Big shout out to Jay Taylor for helping with this project and having the patience to finish this build. While this video is 10 minutes in length, he was at it for a solid 4 hours. So many thanks Jay! Finally, for anyone interested (after the weigh in), the Trifox X10 frame size is a medium 54.5 top tube. Cheers, Cam
0:32 that cheap blue grease is lithium based not clay. You absorb chemicals through your skin... I don't know about you, but I eat with my hands 3 times a day. Try spilling some diesel on your hands and then try to eat...for 3 days you'll still smell it. Even if that grease is odorless the chemicals don't just wash off easily, it takes weeks
I have essentially the same build Trifox (X10, Sensah, Elitewheels). My build process was smoother without some of these nagging issues like fork and seatpost, albeit I used different bars. Put a little over 1000km on the frame and haven't had any real issues with it yet. What's evident from the various reviews that are either positive or negative is that Trifox really needs to get their QC under control.
Interesting to see. I just finished building up an elves frame with their handlebar. And I have to say, it was the total opposite. No Issues at all, everything was in perfect condition and went super smooth. So looking forward to your elves build now!
Hi Sam, I'm looking forward to building the ELVES as the quality looks to be the complete opposite and built with love. I think it deserves a better group set?
@@taylorcycles1931 Yes, it really is the complete opposite. The quality is outstanding and the painting is great. Oh and they have a really nice support team too. I put a SRAM Force AXS onto it. And I think that`s the least what that frame deserves. :D
@@ronb9901 I already built 4 winspace bikes. They are simply perfect as well. So you won`t do anything wrong with either of them. ;) I don`t know about the riding quality of the Elves yet though, because it`s winter here and I don`t wanna waste a completely new bike. :) I bought the Elves frame primarely because you can chose your own colorway completely and the painting looks super nice. What I can say about the winspace(s): it`s great! They do ride at least similar or even better then any high end western brand. I have an SLC2.0 and a T1500 as my main bikes at the moment and I love both of them! The SLC (rim brake, about 6.3Kg) is an awesome climber and decents like a rocket. The T1500 (disc brake, 7.3Kg) looks super awesome and rides superb too. I already did around 10`000 km on those roadbikes and had no issues, nothing, no creaking, no faults, they just work. Since I bought my first winspace, I am done with any western brand to be honest. First, because I love building bikes and second, because it doesn`t make sense anymore to spend a lot of money just to have a known logo on your frame. :D I hope that helps a bit. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. :D
I am a little confused about the complaint about the cable routing through the frame. I see he has the rear gear cable run through the right hole in the downtube (and the front on the left). But I run them the opposite way, with the rear going the the left hole and vise versa, so the housing does not rub against the headtube. I know you can stick helicopter tape on the headtube to prevent the housing from abrading the paint, but I would rather run the housing to the opposite side and not have them rub the tube at all. Plus it makes for a smoother bend of the housing from the handlebar. Also, I would use cable liner on the cables running under the bottom bracket to prevent them from rubbing on the bare carbon, so I would not consider that a legitimate complaint either.
All 3 cable grommets were for gear cables, the brake/disc grommet should have had a lager hole for the full length cable. Also the runner for the rear brake was pre run into the front derailleur lines.
@@taylorcycles1931 I watched Hambini's Trifox review from a year ago, and now see the ports on the left side so I understand the problem now. Thank you. I wonder if he was sent a curated example for review, because he was rather impressed, given the cost. His was a different model, though. Regardless, since your example had faults, Trifox may not have good quality control over their production.
I have to say Cam,i had a Trifox x10 and yes it did have minor issues but i fitted e-tap and hypers so it rode well to be honest...BUT .....i have now purchased a Elves Falath and my bike builder has absolutely RAVED about it saying its better that all the big brands he has built before! The paintwork on the Elves is second to none and the fit and finish is amazing.
Never had any of these problems with my f12 aliexpress build running on boty wheels & sram red mech. Everything fitted perfectly and the bike solid 18 month and 4k later.
well, I've been following Hambini & oz_cycle for years. I think I'll trust their opinions a lot more than a mechanic that puts together a carbon bike with a hammer.
Let’s not forget Gary from Carbon Steed was quite critical of the Trifox. Did both Oz Cycle and Hambini buy the frames or were they given them? I don’t know myself.
Exactly the handlebar issue could've been worked around with a little sandpaper, but instead the man just whacked the body of the stem with a mallet. Not really confidence inspiring
@@borano2031 Your missing the point, I would never and never use a rubber mallet on bike build! The quality was so bad i would not have built this bike up for a customer.
I bought and built a Trifox X18. Had similar issues. Saddle clamp didn't even work (had to buy trek one that fit). It does not ride well. It has flex in the bottom bracket and lateral flex in the fork and rear dropouts so it does wonky stuff in turns (not confidence inspiring... can't crit or road race a bike like that). Pissed because I have like $2K US invested and I probably can't sell it, maybe should just part it out and eat the loss. Bought a used tarmac SL6 for $2750 and that is an awesome crit bike.
As you say its certainly not a cheap build a sheet of wet and dry would sort out the roughness on the fork tube i would rather a tight fit than sloppy fitting however lets see the finished bike and your experience with the ride thanks Cam.
Having built an X10 and and X16 I can report on the following facts: the X16 had some paint overrun on the front drop outs (fixed with a bit of sandpaper). The X10 had tight clearance of the brake and shifter cable around the bottom bracket (fixed with a file). So how does the X10 ride? Follow up video please 🙂
I had my x16 built up with only very minor issues such as rim bike caliper fit tight and head set bearing fit tight to frame as you captured in your video. The seat post on mine fits perfectly and doesn’t have plays when it is toques up. Otherwise, it has ridden nicely and feels stiff in fast bunch rides. It seams like the seat post was rotating a lot side to side for your particular model was before it was tightened up? I think you can confirm that😊. Anyways, I am excited to see you make another video for first ride/impression!
Gonna watch the entire video later but just wanna say that I built 3 cheap road bikes around the similar price point and they are insane!!! I will never buy a bike for more than 3000 euro again!
This is a pretty similar experience I had with the X16, except I bought handlebars from Toseek, my first bike build, didnt know what to expect, it was ok overall, love these video!
I've had two pairs of Toseek carbon bars, on two bikes. The first bike was a roadie only. The second pair I put on a steel frame that had wide tyre clearance. And I would ride it off road with my 2 year old in a baby rucksack. The bars cracked, but, they're probably not designed for that kind of abuse. Daughter is 4 now, and I switched to alloy bars after the crack. I think the crack was due to my abuse. The first road bike and bars, and application used for, definitely good bars for the price
They are hit or miss. QC isn’t consistent but most companies are excited to hear about your product. “Hey the seat post and fork are giving me issues” usually will get you freely shipped product under warranty every time
I undestand the frame is cheap,what do want for 600 dollars,he is not making things look good for him either.Use the hammer,that will fix things.There is a product out there called sand paper,he could have used it around the fork and handle bars.I going to stop watching the video here.I get the message,go and buy yourself a 5000 dollar plus frame and you will not need the sand paper.That's what you think - i have build very expensive bike,at time you do not only need the sand paper,You have to send the frame back to the Mfg.Ciao from Italy.
Chinese brands i trust: Winspace, Yoeleo, Icann Chinese brands that seem interesting: Elves Chinese brands that are a gamble: probably everything else.
If anyone looking for a affordable fully build "UCI Approved" carbon aero race bike. You can consider "Java Fuoco J-AIR" (2021). The specs are pretty good for the price of just $1200 USD. - Full Carbon bike inlcude wheels / Handlebar . - Aero frame / Handlebar . - Fully integrated cables . - 50mm loud hub aero wheels. - Shimano 105 . - UCI Approved . You can see the bike on my channel. That video equipped with Sram Red but thats for racer, you can get the normal version with Shimano 105 for $1200 USD. This bike also ridden by a spanish pro team called JAVA KIWI ATLANTICO.
I can't believe the prices of old top of the line rim brake bikes on Facebook marketplace. I just bought an S works sl3 with full dura ace and then a set of Reynolds arX carbon wheels all up spent 1800 bucks. Bike is stiff as a rock and 6.8kg.
Built up 2 sets of X8, had the same issues with my headset bearings, felt real sketchy installing the bb, had to sand away the paint to get the brakes and wheels to be installed
Yes, I may stick them on the Elves when it arrives. Out of the box I was quite impressed but would like to ride them for a while before making any serious opinion based claims.
I believe this is my new go to bike build video when invariably I come to that WTF moment while tackling the never ending N+1 project. We’ll done on the production as always Cam!
Thank you for making an honest video about these frames. Seems like all the other cycling youtubers are saying great things about TriFox but Ive always expected that they were paid in some way to give there positive reviews. Keep up the great work!
the same with me. I bought a Trifox X18 frame after finding only positive reviews on RUclips. I had several massive defects in the frame that could only be remedied with a great deal of time and money. I've been discussing with the Trifox customer service for months without any result. Instead of a good valued frame, I received a very expensive piece of crap.
@@MegaXtc11 nice to know some people are having good experience with this brand. I guess it comes down to their quality control. Hopefully they can fix these issues moving forward. As a community we need to raise our voices when we have problems with these frames and get the word out!
Love the content Cam! Maybe Luke (Trace Velo) could be brought in as a consultant? Definitely appears that some “Adjusting” needs to be done. Hopefully someone from Trifox can provide some advice for using their “Product”.
Afgelopen winter heb ik een trifox frame opgebouwd en dit is zo bekend. Er zitten best een hoop design fouten in en de kwaliteit is op zn best matig te noemen. Hij zal wel niet breken, daar ben ik niet zo bang voor maar je plezier word snel verziekt door het gekraak en het opbouwen was een gevecht tot het bittere einde, wat een kutframe !!
They're not faults, they're tight tolerances. It's very possible that the issue is with the handlebars and not the steerer, for example. Which is essentially the main issue there. Either way some sand paper would shave down a hair and Bob's your uncle. Sorry, the seat post flex is an issue. Not sure about that one.
@@pierrex3226 if that bike turned up at my house with those problems , it would soon be going back. The mechanic mentioned about the cables rubbing and possibly breaking if not dealt with is in my opinion a fault.
I am not unfortunately. Been swapping too many bikes around this year to make it work. I'll be back on them in 2023! My hip flexors are hating me right now.
wouldn't he want to sand those tight areas down? forcing the parts in would create stress areas, I mean there should be some give but i assume it could lead to cracking.
One thing I have noticed is all of the Chinese manufacturers have one thing in common. Cheesy names for their bikes. If you want to be taken seriously you don't call your creation Trifox.
If you look at many western brand names without the benefit of their history, you could probably say the same thing. E.g. Specialized - if they didn’t exist and a Chinese company came up with the name, we’d all take the piss.
Problem with manufacturing in China is often quality control. That's why you see special "review" unit that are handpicked sent to @Hambini & the like and they are always flawless. You will also see in this comments people swear that they got one and it was "perfect". The only mistake you did here was paying for it.
It proves that if you think you can pull one out of the box and just put it together, you're not going to be able to do that. But just how serious the issues are isn't clear since nothing was measured, e.g., was the headset tight because a little bit was sticking out that needed to be sanded off or was it tight because it was too small all around.
For the sake of your health, I highly recommend wearing latex gloves when working on bikes or anything else for that matter. EVERYTHING that you put on your skin (like carbon paste) gets absorbed into your bloodstream and then has to be filtered-out by your liver... if it can. A little bit of prevention now just might keep you from getting cancer or some other strange illness later in life. 👍
I have a chinese carbon Road Bike, called Pinewood future pro it so stiff AF, it is 4 years old already and my friend have Pinarello it only last 3 years, have a damage and crack under the bottom bracket.
It seems that your treatment towards this brand is unprofessional, because it’s not a well known eastern brand like Seka , Yoeleo, Winspace, etc. I have friends that have this exact frame and have no issues with it , and didn’t treat it in the way you guys are treating it in the build process. I’ve seen many times even in western brands that parts of the frame were not finished properly, the fact is carbon frames are made in China and in Taiwan “about 97% are .” Fact the biggest brand Giant is an eastern brand not a western brand like the big three Trek, Specialized, Cannonade. Giant for “FACT” makes Specialized and other well known brands. Guess who makes Cervelo? ,,,,,,, Elves an eastern brand makes Cervelo frames for world tour teams, but they don’t want you to know this but it’s “FACT”,. They just don’t want people to know the big secret. Essentially we all are riding Chinese, or Tawain made carbon bikes …………. I know for a fact you would not treat other more known brands this way.
Most people that live in the world of big brands don't want to know the ugly truth, that is a FACT 😂. I have this frame for 2 years now with Sensah Empire and Juintech F1 brake, Elite lightweight , no problem and i have above 10k km, so.....
Cam, you need to provide some costings here. It might have been cheap to buy, but 4 hours for a mechanic + a bunch of new bits, is going to add $450AU at least (googling mechanic current hourly rates). What you going to do with it? 5,000km and see how much it costs you to keep it running. Provide a true cost for everyone - in other words are you better off just buying better quality because it doesn't bend/break?
I guess take away is it's still better to shop second hand like damn 2000+USD is still a lot of money for a bike and that's coming from the owner of a Giant TCR Advanced lol. I mean, I'm definitely stretching that mark with my bike (I've basically gone full AliExpress besides the frame, the finishing kit and the Shimano Tiagra cranks), but when I was a kid I thought spending over 1000$ on a bike was bonkers but then again back then you could buy a carbon tcr with 5800 105 for like a little over 1000$.
@@invisiblescout6335 True was going to get the avari at first but a TCR came at an even cheaper price Edit: The TCR was 2nd hand but it looked brand new when I checked it so I took it though it's a 2012 model
This us going to be beyond interesting. Gives new meaning to "Cheap Chinese Bike". The frame is absolute garbage. Can't wait to see what happens with the Elves
As someone who has done a fair bit of work on AliExpress/cheaper stuff from asia, this coulda assembled a bit better with more prep/sanding and research. Hope the mallet on the handlebars/other parts doesn’t break over time
Some significant design tolerance and design routing issues highlighted! From reading the comments it sounds like the manufacturing output is inconsistent and suffers from a lack of proper qc. For the money though, is it worth it? You will have to ride it, race it and get some significant distance on it to find out. 👍
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Big shout out to Jay Taylor for helping with this project and having the patience to finish this build. While this video is 10 minutes in length, he was at it for a solid 4 hours. So many thanks Jay! Finally, for anyone interested (after the weigh in), the Trifox X10 frame size is a medium 54.5 top tube. Cheers, Cam
He was biased all the way through.
New store right next to the Prince of Wales XXXX pub! 🤣
Maybe post the entire build video as well? Always nice to see proper bike build videos!
0:32 that cheap blue grease is lithium based not clay. You absorb chemicals through your skin...
I don't know about you, but I eat with my hands 3 times a day. Try spilling some diesel on your hands and then try to eat...for 3 days you'll still smell it. Even if that grease is odorless the chemicals don't just wash off easily, it takes weeks
Most entertaining bike build I’ve ever seen 😂
When the music starts as he's struggling with the front end...
I have essentially the same build Trifox (X10, Sensah, Elitewheels).
My build process was smoother without some of these nagging issues like fork and seatpost, albeit I used different bars.
Put a little over 1000km on the frame and haven't had any real issues with it yet.
What's evident from the various reviews that are either positive or negative is that Trifox really needs to get their QC under control.
Cognitive bias ask the way through.
@@DavidSmith-hz3jg Or a shill account.
@@DavidSmith-hz3jg That's literally what he says... Trifox gives you either Shit or Acceptable... Bottom-line is, it's a gamble
I seriously love build videos like this! Bang up job on the bike, can’t wait to see some more content with you riding it.
"There´s a lip here".. BANG! Malletblow!! Could sell that mechanic one of my round files and some emery paper. Rgr
Interesting to see. I just finished building up an elves frame with their handlebar. And I have to say, it was the total opposite. No Issues at all, everything was in perfect condition and went super smooth. So looking forward to your elves build now!
Hi Sam, I'm looking forward to building the ELVES as the quality looks to be the complete opposite and built with love. I think it deserves a better group set?
@@taylorcycles1931 Yes, it really is the complete opposite. The quality is outstanding and the painting is great. Oh and they have a really nice support team too. I put a SRAM Force AXS onto it. And I think that`s the least what that frame deserves. :D
Good to hear, I’m down to the elves & Winspace. Your thoughts??
@@ronb9901 I already built 4 winspace bikes. They are simply perfect as well. So you won`t do anything wrong with either of them. ;) I don`t know about the riding quality of the Elves yet though, because it`s winter here and I don`t wanna waste a completely new bike. :) I bought the Elves frame primarely because you can chose your own colorway completely and the painting looks super nice. What I can say about the winspace(s): it`s great! They do ride at least similar or even better then any high end western brand. I have an SLC2.0 and a T1500 as my main bikes at the moment and I love both of them! The SLC (rim brake, about 6.3Kg) is an awesome climber and decents like a rocket. The T1500 (disc brake, 7.3Kg) looks super awesome and rides superb too. I already did around 10`000 km on those roadbikes and had no issues, nothing, no creaking, no faults, they just work. Since I bought my first winspace, I am done with any western brand to be honest. First, because I love building bikes and second, because it doesn`t make sense anymore to spend a lot of money just to have a known logo on your frame. :D I hope that helps a bit. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. :D
@@samueltrumpy4433 thanks so much for the info!!
Awaiting for Hambini to chime in 🤣
I am sure there will be many with their binoculars out for this one Patrick!
The pen will be working.
Hambini did a review of this frameset a year ago, but it was sent by the manufacturer for review:
ruclips.net/video/8P8UyYX-t-o/видео.html
Haahah this is by far the best and most hilarious piece of bike build I have ever seen. Keep it up Cam/Jay!
I am a little confused about the complaint about the cable routing through the frame. I see he has the rear gear cable run through the right hole in the downtube (and the front on the left). But I run them the opposite way, with the rear going the the left hole and vise versa, so the housing does not rub against the headtube. I know you can stick helicopter tape on the headtube to prevent the housing from abrading the paint, but I would rather run the housing to the opposite side and not have them rub the tube at all. Plus it makes for a smoother bend of the housing from the handlebar. Also, I would use cable liner on the cables running under the bottom bracket to prevent them from rubbing on the bare carbon, so I would not consider that a legitimate complaint either.
All 3 cable grommets were for gear cables, the brake/disc grommet should have had a lager hole for the full length cable. Also the runner for the rear brake was pre run into the front derailleur lines.
@@taylorcycles1931 I watched Hambini's Trifox review from a year ago, and now see the ports on the left side so I understand the problem now. Thank you. I wonder if he was sent a curated example for review, because he was rather impressed, given the cost. His was a different model, though. Regardless, since your example had faults, Trifox may not have good quality control over their production.
Great work as ever...my new favourite bike double-act
Great video! I have a trifox X18 frame and the build went really smooth. No issues with the seatpost, bar, stem, Frame nor fork. All from trifox
I also have a carbonda cfr 696 (gravel bike). Carbonda does have a better build quality, but they didn't have the geo I wanted for a road bike.
Interesting to hear. Thanks for sharing on the thread.
it is RNG if you get a piece of shit from them or an "okay" bike.
"What are you going to do? Hit it with the rubber mallet again." LOL!!!! Love it!
I have to say Cam,i had a Trifox x10 and yes it did have minor issues but i fitted e-tap and hypers so it rode well to be honest...BUT .....i have now purchased a Elves Falath and my bike builder has absolutely RAVED about it saying its better that all the big brands he has built before! The paintwork on the Elves is second to none and the fit and finish is amazing.
Oh dear, love it, thanks for the video Cam 👍
Never had any of these problems with my f12 aliexpress build running on boty wheels & sram red mech.
Everything fitted perfectly and the bike solid 18 month and 4k later.
The music during the fork/handlebar section is awesome. 🤣🤣🤣
i really wish you just build the elves and build again when they give you the UCI version, just to make comparasion
Always enjoy that guy building 👍
I really hoped the rubber mallet was going to be accompanied by a squeaker noise ! 😂
well, I've been following Hambini & oz_cycle for years. I think I'll trust their opinions a lot more than a mechanic that puts together a carbon bike with a hammer.
Let’s not forget Gary from Carbon Steed was quite critical of the Trifox. Did both Oz Cycle and Hambini buy the frames or were they given them? I don’t know myself.
Exactly the handlebar issue could've been worked around with a little sandpaper, but instead the man just whacked the body of the stem with a mallet. Not really confidence inspiring
The Rubber Mallet displays an artist mirror of the frame quality....
@@taylorcycles1931 I would NEVER trust a "mechanic" who uses a mallet on ANY bike, regardless. Rgr
@@borano2031 Your missing the point, I would never and never use a rubber mallet on bike build! The quality was so bad i would not have built this bike up for a customer.
Excellent for beginners and daily commuters
I bought and built a Trifox X18. Had similar issues. Saddle clamp didn't even work (had to buy trek one that fit). It does not ride well. It has flex in the bottom bracket and lateral flex in the fork and rear dropouts so it does wonky stuff in turns (not confidence inspiring... can't crit or road race a bike like that). Pissed because I have like $2K US invested and I probably can't sell it, maybe should just part it out and eat the loss. Bought a used tarmac SL6 for $2750 and that is an awesome crit bike.
Interesting to hear that Travis, thanks for sharing on the thread.
Second hand SL6 value for money 👌
As you say its certainly not a cheap build a sheet of wet and dry would sort out the roughness on the fork tube i would rather a tight fit than sloppy fitting however lets see the finished bike and your experience with the ride thanks Cam.
In my 27 years as a bike mechanic I've never seen a steerer this bad.....
Having built an X10 and and X16 I can report on the following facts: the X16 had some paint overrun on the front drop outs (fixed with a bit of sandpaper). The X10 had tight clearance of the brake and shifter cable around the bottom bracket (fixed with a file).
So how does the X10 ride? Follow up video please 🙂
You should have a look at the new ltwoo hydraulic groupset, just been released
I had my x16 built up with only very minor issues such as rim bike caliper fit tight and head set bearing fit tight to frame as you captured in your video. The seat post on mine fits perfectly and doesn’t have plays when it is toques up. Otherwise, it has ridden nicely and feels stiff in fast bunch rides. It seams like the seat post was rotating a lot side to side for your particular model was before it was tightened up? I think you can confirm that😊. Anyways, I am excited to see you make another video for first ride/impression!
Made x16 for a friend. I could just copy paste your view. It is an excellent Bike.
MOAR bike build videos!! There is just something mesmerising with bike builds.
Gonna watch the entire video later but just wanna say that I built 3 cheap road bikes around the similar price point and they are insane!!! I will never buy a bike for more than 3000 euro again!
This is a pretty similar experience I had with the X16, except I bought handlebars from Toseek, my first bike build, didnt know what to expect, it was ok overall, love these video!
I've had two pairs of Toseek carbon bars, on two bikes. The first bike was a roadie only. The second pair I put on a steel frame that had wide tyre clearance. And I would ride it off road with my 2 year old in a baby rucksack. The bars cracked, but, they're probably not designed for that kind of abuse.
Daughter is 4 now, and I switched to alloy bars after the crack.
I think the crack was due to my abuse.
The first road bike and bars, and application used for, definitely good bars for the price
Well done to Jay Taylor for putting up with such a badly manufactured bike. All part of the experiment, Cam. Great learnings for all. Well done Cam.
They are hit or miss. QC isn’t consistent but most companies are excited to hear about your product. “Hey the seat post and fork are giving me issues” usually will get you freely shipped product under warranty every time
I undestand the frame is cheap,what do want for 600 dollars,he is not making things look good for him either.Use the hammer,that will fix things.There is a product out there called sand paper,he could have used it around the fork and handle bars.I going to stop watching the video here.I get the message,go and buy yourself a 5000 dollar plus frame and you will not need the sand paper.That's what you think - i have build very expensive bike,at time you do not only need the sand paper,You have to send the frame back to the Mfg.Ciao from Italy.
Thank goodness Old Mate is back
Been waiting for this video!
Jeezo! Well done Jay. Well not be buying a trifox anytime soon!
Worth my 10mins! Can't wait for your ride review!
That isn't actually a cheap frame as well. Shocking build quality
A nice contrast to the typical asmr premium bikebuilds :)
Give that fretful mechanic a beer XD Love your content! Always interesting and funny.
Chinese brands i trust: Winspace, Yoeleo, Icann
Chinese brands that seem interesting: Elves
Chinese brands that are a gamble: probably everything else.
I've yet to see the inside of an Elves. I'm thinking of buying a borescope one day to see the insides of framesets from various brands.
If anyone looking for a affordable fully build "UCI Approved" carbon aero race bike. You can consider "Java Fuoco J-AIR" (2021). The specs are pretty good for the price of just $1200 USD.
- Full Carbon bike inlcude wheels / Handlebar .
- Aero frame / Handlebar .
- Fully integrated cables .
- 50mm loud hub aero wheels.
- Shimano 105 .
- UCI Approved .
You can see the bike on my channel. That video equipped with Sram Red but thats for racer, you can get the normal version with Shimano 105 for $1200 USD.
This bike also ridden by a spanish pro team called JAVA KIWI ATLANTICO.
If anyone is still complaining about price/finish quality/etc. there’s always the route I take is New Old Stock/Used Vintage!
I think for making your mate put that together you should be forced to ride it for a full crit season.
hahaha! Very good. Although I am thinking of auctioning it off for charity instead. The parts are good, at the very least.
Haha!
Only ridden on weekends
Make sure you have FULL health insurance Cam!
Bike wont last a full crit season.
I can't believe the prices of old top of the line rim brake bikes on Facebook marketplace. I just bought an S works sl3 with full dura ace and then a set of Reynolds arX carbon wheels all up spent 1800 bucks. Bike is stiff as a rock and 6.8kg.
2012 Cervelo S5, full Chorus, no wheels... $1050,00??? Rgr
I finished my build. The rear derailleur hanger snapped had to get another one still waiting
Sorry to hear that Terrill, I assume the same groupset?
@@CamNicholls the Empire Groupset? Yes.
@@CamNicholls everything looks good but ran into the same issues with the handlebars and routing
Use all the parts (wheels groupset etc.) on another frame of some repute
That mechanic is the funniest guy,no joke,go head to head with Seinfeld. 🤣🤣
It's jumping Jay Taylor.
Built up 2 sets of X8, had the same issues with my headset bearings, felt real sketchy installing the bb, had to sand away the paint to get the brakes and wheels to be installed
They didn't got it the wrong way about holes, that's how they do it here in china, front brake with rear derailleur and vice versa 🤦🤦🤦
Yeah WTF, these guys don't know cable routings are different in different countries?
Tentando achar defeitos onde não existe ,chinese bikes são boas, funcionam e são preço justos.
Can you make a different review of the wheelset? I am tempted to buy this one but I am not quite sure if it's a good buy.
Yes, I may stick them on the Elves when it arrives. Out of the box I was quite impressed but would like to ride them for a while before making any serious opinion based claims.
@@CamNicholls thank you soo much. Will be waiting for that video.
I believe this is my new go to bike build video when invariably I come to that WTF moment while tackling the never ending N+1 project. We’ll done on the production as always Cam!
Thanks Cam
Send this build straight to Hambini
yes you do! never leave a trace...
plan on buying the frame.. you saved me Cam. 😂
Thank you for making an honest video about these frames. Seems like all the other cycling youtubers are saying great things about TriFox but Ive always expected that they were paid in some way to give there positive reviews.
Keep up the great work!
the same with me.
I bought a Trifox X18 frame after finding only positive reviews on RUclips. I had several massive defects in the frame that could only be remedied with a great deal of time and money. I've been discussing with the Trifox customer service for months without any result. Instead of a good valued frame, I received a very expensive piece of crap.
I have an X16 Quick Release, no issues so far and almost 4,000km in.
@@MegaXtc11 nice to know some people are having good experience with this brand. I guess it comes down to their quality control. Hopefully they can fix these issues moving forward. As a community we need to raise our voices when we have problems with these frames and get the word out!
Love the content Cam! Maybe Luke (Trace Velo) could be brought in as a consultant? Definitely appears that some “Adjusting” needs to be done. Hopefully someone from Trifox can provide some advice for using their “Product”.
Yes, I did reach out to Luke on Instagram a while back! I may need to email him. Would like to get him involved in some content! Love his humour.
Oz cycles also deals with lots of Chinese and Taiwanese bits and is worth reaching out to
@@QuickQuips isn't he in prison these days ?
@@abedfo88 yeaj
@@abedfo88 Dang. Had no idea. He posts once a month so I couldn't tell. Maybe he knows how to make carbon fiber shanks.
One of the risks of buying a cheap frame.I guess they just bang them out all day quickly to sell them
I’ll buy it, seems like a tight fit
Laughed a lot - Just made a note to NEVER buy a Trifox ... Thanks Cam.
“Hey Jim, pass the mallet. Yeah, the big one.”
I wouldn't dare to take my bike to this professional mechanic.😢
took me until 4:02 to realize cam and jay are, in fact, 2 different people
Afgelopen winter heb ik een trifox frame opgebouwd en dit is zo bekend.
Er zitten best een hoop design fouten in en de kwaliteit is op zn best matig te noemen.
Hij zal wel niet breken, daar ben ik niet zo bang voor maar je plezier word snel verziekt door het gekraak en het opbouwen was een gevecht tot het bittere einde, wat een kutframe !!
Cam, do you think if you had sent that frame back and demanded a new, pointing out the faults etc they would have sent you a new one?
They're not faults, they're tight tolerances. It's very possible that the issue is with the handlebars and not the steerer, for example. Which is essentially the main issue there. Either way some sand paper would shave down a hair and Bob's your uncle. Sorry, the seat post flex is an issue. Not sure about that one.
@@pierrex3226 if that bike turned up at my house with those problems , it would soon be going back. The mechanic mentioned about the cables rubbing and possibly breaking if not dealt with is in my opinion a fault.
Saves so much electricity compared to the heat pump. Wish it was a little less noisy.
Great video as ever, would be interested to hear more about the groupset and wheels 👍🏻
Hey Cam, are you still riding on your 165mm cranks? How are they treating you?
Cheers from Canada
I am not unfortunately. Been swapping too many bikes around this year to make it work. I'll be back on them in 2023! My hip flexors are hating me right now.
wouldn't he want to sand those tight areas down? forcing the parts in would create stress areas, I mean there should be some give but i assume it could lead to cracking.
One thing I have noticed is all of the Chinese manufacturers have one thing in common. Cheesy names for their bikes. If you want to be taken seriously you don't call your creation Trifox.
If you look at many western brand names without the benefit of their history, you could probably say the same thing. E.g. Specialized - if they didn’t exist and a Chinese company came up with the name, we’d all take the piss.
Drawing for straws to see you who is doing the test ride!
haha
You could get the frame resprayed with one of your Aussie words down the side... Hubbard or Bogdan would work well to describe this bike :)
Bad day at the Trifox office me thinks! Should of bought a Yoeleo, 3 bikes in no issues.
Cam you should have called this one "How to piss off your mechanic!" Entertainment 10/10 Trifox frame 0/10.
Haha Classic!
Problem with manufacturing in China is often quality control. That's why you see special "review" unit that are handpicked sent to @Hambini & the like and they are always flawless. You will also see in this comments people swear that they got one and it was "perfect". The only mistake you did here was paying for it.
It proves that if you think you can pull one out of the box and just put it together, you're not going to be able to do that. But just how serious the issues are isn't clear since nothing was measured, e.g., was the headset tight because a little bit was sticking out that needed to be sanded off or was it tight because it was too small all around.
Jay is a very patient man, lol!
Just curious if that was the thru axle that was being backed off at the 8:00 minute mark?
For the sake of your health, I highly recommend wearing latex gloves when working on bikes or anything else for that matter. EVERYTHING that you put on your skin (like carbon paste) gets absorbed into your bloodstream and then has to be filtered-out by your liver... if it can. A little bit of prevention now just might keep you from getting cancer or some other strange illness later in life. 👍
I have a chinese carbon Road Bike, called Pinewood future pro it so stiff AF, it is 4 years old already and my friend have Pinarello it only last 3 years, have a damage and crack under the bottom bracket.
It seems that your treatment towards this brand is unprofessional, because it’s not a well known eastern brand like Seka , Yoeleo, Winspace, etc. I have friends that have this exact frame and have no issues with it , and didn’t treat it in the way you guys are treating it in the build process.
I’ve seen many times even in western brands that parts of the frame were not finished properly, the fact is carbon frames are made in China and in Taiwan “about 97% are .”
Fact the biggest brand Giant is an eastern brand not a western brand like the big three Trek, Specialized, Cannonade. Giant for “FACT” makes Specialized and other well known brands.
Guess who makes Cervelo? ,,,,,,, Elves an eastern brand makes Cervelo frames for world tour teams, but they don’t want you to know this but it’s “FACT”,. They just don’t want people to know the big secret.
Essentially we all are riding Chinese, or Tawain made carbon bikes ………….
I know for a fact you would not treat other more known brands this way.
agree
Most people that live in the world of big brands don't want to know the ugly truth, that is a FACT 😂. I have this frame for 2 years now with Sensah Empire and Juintech F1 brake, Elite lightweight , no problem and i have above 10k km, so.....
Agree. Like other known brands don't import from China. Discriminating.
Agreed
Lolz😂😂😂
It looks nice. Like to see how it rides. From the look of things in the build there may be some issues.
Thanks for the video
Cam, you need to provide some costings here. It might have been cheap to buy, but 4 hours for a mechanic + a bunch of new bits, is going to add $450AU at least (googling mechanic current hourly rates).
What you going to do with it? 5,000km and see how much it costs you to keep it running. Provide a true cost for everyone - in other words are you better off just buying better quality because it doesn't bend/break?
On a side note I see that windspace has borrowed your logo redesign.
That was their old logo I grabbed, so they've gone back to their own original, must be.
One day you have to try delihea frame
I guess take away is it's still better to shop second hand like damn 2000+USD is still a lot of money for a bike and that's coming from the owner of a Giant TCR Advanced lol. I mean, I'm definitely stretching that mark with my bike (I've basically gone full AliExpress besides the frame, the finishing kit and the Shimano Tiagra cranks), but when I was a kid I thought spending over 1000$ on a bike was bonkers but then again back then you could buy a carbon tcr with 5800 105 for like a little over 1000$.
Or get a winspace or elves frame
@@invisiblescout6335 True was going to get the avari at first but a TCR came at an even cheaper price
Edit: The TCR was 2nd hand but it looked brand new when I checked it so I took it though it's a 2012 model
That carbon dust is extremely dangerous. Cleaning it off outside before working on it is a very good idea.
The only thing on my bikes csrbon are forks... the rest aluminium or titanium... or maybe the hub that comes with the wheels....
This us going to be beyond interesting. Gives new meaning to "Cheap Chinese Bike". The frame is absolute garbage. Can't wait to see what happens with the Elves
Cam how do you like the wheel?
I wonder if it was possible to get the rotors and calipers aligned
As someone who has done a fair bit of work on AliExpress/cheaper stuff from asia, this coulda assembled a bit better with more prep/sanding and research. Hope the mallet on the handlebars/other parts doesn’t break over time
Some significant design tolerance and design routing issues highlighted! From reading the comments it sounds like the manufacturing output is inconsistent and suffers from a lack of proper qc. For the money though, is it worth it?
You will have to ride it, race it and get some significant distance on it to find out. 👍
Launch it off the ippy bridge into the Bremer.... It'll bounce off the island of shopping trolleys and sail off down the big brown snake.
If you buy a Trifox frame, be sure to buy a big mallet as well.
Thanks for saving me money and stress :)
Next vid will be this VS aluminum bike with same price cap.
So is it safe to ride after it's been brayed like that?!
So.... how does it ride?