The Greatest Airport that NEVER Was!
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What is THIS? Why would someone build a GIANT runway with a parallel taxiway, in the middle of nowhere in Florida? And how come is it still there AND being used today, a full 55 YEARS after it started getting built? Even if you know what this is about, I bet that there are details about this place and its present use that will surprise you. Stay tuned!
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I watched - in complete awe - Concorde taking off from Heathrow (I was on the viewing deck of the terminal - this was back in the mid-70s; I was about 10). Practically the whole airport came to a standstill, even staff watched her with a lot of "wow!" expressions. In fact I lived under her flight route, and though she obviously didn't go supersonic over land, she was still very loud yet we couldn't really see her. My dad would look at his watch on hearing her and give a satisfied nod, would say, "On time!" and carry on with his day lol.
During the 1960s, it was thought that the Miami International Airport was too small for future aircraft and passenger demand. Being in tge middle of the city, there was no room to expand.
That was the primary driver to build this airport.
4:51 4:53
I was once flying (helicopter)over a remote part of Western Nebraska when we passed over an old abandoned WW2 runway complete with hangars. Looked like something out of a post apocalyptic movie. Its important to remember and preserve our aviation history.
I agree. Aviation history is important.
Interesting, the only ones that come up on Google are located in towns where I had family living until recently. Those airfields are still in use. However, because of the sparse population, and overall year-round favorable flying weather, these fields were used for gliders and parachute training, which probably had adjunct runways and buildings at an appropriate distance which were used to facilitate training.
The only airbase in Eastern Wyoming is still active today.
@Bigga Nigga what, Lincoln?
@Bigga Nigga Which airport? I'm not aware of any airports built by NASA for bad weather. All of the designated alternate and emergency airports were existing airports.
@Bigga Nigga As Mentour explained in the video the Dade-Collier Training and Transition Airport was built by Miami-Dade County for supersonic aircraft and also for airline training flights. It was never on the list of Shuttle alternate or emergency landing sites. Although in an extreme emergency with no time to reach any other airports the Shuttle would have landed at any airport with at least a 10,000 ft runway.
Fun fact - the Florida Everglades is the only place in the world with both alligators and crocodiles living together. Alligators are relatively chill as long as you leave them alone, but crocodiles can be very aggressive.
The share that habitat because the Everglades are warm year-round. Crocodiles don't cope well with cold weather while alligators do. There were alligators on the rivers where I grew up in south Alabama and their range extends into the middle of Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi as well as all of Louisiana.
@@Inkling777 - the range is further than you think. Even Oklahoma has a few alligators. Arkansas has a couple of thousand, and Texas has about half a million.
My ex wife must be related to crocodiles
@@47f0 Yeah, Gators used to swim up the Mississippi and Arkansas rivers for quite a ways back in the day.
I remember I was visiting Shark Valley, one of the best places to see gators and the was a gator in the parking lot mouth wide open sunning himself as people who were brave enough walked past him.
It's important to be able to spot the differences between them.
I’m former flight instructor out of Tamiami Executive in Miami. We used do practice ILS approaches and touch and goes out of TNT all the time. Use permits were free for GA aircraft from Dade County aviation.
Cool!
@@MentourNow there's a full size lighthouse in central London near docklands airport where Trafalgar house the company which operated all UK lighthouses trained their staff.
@Bigga Nigga Not so
@@leeoldershaw956 Google it.
@@johnarnell4241 I was there.
I grew up in South London - Sydenham - right under a major landing path into Heathrow. I remember in my primary school - in the 1970s - when we were out in the playground, every time Concorde flew overhead, we'd all stop our football and chasing and games and just gaze up. Even though it happened - I dunno - every couple of weeks? - it was always just so beautiful, so mesmerising, the Concorde.
There are concrete arrows all over American that date to the 20s and 30s where they built rhe original airmail servives. Towers with searchlights set above huge concrete arrows and radio beacons guided these frail planes.
There are so many relics of the aeronautical past hidden in plain site everywhere 😊
Indeed! We might cover them eventually.
@@MentourNowcool 😊
@@MentourNow Wow, please do that!
I've seen one vid by Calum covering this one :)
The FAA approved the rule forbidding civilian planes to fly supersonic flights above the ground just in the same year when the SST project was canceled. To impede US carriers to buy the Concorde for internal routes, where the Concorde could have a good value. And now that the companies that want to bring the supersonic fly back are from the US, they are working on retracting that rule.
No exactly true, if any supersonic flights are allowed over land in the US the noise signature will have to be significantly reduced, so no, there is no attempt to allow old school supersonic aircraft to fly over the US.
Even smallish fighter jets had to get special permission recently to exceed the speed of sound over land, after that business jet pilot became incapacitated.
I lived in London (Putney and Wimbledon), and we could often hear when the Concord started at LHR some 8 - 10 km away. Flying it was cramped and claustrophobic. The acceleration was great.
"cramped and claustrophobic" In terms of diameter, Concorde was about midway between the DC-3 and the 5-across DC-9.
I lived in Hounslow for a while, 5km from the runway end. The house had double glazing, and while you could *hear* other planes coming and going while indoors, when Concorde flew over, you basically had to pause conversations until it had gone.
@@davewilson4493 Can well believe…
@@davewilson4493I grew up just a couple miles from an airport. It was normal for us to feel the house shake by planes landing. Occasionally one would be uncomfortably low. In my early 20’s, I rented the house from my parents. FedEx built themselves an area there. The airport expanded and I could see the FedEx tails from my driveway. The worst part was when they fired up the engines at 3 am. I ended up moving after 6 months. It was just too disruptive to my sleep. I had to get up at 5 am for work so I always felt sleep deprived.
I live in Polk county Florida not far from the bombing range in Avon Park. A lot of military training from MacDill AFB happens around here, from Army paratroopers doing jump training and landing in fields near Lakeland Linder, to fighter jets zipping around above.
There are countless general aviation airports and strips in central Florida. I work in a service trade, and have been to homes that are in aviation communities. These communities have their own runway and many homes have actual hangars built on them!
If you’re interested in covering this accident, in early March of this year two small aircraft collided over Winter Haven Airport. The planes landed in a nearby lake. 4 people were killed. The NTSB released a report at the end of March. I heard the collision as I was driving up Lake Alfred rd which is next to Lake Hartridge when it happened.
I was a serving police officer during the late 1970s and 1980s over her in the UK and one of the British Airways Concordes made a promotional visit to our local airport (Newcastle-upon-Tyne). The aeroplane stayed overnight and we were permitted to have a close look at the amazing craft after the crowds had left. The captain of Concorde asked my colleague and I if we would like to have a look in the cabin and cockpit. What an amazing experience!! Even got to sit in the “drivers seat” The captain informed us that he would try and use the afterburners when they did their final flypast the next day. Absolutely brilliant and a lovely guy. I have since seen him being interviewed on tv several times - unfortunately usually for his expert opinion on the Paris tragedy. Love the channel. Take care.
That was fascinating, thank you! I've been by it several times, and new it was incomplete, but never knew the full story behind it.
Also, all those shots of Pan Am planes made me really nostalgic. Several members of my family worked for Pan Am's engineering department in Miami, and that was always our airline of choice when I was a kid.
The public's general response to supersonic flight can be summed up by Dr Ian Malcolm's quote: "Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should."
It saddens me that so many people quote Malcolm when Chang said it first in ST:VI
@@MrTaxiRobCancel Malcom for plagiarism.
@@MrTaxiRob What is ST:VI?
@@MrTaxiRob well it makes us happy that you're so verklempt
over such a non-issue.
@@chouseificationsaddened further by your gleeful support of unoriginal thinking
In Poland there was a large free-standing road bridge (flyover) in the middle of nowhere because they did not manage to build a road. And such a monument stood for years
Welcome to South Africa...
Imagine being fortunate enough to find yourself near this place when you're out of landing options.
I couldn't imagine myself not knowing all available landing options along any flight path I might take.
Imagine being a single mother with a toothache who can't afford a dentist because the electric bill is due and the money was wasted on this rather than a social support system.
@@johnsmith1474 maybe go protest there
@@johnsmith1474Imagine having children before you’re financially stable enough to do so, then asking me to give up my hard earned money…..
@@thetowndrunk988 Imagine being the town drunk
Growing up in the area, I very much remember the Jet Port. To a kid, what was even better was the test facility for Aerojet General. They used to haul the Saturn V engines through my neighborhood out to it. They would run the engines a lot and some times at night. You could see the glow in the sky and hear them. I still have some B&W photos of the engines being hauled. We later lived on the southern gulf coast and I was thrilled to see the B-52s and F4s out of McDill AFB flying low over our house on their way to Avon Park bombing range. As I go older I flew a lot with my dad and we were able to cross Avon Park and see the fake airfields. Irony, I eventually became an engineer for McDonnell Douglas and Boeing. I happened upon a lot of drawings and renderings of the Douglas SST that were to be thrown out. I still have them. I also remember sonic booms from military aircraft almost every day back then. Side note, the Concord had to go subsonic before entering American airspace.
I used to study at a university located just West of Roissy CDG, and Concorde was not just noisier than other jets. Every day at 10:15am, the noise was so loud, it couldn't be confused with anything else. That was such a special time, still, good memories.
Great video.
I lived where Terminal 5 at Heathrow Airport now stands. Concorde was the only plane to shake the house, though she was a wonderful sight to see land.
Have you ever thought about doing a video on Juan Trippe? He was a genius. 😉🇬🇧🇺🇦
I grew up very close to the jetport. We used to go out there and shoot guns and things like that it was a lot of fun
Flying out of OPF, used the TNT approaches during my training and checkride for FAA ATP. Tnis was back in... (wait... am I that old?). Always wondered why they built the thing and my CFI wasn't quite sure. Now I know. Thanks for the trip down memory lane. Great job!
In 1989 when I was in the USCG I was stationed on the PT. Turner out of Newport, RI. We were in Boston all the time and as I was also a graduate of a flight university in NH I LOVE anything aviation. This of course included the Concorde. I had models of it, knew all the stats, etc.. We would be out in the bay in Boston literally just off the runway and watch the Concorde take off several times a week. I LOVED that!!! Master Chief would always blow the horn when it flew over. It was still louder than the horn. LOL GREAT memories of that plane.
Greg
I grew up one county west of Avon Park and Sebring, Florida. I used to see the B52s flying overhead from the coast on the way to the bombing range in Avon Park.
The Avon Park range you mentioned in this video holds a place in my heart. It’s where I witnessed a school bus fly. I was lucky enough to observe live-fire training there and the poor bus was a target. I’m also a native Floridian and yes it’s true: If there’s water there’s an alligator in there somewhere. You may not see him but he definitely sees you 😂
There is a MythBusters episode where they aim a 747 engine at a school bus. It is momentarily airborne.
13:21 yep, i've seen and heard a few concordes taking off from EGLL. sounded like a giant welding torch, only MUCH louder, due to the extreme exhaust speed. on one occasion that noise triggered lots of car alarms, and on another occasion i saw the exhaust gas actually glowing, it was so hot. that was at hatton cross, which is close to EGLL09R, and that concorde was still pretty low, less than 1000 ft AGL. don't remember seeing mach diamonds, tho'
another time i saw a concorde leaving behind a clearly visible trail of brown nitrous oxides. i've never seen such a trail behind any other airliner.
oh, and before i forget... years later i went to a museum in germany where they have both a french concorde and a russian Tu-144. and yes, i went into both. not much space in there.
So I've flown over/by this airport many a time, the Everglades is typically the primary area for a lot of training traffic, since in the event something goes wrong there is very little worry of civilian collateral damage. It did throw me for a loop seeing it for the first time out there in the middle of virtually nowhere, I asked my CFI about it and he gave me the rundown on its history and its a pretty interesting footnote in aviation history. I've also heard a bit of scuttlebutt recently that there are talks about using it for testing of hypersonic drones as well given its remoteness which is pretty interesting as well.
I've been there in 1970, we used it for a college "fly in" promoting aviation programs at Florida's community colleges.
There was another attempt to build an airport at the western edge of the city. There were two runways, one was north-south (2,600 ft) designated 18 &36, the other was east-west (2,600 ft) designated 09 & 27. The idea was to bus people to and from the airport. It also failed, but we used to use it for star gazing parties. Since it is at the edge of the everglades there is a nice dark sky looking west and plenty of room to set up telescopes.
It's called "Opa Locka West."
Lat: 25°57'8.98"N
Lon: 80°25'7.06"W
Excellent content Petter, something different but highly relevant and a great bit of aviation history, keep up the great work!
Man, you are the the David Attenburogh of aviation nerdyness! Scrolling the videos on your channel thinking, oh god, that must be the dullest video ever and still making me watch 21 minutes about a half-abandoned airport in Florida and remarkably finding every minute of it entertaining, that documentary skills!
I really appreciated this look at aviation history . Had a friend who worked at vultee/ avco and among planes he worked on included the b1b.
Awww yeah! Avon Park Bombing & Target range! Went there a few times when I was in the Florida Army National Guard. We actually saw some unexplained lights when we were out there one weekend. It wasn't the GA airport to the Northeast either, they lingered way to long to be any approaching aircraft.
I recently traveled from Sogndal airport in Norway, it’s a small regional airport on the side of a mountain connected by a long winding road to Sogndal. With only a few small flights everyday, most people only show up about 30 minutes before their flight. Me and my friends had nothing to do, so we showed up 6 hours before our flight 😂. The three staff at the airport were surprised that we had shown up so early. After we went through security, they went home! We were left alone in this tiny airport in the middle of nowhere, quite a surreal experience!
Back when I learnt how to fly, TNT still had an ILS approach on runway 09 along with working beacons and of course the RNAV approaches on 09 and 27.
Nowadays, I use this airport to teach students how to land and practice emergency procedures.
I saw and heard the Concorde take off from JFK in 2000…you felt it in your chest and just couldn’t help but be in awe of that beautiful machine!
Another fine video, Thank you. I enjoyed the fact that your title reflects perhaps that the Dade Collier Air field wasnt in use for very long, but moreover your reminder that simulators werent as advanced as today. PanAm used this field during training and transition to 74’s. We stayed in Key Biscayne, somewhat outside the madness of Miami, shuttled over for ToGos daily.
in the late 80s and early 90s, I had the pleasure to se and hear the Concorde in UK. It sounded like a squadron of jet fighters taking off.
I remember going to Dade Collier airport and not only doing touch & gos when I was learning back in the late 70s, but friends of mine and I would grab our rental airplanes after we got our tickets and take astronomy groups outside the lights of Miami in Fort Lauderdale, and set up large telescopes after getting permission from the Port Authority.
The reduction in light was exceptionally nice out in the middle of the state where, on the nights that Dade Collier was not being used by the major airlines for practice, we could go and enjoy the night skies. I do miss those days.
Hey @Mentour Now! Speaking of the Convair 990, I'd really enjoy hearing your thoughts on the Rolls Royce Conway engines, or actually, the introduction of ducted fans and bypass ducts to jet engines, in general... Both utilitarian higher bypass ratio types, and supersonic optimized high performance types. I've just never seen anyone spend much time talking about what a significant development it was, realizing that moving MORE air at slower, or, more attainable and efficient speeds is an extremely effective way of increasing STATIC thrust for a given amount of fuel burn. I've even read that this was even thought of during the theorizing of the first turbojet designs in the '30's, but simpler designs were chosen for production for the first years because it was the wild-west of aerodynamics and aerospace in general at the time and engineers wanted to master the jet-cycle first.
Hello captain, love your content.
If it's possible try to do more videos about failures in the industry. Like the airport in Berlin and now that one.
A video about the short history of the 2707 will be amazing.
Good landings my friend ✌🏻
Petter, when you said at the beginning that the airport had been repurposed I immediately thought drag racing strip (AKA an Air Canada magnet).
The Martin 404 was a great plane. My first flight was on one between Marietta, Ohio, and Lynchburg, Virginia. Piedmont Airlines. Loud, slow, and rough, but with a legendary safety record.
If I were to build my own private airport, that's exactly where I'd build it -- in the middle of a ginormous flat expanse, and as low an altitude as I could find, and where ice and snow is rare.
And I'd give it a super long runway, way longer than I'd ever need, just to give me plenty of runway to land, and to abort my takeoff even after V2.
Fascinating! You really are the best!
Rob
Am old enough to remember the PR leading to Mirabel and its opening. The PR shows it as the airport of the future, with Concordes filling the apron and then futuristing mobile louges replacing the jetways. It was a time where it was thought all long haul would be flown by Concordes.
Montréal was also still the largest city and business centre of Canada, and main hub for all long haul flying, and its existing Dorval airport unable to expand because it was built all around, so a second airport was needed. And since the Concorde was to be noisy, the federal government decided to place Mirabel far enough away to bother only farmers, AND purchased all farmland over a very large area at inflated prices (with some "friend" of the government benefitting greatly) and then leasing it back to the farmers at very low price. This not only prevented complaints about noice, but wuld also allow the government t easily expand the airport shoult it be needed.
The Cocorde did pay a visit during the airport'a innauguration, but otherwise never served the airport. However, Mirabel was only given trans-atlantic flights, while Dorval kept domestic and USA (transbornder) flights, so it was hard for Mirabel to act as a hub. The rapid train to it was never built, though the terminal had a built-in train station for it. The direct highway to it was nevcer completed.
Just after the 1976 Olympics, the separatist government was elected and head offices and bank operations quickly moved to Troonto over a period of a few years. As a result year-round demand for trans-atlantic business travel evaporated and the difficulty to act a as hub resulted in all those flights moving to Toronto which eventually built a 3rd terminal to handle growth (but more recetly combined terminals 1 and 2 into 1 larger).
Mirabel had the advantage of 24 hour operation and much lower cost to airlines. For foreign airlines for hom Montral was a terminus, Mirabel was great. But Air Canada hated it because it needed staff at both Dorval and Mirabel. To hurt those foreign airlines, AIr Canada suvcesfully lobbied ADM (administrator for both) to close Mirabel to force foreign airlines and its new competitor Air Transat to ove to small Dorval where AC already had many gates to itself. AC promised to make Dorval regain its primary Canadian hub status in exchange and gullible politicians beleived irt. AC added a couple of token flights. (though in recent years, reservations systems have started to suggest routing via YUL more).
ADM had to spend money to convert Dorval back to international airport and add new wing for interenational flights, and demolish the secondary pier on the international side to make space for planes to taxi around that new wing. And it then had to rebuild tghe USA transborder section, an project which nearly banrupted it and which was stpped fopr many years until ADM got enough cash to complete it.
But in the end, Dorval in 2023 doesn't have that much more capacity than we did in the 1970s, and that shows how much economic activity moved from Montréal to Toronto where all the big fligts are now located. Their latest project to build a glass dome over the terminal has had to be shelved since it woudl have brought ADM to bakrupcy again, so there is a half demolished elevated parking lot and unfinished new elevated paring lost further away. Work on the rapid transit station was also stopped due to lack of funds until the federal government stepped in with more money (the advantage is that it is now less likely ADM will be able to charge an airport-fee for those using transit there).
During this time, the fabulous glass Mirabel terminal had been maintained and was rentded for movies. However, ADM also kept it fully heated and air conditioned at all times and then argued the maintenance costs wee too high and a few years ago, the terminal was fully demolished.
What remains is 1 active runway (other is closed) with cargo flights (Fed Ex and others kept its terminal there - there is no room at Dorval) and the former Bombardier facility now Airbus Canada LP. Much of the land directly around the airside perimeter had been sold to various non-aviation related industries. Not sure if the CRJ production hangars have been sold to Airbus to expand A220 production yet (or whether they are owned by creditors or still owned by what is left of Bombardier - Mitsubishi did not acquirte the production facility when it acquired rights to the CRJ product line). MHI has since opened maintenance facility in USA for MRO of CRJs and this coincided with some US airlines bring CRJs back in service.
Years ago, the federal government sold huge amount of land well outside the airport area back to farrmers (at low price). The rail right of ways to the airport are sort of abandonned now that there is no hope of them ever being needed. (And CN has lost access to its tracks for freight when CDPQ commandeered t its tracks for exclusive use of LRT service).
Interestingly, the mobile lounge concept worked really well initially until cost cuting came is and they only used one lounge per flight which required multiple trips to unload and then load each plane. At the end, due to compliants, instead of re-instating more mobile lounges to load planes from the front and back, they wasted millions building jetways for flights just before closing the airport. Ironically when they closed Mirabel, many mobile lounges were moved to Dorval due to lack of gates there.
Awesome delivery yet again!
As somebody that grew up dreaming of being a pilot, I love Boeing - I really do. The history of aircraft carrying their name is like seeing a snapshot of what humanity can achieve in X amount of time. I hope they find the money (and the will) to do it again.
That's when people used to think BIG, when there was the Apollo project, and there were plans for major moon exploration. Alas, it was also the time when the Vietnam war happened, and the Yom Kippur war triggered the oil embargo. People soon realised the cost of supersonic flight could only cater a few wealthy people, while the Boeing 747 could make travel cheaper for the common citizen, and would be FAR MORE profitable for the airlines. So even without the environmental problems, supersonic passenger planes were doomed. The experience both the French and British aerospace industries got regarding joint projects was useful though, and influenced the creation of Airbus. While it was a commercial fiasco, Concorde stands as one of the most perfect and beautiful pieces of engineering.
Very interesting content, as usual 👌 Thank you Petter 👍
Glad you enjoyed it! 💕
Very enlightening as usual Petter, thank you!
I have very fond memories of seeing/hearing Concorde when I lived in Maidenhead in the late nineties and early 2000s. Was a definitely different sound to traditional airplanes.
Great story, thanks for pulling the info together and presenting it in this succinct video.
I’ve drive on that run for a car event. It is in the middle of the Everglades.
The airport was also used for high performance driving events. I've driven a couple of exotics to over 200 mph on the main runway (2009).
There is a Convair 990 at the corner of the Mojave-Barstow Hwy and Airport Blvd at the Mojave Airport. I grew up in San Diego in the late 1950's early 1960's while Dad worked at Ryan, so knew what Convair was doing...
Again you took what could have been a dull topic and made it interesting. Good work.
Great place to take students to practice. Go there quite often.
Grew up in South Florida, so I remember the environmental protests that went along with this place. We snuck on there a few times when I was a teenager.
I used to row on the Thames in the Hampton / Sunbury area. At around 5.30 pm Concord took off from Heathrow and the noise was so deafening we had to stop rowing and cover our ears as the sound reverberated over the water as it flew over. So beautiful, but so loud!!!
I agree. checking on google earth, with only aligators around the area.. that area could be very useful for setting up some infrastructure for experimental aircraft testing.
I used to live under one of the Landing Approaches for JFK. The Concorde was Insanely loud. There were jets coming in, and then there was the Concorde. The normal jets were Not Nice when they flew over, but you could still talk to one another as they passed overhead. You had to stop talking when the Concorde flew over.
As an addendum, when an occasional Propeller driven aircraft flew overhead you almost didn't notice the engine noise.
Great video. I remember sonic booms north west of Boston in the late 50’s, early 60’s. They were scary as you couldn’t expect them.
I grew up in Indiana and heard many sonic booms as a kid. Not sure what created them.
I've been driving along this road between Miami and Naples in a trip years ago and never know about this remote airport. It was nice to learn something new in this video. I immediatly went to see it on Google earth !
"almost great" aircraft video would be amazing! Yes please
It fascinates me how fragile some of the developments in technology are, how one company can make a whole industry jump, how one study can make or break the public perception of a new development, and how sometimes it takes decades to dilute certain concerns or stubborn rejection of change.
This reminds me of a video on North Korea's economic collapse I watched today - it was a very specific set of circumstances that allowed for that economy to grow rapidly, and once those circumstances changed, all those aspects collapsed as a chain reaction...
flown over that airport many times the COOFS intersection on the Palmz 2 star into KMIA is very close to it.
I love Kennedy. Any video with with clips of him in it gets a like from me.
If he were alive today, he would have to be a Republican especially his views on personal responsibility.
There was so much innovation back in those days, back when we had drive to succeed and make a better future with new horizons of technology and implementation. Nothing like today
TNT has the two things experienced air travelers really want in an airport, long runway and no mountains.
So interesting!! Thanks so much!😊
In 1979 I did my early flight training about 40 miles west of there at KAPF when I worked at Marco Island airport and I also worked on the Martin 404s that Marco Island airways flew.
Remember seeing that in an old National Geographic...
I can remember at the time that it was used for training flights receiving the pressure on MIA
🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟 All your programs are 5-star! Thank you.
I do indeed remember hearing sonic booms. I sure hadn’t connected that with the Concord tho. Thank you for this fascinating video into the aviation history.
An Aircraft which needs an Airport in the middle of nowhere to be able to operate has indeed unlucky Limits!
Thank you very much for uncovering this secret!👍
Fascinating - thanks for telling this tale.
20:15 The ban on supersonic flight over dry land might have something to do with that. The airplane would be flying subsonic on approach. And since the Miami International is closer to water than the JetPort, it was more economical (and faster) to land there.
That was the maddest thing about the sst competition, that the by the far least experienced in supersonic flight company got the contract. Should say something about the competition itself.
I lived in London in the late 90's, and yes you knew when Concord was flying over the city. It was a completely different sound, the windows in our flat would rattle.
Check out Plattsburgh Intl (KPBG) in upstate NY. 12,000 ft runway on a GA Field. I think it is a former SAC bomber base
Very interesting and thanks as always.
Yes - I use Google earth all thd time to find interesting spots in thd desert and then I try to find them in my offroad Suburban.
Very cool, Petter!
I saw the Concorde take of from Ontario airport Calif. when I worked for Lockheed Aircraft Service Co. thanks to my supervisor having advanced knowledge. Seemed small, not real loud to me. And by the way always thought the 707 was the most airworthy airliner ever.
Concorde was even very loud on approach to Kennedy. Had one fly over Monmouth County when I lived there - broke out of the low clouds while I was getting lunch and before I saw it I heard something much louder than anything I'd heard before. But it was beautiful.
I’m watching all of your videos but normally I don’t write comments. This time I do: thanks Petter, this one was very interesting. Have a happy summer, you and your family (and your team of course)…
Should supersonic commercial planes be brought back?
Only if they can be motivated by economy and ok for the environment.
Fascinating. Thanks!
Concorde flying overhead daily 'into' LHR, was as noisy as a 747 taking off. It was a very noisy AC. But so cool.
Funny how no-one mentions Avro Canada's Jetliner (before the Comet) or their supersonic CF-105 Arrow interceptor, both headed by Fred Smye who, by the way, was a technical lead on the Concorde. Coincidence? I think not.
Maplin sands is another good one to look at Petter. The greatest airport Britain never had
I was in High School in Atlanta, in 1985, when Concord made it's made it's first flight into Atlanta!
What a show that was!
Unfortunately, I didn't see it in person, even though we live in the flight path of then Atlanta Hartsfield International Airport. Apparently, they took a non-standard path into the Airport.
Great video thank you. Airport history can be very interesting. I was wondering if you have done videos or know of any videos on the history of the Moses Lake, Washington USA airport. I know it's been used for many things over the years and right now an aerial view on Google shows hundreds of commercial aircraft just parked there. I really enjoy your videos, maybe if you have not done it yet, you could do a video history of Moses Lake airport? Thank you for your efforts!
ATC: Hey, can we borrow one of them spy satellites? We have a Pan Am rolling at the other end of the runway..
We're gonna need bigger binoculars..
Exactly
I have heard about this thanks to a HAI video! And I have heard about the other, lessor known aircraft from Mustard videos and Ruairidh Macveigh videos!
good work
A 9km runway is so insane. It would take you two hours to walk the whole thing!!!
I knew about it.
In fact, had the pilots of the burning ValuJet plane knew about it, they might have tried to land there....
Also I flew in the Convair 990.
I don't think they had time to make it there.
About randomly finding something very interesting on google earth, surprisingly yes! I do look around from time to time and one day I stumbled on the airbase where the only ever prototype of the Su-47 is being kept, it's such an odd looking design that it is a real shame it's not housed in a formal indoor museum. Funny enough the imagery was updated a few months later and it was joined only a few meters away by one of the early Su-57 prototypes
I find your vids quite interesting, even if I don't always agree with the more non-technical.
On another twist look at East Naples. There is a extensive grid of streets where almost nobody lives called Golden Gate Estates. I accidentially found the area and drove around it. There are some houses which are occupied. Perhaps early movers. There were once had big plans for development. Not in form of the gated communities that are still growing today. More in an ordinary urban development. So the developers laid out a grid of streets and had them built. But then environmantal concerns and bancruptcy of the company had the whole project abandoned.