Ford 6R80 transmission fluid lab results. Its cooked and fluid can't last more than 30k 68RFE 6L80
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- This video is about transmission fluid that has been in the vehicle for 80k miles and was not changed at all. Lab results came back with really bad numbers. If you want problems with your transmission, follow factory recommendation.
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Maybe I am too old, fluid changes are cheap insurance.
3000 (5000 km) oil changes, 30,000 (50,000) km transmission-axle oil change (manual or automatic), brake fluid 3 years. If the fluid in question is discoloured or smells bad I change it immediately no matter the time or distance traveled.
I consider ease of maintenance when purchasing a vehicle, not meant to be serviced I simply don't buy them. Used to be easy but each new year finds less and less of these types of vehicles on the road. Wonder why so many people drive 3/4 ton and larger trucks? Because they are designed to be driven 300,000 to 1,000,000 miles and have maintenance schedules to make that happen. You pay more for fuel but long-term costs are normally cheaper because you don't replace axles, transmissions and engines so often (with regular maintenance)
Flush machines are great for cooling systems, not for transmissions.
Good for life oil is a joke, modern vehicles work harder and hotter and need more maintenance not less.
Excellent points. You're right on man.
No Todd you're not to old , fluid changes above what manufacturer states will make your car run longer
You are old and wise
I only use amsoil fluid and filters. 25 years and had only excellent results!! Never disappointed!!
That fluid looking about the same as the fluid u pulled out of your Toyota. I can't believe all these manufacturers are doing this. You are absolutely right. I do mine every 30k religiously on my 2006 f150 even though the recommended drain interval is much higher. I've used the motorcraft fluid as well as mobile one, but amsoil is the best. That's all I'm using now. Amsoil can last much longer, but I'm sticking to 25/30k drain and filter change. Like you said transmission fluid is cheaper than buying a new transmission.
It is the same think with Volkswagens except there is no dipstick to check the fluid level. I am glad that there is a drain plug that is also used as a fill and check plug. It is messy and a pain in the rear for someone without a lift.
Wow, been doing 50K transmission fluid changes on my 3rd Gen Prius. Never trusted the 100K lifetime changes from the manufacturer.
Cut all service numbers in half.
5k tire rotations and oil change.
30k PVC replacement (if needed) should be checked to see if it's functioning and any oil problems.
50k radiator and transmission drain and fill.
Great video! "lifetime fluid" only means "lifetime of the warranty". I have a 2013 Ram 1500 with the 65RFE I bought new in 2013. I changed the fluid at 22k and am going to do it again at 52k. Truck currently has 50k on it. The 65RFE is also one of the most hated transmissions because of all the problems with it, very similar to the 68RFE. My 65RFE shifts perfect and most likely will continue to shift perfect with fluid changes of 30k.
I had an Accord and did my own transmission drain and fill every 15,000 miles...sold the car with 250000 miles and the transmission was still shifting like a dream! This guy knows what he is talking about
Thank you.
I have a 99 Corolla, 335,000 miles, never changed it once. Still going, still red, and still shifts mint.
It cannot be red for 335k miles without being changed
It’s PAO Amsoil. Doesn’t oxidize and it runs cool..like 140 degrees
You are using amsoil atf in your corolla?
“I don’t abuse them…unless it’s a stick shift…” 🤣. Best part of the video man. Thanks for taking the time to post fluid analysis on the 6R80. Recently bought a Navigator with a 6R80 and 140k miles on it. Fluid is still very black and nasty during the third ATF drain and fill. Hoping it improves after a couple more drain and fills. I can at least partially see through the oil stream when draining (I changed to the Dorman pan with the drain plug to make this process easier). Thanks again for the video.
In 1979 I bought a brand new El Camino. Did my first fluid change at 27,000. The fluid didn't look bad but I was shocked at the amount of debris in the pan. I put about 90,000 on that car, never a problem with the transmission. I saw later where the transmission in my car was one of GM's "problem transmissions". After seeing so much trash in the pan on basically a new car I've always done a fluid change within 20-30,000 miles on any new car I buy and pretty much immeadetly on any used car I buy. Like people say, cheap insurance. Can't prove it has helped, but I haven't had any problems. Transmisions ain't cheap!
90k, wow!
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Wow!! At 88k on my '15 F-150, I just (this past weekend) dropped the pan and did a fluid and filter change. 5 Quarts, 10 Ounces. It looked only half as bad as yours does. Still had good viscosity and still looked purple (not red like new). Yours is black. I only had what I would consider minimaI fine shavings on the magnets. Felt more like wet powder than metal shavings or grit. I will probably do it again in 12K (100K) just to swap in some more new fluid once what I just did mixes around with the original.
**updated 9/9/22**
I never checked the level hot when I did the swap. I just added back in the amount I withdrew. Well today (3 weeks later) I actually checked it at 195 degrees and found I was a quart low. So either it was low from the factory or a quart got consumed somehow in the 88k miles I drove. I added the one quart which brings the total to 6 quarts 10 Ounces added. I sure am glad I checked it hot.
Thank you for update
I have a fleet of Ford transit vans, I learned the hard way 190k miles I paid for new transmission.
Now I do every 30,000 miles pump out 4qt and pump 4 qt LV fluid.
You don’t have to be a mechanic just buy a transfer pump from the harbor freight measure the 4qt out and add 4qt inn.
If you do that Few times you will see quality of your oil change and see red oil.
Drain & fill is the best method. Don’t drain it using the transmission oil cooler hose method. You can damage your transmission easily running without oil.
I also got fooled by ford dealer showed me 150k interval for transmission.
When I bought the van new I asked at 60k do I need the Transmission fluid changed?
Fast forward 3 years I was paying for new transmission lol.
This guy is right. Dont listen to Fords recommend changing intervals. I have a 2014 mustang same trans with 37k. I changed three times and the last time changed the filter for a complete refill and the same for my 2003 Explorer sealed trans. I do that every 30k now. The R60/R80 are really good transmissions but you need to change the ATF. cant trust Ford.
Very informative, I’m shocked how bad that fluid is. My Ram truck has an 8 speed auto. Ram says it’s a lifetime fill, but the manufacturer zf recommends fluid change at 70,000. So I’ll be changing mine at 60,000.
My Dakota says the same. Usually "lifetime fluid" only means it's good for the "lifetime" of your manufacturer warranty. The term is a marketing trick. While not misinformation because it genuinely outlives your warranty, manufacturers still need their vehicles to break down eventually, or need repairs or else they'll sell fewer products.
l helped my cousin change the fluid in his Dodge Ram which had 45,000 miles on the trans fluid and the stuff was already BLACK. Rubbed some of that black fluid between the fingers and lt wasn't slick like trans fluid should be, it was more like water so he's gonna be changing it out every 40k miles now.
You should try amsoil atf, you will never go back to valvoline
I have to explain this exact thing to customers all the time. I feel like a broken record. Thanks, I think everyone should here this.
Send your customers link to this video, and save yourself time.
Adding a transmission Cooler also helps. I added one on my rebuilt automatic Transmission in my Sedan along with Full Synthetic oil. I drain and fill every 40,000k
"Lifetime fill" on my lexus gs350. Same trans as previous years (supposed to be changed 60k). I changed fluid via dealer under my OWN recommendation (service writer agreed "under the table" and informed me the trans is the same as previous years). What does that say? I am a Lexus loyal customer because of my service writer, and my own gut knowledge. This guy speaks some truth
I read that the number one cause of automatic transmission failure is from lack of maintenance. I don't believe in any transmission fluid lasting for a "lifetime". Synthetic trans fluid is super high quality but still needs to be changed eventually. I think people just need to use some common sense when maintaining their vehicles and if something doesn't seem right to you, (like lifetime fluid in a automatic transmission), get the fluid changed for peace of mind.
The problem is they get rid of the dip stick so it's a pain in the ass
I drained and filled my A340e twice with my shop's synthetic valvoline ATF. Made a world of a difference. Shifting into reverse or drive doesn't jerk the whole truck anymore. I should do this a few more times. I drain it into a measuring mug and fill another mug with the exact amount I drained out.
l've always had fantastic results with the Valvoline MaxLife ATF. ln every case where l have used it instead of the OEM trans fluid it has always outperformed the OEM fluid and at half the cost. Valvoline MaxLife is one of the few ATF's that you can even use in a Honda and even in that case, it does better than the OEM Honda fluid.
Ford claims that the transmission fluid should be changed at 150,000 miles. I believe the world is flat and the earth is the center of the universe. I actually have flushed my transmission three times and now my car has 218,000 miles.
It says 150,000 miles for the first change. Then after that it's 50,000 miles. Obviously it's bull shit. They're all the same. Even the most worshiped company, Toyota. Same shit. Change your fluid every 30-40K miles.
@@bmw803 toyota and all other Japanese cars have very small filters is why you drain and full then twice as much. But they make it so easy to do, it's just like doing an oil change.
Just did mine in my 2018 Transit cargo and my fluid was just as bad as yours. It isn't abused but definitely more than normal use. With my tool bin and tools it weighs around 8000LB. So far the 3.7 has been a champ bit tranny has been acting funny. Now I know why. I will do a fluid change every 1000 miles until the fluid looks like it should
the fact is most people do not service their vehicle when they should until they have a problem, I have been in the transmission industry for 38 years and I have seen this first hand, in an automatic transmission the torque converter creates most of the heat in the transmission and yes you should change the trans fluid every 20 to 30k if you are planning on keeping the vehicle for a long time.
John Smith what are your thoughts on a flush vs a drain and fill? The filter isn’t accessible unless u split the case
chase worley flushing is a waste of time and money and all so can damage some transmissions such as Honda’s , a drain and refill will suffice you will just have to do a service every 15k instead of 30k.
“Lifetime Transmission Oil” that car manufacturer claim for transmissions/differentials etc are always bogus. The manufacturer, zF, is one of the largest makers of transmissions world wide, their transmissions are also used by Audi, VW, BMW, Mercedes & RollsRoyce. Having owned BMWs with zF transmissions, which BMW at one time made the same claim of lifetime transmission oil was contradicted by zF which recommended regular transmission oil changes. Good to see the mantra of regular maintenance is the key to longevity and reduced frequency (& cost) of vehicle repairs.
Sir, you make very good sense!
I appreciate that!
people should follow Severe Schedule Maintenance. For example, in 2014.5 Camry Owner's manual says to change the trans. fluid every 50,000 miles.
1953 Corvette automatic suggests drain fill in the driver's handbook. My 67 Oldsmobile suggests the same.
On my 2002 Yaris (UK) It say's to inspect at 27.000 miles for Normal and Severe driving,then at 54.000 miles to inspect for normal driving and REPLACE a 54.000 miles for Severe driving,every 36 months inspect and replace every 72 months.I did mine at about 82k (Miles) and it was dirty.
My car has a drain plug for the transmission. So I do a drain and fill of 5 quarts every 2 years. My van I have to suck the fluid out of the dipstick tube. But I'm able to pull about 4 quarts every 2 years. 16 years and counting with no trouble and always a clear pink fluid color.
good video brother! Redline is what I use in my Dual Clutch transmission
This is normal for mercon lv. It’s definitely not a life long fluid but it’s character of the fluid
These 6R80s do seem the make the fluid dark quicker than average. It has a reputation of being a very dependable transmission. But why wouldn't Ford put a drain plug and dip stick on it!
Cost savings when you don’t have to install dipstick during assembly and fill up with fluid. It’s already prefilled and attached to the engine and easy to install during assembly process.
Also, ford is not interested in you keeping your vehicle past warranty or to be working on it yourself
Every 40k = drain and fill with amsoil signature series atf
40k is a good interval even for conventional trans fluid
@@kaulincurtis9665 i have the customer amsoil membership for $20/year. The signature series atf costs me less than oem Toyota ws.
@@Phil-D83 that's a good way to go. It doesn't get any better than amsoil when it comes to automotive lubricants.
Membership cost less if you are on Auto renew.
Thanks for the info. New subscriber great info. Will check out the rest of your channel. Thanks much. Just ordered fluid for my Hondas prior to watching this video. Yes I'll drain and change 3quts at a time.👍 I use only Honda fluids in my Honda vehicles
Thank you for commenting and subscribing.
At min 50k if you don’t work the truck, 30k if you do. My 06 Cummins was perfect at 140k when I sold it, changed it 4 times, my 2011 Ford was another story , no matter what I did or they fixed it was a pos transmission
Keep in mind that you may need to use several bottles of new fluid in order to get out as much of the bad fluid as possible, i.e. drain, then refill and drive, then drain, drive again, and repeat. Reason being, you will not get all the fluid out when you do the initial drain....some will be in other parts of the transmission still and will need to be circulated again. Several cycles of drain/drive will be needed before you see the fluid looking like new.....
Or just do a flush
@@georgeblank2648 may cause more problems then its worth, especially if the fluid has been left a long time.
I've done my 2011 Expedition 6R80 fluid change twice. Now at 155k it needs it again but I'll be taking it somewhere since it's a pain to refill with the catalytic converter in the way. You have to run the vehicle for a while to open up the thermal valve to allow all the 7.5 qts to go in as you can only get about 4 qts in at cold.
Who told you about thermal valve? It’s false information
I just changed my fluid and filter, 2017 F-150, 5.0, has 39,000 miles on it. The fluid was starting to get discolored, I went with Valvoline full synthetic Mercon/LV fluid and Motorcraft filter, we’ll see how it goes. I trust Valvoline products.
Did your F-150 have plastic transmission pan and no drain plug?
No it had steel pan and no drain plug.
How did the valvoline synthetic end up working. Did it still shift normal?
Zx9green yes everything has been good so far, shifts fine. Truck now has 65,000 miles on it.
You should make a video of transmission fluid drain and fill on the tundra
On my list to do.
"lifetime" means oil lifetime, which is 3~40K miles
Good video lot of good info.thank you.
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My 2009 f150 has 256k miles and slips and shifts rough 1st thing in morning then is fine rest of day. I've only had a few months and don't know service history. Some people have said don't change fluid and filter because new fluid detergents will release debris and transmission will fail soon after. What's your recommendation.
What color is the fluid?
OK so I stopped this at 12:28 to comment. Doing a transmission flush does not guarantee that the entire volume of fluid will be replaced. It will guarantee that the majority will be replaced. More so the reason to repeat the flush within a specified mileage!!!
Also keep in mind that the transmission filter must be replaced at least (I'd say) 80K to 120K. It doesn't help to change fluids when you may also have a plugging/restricted filter.
For my benefit, I buy the best possible fluids I can find at no matter the cost. The engine and transmission is the heart and driving force of the car. Without them, the car is nothing but a paperweight! Chrome wheels, glass mirror paint and mega sound system are all only cosmetic niceness but do absolutely nothing to keep you driving!
AS a last note: I do my own work. I do three transmission drain(s) and refill with 100 Klm in between.
I change my transmission fluid on my 2012 Honda Civic and the mileage was 92k mile ( first time change) now my car has 152k mile with 0 Issues
We want to hear about the manual transmission you drive👍🏼
Get REDLINE or AMSOIL for manuals.
Never trusted the manufacture... What do you think it would be like with city driving? I always change mine every 30-40k miles.
Spot on mate
Awesome video thank you. Was worried, I had fluid changed at 120k and approaching 150k soon. Curious what would cause limpmode after having a shop do this service on my 09 F150? Also is it common for these to be low on fluid after the shop performs drain and fill? Thank you for sharing.
How do you know they did drain and fill not just flush using machine? I never head of limp mode after drain and fill. However, I heard all kind of stories including failed transmissions after flush was performed.
Few things can cause limp mode.
Overfilling
Under filling
Wrong type of fluid used
I do not understand why the shelf life of atf is less than 5 years. There would be no oxidation or dilution issues in a sealed container so I would be very surprised if there was any degradation in 10 years...
Do some research, it's a chemistry.
Change oil and filter every 3k miles with synthetic oil. Dump and fill transmission fluid with oil change. Both look clean and exactly like the stuff that I'm putting in new. Cheap insurance with minimal effort.
Great video! When servicing CVT, is it best to go to the dealership or can you trust a local lube shop?
If the local lube shop is knowledgeable about the CVT transmission service then it's safe to trust. There's a lot of shops that don't know how to properly change transmission fluid, because they don't have access to factory service manual and still have the old mentality of the old days how transmission were serviced. Most of the transmission today don't have dipstick and it requires to have access to the OEM service manual in order to perform correct fluid replacement.
Just because someone takes to the dealer it doesn't mean it's going to be done correctly. They have lube guys that are mostly straight from the high school without any previous background in Auto maintenance or education, and they are doing Oil changes and transmission fluid changes. It cost dealer too much money to have certified mechanic doing lube work.
The fluid change here I would expect made the transmission start slipping
No slipping, it actually shift better.
What is transmission start leak rear of pan gasket after 106,000 trans flush by the dealership ford. Now my transmission is leaking at 165,600 miles. Need to change it. I had no issues while driving. My ford f150 09 4.6L 4R80 and dealer says 12 quarts to fill up, he gave me 10 quarts with new gasket filter without trans flush. What needs to be done.
Why did it started to leak after flush? Did dealer stripped rear pan bolts?
@@repairvehicle I really don't know. They work on the flush and charge me $350 and I never had problems since then.
How long ago flush was performed? If it's not long they should fix the leak under their labor warranty free of charge to you
@@repairvehicle I have taken to truck to shop over the weekend and they did the transmission flush before I did the fluid change. So instead took it to shop and they did transmission flush and fill up 8 quarts of fluid, and later I refill 4 quarts after engine shut off. And since then, I never had transmission issues or leak. I had the invoice for the service but It must be in drawer. Every service I have for inspection, I always keep the parts and invoice.
Any comment about the leak or just leave it alone, or just change it myself or have it done by the dealership service again to check if transmission pan bolt is stripped.
Ford might have lawsuits in the future when peoples’ 6r80 transmissions starts failing at 150,000 miles.
Ford does not care about future. Anything after warranty expires will be considered owners fault, because failure happened after warranty expired.
repairvehicle At 60,000 miles on my F-150 2.7 ecoboost I decided I wanted to change the transmission fluid and filter. I went to the ford dealership and asked them if they could do it. They looked at me like I was crazy and told me the fluid is good for 150,000. But I insisted I wanted it done anyway and they said it was going to cost me 500 bucks just to do a pan drop. I ended up changing the fluid myself and saw the old fluid was dark black with just 60,000 miles with no towing or hauling. The Hayes repair manual states that the fluid should be changed every 30,000 miles which comes to show that ford is just pushing this planned obsolescence with their products.
@@austinschroeder2568 , dealership will make more money by replacing transmission vs fluid replacement. I had very similar experience with my Toyota. When Toyota switched transmission to dipstick free and I took it to the dealer for transmission fluid change they told me it's for life. Then give me lifetime warranty on transmission, no we don't give lifetime warranty and we don't change fluid. I was first RUclipsr to do transmission fluid change on Toyota with dipstick free transmission and after that Toyota dealerships across country started performing transmission fluid replacement. If the fluid is good for 150k miles, then Ford should give warranty on transmission for 150k miles. But they would not because they know the fluid is junk after 30k miles.
I have F150 raptor 2014 at 80000 mile now . Should I do my first transmission fluid change or not ?
Yes, and use RP atf that's what I use 140,000 and still smooth as silk and I have a 13 150 with 5.0
@@williamschuman4951 sorry but what's RP
I changed my fluid before I got Lab results. Change your ATF fluid if you want trouble free transmission.
@@khalidalzahrani3648 royal purple
Absolutely, yes!
I need your opinion on 2015 and above mustang with the 6r80 Ford put the trans cooler behind the a/c condenser. In front of the radiator
With very little space between so the the Trans oil doesn’t cool, especially if you use the a/c. With the a/c on I see the the trans temp go up
To 220-230 degrees. Why didn’t they put the cooler in front of the a/c condenser to maximize cooling to me it doesn’t make sense with its present
Location. I’d like to here other opinions on cooling the oil with the location of the cooler. Thanks
Normally oem transmission cooler installed on the same level as AC condenser, before radiator. Installing transmission cooler behind condenser makes no sense because high from condenser keeps transmission cooler hot all the times in warmer weather. Having cooler in front of condenser minimizes condenser abilities to keep ac working properly.
I have installed transmission cooler in front of condenser on my suv, but my suv has 2 cooling fans, mechanical and electrical, impact on condenser cooling very minimal if any.
@@repairvehicle Ford installs the trans cooler behind the a/c condenser on Mustang GT I totally agree with you that the best place is in front of the condenser. I guess Ford what’s the trans oil to get up too 200-230 degrees. To me that’s too hot I’d prefer it to be between 170-190 max.
230 is definitely to high and at temperature internal components life gets shorter and shorter. Make sure you to change your atf fluid every 30k miles otherwise transmission problems no avoidable.
@@repairvehicle you bet I will maybe sooner like you say oil is cheap insurance to prolong the life of an expensive trans.
I have a 2015 Ford F-150 and has 60k miles on it. Is it ok to fill amsoil atf to my transmission without flushing the old atf. Thanks
Yes it is okay. Here's the link www.amsoil.com/lookup/auto-and-light-truck/2015/ford-trucks/f150-pickup/5-0l-8-cyl-engine-code-f-f-flex/us-volume/?zo=5257753
repairvehicle thanks so much
What about a 2016 Corolla with a CVT at 33k?
Yes, even sooner. Make sure to use quality ATF fluid.
Lifetime fluid...
Theres never no such thing for motor or tranny by any manufacturer
What is your opinion of the Ravenol Synthetic Toyota WS ATF?
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its revenol ws, not toyota WS
how do you put the trany fluid back in 2012 Nissan versa and check the level cvt
@Hagbard Celine Nissan versa has no easy
Good video. Only if people would listen to you.
I do my 6r80 every 30k
Good for life until it breaks and they tell you that you need a new one, horrible! 2006 Toyota Corolla.
I do mine every 10,000 miles
Nissan versa 2012 how do you change trany fluid
Easy. The transmission has a drain plug on it, unlike many vehicles. I don't think it has a "filter" per se. I believe it has a metal screen. I drained mine at 30,000 and 60,000 and the old stuff looked good, but there was still a noticible difference
in the fluid and when I drained the factory fluid and replaced there was a noticeable difference in shifting. I did my daughter's Hyundai Accent at 30,000 and it came out looking like mud. Don't forget to shift thru all the gears after you change the fluid. I forgot to last time I changed fluid. Thought I had it full, drove around the block,checked it again and it was not even close.
It's nice when you have drain plug.
Isn't that the truth! A lot less messy too!
I stand corrected. looked up on a parts store sight and it appears the Versa has a replaceable transmission filter!
@@delbertcody9154 is the versa transmission CVT or 4-speed automatic?
Motorcraft lv fluid turns black it's how it's designed
Your point?
use amsoil :)
Switched to Amsoil already after the results.
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I have 180k miles on my 1999 VW Passat v6 original transmist fluid and has never been changed.
Are you the original owner?
Is your transmission automatic?
If you're driving like a race car I recommended change transmission fluid every week
Change it with the engine oil change
I would recommend you stay with the manufactures fluid when it comes to transmissions
Factory ATF fluid is low quality product. I have ton of comments from people who switched to Amsoil ATF from factory. Many people regret using factory fluid after trying Amsoil ATF. My vehicles transmissions shifts better with Amsoil ATF vs factory fluid.