I don't think that Hitler's delusions in the bunker came at any surprise. After all, he was part of the German military that believed that they were betrayed at the end of WWI. There are too many similarities in the ends of both wars to really expect Hitler to have behaved any differently.
The memes that came from this scene made it legendary, but actually understanding the context from the film just shows the performance Bruno Ganz did when playing as Hitler
Him not getting an Oscar made it visible to me how much of a shitfest the Oscars are. I mean, i like Sean Penn, I don't generally like Bruno Ganz, and I most certainly don't "enjoy" the fault of my grandparents on screen, but Ganz simply nailed one of the mosz difficult rimes in line ever, and should have gotten an Oscar for it (does anycone even remember "Mystic River"?).
@@obsessivecatdisordersquad7577 😀😀😀 One of late 90's sarcastic TV sketches in my country featured a prisoner held in the Gestapo and a Gestapo officer. The officer told him to wash his clothes from blood stains endured during interrogation. The prisoner: I won't be able to wash this on 40°C The Gestapo man: That's why we wash on 1940°C😀
Not without merit, _Bruno Ganz_ was bearing the _Iffland-Ring,_ a rather peculiar "award" for the _most important and worthy (male) stage performer of German speaking theater._ It is an actual, diamond-studded iron ring, with the image of actor _August Wilhelm Iffland_ (1759-1814). One of (probably several of) those rings was originally owned by actor _Ludwig Devrient._ His nephew, actor _Emil Devrient,_ inherited the ring, but didn't bequeath it down in the family (likely due to family disputes) but to actor _Theodor Döring_ upon his death in 1872 - at this point, it was not meant as a quasi-institutionalised award. Despite for some reason being transferred from actor to actor, the actual tradition for the current bearer to bequeath it to the one _most worthy_ performer, and with it the award-like character, was likely introduced by actor _Friedrich Haase,_ who included a letter with the supposed legend of the ring and stipulated the method of tranfer in his last will. He died in 1911, and since then this is the formal way this distinction is granted. There is no jury, no selection process or anything - the current bearer literally bequeathes the honor to the person most worthy in his own opinion. The current bearer since Ganz died in 2019 is German actor _Jens Harzer,_ born 1972. Interestingly, despite the actual honor to _bear_ the ring is bequeathed by the current bearer by testament, the ring is in fact an _earmarked asset of the Republic of Austria_ since 1954. The Republic of Austria also endowed an equivalent for female actors, the _Alma-Seidler-Ring,_ in 1978, with the exact same tradition of transfer. It is named after actress Alma Seidler, who according to the widow of Iffland-Ring bearer Werner Krauß would have inherited it if the tradition wouldn't disallow women.
I've seen that memed a lot...about 12-13 years ago. My boss at the time sent it to us with the subtitles being on Agile software development being implemented wrong. It's great to have more context like this.
The first ever movie parody I saw on this scene was in about 2007-8 about Hitler freaking out why he moved on to vista and not stayed on XP like Stalin. As I just bought a new laptop with Vista, I deeply felt that video. And I think it's still one of the best ever made. To perfectly understand what went on during these final war meetings, I deeply suggest reading Cornelius Ryan's book "The Last Battle". It coveres this + also the events on the side of the Allies. Great book. I read it just some time before Downfall came, so I can say that this scene is a merger of more together, since obviously they couldn't take all the time of the cinemas to reproduce them 100% accurately.
The eldest of the Goebells children, 12 year old Helga, was found with bruises around her mouth. It was suggested that she woke up and fought against being fed the cyanide by her parents
That's even more heartbreaking than just knowing they killed their own children. Knowing there's a possibility that she fought against them is more terrible than words can convey.
It's also mentioned in some witness accounts that they believed Helga was the only child who had a good understanding of what was happening, and not just at the time of poisoning. That said, Himmler's daughter grew up to be a strong neo-Nazi advocate, so Marta may have done the world a favor, as brutal as that may be.
@@douggetchess4732 yes but the vast majority of the children of children didn’t or even became advocates against neonazism plus she had an older son named Harald who survived the war and lived a quiet and peaceful life.
The hand tremor was something he tried to keep hidden from people around him (why he walked with that hand behind his back often) and it’s speculated that he may have had Parkinson’s, but we can’t know for sure now.
Or the man was demonized to the point of Satan by the Allied Still remember the Hitler is g*y, hitler have 1 ball nonsense, the whole myths I hate it, we may never knew which is the truth and which isn't
He lost most use of his left arm, during the "Walkure" assasination attempt. The resulting painkiller addiction would not have helped his mental balance.
@@dannydevito7000 yes he is an evil man no doubt about it But it is ok to make up nonsense that could screw up future attempt to study about it so people knew how to learn from the pass So if it is good to lies about evil person, it is perfectly fine to lies about people who oppose you? Isn't it the exact same way the Nazis came to power? Lies
@@dannydevito7000 i want to know who Hitler really is, like how he becoming such evil, how his behaviour and life style could impact his invention of the deadly ideology But nonsense like one ball hitler or hitler is gay or f*cking his relatives or what ever make up shit could impact the truth
The actor, Bruno Ganz, believed that Hitler suffered from Parkinson's Disease because of his drug abuse. That's why his hand is constantly shaking in the movie.
I remember seeing a small clip of Hitler greeting some kids outside the bunker (some time before 'Der Untergang' took place). In the clip, one of Hitler's hands were visible shaking.
He had something. He would characteristically hide his left hand behind his back. In his increasing paranoia he fired a couple of his personal physicians and might have been in any stage of amphetamine withdrawal.
@@oron61 he didn’t took it according to his medical records. He took Penadren which is testosterone but was often shorten in documents which lead to the confusion with Pervitin(meth).
Hitler's reaction to losing 1 soldier: Anger Hitler's reaction to losing 10 soldiers: Anger Hitler's reaction to losing Northern France: Meh Hitler's reaction to losing Italy: INVADE THEM Hitler's reaction to losing His Sanity: Insanity Hitler's reaction to losing battles against the Soviets: We can still win Hitler's reaction to losing a war: Death
The SS had several non-german units, mostly comprised of harsh anti-communists, who thought it was a good idea to join the war on Germans side when Germany invaded Russia.
@@anathardayaldar There's that, and in other cases, or maybe in combination with not having a home to return to, many also hated Communists with a passion.and probably felt that dying fighting communists was a good way to die. And it's not likely they would have been allowed to surrender by the Soviet troops anyway and if they were, they probably would have been shot once they saw that they were Waffen SS.
It's strange to say that as a German. But that was the best Adolf Hitler so far. The film takes me with it. They actually tried to stick to the original as much as possible, through eyewitness reports and diaries.
You should never forget the name of the actor who plays Hitler, Bruno Ganz of Switzerland. He was simply the most renown and respected actor of all German speaking countries, and as such wore the famous Iffland ring, always given to the best living German speaking actor. He was as famous and important as Tom Hanks, Ben Kinsley, Robert Redford, Dustin Hoffman are combined for anglophone actors.
Das liegt aber an Dir und deinem kulturellen Level, man sollte schon wissen wer der vorletzte Träger des Iffland-Ringes war - das gehört zur Allgemeinbildung. Die Bedeutung eines Schauspielers liegt halt nicht nur in profanem Kino- und Fernseherfolg, es gibt da noch mehr! Seems your cultural level is pretty limited or you would just know that he was the bearer of the Ifflandring - stardom is not only measured by profane movie box office success and TV- or streaming series @@lukasb2790
Ahhhh, Kommentare vom kulturellen Bodensatz.... peinlich Rumschreien das man ungebildet ist.... aber wenn jemand schon Schweine als Umgang hat und als Referenz nennt... 🤣😂🤣 @@BrianEscobar26
The scene has been memed time and time again but on its own I believe downfall is one of the greatest war history films that's ever been made. Every actor played their part brilliantly almost like they were the people they were acting as.
5:00 Its even proved that Soldiers from the Spanish blue Legion took part in the last fights for Berlin and also Scandinavian Waffen SS Units...its insane
@@TrashskillsRS The Blue Division had been disbanded in 1943. Those who wanted to keep on fighting were assigned to the SS Wallonien were known as "Blue Legion".
@@helmutkok7833 Denmark was invaded and annexed but was never really an Allied nation. The resistance movements are what got in contact with the Allies. There were recruiting centers for Danes into the Waffen-SS legions and there were even a Danish lead company within the German army that invaded the USSR, they were issued German uniforms yes but had a Danish insignia on it. One of the leaders of the Danish Armed Forces (and very aligned with nationalistic anti-communism) died near Kharkov and had a full military funeral in Denmark. Most of the executed resistance members would also get a full honourary parade and burial after the war.
This is awesome timing because I just re-watched Downfall last night! I've resumed German lessons this year to help me study World War history more in-depth.
5:12 Dutch and Luxembourgers were also drafted into the German army and fought and died for the Germans. 8:00 Bruno Ganz played Hitler. 9:17 Miracle weapons: the first Intercontinental missile V2 and the first prototype jet fighters. The V2 was in use; there were only a handful of jets available. Germany had given up testing the atomic bomb because too little material had been used. 10:30 Goebel's wife's first marriage was to a man named Quant. This was the Quant who made a large inheritance and later used it to rebuild BMW. Around 1990, Hitler's teeth became known to the public. It was hidden in Soviet archives. Hitler had bad teeth and had a complex bridge with artificial teeth installed during his lifetime. This is the only thing left of him. Hitler's breeding house in Austria was demolished because Nazis gathered there after WW2.
the casting for the scene is awesome too. if you know the german generals of the time well, you recognize them all before they are called by their name
The two biggest names of people who were in that room that were tried were Keitel, and Jodl both were executed. Bormann was technically tried and sentenced to death. However it was revealed that he had died prior to the trial.
What that channel is doing, now under the channel name World War 2 is a "real time" history of that war. Every week a new episode outlines the main events of the week all over the world. Getting the info on the same timeframe is great. You get a real sense of how big and long and relentlessly destructive and murderous it was. Last year covered 1942 and we're now in Jan 1943. They salt it with specials side-videos on various "off-timeline" topics that might focus on particular weapons, or a finer grained minute-by minute walk through a particular event like Pearl Harbor which they'll wedge into the appropriate dates in their timeline.. They're doing a similar one on the D-day landings and I'm not sure if the 16 days of Berlin is still on the docket. Two other parallel special series are part of it. One on spies and espionage called "Spies and Ties" and one on The Holocaust and Axis war crimes of genocide and enslavement called "War Against Humanity". I don't know how they keep up with it frankly.
Actually, the Great War channel is still going strong with new host Jesse and less frequent but more in depth content. 16 Days in Berlin was completed and they're putting out a Frano-Prussian War series right now. WW2 in Real Time is a different enterprise with Indy. They're both worth supporting.
Traudl Junge would join the BBC WW2 documentary "World at War" in 1974, where she was interviewed about the final days in Berlin. In the early 90's she would write a memoir book and do an interview. An interview in the early 2000's was showcased in the movie Downfall. Her story is the central part, but they used real footage and accounts of others in Berlin and from the Soviets. The findings of the children in their beds by the Soviets is how we know they died like that, there is a whole memoir from a nurse who was sent into the bunker after they found the first guys who had shot themselves, and then they open the door to the room to discover... that.
You know, it might be controversial, but i support Steiner's decision to not field the Nazi-Zombie Troopers equipped with the alien death-beams, carrying the Spear of Longinus and the Ark of Covenant. That project just wasn't ready, could have made things worse...
Very Interesting Video! I have a few things to add to Joseph Goebbels: So first, they killed their children in the believe, a life without naziism wouldnt be consider a worthfull life. Im from the Hometown of goebbels where he was born. He was also honored citizen here, till the end of the war, then it was removed. Also because it was the homecity of goebbels, it was the reason why the allies bombed the citie to the ground despite having no huge military or industrial traget. My grandmother told me a few storys, she was born in 1928 and got throu hole nazi school system. She always said to me that back then it were other times and school was diffrent, as young boy i just thought like yeah they were prob just more strict back then, boy i had no clue what she probably has gone trjought and still i dont know, i was to young to ask and sadly she passed away before i could adress question i later had when i started understanding and learning things.
I studied in Berlin and lived in the eastern parts of the city. I regularly drove my bicicle through Mahlsdorf and Karlshorst. In my head every time I saw the signs saying Karlshorst or Mahlsdorf all I could think of was this meme and Krebs talking about the situation :D 5:25
As you stated being a history buff I am amazed at the idea that you would contemplate the notion that Hitlers “shaking hands” be nothing more than a dramatic touch, as it’s common knowledge Hitler suffered from Parkinson’s desease. Something visible I. The very last filmed outing Hitler had where, as he pinched the cheek of a Hitler youth, has his hand behind his back which showed the typical “tremors”.
You shouldn't forget, he's still an American,, and Americans are only interested in Americans, and the winners write the story, which doesn't always have to be correct or which was sometimes presented in a very distorted way or a lot was left out.
10:13 Wilhelm Keitel is one who bears specific mention. Behind his back he was called "Lakeitel" which is play on his name and german word "lakai" for "lackey" or "manservant". If I remember right, Hitler one time told to general Gerd Von Runsted (who infact was pretty capable general in himself) that Keitel has an intellect and talents of what you'd expect from movie usher, but he's loyal as dog and that's only reason keep him around. He such a grey spot on other members radar that they barely gave his existence a second thought. 13:40 Alfred Jodl and Wilhelm Keitel were convicted and hanged, thought Jodl was posthumously pardoned....and then had his pardon revoked few years later due to pressure laid from united states.
The movie is based off the testimonials of many people. Each scene will show a radio man, secretary, etc in the background look at the speakers. That character is who that scene is taken from.
the british chant comes into mind every time i see each one of them in the scene together “Hitler, has only got one ball! goering, has two but very small! himmler, has something similar! and poor old gobbels has no balls at all” 😂
Ah yeah, Der Undergang is so an iconic movie. Also check the movies Das Boot from 1981 and Die Brücke from 1959. There are many movies I can give you, that tells untold or forgotten stories P.S. the reason for the hand shaking is due to Parkinson, that was believed to appear after the assassination attempt on Hitler
So what people din't realize is that Downfall was a great movie and the entire scene was done very well and there's some points I wanna add into it. The Waffen SS is known to be the elite of most elite troops in the German military system that had even more rigorous acceptance criteria for their ranks against the normal Wehrmacht. Despite initially only having pure Aryan bloodlines being able to be in the Waffen SS, along the way, they found that they needed more and more men to be able to fight their wars effectively and soon, the SS laxed their enrollment system which soon allowed people from other nation to volunteer into the SS divisions. So on top of the famous German divisions like Das Reich, Totenkopf, Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler, SS Hitlerjugend and various other divisions, you'll also see oversea volunteers that formed SS divisions like the SS Wiking, Nord, Wallonien (Belgium), Nederland (Netherlands/Dutch), Huyandi & Hungaria (Hungary obviously), Charlemagne (French), Handschar and Kama (Croatians) and various other divisions comprised of Belorussians, Soviet defectors and Albanians. Also, the reason why they portrayed Hitler's hands to be shaking so violently was because during the end of the war or in fact early on even as early as 1943, Hitler was diagnosed with Parkinsons and thus his motor functions were down and it was even more prevalent in 1944. The situation did not help either with constant war reports coming back from the east being disastrous and the west being split open now after D-Day on top of the meth he's been downing for the past decades. That's why during the final few months in the Reichsbunker, he was trembling more and more and his hand was shaking ever so violently. So with that rank Hitler had with the purges and all and how he called his officers incompetent and what-not WAS his true feelings all along. It isn't unknown knowledge that deep down since the days he got the Chancellor seat and became the furher, he had never liked most of the generals that he had as he had always had a deep seated hatred to the Prussian aristocracy who at that point were almost 90% of the Wehrmacht's general staff. Hitler would often show disdain to them but as he knew that these aristocrats were a thorn on his back, he too, at that point, was smart enough to realize that for his ambitions to work, he needed these jaded and experienced generals to help him pave the way to success and, they did. Not only that, he was pretty lucky too as these generals, despite not liking Hitler themselves too mostly, needed the job as they've no skills left on the outside world and with the economy at a shambles during the Great Depression, they needed the job and with Hitler needing them, they needed Hitler's leniency for their jobs too so whatever target Hitler points to them, they'll do it but most of them never showed allegiance to the Nazi party nor Hitler himself at all. People like von Rundstedt, Guderian (He did it to only save his skin but he wasn't a hardliner of Nazism), von Bock, von Leeb (Yes... He too wasn't a ardent Nazi supporter but got close to Hitler and starter of Barbarossa itself), von Kluge and many other generals were all not fond of Hitler nor the Nazi party in general but because they needed the job and Hitler needs them, they continued serving. That being said, Hitler had always been trying to get them off and in 1938, he indeed tried to but many did not get purged fortunately. Also, many of these old-timers actually find Hitler to be rather impeding in their decision makings on the field and one of those big shots that voiced this out constantly was none other than von Manstein during his entire time in the Eastern Front.
Hold up just so you know Estonian, Dutch, and French SS divisions were allowed from the start because they were considered Aryan peoples or Germanic. The Croatians were also considered descdents of Germanic peoples, which the Croatian High Command attempted to argue all the time. When they became desperate is when they started letting Ukranians, Russians, Italians, Bulgarians, Bohemians, Slovaks, and Indians join. Though Dutch, Northern French, Estonians, Swedes, Norwegians, Danes, Hungarians, and a few other countries were allowed to join before or right when they were occupied. Either because they were considered descdents of Aryan Peoples, or they had large Germanic populations
"Himmler simps where you at" Wait people actually simp for that wimpy looking creepy psychopath? I mean yeah if we're talking The New Order: Last Days of Europe mod fans.
I HIGHLY recommend the channel "History Buffs" where they analyze historical movies and point out all thats right and wrong with the depiction of the story and era. gave me a better appreciation for the movies with those historical details
Wilhelm Keitel was at Nuremberg and got the death sentence, IIRC he was the only one at the main trial to admit some form of guilt, though only in a minor way and he tried the defense many would try "I was just following orders". (Some germans called him "Lakeitel" a play on the work "Lakai" - lackey, because he would always do as told by Hitler and be loyal to the end) Alfred Jodl also was part of the trial and also got hanged. The court made it a point to hang those two and refuse the request for a firing squad, as that would have implied some sort of military honor. Krebs and Burgdorf kílled themselves, just like Goebbels and Bormann tried to break out of the city and disappeared. His remains were found in 1972 during some construction works in Berlin. His dentist identifiying them. It is thought that he commited suicide to avoid capture, as the remains of a glas capsule were found in his mouth.
@@powersell8589 forgive me, but are you being serious or is this a use of sarcasm? I have a difficult time distinguishing sarcasm and completely serious response.
@@imperatormaximus8952 Speer did admit guilt at Nuremberg. When I first read Speer's memoir, I was naive enough to take his regret at face value. It was only after I saw other commentary - including some of the prosecuters - that I realized it also served to save his neck from the noose. Speer threw everyone else under the bus - especially Sauckel - in order to save himself.
Rest In Peace, Herr Ganz! The actor who played Hitler in Downfall was Bruno Ganz, who also played in Luther beside Joseph Fiennes as his mentor in the Augustinian Order. Goebbels was a total basket case, but that doesn't diminish the level of crazy that was Hermann Göring or Joseph Mengele
Hi, I am historian and teacher myself, so there are things I might add: the actual downfall and end of the eastern front started when the southern part of the eastern front in Romania broke down, it had been the case that the romanian army though the leadership was sturdy pro german had lost any wish to fight, so the frontlines where overrun and then there was the last pre goverment change pre communist era in romania, this led to the case that a south eastern europe was completely open for the soviets to enter, at the same time within the yugoslavian uprising local communist fighter under the later marshal Tito became so strong they could kick the wehrmacht out of the region. While from Berlin the strict order was do not retreat and fight until the last cartridge - which has become impossible - due to that losses and the quick move of troops from other parts of the eastern front it had destabilised as a hole, this is when the red army gained so much momentum. While the fight in Italy was for most of the time a stalemate - it is a fact that when the d-day occured some elite division, and these much to late had been ordered from east to west, all on reichschancelleries direct orders. Some units only existed by name, or did not have the equipment or tanks left as intent. You correctly mentioned that H. was sourrounded by people who were ass kissers or yesmen some information was actively held back from him, especially losses and negative ones. This led to the situation, that due to lack of or incorrect informations ghost-armies and divisions where ordered to move - some of them decimated to only some hundred or even a handful of soldiers, others overrun and captured. H. knew basically that this was the case, at least he was suspicious of that. Outboursts in anger, and probably caused by desparation as well - were the logical reaction. As when someone tells that whole divisions or battlegroups are not able to fight anymore. H. considered many high ranking officers as defetists and incapable as well. But lastly the commanders in the east were confronted with 1-2 million german and pro german civilians which were refugees by this time - some tried to hold position rather than to retreat to hold open the roads for them - roads that were full of civillians heading west. The remaining troops at the eastern front by then where thinned out so much that when the red army made it's breakthrough in the north the german eastern front was split in half, where the northern part formed the so called kurland kessel - also to keep open the way for civilians over the kurische Nehrung a chain of coastal islands, then the prussian coast, nowadays poland to the west as well. Something under to loss of a lot of lives acutally worked. Nontheless hundreds of thousands of civilians got overrun and caught in the frontlines until overrun. The time the movie is set, the situation was already out of Berlins hands. The last serious attempt to stop the soviets was the battle of the Oder-Warthe Front, weeks before - where the soviets mostly won the battle to extensive usage of artillery, both self propelled and static, then attacking wwI style in human waves - this ultimately breaking the german defense lines. Some high ranking germans only saw a chance of a capitulation to the western powers, USA and Great Britain, (france as recently conquered was not considered by any means by german diplomacy then). This of course was refused. (even on the German side. - as defetism - and due to the ongoing propaganda for ultimate victory). This is the wider scale setting of the scene. Even though one could see a military breakdown and full defeat - there was a hope in germany of a political splitting - within the Allies - the theoretical (and unrealistic) plan was then to open the western front, move alll remaining troops to the east and with the western allies fight communism to the end. Ultimately when Berlin was taken the last german goverment under Grand Admiral Dönitz was based in Northwestern Coastal Town Flensburg, at wars end within the british sector until it's members were formally taken into Allied custody and imprisoned. One thing about H. personality was that he despised officers even he created and promoted countless - and even more after the Stauffenberg conspiration, also known as operation Walküre, where a big number of high ranking officers were included, and even more in silent agreement - a reason to feel sorrounded literally by "traitors" - H. was out of his WWI experience always siding with simple soldiers. - One other effect this is why H. strictly forbade the usage of gas shells and gas warfare - though the germans held thousands of tons ready for use - Only imagine if it had been used in coastal defense at d-day it would have been devastating, and not even in the last ditch defense of berlin itself! There are always many more aspects as one might think at first.
I watched Downfall in full for the first time after seeing this scene many times. I did not expect the scene to be more towards the beginning of the film instead of the end. Hitler in the scene coming to the realization that WWII was lost on their end heavily implied to me that it was one of the movie's last scenes so I was shocked to see it very early on.
Regarding Goebbels, one of my favorite scenes in this movie is where Hitler is eating dinner with Generalfeldmarschall Robert Ritter von Greim and tells him that he is now in charge of the Luftwaffe and starts blowing smoke about the available aircraft, manpower, and capabilities. Von Greim is amazed at all this news thinking that they didn't have the resources available. The whole time Goebbels is sitting between the Hitler and Von Greim and you can just look at his face as he is trying to agree with the propaganda but he really knows that it's nowhere near as rosy of a situation as Hitler explains it to be.
3:40 Adding to that, there's two scenes that are worth mentioning. The 'Wenck wird kommen' scene, when Hitler is talking Unsinn again and Krebs and Weidling exchange glances of disbelief, and a scene about an attaché being enthusiastic about the V2 rockets turning the tide of the war, and Krebs or Keitel (both appeared there) replying that he couldn't talk on the matter due to it being top secret (actually to avoid saying that they were pretty much f'd at that point).
The main Nuremberg trial that we usually think of had as defendants: Robert Ley (suicided before the start of trial), Gustav Krupp von Bohlen und Halbach (excused due to physical and mental incapacity), Hjalmar Schacht (acquitted), Franz von Papen (acquitted), Hans Fritzsche (acquitted), Karl Dönitz (10 yrs), Baldur von Schirach (20 yrs), Albert Speer* (20 yrs), Konstantin von Neurath (20 yrs, released early for health), Rudolf Hess (life), Walther Funk (life, released for health), Erich Raeder (life, released for health), Hans Frank, Wilhelm Frick, Julius Streicher, Alfred Rosenberg, Ernst Kaltenbrunner, Joachim von Ribbentrop, Fritz Sauckel, Alfred Jodl*, Wilhelm Keitel*, and Arthur Seyss-Inquart (all hanged October 16, 1946), and Hermann Göring* (suicided under sentence of hanging). *Portrayed, if I remember correctly, in "Downfall".
Of the people in the room, Bormann killed himself, though he was sentenced to death in absentia at Nuremburg, his remains were found in 1972. Krebs killed himself as well and Jodl and Keitel were both sentenced to death at Nuremburg.
This one scene has been rendered ICONIC because of the internet "meme factory." Almost nobody would be at all aware that this movie ever happened in the first place, without RUclips, and others like it, taking this one "Hitler Rant Scene," and twisting the words to fit whatever commentary they wanted to fit.
Among others, my grandfather age 15 at the time was also send back by a commander stating that he will not be fighting with kids. Not in Berlin though but could have saved his life.
Yes you are correct. This movie is based on Traudl Junge's perspective. I watched full movie. At the begining of the movie you can see interview with old Traudl Junge (she died in 2002 RIP)
You make a good point about Hitler's ranting and raving, showing no sense of accountability . Prior to the war he blames the Jewish people, and at the end he blames his own Generals and advisors.
“We trade one villain for another.” Had to use a halo quote but if you think about it we did defeat the Nazis just to have the Soviets take control and the technology of the Germans. Sad.
Looks you don’t know about operation paper clip, which was a scramble from the US to get as many scientists and pieces of technology from Nazi germany after ww2.
@@edgynuke5007 You do realize both the Allies and communist Russia or USSR did that right, both not just the U.S. which turned Russia into an even more powerful threat that Germany.
@@bobafett1313 your comment implies that ONLY the Soviet Union took control of technology of the Germans. Both the US and USSR did. In fact the US was more of a threat to the USSR than the reverse since the US got most of the senior and experienced scientists that Nazi Germany had and the USSR got the leftovers.
@@edgynuke5007 Thank God we did get most of the scientists, listen I could care less what affiliation your with. If your pro communism good for you I don’t really care. My original comment still stands. My original comment I will admit wasn’t the way I wanted it to be I see a grammar issue in it and it’s 2 months old so I won’t fix it but my comment wasn’t wrong yes the U.S. took technology same as the Russians but my comment is true the Russians became a much graver threat to the Allies than the Nazis were. You can hate on America all you want for getting the scientists, (which the USSR also got scientists too you have to remember Germany was split in half between communism and capitalism) but they didn’t just get scraps. How do you think they grew in power so quickly after WW2 it wasn’t because of Russian scientists or leadership.
@@bobafett1313 All I’m saying is don’t criticize one side for doing something that the other side also did to a much greater extent than the side you’re criticizing. It’s like criticizing the US for nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki while conveniently forgetting what the Japanese were doing in China or Korea.
I saw this movie in the cinema when it came out in '04. I was only 12 years old and it really made a impact on my fragile young mind. The guy who played Hitler did it better than anyone before or since him. What a movie
This is a fantastic movie based on eyewitness accounts of the bunker. Hitler probably was suffering from Parkinson’s at the end which explained his wild mood shifts. The scene with his dog Blondie is particularly heart-wrenching. Hitler’s secretary said that the people in the bunker were more distraught over the fate of the German shepherd than over Eva Braun’s suicide!
Hitler was fed with amphetamine at the later part of the war, you can see in some of his speeches he hides his hands. Amphetamine was the cause his hands were shaking.
At the point where Burgdorf tries to stand up and defend the "common soldiers" the subtitles are interupted even before the audio is. He says "I can't accept that you [german verbs come at the end of a sentence to which he didn't get] soldiers who bleed to death for you..." The "bleed to death" or "bleed out" part didn't make it into the subtitles for some reason.
Hello MR Terry the dead german soldier beside the bandwagen his name is Ragnar and was a swedish ss soldier the one who got away is hauptsturmfurer Gösta persson the last swede to enter the furer bunker. Their division name was nordland.
I never seen the film, but I also can't understand/enjoy the downfall meme 'cause I'm a native German & the subtitles of course doesn't work if you speak the language
I'm german too and know the problem ^^ Whenever I watch one of those memes, I just turn the sound of and read the subtitles. That way it still works ;)
The best part of the Downfall parodies is that wherever Hitler is now, his punishment must certainly include being made to know how we have made a laughingstock out of him. For someone as eaten up with pride as he was, few punishments of which we could conceive could top that.
To be honest, no. We still talking about him and that makes him immortal. If we would totally forget about him, that would be the biggest punishment for someone prideful. Besides he stopped to care after he died, dont you think?
many people where just soldiers and never did anything worthy of killing them like that. that is still today a big problem, the german army, navy and airforce where not nazis they where just soldiers. the nazis usually came in after the millitary concered land, and after the real soldiers left the field and citys beyond too fight further.
General Fredrich Fromm on Yodel to Von stauffenberg. ‘ I don’t know what you’re up to but I’d be very appreciative if Jodel didn’t have a seat when the music stops.
I'm not sure if my comment disappeared because I'm fairly certain I made one earlier but The Great War did end up funding that documentary, 16 days in Berlin, and it is available on nebula in multiple episodes!
What do you think of this scene? Does it seem like it would have gone down like this?
I personally think not because downfall is an artists representation of what might have happened during the last days of hitler
And No I paused the video at the start so I did not cheat
I think so because there were a lot of cases about Hitler doing this.
I want to go with you mr. Terry
I don't think that Hitler's delusions in the bunker came at any surprise. After all, he was part of the German military that believed that they were betrayed at the end of WWI. There are too many similarities in the ends of both wars to really expect Hitler to have behaved any differently.
The memes that came from this scene made it legendary, but actually understanding the context from the film just shows the performance Bruno Ganz did when playing as Hitler
Him not getting an Oscar made it visible to me how much of a shitfest the Oscars are. I mean, i like Sean Penn, I don't generally like Bruno Ganz, and I most certainly don't "enjoy" the fault of my grandparents on screen, but Ganz simply nailed one of the mosz difficult rimes in line ever, and should have gotten an Oscar for it (does anycone even remember "Mystic River"?).
He deserved an award
@@kronniichiwa9909 100% agree with you there
I like how the video is 19 minutes and 40 seconds long
@@obsessivecatdisordersquad7577 😀😀😀
One of late 90's sarcastic TV sketches in my country featured a prisoner held in the Gestapo and a Gestapo officer. The officer told him to wash his clothes from blood stains endured during interrogation.
The prisoner: I won't be able to wash this on 40°C
The Gestapo man: That's why we wash on 1940°C😀
man, Bruno Ganz deserved an oscar for that scene by itself. it's sad that he passed away though... such an amazing actor.
Not without merit, _Bruno Ganz_ was bearing the _Iffland-Ring,_ a rather peculiar "award" for the _most important and worthy (male) stage performer of German speaking theater._ It is an actual, diamond-studded iron ring, with the image of actor _August Wilhelm Iffland_ (1759-1814). One of (probably several of) those rings was originally owned by actor _Ludwig Devrient._ His nephew, actor _Emil Devrient,_ inherited the ring, but didn't bequeath it down in the family (likely due to family disputes) but to actor _Theodor Döring_ upon his death in 1872 - at this point, it was not meant as a quasi-institutionalised award. Despite for some reason being transferred from actor to actor, the actual tradition for the current bearer to bequeath it to the one _most worthy_ performer, and with it the award-like character, was likely introduced by actor _Friedrich Haase,_ who included a letter with the supposed legend of the ring and stipulated the method of tranfer in his last will. He died in 1911, and since then this is the formal way this distinction is granted. There is no jury, no selection process or anything - the current bearer literally bequeathes the honor to the person most worthy in his own opinion.
The current bearer since Ganz died in 2019 is German actor _Jens Harzer,_ born 1972.
Interestingly, despite the actual honor to _bear_ the ring is bequeathed by the current bearer by testament, the ring is in fact an _earmarked asset of the Republic of Austria_ since 1954. The Republic of Austria also endowed an equivalent for female actors, the _Alma-Seidler-Ring,_ in 1978, with the exact same tradition of transfer. It is named after actress Alma Seidler, who according to the widow of Iffland-Ring bearer Werner Krauß would have inherited it if the tradition wouldn't disallow women.
I've seen that memed a lot...about 12-13 years ago. My boss at the time sent it to us with the subtitles being on Agile software development being implemented wrong. It's great to have more context like this.
The first ever movie parody I saw on this scene was in about 2007-8 about Hitler freaking out why he moved on to vista and not stayed on XP like Stalin. As I just bought a new laptop with Vista, I deeply felt that video. And I think it's still one of the best ever made. To perfectly understand what went on during these final war meetings, I deeply suggest reading Cornelius Ryan's book "The Last Battle". It coveres this + also the events on the side of the Allies. Great book. I read it just some time before Downfall came, so I can say that this scene is a merger of more together, since obviously they couldn't take all the time of the cinemas to reproduce them 100% accurately.
Lmao mine was “hitler got banned from xbox”
I saw it a lot during Covid about the lockdowns and stuff. It was pretty funny.
One of my faves was about Justin Bieber being number one 😂
The actor for Hitler Here died in 2019
His Name was Bruno Ganz
An immense loss
@@azurehorizon6097best actor i wish he did more ww1,ww2 movies, is there any?
@@cyan4455Not for what I know, but he acted in several German movies.
The eldest of the Goebells children, 12 year old Helga, was found with bruises around her mouth. It was suggested that she woke up and fought against being fed the cyanide by her parents
That's even more heartbreaking than just knowing they killed their own children. Knowing there's a possibility that she fought against them is more terrible than words can convey.
Helga: *peacefully sleeping
Goebells and his wife: So you have chosen...death.
It's also mentioned in some witness accounts that they believed Helga was the only child who had a good understanding of what was happening, and not just at the time of poisoning. That said, Himmler's daughter grew up to be a strong neo-Nazi advocate, so Marta may have done the world a favor, as brutal as that may be.
@@douggetchess4732 never justified to kill a child, so what if they are neo nazi advocate, aint hurting noone, better a nazi than a communist
@@douggetchess4732 yes but the vast majority of the children of children didn’t or even became advocates against neonazism plus she had an older son named Harald who survived the war and lived a quiet and peaceful life.
The hand tremor was something he tried to keep hidden from people around him (why he walked with that hand behind his back often) and it’s speculated that he may have had Parkinson’s, but we can’t know for sure now.
Or the man was demonized to the point of Satan by the Allied
Still remember the Hitler is g*y, hitler have 1 ball nonsense, the whole myths
I hate it, we may never knew which is the truth and which isn't
He lost most use of his left arm, during the "Walkure" assasination attempt.
The resulting painkiller addiction would not have helped his mental balance.
@@MyH3ntaiGirl That's because he was a horrible person with a horrible ideology that resulted in untold death and destruction.
@@dannydevito7000 yes he is an evil man no doubt about it
But it is ok to make up nonsense that could screw up future attempt to study about it so people knew how to learn from the pass
So if it is good to lies about evil person, it is perfectly fine to lies about people who oppose you? Isn't it the exact same way the Nazis came to power? Lies
@@dannydevito7000 i want to know who Hitler really is, like how he becoming such evil, how his behaviour and life style could impact his invention of the deadly ideology
But nonsense like one ball hitler or hitler is gay or f*cking his relatives or what ever make up shit could impact the truth
The actor, Bruno Ganz, believed that Hitler suffered from Parkinson's Disease because of his drug abuse. That's why his hand is constantly shaking in the movie.
I remember seeing a small clip of Hitler greeting some kids outside the bunker (some time before 'Der Untergang' took place). In the clip, one of Hitler's hands were visible shaking.
i believe his hand started shaking after the attempted coup by the wehrmacht attempted to kill him by leaving a bomb with him
He did had Parkinson, it is quiet a detail he added that into the performance
He had something. He would characteristically hide his left hand behind his back. In his increasing paranoia he fired a couple of his personal physicians and might have been in any stage of amphetamine withdrawal.
@@oron61 he didn’t took it according to his medical records. He took Penadren which is testosterone but was often shorten in documents which lead to the confusion with Pervitin(meth).
Hitler's reaction to losing 1 soldier: Anger
Hitler's reaction to losing 10 soldiers: Anger
Hitler's reaction to losing Northern France: Meh
Hitler's reaction to losing Italy: INVADE THEM
Hitler's reaction to losing His Sanity: Insanity
Hitler's reaction to losing battles against the Soviets: We can still win
Hitler's reaction to losing a war: Death
*Argentina
All of this enraged Adolf's father, who punished him severely.
*Alois spanking Adolf.gif*
@@GiordanDiodato oversimplified reference
@@anders9646 No, he really did die, people in the bunker heard the gunshot!
🤣😂😂
Probably my favorite movies about the downfall of Hitler and the Nazi government
Same
The SS had several non-german units, mostly comprised of harsh anti-communists, who thought it was a good idea to join the war on Germans side when Germany invaded Russia.
There were an estimated 500,000 non Germanic soldiers in the Waffen SS
America would have jumped at the opportunity to fight Russia over anything.
@@DAMIENDMILLSCommie USA fought to help Communism, in case you haven't noticed.
It makes sense that they were very loyal to the end because they didn't have a home country to return to.
@@anathardayaldar There's that, and in other cases, or maybe in combination with not having a home to return to, many also hated Communists with a passion.and probably felt that dying fighting communists was a good way to die. And it's not likely they would have been allowed to surrender by the Soviet troops anyway and if they were, they probably would have been shot once they saw that they were Waffen SS.
It's strange to say that as a German. But that was the best Adolf Hitler so far. The film takes me with it. They actually tried to stick to the original as much as possible, through eyewitness reports and diaries.
With "the original" you mean reality? :D
You should never forget the name of the actor who plays Hitler, Bruno Ganz of Switzerland. He was simply the most renown and respected actor of all German speaking countries, and as such wore the famous Iffland ring, always given to the best living German speaking actor. He was as famous and important as Tom Hanks, Ben Kinsley, Robert Redford, Dustin Hoffman are combined for anglophone actors.
Naja jetzt mal im Ernst. He was a good actor and this is his best role, but he wasnt really ever a big Star in germany
Das liegt aber an Dir und deinem kulturellen Level, man sollte schon wissen wer der vorletzte Träger des Iffland-Ringes war - das gehört zur Allgemeinbildung. Die Bedeutung eines Schauspielers liegt halt nicht nur in profanem Kino- und Fernseherfolg, es gibt da noch mehr!
Seems your cultural level is pretty limited or you would just know that he was the bearer of the Ifflandring - stardom is not only measured by profane movie box office success and TV- or streaming series @@lukasb2790
Kein Schwein kennt den und er kommt mir mit der größte deutschsprachige Schauspieler
Ahhhh, Kommentare vom kulturellen Bodensatz.... peinlich Rumschreien das man ungebildet ist.... aber wenn jemand schon Schweine als Umgang hat und als Referenz nennt... 🤣😂🤣 @@BrianEscobar26
He played his role so well even his wife called him my führer, which annoyed him all the time.
The scene has been memed time and time again but on its own I believe downfall is one of the greatest war history films that's ever been made. Every actor played their part brilliantly almost like they were the people they were acting as.
5:00 Its even proved that Soldiers from the Spanish blue Legion took part in the last fights for Berlin and also Scandinavian Waffen SS Units...its insane
To be fair, Franco was pretty aligned in the anti-communism
The last unit to defend Hitler were the French SS Charlemagne division.
@@TrashskillsRS The Blue Division had been disbanded in 1943. Those who wanted to keep on fighting were assigned to the SS Wallonien were known as "Blue Legion".
Denmark is an allied nation but most soilders died in German uniform in the ww2
@@helmutkok7833 Denmark was invaded and annexed but was never really an Allied nation.
The resistance movements are what got in contact with the Allies.
There were recruiting centers for Danes into the Waffen-SS legions and there were even a Danish lead company within the German army that invaded the USSR, they were issued German uniforms yes but had a Danish insignia on it.
One of the leaders of the Danish Armed Forces (and very aligned with nationalistic anti-communism) died near Kharkov and had a full military funeral in Denmark.
Most of the executed resistance members would also get a full honourary parade and burial after the war.
This is awesome timing because I just re-watched Downfall last night! I've resumed German lessons this year to help me study World War history more in-depth.
5:12 Dutch and Luxembourgers were also drafted into the German army and fought and died for the Germans.
8:00 Bruno Ganz played Hitler.
9:17 Miracle weapons: the first Intercontinental missile V2 and the first prototype jet fighters. The V2 was in use; there were only a handful of jets available. Germany had given up testing the atomic bomb because too little material had been used.
10:30 Goebel's wife's first marriage was to a man named Quant. This was the Quant who made a large inheritance and later used it to rebuild BMW.
Around 1990, Hitler's teeth became known to the public. It was hidden in Soviet archives. Hitler had bad teeth and had a complex bridge with artificial teeth installed during his lifetime. This is the only thing left of him.
Hitler's breeding house in Austria was demolished because Nazis gathered there after WW2.
the casting for the scene is awesome too. if you know the german generals of the time well, you recognize them all before they are called by their name
I'm German and to be fair Keitl and Jodl I got, but Krebs and Burgdorf I actually had to google!
@@jayanthony3006 turns out being german alone does not make you an expert, huh?
@@jurgnobs1308 Well yes.......that was the point I tried to make, but thanks for proving my point Quod erat demonstrandum!
The two biggest names of people who were in that room that were tried were Keitel, and Jodl both were executed. Bormann was technically tried and sentenced to death. However it was revealed that he had died prior to the trial.
The movie downfall itself is absolutely amazing one of if not the best history movies ever made in my opinion
History based on interviews given to the red army, I am sure, 100% accurate and truth
What that channel is doing, now under the channel name World War 2 is a "real time" history of that war. Every week a new episode outlines the main events of the week all over the world. Getting the info on the same timeframe is great. You get a real sense of how big and long and relentlessly destructive and murderous it was. Last year covered 1942 and we're now in Jan 1943. They salt it with specials side-videos on various "off-timeline" topics that might focus on particular weapons, or a finer grained minute-by minute walk through a particular event like Pearl Harbor which they'll wedge into the appropriate dates in their timeline.. They're doing a similar one on the D-day landings and I'm not sure if the 16 days of Berlin is still on the docket. Two other parallel special series are part of it. One on spies and espionage called "Spies and Ties" and one on The Holocaust and Axis war crimes of genocide and enslavement called "War Against Humanity". I don't know how they keep up with it frankly.
That’s a great idea!
Actually, the Great War channel is still going strong with new host Jesse and less frequent but more in depth content. 16 Days in Berlin was completed and they're putting out a Frano-Prussian War series right now. WW2 in Real Time is a different enterprise with Indy. They're both worth supporting.
That channel is a great watch. They do a good job over on that channel. Their ww1 was great.
Wait, you saying that WWII Channel did a special episode on Der Untergang?
We need more Commentary from you Mr. Terry on The Great War and really, really really on World War 2 channel! Maybe about the attack on Pearl harbour?
Traudl Junge would join the BBC WW2 documentary "World at War" in 1974, where she was interviewed about the final days in Berlin.
In the early 90's she would write a memoir book and do an interview. An interview in the early 2000's was showcased in the movie Downfall.
Her story is the central part, but they used real footage and accounts of others in Berlin and from the Soviets.
The findings of the children in their beds by the Soviets is how we know they died like that, there is a whole memoir from a nurse who was sent into the bunker after they found the first guys who had shot themselves, and then they open the door to the room to discover... that.
Imagine if Steiner did attack and he pushed all the way back to Moscow
They would have been annihilated by the soviet army
You know, it might be controversial, but i support Steiner's decision to not field the Nazi-Zombie Troopers equipped with the alien death-beams, carrying the Spear of Longinus and the Ark of Covenant. That project just wasn't ready, could have made things worse...
@@DarkenPain don't forget the holy grail which granted them eternal life
@@DarkenPain On top of all that, they had tens of tanks captured from the French in 1940. Tens!
You think that would have worked though?
I think you can assume that Bruno Ganz has researched Hitlers behaviour as much as possibly. And ever gesture and nuance is based on that.
I like the kid that got the knights cross. He survived the war. Escaped with one of those secretary.
Very Interesting Video! I have a few things to add to Joseph Goebbels: So first, they killed their children in the believe, a life without naziism wouldnt be consider a worthfull life. Im from the Hometown of goebbels where he was born. He was also honored citizen here, till the end of the war, then it was removed. Also because it was the homecity of goebbels, it was the reason why the allies bombed the citie to the ground despite having no huge military or industrial traget. My grandmother told me a few storys, she was born in 1928 and got throu hole nazi school system. She always said to me that back then it were other times and school was diffrent, as young boy i just thought like yeah they were prob just more strict back then, boy i had no clue what she probably has gone trjought and still i dont know, i was to young to ask and sadly she passed away before i could adress question i later had when i started understanding and learning things.
I studied in Berlin and lived in the eastern parts of the city. I regularly drove my bicicle through Mahlsdorf and Karlshorst. In my head every time I saw the signs saying Karlshorst or Mahlsdorf all I could think of was this meme and Krebs talking about the situation :D 5:25
As you stated being a history buff I am amazed at the idea that you would contemplate the notion that Hitlers “shaking hands” be nothing more than a dramatic touch, as it’s common knowledge Hitler suffered from Parkinson’s desease. Something visible I. The very last filmed outing Hitler had where, as he pinched the cheek of a Hitler youth, has his hand behind his back which showed the typical “tremors”.
You shouldn't forget, he's still an American,, and Americans are only interested in Americans, and the winners write the story, which doesn't always have to be correct or which was sometimes presented in a very distorted way or a lot was left out.
10:13 Wilhelm Keitel is one who bears specific mention. Behind his back he was called "Lakeitel" which is play on his name and german word "lakai" for "lackey" or "manservant". If I remember right, Hitler one time told to general Gerd Von Runsted (who infact was pretty capable general in himself) that Keitel has an intellect and talents of what you'd expect from movie usher, but he's loyal as dog and that's only reason keep him around. He such a grey spot on other members radar that they barely gave his existence a second thought.
13:40 Alfred Jodl and Wilhelm Keitel were convicted and hanged, thought Jodl was posthumously pardoned....and then had his pardon revoked few years later due to pressure laid from united states.
what happened to Krebs?
@@semiretired86 He committed suicide together with Burgdorf on 2nd of may 1945.
This is why i love this channel because he tells the whole story no matter how wild you get raw history
“Did this ever come to fruition?” as the link sits right in front of his face lol
The movie is based off the testimonials of many people. Each scene will show a radio man, secretary, etc in the background look at the speakers. That character is who that scene is taken from.
And it should put the kibosh on all of those ridiculous rumors that Hitler escaped to South America!
the british chant comes into mind every time i see each one of them in the scene together
“Hitler, has only got one ball!
goering, has two but very small!
himmler, has something similar!
and poor old gobbels has no balls at all” 😂
For anyone who doesn't know, this was sung to the same tune that was whistled by the British P.O.W.'s in "Bridge on the River Kwai".
Awesome, and if we are at it, did they sing funny songs about hiroshima and nagasaki as well?
Ah yeah, Der Undergang is so an iconic movie. Also check the movies Das Boot from 1981 and Die Brücke from 1959. There are many movies I can give you, that tells untold or forgotten stories
P.S. the reason for the hand shaking is due to Parkinson, that was believed to appear after the assassination attempt on Hitler
I wasn't expecting to hear "Himmler-simp" in the entire eternity. And yet here we are 😂
I think the word you were looking for at 4:28 was "sycophants"
I would love to see you react more to the Great War Channel.
So what people din't realize is that Downfall was a great movie and the entire scene was done very well and there's some points I wanna add into it.
The Waffen SS is known to be the elite of most elite troops in the German military system that had even more rigorous acceptance criteria for their ranks against the normal Wehrmacht. Despite initially only having pure Aryan bloodlines being able to be in the Waffen SS, along the way, they found that they needed more and more men to be able to fight their wars effectively and soon, the SS laxed their enrollment system which soon allowed people from other nation to volunteer into the SS divisions. So on top of the famous German divisions like Das Reich, Totenkopf, Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler, SS Hitlerjugend and various other divisions, you'll also see oversea volunteers that formed SS divisions like the SS Wiking, Nord, Wallonien (Belgium), Nederland (Netherlands/Dutch), Huyandi & Hungaria (Hungary obviously), Charlemagne (French), Handschar and Kama (Croatians) and various other divisions comprised of Belorussians, Soviet defectors and Albanians.
Also, the reason why they portrayed Hitler's hands to be shaking so violently was because during the end of the war or in fact early on even as early as 1943, Hitler was diagnosed with Parkinsons and thus his motor functions were down and it was even more prevalent in 1944. The situation did not help either with constant war reports coming back from the east being disastrous and the west being split open now after D-Day on top of the meth he's been downing for the past decades. That's why during the final few months in the Reichsbunker, he was trembling more and more and his hand was shaking ever so violently.
So with that rank Hitler had with the purges and all and how he called his officers incompetent and what-not WAS his true feelings all along.
It isn't unknown knowledge that deep down since the days he got the Chancellor seat and became the furher, he had never liked most of the generals that he had as he had always had a deep seated hatred to the Prussian aristocracy who at that point were almost 90% of the Wehrmacht's general staff. Hitler would often show disdain to them but as he knew that these aristocrats were a thorn on his back, he too, at that point, was smart enough to realize that for his ambitions to work, he needed these jaded and experienced generals to help him pave the way to success and, they did.
Not only that, he was pretty lucky too as these generals, despite not liking Hitler themselves too mostly, needed the job as they've no skills left on the outside world and with the economy at a shambles during the Great Depression, they needed the job and with Hitler needing them, they needed Hitler's leniency for their jobs too so whatever target Hitler points to them, they'll do it but most of them never showed allegiance to the Nazi party nor Hitler himself at all. People like von Rundstedt, Guderian (He did it to only save his skin but he wasn't a hardliner of Nazism), von Bock, von Leeb (Yes... He too wasn't a ardent Nazi supporter but got close to Hitler and starter of Barbarossa itself), von Kluge and many other generals were all not fond of Hitler nor the Nazi party in general but because they needed the job and Hitler needs them, they continued serving.
That being said, Hitler had always been trying to get them off and in 1938, he indeed tried to but many did not get purged fortunately. Also, many of these old-timers actually find Hitler to be rather impeding in their decision makings on the field and one of those big shots that voiced this out constantly was none other than von Manstein during his entire time in the Eastern Front.
Hold up just so you know Estonian, Dutch, and French SS divisions were allowed from the start because they were considered Aryan peoples or Germanic. The Croatians were also considered descdents of Germanic peoples, which the Croatian High Command attempted to argue all the time.
When they became desperate is when they started letting Ukranians, Russians, Italians, Bulgarians, Bohemians, Slovaks, and Indians join. Though Dutch, Northern French, Estonians, Swedes, Norwegians, Danes, Hungarians, and a few other countries were allowed to join before or right when they were occupied. Either because they were considered descdents of Aryan Peoples, or they had large Germanic populations
There was also an American ss dividion
@@eugeneoliveros5814what was its name?
"Himmler simps where you at"
Wait people actually simp for that wimpy looking creepy psychopath?
I mean yeah if we're talking The New Order: Last Days of Europe mod fans.
I'm still mad that Himmler's capitol in that game isn't Wewelsburg...
Wow first time I find one of your video this early.
Very interesting stuff, keep it up !
Well duh, he is ranting that Fegelein hacked his Play Station
I HIGHLY recommend the channel "History Buffs" where they analyze historical movies and point out all thats right and wrong with the depiction of the story and era. gave me a better appreciation for the movies with those historical details
"Himmler Simps"
I'm afraid to ask because I'm afraid I know the answer.
My guess would be he was a good dude. Something along those lines. He was just another bureaucratic rat in the Nazi party.
Wilhelm Keitel was at Nuremberg and got the death sentence, IIRC he was the only one at the main trial to admit some form of guilt, though only in a minor way and he tried the defense many would try "I was just following orders". (Some germans called him "Lakeitel" a play on the work "Lakai" - lackey, because he would always do as told by Hitler and be loyal to the end)
Alfred Jodl also was part of the trial and also got hanged.
The court made it a point to hang those two and refuse the request for a firing squad, as that would have implied some sort of military honor.
Krebs and Burgdorf kílled themselves, just like Goebbels and Bormann tried to break out of the city and disappeared. His remains were found in 1972 during some construction works in Berlin. His dentist identifiying them. It is thought that he commited suicide to avoid capture, as the remains of a glas capsule were found in his mouth.
the refusal of the firing squad ALSO was the reason Göring comitted suicide btw.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Speer also admit guilt, or am I misremembering something?
@@imperatormaximus8952 yea he said "sorry"
@@powersell8589 forgive me, but are you being serious or is this a use of sarcasm? I have a difficult time distinguishing sarcasm and completely serious response.
@@imperatormaximus8952 Speer did admit guilt at Nuremberg. When I first read Speer's memoir, I was naive enough to take his regret at face value. It was only after I saw other commentary - including some of the prosecuters - that I realized it also served to save his neck from the noose. Speer threw everyone else under the bus - especially Sauckel - in order to save himself.
13:29 - The answer to your question: Wilhelm Keitel and Alfred Jodl are the ones who faced trial at Nuremberg.
Rest In Peace, Herr Ganz! The actor who played Hitler in Downfall was Bruno Ganz, who also played in Luther beside Joseph Fiennes as his mentor in the Augustinian Order. Goebbels was a total basket case, but that doesn't diminish the level of crazy that was Hermann Göring or Joseph Mengele
Hi, I am historian and teacher myself, so there are things I might add: the actual downfall and end of the eastern front started when the southern part of the eastern front in Romania broke down, it had been the case that the romanian army though the leadership was sturdy pro german had lost any wish to fight, so the frontlines where overrun and then there was the last pre goverment change pre communist era in romania, this led to the case that a south eastern europe was completely open for the soviets to enter, at the same time within the yugoslavian uprising local communist fighter under the later marshal Tito became so strong they could kick the wehrmacht out of the region. While from Berlin the strict order was do not retreat and fight until the last cartridge - which has become impossible - due to that losses and the quick move of troops from other parts of the eastern front it had destabilised as a hole, this is when the red army gained so much momentum. While the fight in Italy was for most of the time a stalemate - it is a fact that when the d-day occured some elite division, and these much to late had been ordered from east to west, all on reichschancelleries direct orders. Some units only existed by name, or did not have the equipment or tanks left as intent. You correctly mentioned that H. was sourrounded by people who were ass kissers or yesmen some information was actively held back from him, especially losses and negative ones. This led to the situation, that due to lack of or incorrect informations ghost-armies and divisions where ordered to move - some of them decimated to only some hundred or even a handful of soldiers, others overrun and captured. H. knew basically that this was the case, at least he was suspicious of that. Outboursts in anger, and probably caused by desparation as well - were the logical reaction. As when someone tells that whole divisions or battlegroups are not able to fight anymore. H. considered many high ranking officers as defetists and incapable as well. But lastly the commanders in the east were confronted with 1-2 million german and pro german civilians which were refugees by this time - some tried to hold position rather than to retreat to hold open the roads for them - roads that were full of civillians heading west. The remaining troops at the eastern front by then where thinned out so much that when the red army made it's breakthrough in the north the german eastern front was split in half, where the northern part formed the so called kurland kessel - also to keep open the way for civilians over the kurische Nehrung a chain of coastal islands, then the prussian coast, nowadays poland to the west as well. Something under to loss of a lot of lives acutally worked. Nontheless hundreds of thousands of civilians got overrun and caught in the frontlines until overrun. The time the movie is set, the situation was already out of Berlins hands. The last serious attempt to stop the soviets was the battle of the Oder-Warthe Front, weeks before - where the soviets mostly won the battle to extensive usage of artillery, both self propelled and static, then attacking wwI style in human waves - this ultimately breaking the german defense lines. Some high ranking germans only saw a chance of a capitulation to the western powers, USA and Great Britain, (france as recently conquered was not considered by any means by german diplomacy then). This of course was refused. (even on the German side. - as defetism - and due to the ongoing propaganda for ultimate victory). This is the wider scale setting of the scene. Even though one could see a military breakdown and full defeat - there was a hope in germany of a political splitting - within the Allies - the theoretical (and unrealistic) plan was then to open the western front, move alll remaining troops to the east and with the western allies fight communism to the end. Ultimately when Berlin was taken the last german goverment under Grand Admiral Dönitz was based in Northwestern Coastal Town Flensburg, at wars end within the british sector until it's members were formally taken into Allied custody and imprisoned. One thing about H. personality was that he despised officers even he created and promoted countless - and even more after the Stauffenberg conspiration, also known as operation Walküre, where a big number of high ranking officers were included, and even more in silent agreement - a reason to feel sorrounded literally by "traitors" - H. was out of his WWI experience always siding with simple soldiers. - One other effect this is why H. strictly forbade the usage of gas shells and gas warfare - though the germans held thousands of tons ready for use - Only imagine if it had been used in coastal defense at d-day it would have been devastating, and not even in the last ditch defense of berlin itself! There are always many more aspects as one might think at first.
I watched Downfall in full for the first time after seeing this scene many times. I did not expect the scene to be more towards the beginning of the film instead of the end. Hitler in the scene coming to the realization that WWII was lost on their end heavily implied to me that it was one of the movie's last scenes so I was shocked to see it very early on.
Well done, the context, letting people know who was who, and more.
6:53 meanwhile the 12th says "umm no" grabs the remnants of the 9th and makes a beeline for the Elbe. Reference sabaton's song hearts of iron.
A song so good, Paradox made a game out of it.
The downfall of ruling by fear and surrounded by yes man.
Good point
As I understood it the nazi officials did it as a mercy to their children fearing the wrath of the red army which had a... reputation
"if you break your legs its hard to cook orangutan" xD
Regarding Goebbels, one of my favorite scenes in this movie is where Hitler is eating dinner with Generalfeldmarschall Robert Ritter von Greim and tells him that he is now in charge of the Luftwaffe and starts blowing smoke about the available aircraft, manpower, and capabilities. Von Greim is amazed at all this news thinking that they didn't have the resources available. The whole time Goebbels is sitting between the Hitler and Von Greim and you can just look at his face as he is trying to agree with the propaganda but he really knows that it's nowhere near as rosy of a situation as Hitler explains it to be.
3:40 Adding to that, there's two scenes that are worth mentioning. The 'Wenck wird kommen' scene, when Hitler is talking Unsinn again and Krebs and Weidling exchange glances of disbelief, and a scene about an attaché being enthusiastic about the V2 rockets turning the tide of the war, and Krebs or Keitel (both appeared there) replying that he couldn't talk on the matter due to it being top secret (actually to avoid saying that they were pretty much f'd at that point).
The reason why Hitler was raging and twitching was that he was loaded to the gills by his doctor feelgood.
The main Nuremberg trial that we usually think of had as defendants: Robert Ley (suicided before the start of trial), Gustav Krupp von Bohlen und Halbach (excused due to physical and mental incapacity), Hjalmar Schacht (acquitted), Franz von Papen (acquitted), Hans Fritzsche (acquitted), Karl Dönitz (10 yrs), Baldur von Schirach (20 yrs), Albert Speer* (20 yrs), Konstantin von Neurath (20 yrs, released early for health), Rudolf Hess (life), Walther Funk (life, released for health), Erich Raeder (life, released for health), Hans Frank, Wilhelm Frick, Julius Streicher, Alfred Rosenberg, Ernst Kaltenbrunner, Joachim von Ribbentrop, Fritz Sauckel, Alfred Jodl*, Wilhelm Keitel*, and Arthur Seyss-Inquart (all hanged October 16, 1946), and Hermann Göring* (suicided under sentence of hanging).
*Portrayed, if I remember correctly, in "Downfall".
Of the people in the room, Bormann killed himself, though he was sentenced to death in absentia at Nuremburg, his remains were found in 1972. Krebs killed himself as well and Jodl and Keitel were both sentenced to death at Nuremburg.
This one scene has been rendered ICONIC because of the internet "meme factory." Almost nobody would be at all aware that this movie ever happened in the first place, without RUclips, and others like it, taking this one "Hitler Rant Scene," and twisting the words to fit whatever commentary they wanted to fit.
Do you know that the actor who played goebles also plays a german preacher who save jewish people from the concentration camp in another movie?
Title: What was Hitler talking about
Me, a German speaker: 😎
Among others, my grandfather age 15 at the time was also send back by a commander stating that he will not be fighting with kids. Not in Berlin though but could have saved his life.
Yes you are correct. This movie is based on Traudl Junge's perspective. I watched full movie. At the begining of the movie you can see interview with old Traudl Junge (she died in 2002 RIP)
You make a good point about Hitler's ranting and raving, showing no sense of accountability . Prior to the war he blames the Jewish people, and at the end he blames his own Generals and advisors.
good that i didnt need the subtitles
great vid! now i'm going to let it loop to get that view count up :)
No need to do that, but thanks for the support!
My gosh, the actors and actresses bear a very striking resemblance to the real people.
So much simplification to details and information. I could've spent those minutes somewhere else.
You should have added 5 seconds to the movie so the length of the film would be 19:45 :)
I'm curious what happened to the civilians inside the bunker?
“We trade one villain for another.” Had to use a halo quote but if you think about it we did defeat the Nazis just to have the Soviets take control and the technology of the Germans. Sad.
Looks you don’t know about operation paper clip, which was a scramble from the US to get as many scientists and pieces of technology from Nazi germany after ww2.
@@edgynuke5007 You do realize both the Allies and communist Russia or USSR did that right, both not just the U.S. which turned Russia into an even more powerful threat that Germany.
@@bobafett1313 your comment implies that ONLY the Soviet Union took control of technology of the Germans. Both the US and USSR did. In fact the US was more of a threat to the USSR than the reverse since the US got most of the senior and experienced scientists that Nazi Germany had and the USSR got the leftovers.
@@edgynuke5007 Thank God we did get most of the scientists, listen I could care less what affiliation your with. If your pro communism good for you I don’t really care. My original comment still stands. My original comment I will admit wasn’t the way I wanted it to be I see a grammar issue in it and it’s 2 months old so I won’t fix it but my comment wasn’t wrong yes the U.S. took technology same as the Russians but my comment is true the Russians became a much graver threat to the Allies than the Nazis were. You can hate on America all you want for getting the scientists, (which the USSR also got scientists too you have to remember Germany was split in half between communism and capitalism) but they didn’t just get scraps. How do you think they grew in power so quickly after WW2 it wasn’t because of Russian scientists or leadership.
@@bobafett1313 All I’m saying is don’t criticize one side for doing something that the other side also did to a much greater extent than the side you’re criticizing. It’s like criticizing the US for nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki while conveniently forgetting what the Japanese were doing in China or Korea.
I saw this movie in the cinema when it came out in '04. I was only 12 years old and it really made a impact on my fragile young mind. The guy who played Hitler did it better than anyone before or since him. What a movie
This is a fantastic movie based on eyewitness accounts of the bunker. Hitler probably was suffering from Parkinson’s at the end which explained his wild mood shifts. The scene with his dog Blondie is particularly heart-wrenching. Hitler’s secretary said that the people in the bunker were more distraught over the fate of the German shepherd than over Eva Braun’s suicide!
Hitler was fed with amphetamine at the later part of the war, you can see in some of his speeches he hides his hands. Amphetamine was the cause his hands were shaking.
I was the one who told you in the watch party and I'm happy to remind you. Yep! The movie was based off Junge's memoirs
She appears in real life at the start and end of the film as well….
Interesting that the Steiner Army sign is exactly at the point on the map where I live.
At the point where Burgdorf tries to stand up and defend the "common soldiers" the subtitles are interupted even before the audio is. He says "I can't accept that you [german verbs come at the end of a sentence to which he didn't get] soldiers who bleed to death for you..."
The "bleed to death" or "bleed out" part didn't make it into the subtitles for some reason.
16 days in Berlin was created and it is a really good series
Are you sure he's not angry because somebody stole his car?
The more the war progressed the more insane Hitler became,
16 days in berlin has was completed and is available on Real Time history's shop, a steaming pass is 20 euros
it's also on nebula
still waiting for steiners counter attack
It shall relieve the city!
That’ll turn the war!
The goebbels hat actually no choice. What do u thing would have happen if the bunker opens and the russians found them alive?
surprised you didn't know about his hand, I thought that was common knowledge.
Hitler was played by Bruno Ganz.
RIP Mr. Ganz.
This scene was also accurately portrayed in "War and Rememberance".
Idk what I'd do without my history nerd RUclips fix
The actor playing Hitler is Bruno Ganz
Hello MR Terry the dead german soldier beside the bandwagen his name is Ragnar and was a swedish ss soldier the one who got away is hauptsturmfurer Gösta persson the last swede to enter the furer bunker. Their division name was nordland.
I never seen the film, but I also can't understand/enjoy the downfall meme 'cause I'm a native German & the subtitles of course doesn't work if you speak the language
I'm german too and know the problem ^^ Whenever I watch one of those memes, I just turn the sound of and read the subtitles. That way it still works ;)
The best part of the Downfall parodies is that wherever Hitler is now, his punishment must certainly include being made to know how we have made a laughingstock out of him. For someone as eaten up with pride as he was, few punishments of which we could conceive could top that.
To be honest, no. We still talking about him and that makes him immortal. If we would totally forget about him, that would be the biggest punishment for someone prideful. Besides he stopped to care after he died, dont you think?
I was just thinking about this last night before I went to sleep. Excited to finally have an answer.
Its nice when you are german and can understand german while the others have to read subtitles or watch a video
Jodl receiving the Death Penalty is often considered to be too harsh, him being more of a military strategist.
many people where just soldiers and never did anything worthy of killing them like that.
that is still today a big problem, the german army, navy and airforce where not nazis they where just soldiers.
the nazis usually came in after the millitary concered land, and after the real soldiers left the field and citys beyond too fight further.
RIP Bruno Ganz. You played Hitler better than the great Sir Anthony Hopkins.
Goebbels was a monster. Every bit as evil as Mengele.
I suspected by the way he pronounced "process", and looked it up to confirm that The Great War is a Canadian channel.
The world war two channel has a 24hr pearl harbor special. It is really interesting. You have to do more reactions to their specials.
General Fredrich Fromm on Yodel to Von stauffenberg. ‘ I don’t know what you’re up to but I’d be very appreciative if Jodel didn’t have a seat when the music stops.
Bruno Ganz really brought one of the most vile men to life. if that isn't amazing work, idk what is
I'm not sure if my comment disappeared because I'm fairly certain I made one earlier but The Great War did end up funding that documentary, 16 days in Berlin, and it is available on nebula in multiple episodes!