UPDATE: With the release of 'Wrath & Glory: Vow of Absolution' (which came out a few months _after_ this video), the Absolvers are now confirmed to be a... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Blood Angels successor chapter! So one of our hypotheses was indeed proven correct!
A bit of a wild suggestion here, but I’m tempted to suggest the Absolvers might be of the 114th Grand Battalion of the Iron Warriors, a unit that, despite being traitor at the onset of the heresy, would switch back to being loyal again after being reminded that “the path of honour remained”. The 114th was also noted to have fought with ferocity that was likened to world eaters, and perhaps crucially, their official fate following the scouring is unknown, as their leader more or less seperated himself from his men after the switch back to the loyalist side, being part of a blackshield group since purged from imperial record, minus the forge world of Mezoa.
Honestly I often wonder if some of these chapters are descended from one of the lost legions. The primarchs were erased but it was heavily implied that the legion soldiers were actually passed off to other legions (mainly the ultramarines. Which is part of the reason the ultramarine legion was so large.)
This would explain both the name and the chapters notable ideal of honoring oaths. They broke their oath to the emperor once, and never intend to break another.
@@markcarpenter6020 Except we have at least one mention of the gene-seed of Astarte's moved into new Legions/Chapters having their Progenoid glands exchanged for their new Legion/Chapters Primarch. Suggesting this happened to surviving Astartes of the 2nd and 11th Legion who were moved into the Imperial Fists and Ultra Marines. Though now that I think about it there is one other traitor legion of old known for their ferocity in close combat and who a loyalist chapter made from would live forever seeking 'absolution' and would honor their word/vows as dear to them as their very lives....Lunar Wolves.
So glad someone’s finally paying attention to the Wrath & Glory original stuff. I just hoped the Expansion Book “Vow of Absolution” dedicated to them would have come out by now.
@@40KTheoriesI am still Waiting for that Book, W&G is such an Awsome game, and i love it. I dit Ask Cublic 7 3 or 4 times Via Mail. First they said, May or April, Then they said somewhere in summer last in August when i remember correct and last time i asked they Said there will be info coming out last in October, but still no info. and they Released a lot of other books NO ONE ASKED FOR, WHO THE HECK NEEDS AOS GOD DAMMIT?! But Redacted Record 2 Was Super Awsome, i like the New Talents, Rules how to make Mixed Tier Games, and making my own Relics and Giving the Sisters and Mechanicus more tools to work with. But a Little Pro Tip Use the Webside Doctors of doom, they have a Character Creator and a Large ammount of Homebrew stuff. The best homebrew stuff is (An Abundance of Apocrypha) they have a lot of HH stuff and even Custodes stuff and Imperial Assassins.
The carcharadons were the war hounds that never felt a connection to angron and went into exile instead of taking the butchers nails. Word bearers are more likely than world eaters.
@Blipvertus yes and no. The most accepted theory is they were a mix of the exiled ravenguard and loyalist night lords. Their geneseed is speculated in universe to be chimaric
In all serious though, I think that they are jaghatai Khan's boys, descended from the ones that betrayed him during that little Mutiny that popped off and then were sent out to die on Crusade I think some of them survived and actually formed a chapter, I mean look at their armor it's white and freaking red and their name is the absolver It just fits perfectly, and the white scars are known for going into a battle frenzy when they're in the heat of it I mean these dudes laugh while they're purging! So I'm thinking that they are definitely space mongolians! LOL
Ah, the sagyar mazan, in chapter form? Was about to say that. Mantis warriors were said to be quite ferocious too(and they are of white scar geneline).
Honestly I like the theory that some of these mystery chapters are actually descended from the lost legions. It's been heavily implied that when those two legions were erased the surviving Marines were split up and given to other legions. With most of them going to the ultramarines (which is part of the reason the ultramarines were such a large legion)
I suspect Dark Angels, myself. The Lion was known for being particularly stubborn, the Angels' and their successors are extremely secretive, and the name Absolvers fits in with the common and generally religious nomenclature used by the Sons of the Lion. Also, I have heard that Russ was a knight playing savage, while the Lion was a savage playing knight. He had a very aggressive temper, leading to such things as outright stabbing Russ... a group of frenzied fighters could easily be his kin.
@@Garoslol white scars are more white than this. Very different shade. This one reminds me of the Warhounds off-white, and the blue is replaced with a gunmetal grey on the Absolvers
@@DISTurbedwaffle918 I just think the blue makes World Eaters colour scheme so iconic. This is just full white-ish with some red markings. Very basic like White Scars.
Salamanders? Defending mortals to the death is a known characteristic. And the black skin of the Salamanders is, I think, because of the conditions on Nocturne and not a genetic flaw.
Honestly? If it wasn't for their name being the Absolvers (and therefore linked to the word Absolved) a traitor connection wouldn't have even crossed our minds lol.
Sofar, only one guy managed to do just that (subvert expectations, the right way, forget/eff that ruin johnson guy), and it was a war3 custom campaign map maker by name of Xetant.
F*cking damn it! I had the same paint scheme in mind for my chapter "The Guardians of Eternity"! Gonna file it under "administrative error during thr Founding".
I definitely find it unlikely for the Absolvers to be children of Ferrus Manus, as they lack any outright connection to the Adeptus Mechanicus or technology as a whole, and appear to have a standard rate of augmetic usage as opposed to the extreme rates displayed by the Iron Hands and many of their successors. I would find it more likely for them to be descended from the White Scars (due to their armor coloration, disposition) or Ultramarines (sheer number of successors, rigidity and adherence to the Codex)
Its odd people forget there are many confirmed Ultramarine successor chapters known for the brutality and ferocity in battle, especially at close quarters. Ultramarines and even Guillemin himself are known for intense bouts of rage in combat. Its just that they have control over it, most of the time, rather than it controlling them. Something to remember the Angeron was not violent before the Butchers nails and now its believed the most violent members of the Warhounds were like Haar. Last generation Thunder Warrior candidates who were made into Warhounds rather than Thunder Warriors.
When people are discussing these mystery chapters why is it the lost legions are almost never mentioned as an option. While the primarchs and the legions were erased its been heavily implied (hell they may have flat out stated it somewhere by now) that the surviving Marines of those legions were split among other legions with most of them going to the ultramarines (which is part of the reason their legion was so large). So it is at least theoretically possible that not only are some of the mystery chapters decended from them but even some of the offical ultramarine successor chapters ad well.
It depends on whether or not the lost legionnaires retained their original gene-seed, or if their progenoids were replaced with ones from their new legions. We know this sort of thing does happen, since Epimetheus, upon being inducted into the Grey Knights (as shown in the novel Pandorax), had his original Dark Angel progenoids removed and replaced with Grey Knight ones.
@@40KTheories that can definitely be debated. But we know that the gene banks on Tera contains gene seed from all 20 legions. So it's still possible a mystery chapter could be descended from them. After all the emperor made each legion for a specific purpose (alpha legion were black ops, night lords were terror tactics, iron warriors siege specialists, etc). So the high lords might have needed whatever one of those legions was a specialist of. The big problem is we know so little about the lost legions (we don't know their temperament, battle style , gene flaws or anything else) that they are always a possibility but with no way to prove it's from them.
Technically they could be even be descended from one of the lost legions. It was heavily implied that when those two legions were erased the surviving Marines were scattered among the other legions (with most going to the ultramarines)
Maybe those Lamenters most prone to the Black Rage were killed before they succumbed to it. In which case, it would be the only good luck the Lamenters ever had!
@40KTheories Then that was awesome! Apologies if that came off too direct. That was a very crisp delivery. Hats off, nicely done! Seems like ai is getting applied to more facets of content. Thank you for clarifying. Appreciate your content very much!
Thank you, I'm flattered. Don't worry, Remleiz has to explain in nearly every video I'm featured in that I'm actually a person and not a software. I was just taught to speak English like this. ^^'
@@DoomStroller 40K Theories is where you can hear my voice the most but I've been If the Emperor had a Text-to-Speech Device, was in an audio drama by Cold Open Stories, did some mod voice work for a DoW mod, have had some other non-40K related work in a video game and a youtube animated series. Plus the odd things I'm doing for some people I know from time to time. I'm trying to decide which info is relevant to your question when it comes to my resume. ^^'
I'm thinking either grey knights or yes I know its traitorous but loyal iron warriors because if they are absovlers they maybe feel they need forgiveness of their crimes
the answer clearly is in their vow to defend said system. either there's something there important to their past, or their obsession with keeping their word has something to do with they once being traitors, or both.
The Ultramarines became the biggest chapter because they received troops from both the second and eleventh chapters having had their memories wiped by Malcador. Witnesd the Soul Drinkers, believed to be from the lmperial Fists chapter it turned out to be not so.
Yes, but remember it's also likely (given how all data pertaining to the existence of the Lost Legions was purposefully erased from Imperial records) that they had their original progenoids removed and replaced with new ones. The reason why this is possible is because when Epimetheus was first inducted into the Grey Knights, his original Dark Angel progenoids were removed and replaced with new ones made especially for the Grey Knights (source: Pandorax).
Nope. The Black Templars and Crimson Fists for instance are both shown to also lack those organs (there's even a diagram detailing this in the 5th edition Black Templar codex for instance).
The name could also suggest absolution from the shame of the Unforgiven, or the curse of the black rage even if that is only believed and returns in a similar manner to the Lamentors. Traitor stock isn’t impossible but it feels less likely than Ultramarines, Blood Angels or Dark Angels.
I bet they are Ultramarines! It’s Ultramarines right? Totally Ultramarines! Huge Ultramarines vibe with all that strength and honor… you know statistically they are likely Ultramarines.
I want to marry her voice, don’t tell anyone though… personal theory here, White Scars… possibly made up from the portions of the Legion that sided with Horus, saw the error of their ways and were sent on a penance crusade… though I don’t remember if there was any survivors…
Weshammer speaking badly about Space Marine Chapters: "The Ultramarines are just better at everything. They're stronger, faster, oh yeah they also have bigger dicks!" That never gets old! 😂
Space Marines can eat the dead to gain their memories. Blood Angels drink the blood of Sanguinius, Also sometimes they freak out and relive his memories, just saying...
I'm thinking either grey knights or yes I know its traitorous but loyal iron warriors because if they are absovlers they maybe feel they need forgiveness of their crimes
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So one of our hypotheses was indeed proven correct!
Great well of storytelling there. Could cover the onset of the black rage/red thirst within the chapter and their attempts to hide or reconcile it.
Niceeeee vampire vibes in my wng campaigns!!!
What about Iron Warrior/Blood Angels?
A bit of a wild suggestion here, but I’m tempted to suggest the Absolvers might be of the 114th Grand Battalion of the Iron Warriors, a unit that, despite being traitor at the onset of the heresy, would switch back to being loyal again after being reminded that “the path of honour remained”.
The 114th was also noted to have fought with ferocity that was likened to world eaters, and perhaps crucially, their official fate following the scouring is unknown, as their leader more or less seperated himself from his men after the switch back to the loyalist side, being part of a blackshield group since purged from imperial record, minus the forge world of Mezoa.
That is quite possible.
And it should also be noted, that the 4 Legion was known for their ferocity and aggressiveness during assaults.
Honestly I often wonder if some of these chapters are descended from one of the lost legions. The primarchs were erased but it was heavily implied that the legion soldiers were actually passed off to other legions (mainly the ultramarines. Which is part of the reason the ultramarine legion was so large.)
This would explain both the name and the chapters notable ideal of honoring oaths. They broke their oath to the emperor once, and never intend to break another.
@@markcarpenter6020 Except we have at least one mention of the gene-seed of Astarte's moved into new Legions/Chapters having their Progenoid glands exchanged for their new Legion/Chapters Primarch. Suggesting this happened to surviving Astartes of the 2nd and 11th Legion who were moved into the Imperial Fists and Ultra Marines. Though now that I think about it there is one other traitor legion of old known for their ferocity in close combat and who a loyalist chapter made from would live forever seeking 'absolution' and would honor their word/vows as dear to them as their very lives....Lunar Wolves.
So glad someone’s finally paying attention to the Wrath & Glory original stuff.
I just hoped the Expansion Book “Vow of Absolution” dedicated to them would have come out by now.
In before this video is completely invalidated by that book when it finally comes out xD
@@40KTheoriesI am still Waiting for that Book, W&G is such an Awsome game, and i love it. I dit Ask Cublic 7 3 or 4 times Via Mail. First they said, May or April, Then they said somewhere in summer last in August when i remember correct and last time i asked they Said there will be info coming out last in October, but still no info. and they Released a lot of other books NO ONE ASKED FOR, WHO THE HECK NEEDS AOS GOD DAMMIT?! But Redacted Record 2 Was Super Awsome, i like the New Talents, Rules how to make Mixed Tier Games, and making my own Relics and Giving the Sisters and Mechanicus more tools to work with. But a Little Pro Tip Use the Webside Doctors of doom, they have a Character Creator and a Large ammount of Homebrew stuff. The best homebrew stuff is (An Abundance of Apocrypha) they have a lot of HH stuff and even Custodes stuff and Imperial Assassins.
With all the potential traitor-decended chapters we have. It wouldn't surprise me if they were loyalist World Eaters.
The carcharadons were the war hounds that never felt a connection to angron and went into exile instead of taking the butchers nails. Word bearers are more likely than world eaters.
@@RandomPlacebo I thought the Carcharadons were the Terran veterans of the Raven Guard that were exiled upon reunification with their Primarch.
@Blipvertus yes and no. The most accepted theory is they were a mix of the exiled ravenguard and loyalist night lords. Their geneseed is speculated in universe to be chimaric
@@RandomPlacebothat the Minotaurs.
@@KeeperOfSecrets-42069 The Minotaurs are chimeric
Great video!
Sorry I missed this from before!
No problem 😊
Since I'm currently DMing a campaign in Wrath&Glory, I listened to the material with pleasure and would be happy to listen to more :)
I’m happy you’re doing this series again, it’s my favorite on this channel
Be sure to check out our previous theory video (about Genestealers during the Great Crusade) in case you missed it :)
Great video - fantastic narration by Nae as ever when she pitches in! fun to learn about a Chapter I'd never heard of ^^
The name Absolvers to me says they're descended from loyalist elements of the Word Bearers.
That was my first thought, too...
In all serious though, I think that they are jaghatai Khan's boys, descended from the ones that betrayed him during that little Mutiny that popped off and then were sent out to die on Crusade I think some of them survived and actually formed a chapter, I mean look at their armor it's white and freaking red and their name is the absolver It just fits perfectly, and the white scars are known for going into a battle frenzy when they're in the heat of it I mean these dudes laugh while they're purging! So I'm thinking that they are definitely space mongolians! LOL
Ah, the sagyar mazan, in chapter form? Was about to say that. Mantis warriors were said to be quite ferocious too(and they are of white scar geneline).
Honestly I like the theory that some of these mystery chapters are actually descended from the lost legions. It's been heavily implied that when those two legions were erased the surviving Marines were split up and given to other legions. With most of them going to the ultramarines (which is part of the reason the ultramarines were such a large legion)
I suspect Dark Angels, myself. The Lion was known for being particularly stubborn, the Angels' and their successors are extremely secretive, and the name Absolvers fits in with the common and generally religious nomenclature used by the Sons of the Lion.
Also, I have heard that Russ was a knight playing savage, while the Lion was a savage playing knight. He had a very aggressive temper, leading to such things as outright stabbing Russ... a group of frenzied fighters could easily be his kin.
I like the World Eaters (or rather, Warhounds) idea.
Their colour scheme matches up pretty closely too.
Isnt this bassicly the White Scars colour scheme? No blue for World Eaters/Warhounds.
@@Garoslol white scars are more white than this. Very different shade. This one reminds me of the Warhounds off-white, and the blue is replaced with a gunmetal grey on the Absolvers
@@DISTurbedwaffle918 I just think the blue makes World Eaters colour scheme so iconic. This is just full white-ish with some red markings. Very basic like White Scars.
Salamanders? Defending mortals to the death is a known characteristic. And the black skin of the Salamanders is, I think, because of the conditions on Nocturne and not a genetic flaw.
Salamanders skin is from being on the plant
@@MastemaJackit’s not Terran salamanders had the black skin to
It’s a part of their gene seed
@joshley1320 there are none they are all from off world
@joshley1320 some did naturally but it wasn't the void darkness that the Nocturne salamanders have. That was just their skin
My favorite chapter and favorite mentioned in the same video? This is a great day even though I am sick.
Get well soon!
Just in time to add some spice to the wrath and glory campaign
No better way too start the day with this new upload while my almost 4yo watches with me. And knows her 40k stuff better then me😂
Really well done
Sweet glad to know of another chapter in a theory video
I swear, it's always le Traitor Primarch with these chapters. For once I would like to see my expectations subverted.
Honestly? If it wasn't for their name being the Absolvers (and therefore linked to the word Absolved) a traitor connection wouldn't have even crossed our minds lol.
Sofar, only one guy managed to do just that (subvert expectations, the right way, forget/eff that ruin johnson guy), and it was a war3 custom campaign map maker by name of Xetant.
Ty for all that you do
F*cking damn it! I had the same paint scheme in mind for my chapter "The Guardians of Eternity"!
Gonna file it under "administrative error during thr Founding".
I definitely find it unlikely for the Absolvers to be children of Ferrus Manus, as they lack any outright connection to the Adeptus Mechanicus or technology as a whole, and appear to have a standard rate of augmetic usage as opposed to the extreme rates displayed by the Iron Hands and many of their successors. I would find it more likely for them to be descended from the White Scars (due to their armor coloration, disposition) or Ultramarines (sheer number of successors, rigidity and adherence to the Codex)
Its odd people forget there are many confirmed Ultramarine successor chapters known for the brutality and ferocity in battle, especially at close quarters. Ultramarines and even Guillemin himself are known for intense bouts of rage in combat. Its just that they have control over it, most of the time, rather than it controlling them. Something to remember the Angeron was not violent before the Butchers nails and now its believed the most violent members of the Warhounds were like Haar. Last generation Thunder Warrior candidates who were made into Warhounds rather than Thunder Warriors.
I always figured them for white scars successors due to their behaviors
When people are discussing these mystery chapters why is it the lost legions are almost never mentioned as an option. While the primarchs and the legions were erased its been heavily implied (hell they may have flat out stated it somewhere by now) that the surviving Marines of those legions were split among other legions with most of them going to the ultramarines (which is part of the reason their legion was so large). So it is at least theoretically possible that not only are some of the mystery chapters decended from them but even some of the offical ultramarine successor chapters ad well.
It depends on whether or not the lost legionnaires retained their original gene-seed, or if their progenoids were replaced with ones from their new legions. We know this sort of thing does happen, since Epimetheus, upon being inducted into the Grey Knights (as shown in the novel Pandorax), had his original Dark Angel progenoids removed and replaced with Grey Knight ones.
@@40KTheories that can definitely be debated. But we know that the gene banks on Tera contains gene seed from all 20 legions. So it's still possible a mystery chapter could be descended from them. After all the emperor made each legion for a specific purpose (alpha legion were black ops, night lords were terror tactics, iron warriors siege specialists, etc). So the high lords might have needed whatever one of those legions was a specialist of. The big problem is we know so little about the lost legions (we don't know their temperament, battle style , gene flaws or anything else) that they are always a possibility but with no way to prove it's from them.
They could also be descended from the Luna Wolves, couldn't they?
Technically they could be even be descended from one of the lost legions. It was heavily implied that when those two legions were erased the surviving Marines were scattered among the other legions (with most going to the ultramarines)
Maybe those Lamenters most prone to the Black Rage were killed before they succumbed to it.
In which case, it would be the only good luck the Lamenters ever had!
Was this A.I.? Or just effects?
Negative, got it! Absolvers are pretty wicked! Enjoyed the delivery and content. Her voice is almost too smooth lol.
None of this is A.I
Naerina is simply Finnish.
@40KTheories Then that was awesome! Apologies if that came off too direct. That was a very crisp delivery. Hats off, nicely done! Seems like ai is getting applied to more facets of content. Thank you for clarifying. Appreciate your content very much!
Thank you, I'm flattered. Don't worry, Remleiz has to explain in nearly every video I'm featured in that I'm actually a person and not a software. I was just taught to speak English like this. ^^'
@10dice You're welcome! Ok glad I'm not the only one to ask. Is this your only voice work project?
@@DoomStroller 40K Theories is where you can hear my voice the most but I've been If the Emperor had a Text-to-Speech Device, was in an audio drama by Cold Open Stories, did some mod voice work for a DoW mod, have had some other non-40K related work in a video game and a youtube animated series. Plus the odd things I'm doing for some people I know from time to time. I'm trying to decide which info is relevant to your question when it comes to my resume. ^^'
I'm thinking either grey knights or yes I know its traitorous but loyal iron warriors because if they are absovlers they maybe feel they need forgiveness of their crimes
the answer clearly is in their vow to defend said system. either there's something there important to their past, or their obsession with keeping their word has something to do with they once being traitors, or both.
Can you guys cover the Pale Throng and Miasma Redcowls
These guys give me Iron Warriors vibes ngl
The Ultramarines became the biggest chapter because they received troops from both the second and eleventh chapters having had their memories wiped by Malcador.
Witnesd the Soul Drinkers, believed to be from the lmperial Fists chapter it turned out to be not so.
Yes, but remember it's also likely (given how all data pertaining to the existence of the Lost Legions was purposefully erased from Imperial records) that they had their original progenoids removed and replaced with new ones. The reason why this is possible is because when Epimetheus was first inducted into the Grey Knights, his original Dark Angel progenoids were removed and replaced with new ones made especially for the Grey Knights (source: Pandorax).
@40KTheories what if there was not enough 13th geneseeds for a whole legion?
Doesnt the imperial fists gene deficiency apply to the modern chapter only? As opposed to the entire gene line.
Nope. The Black Templars and Crimson Fists for instance are both shown to also lack those organs (there's even a diagram detailing this in the 5th edition Black Templar codex for instance).
The name could also suggest absolution from the shame of the Unforgiven, or the curse of the black rage even if that is only believed and returns in a similar manner to the Lamentors. Traitor stock isn’t impossible but it feels less likely than Ultramarines, Blood Angels or Dark Angels.
Were there any loyalist world eaters who had the butcher's nails? Seems like that'd be no fun.
Macer Varren still had the Butcher's Nails.
@40KTheories Yeesh. That's tough. Also awesome. Thanks.
Yo those are the Wrath And Glory guys
Yup ^^
I bet they are Ultramarines! It’s Ultramarines right? Totally Ultramarines! Huge Ultramarines vibe with all that strength and honor… you know statistically they are likely Ultramarines.
Turns out they actually aren't!
They're clearly from the Custodes. The clue is in the name: ABsolvers. The solvers of abs.
I want to marry her voice, don’t tell anyone though… personal theory here, White Scars… possibly made up from the portions of the Legion that sided with Horus, saw the error of their ways and were sent on a penance crusade… though I don’t remember if there was any survivors…
Weshammer speaking badly about Space Marine Chapters:
"The Ultramarines are just better at everything. They're stronger, faster, oh yeah they also have bigger dicks!"
That never gets old! 😂
Space Marines can eat the dead to gain their memories. Blood Angels drink the blood of Sanguinius, Also sometimes they freak out and relive his memories, just saying...
Absolvers?
Abs-lovers sound way better
*Tzeenchian laugh*
There no logic if they form a loyalties primearch why keep it so secret
12th
A chapter that refuses to fully become a primaris chapter nice
Cool, another dull fanfic chapter that's "frenzied in close quarters combat" haven't heard that like a million times. 🙄
I'm thinking either grey knights or yes I know its traitorous but loyal iron warriors because if they are absovlers they maybe feel they need forgiveness of their crimes