Two Golden Eagles vanish in suspicious circumstances on Scottish grouse moor.
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2019
- Adam and Charlie vanished from the Auchnafree Estate in the Strathbraan area of Perthshire on the morning of 18th April 2019. The eagles’ satellite tags, which had been working perfectly well for one and two years respectively, suddenly and inexplicably stopped working (Charlie’s at 06.25hrs and Adam’s at 11.39hrs) just 3.4km apart. Both the tags and the eagles have since been untraceable.
Raise the penalties to match the crimes. Money is being made as well.
I hope they catch the criminals that did this!! I hope they are punished, imprisoned and heavily fined.
There is nothing to say a crime has been committed,we only have a convoluted story by Packham and Thompson!!!
@@normanmurray3659 No brain Norman ....the evidence Is compelling....and one day the crooks will be brought to book
@@bigglesbiggles4999 Absolute bollocks you brainless fool.
@@bigglesbiggles4999 Two brainless liars together, as twisted as they come.
@@bigglesbiggles4999 Aye , Packham and Thompson.
This is absolutely heartbreaking.
Devastatingly sad - I really hope the perpetrators are brought to account.
Made me cry. I really hate most humans :'(
Hello here from the USA Spent a lot of time in Scotland It’s such a beautiful country and it’s absolutely HEARTBREAKING to hear this happening The bald eagle was nearly extinguished in the US in the 1960’s from DDT and it’s taken decades for them to come back Not to mention all the horrible people out there hunting and selling them for whatever ALL eagles need to be left alone to flourish It’s hard enough for them to survive on their own let alone having humans interfering Sometimes I just hate People makes me sick
It’s about time we all live together, typical human activity 😡
Sad stuff buddy hate idiots that destroy what we have
This criminal and destructive behaviour is so sad. Well done to all the investigation team.
They haven't achieved anything yet,if they have been shot where is the culprit/s praise when it's earned.
It is not an "investigation team " . It is a propaganda team
eton boys doing what they like in scotland
"A grouse moor" is too impersonal. Why not say "persons name" 's grouse moor. Put a photo up of who is in charge of the moor. Name and shame the people at the top and their keepers.
First proof , second trial , third punishment
Its got to be done, its gone on too long
It is an ongoing investigation, the police have not got anyone on the estate as suspects, innocent until proven guilty.
@@ionamcg622 I think going by some of the other comments there are a good few that need reminding of this....
@@ionamcg622🙄 they wont get anyone will they, with the moors being huge, why do you think they get away with murder
I was heartbroken when I read this
I live in America. People here used to shoot bison for fun when they were heading west in the 1800s. Almost completely culled every animal. Maybe jail time is needed as a punishment.
Is there anyway a pinhole camera could be installed in the tracker?
Yes but they won't pay for them as it would knacker their propaganda.
makes me angry and sad on so many levels to watch this. I have heard about this happening all across Scotland....something needs to be done.
Get better trackers.
Fake news
Reliability is between 25 to 75%. For their trackers.Chris Packham and Ian Thompson two liars together what a team.
How long are we to put up with this level of incompetence and deliberate misleading information.
Who manages this land... ?
Might be the Scottish Trust, www.nts.org.uk/ ... a lot of land in Scotland is privately owned too, but I think Scottish Trust still watches over private land too, if it is deemd of environmental or historical significance. For example you would have to submit your plans to them to makes any changes to a historical site/building etc. even if you own the land/house etc.
Why not put up £250,000 raised by a crowd fund leading to the arrest and successful conviction of any criminals? I'm sure quite a few game keepers would come forward to tell the truth ...........watch this space...........
You would need a lot more than that your talking a million to lose every thing !!!
I have seen some fantastic footage from cameras fitted to raptors. If the footage could be collected (i.e. recorded live) when birds are illegally taken/shot/poisoned etc, could such footage then identify people/vehicles etc that are committing these crimes, often on grouse moors? I also understand that thousands of grouse are raised for the sport of shooting on these moors, has any major organisation (RSPB/BTO etc) ever undertaken a comprehensive study of how many grouse are actually lost through raptors taking these birds?
Golden Eagles pose very little to no risk to grouse as grouse can easily out maneuver an Eagle.
However Peregrines are a high risk to grouse taking many birds when feeding chick's, there are few hen harriers so pose little risk to grouse but as the Peregrine they feed heavily on grouse.
They won't pay for cameras on trackers as it will spoil their propaganda.
The batteries might be dead ah these people have condemned the keepers before they have eny clues atall
Beginning to sound like battery failure
Providing a service for the sick and depraved. Waits for the time that they're put out of business.
I take it your speaking about Chris and the RSPB.
All you phonies that believe that nature is there to be slaughtered. Hunting isn't a sport. Never was.
@@ssmith7272 It's a field sport by definition! Always was.
@@ssmith7272 www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/field-sports
@@normanmurray3659 Execution by definition.
Can some raptor expert tell me, it showed the eagles in the film at ground level eating what looked like a dead sheep and a dead deer how long would they normally feed for on the ground as it said in the film that it was unusual for them to be on the ground for six minutes in one spot,surely they would spend longer than that eating if undisturbed. Also would male eagles fight other eagles and other birds of prey over territory?
Yes an eagle can spend 6 minutes feeding on a carcass, but there isn't any carcass nearby and it doesn't explain why both the satellite transmitters stopped working. Golden eagles arent heavily territorial but they will fight other eagles if they get anyway near a nest
@@bradleywoods3742 They ferociously defend territories eagles will kill each other and other birds of prey, go and learn about eagles.
@@normanmurray3659 I never doubted that, and my comment has nothing to do with what you just said. Go and take some English lessons.
@@bradleywoods3742 What for ? Maybe you should take them lessons.
@@bradleywoods3742 It has everything to do with what you said." Golden eagles arent heavily territorial "
absolute disgrace need to get tough on this behaviour now grrrr
I agree,what do you suggest doing to Packham and Thompson?
@@normanmurray3659 😂😂
@@eminemisdogshit4626 If it's a war the Gamekeepers want, THEN WAR THEY SHALL HAVE!!!!!!!
@@dtaylor4552 Too true. These inbred's need sense bashed into them
@@eminemisdogshit4626 Aye, Packham and Thompson.
the scotish government is to blame for this crap the first minster will do nothing unless it has independence in the sentence
Is about time these estates are held account for their actions. They need regulated and licensed!
Evidence and facts are needed. No proof that they were killed by keepers. I bet there are others out there who would profit from these dead birds. To easy to point the finger / slander. We need facts, proof and punishment. Not assumptions and suggestions.
@@salopsniper22 true, but it's difficult to prove and all very suspect, it's quite easy to dispose of a dead bird and I know from a friend that it happens in the Borders. Buzzards and owls shot to protect the pheasants.
Could she not have made a kill around the turning space? Could she not have been feeding up on the kill on the ground.?
Nice one keep up the pressure 👍
Well done Chris and the other people that bring this to our attention....bloody shameful!!
I think it shameful that he has declared guilt without any proof they are even dead!!!
Packham ! Remember what he just tried and failed
@@mike02439 The mans an ignorant pest.
@@normanmurray3659 same as carrion crows
@Oumaumau Are the eagles dead ? Where is the proof ? Where is the proof any eagle was killed ? Eagles need very large territories , perhaps the eagles have moved especially if there is a dominant mated pair in the area . People need to understand that Packham and co. are anti grouse shooting as they are anti control of carrion / hooded crows . These peoples' actions damage the biodiversity of the countryside
And wales last golden eagle has been found dead now 😩
Absolutely beautiful bird of prey and I'm disgusted to say that I'm a human being these people who persecute these magnificent creatures need shooting imho vile scum who can do such appalling things to a bird that brings in so much revenue for Scotland and is a iconic bird to Scotland also these people who kill these magical creatures or any evidence of interference with these beautiful birds should be sent down for at least 20 years hard penalties are needed in these cases
Muppet, wake up and smell the coffee, conspiracy at its finest 🤐
Wonder if lamb farming has anything to do with it.
Yet more "human progress".
@Cameron Mills If hungry, a golden eagle will hunt the biggest thing it can carry or pin down - fish, lambs, mice, foxes, half-eaten ham sandwiches.... Everything and everyone must eat - at the end of the day, we must eat to survive. Plans are to plant Golden Eagles in Snowdonia! Sure they'll enjoy banana skins, human poo, and cigarette butts for food, never mind the thousands of hikers trampling all over the place making fires and taking risky selfies.
Humans are the most evasive of all the earth... Watch how karma comes into play...
How much more money can we make from wildlife. Loads I suspect. Think of all the reserves and tourists. This is worth more than money really tho isn't it
Why do never see Packham and all the other bleeding hearts and Artists standing below wind turbines picking up dead birds of all kinds, but the minute an eagle or any other bird of prey goes missing on a grouse moor then it’s allways the gamekeepers fault, without proof usually.
86% of successful prosecutions of wildlife crime in Scotland were of gamekeepers. Given the extreme difficulty in obtaining direct evidence of these crimes (aided by refusal in several cases of courts refusing to accept video of perpetrators) this is the tip of a very large iceberg.
Cause it is, stands out a mile, why do you think these are tagged, body missing with their tags, picked up by trigger happy 😡
@@johncantelo stay in England
@@davidross8709 what ? As opposed to visiting Scotland, we generally do 😁
@@ForeverEngland76 thank god for that then
One or more asshats probably killed the birds and disposed of the destroyed gps trackers as well as the birds.
Effing bastards, such a noble bird, I'm sick of people making money out of animals
What bastards? how do you earn your money,it is not a crime to earn money!!!
Pecos Paul Kele
Long live the grouse shoot long live the real countryside!!!
Fuck the grouse eagles were dominant before us let them have their land back
Some wild claims about the reliability of satellite tags have been made by some here. Unfortunately, much deliberate misinformation has been spewed out by those with vested interests in shooting. One claim of low tag reliability used by apologists stemmed from a study of entirely different tags used on Olive Ridley Turtles in a far more hostile environment (i.e salt water). Hence caution should be used when quoting figures derived from pro-grouse shooting sources. The authoritative SNH report on the disappearance of Golden Eagles dismissed claims regarding low tag reliability. Exactly the same tags as those used on Hen Harriers in the UK are used with Montagu's Harrier in Holland where they have a far lower 'failure' rate of only 6%. The nature of the failure is also different on tags used elsewhere characteristically being indicated by intermittent signals then stopping unlike the sudden failure found in the UK - indicating tags have been interfered with. Corpses with transmitting tags are also found more often elsewhere unlike in the UK tags and bodies tend to vanish .... Hence two tag 'failures' hours apart in 'suspicious circumstances' (indicating a sudden cessation of signals) with no bodies located in an area with a documented history of illegal persecution is hugely suspicious.
Thanks for the links. Interesting reading!
6% is higher than Thompson is making out!!! Failure rates have varied between 25 and 70% from the information that we have managed to find,one project in the Highlands had 3 failures out of 8 which is roughly 37.5%, these are from known projects. Fred the eagle was a complete fiasco,they knew the transmitter was failing by the signals it was sending and then trying to down load,they even knew where it was,Thompson never bothered to go out to find the bird,a bird being buffeted by a storm wasn't going to last long.time was limited to find the bird but he preferred his bed and went down in the morning to check in the office and then it started his cock and bull story.we don't know maybe he did go out and located the bird already dead and chucked him in the boot,why was a an eagle following the road for 2 days and then the tracker fired up again in the sea,it is all suspicious even more so by Thompsons story telling. the Bird was sheltering in trees beside a public park used by dog walkers and the general public,but nobody saw it? The whole fiasco stank,Thompson then said it must have been killed and moved by boat and dumped. who in their right mind was going out in a boat in a storm where all the boats were moored because of the severity of the storm. As far as i can see at the moment this is another Fred story.
Not a fan of Packham, but this is awful.
Failed trackers happen whether we like it or not!!!
The person(s) who committed this heinous crime, obviously were there in a vehicle and there's not a lot of roads/tracks leading into that area. You can see quite clearly the two areas where they disappeared on Google maps with a bit of close scrutiny from the information on RUclips. They would have had to pass by Dalreich and Auchnafree and nobody there who possibly saw a vehicle around that time in the day, thought to ask "What are they up to?" unless they were part of the Estate Management???
Did your Google map tell you that there were severe thunder and lightning in the area the birds disappeared .Scotland was in the middle of a severe thunder storm at the time.
@@normanmurray3659 So we can assume the lightning knocked out the trackers? Don't think so.
@@Scottishboy-gg8bc If it can knock out the internet it sure can knock out trackers. And it was at the time one of the worst lightning storms that we had seen in a while.
@@Scottishboy-gg8bc What is your theory, as the police could find nothing tying any keepers or estate workers to the disappearance, no bullets had been fired no cartridges discharged. The Police have said the estate is not involved in the disappearance of the 2 eagles.. Come up with your theory now.
@@normanmurray3659 They were shot out of the sky and as it was said, most unusual to be on the ground unless feeding and two birds disappear with no sign of the trackers on the ground. "They fail as a result of human interference" It's going to be very difficult in that remote area to catch shooters. End of my comments. FULL STOP.
For anyone to suggest it would be anyone other than those who manage the land are either kidding themselves on or are blatant liars. The only people who have access to these hills with vehicles are those who manage it, anyone else is on foot or riding a bike, and lo and behold, it happened at a turning circle. Dress it up anyway you want with possible scenarios but we all know who are responsible. I admire those taking part in the clip for having the strength of character not so say what they really think.
Who are you talking about, the two liars ?
@@normanmurray3659 Not sure of your point but unless you didn't understand what I said I'll say it again, ONLY estate workers will be responsible for killing the two eagles.
@@Itsthejourneynotthedestination Nonsense, Territorial fighting, thunder and lightning which was in the area that day could have knocked out the trackers.
Thomson suggested it was unusual for an eagle to spend 6 minutes in one place, another lie eagles like any birds will bask in the sunshine to keep their feathers in good condition, so it is not unusual for eagles to spend 20 minutes or more in the same place.
@@normanmurray3659 Aye ok....two in the one day close to each other, what's the chances eh. Anyway, just out of interest what's your employment ??
Adam must have been mistaken for a grouse.
If your eyesight is that bad, you should't have a gun license.
@@Scottishboy-gg8bc It is not grouse shooting season yet!!!
They should prosecute the criminals that made this shocking video. I do not shoot, I don't even have a garden hose let alone a water pistol but I am sick and tired of this individuals continous lies and tall stories
Sadly many people believe Packham
@TheNatureLover So what was the outcome? A complete tissue of lies based on little more than hatred of anyone with a bigger garden than himself or a bigger bank balance. Chris only cares about his ego and garnering adoration from those unable to think for themselves
Like the others it will have nothing to do with humans. In the wild they have very very very little chance of "living a long life". The irony is the people that love these birds and keep them the most are the community you love to try to destroy.
So,2 birds tags stopped and 2 birds are missing what does this prove, 2 tags have stopped and 2 birds are missing!!!
Idiot.
@@jimmylaing8610 you have certainly proved your an idiot,try giving it up if you can!!!
Do you like soldiers?
Do you nsupport "Tommy"?
@@jimmylaing8610 Stick to the subject you nutter.
Only thing I can see as criminal activity here is people capturing the birds and attaching electronic devices and harnesses to them. The birds are in these areas because they eat grouse so obviously they’re going to be in those areas.
@TheNatureLover aye well I think that does more harm than good. It's not enough to assume that when these birds 'disappear' that the reason is criminal activity. It's not natural for these birds to wear tracking devices.
I think it's more like the RSPB trying to justify their huge income from donations. Why don't they set up small cameras spanning the grouse moors etc, in stead of attaching trackers to the birds, they could work with the landowners on that and if there is any criminality it would be caught on camera. Problem solved.
They don't eat grouse, they are there for mountain hares.
I see the way packer head is trying to push this .were veilcal's are able to get to think its possible these bird's are still alive and a profit has been made. The only link with the grouse moor is that it's diverse in life looked after .just check out a life of a grouse moor on RUclips. Life is abundant not just grouse
@TheNatureLover the fires are controlled as for the traps you are reading to mutch proper gander. Game keeper genuine keepers are castodiens of the land an open mind is needed. Just look at a RUclips vid could a year in the life of a grouse moor
Let's sum up the comments to save you going to the trouble of reading them all.
I hate humans, i really hate people. It is all the fault of the Tories, they live in big castles and hate eagles and people like me.
I hate Tories and seagulls, why is there so much hate in the world, why can't you all just be as kind, loving and cute as Chris Packham, eagles and me?
LOL LOL LOL.
You need help brother.
I hope he apologises if these birds return as he has a approach of blaming others and when proved wrong never apologises.these birds fly off and die its nature.
So Mr Packham, you're immediately blaming gamekeepers with no evidence whatsoever. You reckon it's highly unusual for an eagle to spend six minutes on the ground? So how long would the one that you showed feeding on the deer have been on the ground?
Why not release all the data you have rather than the bits you choose?
My suggestion is that you engineered this entire thing because you want grouse shooting banned along with all other fieldsports!
Also, while I'm here, perhaps you'd like to explain why you're advertising Brittany Ferries on your website? They're not exactly good for the environment.
And for the rest of you that blindly follow what Christopher and his friends have to say, why don't you have a look at The Langholm Project and the recommendations as a result of that study which are supported for the most part by the RSPB?
Why not have a look on the GWCT website and find a bit more information for yourselves? After all, I'm sure you're all reasonable people who like to have an informed opinion.
I have exactly the same opinion as you have about the "missing" golden eagles.
The whole thing could possibly be a hoax to ban shooting on grouse moors.
I don't like packham and think he should stay south of the border instead of him stickin his nose in up here.
Must be able to get the names/address etc of these gamekeepers. If the law wont give them a suitable penalty theres always other ways
You ban grouse shooting and watch the bird numbers fall.and watch the feeding stations start popping up to prop them up,its all one sided arguments.
@TheNatureLover and you a counter excuse because really you know numbers would drop.question why do hen harriers breed with more success on grouse managed moors than RSPB managed land
@TheNatureLover you know the shooting fraternity undertake more real conservation work than the RSPB, and the RSPB just want the subsidies to pay off there pensions deficit.
200 lambs in one week lost on a Hampshire farm - and that is YOUR FAULT PACKHAM
The farmer should of kept a closer eye on them then. Most farmers are busy idiots, yeah they claim to do 14hr days but how many of those hours are productive? A fair few are spent talking, propping up gates and afternoon naps
Have a listen to The Country Gent podcast, episode 26 with Andrew Gilruth from The Game & Wildlife Conservation Trust. You never know, you might learn something.
I doubt it.
Ok devils advocate here.
So, in the interest of transparency; I hunt; and yes, I enjoy it. As a rule, I eat what I shoot; other than corvids and the like.
So... do some gamekeepers kill raptors... sadly, yes. We know this so let's not pretend otherwise. Are they in a minority, yes, most certainly. In the same, way as animal rights 'extreamists' are a minority; whilst most are simply people reasonable enough in their actions/protests.
The problem I have here, is that these reports just don't hold together too well.
You would need to be a really silly bastard to kill a raptor and remove its tag in a turning circle... and... what are the chances as shooting a raptor down, exactly over a turning circle in the first place?
Likewise, it takes 30 seconds to chop off a leg/cut a tag and smash a transmitter with a hammer.... not six minutes!
Secondly, the trackers are clever bits of kit and if they can show the bird was at ground level, then they would also be able to show a rapid decent... as in tumbling to earth having been shot down from 120 feet. If the monitors had evidence of the birds falling to earth, they would tell us surely?
Yes... it is possible that these birds have been killed... but... it's also possible that they have been 'taken' / 'relocated' for the purpose of publicity and to aid the fight to ban driven shooting.
Six minutes in a car parking area is about long enough to carefully de-tag a bird and get it into safe transport and away to be released elsewhere.
I'm not saying this 'is' what has happened; I am just saying the scenario fits the circumstances every bit as well, (better maybe), as anything else.
The problem is, (IMHO), vegans are a little extreme and some will go to rather extreme lengths to support their cause, and if 'taking' and 'relocating' a bird is a way to hit at the other side, then it's probably seen as a legitimate tactic.
There is absolutely no excuse for killing a Golden Eagle and I truly doubt that an estate would support this. I doubt also that an estate would want the publicity of such an issue. Any estate proven to have done such a thing would likely find itself ruined.
Shooting is a legitimate undertaking. I believe that everybody that eats meat should at some point, catch, kill and prepare an animal; if everybody did this, there would be far greater appreciation of meat as a food stuff and far less wastage.
There are good and bad on both sides of this matter.
As I say; I'm just playing devils advocate here and things just don't hold together as well as you would hope.
Oh fuck off
Any competent ecologist knows that you can't relocate a golden eagle in the UK.ifthey were caught and relocated in the lake district (example) they would fly straight back up northwards almost immediately.
Bollocks