I'm a big fan of the rounded trigger guard and no-rail setup. The Beretta Cheetah BB models were arguably the prettiest of the bunch, and I'm glad there are new clones of them these days. I'll have to give one of these a look sometime.
The new Faith 13 is outstanding! Almost exact 84 clone. Fit and finish are perfect. Also takes Beretta 92 front and rear sights. Shoots beautifully. 500 flawless rounds so far
This is a very nice 380. Eats all ammo with ease and is very easy to shoot. The tip of barrel is fun, it is just an added bonus to we already find fire. This is when you can buy that you know will be iconic and will always work when you need it.
@@GBGuns OK, I guess I missed that. Graham, I see the older models of grand Powers are dropping in price like a rock, do you think those are worth buying over the new MK series?
Interesting video of yours. We look forward to your range review. Girsan is a high quality firearms manufacturer. We have the Girsan Regard MC, the Beretta 92 clone. I've carried it camping, salt water fishing, rafting, hiking... We've put 2000 plus rounds through it many being +P+ zero issues. Although I'm not a firearms expert I'd highly recommend this company. We look forward to seeing your range review. We wish you and Teya a great day 🙏
Love my newly introduced to American market the old Glock G25 Gen3 .380acp. 4" barrel, 15rd magazines, G19 comfortable size frame/grip. I guess you could call it a full sized .380 compared to the other small uncomfortable to hold sub compacts. Rest in Peace Gaston Glock 🇦🇹🥀
Fatih 13 is back ! They announced a new version in Shot Show 2023, squared trigger guard like Beretta 84 F. Unreleased till now and about a month ago Fatih 13 is back with the upgrades. Higher MSRP too.
I like it. It would make a nice 380 companion to my Beretta 81BB 32ACP. It's not as nicely finished as my Beretta, but I'm sure its more affordable than an original Beretta Cheetah in excellent condition. The larger sites are a nice touch for those of us with aging eyes. Yes, this design is a bit large compared to what is now available in 9mm subcompacts, but for some people this gun might be perfect due to less recoil and how it fits their hand. This design is very comfortable in the hand
I have the BDA version of this pistol and also the Tisas Fatih (you can still buy the fatih). Both are nice pistols to shoot. More similar than different except for the beretta style slide cut out. Both use the very same magazines. I happen to also own the Beretta 81, 84 & 85 pistols. These are very similar in size and feel with just a few minor differences. I consider these Turkish (Girsan or Tisas) made pistols to be a good value for the product. So similar I would not be surprised if they are made at the same place.
i have a security 380 that shoots pretty flat but I have been having an odd issue where the slide goes to lock back after the first 3 rounds of the mag have been fired. It hasn't happened the last few times I've been to the range with it so I wonder if its a break in period thing. This is a beautiful 380 and I might have to check it out if the ruger decides to keep fussing about.
Tisas didn’t discontinue the fatih, they updated it with a frame that’s identical to the beretta 84 now as well as walnut grips from the factory and removable sights that interchange with beretta 92x sights which opens up some night sight options for it…..I’ve seen multiple reviewers say the new fatih has a decocker on the safety now and others who make no mention of it….ill be finding out myself in a couple days when I pick mine up….
@@GBGuns Just got it home. Very well constructed piece. Walnut grips feel good and fill the hand. There is no decocker on the gun but the sights are indeed removable and look to be 92fs/92x type. Single action trigger is nice, reset is a bit long but very useable. Double action is about as long as any beretta I’ve owned, fortunately if I decide to carry this it will be cocked and locked. I’m looking forward to putting some rounds through it to get the whole picture.
The double action is not a light primer strike back up, although it certainly can be used that way. Rather, double action is an alternative carry option to cocked and locked. In DA mode the gun is carried with one in the chamber, safety off, hammer down. Alternatively, the gun can be carried traditional single action condition one, loaded chamber, hammer cocked, safety on.
The Beretta 84FS had a drop safety, so I can’t understand why a faithful clone would not. Additionally, the manual safety can be engaged hammer up or down.
Desperately want Girsan to make one of these Beretta clones with some kind of optics cut. At that point, I think just about everyone would want at least one.
@@GBGuns There are some guys who have set up old Beretta 84s with optics cuts, specifically the 407k, but I figure a plate system would be fine enough for stuff like this.
I have the Berretta 84 and everyone that has shot it really likes it. It seems very accurate as well. I am not sure if it is a 100% blowback design or not. It has a different locking mechanism than a 92 series. With most blow back designs the barrel is attached to the frame. This saves costs. This seems to be a more expensive way to make a blow back. I dunno… I picked it up used thru a Surplus dealer.
I have zero barrel movement before the slide moves back on my Beretta 84. Maybe there's a tolerance issue on the Girsan? Or even a different mechanism?
1. It's a straigth blowback design. A locked breach version would be needed for 9mm. 2. Back when this was made, this size really wasn't 9mm territory. And nobody designs this new today. Licensed copies are much more in the reach of these smaller companies. 3. I heard on several occasions that reoresentatives of gun manufacturers (S&W when asked about the CSX, for example) replied when asked, that the average modern customer does not demand DA/SA guns/ finds them too complicated and doesn't want to learn the controls and the 2 different trigger pulls (mind you that the emphasis on "riding the trigger" and all that is a relatively modern phenomenon. As is the civilian idea that a gun should not have a manual safety.) So a DA/SA gun is a niche product, with the exception of a few which have an eternal fame, like the Beretta 92. I personally think that there are several main reasons. Firstly, because striker fired guns are cheaper to produce. Equals bigger margin. Secondly, they basically all got burned hard by Glock and its semi-pre-cocked-striker-fired-tupperware, who just took over the market in the late 80s-90s. All these expensively originally designed flagship DA/SAs from these companies, except the Beretta 92, basically went out of production after just 10 years or so around the 2000s. They all switched to striker fired guns. The market demanded. And the market not always makes good choices. But if it chooses, companies will abide. TL;DR: DA/SA guns seem to be a niche today, mostly served by smaller companies and mostly with designes derived from existing ones. Coming up with an original design is out of reach for most of these companies. And the preexisting designs do not include a 9mm cheetah.
@@tomitiustritus6672 Dear Tometc, ... I believe the double/single pull trigger is ideal for general carry by the average Joe ... because a single action trigger or so-called Glock safety trigger is much to easy to be fired accidently by shaking hands during a once in a life time attempted robbery ... the average Joe trying to defend himself will not have the cool to master that single action trigger on the first shot. Witness for example in the military a round is not allow in the chamber of Colt 1945 ...for this very reason. Thank you for your words ... respectfully submitted, Peter
If Beretta or one of these Turkish brands would just make one of these 380s with the same "decock only" operation as a 92G or PX4 Storm G, I'd be all over it. As far as I know, they do not. 😐
Just to enlighten you, this is a clone of the early Beretta 84 with round trigger guard, non hammer drop safety. Mec gar has been making magazines for Beretta for years apparently they only provide one with the pistol. Beretta 84 as well as Browning BDA mags will fit. The magazine release should be reversible on this pistol if it is true to the Beretta design. Would be nice if they cloned the model 87 in 22lr
Full Review with Specs and Availability: www.gbgunsdepot.com/post/eaa-girsan-mc14g84
Is it reliable will it fire and eject and load next rd every time I need it to? I don't care about nothing else
@@RabbiTosmiser The answer to that is in the pinned comment.
I'm a big fan of the rounded trigger guard and no-rail setup. The Beretta Cheetah BB models were arguably the prettiest of the bunch, and I'm glad there are new clones of them these days. I'll have to give one of these a look sometime.
The new Faith 13 is outstanding! Almost exact 84 clone. Fit and finish are perfect. Also takes Beretta 92 front and rear sights. Shoots beautifully. 500 flawless rounds so far
This is a very nice 380. Eats all ammo with ease and is very easy to shoot. The tip of barrel is fun, it is just an added bonus to we already find fire. This is when you can buy that you know will be iconic and will always work when you need it.
This does not have a tip up barrel.
@@GBGuns
OK, I guess I missed that. Graham, I see the older models of grand Powers are dropping in price like a rock, do you think those are worth buying over the new MK series?
The Mk12s are excellent handguns, but the Mk23s are indeed an upgrade.
Interesting video of yours. We look forward to your range review.
Girsan is a high quality firearms manufacturer. We have the Girsan Regard MC, the Beretta 92 clone.
I've carried it camping, salt water fishing, rafting, hiking... We've put 2000 plus rounds through it many being +P+ zero issues.
Although I'm not a firearms expert I'd highly recommend this company.
We look forward to seeing your range review.
We wish you and Teya a great day 🙏
Please excuse the typos 🤔
Love my newly introduced to American market the old Glock G25 Gen3 .380acp. 4" barrel, 15rd magazines, G19 comfortable size frame/grip. I guess you could call it a full sized .380 compared to the other small uncomfortable to hold sub compacts.
Rest in Peace
Gaston Glock 🇦🇹🥀
Great review, nice looking gun.
Fatih 13 is back !
They announced a new version in Shot Show 2023, squared trigger guard like Beretta 84 F. Unreleased till now and about a month ago Fatih 13 is back with the upgrades. Higher MSRP too.
I wish they would've stuck with the round trigger guard, and perhaps changed the name for foreign markets.
Like the look of this one, figures, I recently got the Ruger Security 380.
The vertical serrations aren't for recoil mitigation, but to keep the gun twisting in your hand.
I like it. It would make a nice 380 companion to my Beretta 81BB 32ACP. It's not as nicely finished as my Beretta, but I'm sure its more affordable than an original Beretta Cheetah in excellent condition. The larger sites are a nice touch for those of us with aging eyes. Yes, this design is a bit large compared to what is now available in 9mm subcompacts, but for some people this gun might be perfect due to less recoil and how it fits their hand. This design is very comfortable in the hand
Very attractive gun.
Great review as always, thanks Graham! Looking forward to the shooting review! Hope Teya is well.
An ex still carries the Browning BDA 380. Great midsize 380. Very reliable.
How did you find out?
Did she point it at you?
@@hansblitz7770 she got it from me .. i had it for a long time before she claimed it
I have the BDA version of this pistol and also the Tisas Fatih (you can still buy the fatih). Both are nice pistols to shoot. More similar than different except for the beretta style slide cut out. Both use the very same magazines. I happen to also own the Beretta 81, 84 & 85 pistols. These are very similar in size and feel with just a few minor differences. I consider these Turkish (Girsan or Tisas) made pistols to be a good value for the product. So similar I would not be surprised if they are made at the same place.
i have a security 380 that shoots pretty flat but I have been having an odd issue where the slide goes to lock back after the first 3 rounds of the mag have been fired. It hasn't happened the last few times I've been to the range with it so I wonder if its a break in period thing. This is a beautiful 380 and I might have to check it out if the ruger decides to keep fussing about.
I'd buy one, been packing a Tisas Fatih lately, turks make some good guns.
Tisas didn’t discontinue the fatih, they updated it with a frame that’s identical to the beretta 84 now as well as walnut grips from the factory and removable sights that interchange with beretta 92x sights which opens up some night sight options for it…..I’ve seen multiple reviewers say the new fatih has a decocker on the safety now and others who make no mention of it….ill be finding out myself in a couple days when I pick mine up….
Please let us know when you find out
@@GBGuns Just got it home. Very well constructed piece. Walnut grips feel good and fill the hand. There is no decocker on the gun but the sights are indeed removable and look to be 92fs/92x type. Single action trigger is nice, reset is a bit long but very useable. Double action is about as long as any beretta I’ve owned, fortunately if I decide to carry this it will be cocked and locked. I’m looking forward to putting some rounds through it to get the whole picture.
Looks like a beretta 70s with double action trigger. Any firing pin safety?
Absolutely great review. Thx
The double action is not a light primer strike back up, although it certainly can be used that way. Rather, double action is an alternative carry option to cocked and locked. In DA mode the gun is carried with one in the chamber, safety off, hammer down. Alternatively, the gun can be carried traditional single action condition one, loaded chamber, hammer cocked, safety on.
I don't believe there's a dropi safety if carried decocked
The Beretta 84FS had a drop safety, so I can’t understand why a faithful clone would not. Additionally, the manual safety can be engaged hammer up or down.
Desperately want Girsan to make one of these Beretta clones with some kind of optics cut. At that point, I think just about everyone would want at least one.
I don't think there's room on the slide for an optic.
@@GBGuns There are some guys who have set up old Beretta 84s with optics cuts, specifically the 407k, but I figure a plate system would be fine enough for stuff like this.
@@FUNKCHUNKEM Interesting. I had no idea. I wonder how long thhe screws holdup to blowback violence and high slide velocity.
Good looking firearm
Great video... very helpful information....
Thank you
I saw the tisas gun on the website like 6 months ago in stock ..been a while
I have the Berretta 84 and everyone that has shot it really likes it. It seems very accurate as well.
I am not sure if it is a 100% blowback design or not. It has a different locking mechanism than a 92 series. With most blow back designs the barrel is attached to the frame. This saves costs. This seems to be a more expensive way to make a blow back. I dunno…
I picked it up used thru a Surplus dealer.
Just got mine. And it jams every single round of fmj.
Honestly a better looking gun than the 80x
These kind of firearms make me want to become a collector. There aren't enough shoe boxes in the world for all the finishes and species of wood.
Funny that the day your video publishes on RUclips, PSA sends a daily deal email on used Beretta 84s.
They need to offload them before these start hitting the market.
I have zero barrel movement before the slide moves back on my Beretta 84. Maybe there's a tolerance issue on the Girsan? Or even a different mechanism?
These Beretta li e of guns are great, but would prefer a decocker.
Thanks
Thank you
It is not blow-back operated. It uses the Beretta rolling-block recoil system.
Except without the rolling block
I stand corrected. It is blowback operated. I had thought that was exclusive to the T. Apologies.
No extractor?
Why can't this gun (i.e., its size) be made in 9MM ??? I would buy this classic in a heart beat!
1. It's a straigth blowback design. A locked breach version would be needed for 9mm.
2. Back when this was made, this size really wasn't 9mm territory. And nobody designs this new today. Licensed copies are much more in the reach of these smaller companies.
3. I heard on several occasions that reoresentatives of gun manufacturers (S&W when asked about the CSX, for example) replied when asked, that the average modern customer does not demand DA/SA guns/ finds them too complicated and doesn't want to learn the controls and the 2 different trigger pulls (mind you that the emphasis on "riding the trigger" and all that is a relatively modern phenomenon. As is the civilian idea that a gun should not have a manual safety.) So a DA/SA gun is a niche product, with the exception of a few which have an eternal fame, like the Beretta 92.
I personally think that there are several main reasons. Firstly, because striker fired guns are cheaper to produce. Equals bigger margin. Secondly, they basically all got burned hard by Glock and its semi-pre-cocked-striker-fired-tupperware, who just took over the market in the late 80s-90s. All these expensively originally designed flagship DA/SAs from these companies, except the Beretta 92, basically went out of production after just 10 years or so around the 2000s. They all switched to striker fired guns. The market demanded. And the market not always makes good choices. But if it chooses, companies will abide.
TL;DR: DA/SA guns seem to be a niche today, mostly served by smaller companies and mostly with designes derived from existing ones. Coming up with an original design is out of reach for most of these companies. And the preexisting designs do not include a 9mm cheetah.
@@tomitiustritus6672 Dear Tometc, ... I believe the double/single pull trigger is ideal for general carry by the average Joe ... because a single action trigger or so-called Glock safety trigger is much to easy to be fired accidently by shaking hands during a once in a life time attempted robbery ... the average Joe trying to defend himself will not have the cool to master that single action trigger on the first shot. Witness for example in the military a round is not allow in the chamber of Colt 1945 ...for this very reason. Thank you for your words ... respectfully submitted, Peter
@@tomitiustritus6672 all i want is a micro da/sa that doesnt suck. I wish HK would make a mini USP/P30. That's my dream ccw
If Beretta or one of these Turkish brands would just make one of these 380s with the same "decock only" operation as a 92G or PX4 Storm G, I'd be all over it. As far as I know, they do not. 😐
Never heard the Price.
Good, if you did I'd suggest you were hearing things.
I don’t think RUclips will allow that anymore.
Just to enlighten you, this is a clone of the early Beretta 84 with round trigger guard, non hammer drop safety. Mec gar has been making magazines for Beretta for years apparently they only provide one with the pistol. Beretta 84 as well as Browning BDA mags will fit. The magazine release should be reversible on this pistol if it is true to the Beretta design. Would be nice if they cloned the model 87 in 22lr
That's a nice little pistol 🔫, but I'll stick to 9mm
I wish they’d offer this with that comp,without it saying “Lady” or something all over it.
When a Turkish girl falls in love with an Italian boy you get EMPIRE …
No Field Strip?....Deal Breaker...=))
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Ewww another 380 video