Bloody hell! My dad had this on a Stanley Holloway album in the early seventies. I think it was called "Young Sam and other favourites". This is a North Manchester accent and is not typical of a Lancashire accent. The accent of Middleton, which is mentioned here, changed when Langley estate was built as Collyhurst overspill. Older Middletonians speak like Oldhamers.
Oh you sound like me dad he was born in st helens then married someone from Prescot when it was a little town on its own I was born in Prescot with my 5 siblings it's says Lancashire on my birth certificate and I still say I'm from Lancashire not Merseyside Lancashire went into when the boundary changed I loved your rendition love fran xxx
Another wee one from me. I typed your name on Google and found out you were born in Todmorden... were you also raised in that town? I personally adore '70s pop band Supertramp, and one of their members is from Todmorden, his name is John Helliwell, you might know him... Keith Emerson was born there as well, though he moved down south to Worthing early in his life. I suppose he's the actual massive celebrity from Todmorden, am I wrong? I wrote something about the Accrington accent down below here, it's something about the way Accringtonians pronounce letter 'r' in front of consonants, unlike you do, I was wondering why Accringtonians often go rhotic... i.e., the word 'Ark': you say 'Ah-k', they'd say 'Oh-rk'!!! Is the Todmorden accent a Lancashire accent although the town's in Yorkshire? Thank you, Brendan.
+Gianmaria Framarin Hi there, I was born in Manchester - Collyhurst to be precise. Left Manchester aged 11 or 12 and moved to Middleton - half way to Rochdale. Didn't move to Todmorden until later in life.
"Tod" is definitely more Yorkshire than Lancashire, and Rochdale (although people will kill me for saying this) is kind of a transitional dialect between Lancashire and Yorkshire
Aye, Rochdale is so similar to the Bradford area... I'd even dare say Mancunian is more of a combination between Yorkshire features and Lancashire ones, as in i.e. "stay", pronounced as "ste-eh", the same way the Tykes do. In fact, southern Lancashire has almost disappeared, choked between Manchester and Scouseland... East Lancashire is well and alive, very rhotic, very 'Jon Anderson-like', I've heard rhotic accents also in Bury, btw... North Lancashire is probably the broadest area where you'll hear Lancastrians distinctively...
I was born and raised in the Collyhurst district of Manchester (Les Dawson was from Collyhurst - listen to him). I moved to Middleton aged about thirteen. Accents are a loose hobby of mine. One thing a I picked up on in Tod is how some people say the sord "sport" which becomes "spoart". I moved to Tod about 30 years ago. I have met John Halliwell, he had gone back to Manchester University to "learn how to play the saxaphone properly" (his words). I last saw him supporting Christy Moore at the Free Trade Hall in Manchester (its an hotel now!). Since then I've lost touch. The two most famous sons from Tod would be the Nobel prize winners and John Fielding who worked hard to outlaw child exploitation in the factories duirng the 19th century. Barbara Diggle, who died a few years ago used to record for the blind and hers would be the purest Tod accent I could refer you to - don't know if anyone has bothered to put any of her stuff on You Tube - they should do. She was briliiant and a wonderful lady to boot! I have a CD she did years ago which is still a joy to listen to. If you get the chance to listen to Ewan McCall do so - he was from Salford and there's a lot of his speech still around. He wrote one of the greatest love songs ever written: "The first time ever I saw your face" - listen to it sung by him for the Salford burr.
So you met John!!! By gosh, I love Supertramp... he's lost a bit of his accent, especially when pronouncing the 'u' in words such as 'cut'/'but'/'supper' and on... he now pronounces these words as a southerner would do. Aye, I've listened to those you mentioned here, except for Barbara Diggle, she's unfindable over here... Les Dawson, aye... Ewan MacColl too, aye... the Manchester accent is now shaping in my brain and ears much easier and I can tell a Mancunian from a Tyke quite easily... I have to say Mancunian lost a lot of features belonging to other Lancastrian dialects, though, not as much as Scouse at least! One thing that strikes me of some Yorkshore accents is the awkward way they pronounce the 'o's... I've herad them pronounce words like 'snow' or 'go' like 'sner' and 'ger'... couldn't believe it!!! ;-) Thanks again, Mr. Ramsbottom.
There's just ONE thing I keep wondering about: I heard people from Accrington somewhere, and noticed they don't pronounce the 'broad a' in words such as "ark" the way you do here. You pronounce the broad 'a' very open, close to a very open letter 'eh', the way most people do around Liverpool, Manchester, etc... the Accringtonians instead pronounce that broad 'a' sound CLOSER TO A VERY OPEN 'OHH' SOUND. I mean, if you say 'park' a wee bit like 'p-ae-rk', they instead always go like 'poh-ark'... it sounds like a Yorkshire man saying 'pork', or even better: ever heard New Yorkers saying 'park'? That's exactly how they say it in Accrington. They often pronounce the 'r' in it too, depending on who's speaking... This Accrington feature is some surprise, because the rest of Lancashire (Liverpool and Manchester included, and Yorkshire too) pronounce that letter just the way you do. Only Accringtonians don't. Anyone can explain?
This is not just Accrington, but many towns in East Lancashire have this , similar to the way they say 'four' as 'phoar', with the 'w'. Same in Burnley, and many part sof Eats Lancashire, particularly in Rossendale. Even heard it in parts of Rochdale.
Och... thanks. I know about Accrington through Jon Anderson and David Lloyd of course... so it's all about Hyndburn and Rossendale... as soon as you get around Manchester and north of Blackburn it fades away...
Well a tell thi, tint bad tharrun. Am frum Yorkshire so onny a stuans thruar frum thi. Sarnds like wi use a lotta t'same words onny diffrence is tha t'wi prnarnce em diffrent..... Lol 😂👍
I'm sorry sir can I ask you which is your birthplace in Lancashire? I'm writing a degree thesis about Lancashire Dialect and this sounds quite interesting thank you :)
Rashidah Othman I'm from near Blackpool (West Lancashire). I would say "I'm going to the shop" as any one of these: - I'm goin' shop (miss "to the" completely) - I'm off t' shop - I'm goin' t' shop I use the second one the most.
+Stu. Birchall. Aye, I've heard thousands of 'new brand of' Wiganers copying Mancunians, it's a shame but I suppose it's inevitable as big cities expand. Strangely enough, I've also heard people from St Helen's yet they sounded properly Lancashire and not at all any Scouse... and they're just one step out of Liverpool... I'm a Scot (Ayr) and if you pass Kilmarnock Ayrshire almost totally blends with Glasgow... I personally enjoy the Weegies and their accent (I may be one of the few, honestly) and I know it's totally inevitable, but I'm also certain Ayr will always be kept away from this accent spread. Robert Burns might not like it that much, don't you think? ;-)
Ask your grandad about the Wakes weeks in Wigan. I worked on the Skelmersdale Estate in around 1967/8 and we passed through Wigan daily - the whole town was closed down except for a little 'auld' chap in a newspaper doorway selling newspapers. It was an eerie experience for a teenager - but a lovely memory.
«Eee we didn’t have nowt like that in Accrington when I were a lad!» Jon Anderson of Yes watching the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders on TV in the US.
Watching this in the middle of the night. It made for a good bedtime story.
Bloody hell! My dad had this on a Stanley Holloway album in the early seventies. I think it was called "Young Sam and other favourites".
This is a North Manchester accent and is not typical of a Lancashire accent. The accent of Middleton, which is mentioned here, changed when Langley estate was built as Collyhurst overspill. Older Middletonians speak like Oldhamers.
I don't care what ya say . . . .that's just plain old good work. Thanks. Bob Forrester from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
I hope the Digital Library, don't ever go downt lavvy. All them recordins hold thousands of years o stored ignorance.
I love this accent.
Doing some research on a role for a broad Lancashire accent. You're recital helped out tremendously. Thank you for posting it.
+Antonio Royuela Watch any programme with Fred Dibnah in it for that proper back-of-the-throat broad Bolton Lancashire accent.
Thank you Joe. Much abliged I will look into that.
Great Lancashire recitation 🙌
Thats' how my Great Grandmother spoke, She was from Wigan.
It sounds like Game of Thrones uses this accent a lot
'Winter is coming' from the North!
Oh you sound like me dad he was born in st helens then married someone from Prescot when it was a little town on its own I was born in Prescot with my 5 siblings it's says Lancashire on my birth certificate and I still say I'm from Lancashire not Merseyside Lancashire went into when the boundary changed I loved your rendition love fran xxx
Thank you. I am pleased that you enjoyed it.
Would you recite Bessie's Boil by Robert William Service please?
+iahorvath Hi, I put this on during the summer - did you get to hear it?
Sounds like an Oldham accent to me, possibly Rochdale
Luke Slater Nah. In Oldham we pronounce stair as stir and care as cur. He's North Manc.
I agree with Rochdale as that's where I'm from.
Originally from Collyhurst in Manchester
Thanks Rod. How you doing?
That was weird. I live a stones throw from Wood Street in Middleton!
Very close. Thanks for the info on the original writer, I thought Mike had written it.
That'll do Lad, That'll do :-) Well done Mr Ramsbottom (Sir) ;-)
omg thats so me when i was a wee lass
Another wee one from me.
I typed your name on Google and found out you were born in Todmorden... were you also raised in that town? I personally adore '70s pop band Supertramp, and one of their members is from Todmorden, his name is John Helliwell, you might know him... Keith Emerson was born there as well, though he moved down south to Worthing early in his life. I suppose he's the actual massive celebrity from Todmorden, am I wrong?
I wrote something about the Accrington accent down below here, it's something about the way Accringtonians pronounce letter 'r' in front of consonants, unlike you do, I was wondering why Accringtonians often go rhotic... i.e., the word 'Ark': you say 'Ah-k', they'd say 'Oh-rk'!!!
Is the Todmorden accent a Lancashire accent although the town's in Yorkshire?
Thank you, Brendan.
+Gianmaria Framarin Hi there, I was born in Manchester - Collyhurst to be precise. Left Manchester aged 11 or 12 and moved to Middleton - half way to Rochdale. Didn't move to Todmorden until later in life.
"Tod" is definitely more Yorkshire than Lancashire, and Rochdale (although people will kill me for saying this) is kind of a transitional dialect between Lancashire and Yorkshire
Aye, Rochdale is so similar to the Bradford area... I'd even dare say Mancunian is more of a combination between Yorkshire features and Lancashire ones, as in i.e. "stay", pronounced as "ste-eh", the same way the Tykes do.
In fact, southern Lancashire has almost disappeared, choked between Manchester and Scouseland... East Lancashire is well and alive, very rhotic, very 'Jon Anderson-like', I've heard rhotic accents also in Bury, btw...
North Lancashire is probably the broadest area where you'll hear Lancastrians distinctively...
I was born and raised in the Collyhurst district of Manchester (Les Dawson was from Collyhurst - listen to him). I moved to Middleton aged about thirteen. Accents are a loose hobby of mine. One thing a I picked up on in Tod is how some people say the sord "sport" which becomes "spoart". I moved to Tod about 30 years ago. I have met John Halliwell, he had gone back to Manchester University to "learn how to play the saxaphone properly" (his words). I last saw him supporting Christy Moore at the Free Trade Hall in Manchester (its an hotel now!). Since then I've lost touch. The two most famous sons from Tod would be the Nobel prize winners and John Fielding who worked hard to outlaw child exploitation in the factories duirng the 19th century. Barbara Diggle, who died a few years ago used to record for the blind and hers would be the purest Tod accent I could refer you to - don't know if anyone has bothered to put any of her stuff on You Tube - they should do. She was briliiant and a wonderful lady to boot! I have a CD she did years ago which is still a joy to listen to. If you get the chance to listen to Ewan McCall do so - he was from Salford and there's a lot of his speech still around. He wrote one of the greatest love songs ever written: "The first time ever I saw your face" - listen to it sung by him for the Salford burr.
So you met John!!! By gosh, I love Supertramp... he's lost a bit of his accent, especially when pronouncing the 'u' in words such as 'cut'/'but'/'supper' and on... he now pronounces these words as a southerner would do.
Aye, I've listened to those you mentioned here, except for Barbara Diggle, she's unfindable over here...
Les Dawson, aye... Ewan MacColl too, aye... the Manchester accent is now shaping in my brain and ears much easier and I can tell a Mancunian from a Tyke quite easily...
I have to say Mancunian lost a lot of features belonging to other Lancastrian dialects, though, not as much as Scouse at least!
One thing that strikes me of some Yorkshore accents is the awkward way they pronounce the 'o's... I've herad them pronounce words like 'snow' or 'go' like 'sner' and 'ger'... couldn't believe it!!! ;-)
Thanks again, Mr. Ramsbottom.
There's just ONE thing I keep wondering about: I heard people from Accrington somewhere, and noticed they don't pronounce the 'broad a' in words such as "ark" the way you do here. You pronounce the broad 'a' very open, close to a very open letter 'eh', the way most people do around Liverpool, Manchester, etc... the Accringtonians instead pronounce that broad 'a' sound CLOSER TO A VERY OPEN 'OHH' SOUND. I mean, if you say 'park' a wee bit like 'p-ae-rk', they instead always go like 'poh-ark'... it sounds like a Yorkshire man saying 'pork', or even better: ever heard New Yorkers saying 'park'? That's exactly how they say it in Accrington. They often pronounce the 'r' in it too, depending on who's speaking...
This Accrington feature is some surprise, because the rest of Lancashire (Liverpool and Manchester included, and Yorkshire too) pronounce that letter just the way you do. Only Accringtonians don't.
Anyone can explain?
I live in Accrington and I do say it like that
This is not just Accrington, but many towns in East Lancashire have this , similar to the way they say 'four' as 'phoar', with the 'w'. Same in Burnley, and many part sof Eats Lancashire, particularly in Rossendale. Even heard it in parts of Rochdale.
Och... thanks. I know about Accrington through Jon Anderson and David Lloyd of course... so it's all about Hyndburn and Rossendale... as soon as you get around Manchester and north of Blackburn it fades away...
Perceptive Gianmaria.
My accent is not as strong as yours so don't worry!
Well a tell thi, tint bad tharrun. Am frum Yorkshire so onny a stuans thruar frum thi. Sarnds like wi use a lotta t'same words onny diffrence is tha t'wi prnarnce em diffrent..... Lol 😂👍
I'm sorry sir can I ask you which is your birthplace in Lancashire?
I'm writing a degree thesis about Lancashire Dialect and this sounds quite interesting
thank you :)
Tha could be reet there Luke auld lad! Nearer to Owdam though!
+Brendan Ramsbottom true born Manc. Born in Collyhurst - same as Les Dawson!
Lancashire dropps th' 'cassional "the" lahk in Yohkshire, too eh? Bril.
Rashidah Othman I'm from near Blackpool (West Lancashire). I would say "I'm going to the shop" as any one of these:
- I'm goin' shop (miss "to the" completely)
- I'm off t' shop
- I'm goin' t' shop
I use the second one the most.
John Leatherbarrow where about near Blackpool? My mum’s from Chorley but I’m from Canada trying to pick up on the lanky accent
Wouldn't say what's you business as a lancashire lad it would be wats,sti.up to
Haha my grandad speaks like this normally only a lot broader he's a proper owd fashioned wiganer lol
Stu. Birchall. Funnily enough I was in Wigan yesterday for the first time in many years! Did you enjoy the recitation?
Was you where abouts ? I did Brendan yea it was good it's just sad that the accent is dying out a lot now .
+Stu. Birchall. Aye, I've heard thousands of 'new brand of' Wiganers copying Mancunians, it's a shame but I suppose it's inevitable as big cities expand.
Strangely enough, I've also heard people from St Helen's yet they sounded properly Lancashire and not at all any Scouse... and they're just one step out of Liverpool...
I'm a Scot (Ayr) and if you pass Kilmarnock Ayrshire almost totally blends with Glasgow... I personally enjoy the Weegies and their accent (I may be one of the few, honestly) and I know it's totally inevitable, but I'm also certain Ayr will always be kept away from this accent spread. Robert Burns might not like it that much, don't you think? ;-)
Ask your grandad about the Wakes weeks in Wigan. I worked on the Skelmersdale Estate in around 1967/8 and we passed through Wigan daily - the whole town was closed down except for a little 'auld' chap in a newspaper doorway selling newspapers. It was an eerie experience for a teenager - but a lovely memory.
Bey heck, 'e saunds POSH. Nay use Skrikin. What taken a thosund year, has gone, in three generation. No point skenning...nowt fut see ear...