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Kevin showed up to a battle of wits completely unarmed.
Battle of wits with an atheist😂.
Atheists are people who don't have the ability or willingness to accept God.
But the vast majority of them like Max don't even believe the origins of Life came into existence without God.
So they want you to convince them that God exists something they don't have the willingness or ability to accept and at the same time they don't actually believe the origins of Life came into existence without God LOL that's not a debate that's not an argument that's ridiculous.
He was armed, he just tripped over his own sword, and then got crushed by his horse
Kevin wasn’t concerned with responding to the hosts because he believed that the Holy Spirit would imbue his words with magical mind-control powers. We see it all the time in this very comments section.
Sorry, not processing your words over the chorus of a host of angels I delude myself into hearing every time I think or hear about JESUS.
Mental matt and demented dave and tricky ricky should go on an atheist comedy tour for fools! Holy bible and dean odles biblical flat earth presentation destroys atheist beliefs and globe beliefs! Time to get a new gig atheists! Jesus saves sinners! God made you! Use the brain God gave you!
@@gottfriedosterbach3907
They're singing "La la la I can't hear you" right?
@@starfishsystems
You notice how Kevin's mind works. When the 2 hosts brought up logical, reasoned arguments instead of Kevin processing them and responding to them he just went on to the next point. Kevin lives in his little world and his tiny, pea brain only allows thoughts to register if they serve his emotional needs. Doesn't matter about truth and objectivity.
I love the way JMike can so easily and readily cut through the mess and the junk with which callers' so often present the hosts.
There's no point in soft-soaping the message ... that apostrophe is wrong, it should not be there, and you have no logical basis on which to justify it. You're merely indicating a plurality of callers, not referring to some instance of the callers' possessions. In that case, the apostrophe _is_ needed to distinguish between a singularity and a plurality of callers, which cannot be done by the 's' alone. In other words the apostrophe is not used for the genitive case, but it is needed to clarify plurality in the possesive case. I.e., The caller's views revealed his ignorance Vs The callers' views were indicative of systemic failures in the American public education system. Capisco? See, I'm not saying anything controversial here, it's just a goddamn empirical fact. Do you know what empirical facts are? Because you're wrong! _That_ is an empirical fact.
So, I need you to go away, look deep inside yourself, and THINK about what I've told you; and I don't want to see you again, unless and until you are able to acknowledge that I am 100% correct, and you have learnt a valuable lesson through being humiliated by me in this way, for the entertainment of onlookers.
So shut, I said SHUT UP! I'm ending this call now, so that I can receive the applause of my audience. Good bye.
@@Ozymandi_as Wtaf, pal? So, OK, you're right, the apostrophe is incorrect. And, thank you for pointing it out. But it doesn't require such an aggressive explanation. Nor does it require so many paragraphs - I understand proper uses. It was an error on my part. I don't remember ever claiming my comments would be perfect. I suppose you've never made a grammatical error, even once, online? (I suspect that I changed the sentence structure and then forgot to delete the apostrophe - it happens, online especially. I wouldn't submit an academic paper with such an error, because I proofread papers, but I don't exhaustively proofread online YT comments.
Or, did someone just step on your foot? I seriously don't get your tone. Am I missing something?
Sure hope your fans are applauding you. Good job.
Whoops. I forgot to close my paren. Shall I expect another rant?
The caller starts off with: "I kinda think I have uh answers to, like, for example, whether or not you can tell whether someone is uh trying to expound the revelations of God or not. . . " This is the linguistic genius whose going to upend two thousand years of no evidence.
And once again it comes down to feelings and the bible
This has to be some form of demencia. Im actually concerned about this guy
You know the conversation is going downhill when you ask a theist to support a baseless assertion and the only way he can respond is to offer ANOTHER baseless assertion. A perfect example of how magical thinking derails logical thought.
I have complete knowledge of the bible, but I have no clue on how to produce a coherent conversation in proof of it.
Deep ignorance is never better than knowledge.
That depends, knowledge of imminent and certain death could be worse than ignorance of it.
@@AndrewLakeUK If death is both imminent and certain, there would seem to be little benefit to knowing about it.
God punished Adam and Eve, and all of their descendants, and all of mankind, because they ate the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. So, apparently, God did not want mankind to know good from bad, right from wrong. So, why do you look to that God for your morality? How can you “learn” morality from someone who didn’t want you to know right from wrong? (and was a pi$$-poor example of morality himself?)
And to punish someone AND their descendants for something they have no concept of. Adam and Eve didn't know what right and wrong was.
And they are the same people that way god wrote down the code of morality in your heart... Did they read the bible?
@@d_camaraOr ever looked at a heart? 😂
Put the bong down Kevin 😂😂
don't blame drugs! i take massive amounts of LSD, shrooms, and smoke a wheelbarrow of pot , every month. I'm not a theist. If anything; those drugs make theism seem soooo fucking sick. Seriously. When I take psychedelics I can't even watch these videos or the news, the rampant egotism is unbearable. Theists are raging egomaniacs who think they are 'in the know' and are in contact with the maker of all things. Pot makes the ego look ugly. Psychedelics , even moreso . hell, don't even blame METH. i abused meth for four years, in the 90s. i was never a christian or a theist during that time. sure, i had some wild delusions, but jesus wasn't one of them. jesus seemed absurd compared to my meth delusions. i hope this helps. don't blame the drugs.
And go easy on the diazepam...
Kevin sounds like the HAL9000, after about half of his circuit boards have been pulled.
The Wisdom of Chopra is strong with this one.
The only thing missing is his rendition of "On a Bicycle Built for Two".
I wish, I do SO wish, the show's call screeners could administer a roadside sobriety test and immediately disqualify people who are staggeringly baked off the marijuana. It would have saved everyone from having to sit through Kevin's Cavalcade of Garbage.
If the average Christian was asked to produce an identity-kit image of Jesus, they'd end up with a picture of JMIKE.
With blonde hair and blue eyes no less. Also, he would be absolutely ripped.
Kevin is proof of the damage religion can cause. He was confused because Matt was asking him questions that required going past blind faith. He was a blind man walking in a minefield.
Congratulations, Kevin, you are today's winner of the Platitudinous Wankery Award!
Well...This was from 2021.
He can win twice. The rules clearly state this😁
He does not even know what evidence is. Does not even ATTEMPT a definition.
That means ALL he has regarding information is what his churchfathers tell him.
Maybe he dares a rest of own thinking for his work and his family, his hobby (watching sports?) and maybe about other people - about what how they are, NEVER about the topics that they talk about.
"Maybe if I talk slowly, my points will be effective."
Still, I think it's better than the callers who think if they read from a script at 200 words per minute it will make their "points" effective.
He's hoping to put Matt and JMike to sleep, that way he can make his points without any rebuttals.
I just wish shows like talking in an atheist experience would have hosts that believed the origins of Life came into existence without God this way there could be some kind of argument. Here you have atheist host who don't have the willingness or ability to accept God but at the same time they don't actually believe the origins of Life came into existence without God does it make for a good debate.
@@HumanismIsSatanic-rt1gu I need a little bit of clarification before I attempt to respond to the bulk of your comment. I want to make sure I'm not responding to some thing you didn't mean. Are you asking for the host to make a positive assertion that "the origins of life came into existence without God"? Alternatively is "I am not convinced that the origins of life came into existence by a god?" good enough? (sidenote, I don't like the structure of those sentences. I think that you can cut out "the origin of" and the sentence makes more sense.)
I ask because the first one is a positive claim that requires evidence to support it. The second is a rejection of a claim (usually due to lack of evidence). most of the hosts on the ACA shows will carefully reject claims without necessarily taking the opposite claim. This is the intellectually honest position to take if you do not see that there is sufficient evidence to support a particular claim. One does not need to take the opposite claim to point out the problems with a particular claim. For example, I do not believe that the Loch Ness monster exists. I am not asserting that it definitely does not exist, but rather I am stating that I am not convinced that it does. Those are not the same thing.
Anyway, I hope that makes my comment makes sense. Let me know what you think and I'll be glad to continue the conversation if you are interested .
@@HumanismIsSatanic-rt1gu
It could just as easily be argued, "Here you have atheist host who don't have the willingness or ability to accept Tinkerbell."
Neither willingness nor ability is part of the equation. Atheists do not accept belief in anything they don't have any evidence to believe in.
*"they don't actually believe the origins of Life came into existence without God"*
I've never heard an atheist say this. Since an atheist does not believe in god, why would they believe life couldn't have come into existence without god?
So many of these theist callers' minds are trapped in this dogmatic, uncritical way of thinking.
it stems from egotism, attachment to personal narratives, narcissism. it's the disease of our times. it's why we have evangelicals and maga
Religion is mankind’s greatest con.
I bet a million dollars, that this caller thought, before calling: "I like hearing my voice, I'm awesome, and I'm gonna show the Internet how wise I am" Y quedó como palo de gallinero: TODO CAGADO!!!😂😂😂
Call m a skeptic but I tend to look for evidence in the real world too.
Imagine if you believed everyone and everything at face value.. even a normal 3yo has some level of critical thinking..
I was raised catholic. (There was an attempt) They got mad when I asked reasonable questions. I'm 60 now and over my life I've had so many conversations with people of all different faiths and I've come to conclude they are all cults. The only difference between cult and religion is the number of followers. As a consequence I've also become anti-religious as I'm completely exhausted seeing all the harm to society in general because of the BS. More people have been killed in the name of some stupid 'god' than ALL OTHER reasons combined. Until we set aside the stupidity of religion, we will not be able to move forward as a species.
Perfectly put. I feel the same about this shit. And I am a lifelong atheist.
@@EllasPOSEiDON All religions begin as cults - and just can't seem to shake it off.
I can't understand why people can't see it as the mythology it is. They can see the mythology in all other religions except their own.
@@defenestratefalsehoods All of them has a special place in their little heart, special pleading. 😀 Its funny and childish amd scary too at the same time.
I believe that "god" arose from the need to answer the three biggie questions:
1) Where did we come from ?
2) What is our purpose ?
3) What happens to us when we die ?
I was also raised a catholic and as a kid in church, I couldn't wrap my mind around what all this was. How come none of these gods ever come around anymore. These miracle things seem really cool, but they just don't happen anymore. Huh? And all I ever got in return was that my faith needed strengthening. The problem was me?? All my sins are forgiven, but wait, don't ever sin again !!!! Huh?? This god who loves me is also wiling to toss me into a burning inferno for all of eternity, but he loves me ???? Huh ?
Gawd loves the ignorant. 😂
Only because it makes him look powerful!
Atheism is the ultimate position of ignorance it's the complete opposite of the scientific approach. It's a disbelief it's an unwillingness or inability to accept God.
It's the default position simply because it's the position of ignorance and it's ignorance is due to its unwillingness or inability to accept God.
It's very hard to debate ignorant host who don't have the ability or willingness to accept God but at the same time they don't actually believe the origins of Life came into existence without God😂.
Atheism without a doubt causes ignorance just look at the people living under atheistic humanist North Korea 3 inches shorter than the genetic counterpart in South Korea due to malnourishment. Look what it did to The atheist East Germans compared to the Christian West Germans they had a 15-point lower IQ on average and remember I'm talking about people who are genetically sing the only difference is between these people are some believe in God and the others are atheists.
Kevin doesn't think he needs to look for evidence. All he has to do is open his bible to find any answer he needs
I have complete knowledge that Kevin doesn’t know what he’s talking about does that mean I have to know everything?
Christianity lost its best argument when it lost the power to condemn people to be burned at the stake for not believing.
Kevin just re-emphasised this .
Love to know what Kevin thought he would get out of this call
Drink as much Kool-Aid as you want, "But of the tree of knowledge...thou shalt not eat".
Mental health condition,,,,, ye, let's go with that one! 🤣
Another Book worshiper. That's idolatry but hey... you gotta worship something and there's this book. I'm a golden calf man myself.
I would prefer a golden cow which could give golden milk regularly.
I'm a golden butt man myself, but calfs are fine I guess. Not as much fun to spank at a butt.
Kevin's just a pothead! With apologies to potheads! 🤣
My first take is that this dude is high as fuck, and for some reason Matt and JMike doesn't adress that at all.
There is no level of high you can achieve with any drug, real or supernatural, that is a viable excuse for that level of stupidity. Besides, if you’re not gonna let them talk to you when they’re off their meds, you have to let them on when they’re on them, it’s only fair.
Caller sounds like he's either half-asleep or on drugs. Great advertisement for religion.
AKA: Zeno, long time caller, zero time listener.
Thanks!
I believe we've just witnessed the coronation of the King of Deepities.
Royal Motto: "If it sounds good it must be meaningful and people will think I know what I'm talking about."
I appreciate Matt's patience on this call. It seemed clear that this guy didn't have any malicious intent. It didn't seem like he was intentionally lying either. I don't want to make assumptions about the caller, but it seemed like he was on something or maybe haI don't want to make assumptions about the caller, but It was clear he wasn't able to answer the questions or engage in dialogue.
Never underestimate the ability of callers to mistake their opinions for facts.
Had one that seemed a bit odd to me after wanting proof for god. He went on abut belief not being proof etc, even, the way I saw it, water freezes so, therefor god type point.
Isn't it amazing why so many people believe in what is a man-made concept in the first place ?
caller is in no position to carry a meaningful conversation.
What is the mechanism that Religious people have that they can't even seem to hear logical questions when asked!? They ALWAYS just meander into some crap that's nowhere near the damn question! ..Honastly,are they even aware that they're doing it!?
It's gotta be like some kind of mental block that just forces 'em to shut down..
I always found this pretty baffling.
Kevin sounds like he's been hitting the bottle.
I found out years ago that debating believers isn't worth the effort....
Same. I have to admire these guys for trying to get through to them, though.. someone should try to wake them up.. my patience is very thin as is..
It's like playing chess with a pig.
Like arguing with the neighbors dog.
@@leglessinoz Or looking for a hamburger in an out-house.
Because they are already "believers"
You realize this caller might as well been speaking a completely different language than you guys right?
after YEARS of taking these calls...yes they realize that
Yes, the language of religious psychobabble that only makes sense to people who already believe in it
What does that even mean?
It means that the parties involved failed to connect and convey on an equivalent level.
@@gottfriedosterbach3907 not because they were speaking different languages. The hosts attempted to clarify definitions and concepts multiple times.
That may be a quote from Plato’s Dialogues but, as most of those characters are there to be refuted, one must take care quoting from them.
In MMA, I think it was Nick Diaz that said: Everyone has a game plan until they get punched in the face.... seemed appropriate here 😮
The Bible is a collection of written human thought by authors who did not agree.
2:00 I have complete knowledge of play-doh. I've build every set at least twice
Best PSA against drug use that I've ever seen.
I can't stand how Christians demand someone criticizing the Bible to have tons of knowledge, time and effort involved. But, when it comes to someone believing all their nonsense the amounts of those go to zero. How convenient.
Yeah, the caller says something like "have you READ the Bible..?" Then the hosts say "Yes. Have you?" and there's always an awkward pause..! They should know better by now.
Which version of the bible considering in the english language alone there's around 500 versions of it?
Another one of these guys with the six magic words. The Holy Spirit Revealed To Me.
I recommend watching at x1.5 speed.
This is what happens when your home schooled in the basement
Why is it so difficult for callers to understand when the hosts ask for independant evidence. Meaning they want evidence for the claims made in the bible that is not any scripture written from the bible.
For the very reason we demand evidence is for a way to determine that anything that was written in any book is factually correct. Otherwise, anyone could pick up any book or text and claim its factually correct.
Kevin got lost on the way to the call
The universe makes sense to me. It's beautiful. It's full of grandeur. It's home to this awesome, beautiful blue planet. Our Earthly home is full of eats, treats, chefs, gourmet meals, adventures, excitement, vocations, vacations, cars, planes, trains, people, beaches, swimming pools, diving exhibitions, tennis courts, basketball courts, football fields, boxing rings, fashion shows, beauty pageants, museums, libraries, movie theaters, circuses, trapeze artists, trampoline artists, lion tamers, galloping horses, nature walks, bird sanctuaries, safaris, big game hunting, whale watching. There's more to do and see on Earth than one can experience in a lifetime. Think how much more is in store for us as we have unlimited experiences, and endless happiness, in the life to come.
This sounds kinda like, if you believe the Bible is true, the Bible is true, so read it like it’s true and it becomes true.
I suspect a troll. It always baffles me how theist callers, many who claim they have been listening to the show for years, come completely unprepared, unable or unwilling to engage with the hosts in the way they ask, which is having an honest back and forth conversation and answering questions. This seems pretty simple to me.
H: “Please provide independent attestation to what’s in the bible.”
C: “There are philosophical points…”
H: “How about a cream cake smashed on your face?”
C: “Yes, that’ll do. It may wake me up from my doze. Thank you.”
I think it funny that Jmike looks like JC.
Shhhhh don't let them know he's returned
The more you know, the less you need magical sky daddy as an explanation. If church got its way, the bible would become the only book in school..
No it wouldn't. For centuries reading the Bible was forbidden to lay people. To fill this void Church released various prayer books - and you can bet your behind none of them contained really juicy bits present in the Bible. Reformation changed that, but officially Bible was a forbidden book well into XIX century.
Time for a bong rip!!
2:40
Is it just me or Kevin tired of his own voice? I can't blame him. It's really tiring
Some people fall asleep when they listen to themselves talking. Kevin is one of those people.
3:06
In nature, there have been frogs that gave birth through their mouths!! The gastric-brooding frogs of the genus Rheobatrachus, specifically Rheobatrachus silus and Rheobatrachus vitellinus, had a unique reproductive method where the female swallowed her fertilized eggs. The eggs hatched as tadpoles in her stomach and grew until they became full-size frogs-and then the mother regurgitated them. These frogs went extinct in the 1980s, but scientists are attempting to bring them back to life using a method of cloning called somatic cell nuclear transfer. Who doesn’t love the idea of mouth-birthing Frankenstein frogs?
If you know that the more you know the more you know you don't know, then wouldn't knowing everything mean you know nothing? Don't cha know?
Remember…this guy can vote
Ive personally listened to and seen Jesus.
And his psudo name is Jmike.
He smoked some amazing weed and is a lightweight
Former Missionary Baptist here. Or maybe I was never a real one.
The dangers of drug abuse 🙄
nope. i did a wheelbarrow full of meth in the 90s. i was never a theist, or an apologist. I've taken over 3000 hits of acid in my life, and a house-full of shrooms. Hell, I took a giant dose, the other day, and lost touch with time and space. I'm an anti-theist, especially when it comes to Christianity. I smoke over an 8th of pot today. I still think Christianity is evil, offensively stupid and emotionally immature. Maybe Kevin does Flakka, though. Bath Salts.
If you can’t convey the information you know, you probably don’t know enough.
Kevin is a prime example of the brain rot religion causes. Matt and JMike: "Don't go back to the bible" Kevin: "Well the bible shows..." Ad Nauseum
To the caller is super confused, lol, but to be fair, there are now kind of two very distinct definitions of empirical. It's not just about observable, testable evidence that can be attested by a second, independent source, but this word has been used a lot to mean "based on your own life experiences", rather than "based on testable experiments". That's a shame, because people think that their dreams and feelings and thoughts are empirical in the original sense...
He has knowledge of a book that's not even a good read, the plot is all over the place and the ending is just gibberish. Give me another fiction book like dune, that shit is real😂
Ramlin Rose, Why you ramble noone knows...... Let's do some word problems. A train leaves Mars at 5:23 am local time and falls into a volcano in hawaii. what was the engineer's name?
And his wife's name...
@@jagarman7048 Let's say you're a Martian train hustler heheeh
I remember Kevin, and Kevin really is extremely lost and has no idea what he's ever talking about.
Am sure people ring in to make a complete fool of themselves 😏
Kev, if you sleeping, please wake up.
Sometimes reading a really engaging novel is "better" than remembering that you've only got a few weeks to live.
That is, it FEELS better. That's not the same as it IS better. Maybe you have dependents whose care you will only have time to arrange if you put down the novel.
Wouldn't that be BETTER? Or are your feelings more important than them, than reality?
It's a simple question. Why work so hard to avoid it?
Wow this is what it looks like to be blinded by faith feelings.
This is Carlton your doorman. Er... I mean Kevin.
Drugs!
I myself found one good use for the bible; as a paper weight.
That is a disgrace. How dare you use this book for such mundane tasks.
I use it to support a Wardrobe that was slightly leaning to the left
I'd respectfully suggest that it's MUCH more useful as toilet paper.
Though I do admit that it does eventually get all used up,.
But as I stay in hotels a lot for my work, I get a new free one every time I stay.
So, win, win. Lol😂.
@@dancedecker Nah, the papers is usually much to hard and does not realy clean very well...
@@RoninTF2011 I'll admit it's not ideal, but what do expect when you get over 1000 sheets for free? Lol.
On a scale of 10 to 10 how high is this guy right now? He sounds, like, really far out maaaann.
A lot of passive-aggressiveness in this caller.
Not sure if Kevin is drunk, "on something" or depressed. He's not capable of having a conversation on this topic, anyway..
Its painful to listen to the callers. They just don't understand why a feeling about something is not proof of anything. I'm not sure why they even call in.
I think it's possible for someone to completely memorize the bible. If that means they have "complete knowledge" of the bible who's to say?
God loved the world so much that he sent a book. Weird, huh ?
Wow. Kevin speaks as if he picks words at random, or jumps between different train of thoughts, without completing a single one.
Moistkritical doin side quests for the betterment of humanity
the time has come to doubt
about the holy verse
it is just a weak reflection
of our endless universe
8 minutes in and already three breaks for commercials. Very irritating.
I wonder how this works because I’m 18 minutes in and got 2 commercial breaks but in other videos I’ve gotten what had happened to you.
Keven doesn't know how to think. 12 years of American School.
This is Xeno right?
Not nearly animated and confrontational enough to be him
I'm pretty sure Kevin is drunk.
He is stoned
I'm so not interested in anyone's bong rip philosophy and "deep thoughts" on the meaning of life and the universe.