Can you please point me to law which prohibits people in california to buy torsion spring and no do DIY install? we have many store that sell these to common public where we live and no contractor license is needed around here to buy those !
October 30th 2024, I can buy torsion springs from Lowes in Northridge, CA. I am not a contractor, nor do I pretend to be one. I guess they don't know about this law either.
This was extremely informative. There are probably a lot of guys, just like me, here not willing to pay the local shop +$800 to replace a broken torsion spring, but are also know if they're going to do it themselves, you've got to get it right. I greatly appreciate the existence of this video. Liked and sub'd.
From what i understand higher gauge allows for a high cycle spring. You can account for length and winds based on the garage door weight but my main question here is at what point can too little winds effect the performance? Say i have a 180-200lb garage door, i currently have dual .218 32" springs. I want a high cycle so i go up to .243 38". From what i calculated anywhere from 2-4 quarter turns less should work but at what point is it a disservice?
Hello. Great question. Now if you could elaborate a bit, what can you tell me about your garage door? Is it insulated? Does the garage door have windows? What brand of garage door do you own? Additionally, do you know the inner spring diameter? Do you know if it's a 2" or 1 3/4"?
@@sosgds I'm not sure on which brand, but its a 4250 panels non-insulated 25 Ga. Steel. and no windows. Garage door is 16' x 7'. Springs are 2" ID. I plan on doing a DIY insulation method which will be about another 15-20 lbs
@@2mustange Thanks for sharing those details. Unfortunately I don't think the 243 38's are what you need. Based on the information you provided, you should look at a 243 54 long springs.
Hello! Fascinating. Was this at the Home Depot location or online? Did they require a local installer to have the work done for you? What area of CA are we talking about?
Interesting. Yes you can order springs online. Yet no manufacturer or distributor in CA will sell springs to the public. Thus I am always intrigued to hear when a customer can acquire springs out the local channels. Did you install them yourself? What did you pay for them, if I may ask?
@@sosgds No worries, I think the spring set was around $100 and another $18 for the winding rods. Not sure if that’s the right term. I installed them reluctantly as everyone said it’s very dangerous, but the local installer quotes were more than $500
My respect to you. It can be a dangerous process but not impossible. But yes springs can be purchased online thru Amazon and other outlets. I wasn't aware HD offered them. The only springs they carry in the store are extension springs. Thank you for sharing your story!
excellent video, and much appreciated followed all your advice and learned my garage door was improperly set up which led to a broken spring…was able to purchase 2 upgraded springs and collars and all the proper tools for $145.00 and two hours of my time and saved myself $1300.00 plus I gave myself a lifetime warranty.
I don't know jack for garage doors as I'm researching to replace my spring with an alternative, and after 12seconds I figured .250x32! Still a little off yet think I'm learning a lot! Bless this man and him sharing his knowledge!!
I have a 7x16 uninsulated door and I'm not sure if the old torsion springs are correct they are 218x1.75x25 pair. Are these the right spring? And is there other that would work better for this configuration? Thx
Hello. Great question. It will depend if you have a steelback insulated door or a vinyl back (aka. polyback) insulated garage door. The vinyl back insulated door will have visible insulation. In fact, it will have the look of styrofoam. The steelback insulated garage door is concealed thus the insulation is not visible. Additionally, the steelback insulated door will seem solid. The 218 by 1 3/4" 25 can be applied to a steelback door depending on the thickness of the door. Yet you can consider a high cycle spring in the .234 or .243 wire size. The length will depend again of the thickness of the door and the type of insulation. Hope this helps!
@@sosgds apologize but after I sent the original text I realized that it auto corrected I actually have an uninsulated door would you be able to give me instructions for that please
Hey Santiago, I have a single car garage door that is 30 years old. No windows but it is insulated and the back is not steel. It’s a foam material. The right wound spring snapped and I need to replace it. From what I can read on the spring I have one .225x2x27. Is that the correct spring to use on this door? The other question I have is if I cannot find a right wound spring but can easily find a left would spring, can I just replace the spring and move the new one the the right side? Thanks for your help!
Hello Pete. Thanks for the question. You can definitely go with a new .225 2" by 27. Or you can also go with a .225 1 3/4" by 30. Now to be completely clear, you only have one springs on this garage door correct? It's a single car door correct?
@@sosgds Yes that’s correct, sir. That being said if I can’t find a left wound spring at the big box store but they do have a right wound, am I able just to switch the spring to the other side as long as it’s the correct spring? Thanks for your help!
Hey, I just had my garage door spring swapped. But the end that is attached seems to be raised more so than the other end that seems more flatter. Is this normal? I asked the installer why that was and he said he did it to reduce friction and make it last longer, but I'm wondering if this is actually the opposite
Hello. Thanks for the question. Could you be a bit more specific about what seems 'raised more so than the other end' and the other 'seems more flatter? You can also email pictures.
@@sosgds It looks like the end of the coil is slightly raised so there's a slight raised jump at one end that extends for about 1 foot and then the rest of it is flat/parallel. What's your email address i can send pictures.
I was hoping you would provide a method to calculate what torsion spring size you need if the existing springs on your door are incorrect, as was the case in your double door example. Do you have another video on how to do that?
Not sure he wants to do that since most of his video's exclude that information. However one can infer that a standard non insulated 16x7 door would need two 207x1.75x25 springs or two 218x1.75x31 springs...if I have my info correct from his video's
@@cryhavoc38 i got a pair of 205/2/25, they are not right for it, I think I have to go higher, my problem is that my old torsion springs that were there when au moved were two different once, one seems to be 250/2/30 and the other one seems to be 243/2/30 and I’m not sure which one to pick, and this video seems to have confused me even more, it’s saying that the 243/2/30 are not the right ones..
He never gices that informatoin. All you need is width, height of the door and weight of the door. using this you can find out easily what spring size is neeeded. he is so stupid that he will not reveal any of that info.
I have a Clopay, model 4050, 16 x 8 , 1& 38", insulated steel back garage door. One panel has eight 10" x 18" single pane windows. It has a 234-2-28 spring on the right, and a 218-2-24.5 on the left. The smaller spring has broken twice in the last 5 years. Is my installer installing the correct springs. Thanks
Hello. Based on what you mentioned I would say your installer should offer you a higher cycle spring. I would actually apply two .234 wire by 1 3/4" diameter by 31" long springs on your door.
Thank you for your video. I have to replace the broken spring in my garage. The broken spring was installed by the house builder and only installed one spring, which measures .243" x 2" x 28". What size spring would you recommend for my garage door which is a simple 16' x 7' without insulation or windows. I bought a pair of .250" x 1.75" x 33" but seems to be the the wrong size. Too much power once I adjusted with 31 quater turns on each spring. Thanks for any future replies.
Hello. If the garage door is too strong opening then the springs are overpowered. A literal conversion of your 243 wire spring would translate to a 250 x 1.75 x 36. Do you happen to have a Wayne Dalton door?
@@sosgds Hello, I do have a Wayne Dalton garage door. I could not find lable in the garage that gives the information of the door. I ended up returning the springs I ordered and now I am waiting for a new set with measurements. 243" x 2" x 28". I hope these new set is the right choice. What do you think?
I got a bare 16x7 door from my neighbor I am trying to find all the hardware I needs. HD has a kit with hinges and rollers and such but no tracks or torsion tube. Know any suppliers that sell those to retail customers in So Cal? I am in Azusa close to you.
I have a 16'x7' ReliaBilt insulated door with windows in two of the 4 panels. Best we can figure, the door weighs 100 lbs. The track has 12" radius curves and cable reels are 4-inch diameter. Garage door opener is a 14 year-old Horman Model 5500. The original springs broke a while ago and I have replaced them with a pair of 2"x 2.25 x 27" springs. The door works but requires detailed tweaking in order for the opener to be able to fully open and close the door without the excessive force cut out kicking in. The garage is the primary entry to our house and it gets opened and closed several times per day. It seems that the springs are breaking on a fairly frequent basis. Do I have the right springs for this door?
Thanks for the question. I could be that you are just going thru the cycle life quickly. The springs you have installed will offer at least 10K cycles. What type of insulated garage door is it? Is it steel back insulated or vinyl back insulation? When was the last time you had the springs replaced?
@@sosgdsThank you very much for your quick reply and your help to so many of us. It is a four panel steel back insulated door sold by ReliaBilt. The two top panels have four panes of glass across them. We tried to weigh it several times and came up with 100 lbs though it feels heavier than that. I have tried to adjust the sensitivity of the opener and may need to further adjust them. Springs are lasting about two years each. Previously, I had 24-inch springs in place and just now replaced both springs with a pair of 27-inch 2 x 2.25 inch springs. Finally, the door is equiped with drill operated winding mechanism with instructions to "stretch" the spring 2 1/2 inches when setting the other end then winding the spring to initially stretch it out which takes place before the chain starts to be twisted. I can vary the amount of stretch by adjusting where the other end is clamped to the rod. Any and all suggestions are much appreciated.
Very interesting. You said that the two top panels have four pane glass across. Thus does your garage door have 8 glass pane windows in total? As for the drill spring mechanism, does it look like the one here in the link from Home Depot? www.homedepot.com/p/Clopay-EZ-Set-Torsion-Conversion-Kit-for-9-ft-x-7-ft-Garage-Doors-134-lbs-155-lbs-LW-YELLOW-A-9/207135206
I have an 18x8 standard non-insulated door with single pane windows on the top panel. There in not a manufacturer sticker anywhere on this door. The spring on the left side of the center bracket is broken. Is the left side spring a right-hand wind? The size printed on it is .225x2"x27", is that the right size?
Hello Justin! Yes the left side, red cone spring, is the right wound spring. If your springs are original to this door, then a new pair of .225 by 2 by 27 is perfectly fine. Or you could go for a pair of .225 by 1 3/4¨ by 30" long should work nicely.
Hello! You should be good with a pair of 207 by 1 3/4" by 25 or 26 long springs. If a pair is not available, then a single 250 by 1 3/4" by 33 long should also work.
Please help, my garage door is clopay. Both springs are broken, spring size is (wire size .225, length is 23.5 and 2 inch diameter) and garage door is 7 * 16 foot. what spring size should I buy to get better cycles.
It sounds like you have a steelback garage door from Clopay. I would consider going with a pair of .243 wire by 1.75 diameter at 38" long. That should provide at least 20K cycles.
Got same length torsion spring and followed the steps; but issue I see is garage door only lift up till 1 foot , stay stuck and does not move up regardless how much manual lift force I put in (in manual mode). please guide. I tried going up to 33 quarter turns (16.5 half turns) as 31 or 30 turns was not helping, rotation was clock wise for 33 quarter turns.. my old part was 218 wire x 29 long spring and new one is 225 wire and 29 long spring.
We have a Wayne Dalton 16 by 8 and by 8 insulated roll up door the torsion Springs broke and my son through the originals away.. How can I order new Springs without the originals. thank you
Hello! Do you know the model of your Wayne Dalton 16 by 8 door? Is it insulated? Does it have windows? Do you know if it's the model 8000? Or perhaps it's the 9100?
Hi, I have a Windsor Door model 530, house is mid 80's in age, and the door is 7'x16' steel, non insulated, no windows, very plain, with regular rails. I have a spring that is 218 x 2 x 26, that has broken twice, last time 13 years ago. Would you please recommend the torsion springs best suited for this door, for left and right??? The broken spring has the following...."Torque force 10", while the good spring has "Torque force 12".....not sure what that means. Thank you!
Hello. Thanks for your question. It's possible that your garage door goes through a number of cycles throughout the day. Additionally, springs will break for a number of factors aside from the wear and tear throughout the years. Thus if you are looking to achieve a higher cycle count ask for a 225 or 234 wire springs. They will usually yield higher cycle life. Hope this helps.
It will all depend on your garage door. Based on your original comment you mentioned that your garage door was non insulated. But according to Windsor sit this is an insulated garage door. Can you confirm.
@@sosgds I will send you a picture tonight, thanks for the help! There are just so many varieties of springs, but no clear guide as to what each measurement does in relation to the door. Like more horsepower, means faster car, but on the springs a layman is just lost in the forest 🌳.
One of my springs broke. I have two .207 x 1 3/4 x 20 on it now. Its a 16 x 7 non-insulated aluminum door. Its seems to struggle a bit to open. If I went up to a 25 from a 20 would it help?
Thanks for the info. This is a Great video. I have a 16x7 wood door. probably water logged but still straight. One spring broke (a .225 x 2" x 26") and I was considering installing slightly larger springs. Perhaps a .234 x 2" x 28". Would this be wise or should I just replace with the same size?
Thanks for the feedback! And thank you for your question. Do you happen to know the weight of the garage door? Are the current .225 wire springs original to the garage door? Can you confirm the size of the non broken torsion spring?
@sosgds thank you for responding. No I don't know the weight. And yes this is the size of the original springs. About 40 years old. Door always seemed heavy to lift. Again thank you. Also, with just one spring I can hardly lift it by myself and I am a strong guy.
Thank you. If the door is heavy as you say then it should be seen by a garage door professional. Even with the strongest opener, a garage door system will fail if the door is not properly maintained. Additionally, the openers in the video all have metal and plastic materials. Yet they provide a similar level of reliability.
@@sosgds Thank you so much for all the info on your videos. I went ahead and took a chance on the heavier springs. I started with 7 full turns and it worked fine but still a little heavy for my wife. So I added one more full turn and it is really smooth. For the first time in years the opener isn't screaming when it opens. I also replaced all the rollers. Thanks again.
Hi I have a pair of spring 207 x 2 x 22 can install 207 x 2 x 24 or 25 on the length? The door 15 feet by 7 non insulated no windows, cant believe is so heavy without the spring brand United door technologies.
Hello Francisco. Yes you should be able to apply those springs. You might apply an additional turn to achieve better balance. Start with 28 quarter turns. Check your balance, then apply any additional quarter turns for optimal performance.
Chinno, I have a question about garage door motor. Currently the motor is a 1/2 HP. Is a double car door. Two torsion springs 16x7 Wayne Dalton foamcore model 37 has 7 cross braces. The motor was installed 2005 ad still works. I sence a little strain when operating both open and close. Question, when I do replace the motor, should I get the same 1/2 or should I get a 3/4 hp?
Question if I may (I installed, and have original tags from springs).. I have a Home Depot Clopay uninsulated 10x10, 12" radius track (2 springs first - orange 2" 0192 x 2" x 24" and 2nd yelloow .207 x 2" x 31") Door weight from Clopay is 148lbs. Looking to add approx.18-24lbs of insulation materials to the door, and not change both springs if possible. What 2" spring could I add to the yellow 31" .207 to allow the extra weight? Been trying to get information from Clopay without much luck. Thank you.
Hello. Thanks for the question. You could simply with a 207 2" 31" on the other side. But if you wanted high cycles then a .218 2" by 40 long might a spring to consider.
How do you tell if your spring is a "high cycle" spring. Is that the upper limit of whatever color you have? So I have gold springs..... Would I want to have the .462 over the .177's (on the DASMA chart) to have a high cycle spring?
Hello. Very good questions. In theory, you would definitely want a .462 spring over a .177 ... but only if our garage door is a heavily insulated commercial grade door. A high cycle spring should always be configured based on the weight and size of the garage door. Do you know the brand of door you have? Are you familiar with the weight of your garage door?
@@sosgds I believe it is heavily insulated. Don't know the weight... but it is very very heavy. Have 32-34" gold springs on currently. Nothing broken... Just wondering if the technician put on high cycle. I'll change them myself next time.
Great video. Liked! Question using your example of standard Wayne Dalton 8000 uninsulated 16x8 garage door. You said 250x2x30 or 250x1.75x33. Well I have this exact setup with 250x1.75x33 and I can't find find exact replacement spring from Dura-Lift or DDM. Closest 2" ID spring is 250x2x33 (not 30). I can't find any info online to say if that will work. Any thoughts? Just looking for 2cents.
Thanks for your question. I would try to find a 29 or 31 in the 2" diameter i.d. If you are not able to find that size, consider looking for a pair of 207 by 1.75 by 26's.
I have a spring that broke my door had (2) 250 by 2” by like 29” springs but being in Texas I have hurricane bars on the back of the door which makes the door very heavy. I got the springs replace and when they replace them they put (1) 250 and (1) 262. Prior to this my door as it was lower manually it would want to run down so I have to guide it all the way down or it will slam down, now it needs to be guided but it stops at the point you stop pulling on it to bring it down or pushing up to open which I like. My question is, is it ok that they put two different size springs. Also the guy said the spring that did not brake had 34 turns which would have been the adjustment for a 8 1/2 door and my door is only 7’. Now my second question is that why the door was not balance because the original springs were too tight?
Great questions! 1. Is it ok that they put two different size springs? Yes, if the springs properly balance your garage door. From your comment, it seems that the balance is stronger if you are having to pull down with effort in order to close the garage door. 2. Why the door was not balance because the original springs were too tight? It's possible the springs at a time did balance the garage door but over time they lost their strength.
I have a 18x7 garage insulated heavy door. A spring broke so I am replacing both. They currently are 30x225x2. What upgraded size can I use. I don't think they are original. No label on the door. Has windows and styrofoam insulation. What do you recommend . Ty
@@sosgds thanks for your reply. I had some pro's come out. Went w/ a single spring to save some money knowing I'll be replacing the door in a few years.
I want to upgrade my torsion springs. I have a Wayne Dalton 9100 (4 panel - 16' wide). The "Torquemaster" system that came with the door...was replaced about 4 years ago (8 years old when it broke). It was replaced with dual torsion springs .218 wire, 1.75 ID and 26" length. Now...one spring broke after 4 years. I am not sure these were the correct springs to begin with...as it is a VERY Heavy door...but I definitely want to upgrade to a proper, more durable spring. Can you tell me what sizes you would suggest?
Hello! Wow that is strange. A pair of 218 by 1 3/4" by 26 should have worked fine. Normally I would have used a pair of 207 aby 1.75 by 33s. Yet it might be possible you have the 9600 or 9605 door which is steel back. Does you door have windows?
Broke a torsion spring today after 22 yrs. Have a builders grade Amarr 16x7 2 car door w/ windows and insulation. Have 2 springs .207x2x20. Would like a recommendation on an up grade or equivalent pair of springs.
So my spring has red paint on the spring so I think I now know which spring to order. My door (1974) has only one spring on the left side and i think by getting two springs, left and right will help keep the door more balanced? Hopefully the pair can be bought in oil tempered? My new 3/4 hp opener should work perfectly after new springs are installed!
I had to take a sliver off a couple of the inside of the cones with a a 1/2 inch drill in order for the 16 inch winding bars to fit-- is that bad of ok?
Not as helpful as I had hoped. My springs were way undersized from the installer. I have a similar door as the one shown, stamp steel non insulated 18' x 7', but have always had to lift with at least a 60 pound manual assist. I need to upgrade the size but can't find the proper size. Where can I find the proper size for my door? Thanks
Hello! Thank you for reaching out. Could you share with me more information about your garage door? What brand of garage door do you own? You had mentioned the size of the garage door 18' wide by 7' tall. Can you confirm if the door is true 18' or 18'6"? What track assembly do you have on your garage door? (for example: 12" track? Low head track? Does your garage door have any other modifications or perhaps windows?
@@sosgds Brand - Overhead True 18' x 7', 4 sections with three struts and lock. Track is not a 1/4 circle radius but more of a quarter oval shape, 8' ceiling so I guess low head track, door is close to ceiling when opened. No windows but I did add some foam board that couldn't weight more than 5 to 10 pounds. Model # 1311180021800000, Sect 311 . INT . 08E . 18'0 x 21 . WHT Thanks for the reply, hope that helps. I am just adding an opener, it's been manual until now.
This is good information. So the best thing to do at this point is to weigh the garage door. But if that is not easy to do at the moment we can deduce from a similar door the weight. For example: The Wayne Dalton model 8000 18x7 garage door without windows weighs 198 lbs. If you add one strut, that's an additional 10-12 lbs. So three additional struts should take your garage door to about 230 lbs. Now if you added the insulation that could easily take the door weight up to 270 lbs. potentially. Does this scenario seem to apply to your garage door?
@@sosgds That helps a lot, thanks. One more question, you've been so kind! Mine uses two springs and the chart I've seen showing weight doesn't say if that weight is per spring or per pair. If it's per spring, I should double it to get the right weight rating? Also, what contributes more to strength, the wire diameter, or the length of the coil? I am looking at using 2 - 0.250 x 2" x 39" and wondering if I should go shorter?
Thank you for your kind words. Can you tell me what size of torsion springs right now? Do you know the wire gauge, diameter, and length of the current springs?
My door is wood, and its 38 years old. No tag indicating it's brand. Non insulated originally, but I insulated it with 1" foam board. The springs were worn out when I bought the house, now with the insulation I need new springs. How do I determine what I need? I see 1 of the springs is broken, and doubtful they are the correct springs.
Hello. Good question. The best way to tackle your garage door spring replacement will be by weighing the garage door. Once you know the door weight, then you can calculate the door size along with the track radius to find the right springs.
My door spring broke and I could only find a spring that is around 3" longer. The inner diameter is correct and the gauge is correct but the springs overall length is a little longer, how will this affect my door ? I had the original spring and it was 24 years old so I got my money le worth from the original and it must have been a good size for it ?
Hello Edward. The spring length will require that you add a turn or two when winding. The longer your spring is the more IPT (inch per turn) it will require. Thus they might not balance your door perfectly but they should be close to perfect with a little tweaking.
I realize this an older video, but if you are still checking comments, I have a question. My 7'x18' garage door has a sticker on both outside edges. It shows: 18x21 WO# 8816-42, Regal/WH BLB, Atlanta Door Pensicola, Zone ADC 4/26/04. Does any of that information help with sizing my springs?
Great question. What are you looking to accomplish with your 18 wide by 7 tall garage door? What can you tell us about the type of garage door you own? Is the garage door insulated or non-insulated? As for the information on the sticker: 18x21 - The dimensions of the sections are 18' wide by 21" tall WO# 8816-42 - Possibly the work order number your door was placed under. Regal/WH BLB - Possibly the door model, white color Atlanta Door Pensicola, Zone ADC - Like the dealer or location of the door mfg. 04/26/04 - Possibly the door mfg date. All of this information is helpful to a degree. Yet it's vital to know the exact size of the door, the weight of the door, and the type of tracks and drums the door uses. My guess is you own a Garaga Garage Door. Here is a link to the brochure. cmsgaraga.garaga.com/Drupal/Architects_DesignCorner/Regal_EN.pdf
I had someone come and look at my broken spring the guy is going from a single spring to 2 different springs one being 218 and the other 234 is this common ?
Hello. It wouldn't necessarily be my first choice but if he is offering a mix configuration it's to help with the counterbalance. Is your garage door insulated?
Thanks for all of your great info here! I’m replacing my torsion springs and the ones I have on there are .207x1.75x27. The door is a McKee Door model 1000 16’x7’ non insulated steel door. The cable drum says dns 4x-8. Can you recommend a replacement spring size? Maybe something with a thicker wire size for a longer life cycle? I’m having a hard time finding a direct replacement of the size I have on there. Any help would be appreciated!
Just weighed my door at 176lbs and did the balance test. With the current springs, the door just falls down so I’m guessing I need some stronger springs. Just don’t know what size would be best?
I went with a pair of .207 by 2 by 20. Installed in about a half hour. 29 turns and the door was a little hot so I backed it off about 2 quarter turns and the door was balanced perfectly and now my garage door actually works :) you’re videos have been a big help!
My house is 6 years old. I have a 16' x 8' steel uninsulated garage door that weighs 293.9#. It has 2 torsion springs; .250x2x32 #2 Gold RW & .234x2x28 #2 brown LW. It is lifted by a 1/2 HP operator.
I am in the process of insulating the door. When complete, the door will weigh in at 310.67#.
Will I be able to lift the 310.67# door with the current springs and operator?
Hello. You should be able to utilize the same spring with that additional weight to the door. You're roughly looking about a 10 to 12 lb difference. Nevertheless it will lower the cycle life of your springs. Any added or extra weight to the door will always affect cycle life. So you might see yourself replacing those springs in the near future. Hope this helps.
@@sosgds Hi, I liked your video too much which draw my attention than other videos. I am trying to understand torsion spring size vs door weight rule. Please correct me if I am wrong: In this particular case, the door weight 293.9 lb. while springs installed pulls up 260 lb, (based on DIY site calculator) which means the springs are 34 lb. deficit from the door weight!! My understanding the springs installed are under size and motor is struggling to pull the door up. Please explain if I am wright or wrong? Thanks
I have a 53 year old house with a 16x7 wooden door (heavy). A couple of years ago, the right spring broke and a neighbor replaced it for me with one he had. Last week the left spring broke. I measured 20 coils, 5 inches. The inside diameter is 2 inches. Both springs match, except length. The left one is 28 inches, the right is 31 inches. Should I get a scale and weigh the door?
This is a great video. Quick question. Does the color of the ends matter if I have the right size? My existing (broken) spring has the size stenciled, and the ends are green. I found the right size, but in brown. Does it matter? The stenciled size reads .243 x 2 x 28. Thanks
Great question. You want to stay with the Green color springs. This is the 243 wire spring. The Brown colored spring is the 234. I know that sounds confusing but in essence you will be going a size down with Brown spring.
Hello. I like how informative you are! I had someone install a new garage door opener and told me i need to go up a size on my springs. He said i have 1 3/4" and need to go up to 2. My garage is 16x7' with Styrofoam insulation. No windows. 2 springs. What size would be good for this door?
Hey I have a Wayne Dalton 16x8 Mtl door and the balance weight is 276.05. It has two springs and one broke. I purchased 0.250x2x28 springs as replacements. Is that going to work and how many quarter turns do you suggest? Thanks!
Hello! Thank you for your question. What garage door model did you say you own? What other info do you have on the Wayne Dalton Mtl door? How long are the springs you currently have on this garage door?
I have a 16' × 7 that i addad polystyrene insulation in (Styrofoam) no windows. I don't know the brand. The current springs are 218 x24 with 2 in. One of the springs broke after 7 months. Should i make any changes
Hello. Yes the added weight did affect the cycle life to your torsion springs. I would suggest going with a .225 wire springs with a 1 3/4" diameter and 33" long for higher cycles. Hope this helps.
Do you happen to see if there's a specific color paint on the actual coils? On the edge of the coils there might be a yellow, or white, or red paint. I'm not talking about the end cones which one side will be red and the other will be black.
Hello. Yes there is a spring shortage currently. If you have a garage door without windows I would try looking for a single .250 1 3/4" 33 spring. You will only need one spring. One spring can lift the door as two springs. Here's a video where I highlight protips when there are no springs. ruclips.net/video/r2PpRt9CRyM/видео.html
Here's a curve ball for you....I have 7x9 insulated door that weighs 130 pounds and want to add an 18" high lift as the ceilings are over 9 1/2' tall....with a single torsion spring....what do you reckon would be the best size in this situation? And for an 18" rise, do I need to convert 400-8 to a 400-54 drum?
Hello. That's definitely a curveball. The App I use can engineer the door size and weight. Yet it does not give me an option for 18" high lift. But I can tell you what spring could work for a 15" radius track: 234 2" by 27 long. That is a single spring.
@@sosgds Thanks for your feedback, my intuition tells me 250x2x37 will do the trick...should get to where I need to be under 9 winds. In any case, at the prices I have been quoted, I can afford to make 3 or 4 mistakes and it would still cost me less.
7x16 garage door non insulated, I had two different springs, so I’m not sure which was the right one, I checked both one coil seems to be 334 and the other seems to Be 250, so not sure if I need a pair of 234 or a pair of 250, seeing this video s pair doesn’t seem to be right
Banko model 110RW4, not sure how much it weighs, I try using my scale but I got a different reading each time, I ended up buying 207-2in-25 I tightened the springs probably 40 quarter turns to get it to lift it without it being too heavy. But when I want to close it, it seems too heavy to close.. maybe I did too many turns? Do I not have the right size springs? Or could it be something else?
Great video and so so helpful in many ways. I had one 250-2-32 tortion spring break. I am now going to replace both I have easy access to a pair of 250-2-33. do you think that extra inch from 32 to 33 will matter?
Is your door insulated? Is it 7x16? I live in FL and I have the added hurricane bars, whatever they are called, I think that adds a lot more weight. If your door is not insulated, no windows and is 7x16 can you please let me know?
Thank you very much for the video mon torsion springs.I did not know about all the different springs.The reason i watched this today is because one of my springs broke today.It is a overhead door that was installed 13 years ago.Guess is was due to break.Will be calling overhead door tomorrow.Thanks again for the valuable info and excellent video.
Good video sir. I was hoping you can help me find the right size. My old one snap in the left side, size diameter is .207x2x21. The right side is bigger 243x2x32. I did replaced it w/ 2pair of .218x2x34, didn't work. I went to 243x2x32 but the tensions is too strong. I have 7x16 door. What should you think shall I used. Thank n advance.
Hello. Thank you for your question. What can you tell me about your garage door? What brand of garage door do you own? Is your garage door insulated or does it have windows?
Insulated. The yellow tags show Northwest Door. 7foot high and weight between 210-217 lbs. Radius is 12inch and drum size was 4inch. Hope this will help. Thanks for reply.
I'm not sure my garage door has the correct spring size, one side just broke and I'm trying to determine what size I should purchase. My garage door is a 7' x 18' non-insulated with a row of windows and 3 horizontal supports, What would be your recommendation?
Hello MR XOTIC. It would but if you have the proper springs then all you have to worry about is the door height. If too many turns are applied to the springs it will throw off the balance.
I have a side lift wall mount opener and they put springs 26 and 30 x 225. not problems but had first spring fail on the 26" and wondering if that is common to have different springs on the door.. I have 4 more doors to watch out for breaking now after this one. Thanks Wayne
Hello. Not usually. But I would have chosen a pair 225 by 30 long springs. It also depends on the type of door you have. Additionally, if you have a high lift track assembly then they would have also gone with a mixed configuration. There are several variables to account for.
I have 23" springs on my Clopay non-insulated 16x7 garage door. The person who installed it damaged the tube (bending it out of round) by over tightening. Is it okay to use a 25" replacement spring (.218 wire thickness and 2" ID) to avoid the damaged area of the tube??
Hello. Yes you'd be ok doing that. Torsion tubes are resilient. But if I may, I would recommend going with a .218 wire 1 3/4" diameter 29 long if your garage door has windows. If your garage door does not have windows go with a 218 1 3/4" 31 springs.
Hello sir. You seem very knowledgeable. I know this is a longshot but i am going to try anyway. I have a wayne dalton door. Its either a 19006 or 19096. I cant make out the tag. Its a 16x7 (thin) insulated door. It weighs around 135lbs. I cant find anyone that can tell me what springs I need, could you help me out? Also, its a standard 12" radius track as well.
Hello. Based on your original spring size a pair of 207 1 3/4" 26 or 27 be a closer conversion. If you are able to find a .218 wire, then a pair of 218 2" diameter by 29" - 30" or a 218 with a 1 3/4" diameter by 31" long would be a closer conversion. Yet, this all based off of the information of your current door springs. Without knowing all the details of your garage door these are simply suggestions.
@@bjdickman if your door is not too heavy or if it's not too light then you should be okay. What you want to achieve is just proper balance. So you may not have to make the change.
I’ve got a 16x7 non insulated Wayne Dalton with no windows... The sheet attached to the door is barely visible but states .243 x 2 x 30 (I think it’s 30).. I can’t find the exact replacement. Any suggestions would be amazing!
Hello. If you find a pair of .207 1 3/4" diameter by 30 to 33 inche long springs that should balance out fine. If not then go with a single .243 1 3/4" diameter by 34"long spring or a single .250 1 3/4" diameter by 39" long. Hope these suggestions help.
I have 16x7 8000 series Wayne Dalton no windows also. It weights 179 lbs. Which of the two single springs mentioned would be longer lasting. The .243 or the .250? Converting from torquemaster one system. Thanks for any information.
Any advise for a car trailer Ramp door? This thing needs a beefier spring as it’s pretty heavy to lift for a woman. If the guys are out riding and the girls need to close stuff up for a storm they need 2 of them to lift.
Hi great video and explanation. Thank you! I had a question-my current broken spring is a single side Gold 0.25 x 2 x 29. Garage door is estimated 150lbs. Can I upgrade to two springs and what size would you suggest?
Had my broken single torsion spring replaced (by professional) with recommended 2 separate torsion springs several years ago. Power outage forced me to pull emergence cord to open door. Discovered door not balanced upon lifting it up. I'm handy & had right tools to "add" tension to both springs (left-side, right-side) to re-balance door. To my surprise, I could only "add" tension to left-side spring. Right-side spring would not rotate (either direction) when 2 bracket screws were loosen & using hand-bars for twisting action. I ended up adding tension to left-side spring only for door to open 1/2 way & remain stable. Why did right-side spring not twist?.... Installation error or other? Appreciate your opinion & advisement..... good day sammy
I have two newly installed .207 tension springs newly installed. The previous springs were longer, maybe 30 inches? Door works great. Is there a concern with the two shorter 24 inch springs? Can I add insulation panels to my Dalton Door? If so, any recommendations?
Awesome information! My 12'X8' Amarr steel insulated door, 15" radius track with 4" drums was installed with non matched springs. One is 36" long and the other is 28". I am looking to put matched springs on it, same length and same wire size. The door weights 250lbs+. I am in a remote area on the East Coast and can do the repair myself. Just want to have a matched set of springs to help with longevity and wear on my garage opener. Any recommendations for proper matched set would be greatly appreciated! Thank you for your time!
Hello. Based on the details of your garage door you might want to look for a pair of .225 wire springs. As for the diameter and length ... you could look at the 1 3/4"by 30 to 33 long.
I have a single torsion spring and it lasted 8 yrs 10 months. It snapped while closed and not in use. We heard a loud bang as though something hit the house and we discovered the garage door would not go up. Do I need to upgrade my spring?
I measured and weighed my door. 16x7 @ 225 lbs. Non-insulated with upper strut. Currently have dual springs .225 x 1-3/4 x 29. The right one snapped last night. These seem to be the correct spring rated at 115 lbs each x 2 = 230 lbs. I did have trouble balancing the door a few years ago. When it was balanced at 3' and 5' the garage door opener couldn't close it. I then realized that the door has to be heavy enough to wind the spring as it goes down. Is there a better spring rate? Should I go up or down? I'm considering 110 lbs .225 x 2 x 27. Thanks.
@@Wlgfande Thanks for the reply. I used an online spring calculator and ended up ordering 234-2-31 which has the same spring rate as the original 225-1.75-29. I read the spring rate should match the door weight. Hopefully this is correct and I can get the door properly balanced.
@@sosgds I will report back after I get them installed. I found information regarding "stretching" the spring before you tighten the cone set screws. I guess it kind of makes sense that as you wind the spring, it maybe shortens very slightly. If you lock it down at that length, then the spring may not unwind properly to its original length? I watched a guy tap on the winding rod to "stretch" the spring before tightening the cone set screws. Not sure this is standard practice in the industry and I don't see anyone else doing this.
@@sosgds Well I finally got the door balanced and working after much effort. The 234-2-31 are working at 7 turns (replacing 225-1.75-29) but only after I did some work to my door. I replaced the quick turn low headroom top hinges for standard adjustable top bracket hinges. I believe my trouble was caused by the quick turn hinges. It seems the door would not close properly because the top section of the door was laying too flat due to the quick turn hinges and not providing enough weight on the door during its last 1-2 feet of movement. My garage door opener would bind and go into reverse. After replacing the quick turn hinges with standard adjustable top brackets I was able to better balance my door and it now closes. I believe the standard top brackets allow the top section of the door to be in a more vertical position allowing it to apply more weight on the door. Never thought it would be this difficult to solve the balancing issue.
Great informative video Santiago! I have a 7' x 16' stanley wooden garage door with a pair of .25 x 1.75 x 39" galvanized springs. They're a bit old and seem to be losing strength so I had bumped them up to 30 winds from 28. However, it is no longer correctly balanced as it takes a lot of force to close the door when it is fully open. Shall I just replace with same springs or do you recommend something different? Thanks in advance!!
Thanks for such informative video. I have a question. I have the same garage door thats on your video, it came with 207x1 3/4 x 23. Can I use 225x2x27? Thank you.
Hello. So just to be 100% clear. You have a non insulated garage door with no windows? And you have that exact door it has a pair of .207 1 3/4" 23" springs?
@@israela8667 Excellent. So based on your comments about your specific garage door I believe the the 225 by 2 by 27 spring is two strong. I would look for a 225 by 2 by 30 or 225 by 1 3/4 by 34" long. Hope this helps.
Hello. Thank you for your question. Just so that way I'm clear and what you're asking. You want to know what is the best position of putting on the torsion springs?
This I a Perfect VIdeo. I enjoyed it. I have two 8x7 garage doors that I want to Convert into One DOuble 17x7 I already measured the span. One option Im thinking about is to Build A Garage door out of 2x4s Im wondering if I do that and the total Weight is 400 lbs what Torsion spring setup would you recommend.
That's a big task but attainable. Springs for a 400 lbs door will be based on drums and track assembly. I don't care for heavy doors. But if your goal is have an insulated door with high R value, then you want at least a 250 or 262 wire. As for the length you need more information on the door configuration.
Great, informative video. I have a 16’ x 9’ insulated, steel backed garage door. There is no label so I am unsure of the manufacturer or model number. What springs would you recommend for this door given the limited information? I would really appreciate some help. It has proven extremely difficult to find accurate information for this door size and have already been led astray.
I have an 18 x 7 foot Overhead Door brand, not sure of model or age or if original springs. The left wound spring is broken with markings, 225 x 2 x 26. The right wound spring looks like (red) 225 x 1 7/8 x 28. I weighed garage and got 101 lbs. So would I double weight to 202 lbs to get accurate weight? Also has 12 inch track radius. What 10k option and higher cycle options do you reccomend. Thanks Santiago!
Mr Santiago I've watched several of your videos recently I want to thank you for your valuable information. However what I'm not finding on your videos or anyone else's is how do you determine the spring you need if the reason you need a new spring is because you added insulation, hurricane bars, locks, several layers of paint and who knows what the doors greatly increasing the weight. In other words if all I know is the weight and size of the door how do I determine what torsion spring I need?
Years ago I replaced a torsion spring that was a single spring on my garage door with a pair of springs. I picked up at a hardware store. Unclear as to what I was putting on it seem to work well for about the last 10 years. Now that I watch all these videos, I’d like to make sure that I am getting in fact the right springs now for the garage door since one has already broken. The video does not address How to choose a proper spring if you don’t have the proper spring on the door. What is your advice on that?
Thank you for sharing your experience. What can you tell me about the garage door? What brand or company of door is it? When I am looking for springs on a new door I am specifically looking for the following: Make Model Composition Size Weight Track Configuration And any added support struts to the door. So for context here's how I would apply this guide: Make: Wayne Dalton Door Model: 9100 Composition: Insulated door with no windows Size: 16 wide by 7 tall Weight: 127 lbs Track configuration: Standard 12" track Now as for the last part, any added strut supports, can be a bit tricky. Mainly because this door will come with a standard 3" strut for the top section. Thus you want to factor any additional struts when that could add extra weight. If there are no additional supports then this step can be omitted. So for the garage door just mentioned above, a pair of 207 by 1 3/4" by 33 long springs would work perfectly.
Hate to admit it bc I can’t afford it and my door is down… but you absolutely pay for the knowledge for people like you.. I’m still gonna do it myself bc I have to but needing the info on the springs thank You
Hi! Great video! I need a little help determining the springs (pair) I need. One side just broke. I’m the second owner of my house and I don’t want to assume the springs installed are appropriate because I’m not sure they are original. My door was originally installed in 2006 and is 7’x18’, 18 gauge steel, no windows, no insulation, no locks or custom add-on features, the 4 panels are 21” tall. Not sure of the curve but it is pretty large, maybe 14”. When unwound the current spring size (pair, black color metal) is .224 1.75” 28” according to the information painted on the coils. The closest I have been able to find is .225 1.75” 28” but they seem to be out of stock. Any help is greatly appreciated!
Hello! Thank you for reaching out. It's possible you have a Mesa garage door. They offer odd size springs sometimes. But based on the information you provided I would go with the .225 wire by 1.75 by 28. Yet, if you want to get a little more cycle life you can go with a pair of .234 by 1.75 by 33 long springs. Hope this helps.
Hi good information I want to know my garage door spring brook so I measured its 225x2x28, so my garage door size is 16x7 steel insulated 8300, my question is is this right size off spring? And what other size I can use?
Great. What kind of springs do u think my door needs. It’s a 9 by 7 Garaga door traditional raised panel stealback door with polyurethane insulation with insulated windows. I have had people tell me I need a pair of 207 wire and a single 243 wire which kinda confuses me since there’s so much to choose from
Yikes! Well the 207 springs would not best for an insulated door. Do you know how thick the door is? Do you know if the door has additional struts? Do you know if the manufacture of the door? What springs does the door have now?
@@sosgds it currently has extension springs and I want to convert it to torsion as I hear it’s much better. The door brand is garaga and it’s a Canadian manufacturer that they sell in MA. There’s only one strut at the top
@@bostonelevatorsaviation wow. Well if you have a 2 in thick steel back insulated door polyurethane a pair of 243 37s might work. Usually on polyurethane doors I install 243 and 250. A pair of 250 39s are common for steel back.
Hello. Is that an insulated garage door? It's not common to have a 10 foot wide by 8 foot tall door that weighs 170lbs. That's usually a weight for a 16 foot wide by 8 foot wide non insulated garage door. Can you confirm if the door is insulated?
Hello. That is common. You can adjust the force to the motor. That should give it strength to close. Or you can take a quarter turn off each spring. This will adjust the balance. Yet overtime the strength of the springs will loosen and the door should close easily with gravity.
@@sosgds Thank you for the advice but this motor uses an "Auto adjustment system" that adjust in the first open and close BUT if the door can't close by itself how it will adjust 😂 and yes I tried loosing it a turn but then is not enough to make the door go up. 😭
I'm having to replace a spring on a 9ft wide insulated door. Spring had the yellow paint on it. No info on the spring or door so by measuring i came up with a 207 x 20" x 2". I hope it works it should be here by Friday.
Great tips. As a garage door tech I've gotten in the habit of when working on garage doors I'll put a tag on the spring mount that identifies what the springs are and when they where installed. This saves both me and the customer time and gives a better understanding on how long the springs last.
Currently having trouble in finding torsion spring for 7 x 16 door , 255 lbs insulated garage door. Previous owner !I think has a 207x2x20. I felt this was not strong enough to hold at half open. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks
I measured 20 coils and it is 4 3/8 and on the chart says I need a .218 spring. All the companies that quote me say I need a .207 spring. My door is 16x7 top row windows non insulated.
Hello! Yes they might want to offer you a 207 but tell that you want a 218 wire spring for higher cycles. They should be able to accommodate you. If not find a contractor that will.
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Can you please point me to law which prohibits people in california to buy torsion spring and no do DIY install? we have many store that sell these to common public where we live and no contractor license is needed around here to buy those !
January 22, 2024
October 30th 2024, I can buy torsion springs from Lowes in Northridge, CA. I am not a contractor, nor do I pretend to be one. I guess they don't know about this law either.
This was extremely informative. There are probably a lot of guys, just like me, here not willing to pay the local shop +$800 to replace a broken torsion spring, but are also know if they're going to do it themselves, you've got to get it right. I greatly appreciate the existence of this video. Liked and sub'd.
From what i understand higher gauge allows for a high cycle spring. You can account for length and winds based on the garage door weight but my main question here is at what point can too little winds effect the performance? Say i have a 180-200lb garage door, i currently have dual .218 32" springs. I want a high cycle so i go up to .243 38". From what i calculated anywhere from 2-4 quarter turns less should work but at what point is it a disservice?
Hello. Great question. Now if you could elaborate a bit, what can you tell me about your garage door? Is it insulated? Does the garage door have windows? What brand of garage door do you own?
Additionally, do you know the inner spring diameter? Do you know if it's a 2" or 1 3/4"?
@@sosgds I'm not sure on which brand, but its a 4250 panels non-insulated 25 Ga. Steel. and no windows. Garage door is 16' x 7'. Springs are 2" ID.
I plan on doing a DIY insulation method which will be about another 15-20 lbs
@@2mustange Thanks for sharing those details. Unfortunately I don't think the 243 38's are what you need. Based on the information you provided, you should look at a 243 54 long springs.
In California and purchased my torsion springs from Home Depot. Not sure why you said we cannot purchase them.
Hello! Fascinating. Was this at the Home Depot location or online?
Did they require a local installer to have the work done for you? What area of CA are we talking about?
@@sosgds the springs I needed were not in stock. Ordered online. No local installer needed. SF Bay Area
Interesting. Yes you can order springs online. Yet no manufacturer or distributor in CA will sell springs to the public. Thus I am always intrigued to hear when a customer can acquire springs out the local channels. Did you install them yourself? What did you pay for them, if I may ask?
@@sosgds No worries, I think the spring set was around $100 and another $18 for the winding rods. Not sure if that’s the right term. I installed them reluctantly as everyone said it’s very dangerous, but the local installer quotes were more than $500
My respect to you. It can be a dangerous process but not impossible. But yes springs can be purchased online thru Amazon and other outlets. I wasn't aware HD offered them. The only springs they carry in the store are extension springs. Thank you for sharing your story!
excellent video, and much appreciated followed all your advice and learned my garage door was improperly set up which led to a broken spring…was able to purchase 2 upgraded springs and collars and all the proper tools for $145.00 and two hours of my time and saved myself $1300.00 plus I gave myself a lifetime warranty.
I don't know jack for garage doors as I'm researching to replace my spring with an alternative, and after 12seconds I figured .250x32! Still a little off yet think I'm learning a lot! Bless this man and him sharing his knowledge!!
Really good spoke person, and presented with clarity and concise knowledge. Thanks for the information.
Hello! Thank you for your feedback!
I have a 7x16 uninsulated door and I'm not sure if the old torsion springs are correct they are 218x1.75x25 pair. Are these the right spring? And is there other that would work better for this configuration? Thx
Hello. Great question. It will depend if you have a steelback insulated door or a vinyl back (aka. polyback) insulated garage door. The vinyl back insulated door will have visible insulation. In fact, it will have the look of styrofoam. The steelback insulated garage door is concealed thus the insulation is not visible. Additionally, the steelback insulated door will seem solid.
The 218 by 1 3/4" 25 can be applied to a steelback door depending on the thickness of the door. Yet you can consider a high cycle spring in the .234 or .243 wire size. The length will depend again of the thickness of the door and the type of insulation. Hope this helps!
@@sosgds apologize but after I sent the original text I realized that it auto corrected I actually have an uninsulated door would you be able to give me instructions for that please
Ah! Of course. The springs might be a bit strong. How's the balance to your garage door? Does it seem light? Does it seem heavy?
Hey Santiago, I have a single car garage door that is 30 years old. No windows but it is insulated and the back is not steel. It’s a foam material. The right wound spring snapped and I need to replace it. From what I can read on the spring I have one .225x2x27. Is that the correct spring to use on this door? The other question I have is if I cannot find a right wound spring but can easily find a left would spring, can I just replace the spring and move the new one the the right side? Thanks for your help!
Hello Pete. Thanks for the question. You can definitely go with a new .225 2" by 27. Or you can also go with a .225 1 3/4" by 30. Now to be completely clear, you only have one springs on this garage door correct? It's a single car door correct?
@@sosgds Yes that’s correct, sir. That being said if I can’t find a left wound spring at the big box store but they do have a right wound, am I able just to switch the spring to the other side as long as it’s the correct spring? Thanks for your help!
Yes correct. A right wound spring should do the trick! Hope it all works out. Stay safe!
Hey, I just had my garage door spring swapped. But the end that is attached seems to be raised more so than the other end that seems more flatter. Is this normal? I asked the installer why that was and he said he did it to reduce friction and make it last longer, but I'm wondering if this is actually the opposite
Hello. Thanks for the question.
Could you be a bit more specific about what seems 'raised more so than the other end' and the other 'seems more flatter?
You can also email pictures.
@@sosgds It looks like the end of the coil is slightly raised so there's a slight raised jump at one end that extends for about 1 foot and then the rest of it is flat/parallel. What's your email address i can send pictures.
@@shipwreck8847 Here is a link on the many ways you can contact us.
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Thanks for the video, the spring on my door are .243 2 28, I made mistake and bought .243 2 33, does that matter ? Thanks
Hello! Very good question.
What can you tell me about the garage door?
What is the exact size or dimensions?
What brand of garage door do you own?
7 x 16 , brand Overhead Door
And you had a pair of these springs? .243 2 28?
Yes
I made a mistake and I measured them with tension and it measured 33 and 28 without
I have a Wayne Dalton insulated double door spring broke only had a single spring operation .250×1.75×35 is this the correct setup? Thanks
Hello! Yes, that is a common spring size on their 8500 model garage door. You should be ok going with the same size. Hope this helps.
I was hoping you would provide a method to calculate what torsion spring size you need if the existing springs on your door are incorrect, as was the case in your double door example. Do you have another video on how to do that?
Not sure he wants to do that since most of his video's exclude that information. However one can infer that a standard non insulated 16x7 door would need two 207x1.75x25 springs or two 218x1.75x31 springs...if I have my info correct from his video's
@@cryhavoc38 i got a pair of 205/2/25, they are not right for it, I think I have to go higher, my problem is that my old torsion springs that were there when au moved were two different once, one seems to be 250/2/30 and the other one seems to be 243/2/30 and I’m not sure which one to pick, and this video seems to have confused me even more, it’s saying that the 243/2/30 are not the right ones..
He never gices that informatoin. All you need is width, height of the door and weight of the door. using this you can find out easily what spring size is neeeded. he is so stupid that he will not reveal any of that info.
I have a Clopay, model 4050, 16 x 8 , 1& 38", insulated steel back garage door. One panel has eight 10" x 18" single pane windows. It has a 234-2-28 spring on the right, and a 218-2-24.5 on the left. The smaller spring has broken twice in the last 5 years. Is my installer installing the correct springs. Thanks
Hello. Based on what you mentioned I would say your installer should offer you a higher cycle spring. I would actually apply two .234 wire by 1 3/4" diameter by 31" long springs on your door.
@@sosgds Thanks for responding.
Thank you for your video.
I have to replace the broken spring in my garage. The broken spring was installed by the house builder and only installed one spring, which measures .243" x 2" x 28".
What size spring would you recommend for my garage door which is a simple 16' x 7' without insulation or windows.
I bought a pair of .250" x 1.75" x 33" but seems to be the the wrong size. Too much power once I adjusted with 31 quater turns on each spring.
Thanks for any future replies.
Hello. If the garage door is too strong opening then the springs are overpowered. A literal conversion of your 243 wire spring would translate to a 250 x 1.75 x 36. Do you happen to have a Wayne Dalton door?
@@sosgds
Hello,
I do have a Wayne Dalton garage door. I could not find lable in the garage that gives the information of the door. I ended up returning the springs I ordered and now I am waiting for a new set with measurements. 243" x 2" x 28". I hope these new set is the right choice. What do you think?
I got a bare 16x7 door from my neighbor I am trying to find all the hardware I needs. HD has a kit with hinges and rollers and such but no tracks or torsion tube. Know any suppliers that sell those to retail customers in So Cal? I am in Azusa close to you.
Hello Sam. Shoot me an email. I would love to be able to help you out.
I have a 16'x7' ReliaBilt insulated door with windows in two of the 4 panels. Best we can figure, the door weighs 100 lbs. The track has 12" radius curves and cable reels are 4-inch diameter. Garage door opener is a 14 year-old Horman Model 5500. The original springs broke a while ago and I have replaced them with a pair of 2"x 2.25 x 27" springs. The door works but requires detailed tweaking in order for the opener to be able to fully open and close the door without the excessive force cut out kicking in. The garage is the primary entry to our house and it gets opened and closed several times per day. It seems that the springs are breaking on a fairly frequent basis. Do I have the right springs for this door?
Thanks for the question. I could be that you are just going thru the cycle life quickly. The springs you have installed will offer at least 10K cycles.
What type of insulated garage door is it?
Is it steel back insulated or vinyl back insulation?
When was the last time you had the springs replaced?
@@sosgdsThank you very much for your quick reply and your help to so many of us. It is a four panel steel back insulated door sold by ReliaBilt. The two top panels have four panes of glass across them. We tried to weigh it several times and came up with 100 lbs though it feels heavier than that. I have tried to adjust the sensitivity of the opener and may need to further adjust them. Springs are lasting about two years each. Previously, I had 24-inch springs in place and just now replaced both springs with a pair of 27-inch 2 x 2.25 inch springs. Finally, the door is equiped with drill operated winding mechanism with instructions to "stretch" the spring 2 1/2 inches when setting the other end then winding the spring to initially stretch it out which takes place before the chain starts to be twisted. I can vary the amount of stretch by adjusting where the other end is clamped to the rod. Any and all suggestions are much appreciated.
Very interesting.
You said that the two top panels have four pane glass across.
Thus does your garage door have 8 glass pane windows in total?
As for the drill spring mechanism, does it look like the one here in the link from Home Depot?
www.homedepot.com/p/Clopay-EZ-Set-Torsion-Conversion-Kit-for-9-ft-x-7-ft-Garage-Doors-134-lbs-155-lbs-LW-YELLOW-A-9/207135206
@@sosgds yes, it has a double row of four glass panes in each of the top two panels.
I have an 18x8 standard non-insulated door with single pane windows on the top panel. There in not a manufacturer sticker anywhere on this door. The spring on the left side of the center bracket is broken. Is the left side spring a right-hand wind? The size printed on it is .225x2"x27", is that the right size?
Hello Justin! Yes the left side, red cone spring, is the right wound spring. If your springs are original to this door, then a new pair of .225 by 2 by 27 is perfectly fine. Or you could go for a pair of .225 by 1 3/4¨ by 30" long should work nicely.
Good video have question. My door is 18 x 7 wayne dalton no insulated no windows .which spring is for this one ?thanks.
Sorry is 16 x 7
Hello! You should be good with a pair of 207 by 1 3/4" by 25 or 26 long springs. If a pair is not available, then a single 250 by 1 3/4" by 33 long should also work.
Please help, my garage door is clopay. Both springs are broken, spring size is (wire size .225, length is 23.5 and 2 inch diameter) and garage door is 7 * 16 foot.
what spring size should I buy to get better cycles.
It sounds like you have a steelback garage door from Clopay. I would consider going with a pair of .243 wire by 1.75 diameter at 38" long. That should provide at least 20K cycles.
@@sosgds Thankyou
When a spring is wound up does the inside diameter get smaller?
Excellent question! Yes it does. In fact, the spring will stretch forward about 2 inches thus closing up or shortening the diameter.
Got same length torsion spring and followed the steps; but issue I see is garage door only lift up till 1 foot , stay stuck and does not move up regardless how much manual lift force I put in (in manual mode). please guide. I tried going up to 33 quarter turns (16.5 half turns) as 31 or 30 turns was not helping, rotation was clock wise for 33 quarter turns.. my old part was 218 wire x 29 long spring and new one is 225 wire and 29 long spring.
Hello. I don't think the new springs (.225 - 29's) are rated for your garage door. Do you the diameter size of the springs?
We have a Wayne Dalton 16 by 8 and by 8 insulated roll up door the torsion Springs broke and my son through the originals away.. How can I order new Springs without the originals. thank you
Hello! Do you know the model of your Wayne Dalton 16 by 8 door? Is it insulated? Does it have windows? Do you know if it's the model 8000? Or perhaps it's the 9100?
Hi, I have a Windsor Door model 530, house is mid 80's in age, and the door is 7'x16' steel, non insulated, no windows, very plain, with regular rails. I have a spring that is 218 x 2 x 26, that has broken twice, last time 13 years ago. Would you please recommend the torsion springs best suited for this door, for left and right???
The broken spring has the following...."Torque force 10", while the good spring has "Torque force 12".....not sure what that means. Thank you!
Hello. Thanks for your question. It's possible that your garage door goes through a number of cycles throughout the day. Additionally, springs will break for a number of factors aside from the wear and tear throughout the years. Thus if you are looking to achieve a higher cycle count ask for a 225 or 234 wire springs. They will usually yield higher cycle life. Hope this helps.
@@sosgds Thank you for replying, Sir! If I use the 225 or 234, how long of a spring should I buy? Does that matter a lot? Like 26”, 30”, 35”? Thanks!!
It will all depend on your garage door. Based on your original comment you mentioned that your garage door was non insulated. But according to Windsor sit this is an insulated garage door. Can you confirm.
Perhaps you could send me a full view picture of your garage door from the inside? sosgdoservice@gmail.com
@@sosgds I will send you a picture tonight, thanks for the help!
There are just so many varieties of springs, but no clear guide as to what each measurement does in relation to the door. Like more horsepower, means faster car, but on the springs a layman is just lost in the forest 🌳.
One of my springs broke. I have two .207 x 1 3/4 x 20 on it now. Its a 16 x 7 non-insulated aluminum door. Its seems to struggle a bit to open. If I went up to a 25 from a 20 would it help?
Hello. Thank you for your question. Does your door have windows. If so perhaps a pair of .218 by 1 3/4" by 29 might offer better balance.
@@sosgds Thats what I bought and it worked great
Thanks for the info. This is a Great video. I have a 16x7 wood door. probably water logged but still straight. One spring broke (a .225 x 2" x 26") and I was considering installing slightly larger springs. Perhaps a .234 x 2" x 28". Would this be wise or should I just replace with the same size?
Thanks for the feedback! And thank you for your question.
Do you happen to know the weight of the garage door?
Are the current .225 wire springs original to the garage door?
Can you confirm the size of the non broken torsion spring?
@sosgds thank you for responding. No I don't know the weight. And yes this is the size of the original springs. About 40 years old. Door always seemed heavy to lift. Again thank you.
Also, with just one spring I can hardly lift it by myself and I am a strong guy.
Thank you.
If the door is heavy as you say then it should be seen by a garage door professional. Even with the strongest opener, a garage door system will fail if the door is not properly maintained.
Additionally, the openers in the video all have metal and plastic materials. Yet they provide a similar level of reliability.
@@sosgds Thank You🙂
@@sosgds Thank you so much for all the info on your videos. I went ahead and took a chance on the heavier springs. I started with 7 full turns and it worked fine but still a little heavy for my wife. So I added one more full turn and it is really smooth. For the first time in years the opener isn't screaming when it opens. I also replaced all the rollers. Thanks again.
Hi I have a pair of spring 207 x 2 x 22 can install 207 x 2 x 24 or 25 on the length? The door 15 feet by 7 non insulated no windows, cant believe is so heavy without the spring brand United door technologies.
Hello Francisco. Yes you should be able to apply those springs. You might apply an additional turn to achieve better balance. Start with 28 quarter turns. Check your balance, then apply any additional quarter turns for optimal performance.
Thank you for answering my question.
Chinno, I have a question about garage door motor. Currently the motor is a 1/2 HP.
Is a double car door. Two torsion springs 16x7 Wayne Dalton foamcore model 37 has 7 cross braces.
The motor was installed 2005 ad still works. I sence a little strain when operating both open and close.
Question, when I do replace the motor, should I get the same 1/2 or should I get a 3/4 hp?
Hello! Yes I would definitely go with a stronger motor. Are you in an area where there's high winds or hurricanes?
@@sosgds thanks for ur reply. You guest right. I live in Florida. 🤣😂😁
Great! I would confidently suggest going with a 3/4 hp AC motor. It should have the guts to get your heavy door up.
Question if I may (I installed, and have original tags from springs).. I have a Home Depot Clopay uninsulated 10x10, 12" radius track (2 springs first - orange 2" 0192 x 2" x 24" and 2nd yelloow .207 x 2" x 31") Door weight from Clopay is 148lbs. Looking to add approx.18-24lbs of insulation materials to the door, and not change both springs if possible. What 2" spring could I add to the yellow 31" .207 to allow the extra weight? Been trying to get information from Clopay without much luck. Thank you.
Hello. Thanks for the question. You could simply with a 207 2" 31" on the other side. But if you wanted high cycles then a .218 2" by 40 long might a spring to consider.
How do you tell if your spring is a "high cycle" spring. Is that the upper limit of whatever color you have? So I have gold springs..... Would I want to have the .462 over the .177's (on the DASMA chart) to have a high cycle spring?
Hello. Very good questions. In theory, you would definitely want a .462 spring over a .177 ... but only if our garage door is a heavily insulated commercial grade door.
A high cycle spring should always be configured based on the weight and size of the garage door. Do you know the brand of door you have? Are you familiar with the weight of your garage door?
@@sosgds
I believe it is heavily insulated. Don't know the weight... but it is very very heavy. Have 32-34" gold springs on currently. Nothing broken... Just wondering if the technician put on high cycle. I'll change them myself next time.
A great primer on this topic. Is there a chart available which explains which type of door would need what size spring. Thanks.
I'm working on it!
Great video. Liked! Question using your example of standard Wayne Dalton 8000 uninsulated 16x8 garage door. You said 250x2x30 or 250x1.75x33. Well I have this exact setup with 250x1.75x33 and I can't find find exact replacement spring from Dura-Lift or DDM. Closest 2" ID spring is 250x2x33 (not 30). I can't find any info online to say if that will work. Any thoughts? Just looking for 2cents.
Thanks for your question.
I would try to find a 29 or 31 in the 2" diameter i.d. If you are not able to find that size, consider looking for a pair of 207 by 1.75 by 26's.
I have a spring that broke my door had (2) 250 by 2” by like 29” springs but being in Texas I have hurricane bars on the back of the door which makes the door very heavy. I got the springs replace and when they replace them they put (1) 250 and (1) 262. Prior to this my door as it was lower manually it would want to run down so I have to guide it all the way down or it will slam down, now it needs to be guided but it stops at the point you stop pulling on it to bring it down or pushing up to open which I like. My question is, is it ok that they put two different size springs. Also the guy said the spring that did not brake had 34 turns which would have been the adjustment for a 8 1/2 door and my door is only 7’. Now my second question is that why the door was not balance because the original springs were too tight?
Great questions!
1. Is it ok that they put two different size springs?
Yes, if the springs properly balance your garage door. From your comment, it seems that the balance is stronger if you are having to pull down with effort in order to close the garage door.
2. Why the door was not balance because the original springs were too tight?
It's possible the springs at a time did balance the garage door but over time they lost their strength.
I have a 18x7 garage insulated heavy door. A spring broke so I am replacing both. They currently are 30x225x2. What upgraded size can I use. I don't think they are original. No label on the door. Has windows and styrofoam insulation. What do you recommend . Ty
Hello. A pair of .243x2x44 might be worth considering. Consult your local dealer installer to be sure.
Question. Can I put 2 .207x2x25 springs to replace a single .250x2x28 setup on a plain shell 7x16 door?
Hello. They should work but you might have to apply a turn or two for proper balance. I would suggest the 207 1 3/4 25.
what would you suggest for this same door, but if it were insulated?
Hello. Can you elaborate on your particular door? Is it a Wayne Dalton door?
@@sosgds thanks for your reply. I had some pro's come out. Went w/ a single spring to save some money knowing I'll be replacing the door in a few years.
I want to upgrade my torsion springs. I have a Wayne Dalton 9100 (4 panel - 16' wide). The "Torquemaster" system that came with the door...was replaced about 4 years ago (8 years old when it broke). It was replaced with dual torsion springs .218 wire, 1.75 ID and 26" length. Now...one spring broke after 4 years. I am not sure these were the correct springs to begin with...as it is a VERY Heavy door...but I definitely want to upgrade to a proper, more durable spring. Can you tell me what sizes you would suggest?
Hello! Wow that is strange. A pair of 218 by 1 3/4" by 26 should have worked fine. Normally I would have used a pair of 207 aby 1.75 by 33s. Yet it might be possible you have the 9600 or 9605 door which is steel back. Does you door have windows?
Broke a torsion spring today after 22 yrs. Have a builders grade Amarr 16x7 2 car door w/ windows and insulation. Have 2 springs .207x2x20. Would like a recommendation on an up grade or equivalent pair of springs.
Hello. I think we spoke earlier. Hope the springs I suggested work out. Stay safe.
So my spring has red paint on the spring so I think I now know which spring to order. My door (1974) has only one spring on the left side and i think by getting two springs, left and right will help keep the door more balanced? Hopefully the pair can be bought in oil tempered? My new 3/4 hp opener should work perfectly after new springs are installed!
I had to take a sliver off a couple of the inside of the cones with a a 1/2 inch drill in order for the 16 inch winding bars to fit-- is that bad of ok?
Good question. That's not an ideal choice, yet if you were able to fit the winding bar then you should be ok.
Not as helpful as I had hoped. My springs were way undersized from the installer. I have a similar door as the one shown, stamp steel non insulated 18' x 7', but have always had to lift with at least a 60 pound manual assist. I need to upgrade the size but can't find the proper size. Where can I find the proper size for my door? Thanks
Hello! Thank you for reaching out. Could you share with me more information about your garage door?
What brand of garage door do you own?
You had mentioned the size of the garage door 18' wide by 7' tall. Can you confirm if the door is true 18' or 18'6"?
What track assembly do you have on your garage door? (for example: 12" track? Low head track?
Does your garage door have any other modifications or perhaps windows?
@@sosgds Brand - Overhead
True 18' x 7', 4 sections with three struts and lock. Track is not a 1/4 circle radius but more of a quarter oval shape, 8' ceiling so I guess low head track, door is close to ceiling when opened. No windows but I did add some foam board that couldn't weight more than 5 to 10 pounds. Model # 1311180021800000, Sect 311 . INT . 08E . 18'0 x 21 . WHT Thanks for the reply, hope that helps. I am just adding an opener, it's been manual until now.
This is good information.
So the best thing to do at this point is to weigh the garage door.
But if that is not easy to do at the moment we can deduce from a similar door the weight. For example: The Wayne Dalton model 8000 18x7 garage door without windows weighs 198 lbs. If you add one strut, that's an additional 10-12 lbs. So three additional struts should take your garage door to about 230 lbs.
Now if you added the insulation that could easily take the door weight up to 270 lbs. potentially.
Does this scenario seem to apply to your garage door?
@@sosgds That helps a lot, thanks. One more question, you've been so kind! Mine uses two springs and the chart I've seen showing weight doesn't say if that weight is per spring or per pair. If it's per spring, I should double it to get the right weight rating? Also, what contributes more to strength, the wire diameter, or the length of the coil? I am looking at using 2 - 0.250 x 2" x 39" and wondering if I should go shorter?
Thank you for your kind words.
Can you tell me what size of torsion springs right now?
Do you know the wire gauge, diameter, and length of the current springs?
My door is wood, and its 38 years old. No tag indicating it's brand. Non insulated originally, but I insulated it with 1" foam board. The springs were worn out when I bought the house, now with the insulation I need new springs. How do I determine what I need? I see 1 of the springs is broken, and doubtful they are the correct springs.
Hello. Good question. The best way to tackle your garage door spring replacement will be by weighing the garage door. Once you know the door weight, then you can calculate the door size along with the track radius to find the right springs.
@@sosgds Thank you. I'll put a bathroom scale under it.
My door spring broke and I could only find a spring that is around 3" longer. The inner diameter is correct and the gauge is correct but the springs overall length is a little longer, how will this affect my door ? I had the original spring and it was 24 years old so I got my money le worth from the original and it must have been a good size for it ?
Hello Edward. The spring length will require that you add a turn or two when winding. The longer your spring is the more IPT (inch per turn) it will require. Thus they might not balance your door perfectly but they should be close to perfect with a little tweaking.
I realize this an older video, but if you are still checking comments, I have a question. My 7'x18' garage door has a sticker on both outside edges. It shows: 18x21 WO# 8816-42, Regal/WH BLB, Atlanta Door Pensicola, Zone ADC 4/26/04. Does any of that information help with sizing my springs?
Great question.
What are you looking to accomplish with your 18 wide by 7 tall garage door?
What can you tell us about the type of garage door you own?
Is the garage door insulated or non-insulated?
As for the information on the sticker:
18x21 - The dimensions of the sections are 18' wide by 21" tall
WO# 8816-42 - Possibly the work order number your door was placed under.
Regal/WH BLB - Possibly the door model, white color
Atlanta Door Pensicola, Zone ADC - Like the dealer or location of the door mfg.
04/26/04 - Possibly the door mfg date.
All of this information is helpful to a degree. Yet it's vital to know the exact size of the door, the weight of the door, and the type of tracks and drums the door uses.
My guess is you own a Garaga Garage Door. Here is a link to the brochure.
cmsgaraga.garaga.com/Drupal/Architects_DesignCorner/Regal_EN.pdf
I had someone come and look at my broken spring the guy is going from a single spring to 2 different springs one being 218 and the other 234 is this common ?
Hello. It wouldn't necessarily be my first choice but if he is offering a mix configuration it's to help with the counterbalance. Is your garage door insulated?
Thanks for all of your great info here! I’m replacing my torsion springs and the ones I have on there are .207x1.75x27. The door is a McKee Door model 1000 16’x7’ non insulated steel door. The cable drum says dns 4x-8. Can you recommend a replacement spring size? Maybe something with a thicker wire size for a longer life cycle? I’m having a hard time finding a direct replacement of the size I have on there. Any help would be appreciated!
Just weighed my door at 176lbs and did the balance test. With the current springs, the door just falls down so I’m guessing I need some stronger springs. Just don’t know what size would be best?
Try and pair of .218 by 1.75 by 30 long springs. If you can't find that size try a pair of 207 1.75 23 long.
I went with a pair of .207 by 2 by 20. Installed in about a half hour. 29 turns and the door was a little hot so I backed it off about 2 quarter turns and the door was balanced perfectly and now my garage door actually works :) you’re videos have been a big help!
I'm glad I was able to help.
could you compensate by taking a couple 1/4 turns off the spring making the force weaker?
Yes you could. But the balance of the garage door will suffer over time. Poor door balance can also cause problems to your garage door opener motor.
My house is 6 years old. I have a 16' x 8' steel uninsulated garage door that weighs 293.9#. It has 2 torsion springs; .250x2x32 #2 Gold RW & .234x2x28 #2 brown LW. It is lifted by a 1/2 HP operator.
I am in the process of insulating the door. When complete, the door will weigh in at 310.67#.
Will I be able to lift the 310.67# door with the current springs and operator?
Hello. You should be able to utilize the same spring with that additional weight to the door. You're roughly looking about a 10 to 12 lb difference. Nevertheless it will lower the cycle life of your springs. Any added or extra weight to the door will always affect cycle life. So you might see yourself replacing those springs in the near future. Hope this helps.
@@sosgds Hi, I liked your video too much which draw my attention than other videos. I am trying to understand torsion spring size vs door weight rule. Please correct me if I am wrong: In this particular case, the door weight 293.9 lb. while springs installed pulls up 260 lb, (based on DIY site calculator) which means the springs are 34 lb. deficit from the door weight!! My understanding the springs installed are under size and motor is struggling to pull the door up. Please explain if I am wright or wrong? Thanks
I have a 53 year old house with a 16x7 wooden door (heavy). A couple of years ago, the right spring broke and a neighbor replaced it for me with one he had.
Last week the left spring broke. I measured 20 coils, 5 inches. The inside diameter is 2 inches. Both springs match, except length. The left one is 28 inches, the right is 31 inches.
Should I get a scale and weigh the door?
Hello. You should be ok with the longer length. You just might have to add a few more quarter turns. This should help with the balance.
@@sosgds I finally called a professional, they replaced the springs and cables. Had it all done in about an hour.
They charged $320
@@mshadley That's a good deal. I'd be happy with that cost for repair.
This is a great video. Quick question. Does the color of the ends matter if I have the right size? My existing (broken) spring has the size stenciled, and the ends are green. I found the right size, but in brown. Does it matter? The stenciled size reads .243 x 2 x 28. Thanks
Great question. You want to stay with the Green color springs. This is the 243 wire spring. The Brown colored spring is the 234. I know that sounds confusing but in essence you will be going a size down with Brown spring.
Hello. I like how informative you are! I had someone install a new garage door opener and told me i need to go up a size on my springs. He said i have 1 3/4" and need to go up to 2. My garage is 16x7' with Styrofoam insulation. No windows. 2 springs. What size would be good for this door?
Hello! Thank you for your question. For that type of garage door I usually apply a pair of .225 1.75 by 33 torsion springs.
Hey I have a Wayne Dalton 16x8 Mtl door and the balance weight is 276.05. It has two springs and one broke. I purchased 0.250x2x28 springs as replacements. Is that going to work and how many quarter turns do you suggest? Thanks!
Hello! Thank you for your question.
What garage door model did you say you own?
What other info do you have on the Wayne Dalton Mtl door?
How long are the springs you currently have on this garage door?
I have a 16' × 7 that i addad polystyrene insulation in (Styrofoam) no windows. I don't know the brand. The current springs are 218 x24 with 2 in. One of the springs broke after 7 months. Should i make any changes
Hello. Yes the added weight did affect the cycle life to your torsion springs. I would suggest going with a .225 wire springs with a 1 3/4" diameter and 33" long for higher cycles. Hope this helps.
I can’t find the numbers on the spring, how can I determine what size of spring do I need?
Do you happen to see if there's a specific color paint on the actual coils? On the edge of the coils there might be a yellow, or white, or red paint. I'm not talking about the end cones which one side will be red and the other will be black.
Can’t find any 207x2x22 springs is there anything else I can use? I have a 16x7 non insolated
Hello. Yes there is a spring shortage currently. If you have a garage door without windows I would try looking for a single .250 1 3/4" 33 spring. You will only need one spring. One spring can lift the door as two springs. Here's a video where I highlight protips when there are no springs.
ruclips.net/video/r2PpRt9CRyM/видео.html
Here's a curve ball for you....I have 7x9 insulated door that weighs 130 pounds and want to add an 18" high lift as the ceilings are over 9 1/2' tall....with a single torsion spring....what do you reckon would be the best size in this situation? And for an 18" rise, do I need to convert 400-8 to a 400-54 drum?
Hello. That's definitely a curveball. The App I use can engineer the door size and weight. Yet it does not give me an option for 18" high lift. But I can tell you what spring could work for a 15" radius track: 234 2" by 27 long. That is a single spring.
@@sosgds Thanks for your feedback, my intuition tells me 250x2x37 will do the trick...should get to where I need to be under 9 winds. In any case, at the prices I have been quoted, I can afford to make 3 or 4 mistakes and it would still cost me less.
I have a Wayne Dalton 8200 series 10'x8' door that I need to replace the spring on . No numbers on the existing spring. Do you have a recommendation?
7x16 garage door non insulated, I had two different springs, so I’m not sure which was the right one, I checked both one coil seems to be 334 and the other seems to
Be 250, so not sure if I need a pair of 234 or a pair of 250, seeing this video s pair doesn’t seem to be right
Thank you for sharing your question.
What brand of garage door do you own?
What is the weight of your garage door?
How long are both pairs of springs?
Banko model 110RW4, not sure how much it weighs, I try using my scale but I got a different reading each time, I ended up buying 207-2in-25 I tightened the springs probably 40 quarter turns to get it to lift it without it being too heavy. But when I want to close it, it seems too heavy to close.. maybe I did too many turns?
Do I not have the right size springs? Or could it be something else?
Great video and so so helpful in many ways. I had one 250-2-32 tortion spring break. I am now going to replace both I have easy access to a pair of 250-2-33. do you think that extra inch from 32 to 33 will matter?
Hello. No the inch difference should not matter too much.
Is your door insulated? Is it 7x16? I live in FL and I have the added hurricane bars, whatever they are called, I think that adds a lot more weight. If your door is not insulated, no windows and is 7x16 can you please let me know?
Thank you very much for the video mon torsion springs.I did not know about all the different springs.The reason i watched this today is because one of my springs broke today.It is a overhead door that was installed 13 years ago.Guess is was due to break.Will be calling overhead door tomorrow.Thanks again for the valuable info and excellent video.
Hello Wayne! I'm glad the video was help for your needs. Than you for the feedback!
Good video sir. I was hoping you can help me find the right size. My old one snap in the left side, size diameter is .207x2x21. The right side is bigger 243x2x32. I did replaced it w/ 2pair of .218x2x34, didn't work. I went to 243x2x32 but the tensions is too strong. I have 7x16 door. What should you think shall I used. Thank n advance.
Hello. Thank you for your question. What can you tell me about your garage door?
What brand of garage door do you own?
Is your garage door insulated or does it have windows?
Insulated. The yellow tags show Northwest Door.
7foot high and weight between 210-217 lbs. Radius is 12inch and drum size was 4inch. Hope this will help. Thanks for reply.
I would consider a pair of 234 by 1.75 diameter by 33" long. Did the 243 by 32 work for you?
I'm not sure my garage door has the correct spring size, one side just broke and I'm trying to determine what size I should purchase. My garage door is a 7' x 18' non-insulated with a row of windows and 3 horizontal supports, What would be your recommendation?
Hello. Thank you for your question.
How much does your garage door weigh?
What is the gauge of your garage door?
What brand of garage door do you own?
What's the right springs for a wayne dalton 8000 16x7, standard door. The guy put two different color springs, and it's out of balance.
Hello. I've used a pair of .207 wire x 1 3/4" x 26 long.
wouldn't it also depend on how many turns you wind it up to
Hello MR XOTIC. It would but if you have the proper springs then all you have to worry about is the door height. If too many turns are applied to the springs it will throw off the balance.
Also depends on the weigh of the door
I think this is a huge impact
Is there a chart/calculator that shows all spring configurations thay would be compatible with an existing spring?
Hello! Yes there is!
www.servicespring.com/dasma-color-codes-for-garage-door-springs/
I have a side lift wall mount opener and they put springs 26 and 30 x 225. not problems but had first spring fail on the 26" and wondering if that is common to have different springs on the door.. I have 4 more doors to watch out for breaking now after this one.
Thanks
Wayne
Hello. Not usually. But I would have chosen a pair 225 by 30 long springs. It also depends on the type of door you have. Additionally, if you have a high lift track assembly then they would have also gone with a mixed configuration. There are several variables to account for.
I have 23" springs on my Clopay non-insulated 16x7 garage door. The person who installed it damaged the tube (bending it out of round) by over tightening.
Is it okay to use a 25" replacement spring (.218 wire thickness and 2" ID) to avoid the damaged area of the tube??
Hello. Yes you'd be ok doing that. Torsion tubes are resilient. But if I may, I would recommend going with a .218 wire 1 3/4" diameter 29 long if your garage door has windows. If your garage door does not have windows go with a 218 1 3/4" 31 springs.
Agreed Oil tempered for sure . Galvanized just loses its tension too quickly
Hello sir. You seem very knowledgeable. I know this is a longshot but i am going to try anyway. I have a wayne dalton door. Its either a 19006 or 19096. I cant make out the tag. Its a 16x7 (thin) insulated door. It weighs around 135lbs. I cant find anyone that can tell me what springs I need, could you help me out?
Also, its a standard 12" radius track as well.
Current door has .207-2-24”
But the closest match I can find at store is .218-2-22”
Can I use these?
Hello. Based on your original spring size a pair of 207 1 3/4" 26 or 27 be a closer conversion. If you are able to find a .218 wire, then a pair of 218 2" diameter by 29" - 30" or a 218 with a 1 3/4" diameter by 31" long would be a closer conversion.
Yet, this all based off of the information of your current door springs. Without knowing all the details of your garage door these are simply suggestions.
I installed the .218x2x22. Seems balanced. But I’d order different springs and redo it if you think it’s unsafe
@@bjdickman if your door is not too heavy or if it's not too light then you should be okay. What you want to achieve is just proper balance. So you may not have to make the change.
Thank you!
What's a 16×7 on a wayne dalton 8000?
The model 8000 garage door from Wayne Dalton is a standard 25 gauge door in most track homes.
I’ve got a 16x7 non insulated Wayne Dalton with no windows... The sheet attached to the door is barely visible but states .243 x 2 x 30 (I think it’s 30)..
I can’t find the exact replacement.
Any suggestions would be amazing!
Hello. If you find a pair of .207 1 3/4" diameter by 30 to 33 inche long springs that should balance out fine. If not then go with a single .243 1 3/4" diameter by 34"long spring or a single .250 1 3/4" diameter by 39" long. Hope these suggestions help.
@@sosgds Man thanks!!!!!
I found a pair of .243 x 2 x 31 springs immediately after reading this.
Thanks again!
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I have 16x7 8000 series Wayne Dalton no windows also. It weights 179 lbs. Which of the two single springs mentioned would be longer lasting. The .243 or the .250? Converting from torquemaster one system. Thanks for any information.
Any advise for a car trailer Ramp door? This thing needs a beefier spring as it’s pretty heavy to lift for a woman. If the guys are out riding and the girls need to close stuff up for a storm they need 2 of them to lift.
Hello! Great question. Do you happen to know if the ramp has been modified in any way? Do you have one spring or two currently lifting the ramp?
Hi great video and explanation. Thank you!
I had a question-my current broken spring is a single side Gold 0.25 x 2 x 29. Garage door is estimated 150lbs.
Can I upgrade to two springs and what size would you suggest?
Hello! Yes indeed. You can use a pair of .207 by 1 3/4" by 25 garage door springs. Hope this helps.
Had my broken single torsion spring replaced (by professional) with recommended 2 separate torsion springs several years ago. Power outage forced me to pull emergence cord to open door. Discovered door not balanced upon lifting it up. I'm handy & had right tools to "add" tension to both springs (left-side, right-side) to re-balance door. To my surprise, I could only "add" tension to left-side spring. Right-side spring would not rotate (either direction) when 2 bracket screws were loosen & using hand-bars for twisting action.
I ended up adding tension to left-side spring only for door to open 1/2 way & remain stable.
Why did right-side spring not twist?.... Installation error or other?
Appreciate your opinion & advisement..... good day sammy
I have two newly installed .207 tension springs newly installed. The previous springs were longer, maybe 30 inches? Door works great. Is there a concern with the two shorter 24 inch springs? Can I add insulation panels to my Dalton Door? If so, any recommendations?
@SOS Garage Doors what is the right size of torsion springs for a garage door, it is 16’ by 7’ , model T12.
Hello. Is this door insulated? Does it have windows?
i got an older door i did not get a tortion spring does it need one?
Awesome information! My 12'X8' Amarr steel insulated door, 15" radius track with 4" drums was installed with non matched springs. One is 36" long and the other is 28". I am looking to put matched springs on it, same length and same wire size. The door weights 250lbs+. I am in a remote area on the East Coast and can do the repair myself. Just want to have a matched set of springs to help with longevity and wear on my garage opener. Any recommendations for proper matched set would be greatly appreciated! Thank you for your time!
Hello. Based on the details of your garage door you might want to look for a pair of .225 wire springs. As for the diameter and length ... you could look at the 1 3/4"by 30 to 33 long.
@@sosgds Thank you!
@@sosgds Can you recommend a supplier that would have them in stock?
@@MrSurfnc There are not many that I know outside my area. But you could try this distributor:
www.national-hardware.com/sc/garage-door-springs-cables
@@sosgds Thank you so much!
Hi, what happens when a garage door spring breaks? Does the garage door come crashing down? Thanks for answering. Best regards, Nancy
I have a single torsion spring and it lasted 8 yrs 10 months. It snapped while closed and not in use. We heard a loud bang as though something hit the house and we discovered the garage door would not go up. Do I need to upgrade my spring?
I measured and weighed my door. 16x7 @ 225 lbs. Non-insulated with upper strut. Currently have dual springs .225 x 1-3/4 x 29. The right one snapped last night. These seem to be the correct spring rated at 115 lbs each x 2 = 230 lbs. I did have trouble balancing the door a few years ago. When it was balanced at 3' and 5' the garage door opener couldn't close it. I then realized that the door has to be heavy enough to wind the spring as it goes down. Is there a better spring rate? Should I go up or down? I'm considering 110 lbs .225 x 2 x 27. Thanks.
207-2-24 Pair 👌 do 32 quarter turn on one spring 28 on the other. Or you can also do 8 full turns on one and 7 full turns on the second spring
@@Wlgfande Thanks for the reply. I used an online spring calculator and ended up ordering 234-2-31 which has the same spring rate as the original 225-1.75-29. I read the spring rate should match the door weight. Hopefully this is correct and I can get the door properly balanced.
Hello. Please let me know if the 234's balance your door.
@@sosgds I will report back after I get them installed. I found information regarding "stretching" the spring before you tighten the cone set screws. I guess it kind of makes sense that as you wind the spring, it maybe shortens very slightly. If you lock it down at that length, then the spring may not unwind properly to its original length? I watched a guy tap on the winding rod to "stretch" the spring before tightening the cone set screws. Not sure this is standard practice in the industry and I don't see anyone else doing this.
@@sosgds Well I finally got the door balanced and working after much effort. The 234-2-31 are working at 7 turns (replacing 225-1.75-29) but only after I did some work to my door. I replaced the quick turn low headroom top hinges for standard adjustable top bracket hinges. I believe my trouble was caused by the quick turn hinges. It seems the door would not close properly because the top section of the door was laying too flat due to the quick turn hinges and not providing enough weight on the door during its last 1-2 feet of movement. My garage door opener would bind and go into reverse. After replacing the quick turn hinges with standard adjustable top brackets I was able to better balance my door and it now closes. I believe the standard top brackets allow the top section of the door to be in a more vertical position allowing it to apply more weight on the door. Never thought it would be this difficult to solve the balancing issue.
Great informative video Santiago! I have a 7' x 16' stanley wooden garage door with a pair of .25 x 1.75 x 39" galvanized springs. They're a bit old and seem to be losing strength so I had bumped them up to 30 winds from 28. However, it is no longer correctly balanced as it takes a lot of force to close the door when it is fully open. Shall I just replace with same springs or do you recommend something different? Thanks in advance!!
Hello. Just to be sure I am understanding you, ... you have a 16 by 7 wood door that has a pair of .250 by 1.75 by 39 long springs?
@@sosgds yes correct
Thanks for such informative video. I have a question. I have the same garage door thats on your video, it came with 207x1 3/4 x 23. Can I use 225x2x27? Thank you.
Hello. So just to be 100% clear. You have a non insulated garage door with no windows? And you have that exact door it has a pair of .207 1 3/4" 23" springs?
@@sosgds hi. Yes, same door, no windows, no insulation. Thank you for responding.
@@israela8667 Excellent. So based on your comments about your specific garage door I believe the the 225 by 2 by 27 spring is two strong. I would look for a 225 by 2 by 30 or 225 by 1 3/4 by 34" long. Hope this helps.
I have a single .234 I want to add a 2nd spring. Can I go down one size? I have a 16x7 non insulated door
Hello, where is position of torsion spring? Thanks
Hello. Thank you for your question. Just so that way I'm clear and what you're asking. You want to know what is the best position of putting on the torsion springs?
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This I a Perfect VIdeo. I enjoyed it. I have two 8x7 garage doors that I want to Convert into One DOuble 17x7 I already measured the span. One option Im thinking about is to Build A Garage door out of 2x4s Im wondering if I do that and the total Weight is 400 lbs what Torsion spring setup would you recommend.
That's a big task but attainable. Springs for a 400 lbs door will be based on drums and track assembly. I don't care for heavy doors. But if your goal is have an insulated door with high R value, then you want at least a 250 or 262 wire. As for the length you need more information on the door configuration.
Great, informative video. I have a 16’ x 9’ insulated, steel backed garage door. There is no label so I am unsure of the manufacturer or model number. What springs would you recommend for this door given the limited information?
I would really appreciate some help. It has proven extremely difficult to find accurate information for this door size and have already been led astray.
I have an 18 x 7 foot Overhead Door brand, not sure of model or age or if original springs. The left wound spring is broken with markings, 225 x 2 x 26. The right wound spring looks like (red) 225 x 1 7/8 x 28. I weighed garage and got 101 lbs. So would I double weight to 202 lbs to get accurate weight? Also has 12 inch track radius. What 10k option and higher cycle options do you reccomend. Thanks Santiago!
Mr Santiago I've watched several of your videos recently I want to thank you for your valuable information. However what I'm not finding on your videos or anyone else's is how do you determine the spring you need if the reason you need a new spring is because you added insulation, hurricane bars, locks, several layers of paint and who knows what the doors greatly increasing the weight. In other words if all I know is the weight and size of the door how do I determine what torsion spring I need?
Excellent question.
What's the weight of your garage door?
@@sosgds 160lb 9x7
@@notme8121 Excellent. What spring have you applied? How bad or good is the balance?
Years ago I replaced a torsion spring that was a single spring on my garage door with a pair of springs. I picked up at a hardware store. Unclear as to what I was putting on it seem to work well for about the last 10 years. Now that I watch all these videos, I’d like to make sure that I am getting in fact the right springs now for the garage door since one has already broken. The video does not address How to choose a proper spring if you don’t have the proper spring on the door. What is your advice on that?
Thank you for sharing your experience. What can you tell me about the garage door? What brand or company of door is it?
When I am looking for springs on a new door I am specifically looking for the following:
Make
Model
Composition
Size
Weight
Track Configuration
And any added support struts to the door.
So for context here's how I would apply this guide:
Make: Wayne Dalton Door
Model: 9100
Composition: Insulated door with no windows
Size: 16 wide by 7 tall
Weight: 127 lbs
Track configuration: Standard 12" track
Now as for the last part, any added strut supports, can be a bit tricky. Mainly because this door will come with a standard 3" strut for the top section. Thus you want to factor any additional struts when that could add extra weight. If there are no additional supports then this step can be omitted.
So for the garage door just mentioned above, a pair of 207 by 1 3/4" by 33 long springs would work perfectly.
Hate to admit it bc I can’t afford it and my door is down… but you absolutely pay for the knowledge for people like you.. I’m still gonna do it myself bc I have to but needing the info on the springs thank
You
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Hi! Great video! I need a little help determining the springs (pair) I need. One side just broke. I’m the second owner of my house and I don’t want to assume the springs installed are appropriate because I’m not sure they are original. My door was originally installed in 2006 and is 7’x18’, 18 gauge steel, no windows, no insulation, no locks or custom add-on features, the 4 panels are 21” tall. Not sure of the curve but it is pretty large, maybe 14”. When unwound the current spring size (pair, black color metal) is .224 1.75” 28” according to the information painted on the coils. The closest I have been able to find is .225 1.75” 28” but they seem to be out of stock. Any help is greatly appreciated!
Hello! Thank you for reaching out. It's possible you have a Mesa garage door. They offer odd size springs sometimes. But based on the information you provided I would go with the .225 wire by 1.75 by 28. Yet, if you want to get a little more cycle life you can go with a pair of .234 by 1.75 by 33 long springs. Hope this helps.
@@sosgdsYes, this helps a lot! Thank you for sharing your expertise!
Hi good information I want to know my garage door spring brook so I measured its 225x2x28, so my garage door size is 16x7 steel insulated 8300, my question is is this right size off spring? And what other size I can use?
Great. What kind of springs do u think my door needs. It’s a 9 by 7 Garaga door traditional raised panel stealback door with polyurethane insulation with insulated windows. I have had people tell me I need a pair of 207 wire and a single 243 wire which kinda confuses me since there’s so much to choose from
Yikes! Well the 207 springs would not best for an insulated door. Do you know how thick the door is? Do you know if the door has additional struts? Do you know if the manufacture of the door? What springs does the door have now?
@@sosgds it currently has extension springs and I want to convert it to torsion as I hear it’s much better. The door brand is garaga and it’s a Canadian manufacturer that they sell in MA. There’s only one strut at the top
@@bostonelevatorsaviation wow. Well if you have a 2 in thick steel back insulated door polyurethane a pair of 243 37s might work. Usually on polyurethane doors I install 243 and 250. A pair of 250 39s are common for steel back.
I own a 10'x8' clopay door that weighs 170 lbs, I don't know which springs to use
Hello. Is that an insulated garage door? It's not common to have a 10 foot wide by 8 foot tall door that weighs 170lbs. That's usually a weight for a 16 foot wide by 8 foot wide non insulated garage door. Can you confirm if the door is insulated?
@@sosgds yes it is
Change my torsion springs but now the door opens ok but the motor is not stong enough to close it back.
Hello. That is common. You can adjust the force to the motor. That should give it strength to close. Or you can take a quarter turn off each spring. This will adjust the balance. Yet overtime the strength of the springs will loosen and the door should close easily with gravity.
@@sosgds Thank you for the advice but this motor uses an "Auto adjustment system" that adjust in the first open and close BUT if the door can't close by itself how it will adjust 😂 and yes I tried loosing it a turn but then is not enough to make the door go up. 😭
Strange. Try to add a door strut. A 2" garage door strut can add an additional 10 lbs which help with the counter balance.
@@sosgds will try it but it will make it heavier no?
I'm having to replace a spring on a 9ft wide insulated door. Spring had the yellow paint on it. No info on the spring or door so by measuring i came up with a 207 x 20" x 2". I hope it works it should be here by Friday.
Great tips.
As a garage door tech I've gotten in the habit of when working on garage doors I'll put a tag on the spring mount that identifies what the springs are and when they where installed. This saves both me and the customer time and gives a better understanding on how long the springs last.
Currently having trouble in finding torsion spring for 7 x 16 door , 255 lbs insulated garage door. Previous owner !I think has a 207x2x20. I felt this was not strong enough to hold at half open. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks
Hello. For that weight of door, the springs might be underpowered. Can you tell me if your garage door is insulated? Does it have windows?
I measured 20 coils and it is 4 3/8 and on the chart says I need a .218 spring. All the companies that quote me say I need a .207 spring. My door is 16x7 top row windows non insulated.
Hello! Yes they might want to offer you a 207 but tell that you want a 218 wire spring for higher cycles. They should be able to accommodate you. If not find a contractor that will.