ,or something like that. When it really wasn't they were special gifts from God. How that applies to dumbledore however he was gonna die anyway because of the curse from the gaunt ring So in many ways snape was doing dumbledore a favor now whether it was out of love or kindness I don't know but I think it's both.
The intro of this channel is so cool :0
Thanks for this!!
Up until the moment he actually says the spel I thought: " Snape come quickly and do something ! Save him, fight the Death-Eaters, anything!" When he said shhhhhhhhhh to Harry I thought "Finally!" Had a great feeling of relief. Then....... "W-what.....?!" Till the very end of the movie I was hoping D would wake up somehow.
yep, when Snape killed Dumbedore, he didn't do it out of malice....as Bellatrix told Harry, you have to mean it.....also in the Deathly Hallows book Hermione said you need regret to fuse the pieces back together....killing someone does not mean your soul splits...you have to do it out of malice or anger....but with great regret the soul is healed
I think when Snape was a Deatheater he truly believed in Voldemort and Voldemort knew it. I think he must have killed before for Voldemort to trust him and believe him as much as he did. This means Snape's soul was already damaged in some way and snape probably believing that having not used the killing curse itself that might not be the case. This is why Snape asked Dumbledore about his soul.
If using a killing curse to end someone life premature is a crime against nature and splits your soul, what about less direct magical ways to kill someone? Set them on fire, levitate them above a large drop and then let go, transmutate their blood, etc, etc. And what about people who use magic to extend life past their natural time by things such as the Philosopher's Stone?
it was a mercy killing severus was also protecting malfoy's soul from killing. Dumbledore knew murdering him would destroy Draco Malfoy (another way to get back at Lucius for failing HWMNBN multiple times)
The reason the students wouldn’t be able to get more than a nose bleed from attempting the imperious curse on Moody is because regardless of whether or not their true intent may have been to kill him, their wand would still only be pointing at Barty Crouch Jr.
Great video. Dean.