How Did the Lannisters Become the Luckiest Family in the War of the Five Kings?
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- How Did the Lannisters Become the Luckiest Family in the War of the Five Kings?
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You forgot that the Greyjoy chose to invade the Stark instead of the Lannister.
The Greyjoy are kind of forgettable
They are just dumb Robb was on the negotiating table and if they won the war Balon could claim the Westerlands for his part and Robb couldn't have refused it
@udhavbhatia6424 not only that but in the books it's the richest region due to its gold mines. In the show no one knew until after the war that the mines had ran dry.
Balon the dumbass
@@alessandrofracasso6 Read the books and you’ll totally change your mind on that. They have 4 POV characters in the books. The show just ruined their storyline, especially Euron. They literally left Victarion out of the show for some reason.
Cat ignoring Neds instructions to go to winterfell and instruct the North to prepare for war and instead starting a war before anyone except tywin was ready for... was a huge help to the lanisters
Cat kind of had no choice but to take Tyrion prisoner there. If she didn't Tyrion would've gotten onto it and would've exposed her.
Her mistake there was taking Tyrion to the Vale and not Winterfell.
cat didn’t ignore it. She sent word from the Vale. She also didn’t start the war. Tywin did that.
@Aaron_Guest it would have been better if she took tyrion to winterfell that's true but before she even gets to that Inn she thinks to herself
'Shall I go west to riverrun to see father or east to the Vale to see Lysa'
She had already decided to ignore Neds command to go to winterfell and order the northern Lords to prepare for war.
He wanted 2 houses to send 100 archers each to moat cailin,
For house Reed to send scouts around the neck,
For house mandery to reinforce all defences and build a fleet
And for winterfell to keep a close eye on theon...
Ned knew what was coming but cat didn't realy give a shit... she wanted to keep playing investigator
She's the one who started all that bitch
@@CatotheE cat gave tywin a reason to go to war.
Kidnapping tyrion was the first act of war.
And weirdly enough some of this was Tyrion's doing. Like creating a marriage alliance with Dorne, send littlefinger to Cat which bcs of it makes Rob's army scatter and having Tyrell's in Lannister side. And hold King's Landing long enough.
Not like his dad was ever gonna give him credit😂
Yep, the amount of poor armor that the Lannisters got in the war was insane.
Lysa was somehow able to control the Valemen and keep them out of the war when they didn't know her, (she was in King's Landing during the entirety of Robert's reign) and she somehow wasn't replaced with a strong lord like Yohn Royce regent by the Valemen.
Renly does the strategic error of trying to take the Iron Throne instead of following the succession and supporting his elder brother, and then getting assassinated when he made another mistake of going to try to stop Stannis, the smaller threat at Storm's End when it wasn't important at all.
Baelish, then being able to get the Tyrells on their side. When the Lannisters were clearly losing, there was still much risk going with them.
Balon somehow decides to decide to attack the North like a fool when the Lannisters were the much more appealing target while the North was their only clear ally, along with him somehow managing to not have a single bannerman refuse due to his complete failure last time.
Edmure disobeys his orders and foils the plan that Robb had to destroy Tywin's army in the Westerlands. Along with it delaying Tywin long enough for messengers to arrive and let Tywin know about alliance with the Tyrells, and that Stannis was now marching on King's Landing. (Before Tywin thought Renly was still alive)
Stannis gets stopped by Lannister/Tyrell army right when he's about to win the battle.
Theon betrays Robb, his best friend and brother, in all except blood, causing the link of events that causes Robb's downfall: him breaking his marriage pact with the Freys causing them to leave, Cat letting Jaime go when he wasn't trustworthy, losing him a valuable prisoner, and causing Rickard Karstark to commit treason multiple times over by first sending all his men away, before he murdered guards of the King's mother's family, and murdering hostages causing Robb to execute him, and eventually the Red Wedding.
The Freys and Boltons being dumb enough to agree with the Red Wedding, along with none of the kinsmen, bannermen, or troops letting slip that the Red Wedding would happen. (There is no way that their soldiers, kin, and/or vassals wouldn't have saw a great opportunity to get rewarded for their loyalty, especially not the Freys who are all pretty much described as ruthless and ambitious.)
Along with plenty more.
Stannis kiling Renly ,and by so giving the Lannisters the most valuble ally
Of course they join them , Tywin offers them positions in the small council, the kingsguard, lands and mariage alliances
while Stannis dont have anything to offer
@@flavius5722 Stannis offers them the chance to do their duty
@@KROGANLovesKittensAndPuppiesA illusion of a choice,Stan is was sure that he will have a son , so it was basically a traped
And for what , Stannis had his way and still lose the war of the five kings
@@flavius5722 It's what Davos says in the Merman Court
@@KROGANLovesKittensAndPuppies What chapter was that ? I can't remember but I can go check out
Lannister luck ran out when Tywin died. He was the only one who could keep Cersei and her insanity in check.
Kevan could to an extent too. *And that's why Varys killed him.*
And Jamie is on the path of redemption.
Yeah I was always annoyed at GRRM for giving the Lannister’s so much plot armor over and over and over and over again… 😒
Thats the reality,one group always gets lucky.How do you think throne of england came to be or any other monarchy for that matter.
When Afghans conquered and ruled india from around 1200s-1400s,the afghan ruler houses were constantly changing from khiljis to lodhis as the house that grew strongest took to rule.
I don’t think so. Some people, families, organizations etc. win by pure luck all the time. Also Tywin was never this genius strategist his fans claim he to be. He never won a war or did anything great. All he did was waiting in the background and watching his enemies fight eachother and he would ally himself with the wining party. A young Robb stark humiliated Tywin and show what an idiot he really is. Tywin was lucky most of the time until he wasn’t.
Idiot, luck, lol 😂 did you cry when Rob died due to his stupidity?@@rinmartell2678
@@rinmartell2678 Yes and no, Tywin is not a military genius but he is a political mastermind, watching from the sidelines as others fight in order to manipulate events to your favor is precisely how he made his House great again.
@@cristalido3640 He did not manipulate anyone or anything. He bend the knee to Robert because he was on the losing side. He killed Robb on a wedding because he couldn’t kill him on the battlefield and by killing Robb like that he lost the north for real, also the riverlords. He had a chance to end the war by diplomacy but he was not able to do that properly. He is the only reason the lannisters failed. Not Cercei or Tyrion
Yeah. There was definitely a lot of luck, mixed in with some skill from the more competent Lannisters. They don't come off as master schemers, pulling the strings of Westeros. They're mostly lucky that when the first dominoes fell, it was away from them.
If you ever wonder what is the difference between Rob and Robert one got everything against him the other one all in favor
Everything didn’t go in Robert’s favour. He was just a winner.
@@CatotheEwhat didn’t go against him? He had half the kingdoms behind him and the ones who didn’t support him either stayed out of the war (Lannisters) or were incompetent (Tyrells laying siege to storms end). Robert is the goat but he got pretty lucky during the war
@@Speb101 The Riverlands, Stormlands and the Vale were split. They had to put down Rebellions in each region. Stannis also says that Robert use to win battles at odds worse than 5 to 1. Plural.
You forgot the brain-dead plot to kill Robert. Everyone derides Ned for his decisions when his plans only failed because Cersei had an insane amount of luck.
But sure, plot armor only started to be a thing late in the show. /s
i’ve always wondered how that plan even materialised 😭😭 cersei put all her cards in the basket that robert would get killed by an animal while hunting just because he’s had a bit too much drink
@@Wilk32 Don't forget that he was accompanied by Barristan Selmy, the guy who had braved Duskendale on his own to get his king out. And then there was no telling that there even would be an animal dangerous enough - the White Hart that they originally wanted to hunt probably could not have done this.
And then there is Lancel Lannister, who she trusted to do all of this. Because this is the one you trust to do the impossible.
Do you know what reason Cersei had for *admitting* to the adultery to Ned, when she could have just pointed to Robb, Sansa, Bran and Rickon and told Ned that sometimes children look like their mother?
George likes killing favourite characters like Robb and Eddard.
But Cersei, Jaime and Tyrion? Those are his sweetest cutest pets that will never die. No matter how dumb they are.
Tyrion is not dumb.
Renly died swallowing swords is what my propaganda woulda been if he was my enemy 😂😂😂
Lannister always pays his debts.
~ Tyrion Lannister
So true, biggest blunder was Edmure Tully war would have been over if he just held his castle.
And they lost because they humiliated Tyrion
They are still în power , Tyrion live only because Jaime want him alive and Varys think he can use him to kill Stannis
How on earth is Jon Con touching the water with one hand and he gets greyscale ,but Tyrion who drown completley did not ?
@@flavius5722Targaryens don't get sick
@@mrloadinggameYes they did , Viserys the second was sick for the last year's of his life ,Danerys is vomiting his brains out at the end of the second book
Let alone all the cases when they have depression who is also a 😷
I forgot Balon was 1 of the 5
Honestly, He was the least well known. I didn't even know he entered the war of 5 kings. I had to look up who was the 5th king.
@@menumlor9432 exactly! I'm like, "Joffery, Stannis, Renly, Robb………Stannis again, no Jon? "lol
@@brianc3100 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
@@brianc3100😂 I think Mance Rayder is better known than Balon
He us rembered just as Theon 's father
Hear me roar. 🦁
And so he spoke and so spoke
The Lannisters paid for their victory with their King's life😂😂
As Tyrion said we are fortunate, our enemies hate each other as much as they hateus.
All im saying is that only one of the 5 kings still lives. The one true king
I’ve always thought the Lannisters ‘fell ass backwards’ into good luck because the plot needed them to vs. actually being formidable.
Obvs The Seven favor the Lannisters.
And Cersei made the dumb decision to accuse his brother of murdering Joffrey which would cause the division of the family, the death of his father and making Dorne rise against them and next he would make the Tyrells her enemies which gave her personally the iron throne but caused the loss of important allies for the arrival of the Dragon Queen
Yeah it's all a bunch of self-serving stupidity. Everyone was too invested in "whats in it for me?" to cooperate. But the thing is if you don't cooperate with strong friends then YOU DONT WIN.
Plot armor
Lannisters had plot Armor
So true
They weren’t that lucky in GRRM’s alternate storyline
What the h*ll didn’t go the Lannisters’ way is the question.
It went just as it should because the Lannisters are the most superior, they stood the test of time where as the other houses died off early into the war. 🤷♂️
Yes... because of dumb luck 😂
Cept now that Tywin is dead, the Lannisters are now struggling to hold on. Not helped at all by Cersei's increasingly paranoid and erratic decisions.
Well at least the Tyrells are în charge now and the blowing of the sept bullshit is show only nonsense
The test of what time? They're pretty much done at this point.