Wow, I remember watching the interview on RTÉ, didn't know there had been uproar in England about it. The man is entitled to his own opinion, that was the whole point of the interview.
was more of a reaction online as the show isn't broadcast in England. so I suspect a lot of americans and just people hiding behind anonymity kicking up a fuss for no reason
@@deltanovember1672 You wanted the evidence. Here is the evidence. An argument made for if there was no God versus if there was a God. If there was no God: Let's go. Things would be random. It would mean that for no reason, the big bang would be a random event. It would mean that every atom in space would have free will to do as they please. Light would be able to zig zag. A rock would talk. Now, nothing would have order because it doesn't need to. Earths could be flat, box shaped, there would be great diversity, but at what cost? There would never exist life, the existence of life is the solid proof that there is a God. Why there is God: Let's Go. You can google this. Everything in the universe has order. The fact that the universe has order is because it follows certain principles. Principles that can be observed and put into maths and equations. The fact that they are the same throughout a great fabric of space proves the existence of God. For example: If God didn't exist, a car if it were even possible for man to exist to make it. Would do the exact same thing and go 120kph the first time and light speed the next time. The formulaes of maths and the laws of physics are denoted to have come from a creative consciousness. Meaning the maths and laws of physics that govern the world existed before everything was created and in a creative consciousness that we have come to inherit from this creator. Ideas are wrote from a realm that doesn't exist in the physical space which is the mind, the mind can hold a great deal of knowledge and create new ideas from nothingness, which show that this creative consciousness was very much alive at the beginning. Meaning that if the universe follows a strict set of principles, a creative consciousness wrote those ideals. The discovery proves that ideas existed before the big bang such that after the big bang, the universe would do as instructed, meaning creation was not by accident. Meaning a God wanted and created all of this. The fact that the principles of maths and laws of physics are obeyed is in by itself a clear indicator that this world was designed and it has been proven true randomness doesn't exist even at the quantum level. So God does exist, it's scarily true. His existence is written in the stars and on how perfect planet earth is for life and also on how well designed the human body and brain is, if any single variable changes on earth, life would never have taken shape, like the earth is the perfect size, the perfect distance from the sun, it has an atmosphere, it has the moon to keep the oceans from ravaging the land. The beauty in creation shows the astonishing power of the God who created it all. Some people choose to blame the creator for a miniscule part of the problems that teaches him to be good because they have experienced or seen bad which is also perfect and key for self betterment, just because a few are sacrificed for many, God is called a monster. Well, one can either worship him or choose their path, but it's all not fiction that he exists. This is the evidence that God must exist. How to talk to him? Prayer. Will he answer? Yes. Will you like it? No or Yes. God wrote these principles and the principles in the universe are for a fair world, seek him and you shall find him. Whether he'd go against the laws he's made. I don't think any Government makes a law that it'll break, because msot people are dissappointed because they pray in a way that would need the laws of fairness to be broken which is selfish. However in the bible Jesus died for all to appease this Government. In all religions Christianity is closest to the truth if not the truth. Man's ills are because of his experimentation. People like to eat all sorts of things we didn't eat before. Test the application of new chemicals and abuse the use of certain substances believing they should be immortal and when they have a baby with defects, they want to blame God. People launch wars because they want to kill, but label it in the name of God and so thousands die. God is to blame for apparently every single thing that happens to man. The world has enough wealth for everyone, but immorality separates its unity. Man is at fault, man should never blame God. For even animals don't do it. They live principled lives even if they don't like it because the chance to live life in itself is a great gift, because this universe is the most perfect universe that could have ever been created, meaning its writer is even Greater. That's all on God exists and how he deserves praise.
@@IainTheWizard thats the trouble. You dont bother to seek so you dont find. St Augstine said it best: "Oh Lord our hearts are restless until they rest in thee!" It is rather funny. I coming from an atheistic type life to now realise how wrong I was. The spiritual life is the total opposite to what we percieve as normal life. To know God one must be humble and like a child. To be accepted in this world, one must strive to get to the top, to be the best one can be. In the spiritual life the last shall first and in this life the first will be last. In other words, you must see past the veil of this world as it is a test. The learned and so called knowledgeable are not that at all. They must humble themselves. Go back to the basics. I have found peace in the Catholic faith and it is the one true faith. Please seek with all your heart and all your mind and dont dismiss or you will miss the arc.
I've just watched the segment of the program with Gay Byrne and I found myself constantly nodding while listening to Fry. He was and is *so* right there.
@@RocketKirchner Whataboutism. Not very classy. This is about religion. Not about a monarchy. If you can't see the difference, you're far gone. But then again, that's no surprise. Since you're probably religious.
I can off you the one religion that is actually true. Islam: it isn’t man made, and no question is too hard for it. With Islam, I can, Alhamdullillah, answer any and all questions you, other atheists, or anyone else can through at it. On top of that, I can provide actual proof that Islam is the truth, without any BS or throwing bible verses at you, asking you to have blind faith. Above all, I can offer you a simple test that you can try at home, easily, that can allow you to prove thé existence of Allah (S.W.T.) as that One and Only God and your Creator. Interested?
@@mjp8845 I am not interested in useless talk. If you are so afraid of intellectual discussion and ask difficult questions, that is your loss. I gave you an opportunity to have any of your life’s questions answered; if you refuse this opportunity, that’s on you bud. Do not come on the Day of Judgment blaming anyone but yourself.
@@NazmusLabs Intellectual back to you Bud ! The one true religion not man made ?! How pompous of you ! You and that statement are exactly what is wrong . You do not allow it to be questioned therefore your idea of intellectual debate is both absurd and pointless as only what you say counts . I am bored now so please go seek somebody else to have open minded discourse with .
@@mjp8845 If you are an actual intellectual, you would have made real, intellectual arguments and questions, not throw useless complaints, which children often do when confronted with reality. Either ask the hard questions like “why does evil exist”, “explain evolution”, “The laws of physics and where does God come in this”, “What came before God”, or “What is the purpose of life”. Don’t insult your own intelligence. I am a Muslim and I value intelligence and logical thought. If you want to be emotional and prefer ignorance, that’s your choice. And it further convinces me that I am right and Islam is right whereas atheists are ignorant, wrong, and does not value intellectual thought.
@@NazmusLabs such superior response as anticipated . Clearly why the violence and ignorance will continue to fester . Blame it on Atheists as you will . They have not created the issues. Religion is responsible for that . Your refusal to accept that yours is as flawed and man manufactured as the rest is proof . Once again Goodbye .
***** If God exists, She certainly doesn't seem to want anyone to know that She does. Why play the Game of Faith, when it would be so much easier to peel open the sky some day and look down and say, "I do exist. Now love each other."? Theology consists of three things: a bunch of rationalization explaining why God allows such evil things to happen; a hoked up, sadly non-existent, system of justice by which the "bad" will be punished and the "good" will be rewarded; and gentle urging for those who don't believe in Hell to be good anyway. It's all so unnecessary. A man who does right even though no one is watching and who expects no reward is FAR SUPERIOR morally and spiritually to a man who does right because he is anxious about being punished at some point if he doesn't. Of the three Abrahamic religions, Judaism seems to come closest to the truth because it treats morality as something to be endlessly debated and seen from different perspectives. But even that hasn't prevented the Likud Party from becoming a moral catastrophe. There IS such thing as right and wrong but at the moment Christianity, Judaism, and Islam seem to be utterly at sea about which is which. 1. Do no harm to others A. because you would not want harm to be done to you, but more importantly B. because you love others too much to do them harm. 2. Help others and alleviate their suffering, either because you have in the past needed help, or, better, sheerly out of love. These two Abrahamic ideas are all you need. The rest of the holy books are just fairy tales. These profound ideas should be taught and learned once and for all in kindergarten. Grown-up seminarians are far too old to be hearing them for the umpteenth time. I would be more patient with "the religious" if so many of them weren't so goddamned hypocritical. Even to the point of becoming bloodthirsty. Atheists are concerned that if we encourage people to abandon religion, those people will sink to even deeper levels of depravity than when they were devout. But at this point, I'm not sure that's possible. Morality is HARD WORK, because it means you actually have to devote part of your precious time to actively helping others. And doing NO harm to others restricts people in the corporate world in a thousand uncomfortable (and counter-profitable) ways. But I invite Muslims, Jews, and especially Christians to . . . . GIVE IT A SHOT, without all the nonsense.
***** I'm an atheist and life is certainly not a curse. I'm able to focus my thoughts, my goals, and my way of life the way I want to, instead of living around the rules of religion. If you live your life believing you'll be rewarded if you're a good human being, firstly, you'll be disappointed because when you're dead, that's it, secondly, you'll feel much better living your life as good human being because you want to.
The true answer each person can live their life however they wish, as long as one doesn't cause pain or misery for others. As it stands now, a lot if not all wars are based on religion, and people do terrible things in the name of their god. I enjoy living my life, I intend to keep enjoying life as much as I can because I know that when I die, I get no second chance, I'll have no regret or any emotions because I'll simply not exist any more.
Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man -- living in the sky -- who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do.. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! ..But He loves you... and HE NEEDS MONEY! George Carlin
I hate these feeling.sometimes i do question why god let people especially children suffer.i am now in a time of extreme depression and anxiety.wanting to commit suicide for i am no longer be able to endure my depression.i live here in the philippines in a country full of hypocrisy.i hope god loves me.for whatever the outcome is i hope he will understand and love me
It’s great to see people like Stephen Fry taking on this sunject in a honest and well articulated way he’s a treasure and a Ray of light for the human race
I can offer you something infinity better, Alhamdullillah: a true religion with solid proofs and answers to literally any questions you have, no matter how hard you think the question is. Interested?
@@RocketKirchner No question is too deep or complicated for Islam, Alhamdullillah. You are more than welcome to give it a try by asking me a question you think is very deep and hard. Insha’Allah (God Willing) you will find that Islam offers you a clear, simple answer. Interested? If so, go ahead and ask your question. May Allah (S.W.T.) guide you and bestow upon you His Blessings.
As is always the case, when someone like Fry brings up inconvenient truths, those who don't want to hear it have to try to misdirect by throwing verbal tantrums, usually with not even the vaguest attempt to counter such comments. Well done Mr Fry for bring such simple truths into the public eye.
I can, Alhamdullillah, offer you the true religion, Islam, which can answer the toughest questions with ease. It is a religion in which there are no “inconvenient truths”. It can and does answer any and all questions that atheists or anyone else can throw at it. Interested?
@@alex__3897 No you didn’t choose learning or science. If you had, you would have actually known that there is no fundamental conflict between Islam and science. You have probably seen christianity and come to conclusions that all religions are the same. That’s not scientific approach. The scientific method involves collecting data and making observations to support or disprove a hypothesis. Islam is the ONLY religion based on testable PROOF and not blind faith. Most importantly sincerely ask your Creator to guide you. It only takes a few seconds.
I couldn't agree more with Stephen's point. As a parent of a child with cancer (leukemia, not osteosarcoma), it really annoys me when someone talks about 'God's will' or tries to justify it in some pathetic way. He's spot on.
There *is* Good and Evil in this world. Almost no one argues with that no matter what they believe in or not. So there's God and Devil. And it's obviously not God who allows terrible things. He's just not able or willing to interfere for whatever reason.
@@NazmusLabs The question I want answered is would anyone be religious if they weren't brought up to be so? Of course not. If nobody brainwashed children to believe in magic then they simply wouldn't in this day and age. Religion is archaic and harmful to the advancement of science and equality.
@@connormccallen6583 And Islam has answered all the questions about these issues? If you are interested, go ahead and ask any question that you always had in your life but could not find the answer to. Insha’Allah (God Willing) you will see that Islam is able to clearly answer them.
@@connormccallen6583 Except Christianity cannot answer all the questions. Example: what happens to all the good deeds of non-believers? Islam can answer this.
LuAnn Sunsdahl how wrong .....what about believers that day in day out devote themselves to god and god alone huh? The whole purpose of religions is that they fill in this “gap of knowledge” and your argument preached is just so damn wrong.God isn’t just a pit stop where we say right I don’t know therefore it is gods fault? What!? And finally god doesn’t just reassure people it depends on what perspective you view god ....btw soz this was a rant but ya know peeps have opinions
A cup of Tae with some kookie and suga anyone? Definition of the word faith: "strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof."...it's the "rather than proof" part I am addressing... Where I would say "I don't know, yet", while I continue to strive toward natural truths and facts... religion says, "I don't know, it must be the will of God"...God works in mysterious ways."..."you just have to take it on faith"... When I hear someone say, "I just have faith"...what I hear is "I give up searching for natural truths, it's easier to say it's the paranormal".
I totally agree with Stephen. In my veiw religion is a sick, twisted form of Stockholm syndrome. You have your tormentor, torturer and ultimate master playing the most evil games and tricks on you by intentionally bringing pain and misery upon you. And then he expects you to love and worship him your entire life due to the few good things he does for you and if you don't worship him it will not only be a lifetime of torment and torture but an eternity of torment and torture in the fires of hell. But if you do worship him you get the reward of being able to spend eternity with the psychopathic maniac who tormented you your entire life. Now I'm not saying everyone is tormented by god. Infact most people are not. But what about the thousands of religious people dying and losing loved ones due to unpreventable disease and parents losing their children to unpreventable cancer. The billions of religious people living in dire poverty. The millions who lose their lives, loved ones and homes due to natural disaster. Those forced to live unbearable lives due to horrendously painful illness. We should not worship this maniac of a god. We should hurl desecration at his name.
sebb sibb yes completely oblivious at the bottom of a hole until I rot away and the molecules that once made me are absorbed by plants or eaten by insects.
+thebiopguy you are focusing narrowly on just one of the religious theories -apparently the judeochristian deity. your assesment is thus very lacking and unscientific generalizing religion just on the view of the mainstream judeochristians deity. if you consider a dualistic system of for example the gnostics or the zoroastrians then you don´t come up with the problem you are referring to.
on one of my videos I've been accused of being a ''friend of Stephen Fry''....I'd proudly wear that badge 6feet across with giant exclamation marks, but sadly, I've never had the pleasure of making his acquaintance, although I would greatly treasure the opportunity.
I don't believe Stephen Fry would predict other people's emotions, thoughts or reactions, let alone opinions. Only Stephen Fry knows who or what he likes or doesn't.
One could argue that suffering is God's way of testing us to see if our faith is legitimate, because if the world had no suffering and everything was peachy, we wouldn't even consider God or take him for granted. So in this sense, our sufferings and sacrifices can be redemptive in some senses.
He has the right to say what he said as long as the majority is Christian, wait till the majority is Muslim, then try. Maybe at that point you, Dawkins and certain others might wished you hadn't bothered undermining the Christian position in our society.
It is obviously something that you would treat as shit, our faith, but even if it was, usually a person can tolerate the small of their own far better than other people's. Europe on the other hand cannot wait to get rid of the faith principles which guided its own history, and replace them with those of the main historical enemy.
@@bakedbeans5494 no, no they can't. I'd argue that there is a good chance that Stephen Fry knows the bible better than a fair percentage of Christians.
It's simple really... Life is bleak. There is no meaning. There is no life after death. We are a lonely planet within an incomprehensibly vast and dark universe. Along comes a fairytale that answers all our eternal questions, gives meaning to life, promises an afterlife and offers comfort and hope, sorely needed in hard times. The only catch is that you have to 'believe', and to believe you have to abandon all rational thought and objectivity. No questions. You also have to subscribe to sometimes strict and punitive rules and regulations, but it's worth it for the comfort blanket. The comfort blanket works better if you believe in it more, and this translates to being surrounded by like minded 'believers'. This is why there are churches, temples and mosques. They are all designed to 'reinforce'. If other people believe, then it must be true. The comfort blanket becomes stronger, warmer and feels more protective. How can millions of people be wrong? An Emperor's New Clothes dynamic develops, akin to mass delusion - a self fulfilling cycle that strengthens itself. The only fly in the ointment is when a non believer challenges the belief system. The very belief system that brings comfort and endorphins (literally). A battle ensues - happiness, meaning and comfort, but an abandonment of rational thought... OR... rational thought, and no comfort blanket. Like a drug addict, the theist clings tightly onto their comfort blanket and lashes out aggressively... Any self doubt cannot be allowed to develop. There can be no stopping to think logically, otherwise it means the end of the comfort blanket. This is why the religious hate atheists.
I'm religious and I don't hate all atheists. I don't even know if God exists, but I like to believe that He/She/It does. I only hate the atheists who feel it is their sole duty to make me unhappy by commenting things like this. Why, assuming God does not exist, will you not allow me to live in blissful ignorance? Why does that anger you so much?
Gra Piken If it gives millions comfort, why try to take that away? Everyone, including u, is entitled to our own beliefs. But to put others down, or force ur own onto others makes no sense to me. In that, I find, is the cruelty.
@@chrispatel8519 I agree with you Chris I am a Catholic and I dont hate atheists either My best friend is an atheist but he respects me and I reapect him In fact we have family holidays togeather 3 childen each and we all get on just fine Life is too short to be full of hate.
+Advanced Rider Training Because it means they've sold out to their comfort zone - they're comfortable having someone else make their decisions for them, telling them what to think and what they can and can't do. For many people, being 'conscious' and looking past the ends of their own snouts is a frightful prospect. It would mean self-responsibility - heaven forbid!
A.R.T. Cause there afraid there's nothing after this life. They want the fairy tale ending. & that's okay to. But everyone is entitled to there point of you. They just didn't like Stephens frys anserw.
No just the radical Catholics. Some religious nut complained to RTE over his comments but he was never prosecuted because a large number need to be offended. You won't find alot of religious people here in Ireland today despite what Google says. I'm so happy we are repealing these dark age blasphemy laws they have been criticised as backwards for years.
@@stephenpigot7057 I wouldn't say that's accurate not even what their saying now until they repeal the blasphemy laws in seanead eirenn I won't trust it. If the country was 90% Catholic we wouldn't have a majority to repeal blasphemy laws, legalised abortion, even legalised gay equality. I remember these referendums the Catholics all came out showing their true colours. Nah mate its more atheist. I used to be Catholic and yes then Ireland pretty much was Catholic but now I'm atheist and being atheist in Ireland is the majority, well in the Republic of Ireland at least.
@@irishpride2993 tbh I agree with you .one of these days a religious census will come out and shock everyone ...people questioning faith are being driven away from it by the David Quinn and John waters of Catholic Ireland
@@declanfoley7562 I don't know if the blasphemy laws( repealed at last) has something to do with it or our government with it's ideology for "Christian democracy." Hopefully in 2021 census we will an atheist majority. We really need a government that has less religious views the same goes for our senators as it was brought up to remove religion from Hate speech laws(a senator wanted to remove all of religious content from the Defamation Act 2009) religion is still in Hate speech laws. Thankfully no one follows those laws.
Why does god cause misery etc? The answer is of course because a woman ate a magic apple that a snake told her to eat therefore its an imperfect creation making god very petty indeed.
When I first heard Stephen Fry was under investigation for blasphemy, I thought he was in some middle eastern country; but then Ireland has always been rather fanatic about their God and sinners.
Not so long ago blasphemy and heresy were dealt with in an incredibly agonisingly barbaric horrendous ritual of evisceration , beheading , drowning plus numerous other forms of extreme torture in the name of an invisible all powerful , all knowing ,all merciful blah blah unseen entity who created us allegedly in his/her image etc etc . That sort of omnipotence I do not go for . Thank humanity for the likes of Fry and all those of infinitely greater intelligence ,eloquence , humility , logic , resolve and wit than I who have taken on the mantle of question and derision in pursuit of truth and common sense . They question the written word and despotic actions of centuries ago barbarians in their insane quest to enforce nonsense upon the World . It is at the forefront and governs everything that the World is about today . A time of extreme oppression , illiteracy and enforced blind obedience under sufferance of agonising death . That religion was forced upon the masses by those who carried out the enforcement as instructed by their Almighty for the benefit of all . What absolute entitled bullshit of the highest order ! If I believe in Hell at least I apparently have a pretty good idea of what the Devil is about and what awaits me . In respect of Heaven I am somewhat at a loss . Contradictory to say the least . All power to Messrs Dawkins , Fry , Hitchen , Leonardo to name but a few who have resolved to ask the questions. To date they have received no satisfactory response.
Because for many religious people, god is their psychotherapist. Read "Religion for Atheists" by Alain de Botton, if you're interested in that. It's quite telling as to why people might have started to belief these fictional things
such a mature responds if you hate religious people come take us on and see what will happen this country is full of shit, and why do you assume that people who believe in god need a psych consult just because we dont what to be part of this digusting twisted society and what to live by some decent moral standards we are being condemed , please do not listen to people like this
You mean the God, who thought the world into existence? The God who destroyed entire cities? This God exists, and He will judge us all one day. I would love to see what kind of "hell" you can give Him.
'Bone cancer in children. What's that all about? How dare you!' That's just a perfect argument. It's horribly true but it sums up god in a nutshell. A sadistic tormentor of humanity.
@Sam It is a cheap exploitation of suffering of which Fry, evidently, is unable to come close to grasping, understanding or having anything worthwhile to contribute.
@Sam Carey I love Lex's line in BVS on God 'If God is all powerful, then he cannot be all good. If he all good, he cannot be all powerful'. Is God ambivalent about people's suffering, or lacking the power to change it, or significantly?
@Spidey Those prepositions were posited on the front of Time back in the 90s, I think. "God is all good. God is all powerful. Bad things happen. - the three cannot be true." The 'gap' being what is evil? Which neither Time magazine nor Stephen Fry, as one of us little humans even given the breadth of human wisdom can answer. Jung gave 'Job' his usual satanic approach. It remains disgusting to exploit the suffering to bolster one's lucrative sophistry.
very true . it also must stand up to mystery for those asking the question ,. to even think for a moment that our finite little pea brains can understand the things that are infinite then make pronouncements like Fry made is hubris and silly . he should know better as an educated and cultered man .
Don't waste your time talking about it. God is a figment of people's imagination. It comes from centuries ago when humans were somewhat ignorant. The notion of a God is complete B/S !! Most intelligent and educated people today realise this !
it's 2015 and still someone is considered "brave" or "genius" for simply being honest, using basic logic, and having integrity. Yikes! Religious people have got to realize the damage they are doing!
Ignoring the fact that most cancers are man made including child bone cancer and pointing the blame to a cloud dweller is what makes it stupid in the first place.
Sorry If I'm being a wanker here but cancer is not man made. It's a mutation of your own cells it exists inside of us all. Though you're right in the respect that "man made" working environments can assist the mutation. And Stephan doesn't blame cloud dwellers because he thinks they are as real as the tooth fairy. I think you may of missed his point entirely.
The whole point is that if the "god" was benevolent, there would never be ANYTHING bad in the universe if he cared about living beings suffering. You missed the point entirely.
John Crichton It is man who polluted God's perfect planet with his evil, God gave us a perfect world and we corrupted everything. No wonder our society is falling apart, the atheist thinks he can get by without Him and now God has turned His back on the wicked. Matthew 24:37 "But As the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."
He can believe what he wants, but as a public figure he also has to expect many people may not like "undiplomatic" things he may say. People aught to chill out though, Stephen Fry is a great Briton :)
kath2ndrew and proving how stupid you are I rebut with. how do you know the majority of the people on this earth belive in a supreme being.. Also there's more than one earth. News to me.
The majority of the people on earth believing in a supreme being is a fact - look it up on google! Don't know what you mean by there's more than one earth! Are you one of those nuts who reads things into a sentence that isn't there? Also if you cannot carry on a conversation and give an opinion without verbally abusing or insulting someone - maybe you shouldn't speak!
More like the majority are made to fear a supreme being so they can be manipulated by others, usually with the promise that if they don't do as the manipulators want they will suffer when they die, but if they do as they are told they will be rewarded. When people only believe through fear of punishment, it's not really belief it's more giving in to intimidation and erring on the side of religion for personal safety. Mind you if there was a god they would be in hell going by the rules of the religion as they are guilty of many sins. Pride, mass murder and jealousy being the most blatant 3, and they would need to be held up to their own standards to be truly just as opposed to the usual "they are god they can do what they want" garbage.
kath2ndrew Because the majority are under-educated and have nothing to live for. So they pretend there is some being in the sky :D Nut cases if you ask me.
If atheists don't believe in God, why are they so obssessed with Him and angry as hell for his non-intervention??? It's like me blaming Santa Claus for cancer in children.
Because atheists are constantly being asked to assume that god exists, just as the interview. If you find that irritating, then please ask the religious to stop asking atheists to assume the existence of god.
Chuck Sta. Maria The 20th Century is the century when the world went atheist. It is the bloodiest century in human history. Do you really wanna play that nobody-kills-in-the-name-of-atheism card?
Chuck Sta. Maria Atheism creates a vacancy for position of "God". Man has desperately wanted to fill that position since Adam and Eve. Atheism is simply another religion with that intention. Yes, you read that correctly: atheism is another religion. So take Stalin, for example. He told his empire there is no God, the state party would be all the god they would need, and millions were killed or imprisoned for rejecting that atheist religion. Atheism kills, Chuck.
"So again I ask you what doctrine or belief does atheism give to make a man kill another?" YOu answer your own questions: Hitler, Nazism, Stalin, Kim and Communism. You're answers are text book atheism 101 answers. Nothing original. You completely blow off ancient knowledge, insight and technology. Shame. You fail to see atheism has 3 times the faith required of most religions. Why do you think atheist churches are popping up everywhere? They NEED to believe, Chuck. You cannot... repeat... CANNOT .. leave a vacancy for the seat of God. Someone has to create a basis of "truth" and/or "reason" for society. That's where the nightmares of communism, facism, nazism, etc. begin. Nobody kills in the name of atheism. but nobody kills in the name of religion either. People kill in the name of their religious categories like Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, etc. So atheist do also. (communism, socialism, facism, etc).
divcrfc (Turns to imaginary friend) Hey God, what's up (false whispers made by own mouth) What's that? I'm the 2nd coming of Christ (more false whispers), hot women should worship mah dick?! (False Whispers, and shrugs shoulders) Hey man, God said it, not me. He also said give me all of your Marijuana, hey man, take issue with God. (Sarcasm over) LOL, see how stupid you sound now?
Keturah Carpenter More emtpy words that don't bring back the dead or heal people's grief. That's why more faith is put into science than the Bible or God. God SPEAKS of healing the blind, science mans up and ACTUALLY DOES IT!
IF he stands before God, I doubt he'll ask these questions, he will be so scared after knowing the truth, that he won't be worrying about kids with bone cancer, he'll be trying to get his travel pass down south revoked! LOL
Everything Stephen Fry said was true. That’s what annoys people theses days, especially those that believe in fairy tales and place their faith in a complete fiction masquerading as an unquestionable truth. Stephen should be applauded for his candour and willingness to say what is so obviously true.
@@NazmusLabs One of my friends is in her early 30s with a young daughter and she has terminal cancer. If you can prove to me there is in fact a god then I would be amazed firstly at his existence and secondly that he should be considered benevolent and merciful. Any god that takes away good people which causes such misery, yet allows disgusting people such as Trump, Kim Jong Un, Erdogan, Bolsonaro et al to live and prosper is not a god I could ever respect let alone worship. There are obviously many other examples of neglect and needless suffering in the face of an apparent omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent being whose very existence in such circumstances contradicts his reputation (among believers obviously).
What people seeking a ticket through the pearly gates should say is that we may have every reason to fear you but we can find no reason one so ever to worship you.
Stephen Fry said that he wouldn't believe in God because there was so much evil in the world. He imagined he would confront God (with superiority in his voice) about things like bone cancer in children. God would likely respond, "Yes, Stephen, it's horrible, and you and the rest of humanity should be ashamed about it." Stephen would respond "Why should I feel bad about it? YOU created it, not me." God could respond, "No, not me. I created a perfect world for you. Some called it Eden, some called it Paradise. There was no disease, no pain, no suffering. But humanity decided they didn't like my world, they wanted to be independent of me. Your race decided they would strike out on their own, and that means living in a world where I'm not in charge. Bone cancer in children, volcanoes, earthquakes, war, all of it, is YOUR creation, not mine." Fry wants paradise without submission to God, but that's logically impossible. If God creates paradise without humans following Him, He isn't God; what Stephen Fry wants is an all-powerful djinni to grant him unlimited wishes. We can either love and submit to God- because he deserves it- and reach that perfect paradise again, or we can turn away from Him and suffer both here and in the world to come.
What a pathetically specious and flawed response. - Firstly, your points are merely your subjective belief. - Secondly, why should anyone be responsible and be punished for the actions of people that lived and died thousands of years beforehand. What would you think if you were to be arrested and locked up for the rest of your life for Nazi war crimes ? - Thirdly, if your god existed and created everything then it HAD to have created this evil that you're supposedly now trying to direct onto humans. Furthermore, as it would also be all-knowing it would have created these scenarios in full knowledge of the subsequent outcome. It's like if I lay a mouse trap for a young child to walk into, knowing full well that that child would walk into it and break its toe, and then blaming the young child for walking.
The meaning of life has nothing to do with any 'God' or any 'Religion'. Our existence in this universe is simply related to science. Religion is nothing more than a hobby, it has no place in reality!
Ricky Gervais said when religious people ask why he doesn't believe in their god he says the following. "Tell me why you don't believe in all the other religions of the world and that's why I don't believe in yours.
I've never really liked Stephen Fry...I find most of his acting borderline clownish... But the the things he said in both interviews are so spot on...You have to like and respect him for his intelligence and wittiness. This guy indeed is brilliant...
@John Rothwell you do realize things like bone cancer have been found as far back as the ancient Pharaoh's? And as you can hear for yourself, its just an example he took..Theres loads more..
I can give you something infinity better, Alhamdullillah! If you are interested, I can, Insha’Allah (God Willing), show you how Islam offers an explanation that is even more clear and logical, and how Islam can answer questions that no other person, philosophy, or religion can, including the question about the cancer. Are you interested?
@@luuko656 Are you interested to know the clear and simple answer to Mr. Fry’s questions, including the one about cancer in children? If so, let me know and ask any question you think is too difficult to answer or that you never have gotten the answer to before, and, Insha’Allah (God Willing), I can help!
Not believing in a spiritual deity does not make you intelligent. Some of the most so called intelligent people in this world have sprouted some of the most outrageous and stupid remarks I've ever heard. The fool has said in his heart there is no God, but when the chips are down, he is the one he calls out too! Ironic isn't it!
kath2ndrew Using legitimate reasoning and facts however does. I take it you are refereeing to religious scholars when you are refereeing to those so called intelligent people that make stupid remarks. Besides you should be judged by your actions not how much you suck up.
P Henry For materialists, who believe that this earthly life is all there is to our existence, then yes, sickness & hard times imposed by a creator would be cruel (but that itself would not negate a creator). But if our earthly existence is only a stepping stone to eternity, then in that context the hard times we experience here are insignificant except for the benefit we receive from them. Even the Buddhists, Hindu's, and many other non Christian groups teach that from every setback there is a lesson, for every end there is a beginning. Hard times develop our character in helping us see that which we would not have realized otherwise, & are also a test. The lessons/tests we are subjected to, difficult as they may seem, are tailored to our unique character.... everyone learns a different way, & we even learn from the suffering of others & have the opportunity to help others in their hard times.... but we don't, which tells us something about ourselves. In this context the sickness & hard-times imposed by a creator is not cruel, as it has a purpose that benefits us in the long run. The materialists think about short term only, not the long term, as they don't believe their consciousness exists after physical death. What are the materialists who believe there is no God & that our earthly life is all there is to it, doing wasting their precious time here arguing about this, when they should be cherishing the little time they have left? Is this a contradiction?
"God gave us free will it’s like saying why God let the holocaust happened?" - Firstly, no he didn't. - Secondly, that doesn't address Fry's argument. He asked why there is so much suffering that is not our fault ? Was the 2004 tsunami a result of 'free will' ? "It’s because of free will and mankind we are part of the story God is good" - Non sequitur.
This is a copy of an email sent to me by an atheist friend of mine, I personally am an apathetic agnostic. "Why should there be a creator (God)? When the Big Bang happened, two universes (or realms) were created, the physical realm where we reside now and then a spiritual realm on a different plane, where we will eventually go after our physical bodies have died, because you can not destroy energy. Thus, no need for a God, it is just a natural path from one existence into another. Physical existence on this earth is limited due to our physical nature, but our spiritual existence is forever due to our spirit nature after we leave this physical plane. There does not need to be a God, an all controlling power, whom we pray to and apparently cares about us. It is not needed. So an answer to why God allows pain, there is no God, but there is a spirit world."
Whatever you need to get you through life on earth is no issue with me, when I do have an issue is when this belief affects non believer, ie laws being made which favor religions and also any sign of homophobia, sexism, bigotry etc.
The atheist would say that because there is no evidence, it does not mean you have to leap to a supernatural answer. I understand that, as they are coming from a non belief. However you can not lump all atheists into one. Some accept there is a slight chance that a supernatural being created the universe, they would however ask "who created the creator".
Jamal The Biker why is your belief anymore logical? why is a infinate god more plausable than no god? you believe in a god that can not only think the universe up but he can magic it up aswell, but no god universe is unfathomable. why is that anymore logical? explain. god is MORE complex.
Wow, I remember watching the interview on RTÉ, didn't know there had been uproar in England about it. The man is entitled to his own opinion, that was the whole point of the interview.
was more of a reaction online as the show isn't broadcast in England. so I suspect a lot of americans and just people hiding behind anonymity kicking up a fuss for no reason
no apology needed Stephen
This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves.
- Robert G. Ingersoll
it's all well and good to have these debates. However we all must answer the single question- do we believe in God or not? I do.
@@JasonBellrealestate Based on what evidence?
@@deltanovember1672 That's a cringy question; assuming it's evidence based in the first place !
@@JasonBellrealestate No, not even remotely.
@@deltanovember1672 You wanted the evidence. Here is the evidence. An argument made for if there was no God versus if there was a God.
If there was no God: Let's go.
Things would be random. It would mean that for no reason, the big bang would be a random event. It would mean that every atom in space would have free will to do as they please. Light would be able to zig zag. A rock would talk. Now, nothing would have order because it doesn't need to. Earths could be flat, box shaped, there would be great diversity, but at what cost? There would never exist life, the existence of life is the solid proof that there is a God.
Why there is God: Let's Go.
You can google this. Everything in the universe has order. The fact that the universe has order is because it follows certain principles. Principles that can be observed and put into maths and equations. The fact that they are the same throughout a great fabric of space proves the existence of God. For example: If God didn't exist, a car if it were even possible for man to exist to make it. Would do the exact same thing and go 120kph the first time and light speed the next time. The formulaes of maths and the laws of physics are denoted to have come from a creative consciousness. Meaning the maths and laws of physics that govern the world existed before everything was created and in a creative consciousness that we have come to inherit from this creator. Ideas are wrote from a realm that doesn't exist in the physical space which is the mind, the mind can hold a great deal of knowledge and create new ideas from nothingness, which show that this creative consciousness was very much alive at the beginning. Meaning that if the universe follows a strict set of principles, a creative consciousness wrote those ideals. The discovery proves that ideas existed before the big bang such that after the big bang, the universe would do as instructed, meaning creation was not by accident. Meaning a God wanted and created all of this. The fact that the principles of maths and laws of physics are obeyed is in by itself a clear indicator that this world was designed and it has been proven true randomness doesn't exist even at the quantum level. So God does exist, it's scarily true. His existence is written in the stars and on how perfect planet earth is for life and also on how well designed the human body and brain is, if any single variable changes on earth, life would never have taken shape, like the earth is the perfect size, the perfect distance from the sun, it has an atmosphere, it has the moon to keep the oceans from ravaging the land. The beauty in creation shows the astonishing power of the God who created it all. Some people choose to blame the creator for a miniscule part of the problems that teaches him to be good because they have experienced or seen bad which is also perfect and key for self betterment, just because a few are sacrificed for many, God is called a monster. Well, one can either worship him or choose their path, but it's all not fiction that he exists. This is the evidence that God must exist. How to talk to him? Prayer. Will he answer? Yes. Will you like it? No or Yes. God wrote these principles and the principles in the universe are for a fair world, seek him and you shall find him. Whether he'd go against the laws he's made. I don't think any Government makes a law that it'll break, because msot people are dissappointed because they pray in a way that would need the laws of fairness to be broken which is selfish. However in the bible Jesus died for all to appease this Government. In all religions Christianity is closest to the truth if not the truth. Man's ills are because of his experimentation. People like to eat all sorts of things we didn't eat before. Test the application of new chemicals and abuse the use of certain substances believing they should be immortal and when they have a baby with defects, they want to blame God. People launch wars because they want to kill, but label it in the name of God and so thousands die. God is to blame for apparently every single thing that happens to man. The world has enough wealth for everyone, but immorality separates its unity. Man is at fault, man should never blame God. For even animals don't do it. They live principled lives even if they don't like it because the chance to live life in itself is a great gift, because this universe is the most perfect universe that could have ever been created, meaning its writer is even Greater. That's all on God exists and how he deserves praise.
Thank you, Mr. Fry, for giving voice to what so many of us have had to think in the privacy of our own homes.
Stephen Fry - thank you for your voice of reason - you speak for so many!
...for so many blind people
@@DivinaeMisericordiae77blind people? Hahaha you have to be kidding. The people that don't believe in a magical man in the sky are blind.? OK then🤔🤔
@@IainTheWizard thats the trouble. You dont bother to seek so you dont find. St Augstine said it best: "Oh Lord our hearts are restless until they rest in thee!" It is rather funny. I coming from an atheistic type life to now realise how wrong I was.
The spiritual life is the total opposite to what we percieve as normal life. To know God one must be humble and like a child. To be accepted in this world, one must strive to get to the top, to be the best one can be. In the spiritual life the last shall first and in this life the first will be last. In other words, you must see past the veil of this world as it is a test. The learned and so called knowledgeable are not that at all. They must humble themselves. Go back to the basics. I have found peace in the Catholic faith and it is the one true faith. Please seek with all your heart and all your mind and dont dismiss or you will miss the arc.
@@DivinaeMisericordiae77 Hahaha yeah no bother man. I'll wave you off on the arc.
@@IainTheWizard God bless you my brother Make sure to pray the rosary every day and the divine mercy chaplet
I've just watched the segment of the program with Gay Byrne and I found myself constantly nodding while listening to Fry. He was and is *so* right there.
if he is SO right then why does he as a Monarchist defend the Crown ?. look at the pain they have caused even on their own people .
@@RocketKirchner Whataboutism. Not very classy. This is about religion. Not about a monarchy. If you can't see the difference, you're far gone. But then again, that's no surprise. Since you're probably religious.
What?
Isn't it SO sad that religion has so much power on this planet, even today.
I can off you the one religion that is actually true. Islam: it isn’t man made, and no question is too hard for it. With Islam, I can, Alhamdullillah, answer any and all questions you, other atheists, or anyone else can through at it. On top of that, I can provide actual proof that Islam is the truth, without any BS or throwing bible verses at you, asking you to have blind faith. Above all, I can offer you a simple test that you can try at home, easily, that can allow you to prove thé existence of Allah (S.W.T.) as that One and Only God and your Creator. Interested?
@@mjp8845 I am not interested in useless talk. If you are so afraid of intellectual discussion and ask difficult questions, that is your loss. I gave you an opportunity to have any of your life’s questions answered; if you refuse this opportunity, that’s on you bud. Do not come on the Day of Judgment blaming anyone but yourself.
@@NazmusLabs
Intellectual back to you Bud !
The one true religion not man made ?!
How pompous of you !
You and that statement are exactly what is wrong .
You do not allow it to be questioned therefore your idea of intellectual debate is both absurd and pointless as only what you say counts .
I am bored now so please go seek somebody else to have open minded discourse with .
@@mjp8845 If you are an actual intellectual, you would have made real, intellectual arguments and questions, not throw useless complaints, which children often do when confronted with reality. Either ask the hard questions like “why does evil exist”, “explain evolution”, “The laws of physics and where does God come in this”, “What came before God”, or “What is the purpose of life”. Don’t insult your own intelligence. I am a Muslim and I value intelligence and logical thought. If you want to be emotional and prefer ignorance, that’s your choice. And it further convinces me that I am right and Islam is right whereas atheists are ignorant, wrong, and does not value intellectual thought.
@@NazmusLabs
such superior response as anticipated .
Clearly why the violence and ignorance will continue to fester .
Blame it on Atheists as you will .
They have not created the issues.
Religion is responsible for that .
Your refusal to accept that yours is as flawed and man manufactured as the rest is proof .
Once again Goodbye .
The mere mention of atheism terrifies religious people . . . perhaps because even the most devout sometimes wonder whether it's all nonsense.
***** If God exists, She certainly doesn't seem to want anyone to know that She does. Why play the Game of Faith, when it would be so much easier to peel open the sky some day and look down and say, "I do exist. Now love each other."?
Theology consists of three things: a bunch of rationalization explaining why God allows such evil things to happen; a hoked up, sadly non-existent, system of justice by which the "bad" will be punished and the "good" will be rewarded; and gentle urging for those who don't believe in Hell to be good anyway.
It's all so unnecessary.
A man who does right even though no one is watching and who expects no reward is FAR SUPERIOR morally and spiritually to a man who does right because he is anxious about being punished at some point if he doesn't.
Of the three Abrahamic religions, Judaism seems to come closest to the truth because it treats morality as something to be endlessly debated and seen from different perspectives.
But even that hasn't prevented the Likud Party from becoming a moral catastrophe.
There IS such thing as right and wrong but at the moment Christianity, Judaism, and Islam seem to be utterly at sea about which is which.
1. Do no harm to others A. because you would not want harm to be done to you, but more importantly B. because you love others too much to do them harm.
2. Help others and alleviate their suffering, either because you have in the past needed help, or, better, sheerly out of love.
These two Abrahamic ideas are all you need. The rest of the holy books are just fairy tales.
These profound ideas should be taught and learned once and for all in kindergarten. Grown-up seminarians are far too old to be hearing them for the umpteenth time.
I would be more patient with "the religious" if so many of them weren't so goddamned hypocritical. Even to the point of becoming bloodthirsty.
Atheists are concerned that if we encourage people to abandon religion, those people will sink to even deeper levels of depravity than when they were devout.
But at this point, I'm not sure that's possible.
Morality is HARD WORK, because it means you actually have to devote part of your precious time to actively helping others.
And doing NO harm to others restricts people in the corporate world in a thousand uncomfortable (and counter-profitable) ways.
But I invite Muslims, Jews, and especially Christians to . . . .
GIVE IT A SHOT, without all the nonsense.
Terrify, no. Annoying, you betcha.
***** I'm an atheist and life is certainly not a curse. I'm able to focus my thoughts, my goals, and my way of life the way I want to, instead of living around the rules of religion. If you live your life believing you'll be rewarded if you're a good human being, firstly, you'll be disappointed because when you're dead, that's it, secondly, you'll feel much better living your life as good human being because you want to.
The true answer each person can live their life however they wish, as long as one doesn't cause pain or misery for others.
As it stands now, a lot if not all wars are based on religion, and people do terrible things in the name of their god.
I enjoy living my life, I intend to keep enjoying life as much as I can because I know that when I die, I get no second chance, I'll have no regret or any emotions because I'll simply not exist any more.
***** In other words, I can go on for pages and you'll never find anything I say that you disagree with.
Thank you very much.
Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man -- living in the sky -- who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do.. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! ..But He loves you... and HE NEEDS MONEY!
George Carlin
George Carlin - what a great man
Lol God doesnt need your useless money he owns silver and gold.
List of 10 things?
I hate these feeling.sometimes i do question why god let people especially children suffer.i am now in a time of extreme depression and anxiety.wanting to commit suicide for i am no longer be able to endure my depression.i live here in the philippines in a country full of hypocrisy.i hope god loves me.for whatever the outcome is i hope he will understand and love me
@You’rejustafreaklikeme Sam is no longer with us, it was very tragic.
It’s great to see people like Stephen Fry taking on this sunject in
a honest and well articulated way he’s a treasure and a Ray of light for the human race
Philip, I totally agree, Stephen Fry says it how it is... I love the bloke!
@@Andy-wx4wx i like Fry alot and he is a brilliant thinker in so many things but he is no theologian . Questions of Theodicy are deep ones .
I can offer you something infinity better, Alhamdullillah: a true religion with solid proofs and answers to literally any questions you have, no matter how hard you think the question
is. Interested?
@@RocketKirchner No question is too deep or complicated for Islam, Alhamdullillah. You are more than welcome to give it a try by asking me a question you think is very deep and hard. Insha’Allah (God Willing) you will find that Islam offers you a clear, simple answer. Interested? If so, go ahead and ask your question.
May Allah (S.W.T.) guide you and bestow upon you His Blessings.
@@Andy-wx4wx I can offer you something even better, Alhamdullillah! Are you interested?
This great man stays great to this day
As is always the case, when someone like Fry brings up inconvenient truths, those who don't want to hear it have to try to misdirect by throwing verbal tantrums, usually with not even the vaguest attempt to counter such comments. Well done Mr Fry for bring such simple truths into the public eye.
I can, Alhamdullillah, offer you the true religion, Islam, which can answer the toughest questions with ease. It is a religion in which there are no “inconvenient truths”. It can and does answer any and all questions that atheists or anyone else can throw at it. Interested?
@@NazmusLabs 😂😂😂
@@alex__3897 You can laugh like ignorant people or engage in an intellectual conversation and be sincere in wanting to learn. The choice is yours.
@@NazmusLabs I chose learning and therefore science. U are wasting your time
@@alex__3897 No you didn’t choose learning or science. If you had, you would have actually known that there is no fundamental conflict between Islam and science. You have probably seen christianity and come to conclusions that all religions are the same. That’s not scientific approach. The scientific method involves collecting data and making observations to support or disprove a hypothesis. Islam is the ONLY religion based on testable PROOF and not blind faith. Most importantly sincerely ask your Creator to guide you. It only takes a few seconds.
I couldn't agree more with Stephen's point. As a parent of a child with cancer (leukemia, not osteosarcoma), it really annoys me when someone talks about 'God's will' or tries to justify it in some pathetic way. He's spot on.
we live in an imperfect. we told God to bug off, so he did.
God is good.
There *is* Good and Evil in this world. Almost no one argues with that no matter what they believe in or not. So there's God and Devil. And it's obviously not God who allows terrible things. He's just not able or willing to interfere for whatever reason.
@@alex.starostinif he’s not willing, he allows it. If he is unable, then he is unfit to rule over us as a “righteous” god.
@@JimBobJoeB0b Sure. But who says that he's ruling over us as a righteous God? Religion. So take it as you wish. I don't accept this take too
Common Sense prevails from Lovely Stephen Fry, perhaps the most compassionate human being.
Actually there’s something that makes even more sense and answer every question you ever had, Alhamdullillah! Are you interested?
@@NazmusLabs The question I want answered is would anyone be religious if they weren't brought up to be so? Of course not. If nobody brainwashed children to believe in magic then they simply wouldn't in this day and age. Religion is archaic and harmful to the advancement of science and equality.
The lord jesus Christ lives and died for our sins.
Stephen is correct - the best thing is that people are now discussing the issue.
people have always discussed the issue
@@connormccallen6583 And Islam has answered all the questions about these issues? If you are interested, go ahead and ask any question that you always had in your life but could not find the answer to. Insha’Allah (God Willing) you will see that Islam is able to clearly answer them.
@@NazmusLabs I am a christian and I also believe that about my faith
@@NazmusLabs then what does mohamid look like?
@@connormccallen6583 Except Christianity cannot answer all the questions. Example: what happens to all the good deeds of non-believers? Islam can answer this.
The fact that Mr. Fry says 'much bigger minds than me' makes him very humble. Because for me he is perhaps himself a very great mind.
He's an incredibly wise man.
Stephen Fry is a gentle soul so he always tries to apologize. He should have responded with Christopher Hitchen's usual response: "FUCK OFF"
fook em , you were bang on
with u all the way FOOK UM
all I have to say on this is.... Stephen. I love you
I believe God was created an excuse for gaps in knowledge.
Forgive my disrespect, if any.
Alex Lockley yup...it's called an argument from ignorance. "I don't know, therefore God.".
LuAnn Sunsdahl how wrong .....what about believers that day in day out devote themselves to god and god alone huh? The whole purpose of religions is that they fill in this “gap of knowledge” and your argument preached is just so damn wrong.God isn’t just a pit stop where we say right I don’t know therefore it is gods fault? What!? And finally god doesn’t just reassure people it depends on what perspective you view god ....btw soz this was a rant but ya know peeps have opinions
A cup of Tae with some kookie and suga anyone? Definition of the word faith: "strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof."...it's the "rather than proof" part I am addressing...
Where I would say "I don't know, yet", while I continue to strive toward natural truths and facts... religion says, "I don't know, it must be the will of God"...God works in mysterious ways."..."you just have to take it on faith"...
When I hear someone say, "I just have faith"...what I hear is "I give up searching for natural truths, it's easier to say it's the paranormal".
Oh and now you have no gaps in your knowledge! You are all wise! You yourself have become God! Ok, I will leave you behind in your delusion.
@@taehyungsmuggledmahearteut6779 if I state the direct opposite of everything you just said then I will accurately describe god
I totally agree with Stephen. In my veiw religion is a sick, twisted form of Stockholm syndrome. You have your tormentor, torturer and ultimate master playing the most evil games and tricks on you by intentionally bringing pain and misery upon you. And then he expects you to love and worship him your entire life due to the few good things he does for you and if you don't worship him it will not only be a lifetime of torment and torture but an eternity of torment and torture in the fires of hell. But if you do worship him you get the reward of being able to spend eternity with the psychopathic maniac who tormented you your entire life. Now I'm not saying everyone is tormented by god. Infact most people are not. But what about the thousands of religious people dying and losing loved ones due to unpreventable disease and parents losing their children to unpreventable cancer. The billions of religious people living in dire poverty. The millions who lose their lives, loved ones and homes due to natural disaster. Those forced to live unbearable lives due to horrendously painful illness. We should not worship this maniac of a god. We should hurl desecration at his name.
couldn't have said it any better.......totally agree...
Well, I guess you'll end up having what you want; an eternity without Him.
sebb sibb yes completely oblivious at the bottom of a hole until I rot away and the molecules that once made me are absorbed by plants or eaten by insects.
clearly your a fool who hasnt read the bible, if you had you would understand why there is so much pain and misery in this world.
+thebiopguy you are focusing narrowly on just one of the religious theories -apparently the judeochristian deity. your assesment is thus very lacking and unscientific generalizing religion just on the view of the mainstream judeochristians deity. if you consider a dualistic system of for example the gnostics or the zoroastrians then you don´t come up with the problem you are referring to.
on one of my videos I've been accused of being a ''friend of Stephen Fry''....I'd proudly wear that badge 6feet across with giant exclamation marks, but sadly, I've never had the pleasure of making his acquaintance, although I would greatly treasure the opportunity.
That's not goin to happen anyway...he'd hate you
I don't believe Stephen Fry would predict other people's emotions, thoughts or reactions, let alone opinions. Only Stephen Fry knows who or what he likes or doesn't.
i love hearing fry talk
Stephen was bang on with what he said
One could argue that suffering is God's way of testing us to see if our faith is legitimate, because if the world had no suffering and everything was peachy, we wouldn't even consider God or take him for granted. So in this sense, our sufferings and sacrifices can be redemptive in some senses.
A world without religion would be heaven.
Nah.
I don't know about Heaven exactly, but we would be well on the way to it.
A world without religion would be a world without history
Religions never cease pointing out what is wrong with unbelievers but are quick to protest when someone points out what is wrong with them
He has the right to say what he said as long as the majority is Christian, wait till the majority is Muslim, then try. Maybe at that point you, Dawkins and certain others might wished you hadn't bothered undermining the Christian position in our society.
False dilemma. A secular society is better to combat one type of nonsense than a society based on another.
You will find that in practice it really doesn't work that way.
You do have a point there Uncle Davey. I think Christianity has had it's day but Islam is worse.
***** If you're saying Christianity is less shit than Islam, I'd agree with you, but why put up with *any* shit?
It is obviously something that you would treat as shit, our faith, but even if it was, usually a person can tolerate the small of their own far better than other people's. Europe on the other hand cannot wait to get rid of the faith principles which guided its own history, and replace them with those of the main historical enemy.
Simply speaking Truth. Some are afraid to think rationally.
No truth and every Christian can debunk his argument.
@@bakedbeans5494 no, no they can't.
I'd argue that there is a good chance that Stephen Fry knows the bible better than a fair percentage of Christians.
It's simple really...
Life is bleak. There is no meaning. There is no life after death. We are a lonely planet within an incomprehensibly vast and dark universe.
Along comes a fairytale that answers all our eternal questions, gives meaning to life, promises an afterlife and offers comfort and hope, sorely needed in hard times.
The only catch is that you have to 'believe', and to believe you have to abandon all rational thought and objectivity. No questions.
You also have to subscribe to sometimes strict and punitive rules and regulations, but it's worth it for the comfort blanket.
The comfort blanket works better if you believe in it more, and this translates to being surrounded by like minded 'believers'. This is why there are churches, temples and mosques. They are all designed to 'reinforce'.
If other people believe, then it must be true.
The comfort blanket becomes stronger, warmer and feels more protective. How can millions of people be wrong?
An Emperor's New Clothes dynamic develops, akin to mass delusion - a self fulfilling cycle that strengthens itself.
The only fly in the ointment is when a non believer challenges the belief system. The very belief system that brings comfort and endorphins (literally).
A battle ensues - happiness, meaning and comfort, but an abandonment of rational thought... OR... rational thought, and no comfort blanket.
Like a drug addict, the theist clings tightly onto their comfort blanket and lashes out aggressively... Any self doubt cannot be allowed to develop. There can be no stopping to think logically, otherwise it means the end of the comfort blanket.
This is why the religious hate atheists.
Im sorry for butting in here. But eternal life honestly does not seem pleasant...
I'm religious and I don't hate all atheists. I don't even know if God exists, but I like to believe that He/She/It does. I only hate the atheists who feel it is their sole duty to make me unhappy by commenting things like this. Why, assuming God does not exist, will you not allow me to live in blissful ignorance? Why does that anger you so much?
Gra Piken If it gives millions comfort, why try to take that away? Everyone, including u, is entitled to our own beliefs. But to put others down, or force ur own onto others makes no sense to me. In that, I find, is the cruelty.
@@chrispatel8519 I agree with you Chris I am a Catholic and I dont hate atheists either My best friend is an atheist but he respects me and I reapect him In fact we have family holidays togeather 3 childen each and we all get on just fine Life is too short to be full of hate.
Everytime he says 'God', all I can hear is "Goooddd" 😂
every time i hear him say it i think -- Stephen - you are no theologian .
@@RocketKirchner Since when do you need to be a theologian to be certain that religion is a load of crap?
I agree totally. "god" is an invention of humans.
"If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him." - Voltaire, 1768
Evolution is the invention of monkeys ? 😁 😄
No he's not
All he said was spot on!
Why are these believers in a mythical being so afraid of someone with an alternative view?
+Advanced Rider Training Because it means they've sold out to their comfort zone - they're comfortable having someone else make their decisions for them, telling them what to think and what they can and can't do. For many people, being 'conscious' and looking past the ends of their own snouts is a frightful prospect. It would mean self-responsibility - heaven forbid!
Some truth in that. As a friend of mine recently said, 'I HAVE to believe in something"
A.R.T. Cause there afraid there's nothing after this life. They want the fairy tale ending. & that's okay to. But everyone is entitled to there point of you. They just didn't like Stephens frys anserw.
@@a.r.t.4611 "Everybody has to believe in something and I believe I'll have a drink." - W.C.Fields
So, Ireland is still living in the 14th century huh. How dare he say our magical man in the sky is a maniac!
No just the radical Catholics. Some religious nut complained to RTE over his comments but he was never prosecuted because a large number need to be offended. You won't find alot of religious people here in Ireland today despite what Google says. I'm so happy we are repealing these dark age blasphemy laws they have been criticised as backwards for years.
@@stephenpigot7057 I wouldn't say that's accurate not even what their saying now until they repeal the blasphemy laws in seanead eirenn I won't trust it. If the country was 90% Catholic we wouldn't have a majority to repeal blasphemy laws, legalised abortion, even legalised gay equality. I remember these referendums the Catholics all came out showing their true colours. Nah mate its more atheist. I used to be Catholic and yes then Ireland pretty much was Catholic but now I'm atheist and being atheist in Ireland is the majority, well in the Republic of Ireland at least.
@@stephenpigot7057 oh right sorry didn't get much sleep last night so missed that.
@@irishpride2993 tbh I agree with you .one of these days a religious census will come out and shock everyone ...people questioning faith are being driven away from it by the David Quinn and John waters of Catholic Ireland
@@declanfoley7562 I don't know if the blasphemy laws( repealed at last) has something to do with it or our government with it's ideology for "Christian democracy." Hopefully in 2021 census we will an atheist majority. We really need a government that has less religious views the same goes for our senators as it was brought up to remove religion from Hate speech laws(a senator wanted to remove all of religious content from the Defamation Act 2009) religion is still in Hate speech laws. Thankfully no one follows those laws.
I love Stephen Fry so much.
Well said Mr. Fry
Why does god cause misery etc? The answer is of course because a woman ate a magic apple that a snake told her to eat therefore its an imperfect creation making god very petty indeed.
Wrong.
Petty = left wing troglodytes getting worked up when others don’t respect their pronouns & censor those who disagree with their group think. 🤡
Totally agree with Stephen Fry.
When I first heard Stephen Fry was under investigation for blasphemy, I thought he was in some middle eastern country; but then Ireland has always been rather fanatic about their God and sinners.
It's not the dark ages, people can say what they want within reason.
Not so long ago blasphemy and heresy were dealt with in an incredibly agonisingly barbaric horrendous ritual of evisceration , beheading , drowning plus numerous other forms of extreme torture in the name of an invisible all powerful , all knowing ,all merciful blah blah unseen entity who created us allegedly in his/her image etc etc .
That sort of omnipotence I do not go for .
Thank humanity for the likes of Fry and all those of infinitely greater intelligence ,eloquence , humility , logic , resolve and wit than I who have taken on the mantle of question and derision in pursuit of truth and common sense .
They question the written word and despotic actions of centuries ago barbarians in their insane quest to enforce nonsense
upon the World .
It is at the forefront and governs everything that the World is about today .
A time of extreme oppression , illiteracy and enforced blind obedience under sufferance of agonising death .
That religion was forced upon the masses by those who carried out the enforcement as instructed by their Almighty for the benefit of all .
What absolute entitled bullshit of the highest order !
If I believe in Hell at least I apparently have a pretty good idea of what the Devil is about and what awaits me .
In respect of Heaven I am somewhat at a loss .
Contradictory to say the least .
All power to Messrs Dawkins , Fry , Hitchen , Leonardo to name but a few who have resolved to ask the questions.
To date they have received no satisfactory response.
LOVE AND LIGHT TO MR. FRY!!!❤😊
Respect to Mr.Fry.
Stephen is a superior thinker
I do completely understand where he’s coming from. And I’m a Christian!
I hope u are rethinking ur Christianity .....
@@bradwilson5552 & why would that be?
Cause it’s all Bullshit that’s why - (IMO)
@@bradwilson5552 In your opinion
@@bradwilson5552 why rethink it ? its only bullshit because you never have met Christ . dont mock what you dont understand .
Great guy legend
Whoever worships a fictional character from a mythology in the bronze-iron age needs a psych consult. How these crazies are still around is beyond me.
Because for many religious people, god is their psychotherapist. Read "Religion for Atheists" by Alain de Botton, if you're interested in that. It's quite telling as to why people might have started to belief these fictional things
Demian Haki Can't they just sit in the corner rocking saying "everything's gonna be ok" instead of drawing other people into their mental problems?
sangetube In my experience, they prefer rocking back and forth while kneeling.
such a mature responds if you hate religious people come take us on and see what will happen this country is full of shit, and why do you assume that people who believe in god need a psych consult just because we dont what to be part of this digusting twisted society and what to live by some decent moral standards we are being condemed , please do not listen to people like this
subject sigma You need a psych consult or some sort of therapy. You talk as if you are mentally incapable.
Keep saying it!
I agree with every single thing he said about "God"....and if I ever meet this "God", I'm going to give him Hell, too.
You mean the God, who thought the world into existence? The God who destroyed entire cities? This God exists, and He will judge us all one day. I would love to see what kind of "hell" you can give Him.
Rational thinkers would give him contempt. Because that is what any God deserves. Utter contempt.
efesgirl999 you can try but considering He is a god I don't think you would get very far
Joe M. You cant give anything to something that doesn’t exist, sorry pal
@@mementomori4355 ur one of the few with common sense
Steven absolutely agree with what you have said
'Bone cancer in children. What's that all about? How dare you!' That's just a perfect argument. It's horribly true but it sums up god in a nutshell. A sadistic tormentor of humanity.
@Sam It is a cheap exploitation of suffering of which Fry, evidently, is unable to come close to grasping, understanding or having anything worthwhile to contribute.
@Sam Carey I love Lex's line in BVS on God 'If God is all powerful, then he cannot be all good. If he all good, he cannot be all powerful'.
Is God ambivalent about people's suffering, or lacking the power to change it, or significantly?
@Spidey Those prepositions were posited on the front of Time back in the 90s, I think. "God is all good. God is all powerful. Bad things happen. - the three cannot be true." The 'gap' being what is evil? Which neither Time magazine nor Stephen Fry, as one of us little humans even given the breadth of human wisdom can answer. Jung gave 'Job' his usual satanic approach. It remains disgusting to exploit the suffering to bolster one's lucrative sophistry.
@@MegaSpideyman there is an assumption that God is all powerful . Persian cosmology and Process Theologians disagree.
@@soniamartin2007 Sophistry?
You were SPOT ON Stephen. In EVERYTHING you said.
@John Rothwell My son died of bone cancer. If there IS a God - which I very much doubt - I can't wait to tell him what a prick he is.
There is still no reason to believe in the existence of gods. Stephen Fry pointed out one such counterargument very eloquently.
its was brilliance Steven! no need to apologize at all.
what was brilliant ? the creature blaming the creator . read Job.
Fry is spot-on.
@R Cmate the comment is six years old
Imagine hating someone for stating their opinion about something? Well done religious peeps.
Stephen Fry is a legend
i love Stephen Fry, he is entitled to his views even if they are not the same as mine..xx
Stephen Fry don't worry, you were right!
he was spot on. that's their issue.
Steven is the best I could listen to him all day . He is a genius.
And your not...tosser
@@jasonsampson1301 Good Christian values there?
And he was totally correct.
No wonder James Joyce left town.
As a Christian, I'm surprised, too. It's a reasonable thing to say.
Steven is the best , the end .
Absolutely thought-provoking. As far as I understand God did not choose sheep. If your belief is strong it stands up to question
very true . it also must stand up to mystery for those asking the question ,. to even think for a moment that our finite little pea brains can understand the things that are infinite then make pronouncements like Fry made is hubris and silly . he should know better as an educated and cultered man .
Don't waste your time talking about it. God is a figment of people's imagination. It comes from centuries ago when humans were somewhat ignorant. The notion of a God is complete B/S !! Most intelligent and educated people today realise this !
he is a figment..... until he explodes into your life . ..and strips you of hubris .
Man oh man, I'd love to sit and chat with Stephen about this topic.
He wouldn't love to sit with you tho...tosser
@@jasonsampson1301 You're a very angry little man aren't you.
it's 2015 and still someone is considered "brave" or "genius" for simply being honest, using basic logic, and having integrity. Yikes! Religious people have got to realize the damage they are doing!
BANG ON MATE WELL DONE
Nothing to do with you...stay out of it
Ignoring the fact that most cancers are man made including child bone cancer and pointing the blame to a cloud dweller is what makes it stupid in the first place.
Sorry If I'm being a wanker here but cancer is not man made. It's a mutation of your own cells it exists inside of us all. Though you're right in the respect that "man made" working environments can assist the mutation.
And Stephan doesn't blame cloud dwellers because he thinks they are as real as the tooth fairy. I think you may of missed his point entirely.
Cancer man made ....You have to be a total idiot. LOL
You're ignorant peter.
The whole point is that if the "god" was benevolent, there would never be ANYTHING bad in the universe if he cared about living beings suffering. You missed the point entirely.
John Crichton It is man who polluted God's perfect planet with his evil, God gave us a perfect world and we corrupted everything. No wonder our society is falling apart, the atheist thinks he can get by without Him and now God has turned His back on the wicked. Matthew 24:37 "But As the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be."
Some of Stephen's earlier discussions on god:
ruclips.net/video/BiYhMyRJicc/видео.html
He can believe what he wants, but as a public figure he also has to expect many people may not like "undiplomatic" things he may say.
People aught to chill out though, Stephen Fry is a great Briton :)
greetings from Poland
Fuck off from england
fry only said what the rest of the planet already assumes to be the truth
since when do you speak for the rest of the planet? The majority of the people on this earth believe in a supreme being! Don't know about you!
kath2ndrew and proving how stupid you are I rebut with.
how do you know the majority of the people on this earth belive in a supreme being.. Also there's more than one earth. News to me.
The majority of the people on earth believing in a supreme being is a fact - look it up on google! Don't know what you mean by there's more than one earth! Are you one of those nuts who reads things into a sentence that isn't there? Also if you cannot carry on a conversation and give an opinion without verbally abusing or insulting someone - maybe you shouldn't speak!
More like the majority are made to fear a supreme being so they can be manipulated by others, usually with the promise that if they don't do as the manipulators want they will suffer when they die, but if they do as they are told they will be rewarded. When people only believe through fear of punishment, it's not really belief it's more giving in to intimidation and erring on the side of religion for personal safety.
Mind you if there was a god they would be in hell going by the rules of the religion as they are guilty of many sins. Pride, mass murder and jealousy being the most blatant 3, and they would need to be held up to their own standards to be truly just as opposed to the usual "they are god they can do what they want" garbage.
kath2ndrew Because the majority are under-educated and have nothing to live for. So they pretend there is some being in the sky :D Nut cases if you ask me.
You were brilliant Stephen
If atheists don't believe in God, why are they so obssessed with Him and angry as hell for his non-intervention??? It's like me blaming Santa Claus for cancer in children.
Because atheists are constantly being asked to assume that god exists, just as the interview. If you find that irritating, then please ask the religious to stop asking atheists to assume the existence of god.
Chuck Sta. Maria The 20th Century is the century when the world went atheist. It is the bloodiest century in human history. Do you really wanna play that nobody-kills-in-the-name-of-atheism card?
Chuck Sta. Maria Atheism creates a vacancy for position of "God". Man has desperately wanted to fill that position since Adam and Eve. Atheism is simply another religion with that intention. Yes, you read that correctly: atheism is another religion. So take Stalin, for example. He told his empire there is no God, the state party would be all the god they would need, and millions were killed or imprisoned for rejecting that atheist religion. Atheism kills, Chuck.
"So again I ask you what doctrine or belief does atheism give to make a man kill another?" YOu answer your own questions: Hitler, Nazism, Stalin, Kim and Communism.
You're answers are text book atheism 101 answers. Nothing original. You completely blow off ancient knowledge, insight and technology. Shame. You fail to see atheism has 3 times the faith required of most religions. Why do you think atheist churches are popping up everywhere? They NEED to believe, Chuck.
You cannot... repeat... CANNOT .. leave a vacancy for the seat of God. Someone has to create a basis of "truth" and/or "reason" for society. That's where the nightmares of communism, facism, nazism, etc. begin. Nobody kills in the name of atheism. but nobody kills in the name of religion either. People kill in the name of their religious categories like Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, etc. So atheist do also. (communism, socialism, facism, etc).
+sebb sibb You, you are why we need to spread atheism, to stop dumbass people such as yourself from existing.
He is right 🤷
God shall not be mocked !!!! I pray that mr fry see's reason and turns to God !!!
Lol you're an idiot
divcrfc (Turns to imaginary friend) Hey God, what's up (false whispers made by own mouth) What's that? I'm the 2nd coming of Christ (more false whispers), hot women should worship mah dick?! (False Whispers, and shrugs shoulders) Hey man, God said it, not me. He also said give me all of your Marijuana, hey man, take issue with God. (Sarcasm over) LOL, see how stupid you sound now?
Why Does God Allow Suffering? www.jw.org/finder?locale=en&docid=1102005141&prefer=lang&srcid=share
Keturah Carpenter More emtpy words that don't bring back the dead or heal people's grief. That's why more faith is put into science than the Bible or God. God SPEAKS of healing the blind, science mans up and ACTUALLY DOES IT!
IF he stands before God, I doubt he'll ask these questions, he will be so scared after knowing the truth, that he won't be worrying about kids with bone cancer, he'll be trying to get his travel pass down south revoked! LOL
Everything Stephen Fry said was true. That’s what annoys people theses days, especially those that believe in fairy tales and place their faith in a complete fiction masquerading as an unquestionable truth. Stephen should be applauded for his candour and willingness to say what is so obviously true.
What if I can, Insha’Allah (God Willing), prove-actually prove to you, the complete opposite. Will you be interested?
@@NazmusLabs One of my friends is in her early 30s with a young daughter and she has terminal cancer. If you can prove to me there is in fact a god then I would be amazed firstly at his existence and secondly that he should be considered benevolent and merciful. Any god that takes away good people which causes such misery, yet allows disgusting people such as Trump, Kim Jong Un, Erdogan, Bolsonaro et al to live and prosper is not a god I could ever respect let alone worship. There are obviously many other examples of neglect and needless suffering in the face of an apparent omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent being whose very existence in such circumstances contradicts his reputation (among believers obviously).
There is no god. We all know it.
If there is not, why Fry's animosity?
who is ''we'' . ?
Don't apologize, it's a sign of weakness.
What people seeking a ticket through the pearly gates should say is that we may have every reason to fear you but we can find no reason one so ever to worship you.
Stephen Fry said that he wouldn't believe in God because there was so much evil in the world. He imagined he would confront God (with superiority in his voice) about things like bone cancer in children. God would likely respond, "Yes, Stephen, it's horrible, and you and the rest of humanity should be ashamed about it." Stephen would respond "Why should I feel bad about it? YOU created it, not me." God could respond, "No, not me. I created a perfect world for you. Some called it Eden, some called it Paradise. There was no disease, no pain, no suffering. But humanity decided they didn't like my world, they wanted to be independent of me. Your race decided they would strike out on their own, and that means living in a world where I'm not in charge. Bone cancer in children, volcanoes, earthquakes, war, all of it, is YOUR creation, not mine." Fry wants paradise without submission to God, but that's logically impossible. If God creates paradise without humans following Him, He isn't God; what Stephen Fry wants is an all-powerful djinni to grant him unlimited wishes. We can either love and submit to God- because he deserves it- and reach that perfect paradise again, or we can turn away from Him and suffer both here and in the world to come.
What a pathetically specious and flawed response.
- Firstly, your points are merely your subjective belief.
- Secondly, why should anyone be responsible and be punished for the actions of people that lived and died thousands of years beforehand.
What would you think if you were to be arrested and locked up for the rest of your life for Nazi war crimes ?
- Thirdly, if your god existed and created everything then it HAD to have created this evil that you're supposedly now trying to direct onto humans. Furthermore, as it would also be all-knowing it would have created these scenarios in full knowledge of the subsequent outcome.
It's like if I lay a mouse trap for a young child to walk into, knowing full well that that child would walk into it and break its toe, and then blaming the young child for walking.
The meaning of life has nothing to do with any 'God' or any 'Religion'. Our existence in this universe is simply related to science.
Religion is nothing more than a hobby, it has no place in reality!
There is no true meaning of life. The meaning of life can be what ever you want it to be. Only you can choose your path.
Ricky Gervais said when religious people ask why he doesn't believe in their god he says the following. "Tell me why you don't believe in all the other religions of the world and that's why I don't believe in yours.
If there is a God, he would have sent me down an oz of weed last night. Couldn't get a bit of smoke anywhere.
God does not send you anywhere. Low of nature of cause and effect that evolution stand on sends you according to our deeds
@@youlong1234 God? I don't think he is real. Couldn't be. He let's too much bad stuff happen.
I've never really liked Stephen Fry...I find most of his acting borderline clownish...
But the the things he said in both interviews are so spot on...You have to like and respect him for his intelligence and wittiness.
This guy indeed is brilliant...
@John Rothwell you do realize things like bone cancer have been found as far back as the ancient Pharaoh's? And as you can hear for yourself, its just an example he took..Theres loads more..
I can give you something infinity better, Alhamdullillah! If you are interested, I can, Insha’Allah (God Willing), show you how Islam offers an explanation that is even more clear and logical, and how Islam can answer questions that no other person, philosophy, or religion can, including the question about the cancer. Are you interested?
@@luuko656 Are you interested to know the clear and simple answer to Mr. Fry’s questions, including the one about cancer in children? If so, let me know and ask any question you think is too difficult to answer or that you never have gotten the answer to before, and, Insha’Allah (God Willing), I can help!
and he also styles himself after Rupert Bear!
An intelligent man doesn't believe in gods?!?
OUTRAGEOUS!
Not believing in a spiritual deity does not make you intelligent. Some of the most so called intelligent people in this world have sprouted some of the most outrageous and stupid remarks I've ever heard. The fool has said in his heart there is no God, but when the chips are down, he is the one he calls out too! Ironic isn't it!
kath2ndrew Using legitimate reasoning and facts however does. I take it you are refereeing to religious scholars when you are refereeing to those so called intelligent people that make stupid remarks. Besides you should be judged by your actions not how much you suck up.
P Henry
For materialists, who believe that this earthly life is all there is to our existence, then yes, sickness & hard times imposed by a creator would be cruel (but that itself would not negate a creator). But if our earthly existence is only a stepping stone to eternity, then in that context the hard times we experience here are insignificant except for the benefit we receive from them. Even the Buddhists, Hindu's, and many other non Christian groups teach that from every setback there is a lesson, for every end there is a beginning. Hard times develop our character in helping us see that which we would not have realized otherwise, & are also a test. The lessons/tests we are subjected to, difficult as they may seem, are tailored to our unique character.... everyone learns a different way, & we even learn from the suffering of others & have the opportunity to help others in their hard times.... but we don't, which tells us something about ourselves. In this context the sickness & hard-times imposed by a creator is not cruel, as it has a purpose that benefits us in the long run. The materialists think about short term only, not the long term, as they don't believe their consciousness exists after physical death.
What are the materialists who believe there is no God & that our earthly life is all there is to it, doing wasting their precious time here arguing about this, when they should be cherishing the little time they have left? Is this a contradiction?
Stephen is right!
If it got people questioning their own faith, then Stephen got it right
Errrrrrrrrrm the reactions to his words and the video were overwhelmingly POSITIVE (good). SIGH..
Christian dating site commerical on an interview with an atheist-the irony.
God gave us free will it’s like saying why God let the holocaust happened? It’s because of free will and mankind we are part of the story God is good
"God gave us free will it’s like saying why God let the holocaust happened?"
- Firstly, no he didn't.
- Secondly, that doesn't address Fry's argument. He asked why there is so much suffering that is not our fault ?
Was the 2004 tsunami a result of 'free will' ?
"It’s because of free will and mankind we are part of the story God is good"
- Non sequitur.
This is a copy of an email sent to me by an atheist friend of mine, I personally am an apathetic agnostic. "Why should there be a creator (God)? When the Big Bang happened, two universes (or realms) were created, the physical realm where we reside now and then a spiritual realm on a different plane, where we will eventually go after our physical bodies have died, because you can not destroy energy. Thus, no need for a God, it is just a natural path from one existence into another. Physical existence on this earth is limited due to our physical nature, but our spiritual existence is forever due to our spirit nature after we leave this physical plane. There does not need to be a God, an all controlling power, whom we pray to and apparently cares about us. It is not needed. So an answer to why God allows pain, there is no God, but there is a spirit world."
I am an apathetic agnostic. I don't know and to be honest do not care if there is a god or not.
Whatever you need to get you through life on earth is no issue with me, when I do have an issue is when this belief affects non believer, ie laws being made which favor religions and also any sign of homophobia, sexism, bigotry etc.
The atheist would say that because there is no evidence, it does not mean you have to leap to a supernatural answer. I understand that, as they are coming from a non belief. However you can not lump all atheists into one. Some accept there is a slight chance that a supernatural being created the universe, they would however ask "who created the creator".
Jamal The Biker why is your belief anymore logical? why is a infinate god more plausable than no god? you believe in a god that can not only think the universe up but he can magic it up aswell, but no god universe is unfathomable. why is that anymore logical? explain. god is MORE complex.
Only one who deserves to be in hell is the one who could do everything to prevent evil and didn't.
The CRAZY thing is there are 3000 registered religions and they all assumed Stephen was talking about there god.
You see I highlighted crazy !
As a follow-up to what the learned Mr. Fry said
The opposite of love is not hatred , it is indifference.
Stay strong Stephen